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One hour from now, we are live. We're in Los Angeles. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be watching or listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Listen, I want to be a positive guy. Optimistic Colin. I don't like to start a show with negativity. That's not how I roll. But how is it possible that With Tanner McKee, that Philly led the Cowboys midway in the third. They got 23 first downs, three for three in the red zone. Almost had 30 minutes time of possession and 5.2 yards of play. How is that possible? Saquon Barkley was on one leg. He was limping by the second carry. And it's Tanner McKee.

Lane Johnson retired. They traded their center. Devontae Smith is out. How is that game competitive? The Cowboys defense should not be this bad. They've allowed 20-plus points in 14 straight games. That is, by a long shot, the longest bad defensive streak in the NFL. 14 straight games. Next, worst, the Chargers at six. And they went and got Joey Porter for a top pick. Their first two picks in the draft were defensive picks. Quinnen Williams, Rashawn Gary, overshown his back.

How is it this bad?

I don't understand it.

I looked this morning, rushing yards allowed per game, 31st yards per drive, yards per play, third down percentage, like bottom of the league. I know the offense is good. I know Dak's going to get Hall of Fame votes. CeeDee Lamb could be a Hall of Famer. George Pickens. I know that stuff. But here's the other thing. And it seems so obvious to me. I don't want to be negative. When your defense isn't good. What do you do to hide the defense? Ask yourself, what's Ben Johnson do in Chicago to hide the Bears defense? Run, run, run, run, run.

Dallas doesn't. Remember that game against Green Bay? Remember that game? After a rushing touchdown, Shottie called 37 of the next 38 plays were passes. So he's not protecting the defense. First of all, the defense should be better. I don't understand why it's not. It has to be coaching. But to protect a defense, Javante Williams should do what he did last night. Every single game, 25 carries. Because that guy's a dog. He's good. But Dallas' defense gave up three 75-yard drives. Three 75-yard drives to Tanner McKee and a one-legged Saquon Barkley. Seven games in, they're three and four.

The good news, the schedule gets real light. But they gave up a lot of draft capital. Caleb Downs was a great college player. Joey Porter's a great player. Overshown. I mean, until he made that interception with about eight minutes left in the fourth, until that interception, I'm thinking, is Philly going to drive down? and make this a field goal game? What am I watching? So not only is Dallas' defense underachieving relative to the money and draft capital they've spent on it. But Shottie can't figure out how to hide a defense. Go watch some Bears games.

Ben Johnson, what do they do? A lot of short passes. Get completions. Keep the clock going. Run the football. So last night, Dallas, to their credit, ran the ball 38 times. They leaned into it. There are numbers out in the NFL right now that are staggering. If your quarterback throws over 40 times, and I don't care if it's Burrow or Mahomes, you lose. You lose. So last night, the encouraging thing is, yeah, Javante Williams, your whole line's good.

Run the ball. I mean, that Green Bay game, 37 of 38 calls, pass plays. What are we doing? So, you know, listen, there's a disturbing trend with Dallas this year. They've beaten teams that are 5-14-1, and they're 0-3 against teams with winning records. The last time they were really good against, like, playoff-level teams was that 2022 Cowboy team when they had, you know, the best coaching staff they've had in, like, 20 years, where they had Mike McCarthy, Dan Quinn, Kellen Moore. That's a good staff. That's a playoff staff. So we don't have that now. But I'm watching this thing, and I'm like, okay, I don't want to be Mr. Negative here, but we're midway in the third, Philadelphia's dead team walking, Sirianni's in trouble, Saquon's limping, no

Devontae Smith, the O-line's a shell of itself. And I'm like, thank God for Overshone's athletic interception. That game to me was way too close. And if your defense is underachieving, and it is for Dallas, whatever, I think it's coaching, then you've got to protect it. You've got to protect your defense, and you do that with what the Bears and Ben Johnson are doing. Eat up the clock, short completions, shorten the game, run the ball. So like Dallas running 38 times last night, thank you. They should be doing that every week, every week. And here is Dak after.

