Pringles Can Casket, Kelly Clarkson Zapruder Film 10.15.26

0:05 You know how I used to say if you leave the open passion fruit and make your car smell like new car smell? Beach Plum is the new?

0:10 Beach Plum also does that. It's the new meta.

0:12 Beach Plum is great, but my question is, is that, do plums grow on the beach or is this just a pun?

0:19 It's a pun based on Beach Plum.

0:22 It's a plun. Beach Plum, yeah.

0:24 That took me a long time to figure out.

0:26 But then it also sounds like peach plum.

0:28 Or oranges, peach, pear, plum, syringes. That's what goes through my head every time is the Eminem lyric. Oranges, peach, pear, plum, syringes.

0:37 Here I come. Bing, bing, viking in.

0:39 Bing, bing, bing.

0:41 Which one is that?

0:42 I have no idea. I just have random scraps of rap lyrics in my head.

0:47 I can't wait till we're fucking senile, dude. There's like, it's like the new, I don't know if this feels like the new meme form. A lot of millennials are posting where they're like me when I'm 80 and dementia ridden. And they're just like, dear Sam, dear Sammy, Ronnie was kissing girls. I'm like doing like the letter from Jersey shore or random M and M quotes.

1:08 Yeah. I was just in New York, and I was like, in downtown, I was like, dead in the middle of Little Italy.

1:14 Dead in the middle of Little Italy. Little did we know that we riddled some middlemen who didn't do diddly. You got to say that. It's funny to say about dementia. Come on in the waters.

1:25 The water's wonderful.

1:34 Hello, the internet, and welcome.

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2:00 Godzilla Godzilla The G Might have to have him be the guest for that Put the G.

2:08 In I've just been going deep on Godzilla I love Godzilla.

2:12 You and my 10 year old son Will be the guests on that episode But yeah, we take a look at icons, their power. We're in the midst of the spooky run. Dracula. Hannibal Lecter. We got a couple more coming up.

2:26 That are super fun.

2:28 But right here, right now, it's Thursday, October 15th, 2026. October 15th. 15th?

2:35 Yeah, that doesn't seem right. Let me fact check. What the fuck?

2:39 That's the ticket. We're halfway there. Hey, you like a shawarma?

2:42 It's your day.

2:42 It's National Shawarma Day. National Cheese Curd Day. National I Love Lucy Day. Put them all together. National Esthetician Day. National Latinx AIDS Awareness Day. National Real Sugar Day. Hey, shout out the mushrooms, because it's National Mushroom.

2:59 Day, too.

2:59 National Real Sugar? Yeah. I'm drinking Diet Coke.

3:02 I know. In your face, sugar lady. It'll be me and a Sparta May all the time.

3:07 When is Espartame Day?

3:09 Big Sugar sounds like it shouldn't be something to fear, but man. We did that one episode with somebody who was going deep on Big Sugar.

3:16 Yeah.

3:17 Not great.

3:18 I had a family friend who had a side business developing a sweetener that was diabetic-friendly and tooth-friendly, and like.

3:26 the sugar like people came.

3:28 For him oh yeah weird lawsuits to be like don't you fucking don't even try.

3:32 It yeah they've had the shit in coke zero for years but it's just been a process of like getting it out of the labs into the hands of the good people of coca-cola my name is jack o'brien aka You ground and pound me, baby, right down. Cash Patel is curled up on the mat crying. You ground and pound me, baby, right down. Is it gay porn or an FBI training? That one, courtesy of Flash Hardcore, in reference to the FBI's weird insistence that they get... UFC training, dude.

4:09 They're going to get all their self-defense training exclusively.

4:12 From the UFC.

4:13 Why are you laughing? Dude, those are the toughest fucking men on earth, dog.

4:16 It's so 10-year-old coded.

4:18 It's always so fun coming on a podcast that's been running for a really long time because you sit here and you're just like, man, they're just doing all their rituals. I don't know what's happening, but eventually.

4:29 You'll catch on real quick. Trust me. What the fuck is this?

4:34 This guy sings a song after his name, and then it's submitted by a guy?

4:37 It's submitted by Flash Hardcore, who also sounds like he could be in the world of Game 4. Shout out to Flash Hardcore. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Hey, it's Miles Gray, the Lord of Lakersim, a.k.a. the Shogun with no gun, Blacknese experimental artist, your boy Kusama. Thank you for having me.

4:56 That was sick.

4:57 Yeah.

4:58 Hey, man.

4:59 I always like to start off with a bit of gratitude. It's important.

5:01 It's important.

5:03 Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny comedian, writer, TV and podcast host, you know, from Adam Rowan's everything. His podcast, Factually, his new very funny stand-up special, Big Divorce Energy, dropping October 23rd.

5:17 Yeah.

5:17 It's coming up.

5:19 Welcome back to the show. It's Adam Conover, everybody! Wow, thank you for having me.

5:25 Oh, he's making noise for myself.

5:26 Please do. Please do.

5:27 I'm thrilled to be here. I love the show.

5:29 Big divorce energy. Love the show. Never heard of the intro.

5:32 This guy's singing a song a few times. Yeah, yeah.

5:35 And also, you've been on remote every time, too.

5:37 Yes.

5:37 So it's different when we're screaming at you our joke songs.

5:41 For sure.

5:41 For sure. Yeah. Much easier to tune out when you're over. what I like to do. No offense. Disassociate.

5:47 No offense.

5:47 Truly, truly do it. You got the new standard special coming out?

5:50 Yeah, it's coming out on the 23rd on my YouTube channel. Self produced it, financed it, directed it myself. Uh, it's yeah, I'm really, I'm really.

5:58 Proud of it. Did you have to run back and forth really fast to start the cameras? I'm on stage.

6:07 I'm like, cut, cut.

6:09 What the fuck was that? What was I doing? You laugh harder.

6:16 I had a really great DP and I had a great producer. When you're directing a stand-up special, it's really you're thinking about what do I want the feel to be? What should the room be like? My last special we did for Dropout, it was very much like HBO special was the vibe. This is like sort of elevated night in a comedy club. Chicago at the Den Theater.

6:36 Really awesome, lovely little theater.

6:37 And You know, the story of the special was I had a really big breakup a couple years ago and just started, just, like, went to New York and started writing about what was happening. Like, I was, like, dating again for the first time in, like, 15 years. And, like, who the fuck am I? And I was just, like, writing jokes while I was doing that. And then started going on the road. And, like, that turned into the special.

7:00 And it ended up being... Like people really know me for informational, educational, political comedy. And this is the opposite. This is like, I'm trying to dive deep in my own experience and like sexuality and shit like that.

7:15 And that's, yeah, I'm sure that's like such a process too, because people, Adam Ruins Everything is such a big show that most people are like, they're like, you're Adam Ruins Everything, right? I'm also a guy, kind of like a life that I'm also living.

7:26 People will react to me on the street like I stepped out of their YouTube, like from middle school. Like guys will go like, oh, is that Adam Conover? Because they like have not thought about me for 10 years since they last saw, like I was a, they think of me as a YouTuber from like the, from 10 years ago.

7:45 I was on true TV. God damn it. Yeah.

7:47 And there's, I have a lot of people who followed me the whole time and they come see me and et cetera. But yeah, it is like, I sort of made the mistake of creating a Peewee Herman character that I named after myself 10 years ago. Like the Adam ruins everything. Yeah, actually guy. And it's been a process to be like, I am a.

8:07 I'm actually Paul Rubens. This is your Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Paul Rubens performance to separate the two. I'm really proud of this.

8:18 You should. The vibes nailed.

8:20 My compliments to the director and the jokes are great. Thank you, man. Everybody should go check it out. We're thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're continuing to follow... Kelly Clarkson Gates. Yeah.

8:35 New Clarkson files have dropped.

8:38 Yeah.

8:39 Once again, Pablo fucking Torres.

8:42 Why does he get.

