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We've got a good one today. Nick Wright, Joel Klatt, Herd Hierarchy. One hour from now, we are live. We're in Los Angeles. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be watching or listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Listen, I want to be a positive guy. Optimistic Colin. I don't like to start a show with negativity. That's not how I roll.

But how is it possible that With Tanner McKee, that Philly led the Cowboys midway in the third. They got 23 first downs, three for three in the red zone. Almost had 30 minutes time of possession and 5.2 yards of play. How is that possible? Saquon Barkley was on one leg. He was limping by the second carry. And it's Tanner McKee. Lane Johnson retired. They traded their center.

Devontae Smith is out. How is that game competitive? The Cowboys defense should not be this bad. They've allowed 20-plus points in 14 straight games. That is, by a long shot, the longest bad defensive streak in the NFL. 14 straight games. Next, worst, the Chargers at six. And they went and got Joey Porter for a top pick. Their first two picks in the draft were defensive picks. Quinnen Williams, Rashawn Gary, overshown his back. How is it this bad? I don't understand it.

I looked this morning, rushing yards allowed per game, 31st yards per drive, yards per play, third down percentage, like bottom of the league. I know the offense is good. I know Dak's going to get Hall of Fame votes. CeeDee Lamb could be a Hall of Famer. George Pickens. I know that stuff. But here's the other thing. And it seems so obvious to me. I don't want to be negative. When your defense isn't good, What do you do to hide the defense? Ask yourself, what's Ben Johnson do in Chicago to hide the Bears defense? Run, run, run, run, run.

Dallas doesn't. Remember that game against Green Bay? Remember that game? After a rushing touchdown, Shottie called 37 of the next 38 plays were passes. So he's not protecting the defense. First of all, the defense should be better. I don't understand why it's not. It has to be coaching. But to protect a defense... Javante Williams should do what he did last night. Every single game, 25 carries. Because that guy's a dog. He's good. But Dallas' defense gave up three 75-yard drives. Three 75-yard drives to Tanner McKee and a one-legged Saquon Barkley. Seven games in, they're 3-4. The good news, the schedule gets real light. But they gave up a lot of draft capital. Caleb Downs was a great college player. Joey Porter's a great player. I mean,

until he made that interception with about eight minutes left in the fourth, until that interception, I'm thinking, is Philly going to drive down and make this a field goal game? What am I watching? So not only is Dallas's defense underachieving relative to the money and draft capital they've spent on it, But Shottie can't figure out how to hide a defense. Go watch some Bears games. Ben Johnson, what do they do? A lot of short passes. Get completions.

Keep the clock going. Run the football. So last night, Dallas, to their credit, ran the ball 38 times. They leaned into it. There are numbers out in the NFL right now that are staggering. If your quarterback throws over 40 times, and I don't care if it's Burrow or Mahomes, you lose. You lose. So last night, the encouraging thing is, yeah, Javante Williams, your O-line's good. Run the ball. I mean, that Green Bay game, 37 of 38 calls, pass plays.

What are we doing? So, you know, listen, there's a disturbing trend with Dallas this year. They've beaten teams that are 5-14-1, and they're 0-3 against teams with winning records. The last time they were really good against, like, playoff-level teams was that 2022 Cowboy team when they had, you know, the best coaching staff they've had in, like, 20 years, where they had Mike McCarthy, Dan Quinn, Kellen Moore. That's a good staff. That's a playoff staff. So we don't have that now. But I'm watching this thing, and I'm like, okay, I don't want to be Mr. Negative here, but we're midway in the third. Philadelphia's dead team walking, Sirianni's in trouble, Saquon's limping, no Devontae Smith, the O-line's a shell of itself.

And I'm like, thank God for Overshone's athletic interception. That game to me was way too close. And if your defense is underachieving, and it is for Dallas, whatever, I think it's coaching, then you've got to protect it. You've got to protect your defense, and you do that with what the Bears and Ben Johnson are doing. Eat up the clock, short completions, shorten the game, run the ball.

So like Dallas running 38 times last night, thank you. They should be doing that every week, every week. And here is Dak after.

