Joe and Jada - Will Packer tells HILARIOUS 'Night School' & Fat Joe stories + talks new book on “healthy arrogance,” Kevin Hart & navigating Hollywood

0:00 But Kiss is right. Joe, can you listen for three seconds?

0:04 This is the most... Three seconds. Give me three seconds to listen. The most entertaining, the most dangerous podcast.

0:09 Give me three seconds. Can you listen for three seconds? This is incredible. Yeah, yeah, what up, y'all? This is Joe Crack the Don.

0:29 You know who it is, your boy Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. Somehow, someway, we just can't stop.

0:40 Squeeze the muffler on these dudes right here. Grenade them, huh?

0:45 These guys... How you doing, man? How you feeling? You turned these other podcasters to the old folks, huh? Ooh. Dinosaurs.

0:53 Flabby is sick, man. I need those glasses, Lord.

0:56 How did you... You have the glasses on.

0:58 What are you doing? No, but I need them green chromes, man. I need them.

1:02 These Cardis, I need the emerald green chromes. Treat me like Mary J.

1:07 man. But yeah, you know, every show legendary, every show iconic, and we just keep amplifying the meaning of of those two words.

1:18 What they say in gambling, like you keep doubling down on it.

1:21 Yeah, press your bets.

1:22 You know what I mean? We pressing out guests.

1:25 Ooh.

1:26 It's like the casino where guests just keep.

1:29 Getting better and better and better. That's right.

1:32 When you think of today's guests, you think of a visionary, a hit maker, somebody who believed in himself before Hollywood knew his name. It made sure our stories, our humor, our culture had a place on the big screen. From Stomp the Yard to Think Like a Man, Ride Along, Girls Trip. These movies bought in over a billion dollars.

2:08 Let me repeat that. Over a billion dollars.

2:12 Mm-hmm.

2:13 Now he's a New York Times bestselling author. He's bringing black love to television. And he's part of the Atlanta Falcons ownership group. Me and Joe call that doing shit.

2:27 That's called doing shit, right?

2:29 You know what I mean? Hold on, Joe. Hold on, Joe. Hold on. All right, all right, all right. I ain't know you all.

2:38 He doesn't just talk about dreaming big. He shows you what it looks like. And he's got one question for anybody wondering.

2:47 Whether they belong.

2:50 Who better than you? Joe, we got a real boss in the building.

2:56 Our brother.

2:57 Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Will Packer!

3:01 Ah! Ah!

3:05 Yo. That introduction was real as shit, my brother. That's... I like it.

3:10 I can read.

3:13 Because rappers can't read. Joey's talking about it, but you can. It's no question.

3:18 Flawless.

3:18 10 out of 10, no notes. Think rappers can't read. My guy went through all them lines. That was no big words in it.

3:24 No, no, no.

3:25 I mean, I'm just.

3:26 But.

3:26 I don't doubt that you could do it. Here's the thing we're talking about. I feel like.

3:30 But I just can't say, this is such and such at 107W, such and such. We'll pack it in. Joey Trapp.

3:36 That is true. Your average rapper cannot do that. Hour 45, you line up all the rappers.

3:44 Can we?

3:44 I'm trying to line up some voice work with my guy. I would be honored to produce something. I can see a cool, dope-ass, animated, like, anime.

3:54 You got the voice for it. There's no question. Who better than you, Will Packer? What's up, baby? You betting on yourself, huh? Always, brother.

4:02 Always.

4:03 Thank you for having me. For real. I appreciate it.

4:05 We appreciate this.

4:06 I love the energy, too. Y'all said, fuck the other podcast. That's like, you know, it's aggressive. We've been shitting on them since day one. Brother came out the gate.

4:14 Couple of glizzy.

4:15 By the way. By the way, what?

4:18 There's a glizzy alert. The other night when we did the casino. Yo. Glizzy alert. Yo.

4:27 You got slags.

4:28 I got slags. I got them.