8:44 The fucking video? The best in the business. I mean, ABC needs to get Pablo Torres. They're like, how do we get young people? Dude, Pablo Torres needs his own fucking desk. He needs his own fucking show.

8:54 This guy, he's He treats every stupid fucking story like it is Watergate and like nails the investigative reporting.

9:03 Incredible. He got the tape immediately. Like, got it.

9:07 So we all got to watch what exactly happened inside that store. So we're going to take a look at the tape.

9:11 I've heard about it. I've not seen the tape, but I've heard the story.

9:14 It's just wild that there's fucking tape from multiple angles. And he's like, let's reverse the angle really quick to see how the shopkeeper is talking to her.

9:23 The energy... We won't spoil it, but I would say it kind of leads in one direction. Would you say that? Whose side of the story are you buying after this? I would say it leads in one direction. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about another really fun video that just dropped. A Democratic candidate who the Democrats are like, what do we do? And it's like, oh, socialism is really popular.

9:48 And they're like, whoa, shut the fuck up. What do we do?

9:51 We don't know. We need to find a path forward. I think we have it.

9:55 For them.

9:55 Just get fucking Jamie West toasted. Jamie West! So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about Pringles.

10:04 I just can't wait for Pringles. I can't even imagine what the story's.

10:07 Going to be. You're not going to be disappointed.

10:10 Just toss Pringles in there.

10:12 We're going to talk about Pringles.

10:14 They've got a fun new ad campaign that they're doing. Oh, okay. A little bit strange. But I do want to talk about the Pringles container. Most iconic container? Is there another product with a more iconic container? I'm going to put that in your heads and then we can discuss later. Before we get to any of that shit, Adam, we do have to ask you, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

10:35 Oh, my God. I wasn't prepared for this. Something from my search. Can I go look at it right now?

10:41 Let's go. Let's check. Let's dive deep.

10:45 So I use a search engine called Kagi. It's a paid search engine. Let's see if it has my search engine. It's a paid search engine? Yeah, it's a paid search. It's like $ 100 a year, and it doesn't track. It has no ads.

10:58 Oh, wow.

10:59 And it has a lot of features that Google doesn't have. For instance, you can tell it to exclude certain sources if you're like, I don't ever want to hear from this again.

11:05 Right. And it'll remember that?

11:08 It'll remember that.

11:09 Yeah.

11:11 It also has, if you got to use AI, it has an AI assistant that doesn't feed any of the models, any of your data and stuff like that. Um, it's a good site and it's not fucking loading my.

11:22 Um, anything you've been curious about of late Godzilla video.

11:27 Uh, I've been, um, you know, I've been spending a lot of time shopping for vintage ceramic dishware. I got really into... Okay, so this will connect to who I am. Because after I became single again, I was decorating my place for the very first time. And I was like, I don't like the dishes. I don't like the dishes that I've had for so many years. I want to pick out new dishes. And I got really into Heath ceramics, which is like heritage ceramics from California. I'm like, I live in L.A. It's mid-century modern. I'm going to get the dishes. And I just went so deep on like, OK, like this is the pattern. This pattern was created in 1945 and by Edith Heath. And it's coming this many glazes.

12:13 And sometimes I'm like. So I'm like, OK, I want I need more dessert bowls, but they discontinued the obsidian glaze. Can I find anybody on the secondhand sites who's selling dessert bowls and obsidian? Because that'll go good with my moonstone. And one of the first things I did was I bought some of the plates for them. They had an annual edition that came in like green. I was like, oh, that's nice. I get green plates. And then afterwards I was so, I was like, I shouldn't have got green.

12:37 That was so stupid. It looks like it's from the seventies. What was it? The decor. Like I was really like feeling so much of these places so much about my personality.

12:45 I said, yeah, I get that too. Like what was it? What was it?

12:48 What was it like when you looked at your old plates and you're like, man, fuck, these plates like what was it about them it just were like i'm not this person anymore.

12:55 I mean some of the plates had been uh literally i had since before me and my ex were together for 15 years and i had some of those plates from like before we were using the same plates that i like my parents that got me in college they weren't bad yeah but i was just like this i didn't make a choice of this stuff yeah and then everything else in the house like most of the dishware and stuff was stuff she had picked out because she's an artist she had a great taste yeah you know just she wanted to do that. I like never made any of those decisions. And, and I felt like, I don't know who I am. I don't know what my own style is.

13:27 Am I a moonstone or a obsidian glaze? Yeah, exactly.

13:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And you know, like she, after she moved out, we're still very close. And so I know the dishes she bought. She bought corral.

13:37 That's the very thin place. They're like made of glass. Thin and sturdy.

13:40 Yeah.

13:41 And I was like, no, that's not me. I need stoneware.

13:44 There you go.

13:44 I need heavy clay. And I just got really deep into it.

13:47 That's going to last.

13:48 Now I don't get their mugs. I get a Hasami porcelain mugs. You know, Hasami porcelain. No. Japanese.

13:53 I know Hasami means scissors.

13:55 Oh, it means scissor?

13:56 Well, there's a wonderful Japanese pottery maker called Hasami that makes like mugs that are sort of like all very pleasingly the same size and they stack and stuff and they're sort of rough so i'm so i've yeah i've gotten really into.

14:10 Ceramics i like your ceramics some intentionality into that part of your life.

14:15 I'm a big believer if you if you really dive deep into what you like if you ask yourself about any part of your life right we do a lot with music or movies as as guys but like we do it more rarely with stuff in our house but if you go like what kind of furniture do I like do I want it to be comfy do I want it to look good do I want it or anything like that if you start thinking about that and really figure out what you like you will learn things about yourself yeah yeah more defined as a person and it's really fun yeah they're just like okay I want what do When I pick up a dish, what do I value? What feels good to me?

14:49 No, I went through the exact same thing after the fire because you literally start over with stuff. And I'm like, well, now, because I had the same thing. I had plates from fucking college. And I was like, well, now I'm starting over. And one of the first things I bought were these Japanese glass drinking glasses that are in ramen shops.

15:07 They're not expensive.

15:09 But for me, they're very specific, like texture. And I've sensed memory, like with these cups that I was like, then I very much learned. I'm like, for me, my style is like sort of going into my own personal history and finding things that resonate with that.

15:22 You know, we learn. Yeah, that's great.

15:24 And then every time you touch it, you feel like you're getting in touch with a piece of yourself.

15:28 Exactly.

15:28 If someone says, oh, I like these, you have something nice to say about it. Connects you.

15:32 Right.

15:32 Before I'd be like, I don't know, I got in college or some shit.

15:35 I don't know.

15:36 Yeah.

15:36 Right.

15:36 Okay.

15:37 Thanks. I don't know. Don't look at me. What's something you think is underrated, Adam?

15:44 I think that something that is underrated is the entire genre of jazz. I think it's underrated. I think a lot of people think that they don't like it and they haven't gone to see. I saw Jeff Parker's quartet at the Lodge Room. He's an incredible guitarist and but it's not about like, you know, uh, tricks on the guitar.

16:08 Like it's, it's a four piece him, Josh Johnson, saxophonist, Anna Butters, um, bassist, and I'm blanking on the name of the drummer, but like, it's literally just like, they're all looking at each other. And one of them starts playing just anything. And the next one's like, okay, I.

16:23 Think I'll play this. Just pure improvisation.

16:25 And then you just watch them like generate, like some beautiful music together. And it's like, it's, they're never going to play that again.

16:32 Yeah.

16:32 It did it right there. It was like, so moving. They did three nights, the lodge room. And I went to see every single night of it.

16:39 Yeah.

16:39 No, sorry.

16:40 I would do two nights, but there were people who went to every night and it was, it was like really, it was really moving and powerful. And I feel like that's the soul of the, of the genre is that like improvisation, like live in front of people. And that's so rarely seen. what people actually think that understands.

16:57 Yeah, exactly.