It's not about our process through the week. We do things right. We prepare the right way. We've got great attitudes. Great brotherhood shows. We just got to come out and earn it and win it on Sunday. Nobody's going to give it to us. Nobody's going to say, yeah, you're the better team.

You've got it.

That's what's so great about the NFL. And so we've got to come out and earn it each and every week. And there's going to be no difference come next Sunday.

All right. The World Series isn't over yet, but it is over. And I'm watching the Brewers annihilate the Rays last night. And it reminded me of a football team that we all watched last year. Hear me out. Last night, the Brewers had an eight-run inning in the World Series. It reminded me of the Seattle Seahawks last year, where I kept saying, turn the sound down. The Seahawks look different.

This team, Milwaukee, only had two All-Stars this year, Contreras and Mizoroski. The Seahawks last year only had one All-Pro, JSN. The Seahawks were a young team with one old guy, but mostly a roster full of young guys in their primer going into it. And it took the Seahawks until about Thanksgiving to catch fire. Well, the Brewers started this season 13 and 12. They were a young team. They did not take over the division until late May. Didn't take over the division for good until late May. And then they got hot. They are 25-4 in their last 29.

They've won seven straight games against the Dodgers and the Rays. And remember that Seahawks team at the end of last year? They weren't beating teams. They were humiliating the 49ers. Humiliating the Patriots in the Super Bowl. They were suffocating. I'm watching Milwaukee last night. That's what they do. Every at-bat's a good one. One through nine. Turn the sound down.

They are not just a good baseball team. Not just a team in the World Series. This could be the best team in 25 years. I'm not joking. They are the Seahawks. Very young. Took them a while to get hot. And now the belief and the speed and all these, both have one old, Christian Yelich is the one old guy from Milwaukee. Leonard Williams is the one old guy.

Both can still be productive. Both past their prime, but worth the money. Both teams are led by a great front office. John Snyder of the Seahawks is the best college drafting GM in the league, so they don't have to reach on free agents. The Milwaukee Brewers, I looked this morning, have the number one rated farm system, so they don't have to reach on free agents. A young team that is relentless. We always say that about Seattle.

Only team in the NFL with no hole. You can like Kansas City. They've got holes. You can like the Niners. They're old. Seattle's got no hole. Milwaukee's bullpen. Everybody's great. One through nine. Every at-bat is good. And I grew up with a team in the mid-70s, the Cincinnati Reds. And it was 1976. They swept the NLCS. and they swept the World Series. That was the Pete Rose, Joel Morgan, George Foster, Johnny Bench, Tony Perez, Ken Griffey Sr., Dave Concepcion, Cesar Geronimo. That team was, that's my favorite team growing up.

They dominated, and the National League had great teams, the Pirates, the Phillies, the Cardinals, the Dodgers. They swept the NLCS. They swept the World Series. That's what we're looking at. I mean, I'm rooting for Milwaukee now. I want to watch history. And that team was called the Big Red Machine, and I think we'll call Milwaukee the Brunicorns. Okay, it's a little cringy, but what you're watching here is historic.

You are watching a baseball team. Where's the hole? Everybody out of the bullpen. Everybody can rake. Everybody can hit. Both great executive suites. Mike McDonald, Pat Murphy, kind of low-key for football coaches, respected by players, unique journeys. This is not just a good team. Look at their postseason numbers for the TV audience. They're number one in everything.

And in some, by a wide margin. Here's Pat Murphy after blowing out. Think about this. The Rays swept the Yankees. How far are the Yankees from Milwaukee? The Rays hot knife through margarine through the Yankees. And Tampa doesn't even stack up. Here's Pat Murphy after.

Whether it's one out, two out, whatever it is. I mean, the guys play hard. You know, it's evident the guys play hard. They just, you know, they don't give in. And they make every pitch count. It looks like we're in the driver's seat, but that done, you know, it's baseball.

Anything can happen. But I like the way we battle. If we're not going to have a great seven-game World Series... Let's have a historic one. This is a historically great baseball team that is really humiliating the Dodgers. I mean, a sweep, and it wasn't competitive. And what they're doing to dismantle the Rays, and the Rays are good. The Rays are well-run. It's like eye-opening stuff. It's the 76 Reds.