It's not about our process through the week. We do things right. We prepare the right way. We've got great attitudes. Great brotherhood shows. We just got to come out and earn it and win it on Sunday. Nobody's going to give it to us. Nobody's going to say, yeah, you're the better team.

You've got it.

That's what's so great about the NFL. And so we've got to come out and earn it each and every week. And there's going to be no difference come next Sunday.

All right.

The World Series isn't over yet, but it is over. And I'm watching the Brewers annihilate the Rays last night. And it reminded me of a football team that we all watched last year. Hear me out. Last night, the Brewers had an eight-run inning in the World Series. It reminded me of the Seattle Seahawks last year, where I kept saying, turn the sound down. The Seahawks look different.

This team, Milwaukee, only had two All-Stars this year, Contreras and Mizroski. The Seahawks last year only had one All-Pro, JSN. The Seahawks were a young team with one old guy, but mostly a roster full of young guys in their primer going into it. And it took the Seahawks until about Thanksgiving to catch fire. Well, the Brewers started this season 13 and 12. They were a young team. They did not take over the division until late May. Didn't take over the division for good until late May. And then they got hot. They are 25-4 in their last 29.

They've won seven straight games against the Dodgers and the Rays. And remember that Seahawks team at the end of last year? They weren't beating teams. They were humiliating the 49ers. Humiliating the Patriots in the Super Bowl. They were suffocating. I'm watching Milwaukee last night. That's what they do. Every at-bat's a good one. One through nine. Turn the sound down.

They are not just a good baseball team. Not just a team in the World Series. This could be the best team in 25 years. I'm not joking. They are the Seahawks. Very young. Took them a while to get hot. And now the belief and the speed and all these, they both have one old, Christian Yelich is the one old guy from Milwaukee. Leonard Williams is the one old guy.

Both can still be productive. Both past their prime, but worth the money. Both teams are led by a great front office. John Snyder of the Seahawks is the best college drafting GM in the league, so they don't have to reach on free agents. The Milwaukee Brewers, I looked this morning, have the number one rated farm system, so they don't have to reach on free agents. A young team that is relentless. We always say that about Seattle.

Only team in the NFL with no hole. You can like Kansas City. They've got holes. You can like the Niners. They're old. Seattle's got no hole. Milwaukee's bullpen. Everybody's great. One through nine. Every at-bat is good. And I grew up with a team in the mid-70s, the Cincinnati Reds. And it was 1976. They swept the NLCS. and they swept the World Series. That was the Pete Rose, Joel Morgan, George Foster, Johnny Bench, Tony Perez, Ken Griffey Sr., Dave Concepcion, Cesar Geronimo. That team was, that's my favorite team growing up.

They dominated, and the National League had great teams. The Pirates, the Phillies, the Cardinals, the Dodgers. They swept the NLCS. They swept the World Series. That's what we're looking at. I mean, I'm rooting for Milwaukee now. I want to watch history. And that team was called the Big Red Machine.

And I think we'll call Milwaukee the Brunicorns. Okay, it's a little cringy. But what you're watching here is historic. You are watching a baseball team. Where's the hole? Everybody out of the bullpen. Everybody can rake. Everybody can hit. Both great executive suites. Mike McDonald, Pat Murphy, kind of low-key for football coaches, respected by players, unique journeys. This is not just a good team. Look at their postseason numbers for the TV audience. They're number one in everything.

And in some, by a wide margin. Here's Pat Murphy after blowing out. Think about this. The Rays swept the Yankees. How far are the Yankees from Milwaukee?

The Rays.

Rays hot knife through margarine through the Yankees. And Tampa doesn't even stack up. Here's Pat Murphy after.

Whether it's one out, two out, whatever it is. I mean, the guys play hard. You know, it's evident the guys play hard. They just, you know, they don't give in. And they make every pitch count. It looks like we're in the driver's seat, but that doesn't, you know, it's baseball. Anything can happen. But I like the way we battle.

If we're not going to have a great seven-game World Series... Let's have a historic one. This is a historically great baseball team that is really humiliating the Dodgers. I mean, a sweep, and it wasn't competitive. And what they're doing to dismantle the Rays, and the Rays are good. The Rays are well-run. It's like eye-opening stuff. It's the 76 Reds.