16:58 I think for anybody who's plays an instrument, it's instantly, or I appreciate jazz because if you know, you're like, they're all like, they're just have charts with chord changes at most. And then from there, they're vibing out with each other and they are so technically proficient on their instruments that they can just, they can just go up there and fucking give you something beautiful without having to really be. So, I mean, it's obviously intentional, but not like, the most of music that people hear that's like recorded, rehearsed, and then played over and over again.

17:25 Yeah. I think it's, most people should.

17:27 I think, I think people just kind of think of it as like a texture without understanding like why people like jazz. Like jazz is like the things like, rather than understanding, It's a completely improvised part.

17:40 I went with all the he-dogs and hit it with she-dogs.

17:43 That's actually the only jazz I've heard. Kim Cattrall's jazz scatting is a little bit deeper.

17:48 If I can go a little bit deeper, we're so, like streaming, and even before that, CDs trained us so much to think of music as like a sound wave that you hear, like a musical product you consume. But if you instead switch to thinking of it as like, something that human beings are doing in front of you.

18:04 Right.

18:04 In the same way, when you watch a basketball game, you're like that, that guy actually had to do that.

18:08 Yeah.

18:09 Yeah. He actually had to jump that high.

18:11 They're actually having to look at each other. Like if you look at music the same way and you look for music that like works that way.

18:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:18 It's like, it'll completely change your experience. That's so true, yeah. This is, I get stoned when I'm 43 years old is what you're.

18:25 Learning from me. Hey, I'm stoned at 42.

18:27 I don't like jazz music, but I like to compare things to jazz. Like when people are like, what do you do? I'm like, I host a podcast. It's kind of like jazz.

18:35 You know, we're just in there, just riffing.

18:37 Talking about Pringles.

18:38 You know, jazz. What if jazz was about Pringles?

18:43 You know what I mean? Most iconic can. This is jazz. Well, we'll see. I will say that this made me realize that I have a memory of, I think the movie Jerry Maguire is underrated in the harm that it did to us as a culture. Okay. There's a scene where Renee Zellweger's sister is like having a divorced women meeting.

19:06 Okay.

19:07 Yeah. And they're all like, oh, and the constant chocolate eating. It's like this terrible dismissive portrayal of like what it is to be a divorced woman. Another thing is like, it has this babysitter who's into jazz. Do you remember this part? And he's like, Hey man, listen to this tape. Coltrane 76. It's going to change your life. And like, they put it on when they're about to hook up and then they're like, the fuck is this stupid as hell.

19:35 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he does say, I can't get jiggy to this.

19:39 Not to this shit.

19:39 Wait, who says I can't get jiggy?

19:42 No, no, I just added that. That was my own feelings. on jazz.

19:46 I believed it. It was the 90s.

19:47 I believe that was the line.

19:49 It would be.

19:50 Show me the money, I can't get jiggy. I can't get jiggy with this. No, that's what people think of jazz as being, and that's bad. Like, no, that's not. There are guys who are like that, and they suck.

20:02 Right.

20:03 Yeah. Because you got to be like, look, it's music.

20:05 It's beautiful. Right. Hopefully you like it because at the end of the day, you're listening to something where very talented people are doing it that no other people really on earth can do the same thing. So take it or leave it. Okay. Take it.

20:15 I prefer Kelly Clarkson, but you know, potato, potato. What is something you think is overrated?

20:21 Oh, my God. I'll bring it back to the topic of my special. I think relationships are overrated, honestly. Well, I think underrated is being by yourself, genuinely. Or the need for a relationship is overrated.

20:34 Yeah, exactly.

20:35 I think that I certainly, last time I was single, which was a couple decades ago, I was very much, I hate this, and I want to be in a relationship.

20:44 And then you.

20:45 You get into it and you're like, you sort of cling on and that becomes, okay, I've solved this part of my life. And you have like a terror of being alone. And now they're in a phase of my life where I'm like, I I'm living alone for the first time in my life. I fucking love it.

20:57 It's so great.

20:58 I mean, there's times where it's like lonely. Then you write somebody over or whatever. It doesn't have to be forever, but like to have the experience of, standing on your own two feet and being your own and just deciding i'm gonna i'm gonna shop for myself at the grocery the only food i'm gonna get is food i want to.

21:16 Eat is oreo what do i like yeah right.

21:18 You know and just having that um or you know going on a trip traveling alone yeah yeah yeah etc is like such a powerful uh experience i.

21:28 Totally i mean like yeah i'm we're in long-term relationships you kind of like when you say that like i haven't dated in 15 years i'm like Yeah, I'm like, I was with Her Majesty like pre-app use.

21:39 You know what I mean?

21:40 And like I think about those, like what that would be like. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I would do. But also like being in a relationship too, I think for long term, you sort of end up, you kind of, you define yourself also by that relationship.

21:52 Not in a bad way.

21:53 But like when you're out of it, then yeah, you have this whole other process, I'm sure, of like beginning to be like, okay, like how do I define myself now?

22:00 Yeah. Like I sort of had this image, I've been saying lately, that I didn't know who I was in the relationship, or I was so much relationship guy, right? And I've been watching Sex and the City lately, and you know the male characters on Sex and the City where they'll meet a guy, and he has a job, he has an apartment, he has stuff he likes, he dresses a way, he has a dog, or he doesn't have a dog. There's a whole person all by himself.

22:26 That's good to figure out what your version of that is.

22:29 You know what I mean?

22:30 Which Sex and the City character am I? Yeah, like some people aren't one, you.

22:35 Know, and it's like good to be one. And then when you are you want to enter into a relationship, you're like, here's what I bring. Yeah, I know who I am.

22:43 I like jazz. OK, yeah. And I like ceramics.

22:47 And I sense this was overrated relationships. I'll say that we really hold up in like our religion is romantic love in America. And we act as though. the relationship is like the most important thing and that sustaining it again for all costs is the most important thing. And I had that mentality and it's good to try.

23:06 To, you know, try to give up.

23:08 Yeah.

23:09 But sometimes like it's, you know, it's, it is not the only way to live, you know, isn't a, isn't a, you know, lifelong.

23:17 Yeah.

23:18 Yeah.

23:18 My parents are like, that's like when they split, like, They became the better versions of themselves after the fact. And my mom to this day is like single, but she's very much also like, she's like, I desire a level of independence. So like, I cannot get like a relationship does not allow that for me. And she's like, and we tried to stay together for you because we wanted you to have two parents in the household. And I was like, yeah, but like, I could tell this shit was cooked for years. And they're like, yeah, that's on us a little bit too. But I think also reinforces the point about like sometimes you have to kind of know what is best and it's not always about like this sort of ideal of, you know, it has

23:52 to be this thing all the time.

23:54 And so many kind of lives are admirable, right? Like if you look at celebrities, right? Everyone loves Ted Danson and I'm blanking on who he's married to, but they've been married for like 40 years and everyone's like, oh, it's so romantic, right? But also if you go look at like a celebrity's Wikipedia page and it's like, oh, they're married to this person for 10 years. And then they had a period of whatever. And then they and then they had a wonderful second marriage.

24:15 Yeah.

24:15 And then that person died.

24:16 Right.

24:17 And then they have adult children and blah, blah, blah. Like someone who you look at that, you go, oh, that person lived a full life.

24:23 Oh, how cool.

24:24 Right.

24:24 Right.

24:24 There were seasons.

24:25 Yeah.

24:26 And so that's a that's a way to be as well. And I think we need to give ourselves more permission to, you know, live an expansive life as part of and figure out who we are. So that's my thing.

24:37 There it is.

24:38 Is there a rom-com that like comes around to that point of view? Because I feel like it always like gravitationally pulls you to, to being like, like they fake out.

24:48 They're like, you know what?

24:49 I'm actually happy. And then the person's there at their house at the end. And it's like, thank God I was going to kill myself.