This will match that if they can win tonight. So if I'm not getting a seven-game series, I'll take history. All right, so... Again, I'm trying to be positive. I mean, I compare the Brewers to the Seahawks. I'm trying to be positive. And I want to be positive with Lamar Jackson. But during the offseason, I said, OK, I'm kind of done with Lamar being a Super Bowl quarterback. It's not going to happen. It's getting weird. He's never available. Have you been paying attention the last week? What's going on now?

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Welcome back. It's Halloween week at FS1. So years and years ago, it's probably about 10 years ago, I said the closest thing I'd seen to kind of Michael Jordan's was if you combine Kobe Bryant's offense with Kawhi Leonard's strength, hand size and defense. I thought Kawhi was that good. I thought he was he had become in the NBA like the best get a shot, get a stop guy in the league. But, you know, more information. He just kept getting weirder and weirder and odder and odder. And it's never ended. This just came down. Shams. Kawhi Leonard of the Raptors is expected to miss a period of weeks due to swelling in his left knee. Yet the MRI on Leonard's knee showed no structural damage. It never ends.

I mean, it never ends. And so new information. He just over the last nine, 10 years. I mean, I read a story this morning. Lamar Jackson is working his butt off to get back. I said during the offseason, I'm done with Lamar as a Super Bowl quarterback. He's talented. It's too noisy. It's too weird. Kawhi's got Uncle Dennis, and then Lamar's got his mom still negotiating. I'm not saying either is wrong, but they're different. Nobody else's mom is negotiating a deal. He's missed 19 games since 2021, and it's weird. Lamar's been day-to-day for a month. Tracy Wolfson said this weekend she was the sideline reporter in the Ravens-Bengals game. She tweeted that Jackson not being able to play came as a shock to his team. Even

Jesse Minter said, well, that's a bit of a mischaracterization. So you find with Lamar now, they're doing what, you know, they're protecting him. They don't want to blow it up. They like him. And I'm not denying he's great. But I like my quarterbacks available, and I like my movies to have mystery, not my quarterbacks. And it's just a little odd, and it's noisy, and he's not available, and nobody gets answers, and he's sick. No, he's not. He's practicing, but he's not playing. And again, I like predictable with my quarterbacks. I like low maintenance. I like available. I don't want mystery. And you know, the Kawhi thing is not perfectly analogous because the Kawhi thing has been going on.

It feels like for eight, nine, 10 years. I mean, this morning, there's another Shams tweet. Like he'll be out for weeks. That means he'll be out for a couple of months and the MRI shows nothing. I don't, I mean, in the NFL, if a team thinks you're going to start, And they're shocked you don't. I don't even know where to go with that. I don't know where to go with it. And I think Lamar, I think he's a good kid. I think there's obviously like a lack of trust.

If you're using your mom in negotiations, maybe there's a lack of trust going on here outside the family. I can respect that. But I got such pushback when I said, guys, I'm just out. It's getting missing too many games. He's not available. It's getting odd. There's too much mystery. I just that's not a Super Bowl quarterback. Oh, the pushback's unbelievable.

I can't believe this has been the strangest season yet. He's day to day for a month. I don't he's supposed to start. He's talking to Jim Nance. He's talking to local media. That usually means you're playing, but he's not. I don't even know where to go with it. And Jesse Minter, you know, got a rookie coach. You got a first-time play caller. So I had said this season, I didn't understand Vegas having the Ravens at 11.5 wins over and under. I said, I don't get it. But I also didn't think they'd be a last-place team, you know, seven, eight weeks through the season. Just to give you an example of what's in last place in the NFL, Miami, Washington, New Orleans, Tennessee, Arizona Chargers, a lot of dysfunction. Baltimore

is a great owner, a great front office, excellent roster. I don't know if Jesse Minter's a great coach. Everybody blamed John Harbaugh for the deterioration of this relationship. Well, Harbaugh's in first place with J.J. McCarthy. That's all I know. I'm not saying they're going to stay there, but it doesn't look like it was all on John Harbaugh. I think Lamar's become, for an organization, some maintenance. And that's just not what you want at quarterback. A little noisy, a lot of maintenance, some mystery. It is odd to me.