This will match that if they can win tonight. So if I'm not getting a seven-game series, I'll take history. All right, so. Again, I'm trying to be positive. I mean, I compare the Brewers to the Seahawks. I'm trying to be positive. And I want to be positive with Lamar Jackson. But during the offseason, I said, OK, I'm kind of done with Lamar being a Super Bowl quarterback. It's not going to happen. It's getting weird. He's never available. Have you been paying attention the last week? What's going on now?

This thing is. It's odd. And the stuff that doesn't happen with quarterbacks in the NFL is happening all the time. That's coming up.

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Listen, it's an offensive league in Cincinnati. Joe Burrow right now, 72% completion percentage, second and passer rating, offensive coach, two great receivers, top five scoring offense. Listen, they lost to the Steelers and the Jags. I don't think they're a Super Bowl team, but I do think they went and bought a defensive front.

It's better. They dogged Baltimore this weekend. Clearly the better team. I'll put Joe Burrow and the guys at 10.

Number nine.

Listen, the Rams are out gaining their opponents by over 97 yards. It's number one in the league. This weekend, they finally look like the Rams. I'd like to see Miles Garrett, Puka, Devontae Adams banged up as they are prone to be. But I did think the tight end usage, Stafford had an extra beat to throw. They look like a team that could make a playoff run. Rams still have egregiously bad special teams. So I put them at nine.

Number eight.

Listen, the Broncos have only lost to the Chiefs and the Niners. They are 4-0 in one-score games, but they are terrible on third down offensively. And I don't care if I like your coach, if I love your roster, bad third down teams end up being weak or below average playoff teams. I put Denver at eight.

Number seven.

The Lions, weird win over Green Bay, number one passing offense. It's their first win this year, however, scoring less than 30 points. And if Green Bay could catch, they would have gotten close to it. Their offensive line is excellent. Jared Goff needs that. We all love Jamison Williams, Amaran St. Brown, Jameer Gibbs, Laporta. This is just, you know, 90% of their talent on offense. I do think Brian Branch coming back matters. He had a pick. I put Detroit at seven.

Number six.

Well, for the fourth straight week, I have the Buffalo Bills at number. No, that I didn't do. I did five yet.

Oh, yeah.

My bad. Bills at six. Number one scoring offense. But there are twenty nine points. Five times they've given up. 29 points. So again, I feel like it's a little bit like the Lions with a mobile quarterback. They got to score a lot to win. I don't think you can win a Super Bowl with that secondary. So trading deadline, Seahawks just made a move.

I'm the Bills.

I make a move at the deadline, which is in a couple of weeks.

Number five.

Yeah, I forgot how to count. Kansas City's at number five. Listen, they had a lousy game in Seattle, and I think Seattle's the best team in the league. You just throw it away. I do worry about the wide receivers, and I'm sorry, and it's not just Kenneth Walker. I just don't like this receiving core. I don't trust it. But this was the first team in the Super Bowl era to have no rushes of 10 yards, no completions of 20, no red zone drives, no touchdown and multiple missed field goals.

That was an awful performance. They rarely have them. Burn the tape. I still think they're a team that can get to a conference championship. And if they're healthy, maybe more.

Number four.

I think I saw him play live. I think it's the most underrated team in the league. Top 10 in offense and defense. And that's with A.J.

Brown.

Just not being anything.

A.J.

Brown's going to get better. Now, he may, I'm not saying he's going to be A.J. Brown, but he will become something more than he is now. I think Travion Henderson has been a disappointment as a second round pick out of Ohio State. I just like their coaching. I think Drake May is really special. You'll watch him live.

He's not working with a ton. I think they're underrated. I think they can win in cold weather. I have him at four.

Number three.

The Bears. Listen, they're 3-0 average and 40 a game when Caleb plays, start to finish. They're a big play offense. They can also run, so they're built to play in cold weather. The last two games, Caleb's 75% completion percentage. I think they need a rush end. I think they should go after Khalil Mack of the Chargers. I really do.