24:57 I love, I am always looking for rom-coms or romantic movies that end with like a good breakup, right? And the one that's most, because it's so rare, I loved the invite. The invite was good, yeah. It was really good. And what I loved about it was it showed like this couple, because people who are in relationships are so haughty about everybody else, right? They're like, oh, look at those two. Well, we are so functional, right? And to see this couple basically just be confronted by their own relationship anxiety and dysfunction and then at the end to realize like this yeah this is like they're not happy and I know people some people think have like gas lit themselves or thinking the end of that movie oh

25:43 they're gonna get back together after the ending because he like plays the piano.

25:47 And then she put their head on his shoulder.

25:48 Yeah but no that is the moment of honesty people have been in a breakup no and after you decide to break up, you have a moment of tenderness and love for each other, right? And that is what that moment was. They do not get back together.

26:02 It's grief, you know, where they're like, yeah, this is it.

26:05 La la land. They're not together at the end.

26:07 Oh, yeah.

26:09 Because he.

26:10 They're just like, we're doing our own thing. He chooses to invent jazz music.

26:13 Is that correct? Yeah.

26:14 Oh, my God.

26:14 I'm going to invent jazz, baby.

26:17 Sebastian, no. How embarrassing... Was it Chazelle? Damien Chazelle? How many movies can you make as a white man about white people playing jazz?

26:31 Like.

26:31 How can that be?

26:32 Is that a challenge?

26:33 At least two. And then he did the third. What was it called? Babylon or something? And I think that also looked like a white jazz movie to me.

26:42 It's definitely like the jazz age. It was jazz age, right?

26:46 Yeah.

26:46 But like, how?

26:47 Come on, man. Hey, he's got something he's into, man. He's discovering himself. That's right.

26:53 I think white jazz.

26:54 Is pretty cool.

26:57 Like, plenty of amazing white jazz musicians.

26:59 I know.

26:59 But, like, that can't be your POV.

27:01 On the entire genre. And also, like, it's funny how, like, Whiplash is one of the most upsetting movies for jazz musicians. For actual musicians. Yeah, like, especially jazz musicians. They're like, what the fuck is wrong with him? His hands are bleeding doing a double time swing. He's got a drum harder.

27:14 That movie, that actually movie is my ultimate overrated. I think that movie is toxic.

27:19 Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

27:20 Because, like, the... At the end of them, people are like, oh, it's ambiguous. You don't know whether it was good or bad. Yes, the ending is ambiguous in the screenwriter's mind, but the screenwriter has... accepted the idea that abuse makes you a good musician. In the musician, he's physically and emotionally abused, and in the world of Whiplash, that makes him good at playing the drums. That is not fucking true. Being emotionally abused just makes you abused.

27:47 It sounds like someone who hasn't been to therapy yet and hasn't worked out their own childhood.

27:51 And that was good. That actually made me stronger. It's like it was directed by a person in their early 20s or something.

27:59 Maybe that's true.

28:00 I feel like that is generally the... default position of most movies is that like mean teacher good yeah.

28:08 Yeah well because i think it's an analog for our fucked up parents who are like they're like look man we didn't know about this stuff when we were raising you and like you're just kind of like i think it was okay that they were really rigid and impatient and screaming um but i'm okay now because i feel like i've done that too and i've described things like even like you know we're raising a child now and Her Majesty would talk about stuff. I'm like, well, when I was a kid and I was like, and I'm about to say something like, Oh no, that's not good.

28:33 That's actually bad.

28:33 I'm not actually going to shut up now. And I need to break that cycle. Yeah.

28:37 All right.

28:37 Let's take a quick break. We got to get to Kelly Clarkson.

28:40 We got to stop talking about this unimportant shit and get to Kelly Clarkson. We'll be right back.

28:57 And we're back.

28:59 And so, yeah, for people who aren't up on the Clarkson V part of play, whoever wins, we all lose feud that has taken over social media. Basically, Clarkson over the weekend was like, these fuckers.

29:16 Treated me like pretty woman.

29:18 I walked in. They gave me the up and down. They were like, you're not rich enough to shop here, bitch. And then I tried to buy something. They were like, no, you can't buy that. You're stupid, essentially, was like kind of the vibes that we got. I guess the implication when they said, oh, this isn't for sale. Let me show you something that's more appropriate. She's like, appropriate in that, like...

29:40 I can afford.

29:40 Yeah.

29:41 And you're like, I don't know, maybe that it's not for sale. This is appropriate for a transaction. Yeah.

29:46 Can I say, I.

29:47 Didn't read anything on social media about this. I read no articles. I only know about the story through other people describing it to me.

29:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:53 And it was so funny, because like a week ago, someone was like, did you hear about this Kelly Clarkson story? She got pretty woman. Like, they turned her away. That can even happen to Kelly Clarkson. I was like, oh, wow, that's interesting. And then a couple days later, someone was like, did you hear about the Kelly Clarkson story?

30:04 You're like, yeah, know all about it.

30:05 She tried to buy a gigantic robotic chicken from the wall of a store that was clearly... part of the store. And they were like, they were like, that's, you can't purchase that.

30:16 Yeah.

30:17 And then she described that as being pretty woman. That's so funny.

30:21 Yeah. You're saying I'm poor. No, but then, so that, that's the second iteration.

30:27 It's like, you go into the restaurant, you're like, can I buy the tables? And they're like, no, how dare you? Oh, so I'm poor.

30:33 You sir are coming with me.

30:34 Yeah.

30:35 Yes.

30:35 Um, The, so then the next version of the story, she's like, Oh yeah. Then why does it have a price tag in this picture? And they were like, well, sometimes we say it's for sale. Sometimes we say it's not, I don't know. Like we're just fucking around. Uh, we're, we're a weird store for like adult and child knickknacks and stuff. Uh, Anyways, so people don't know how to feel about this one.

31:01 And then Pablo Torre.

31:03 I don't think they do.

31:04 It feels like one of those things because we talked from the beginning. When I saw the thing, I was like, I fail to see the injury to Kelly Clarkson in any manner.

31:11 I fail to see the injury to anybody. You said people don't know how to feel about this. I started laughing because I'm like, why does anybody need to feel any way about it? Why do we have to choose a side?

31:21 Pick a side, Adam.

31:22 Pick a side. I think the fact that this has become such a big story just says so much more because I don't know, like, how has this been fucking four days now of this, like a simple thing where it's like, Celebrity went into a toy store and they said you couldn't buy a thing, basically.

31:36 I think we're missing like monoculture celebrity gossip. We're missing Britney Spears cutting her hair. We're missing, you know, and we're always trying to make it happen again.

31:45 Kristen Stewart cheated on Robert Pattinson.

31:47 Yeah. And so we're sort of like lusting after it and trying to make shit happen. But I think with stories like this, You really save your sanity if you just always start with team no one. You're like, I'm team no one.

31:59 Yeah, I think they're probably both wrong.

32:01 I started off, yeah.

32:02 I just went, if it's a multimillionaire versus a wage worker, I'm not going to side with a millionaire.

32:07 Fair enough.

32:07 You know what the fuck.

32:08 They're doing at their job?

32:09 I mean, yeah, what the fuck do you want me to do? This shit isn't, I was like.

32:13 This shit isn't for sale.

32:14 Right. I just want to say really early though, before we get deep, Kelly Clarkson was a real one during the writer's strike. She was, she stayed off the air. And I know from sort of behind the scenes, like they were pressuring her and she like actually stayed off the air. They were trying to get her to do a version of the show with no writers. And she was like, no, I'm not going to do it at all.

32:34 And she like talked to, some other folks behind the scenes and made some other good things happen. So, uh, she, she will, I will always take her side.

32:41 I don't think to me, it's like, it's that doesn't like cast her in a different light. It's more like, this isn't an issue.

32:47 Right.

32:48 You know what I mean? Like, so what? You couldn't buy the fucking bird at the store, but then like the other people, like we're getting review bombed. They're putting our, our, our employees at risk.

32:58 I'm like, are they?

32:59 And like shouting at them. And, uh, according to them, they're threatening them.

33:05 Yeah.

33:06 They're threatening the people that work at a Brooklyn toy store.