Here's Jesse Minter on the latest status for Lamar.

Lamar's working his butt off to be back and be out there. I think he was able to get in a little bit of work, obviously, towards the end of last week.

So I think he'll be in.

A decent spot, but we'll know a lot more on Wednesday. I'm not going to speak really on the details of anybody's injury. So that's... Look, if he's able to play that's healthy enough to play and play the way that, you know, obviously we feel like he needs to play, then he will play.

We're getting to that word salad stuff where you just, is he available or not? Is he practicing or not? Is he ready to go? And I can just hear all the critics. Are you saying he's Kawhi Leonard? I'm saying it's getting weird. I don't want my NBA stars or my quarterbacks. I want availability. I don't want mystery.

I want answers. I know I'm asking a lot, but these quarterbacks now are $ 65 million players, and that's gobbled up 15% of your salary cap, and you're missing a lot of starts. To me, if there's a question mark on a regular basis about availability, that's not where you want to be with a quarterback. That's not where you want to be. J Mac with the news.

Let's go right from Lamar to the big game against Buffalo this weekend, Colin Buffalo three and a half point favorites. We don't know if Lamar is going to play yet or not, but we do know that Joe Brady is not thrilled with his bills. Listen, I get that they were on a buy, but he's out here complaining about reducing penalties and turnovers.

Take a listen to this.

I'm not happy with how the team's playing right now. right like we um it's uh you guys know me right i'm never happy i'm not this part of this part of who i am right i'm the competitive stamina that we have to get better and um you know offense defense special teams there's there's things we're leaving out there and um there's a standard that you know i need us to think differently and not be.

Okay with what the results and what the scoreboard showed.

And so um I don't mean that in a negative way, but if we just sit there and say, well, we're 5-1, then we're going to fool ourselves into thinking that all is right in the world.

Well, I think the New England loss was a bit of a wake-up call, but I have no problem with my coach. You know, Shoddy, your team's 3-4 and everything's great. This guy's got a great team, or a really good team, and he's like, I'm not happy. That's Saban-esque. I'm okay with that. I like, like we say this, there are good losses. There are losses where you're like, we're healthy, we're doing a lot of things right, we're getting better, and there are bad wins. Like Dallas last night, it's like, guys, you're in a dogfight with Tanner McKee. That's not where you want to be. So I think, I like the fact that Joe Brady's like, You know, we have a winning record. We're in first place. I don't like how

we're playing. I think that's great.

I mean, I like his sentiment, but Colin, he's saying we've got to reduce turnovers.

Look, they're.

League average in turnovers. It's not bad through six games. They're just not taking the ball away.

It's not great. It's not great.

And then I looked at the penalties, and their opponent this week is one of the worst in the league in penalties, Baltimore. Buffalo averaged through. So I wonder if players in the locker room look at that and are like.

What are you talking about? No, but remember, so they should be one of the least penalized teams. Why? Why? The coach is a veteran with a quarterback. The quarterback's a veteran. Cook's been in the league. The left tackle's been around forever. The tight ends have all been there. This is a veteran, highly compensated offense. They should be one of the three or four least penalized teams. It's not like I'll give teams a pass when they have, like Baltimore's got a new coach. They've got a new, oh, first time play caller. It's going to be kind of ugly in the first month because nobody plays in the preseason.

Like I'll give Baltimore penalty pass in the first month. But like with Dallas, again last night, eight or nine penalties. Shoddy's been here. Dak's been here. Seedy's been here. Pickens been here. Ferguson's been here. Like, guys, you can't have nine and ten penalties. I'll give you a break on penalties on Thursday night football. I think the Bears and the Patriots are really well coached. They had 19 penalties.

It's Thursday night football. It'll be like you and I doing a show on five minutes prep. Like, you're just not going to be as tight. But I think a team like, I think Joe Brady's point is, this is a veteran Super Bowl level offense. We can't have penalties. And I think he's absolutely right. I'll give young teams penalties.