If the Chargers lose, I'd go get draft picks. This team feels like... They're just missing one edge piece. I get the coach. I get the run game. I get Josh Allen at quarterback without the interceptions. Bears at three.

Number two.

They're falling apart. Don't take much from the loss. Their schedule lightens up. Brock Purdy, I mean, he's throwing to backups to backups. Christian McCaffrey off the bye will be available. I don't worry too much about it. But I do think when I do the herd hierarchy, you have to consider everything. And they're old. And the number one team just got better, and they're not old.

Number one.

Seattle's got a better defense. Seattle is younger. Younger players get hurt less, and when they get hurt, they recover more quickly. Quentin Nelson with Gray Zabel gives you two world-class guards. What Seattle is telling you with that move is, listen. We don't know if Jadarian Price and Charbonnet are going to combine to be Kenneth Walker. So we're going to upgrade the interior O-line to guarantee a viable run game.

Because we got a recipe, and it got us a ring, and the Niners are falling apart, and the Rams and the Packers are not as good as everybody thought in the NFC. So I love the move. And I said this about the Brewers, and I'll say it about the Seahawks. When you turn the sound down, some teams just look different.

And Kansas City hasn't played that bad in, like, ever since. There's only one team in the league that can make Kansas City look like that, and that is Seattle.

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All right, so let me just start with the Chiefs. I would like to compliment you and thank you for not being one of the Pollyannas that are like, oh, my God, the sky is falling in Kansas City. I understand they looked awful, and they got blown out. You know they hadn't lost a regular season game by three scores in five years?

Yeah.

And so we're not, Mahomes has now lost five games in his whole career by three plus scores, two Super Bowls, sadly, two games in 2021 on Sunday night. And Kansas City looked bad, and Patrick didn't play well, and all of it. But I agree with you wholeheartedly that that was more about a rested... almost desperate, certainly needed to win Seahawks team saying, we are not losing again at home on Sunday night football than it was about everything that's wrong with Kansas City. They probably need to add a receiver.

Maybe they follow Seattle's lead. They traded for a guy, a great player in Quentin Nelson today. Maybe the Chiefs follow that in the next couple weeks. But I agree with you that Sunday was more about the winner than it was about the loser. My only other critique is, i think you have a team at four in new england that got beat 35 to 6 by a team in jacksonville that's not in your top 10 that seems a little unfair to the jaguars and trevor lawrence and liam go it.

Well i told my guys i always preface it when i give it my staff looks at me i said jacksonville's 11 I like Jacksonville. They get a little loose with penalties. I think Jacksonville's very good. I want to say this about the Seahawks, though, adding Quentin Nelson. So what they're basically telling you is, listen, we lost Kenneth Walker.

We know Sam Darnold play action can win a Super Bowl. We watched it. But Sam, without play action, the picks come back. And so what I think they're telling you is Charbonnet is coming back, but he gets banged up. Price is good. He's not special. So we're going to make our own line even better than last year. And that will we I think what they're telling you is we've watched the Rams. The Niners are getting beat up and the Packers aren't as good as we thought. The Eagles are falling apart. I think part of Seattle's move, Nick, is we're watching all these top AFC NFC teams and they're not as good as we thought they would be.

Let's go for it. That's what it feels like to me.

Listen, I support it wholeheartedly. I think they are looking at the NFC and saying, we can be the best team again. We can do what we in Seattle did more than a decade ago, which was had a quarterback that people had question marks about. Now, Russ ended up being a great quarterback, but people thought that was defense running game and we can be a good enough overall team to get to back-to-back Super Bowls. I think this is a relatively speaking low risk trade that a, a list contender absolutely should go for. And when they look at it as we played the Niners once already, that was a good close game that came down to the finish.