33:08 At a Brooklyn toy store. This is like some shit Fox News wants you to believe. He also wrote the book Dragons Love Tacos. Are you familiar with this one yet?

33:15 No.

33:15 This is a children's book.

33:16 Are you familiar with this?

33:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:18 The store guy?

33:18 The store guy.

33:19 So it's like he's got a whole children's aesthetic. They make little fun toys for kids. And then he made this fun book for kids. And it's one of those books that... You know, it's not for us, but we are the ones who have to read it to our... Yeah, it's not for adults, but we're the ones who have to read it to our kids over and over again.

33:39 I saw people being like, okay, now I know which side I stand on this. Fuck this guy.

33:44 Fuck dragons love tacos.

33:45 Because they just don't... It's like the book just sounds cringe. They hate reading to their kids.

33:50 Yeah, it's just like one of the.

33:51 There's plenty of great books. This isn't the top of the list. But anyways, so we had the two sides of the story, and then Pablo Torre, who... specializes that you know he broke the clippers scandal he also there there's a weird video of bill belichick in his underwear at a like outside of a house and he like went and found what that where the house was like yeah so he he will put a lot of journalistic energy into the dumbest shit.

34:23 Possible this does feel like a thing because they're they're based in new york like through their own network, they're like, I know the people that own that fucking store. Right. They're like, I'll get you the tape.

34:31 It's like, perfect, perfect.

34:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

34:33 I'm sure it wasn't super. I'm sure they didn't have to hack into the mainframe. A FOIA request or something. I'll just say, like, I don't think it's unlikely that Kelly Clarkson fans went a little hard on this one.

34:45 Sure.

34:46 I will say, like, these are our gods. Like, there are people who have too much riding on her having been wronged in this situation.

34:55 But....

34:57 Kelly Clarkson. And again, I have positive feelings towards Kelly Clarkson, but I don't think of her as the kind of pop star who needs defending. Like, for instance, a Chapel Roan type.

35:07 Sure.

35:07 There's a young woman fresh on the scene getting too much attention. I can see why people be back off the chapel. I relate to her.

35:13 Yes.

35:13 And it's symbolically important to me. Kelly Clarkson has been mega famous for 20 years.

35:17 She has a talk show.

35:19 Like, I don't think she's gotten a bad break. No.

35:22 Yeah, I don't think so either.

35:23 Does she need defending from the public?

35:24 No, I feel like the things I hear are, like, what you're saying, that, like, she's actually, she's, like, a good person or whatever. That's why, like, the whole story is so confounding to me. I'm like, so what? Like, it's not like she burned the place down.

35:38 And they didn't fucking, like, throw hot water in your face or something.

35:42 Yeah.

35:43 So one part of the story that has fallen apart, I would say, is that she went in and was like pretty woman based on like her appearance.

35:55 She's dressed exactly like everybody else.

35:58 She looks like she lives in Brooklyn.

35:59 Yes. She looks exactly. Yes.

36:02 Sure.

36:03 Like, it's funny because like when you look at all the people here, I'll show you. Let me just pull up the tape.

36:08 Her argument originally was that she was pretty woman because she looked less affluent than most people.

36:14 If you're using pretty woman as your example, they're like, you look poor.

36:19 I think perhaps you would like a more modest singing bird. Right over this way.

36:25 God, they're all wearing Brooklyn hats.

36:27 Trying to find Kelly Clarkson. That's what they did on the Pablo Torre episode. They're like, which one is Kelly Clarkson? She's right here.

36:35 Okay, that's Kelly Clarkson. And so their point was like, I don't know, she doesn't seem like an outlier in terms of dress.

36:43 Yeah.

36:43 But, okay.

36:44 She's in there for four minutes and 50 seconds total, which was surprising to me. It's like I had an epic showdown in my brain when I first heard this story. Yeah, yeah. You thought it was like fucking Harper's Ferry or some shit.

36:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

36:59 And she... Yeah, it seems like she asks about a thing on the wall. They point her to... It's almost like a silent film. They're like, what about this one over here? And then she points back to the one that she wants and then kind of leaves in a huff, essentially, is what it seems like.

37:18 I think at the end of the day, everyone will benefit... from this just fucking going away. I mean, cause I, when I saw it, I was like, I think the fun part was that I think the fun thing was that it arise to a level where Pablo Torre is like, all right guys, let me fucking get to the bottom of this. Which was like, I think the funnier moments are sort of where we're at culturally. Cause Pablo is like the bringer of, pop culture truths recently.

37:44 Yeah. So from there, I'm like, OK, great. But at the end, I don't feel more or less.

37:49 My feelings don't change about the situation based on even what I've seen. I'm like, I don't know.

37:53 He doesn't seem to be rude.

37:54 She doesn't seem to be like necessarily like on some kind of tirade or something.

37:57 So if I had to guess, which I do, it seems like the main transgression is that they don't know that it's Kelly Clarkson. And like, so they're not giving your Kelly Clarkson energy. Sure, sure. Which I sympathize with because I'm very bad at recognizing when like I'm in the same room with a celebrity, like the number one thing exchange between my wife and I is always, did you, you know who that was, right? And you're like the bartender person with the huge head.

38:27 I guess I have trouble relating to the idea that, that she'd want to be treated like a celebrity just because I, you know, I have a very minor amount of celebrity. And when I'm walking around the world, I am not thinking about that ever. Anytime someone says to me.

38:42 Oh, hey, I like your thing.

38:44 Or a person behind the counter is like, oh, hey, I like your thing. And then they give me a free cookie or some shit or whatever. I'm like, oh, how nice.

38:51 I never.

38:53 Because in real life, you are a real person. You can't walk around thinking I'm a pop star every single moment.

39:00 I think the big thing was because it was the energy of her tweet that set it off.

39:04 What was the energy of the tweet?

39:05 It was just like, if you want to be treated like, you know, like trash, go to this store. Oh, she's so mad. And that was the thing that was just sort of like, and they acted like I couldn't afford it. Well, they just like, way to go, dummy. You just lost a sale. Do not go here. And that's, and I think because of that, that was sort of the inciting incident that yeah kicked everything.

39:24 And then the store release statements and stuff.

39:26 They're like we're getting review but there's a woman outside on like the day after with like a I stand with Kelly Clarkson outside of the toy store so it's just like a whole thing and I think that's what probably because of all these things that happened everyone's like huh Okay. Big celebrity moment.

39:40 But also, it's good for the store, no? Like, ultimately, to be part of a silly store. Because it's not like anything really dangerous happened to them.

39:48 Yeah, no time for, like, racism or, like, harassment or anything like that.

39:51 There's, like, criminal going on.

39:52 Outside of, like, hurt egos, really. So, I think, I have a feeling, I mean, like, the owner said.

39:57 Foot.

39:57 Traffic's gotta be up. Foot traffic's gotta be up.

40:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

40:01 Definitely.

40:02 That's great.

40:02 Like, again, could have been viral marketing for the store.

40:05 A hundred percent. I mean, I've been seeing this thing on my own TikTok. that's gone pretty big on TikTok where a woman brought a Rolleiflex vintage camera to a camera shop and that was her grandmother's and the guy repairs it and then she's like, looks at the new one, looks at the camera, she's like, this is not my camera. Like, you swapped out my camera. And this woman has done like four videos at this point of like long conversations with the guy where he's like, no, no, I had to fix it. And she's like, well, this is, there's a scratch here where there wasn't. And the comments are like, he stole, he probably, he stole it. He replaced your camera with a different one. At this point, this has

40:37 been going on for days. She has referred to the fact that like ABC news has been in the store. The guy is continuing to like be in long videos where he's trying to explain. And I'm going like, I've shifted from who's right and who's wrong to, is this real? Cause why is the store participating in this?

40:59 And it like allows them to be like, I mean, it's crazy.

41:02 It looks new.

41:02 I mean, it's just like it's brand new.

41:06 And by repairing, I have to replace parts that aren't. This is the argument.