4:30 I was saving them. Glizzy alert.

4:31 Let me hear.

4:32 I wanted to hear that. Hot dog alert.

4:35 Ew.

4:35 For years, hot dog. Yeah, that might be worse, brother. Hot dog glizzy alert. Let me hear this.

4:42 This better be worse.

4:43 I feel like you need to get to the.

4:44 The other night, room service was over after our thing, so I had to.

4:48 After a rat pack night, you ordered glizzy for late night?

4:52 I had nothing else.

4:53 But what I'm trying to tell you is, Johnny Rockets was open. I never ate there in my life. They brought them glizzies over. Legendary. Johnny Rockets.

5:06 Hotel Casino Glizzy.

5:10 Johnny Rockets.

5:12 For all glizzy lovers out there, run to your nearest One, let me tell you something.

5:18 They can't give me enough. It's a lot happening. It's a lot.

5:21 It's a lot happening right now.

5:23 It's a lot. It's a lot.

5:25 Yo, Will, we had a legendary time for the standout moment to be Johnny Rockets.

5:31 Glizzy.

5:32 Sound like the legend happened after, the after party with Joe.

5:35 That was something else.

5:36 Let me tell you something. I need clarification.

5:38 You got some eyes wide shut.

5:40 I'm old enough to not be the only guy in my crew that'll eat a hot dog.

5:44 I sent them a bag. What was that cookout?

5:46 And the next morning, my man Serge, DJ Serge. He went back? He said, yo. You ate that glizzy. I said, yo, this shit was great. I'm like, that's it. That's all I. You have glizzy camaraderie.

6:01 I have to say it. It's crazy. The glizzy diaries. The camaraderie of glizzy. Best in the game right now. Because, you know, they've been falling off.

6:12 You see what I got to do?

6:13 What has happened?

6:15 What?

6:17 I just had to say it. Ten minutes on the glizzy. Because I've been on weather shit. We didn't say nothing about the show.

6:23 My suit. Straight Johnny Rockets glasses. If we here for him, we don't want to.

6:29 Then why'd you go with the Johnny Rockets glasses?

6:35 There's a large community of gentlemen and females who like a hot dog.

6:42 And I'm telling them, listen, that Johnny Rockets shit, I.

6:48 That's all I'm going to say. Thank God room service was out for the night.

6:55 Point taken. I can't take this.

6:57 Well, you got to stop. Why don't you send me to a dentist in Atlanta when I did night school and thank you for putting me in night school. Is that a toothache? Something happened, but Will took me to a dentist. They had massage. It wasn't like happy ending. They had massage. I'm just saying the way people be thinking, right?

7:16 Took you to a good dentist? They would give you a massage.

7:19 This is high end.

7:20 Like when you come out, y'all. Anything you need in Atlanta, you know I got you. No, he's got it, got it. Call me.

7:26 I got you. It's the first dentist I ever went to. I ain't feel no pain. And I'm being with Dr. Fashem.

7:35 She's my number one. I'm loyal to her.

7:36 I had an emergency break. No, the fentanyl, different type of touch. You get that Fenty well on that shit. Yo, boy, let me tell you something.

7:46 Bro, what is happening? The glizzy and the fentanyl, you doing fentanyl intentionally?

7:51 No.

7:51 What happened was, you know, I did my teeth over and I had good teeth.

7:56 They ghastly, but it's all right.

8:00 Right? So, uh, I did it over, but I went under anesthesia. So the man tells me, this guy's a fucking piece of shit, man. This guy's come to anesthesiologists, right? And they bill it's real.

8:12 Yeah.

8:12 Right? He comes, he goes, yo, I know you ain't just come. Do something with it. I'm like, what the.

8:20 Fuck is that?

8:22 It's almost like a shade from the window just comes down like that. I felt like they could throw a bomb outside and I wouldn't even know.

8:30 I was like, So I go to sleep. When I wake up, he says, you know what I gave you before I put you to sleep?