We're going to get them again. So we'll see how it looks when we play them a second time. I, I like their chances to at least split with them. I don't think they are eliminated from the division and, And then they look at the to me, the NFC is the Niners, the Seahawks and the NFC North with the Rams hanging on by a thread. Right. And I think Seattle says if we are going to get if the Rams end up turning it around, it will in part be cut be because Miles Garrett comes back and that D line is ferocious. The Vikings obviously have a ferocious defense, and I think the Seahawks are saying, we have to make sure we can protect Darnold. I love the trade for them. I don't know if I would yet have them number one in the league, but I

do think, your point, I think they are the only team in the league that defense could have done that to Kansas City on Sunday night. That's a special defense, and they're going for it as they should as the defending champs.

Yeah, it's almost like the Rays swept the Yankees. They're very good. Milwaukee's humiliating them. They swept the dot. There are teams, and I compared them earlier, Brewers, Seattle, which is they got hot later in the season, and you're like, now they're humiliating people. Sometimes you have to chalk it up to on the road, desperate team, they're good, and it's like, throw the tape away. J.J. McCarthy was the one quarterback out of his draft. I liked Pennix. I liked everybody. I liked Bo Nix more than people. I liked Jaden. But with J.J. McCarthy, I said, it was more Harbaugh than it was him. It was more Blake Corm.

It was more defense. Well, now he gets another hardball and I'm watching Sunday and I'm like, okay, those are, those are big boy throws. This is not turning in heroes. And I'm like, scataboo is say what you want is odd. And, and unstable as that will be over the course of 10 years for now. And Sunday, that's hard to tackle.

Am I just wrong on JJ McCarthy? Cause that was not a mirage. Those were big time throws. Well, if you're wrong on J.J.

McCarthy, luckily for you, so was a third of the league and the team that knew him best. As excited as the Giants should be about what they saw from J.J., that's how nervous every person of power within the Vikings should be right now. If J.J. McCarthy ends up being a legitimate, the guy they draft, like think about this decision flow. We have Kirk Cousins. We're consistently in the mix.

We need to get better. We're going to draft a quarterback, move on from Cousins.

Fine.

Quarterback gets hurt. Our backup, Sam Darnold, wins 14 games. Looks amazing. We believe in JJ so much, we're going to move on from Sam Darnold. The next year, he plays half the season. You sour on him so much. You're like, Kyler Murray, come in and compete for the job. But it's your job immediately. And JJ can be had by anyone in the league. If that player ends up being really good. And meanwhile, the Vikings, the biggest question mark is, is Kyler holding them back? It's a catastrophe.

But as bad as it is for the Vikings, if I am the ownership of the Browns or the Jets or the Cardinals, I'm calling my GM in and I'm like, We couldn't have traded a fourth-round pick for this player? If he ends up being good, it's a disaster for so many teams, most notably the Vikings. And for the Giants, it would be an unbelievable problem to have if all of a sudden they have two high-upside young quarterbacks. I'm not ready yet to say that last week was who he is. But he's making a hell of a second first impression in the league so far. That was a great game. And I think also, bonus take, Colin, I think it killed the Texans. Yeah. I think the Texans are a scratch off now. I don't think there's coming

back from this start.

So I said this, and I was a little too braggy, but I said, oh. I said, before the season, I said, Caleb will be a top three quarterback in the league. It'll be Allen, Mahomes, some order, and Caleb by the end of the year. It just will be. And I went and watched them live last week. And my takeaway was, he's Josh Allen without the occasional egregious mistake. With Josh in a lot.

Of big games. That would be pretty good.

I'm not joking. And I watch him. And the fact that now in a clean pocket, he's Brady. The numbers are ridiculous. I think it's one of these things where we don't want to say it. I think we are looking at kind of a A Jordan-esque, like a guy that you get a lot of upside and not a lot of downside. And by the way, Michael Jackson got Quincy Jones. And MJ only won big with Phil Jackson.

Part of this component is, you know, LeBron never got the coach. Spolster was darn close, and they got to four. But I think the Ben Caleb thing, I honestly believe this. It's going to be 10 years and trophies. I believe that.

So, listen, I think that it's, you know, I got a lot of flack five years ago. Was it five years ago? God, I'm old. When he was a sophomore in college and I ranked him as the sixth best quarterback alive, I think, on Mahomes Mountain. So I thought from the moment he walked on the field in the Red River shootout as a freshman at Oklahoma and turned that game around, and then what he did at USC, I just thought the combination of doesn't throw picks, crazy athleticism, one of the strongest arms in the world.