41:10 Viral marketing.

41:11 And the whole thing is, it never comes to.

41:13 The ship of Theseus.

41:15 Yeah.

41:15 The Raleigh Flex of Theseus.

41:16 And it never comes to a resolution. So you just continually watch, waiting for the piece of information that's going to solve it for you.

41:22 That is so much of how like social media content is constructed of sort of like, There's so many videos that like wait till the end and there's fucking nothing.

41:30 Yeah.

41:30 Just to be like, got your ass. Cause you need that watch time.

41:33 You know what I mean? I can see that same sort of that thinking or that strategy playing out in a video like that, where it's like, Oh, I better, I better check in on the mundane thing I was invested in that has no bearing on my life or society at large.

41:45 But yeah, I guess it's fun to get invested in something that's that small, you know?

41:49 Oh yeah. It's a little distracting.

41:51 I guess anytime you see on, on Tik TOK or anything else, if there's like a cop and a person in an altercation, you immediately go, who's wrong.

41:58 Yeah.

41:58 Who is the cop being an asshole? Or is the person being actually, you.

42:02 Know, actually breaking the law.

42:03 Yeah.

42:04 Right.

42:04 Um, we just have this urge.

42:06 Yeah. Well, I feel like Kelly Clarkson was undercover bossing it here. I feel like she, do you undercover boss it as somebody who with, with some fame, do you, what is that?

42:17 Try it with like hat.

42:18 On, like go around my own employees and.

42:20 Be like, Hey, what do you do today?

42:25 Trying to look like I'm just like one of you. Check out my barbed wire tattoo. Um, anyways, uh, we're, we're going to keep reporting on this. Like it's, uh, there's going to be another, I know there's, this is going to keep going.

42:38 Yeah. It's gonna, the fact that they're going to.

42:40 Bring John boy and the guy who reads lips.

42:43 Yeah.

42:45 Yeah.

42:46 You can see here. And, uh, he clearly says this, he's narrating along. Oh my God. What do you mean?

42:51 It's not for sale, ma'am. I told you this isn't for sale. Well, I have the money. It's not about money. You actually don't have enough money to buy this because it's not for sale. oh, I don't have money, that also feels like a thing, too, where they go, you actually don't have enough money.

43:05 Didn't they say that they raised the price on this thing now? Yeah, they did raise the price. So this is one thing that I'm like, oh, you guys are playing into this because they are on one hand being like.

43:12 We just want to go back to how it was before. They're, like, threatening us. They're making me scared.

43:18 And then they're like, oh, and also we raised the price on that motherfucker to $ 15 million. Oh, yeah.

43:22 Well, that's a collector's item now. That's like Sotheby's is going to be auctioning that off.

43:26 Oh, yeah.

43:27 The famous animatronic chicken or whatever the fuck it is.

43:30 Hopefully my grandchildren for my 90th birthday, they buy me that. They go, we thought you'd like this, father, father. Papa, is that the Kelly Clarkson bird?

43:41 I suddenly have a British accent. I was thinking like, I mean, they haven't had a brick through the window. They might get a brick through the window and somebody going in to steal that fucking bird. Because that thing is like the new crown jewels of American trash pop culture.

43:54 They need a security guard.

43:56 Yeah, absolutely. Let's take a quick break.

43:59 Okay.

43:59 We'll come back and talk Pringles. Oh, I'm so excited! Pringles.

44:15 And we're back. We're back. And a new character has entered the chat.

44:21 Yeah. In the run-up to the midterm elections. It's, you know, Democrats, Republicans.

44:28 Out there making their cases to the people. We focus mostly on national politics. And you forget, it's easy to forget that the real fun is at the local level. Not just for how your community can change for the better, but also the kind. Because, you know, there's a little bit of a filter you have to pass to get on the national stage.

44:48 Local politics. It's about the people.

44:50 Unfiltered. And in this case, in Indiana... Marlboro, unfiltered. Unfiltered Reds. In this Indiana City Council race, this woman named Jamie West, she seems to have a backstory like a lot of new candidates, people who are new to politics that decided to run given what's happening with this administration. You know, she's a mom. She does gig work. And she cares about her local community and the environment. And that inspired her candidacy. And so she had the chance... to talk to local news recently and get in front of voters and shit was a little, um, people.

45:19 Think she's wasted. Right. I think that's the big thing. People think she's wasted.

45:23 However, I got to say, everything she's saying, it's like one of these things where everything she's saying, people.

45:27 Are like, no lies detected, though.

45:29 Right.

45:30 She may be wasted, but I agree.

45:32 I agree. It's like Legend of Drunken Master, but for politics, where she just gets up there and she's like, yeah, this is what I need to get to.

45:40 She starts off with a Forrest Gump-like line where she's like, and that's all I have to say about that.

45:45 Yes.

45:46 So she's finishing. She's finishing.

45:48 I watched the whole thing, which is also very interesting because the first question is like, why should people trust you as a city councilor? She's like, I do gig work and I deliver a lot of groceries. If you trust me to deliver your groceries, you can trust me to be the city councilor. And you're like, all right.

46:06 All right. Okay.

46:07 I'm cool with that. So this is where she goes on now. She's asked a question.

46:13 You'll hear.

46:13 She has a little trouble understanding it. but then gets going and finally delivers the real answer. So here's Jamie West, Democratic candidate in Indiana.

46:22 Oh, my God.

46:22 Just from her pose.

46:24 This is her going, and.

46:25 That's all I got to say about that. And the posture is the yoga pose beer burp.

46:31 If I look like this, I wish I could go home and go to bed. I'm too drunk at the bar.

46:37 Glasses off around your neck. So here we go. Jamie West, take it away.

46:40 And that's what I have to say about that.

46:42 That was the opening.

46:43 And our last question of the night is, if elected, what is one decision that you expect to make if, that may be unpopular with some voters, but you believe ultimately would be in the best interest of Fayette County.

46:57 I wouldn't raise your taxes. What is the one decision that I would make?

47:04 Take your time.

47:08 Repeat that again. What is the one decision that I would make that might not be popular with Fayette County?

47:13 That may be unpopular with some voters, but is in the best interest of the county.

47:16 Here we go.

47:21 Firing all Republicans. I wouldn't let them.

47:24 I mean, I.

47:26 Don't even talk to him.

47:27 I don't like him. I mean, they voted against our own state representative voted against her own party.

47:36 I mean, yeah, I'm not sure what that one was about.

47:38 What do you want me to say?

47:40 I don't like being around him.

47:42 I mean, he's doing the thing that when you're so drunk, you're hoping just your facial expressions are going to get the communication across because you don't have the words to be like, I mean, what do you want me to say? These people are fascists. They're opening the door to have their neighbors taken away. It's like, I mean, I don't like them.

47:57 And they're just like... You just got to get out of here.

48:00 So I need to see another interview with her.

48:02 I know people like this who are just kind of seem drunk all the time.

48:08 Yeah.

48:09 Before you say she's drunk, I'm like what she could have.

48:12 A lot of people weren't like the person who first posted this on Twitter was like, I was trying to find any information if she had any kind of like neurological condition or anything. I didn't want to just jump into this and be like, check this shit out. They said they couldn't find anything. So they're not going to speculate, but they were just like, This is just a wild interview regardless because she goes on later on to talk about, you know, like Democrats are strapped to.

48:35 I think her closing statement, they're like, what's your closing statement? She gives like an equally long like pause and then.

48:42 Here we'll hear her closing statement because this is where she's got a lot of headlines and Republicans are like, oh, this is really bad for the Democrats.

48:51 We get it.

48:52 You know, there are good Republicans out there. But then there's these maggots who are just racist and aren't very intelligent at all. They call you names. They don't share a nephew trying to blow my head off. But, you know, what are you gonna do well that brings us.

49:14 To um your opportunity to um say just a few last words to.

49:19 Um amazing supporting work by the interviewer last words.

49:24 We have guns too tell them in indiana definitely.