8:37 I said, what?

8:38 He said, fentanyl. That's why you, all that. I said, this motherfucker.

8:44 Didn't even tell you. I thought about that bitch for two weeks and I don't get hot. Smoke cigarettes, don't smoke weed, don't drink nothing. For two weeks, I was like, If I argued with anybody.

8:54 I said, man, maybe I should just get some fentanyl. That's how they do it. That's how they get you, right? That's how they get you, dog.

9:00 Two weeks after, clean, cold turkey. The next time I went back to do the second part, I said, nah, nah. You keep that motherfucker out of here. I'm going raw back.

9:08 To be clear, that was not the dentist that I sent you to in Atlanta. The dentist you sent me to Had beautiful music.

9:17 Yes. Shit was like a mansion or something in Atlanta. Yes. They had a female massaging me while they was doing my... Man, I ain't feel shit.

9:26 It's high. I was like, this is a fucking incredible... It's what you deserve. You were in Atlanta.

9:29 You were shooting with me. You had a dental situation.

9:32 Yes.

9:32 I'm going to take care of you.

9:33 No, no.

9:34 I got you. Shout out to ACCD. We got to give it to.

9:37 That's his name? Atlanta Cosmetic... Atlanta Center for Cosmetic Dentistry.

9:41 Dr. King. Yo, you... Like, this is.

9:43 Where rich people go.

9:45 Well, no, no.

9:46 A lot of your folks that come to Atlanta, that's that's who we we take care of when I could, you know, I shoot in Atlanta all the time.

9:52 Right.

9:52 So when I have actors come and they the stuff happens, right. Stuff happens.

9:56 You need to get something done on the road. You got to have a certain level of discount.

10:00 For Atlanta? Because I see Dollar Perry built his own studio there. Is there like a discount for filming something in Atlanta?

10:07 You know, we have a tax credit. Yeah. So the studio build is different. He did that on an army base.

10:14 So he definitely got an amazing deal because the Army base was about to be converted into something else.

10:20 He cut a deal with the city to get that.

10:22 I'm just saying, if I want to shoot a movie, is it much more expensive in New York than it is in Atlanta? Yes, it is.

10:29 Because Georgia has a tax credit.

10:33 However, I will say now Jersey has a very competitive tax credit as well. Shot in Jersey last year. Yeah, a lot of stuff happening in Jersey. Netflix building big stages up here.

10:42 So.

10:43 You know, we got a lot happening in Georgia. The tax credit is there. Like Tyler, myself, some other folks. Lionsgate building. Lionsgate has studios.

10:52 They got one. Tracy Morgan said he shoots shit.

10:57 Lionsgate bought a home. Block and Young.

11:00 Man, it'd be nice for you to get a TV show where you can just go down the block and get that. Check it, check it out. You know, these guys, man, these guys get to sleep down the block, shoot a movie, come home, watch Jeopardy and shit, Wheel of Fortune, and fucking make.

11:16 His money out there. Like, I don't know how... That's how it used to be in L.A. Like, everybody moved to L.A. because all the production was happening in L.A.? Not anymore. So much of it now is happening everywhere else. Atlanta definitely took a lot of it. Now, New York, New Jersey is coming up in a real way. But what you just said, actors want to stay home. Everybody moves to L.A. because that's where Hollywood is. Now, the machinery is in L.A., right? So, like, studios that finance the projects, but most of the stuff that's being shot.

11:45 It's everywhere else. It's all around the world now. London is crazy. Canada is big too, right?

11:49 Canada is huge because of their tax credit and because of the exchange rate.

11:53 I remember it was a rush.

11:54 I remember everything was being shot in Toronto at one time.

11:57 Because you could double Toronto for New York. They felt like you could.

12:00 Oh, it looked the same. Oh, right.

12:02 Because of the empire.

12:02 Not when they did that Rumble in the Bronx shit with Jackie Chan and all that shit.