All their best players offensively, Kincaid, Cook. Dawkins, I mean, they're veteran players.

I did like, so Harbaugh with the Giants came out and basically just said, yeah, Cam Scadaboo fumbled, he's getting benched. I would have preferred Brady came out and said, listen, Josh Allen cannot bail us out every week, guys.

We got James Cook putting the ball in the turf. Like, I mean, maybe take care of some James Cook.

But he's afraid to say that because he's a young coach who hasn't done anything.

I think the Giants, you could argue, have better depth at running back after Scadaboo. They got a little bit more in the cupboard. Maybe Buffalo feels like they don't. They had to move off some backup guys because, you know, they paid Josh and, you know, they pay for DJ more. So let's move on to the San Francisco 49ers.

They are on a bye this week after the loss to the Falcons. But the big one everybody's monitoring is Christian McCaffrey. Initially, they called it a thigh and now they're calling it a mild hamstring strain. So they are on a bye. It doesn't really matter right now. But they will need him back for that Raiders game in two weeks. And that's mostly because, Colin, Mike Evans is still on the shelf. Debo Samuel is hurt. Every wide receiver under the sun for San Francisco is hurt. This is something they've got to clean up. I don't know if a week is going to do it, but I would say the bye came at the best time for any team in the league.

The 49ers, for sure. Yeah, they're a really good football team. And they're also, they've become a very predictable football team where they are great in September and then... Stuff turns. By the end of last year, Seattle bulldozed them twice. Well, they were gassed, yeah. Yeah, well, they're beat up.

Beat up.

So that's why I always say with the Niners, let's not go crazy. I've seen this movie before, like six times. I feel that way.

Niners, Browns, Steelers, a lot of these guys, whether it's schedule or what, they look good early and are going to fade.

Let me ask you, though, about this.

Do you think the Niners would make a move at the deadline to go pluck— a wide receiver from the Colts? Do they look to fortify one of their offensive skill position players?

I keep saying the Denver Broncos have a lot of receivers. The Rams have extra receivers. Now, you're not going to get it from the Rams in division. But I think the teams to keep your eye on, the Chargers, could you go get a Trey Harris, a young guy who's not expensive? I don't know if they'd give him up.

Go to the Colts. Go to the Chargers. Maybe go to the Eagles. I think those teams are ready, especially after losing last night. I think Philadelphia is in the deal-making space. I think I looked it up this morning. The trading deadline is November 10th, which is a Tuesday. So it's two weeks exactly from today. Okay, so two weeks from today. So you still have time. I thought Philadelphia losing last night. You don't want to crush your locker room and sell off like you're the Chargers. Do you want to give up Derwin James and Khalil Mack?

Because you're not going to get them in the draft. So you don't want to come back next year and be like, yeah, we're bad at safety and bad at rush in. So I think you have to be delicate. But if I'm the Ravens, or excuse me, if I'm the Colts, for instance, I think they have some nice offensive pieces. I would give up Jonathan Taylor if I got a second round pick.

You know, you have to remember, you give up Taylor, that offense goes to total. I mean, it's already not good.

Colin, the Jets have the Colts first pick. That first round pick.

Currently, I believe it is sixth. Now, that could go. I mean, if you talk about maybe the number one pick, just handing it to my Jets.

Now, remember this. It's a new world in the NFL. The general managers are much younger. Last year, the trade deadline tied for the most deals made. So we are in a new league. This is not going to be quiet. I can guarantee you right now, the Chargers are moving somebody. The Colts are moving somebody. The Eagles are moving somebody.

It's wide open, too. It's wide open. And this has become the sport now. So I think there's a combination of things going on. The young GMs are making more moves. And the drafts are getting weaker because of NIL. So players are staying in college longer. The fifth, sixth, and seventh round of the drafts, they feel like special teams rounds now. That used to be like the seventh. So if the drafts are getting a little weaker in the middle and the end because guys are staying in college longer, the top is still good. The middle and the end is weaker. Why not give up? Fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round picks to get a guy like that can change an outcome in the playoffs. The Bears, Khalil Mack.

I know he's a former Bear. I think you have to consider it. I think you have to look at that.