49:31 What's your close statement we got guns too.

49:36 You think I sold them all?

49:37 I love where she's like, you know, it's so good, Republicans, but there's these MAGAs.

49:42 The sheriff's nephew threatened to.

49:43 Blow my head off.

49:45 Is that related to MAGA, or did you.

49:48 The sheriff's nephew?

49:49 The thing is, you know, it's like... One of those things where, again, I'm watching Mike, yeah, I mean, yeah, I get it. purge the republicans from office i understand that uh impulse i understand that you're saying like yeah these people are actually the architects or they've they've raw rod this terrible wave of uh american governance uh in 2026 into our lives but she also just says like some really interesting shit too she was asked earlier about data centers yeah and she was like i'm against them because i'm an environmentalist they're bad and then she's like then she's like well what would it take for you to accept the construction.

50:24 Of a data center in your county she goes.

50:26 Well What would it take? They got to pay for everything, first of all. Right.

50:31 And she's like, what?

50:32 She's like, everything.

50:33 Like, you got to make sure everything's clean. Like, the energy, it's got to be solar. It can't be bad, dirty energy. Then the water they use, it can't be water we need. They got to figure out how to do that without taking our water.

50:46 Okay.

50:46 Also, they need to give every resident in the county a $ 10, 000 annual payment for having the data center.

50:52 Annual.

50:53 And I'm like, then she goes, then I want college tuition guaranteed for every child that Garrett graduates from the local high school. And I was like, she was wasted.

51:04 Whatever was going on.

51:05 But that was like, she knew how to be like, what's it going to take? Well, it better be transformational for the benefit of every person who lives here. And I was like, it's odd to see, like, you know, cause you see like racist people end up running for office for the Republicans, obviously. And they're, they don't really know much except like, they don't like, foreigners or gay people or something. And that's all they have. This woman is kind of similar. She doesn't know all the technicalities of governance, but she knows something's deeply wrong.

51:34 Yeah.

51:34 And there's a better way to do it.

51:36 So I'm kind of like, Yeah.

51:37 All right.

51:38 Like, I hope this isn't a milkshake duck situation where we find out something else after the fact.

51:42 Impossible.

51:43 She seems sturdy. I just love, I love your sentiment. I love where you're coming from.

51:47 Yeah.

51:48 What's it going to take? Give everybody everything for free.

51:51 And I'm like, yeah.

51:52 Yeah.

51:53 Well, we need a little corporate socialism. They got to pay into the, uh, we got to create a sovereign wealth fund.

52:01 Right.

52:01 Like that's wonderful. You know, there's a lady at the end of the bar, uh, At the end of the night, you want to be dismissive, and then.

52:08 You realize, oh, she's lived her life.

52:09 She's actually spitting facts, kind of.

52:10 Yeah, she knows. Instead of means testing, we just do blackout testing, where they just, like, Democratic ideas go through a filter of people who are just like, what.

52:20 Do I do about it? We got guns, too.

52:22 So she ain't scared.

52:25 So you know what, Jamie West, I'm really curious to see how your candidacy ends up.

52:29 And finally, we got to talk Pringles. That's what you're here for. I can't wait. They've announced a surprisingly ghoulish contest. It's called Once You Drop. This is real.

52:44 So.

52:45 This is real.

52:45 This is real.

52:46 It's rare that junk food brands... Are.

52:49 We participating in stunt marketing right now?

52:51 We are.

52:52 Did they do something so outlandish that they're trying to get guys like you to describe it on podcasts?

52:55 They did. They got my ass.

52:57 God damn it.

52:58 Jack wants a platinum Pringles can, I think, for his house.

53:01 And I'm just saying, why not me?

53:03 Is this going to be like a hands-on-a-hard-body situation?

53:06 Is it like, It's sort of, you have to let that, you have to sign over something that they're calling your last will and tastement.

53:17 So do you see what they've done there?

53:18 What does that mean? Instead of will and testament, you have will and tastement.

53:22 Yeah, will and tastement.

53:24 And that allows them to bury you in an iconic platinum Pringles can. Oh, you can get buried in a Pringles can?

53:33 Yeah.

53:34 You have to agree to be buried in a Pringles can, and then you get to be buried in a Pringles can, and you also get an afterlife supply of chips. After lifetime supply. After lifetime. Wait, I'm sorry.

53:48 The promotion is if you agree to be buried, you have to agree to be buried in a Pringles can, and then what you get is you get to be buried in a Pringles can.

53:58 And chips.

53:58 And chips.

54:00 After you're dead? Yeah.

54:02 What is that?

54:03 No, you get the chips right away.

54:04 Is it just free Pringles coffins?

54:06 Is that what's going on? What's happening? So this actually, there's a old piece of lore that's actually true that the Pringles creator.

54:14 Lawrence Bower.

54:16 had was pre-made and had part of his remains placed in a Pringles container. That was his last will and testament. And they had to be like, that's actually not true because there were a lot of rumors that like he, his remains were in Pringles. Like, and so they had to be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

54:36 But now they're like, Fuck it, man. This is what marketing has come to. You're eating old Larry Bauer dust. We can't get Kelly Clarkson to get into a feud with us. So this is what we have to do.

54:48 A little bit of Larry's in every can of Pringles.

54:50 A little Larry's.

54:50 That would be great if Dave Thomas was in all the Wendy's burgers a little bit. They just grind him up in just a little couple of molecules.

54:58 Was Dave Thomas a good guy? I always worry about like old grandpa, white people that I thought were nice.

55:03 So he was a, so if you look him up, he was a considered a good guy because he adopted so many children, but he adopted so many children that you're like, that's too many.

55:15 Yeah.

55:15 You know, of all very diverse children, like many, many kids. Um, I think he was, uh, I think he was a nice guy in the, in the old Christian guy mold.

55:25 Sure. Sure.

55:26 Sure.

55:26 Like, 40s, 50s, people are like, there goes the nicest guy I know. And now people are like, hmm. Oh, because he was adopted. Oh. So good for him. Wait, was Wendy adopted? No way to know, Jack.

55:42 No way to know.

55:43 Wendy was his daughter, I believe.

55:45 Yeah.

55:45 Lied to?

55:47 No.

55:48 Is there another product with a more iconic container? That's ultimately... I think.

55:52 We were talking about the Diet Coke.

55:54 Martinelli's apple juice. Martinelli's apple juice is a good one. In the apple bottle. Yeah. It comes in an apple bottle?

55:59 Yeah, the glass bottle that's shaped like an apple.

56:01 I've never seen that once in my life.

56:03 Oh, really?

56:04 It's not as iconic as Pringles, but it's a great pool. You're not raising a bunch of young kids who love a bit of Martinelli's in the glass bottle. Also, I grew up, that was like the one thing, I couldn't have soda.

56:17 I could have Martinelli's apple juice.

56:19 Oh, wow.

56:20 That's why I drink soda every day now.

56:21 That was what we would drink in like on Christmas for Christmas dinner and like a crystal goblet. Me and my sister.

56:27 Yeah. It was always kid champagne for sure.

56:29 Yeah.

56:30 What else? I think Big League Chew coming out of a tobacco pouch.

56:35 Nothing else.

56:37 I love how the Big League Chew has the whole story written on it where it's like, you know, baseball players were chewing too much tobacco. And so we came up with this bubble gum that looks exactly like tobacco. For the kids.

56:48 That's an early way of introducing them.

56:53 Yeah. I mean, the Coca-Cola. The original Coke bottle is like the most iconic, unfortunately.

56:58 Yeah. That shape.

57:00 What I think is funny about Pringles is everyone loves that can. No one talks about how the chips are bad. They're bad chips. They're the only potato chips you can buy that aren't fried slices of potato. Every other potato chip is like they take a fucking potato chip.

57:15 They're deconstructed.

57:16 Yeah. They are reassembled. They are the particle board of... You know, they're the Ikea laminated.

57:23 Post-consumer, yeah. Protocol board potato chip.