12:06 They looked like the Bronx was shit. They had the same fire escape in the fucking... And every fighting scene had the same fire escape in that motherfucking Rumble in the Bronx.

12:18 Now, you went to FAMU for electrical engineering.

12:21 Yeah. What made you say, screw all that, I'm doing move?

12:26 You know what?

12:26 What did your family think when you told them, I'm not doing that, I'm doing.

12:30 Mom's was like, Please don't let yourself starve. Because, you know, I was, I'm my oldest, I'm the oldest sibling. I was the first one out. So I got an engineering degree, electrical engineer. And I've always been somebody that, like, took school serious. You know, I went in, studied, the whole nine.

12:48 So I got an engineering degree. Moms was happy.

12:52 Pops was happy. They were like, okay, good.

12:54 He can feed himself. He can go out. That's what you want for your kids. You just want to be self-sufficient.

12:59 Yep.

12:59 And then I told him I was about to go chase this movie dream. I shot a tiny movie when I was at FAMU.

13:05 Shout out to FAMU.

13:05 Shout out to all HBCUs. To the best one, the rallies. So I was at FAMU, shot a small movie.

13:12 Don't do that.

13:13 They always start that shit.

13:14 Don't do that. Everybody shot their college out. They fuck everybody else.

13:19 But only if it's true. In HBCU world, it's true. Because FAMU is like here forever. And it's everybody else.

13:25 You see this?

13:26 No. Like, where's Howard in the conversation? That's everybody else. I said, fam, you see this bullshit? And then everybody else. You know what I'm saying? No, you can't throw the flag. You can't throw the flag. I'm glad my son ain't on that shit. He would have been going crazy.

13:39 He would have been going crazy. Everybody think they spotted.

13:42 My son, he went to Clark.

13:43 He went to Clark, Atlanta?

13:44 He down there now.

13:45 He probably couldn't get in the family. We don't shout out J. Wayne. His son just dropped a podcast today with C.J.

13:52 Wallace.

13:52 Congratulations.

13:53 Small son. I'm proud of him. There we go.

13:55 That's what I'm talking about. You want your kids to know.

13:59 And then I told my parents I was going to do this crazy pivot and not use my engineering degree. And I was going to go into movies. We didn't know anybody in Hollywood. I didn't have any connections. When I was an undergrad, we shot a tiny movie called Chocolate City. That movie showed for me. Because sometimes you just need to know that you can do something.

14:17 Proof of concept.

14:18 Proof of concept and proof.

14:20 Because a lot of times, you don't know.

14:22 You have a dream of doing something. You're like, am I really good at it? Can I do it? Can I feed myself doing it?

14:28 And.

14:29 Even though that movie wasn't the one that made enough money for me to go off and live a life, it proved that we could do something. Myself, my guy Rob Hardy, my partners there at FAMU, we made this tiny little movie and then we hustled it on our own.

14:44 Nobody in Hollywood gave a shit.

14:46 They didn't care at all about our movie, but at FAMU and our little demographic, they loved it. They would go see it over and over again at the movie theater. They would buy the t-shirts and the hats. And so I leaned into that audience. One of the biggest lessons that I ever learned when I was introduced in that movie at the premiere, I had invited all of Hollywood and nobody from Hollywood showed up, not a single person, but, and I had saved the first two rows. And so they were empty and I thought my premiere was going to be a disaster because But every other row, every other seat was packed.

15:16 People trying to get in.

15:17 And I said, I'm not making my movies for the front row.

15:20 I'm making them for people that actually care about it.

15:22 You know, I'm sure no matter what project you drop now, you always think of that audience. Yes. Right?

15:30 You put them in the pie.

15:32 Yeah. You don't overlook them for nothing and bunch them in with another audience. You're like, yo, I got to talk to them.

15:38 I got to talk to them. You never forget. My core audience that had me from day one.

15:43 Got to stick with it. Absolutely.