I know in the NBA, we call it tanking, and the NBA just doesn't like that word.

I'm sorry.

I know Goodell is not going to like it, but don't. There's going to be teams tanking in the NFL.

That's just the move. Now, obviously, the guys you.

Bring up off practice squads are trying hard, and it's not a full-on tank, but the Colts are not incentivized to get to the playoffs.

They're not. They have no chance, Colin, right? Some of these teams are not winning. Well, the Jags. Eagles, you lose your quarterback.

It's over.

Yeah.

All right.

Let's move to the new England Patriots and AJ Brown. I don't know if you notice this. It's been back for two games and hasn't done a darn thing.

Yeah.

Really has not made that connection with Drake May over the last two weeks, six catches for 75 yards and they have him tracked as four drops. Some other outlets say five, but Mike Vrabel has no concerns about AJ struggles.

I thought that he dropped a few passes and then, you know, the other night there was a contested catch that I thought he, I've seen him make those plays in the past. I've seen those plays get called for DPI. And I've seen those plays be good plays by the defense down the field. So, you know, I don't think anybody has to press here or anything else. I think we just have to get back into a rhythm offensively with the.

Guys that we have. Well, again, 23 Patriots are first or second year players. They got to the Super Bowl last year, and when you put them on the same field of Seattle, it was not competitive, right? Like you could see one team had a different level of athlete. So they have addressed the last two years, first round.

They've addressed the O-line. I still think it's okay. They do not have a dominant number one receiver. If this is A.J. Brown, tight end or wide receiver or running back, Travion Henderson does not look like you thought he was going to look out of Ohio State. So I think this is a really, really good football team. I just don't think they're, I think they're not very explosive offensively.

So the A.J. Brown thing is really serious. Drake Mays, great. Saw him live. He's really special. But they don't, sometimes in the NFL, you just need a Jamar Chase to make a play, right? Like you just need a guy to make a play. CeeDee Lamb, just blow the game open. They don't have that guy if A.J. Brown's not what he wants. I wondered, are they in the mix for a potential trade? You mentioned Henderson.

He's coming off an injury because he was explosive last year, especially out of the backfield.

Stevenson, I don't love as much. I think Jonathan Taylor to the Patriots. Is really interesting.

I mean, if you're the Colts and you get a bidding war for Taylor, maybe you get a second or third for him.

But remember, they don't want to give up a ton of draft capital because they still have offensive holes. The O-line's okay. They need another tight end. They could use another receiver. The backs aren't great. So, I mean, I tend to think if you bring in a dominant back, it makes everybody better. I mean, we have real numbers right now that if you throw over 40 times, you lose the game. It doesn't matter how good your quarterback is.

So if you can get, like last night, Dax throwing 28 times. Oh, Cowboys scored 38 points. So Drake May is good. Can you imagine how good he'd be throwing it 26 times, not 34? It's that too high shell.

Everybody's playing it throughout the league and daring you to matriculate the ball down the field slowly. And teams are now saying, I'll just get running backs. Javante Williams had like a buck.

55 last night. We're just going to hammer you at the line of scrimmage, and it seems to be working. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herdline News. Okay, we've got our first deal. The Colts, Schefter, the Colts have agreed to send eight-time Pro Bowl guard Quentin Nelson to the Hawks.

He's on an expiring contract. The Colts, they want draft capital now before they could lose him in free agency. But that's an all-time Colt. So they went and got... Gray Zabel last year. So the Seahawks have Charles Cross at left tackle. Very good. Abraham Wright tackle. Good. Not as good as Charles Cross, but very good. They've got Gray Zabel, who's a monster. And you know what Seattle's saying?

Here's what Seattle's telling you. Okay, we don't know if Price and Charbonnet combined are going to be Kenneth Walker. But we're going to make our offensive line better to give Sam Darnold another beat. and guarantee that if Charbonnet and Price are there, we're going to have the best interior O-line or on a short list in the league.