57:27 Yeah.

57:27 Because it's like pink goo for potato chips.

57:29 I like my potato chips to melt in my mouth.

57:33 Like, even if you buy fucking Lay's, Lay's is like, they just took potatoes and fried them.

57:37 Yeah, you look at it and you're like, that looks like a potato. Whereas that, Pringles are its own thing. It's like its own substance.

57:44 Yeah.

57:45 Every time I see them, they're like, I think the original ones suck. Like, I will never eat a regular. It has to be flavor. The only things I can really, with Pringles that I like, have the flavor. The regular ones, I think it's so jarring. Yeah. I'm like, this isn't a fucking potato chip.

58:00 Yeah. I think the main one is greens, like a sour cream and onion you'd get. Yeah, that's a good one.

58:06 Okay. I think that's the only good one. So....

58:09 So they reconstructed the Pringle in that particular shape so that they could all stack and fit in a can.

58:14 Yeah. Why is that good?

58:16 Like, why do I particularly want to eat chips out of a can that are in a column? Like, I understand it's iconic. I understand we like the look of it. But, like, how is that better than a bag?

58:26 They don't get messed up. They don't get all cracked up and crushed in a bag.

58:30 What if the potato was really long? Which is just really long. That's the question that it asks. And I think it's also just good marketing, too. Because suddenly....

58:40 I'm sure the guy, Lawrence Bowers, like every asshole's putting chips in a bag. What we're going to do is we're going to chew up a bunch of potato chips, spit that out and then flatten them into our own chip paste. Then put that in a can and everyone's going to be talking about this crap. Because that's what it feels like. Masticated potato chips that were repressed. for your enjoyment.

59:02 You think the Pringles guy and the Monopoly man are married?

59:07 Definitely.

59:08 Are they ever fucked?

59:09 I think they're definitely in a throuple with the National Bohemian guy, too. The Maryland beer, Natty Bo, also has a very similar Pringle-esque face.

59:19 I don't know this brand.

59:20 It's a very regional.

59:22 Look, Zyte Gang from out there.

59:24 Chesapeake Zyte Gang.

59:26 Let them know. Natty Bo.

59:28 Yeah, it has here.

59:29 Let me just show you.

59:30 I'd love to see this.

59:32 The image is like this. He's kind of like the Pringles guy. Oh, yeah.

59:36 Look at that.

59:37 Oh, yeah. There he is. Oh, wait.

59:39 What about Utz Potato Chips?

59:42 Is there an Utz guy?

59:43 Oh, maybe that's a little girl. Oh, man.

59:46 Maybe.

59:46 Maybe.

59:47 I think it's a little girl.

59:48 Yeah, it's a girl.

59:49 Yep, yep, yep.

59:49 Okay.

59:50 Yeah, they all seem like they're from the weird family of all one-dimensional faces. You know Bira Moretti?

59:58 The Moretti beer guy? Mustached guy who appears to be crying in his beer.

1:00:02 Isn't he wearing a hat? Yeah, so all the mustached lonely men from labels. They all get together.

1:00:08 It's like a TikTok house.

1:00:10 Trying to figure out how to get their shit going again.

1:00:16 Oh, yes, you left me.

1:00:17 Trust me, but we got to hit this dance right.

1:00:21 I'm telling you. That's the scuba, right?

1:00:24 Fuck.

1:00:26 She was right. I'm a fucking loser. Only other food I can think of with a more iconic container is banana.

1:00:33 Okay.

1:00:34 Yeah, it's there. Banana.

1:00:36 All right.

1:00:37 Judges.

1:00:38 We're going to accept that Just so we can end the episode Adam Conover, such a pleasure having you Thanks for having me guys Where can people find you, follow you?

1:00:47 Once again, the special is called Big Divorce Energy It's on my YouTube channel, just search Adam Conover on YouTube October 23rd Is the day that it comes out Please watch it and Same place you can get my podcast. I do video monologue. I do vlogs and stuff like that. And I am going to be on the road. We're going to be dropping tour dates right after the special comes out. But I can say, first of all, I'm going to Vermont in November. Going to be in Burlington.

1:01:15 I'm going to Eugene, Oregon. Those are already on the books. And then we're doing Seattle and Fort Lauderdale, a bunch of other cities. So go to adamconover.net in a little bit to check out my tour dates.

1:01:25 Man, Vermont. That's a never... I never thought of people going to Vermont.

1:01:30 I'm really excited for it. The Burlington Comedy Club. It's a make good because I had to cancel a spot I had there like a year and a half ago. And I was like, oh, but the club is supposed to be so good. And I want to go to Vermont in the fall.

1:01:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:01:42 I feel like I'm going to have a great time. I'm going to meet Bernie. Is there a work of media you've been enjoying?

1:01:54 A work of media.

1:01:56 Video game.

1:01:57 Oh, a video game. Social media posts. I just finished the game Big Walk with my friends. Have you played the game Big Walk? No. Oh, this game is so special. So it's a game where you and your friends all log in simultaneously. So you have to play it together. And you play as these little ant-like creatures in like a big open world. And you can only hear each other when you're close to each other, right?

1:02:21 Yeah.

1:02:22 And so it's really easy to get lost. Like if you walk away from your friends and the sun goes down and it's dark, you're like, I might never find them again until you find a walkie talkie or like a flare gun or something like that. And then you roam around the world and you solve puzzles together. And the puzzles are all based around communicating, you know, like lock you in a room and you have to figure out how to use arm movements in order to solve a code. And basically it's a game that is about, it makes you sit and talk together. to your friends and have like a fun time. It's like, it's like, like summer camp games. It'll make you feel like you're having summer camp. And if you have friends who you

1:03:00 want to hang out with and you want to, Hey, let's have, so me and some, some old college humor buddies, put together like a weekly every tuesday night at seven we play this game nice yeah big walk and it's just it's so uh wholesome and wonderful and a really innovative uh it feels a lot like if you if you remember the first time you played portal yeah another game where it's like it feels new but also so obvious like.

1:03:22 Yeah yeah it's like i don't i already know how to play it yeah like where you know how to play it already too yeah i love that.

1:03:27 It's it's really really good big walk nice There you go.

1:03:30 Miles, where can people find you?

1:03:31 Is there work in media?

1:03:32 You've been enjoying it. Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. I'm talking about 90 Day Fiance on 420 Day Fiance. Also talking about the Premier League, Champions League, football on Ain't It Footy with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin. A work in media I like from Kyle Ayers, one of our favorite guests, posted on Blue Sky. I hate when I come up with an incredible idea and then I find out it's already been done. Just happened to me with six, seven. I can't believe someone beat me to it.

1:03:59 God damn it. Just happened to me with six seconds.

1:04:07 It's also funny to post that, like, pretty much exactly a year after peak 6-7.

1:04:12 Yeah. It's all about timing. Amazing work from Kyle. I've been enjoying, somebody retweeted, the 30 Rock homonym games. Do you remember that? Where it's a game show... where they're like, okay, stare. And they're like, okay, the thing you want. Nope, it's the other one. It's just so fucking great. So go watch those.

1:04:38 That'll give you a.

1:04:39 Brief moment of respite. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien, Blue Sky, Jack OB1. Instagram, Jack underscore O underscore Brian. You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it. And there at the bottom, you will find the footnotes. It's where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think that people might enjoy?

1:05:06 Yeah, this is a track from the producer Stoic, who's done stuff, like produced stuff for like Dochi or Mick Jenkins, a bunch of really great artists. This is Stoic featuring Mick Jenkins.

1:05:18 And the track is called Heat Up.

1:05:20 And Stoic's, like, production style, like, it feels like sample-based kind of, like, sort of hip-hop-y production, but there's a lot of real instruments being played, but just sort of assembled in a way that gives you that very familiar kind of boom-bap-y sort of new age-y feel. This is a great track, so check it out. It's called Heat Up, Stoic, featuring Mick Jenkins.

1:05:39 All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this week. Morning. We're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and.

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