15:45 Even when I'm making big movies, you know, I want to have a big global success. You make huge movies.

15:49 You make, but you always got to stay true to your core, right? No matter what it is you're doing. What's your biggest performing movie?

15:55 What's it about?

15:56 What's it about?

15:58 A movie is either Compton.

16:01 Or Ride Along. I had to go look.

16:03 Compton.

16:04 Yeah, straight out of Compton.

16:05 I was blessed to be executive producer on that with Cube and The OG brought me in to help get that over the hump.

16:11 Shout out to him, FK, Gray, everybody.

16:14 And then Ride Along. We opened as the biggest to join with Kev and Cube. The biggest opening ever on MLK Weekend. And so that did numbers as well. Girls trips, the numbers.

16:25 We've been blessed.

16:27 Yes.

16:29 It was in there, right? I thought Night School was bigger than that.

16:32 No, no.

16:32 I thought Night School was the biggest. By the way, Joe, not the biggest. I always think we the biggest. However, Night School is mad underrated. If you ain't seen Night School yet, that joint is good.

16:44 That's a great movie.

16:45 And by the way, it was the number one comedy of the year.

16:48 Wow, I didn't know that. I can talk that shit.

16:51 Absolutely.

16:51 I can talk that shit. I'm going to add it to my resume.

16:54 Joe starred in the number one comedy.

16:56 Of the year.

16:57 Woo-woo!

16:59 Yes. You see that shit?

17:01 That shit, brother. That shit, my brother. Oh, the girl's trip.

17:05 Yeah.

17:06 Go ahead.

17:07 No, no, look like you want to ask. No, no, no, no. I just want to ask.

17:10 Sound like you want to ask a question.

17:12 Is there ever a movie that you believed in solely, took it to the big guys, and they didn't see your vision, but you were still able to get it done and then be like, you see, I told y'all.

17:26 100%. I had a movie. So I went to black college.

17:33 Loved it.

17:33 I wanted to make a movie about the black college experience. I went to Hollywood. I said, I want to make a movie at HBCU. I'm going to show fraternities, sororities, the whole thing. Hollywood was not checking for it at all. It was like, what's a black college? Why are they black college?

17:46 Crazy.

17:46 What is this movie?

17:48 Right?

17:48 I could not get it greenlit anywhere. I went to every studio in Hollywood. Everybody told me no. You never give up.

17:55 Ever.

17:56 I mean, no, you get your only one. Yes, y'all know that. I went back to the same people, right? Went back in.

18:03 Pitched them.

18:04 They said, weren't you the one that just came in here a month ago? We told you no last time. The answer is still no. I went to Sony Pictures. They had a movie called You Got Served. Remember You Got Served back in the day? It was a group, B2K.

18:17 They had a movie.

18:18 It was a dance movie and it was one of their highest performing movies for the year. So I went in and I said, okay, I'm not selling you pitching you that same movie. I'm pitching you a sequel to You Got Served. But this time, we're going to have a kid who was in the L.A. crew and he goes and meets up with another dance crew in another part of the country and then together they combine their styles of dance and that's going to be our new movie and it can be a sequel.

18:41 Sony was like, we got it. We love it. That's so much better than that bullshit you were trying to sell us. Once they gave me the door. Joe, once they cracked the door....

18:51 The guy who was coming from the L.A. scene was Columbus Short. The new dance scene he was coming to was a black college, Truth.

18:59 University, right?

19:00 We put Chris Brown in it. We did a dance movie. It was the number one movie in the country. When that movie came out, every last studio that I had pitched and had turned me down said, yo, why you didn't bring us that movie?

19:11 Let me ask you a question. Do they still sleep on you? Like, Will Packer comes... Yo, we got a meeting with Will Packer today. Right?

19:20 And we all know everybody got ego. Everybody think they somebody.

19:24 Yeah. Do they still sleep on you? If you come in there with a movie and you like, yo, I got this new idea. Yeah.