It's insane. It's insane.

It was just totally unique. It's one of the reasons why I dislike so much how much rabbit ears he seems to have about what is said about him, only because I think that's one of the only things that could at least temporarily derail him is getting too caught up in some of the noise surrounding him. He is a unique talent. I called him when he was coming out of school, Mahomes 2.0, not better than Patrick, but the evolution of crazy arm angles, crazy arm talent. He is faster than Patrick. And so I think that I think I said to you that going into the year.

If the whole league were free agents, my draft picks would go like and you could have anybody. It would go moving forward. Patrick, Josh, Caleb. I think we were in lockstep on that. And I think that he has only buttressed that point. So let me can I ask you a question? And again, I'm not, I won't hold you to this, but are you looking at Monday night football as a potential NFC championship game preview? It is.

San Francisco is great every September, and then whether it's the substation or they have old players, they'll fall apart. So I'm watching. That is the NFC Championship, which, by the way.

That's what I thought you were thinking.

It's probably the Super Bowl, like last year. It feels like I don't trust the Chiefs receiving core. I just don't in a big game. By the way, I don't know what's going on at left tackle, and I don't want no supposition. Okay, I got to throw this. I want to give you a LeBron talk. So sometimes divorces, both teams win. I said before LeBron went to Philly, I said there's only one choice. You have to protect your defensive liabilities. You have to choose Philly. It's the only choice. Veteran coach, Jalen Brown, B.J. Edgecombe, you've got a rim protector. Philly's the only choice. Don't put your career in Donovan Mitchell and Harden. Quirky, don't play defense.

So it's been good for him. It clearly works. He's the stabilizing EQ, IQ force of a great roster. But I said yesterday, and this is not a criticism. Part of being LeBron is his presence is so ubiquitous. It just steals so much oxygen. The Lakers are better without him. They can afford a rim protector and a couple of decent wings, and there is now a clear pecking order.

Like it or not, Luka one, Austin two. That could never be with LeBron. LeBron's presence, not that it's burdensome, but the Lakers were actually right.

It's a lot.

They were right moving off him. They looked like a team that could win a playoff series.

I mean, they were a team that won a playoff series last year without Luka and without Austin, thanks to the 41-year-old. I mean, thanks to the 41-year-old who just carried them as a huge underdog. They did win a playoff series. So better off? I don't know. They made round two last year. We'll see if they go to the conference finals this year. I love Luka. And given the all-of-a-sudden... You know, pretty sad. I'd say that totally sincerely, by the way. Like, sad injuries that Oklahoma City suffered. Oh, brutal.

And given, I mean, just awful. And you feel sick for Jalen Williams, who's just had some terrible injury luck. So they all of a sudden are shakier, given the fact that somebody hypnotized Victor Wimbinyama. into thinking he should model his game after Kevin Durant, who's half a foot shorter than him at 100%. That's 100 out of 100 for folks who are confused about percentages, by the way. 100% of a better shooter than him, as opposed to modeling his game after Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, which is what he should do.

The Spurs are maybe a little shakier, so I am giving the Lakers a real shot because I have seen Luka, with a roster similar to this one, make the Finals. With Austin playing the Kyrie role, Walker Kessler playing the rotating Daniel Gafford role, I see it happening. My beef with the Lakers is I don't think they maximized the last few years of the LeBron tenure, but I do understand them wanting... to totally turn the team over to Luka, which, to your point, was just going to be impossible from almost a media and narrative perspective with the greatest athlete to ever live still being on his team.

Nick Wright, how'd you do this weekend? I had another good one. How'd you do this weekend?

Well, you know, I was going to win a $ 21 million survivor contest, Colin. We were down to 1,000 people. I had the third most valuable entry, and I put my fate in Aaron Glenn and the New York Jets' hands. So I did not do well. And I knew I was going to regret that 98% of the time, which is 98 out of 100. Good to see you, Colin.

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