So this Seattle roster, I believe right now it's the best in the NFL. They do not overpay in the market. They do not have to. Now, where does PFF have Quentin Nelson? He's got to be a top five guard. Third highest graded guard in the league. And the Seahawks have Gray Zabel, who has been a home-run first-round pick from two years ago. So Seattle's telling you, we think we missed Kenneth Walker, but we just blew out Kansas City with our No. 3, 4, and 5 backs. So we don't know how long Charbonnet lasts. He gets dinged up.

We don't know if Jadarian Price is great. But those two guys returning with Quentin Nelson and Gray Zabel... Because the numbers are clear with Seattle. When Sam Darnold has an above-average run game, his passer rating is 123 on play action. Darnold's problem this year has been they have no run game. Against the Chiefs, oh, Seattle had a run game. He outplayed Mahomes. I think it's a very smart move. You're basically saying we have a recipe that won a Super Bowl last year. We're not as explosive at running back. What can we do? We're going to get better on the interior O-line. The Colts are getting a third-round pick next year. Again, Seattle's roster does not have a lot of holes. They keep their first and second.

And a fifth-round pick in 2028. That's it?

That's it.

A third and a fifth for an all-pro guard? You have to pay him. Come on, he's an all-pro. Well, the other thing is that you don't have Graze Abel. You don't pay him. Darnold's on a very team-friendly deal. Jadarian Price is a rookie running back. So you paid JSN, check. You paid Witherspoon, check. And after that, you let Boye Moffay go. He's looking good, by the way, in Cincinnati. No, no, no.

He is a good player, but you have to make choices. Witherspoon, arguably best corner. We're keeping him. JSN, arguably top two receiver. We're keeping him. Darnold, team-friendly deal. Seattle's telling you, we have a formula. Darnold on play action equals Super Bowl. And they're looking around, by the way. John Snyder's looking around.

The Rams aren't as good as we thought. San Francisco's falling apart. Detroit, Green Bay, not as good as anybody thought. The other thing about having a dominant offensive line, just throw this out there, a dominant O-line in the NFC. You're going to have to face Caleb Williams. I'd rather he watch the game from the bench. Well, they have to face him this week, actually.

By the way, the left tackle cross injured high ankle sprain for Seattle, so he's going to be out a few weeks.

So now you got Nelson. I mean, that's a huge get back.

I'm just wondering, the Colts, Colin, so their owner jettisons the GM. She saw the writing on the wall. She's like, hey, we're tearing this puppy down. I don't want you doing it.

You're out. I'm doing it. This, to me, is a big tell. Jonathan Taylor is going to be on the move somewhere for sure. I think getting a third and a fifth is fine because you do have to pay him, and teams generally don't want to pay interior linemen. You do if it's a Joe Tooney. You do if it's Quentin Nelson. Again, here's the advantage. Seattle has drafted so well that they can afford it. They can keep paying Leonard Williams.

And the Colts need the draft capital for what they gave up for Sauce Gardner. Oh, so remember Christian McCaffrey went from Panthers to Niners. I think it was a third, fourth, fifth and other stuff. I wonder if they could get a major hole for Jonathan Taylor. If there's a bidding war among Broncos, Packers, Seahawks, whoever, can you maybe get a second, third, fourth?

Seattle makes almost no mistakes on personnel. They make, I mean, first of all, nobody has drafted better for five years. They got off DK Metcalf at the right time, yeah. Perfect time. Nobody makes mistakes. Boye, Mafe, they knew they were losing a good player. They knew they were losing him, but they needed Witherspoon and JSN. Darn old team-friendly deal.

The guy they lost in the secondary to the Eagles. What was his name?

He was good.

27.

Woolen.

Woolen. Tariq Woolen. He's not been amazing. He's been fine. He's a risk taker. He sometimes was kind of on an island doing his own thing. He didn't fit in the Seahawks culture. Really talented guy. Yeah, Tariq Woolen. It's going to be exciting. Two weeks. A lot of trades coming.

Probably, right?

John Snyder did not wait.

How about if the Chargers lose to the Rams this week? They're seven-point dogs, early money on Chargers. Do they say, like you said, hey, open season, what do.