19:30 Or is it automatic? Like this is a go.

19:32 I don't get slept on, but it's not automatic. So I can get, you know, I get my calls returned.

19:38 Right.

19:38 My track record is too strong for cast to overlook. So whoever it is in Hollywood, They definitely taking the will packer move they want to hear the pitch they absolutely want to come in and be a part of whatever it is i'm bringing however it doesn't mean i always get the budget that i want to get it doesn't mean that i always get the green light in the time that i want it right i still gotta go and sell it i still gotta go and say because remember hollywood is a business everybody forgets that When I go in, people think I'm saying, yo, I got this great actor, this great idea, come greenlight my movie.

20:12 That's not what I'm doing. I'm saying, got this great actor, this great idea, but I'm going to make it for this, and it's going to make this. That's when they start saying, oh, okay.

20:21 I see.

20:21 All right.

20:22 Talk to us.

20:23 Obviously, you've been super successful, but one thing you're breaking down to me is that you understand the audience, how it's going to perform. You know, people go out there with passionate projects thinking it's the arts and they.

20:37 Don't get the art.

20:38 No, if them asses don't go to that movie theater or book that bitch on Netflix, you ain't never getting another chance. And so I think people don't understand that. You know, some people, they look at you, it's the same thing in hip hop. They look at you and they think like, Yo, why is this guy bigger than me?

20:56 I'm a million times more talented. I'm this. But you're not targeting the audience that's ready to spend a dollar. Yeah. And that's what gets lost in the shuffle. Me, I want to be Steve Harvey. At the end of the day, I want to just pull out Wheel of Fortune, Family Feud, you know.

21:16 I'm not in your way. I don't want to be in your way.

21:19 Huh?

21:20 I want to be Snoop Dogg mixed with LL. That way you can smoke some shit everywhere you go, huh? I'm not sure. I don't think that's what he was saying. Yeah, that's what he's saying. I don't know what he, I don't know. I took that stuff from me.

21:32 Well, that's what he's saying.

21:33 Thank you, Will.

21:34 Is that?

21:35 I took it like entrepreneurial, acting. Exactly.

21:40 Business.

21:40 Longevity.

21:41 Yeah.

21:46 You know what I've learned?

21:47 The things that really matter, you can't rush them. Facts.

21:52 You can't rush the sauce. You can't rush the music. You can't rush relationships. And you definitely can't rush great tequila.

22:00 That's why 1800 Tequila stands out. The name goes all the way back to the 1800s when the Beckman family started making tequila. And that patience, that attention to the craft has been passed down through more than 11 generations.

22:16 That's legacy.

22:17 Sometimes you just got to let something cook. Juan Beckman Vidal aged 1,800 aneo longer than he even had to because he knew it wasn't ready yet.

22:27 I respect that.

22:28 Don't put it out just because you can put it out. Put it out when it's right. That applies to a record, a conversation, a move, a making, and clearly a bottle of tequila. Once you get it right, you share it with your people. That's always been part of the story.

22:43 Good tequila, good conversation, and the people around you really appreciate both.

22:48 Passion, hard work, honesty. Those words are written on every bottle of 1800. And honestly, that's the foundation for anything built to last.

22:59 So take your time with what you're creating, and when the moment is right, share it.

23:03 With your people.

23:04 1800 tequila. Good stuff takes time. And the best stuff's meant to be shared with your people.

23:14 We just did a concert that would probably go down as the best concert in hip-hop history. Wow.

23:22 It really was like that. You know what I mean?

23:24 We did a residency in Vegas with DJ Cassidy, and he put together Nelly, Busta Rhymes, Spliff, Jada, myself. Who am I missing? It wasn't in Las Vegas. It was Mohegan Sun.

23:37 I know, but I'm just going to.

23:39 Well, I did mine.

23:41 We did a residency in Vegas.

23:43 Now, it was incredible in Vegas, but I knew on this side of things, New York, Connecticut, they never see no shit like that.

23:51 They confront all they want.

23:53 So when I look at the comments, everything is like, yo, it's the best show I ever seen in my life. The best show. But I'm missing somebody.

24:00 It's me, you.

24:01 Ja Rule.

24:02 Ja Rule. I'm sorry to miss Ja Rule. But It was so amazing.

24:08 And, you know, all these big rappers and you think rap, you know, you know, we own a dispensary, you know, a dynasty commodity in Harlem.

24:16 And the only guy smoking weed was this guy. I smelled the shit.

24:19 I went all the way into the back of the room, the back of the gym, the back of the shit.

24:23 Are we there yet?

24:25 Jadakiss and his crew smoking the shit. Then your man, not Kate, your man.

24:31 Yo, they were the only ones. Yo, let me tell you something. He just named 20 rap ones.

24:35 The only ones? I'm telling you the truth. What, you want me to lie to you? That's why I put two and two together, Snoop. Dog, he wants to be like Snoop. Hold on, let me tell you something, Kate.

24:45 You got a point. Jadakiss, time to go. Where's the flag? I'm trying to say something. Don't let him get delusional. Don't let him make you delusional, Will. I'm on King.

24:57 Glizzy's side right now, bro.

25:02 Mind you, there were 80-year-old white men.

25:05 I don't know. We would have got fucked up if somebody would have tried to... He had 80-year-old guys in security over there. Yeah, my guy was talking to him about this football game.

25:14 I don't even know what they was doing standing up at 12 midnight. I was like, yo, guys, it's almost over.

25:19 Guys, it's almost.

25:20 I was really worried. It was ushers, Joe. That wasn't security. They smelled that shit, by the way. And so your man.

25:27 Slipstar, come up in there.

25:28 Yo, what's wrong with this guy?

25:30 Slipstar, you know.

25:31 Slipstar come up in his room and says, I smell the veggies.

25:34 I smell... Your man got a blunt in his head this long. And Slip is like... man, you think I can get in on that?

25:42 This, this, that, this, this, that.

25:44 Your man's just looking at him with the shirt. I said, yo, my man, give him some fucking weed. Man, how much more you want him to beg you for a puff? Like, give him a fucking, he got some shit like a bazooka. He ain't want to give him shit. I'm like, yo, that's why, that's why I never get high. But ladies and gentlemen, it was a nice show.

26:06 Everything went smooth.

26:10 It was very, my mom and dad was happy. Like you said, they were going to be happy.

26:15 I'm proud of me.

26:16 I told you, right? I did a whole residency. So I know what to expect. He's like, oh, the gizzards. This guy's making me work.

26:25 Yo, this, this, this. I'm just chilling. I said like this. So I grabbed him. A moment of, of, no, no, not just clarity. What you call like mentorship. Cause I dealt with this shit. Yeah. Right.

26:38 I see your kiss. You said your mother and father came tonight, right?

26:42 He said, yes. I said, think of it this way. No matter all the asshole shit we dealing with this guy, at the end of the night, your moms and your pops going to come up to you and tell you how proud they are. Because the man, though, the DJ Kaz, you can say whatever the fuck you want. His shit ain't one.

27:00 Like, it's going to come out pristine.

27:02 And all that practice turns into, you know, beautiful art. So your parents came over and said they loved it? I told your mom I want my cornbread. Plenty cornbread. She got you. She got you. Plenty cornbread. She got you. I need plenty cornbread. He said his mom's got the best cornbread in the world. Come on now.

27:24 Let's keep it 1800.

27:26 When you're putting the cast together, what makes you know that the chemistry is going to work?

27:32 Yo, especially when you're doing an ensemble, that is the key factor, right?

27:38 People can tell. You ever seen a movie and you know that the cast didn't really fuck with each other like that?

27:46 Like, it shows. You can't hide them. Especially with an ensemble. Well, I gotta stop you before you finish this story.