You guys want? I think Khalil Mack, Derwin James, those are game changers. Here's the other thing with Khalil Mack. He has a reputation. He's good in the room. So Khalil Mack is very good with young players. His reputation inside the Charger building is he's been a very good locker room guy. So you're not bringing kind of an independent, I'm going to get sacks. You're getting a guy that players respect. He's got a good work ethic. That's a lot.

Like Quentin Nelson, interior lineman, no BS, no ego, comes in head down. When you are a very good team and you're bringing people in the trade deadline, what you don't want is disruptive. What you don't want is an ego. Quentin Nelson, you're not going to hear a peep. Jonathan Taylor's a guy like that. I mean, Jonathan Taylor, you know, running backs are, they have an opinion because nobody wants to give them a second deal. New England, like if you're watching Seattle now and you're San Francisco, do you make a move?

Yeah. Well, also keep an eye on the Saints with Alvin Kamara, who could be a valuable chip in the postseason if the Saints lose again this weekend after the season.

And by the way, with Seattle losing some of their players, they're going to have five compensatory picks. So that fifth round pick they lost, they'll get it right back. You know, this year they'll have five compensatory picks.

And remember, last year their moves really were crucial. Rashid Shahid was an absolute home run.

So maybe you're right.

You've got Schneider pushing all the right buttons in the Northwest.

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So.

It's one thing if your brother, who you competed with, doesn't mean you don't love him, but your brother is more successful than you. That's one thing. But if he moves next to you, and you see the nicer car, and you see the nicer house, and you're reminded every day, he's done really, really well, and you've done okay, it stings.

What really hurts... You know, Lincoln Riley, at his core, he may not admit it, is that UCLA is 7-0. And they don't have nearly the money or the resources of USC. I mean, UCLA is a basketball school. I spent some time last Thursday with their former athletic director. And we had a great conversation, wonderful guy. And UCLA is NIL challenged. USC is not. And UCLA is everything basketball.

in seven games that USC's been trying to be for five years, which is tough, good tackling, physical. Defense is excellent. They can win on the road. They just beat the Wisconsin team, which clobbered USC. And RG3 made a very interesting point about what NIL has done to college football.

I think the way that college football has shifted in recent years makes it a lot harder for a guy like Lincoln Riley to succeed in California. College football has more parity than it ever has, and it looks more and more like the NFL. like you're talking about. And it's because of NIL and Transfer Portal. Backups at Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, they're playing at other schools now. And people thought the rich would just get richer. But what it's done is that if you ever show up to a game and you are not ready to play Anyone in the country in the power four and really the group of six can beat you on that day.

Yeah. Three straight weeks, a number one or two team has been beaten by an unranked team. BYU beats Notre Dame, then they get clobbered or beat the next week. So the reality is coaching's never mattered more. And I made this point yesterday. If you look at the top 10 right now in college football, it's 10 great coaches. I mean, there are no just loaded rosters average coach, which in the old days, that happened regularly. You just stockpiled talent.

The coach was okay. No, you've got Cristobal, Ryan Day, Kirby Smart, Signetti, Marcus Freeman down the line. These are really good coaches. Kalen DeBoer, Alabama. So it's just a reality of the situation. People say, Colin. You said Lincoln Riley was going to succeed. Yeah, I said Sark was going to succeed at USC. I said Lane Kiffin's going to succeed at USC. I even defended early the Clay Helton hire. I thought Lincoln Riley was going to succeed.

And by the way, Lane and Sark have been successful leaving USC and Lincoln Riley will go to a place like Baylor with a 2014 playoff. I can assure you they're going to get into it occasionally, if not regularly. So, you know, I just, it, it, it, listen, winning in college football is hard. It's not that hard. And when UCLA, the basketball school without NIL resources in your backyard is seven and oh, and not just that UCLA is winning with the kind of football USC fans and administrators want run game, physical toughness, Cali weather at home. Great on the road, uh, We always say soft doesn't travel. Road football teams that are good run the ball physical. That's why Seattle is so damn good on the road last year.

They ran the ball and they're physical. Soft doesn't travel. So, again, it's one thing if your brother's done really well. It's another if he moves next door. The UCLA success, and that is just poking USC, their administrators, their donors in the ribs. Nick Wright's around the corner. Heard hierarchy, too.

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