27:54 Yeah.

27:56 Jimmy Walker said he didn't have a relationship with Florida and James.

28:00 That's nuts.

28:02 I would... J.J. Walker? Yeah, he said he never.

28:05 He's from the Bronx.

28:06 Forget it.

28:06 That's huge. He said him.

28:10 and his monster pops off good times. The guy was fucking the Brady Bunch, the mother. The son was fucking the mother in Brady Bunch. What?

28:18 Well, I don't know why you turned to me off of that, because I didn't. I hadn't. No, I'm trying to see if you understand.

28:25 Jimmy Walker wasn't talking to them, but in the Brady Bunch, the mother was dating the son.

28:31 Bobby Brady, you're one of them.

28:32 Anyways. Yes. I don't.

28:36 It's a fact. Google it.

28:37 You should throw.

28:39 God, I'm sorry, but God. No, listen. You know, Hollywood can be a weird place. First of all, that's why. That's nuts. Because how many years? Well, not the.

28:49 I would have thought they was like a real family.

28:52 Me too. Yeah.

28:53 That's, you know.

28:54 So, listen. I think that it is. They're fortunate they were able to go that long.

28:59 Now that you know it, I bet if you go back and look at it, you can see some cracks, some interactions, right?

29:05 These days, here's what I would say.

29:06 Audiences are a lot less forgiving now because people want authenticity. And because we have such an insight into people's lives as not just actors and the characters, but who they are individually, you can tell now more so than you could. If somebody is just an ass, right? You think they an ass. in real life social media interviews every time you see them becomes very difficult for.

29:33 Them you to take the journey and then love them.

29:35 As a character or invest in them in a character in a movie or TV show. But to answer the question, for me, it's like I got to line it up, and it's just like a basketball team.

29:45 You know what I mean? I got to have my point, my shooting. I got to have my power, my center.

29:49 That's exactly what you're describing when you talk about a cast.

29:53 Everybody's got a different skill set. It feels like sports. You can't have people that do the same thing. It's like sports.

30:00 Well, are you allowed, the infamous Will Packer, to call Lawrence Fishberg Larry or Lawrence?

30:07 I call him Fish. You call him Fish? Fish. Yeah. That was one of my favorite movies ever. The Fish to Save Pittsburgh. You remember that? Whoa, whoa, yeah. It's the Fish to Save Pittsburgh. Don't know about that shit.

30:24 Yo. Yo.

30:25 Joe got a repertoire. You a student of the game and the culture. I love it. Like movies, specifically.

30:31 Cinephile. I love movies.

30:33 I wouldn't have known that, Joe, because when we did Night School... You complained a lot, brother. I'm going to be honest with you. Damn, I didn't know that. I need to hear the melody.

30:44 You automatically put that on me when I came in the room from his complaining.

30:49 No, I really wanted to hear that.

30:50 I didn't know that.

30:51 Sometimes you got to look at yourself. I'm over there saying he's complaining. No, I want to know.

30:55 You was complaining. When you just said you love movies.

30:59 I want to know. Okay?

31:01 When you said it, right, I remember. And by the way, I wasn't complaining. No, no, you weren't. No. I wasn't complaining. I was just saying, you got the gizzards out of me.

31:11 There's a lot of fucking slaps on this one. Like, you got to stop. So I was complaining.

31:18 It just, the movie.

31:19 energy was a lot slower than what you were used to. Do you recall that, like, you felt like it was a lot of sitting around, waiting, you know, and I was saying.

31:31 Man, I didn't know why. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

31:34 It was about the time.

31:34 Why if you know... No, no, no, no, no.

31:36 Because he opened the Pandora's box.

31:39 Here we go.

31:39 Why if you know you're going to use the actor at 10 p.m., you wake him up at 6 a.m.

31:47 To be on set All day.

31:49 Makeup.

31:50 Till 10 p.m. We're telling you to get makeup.

31:53 Early, when you.

31:54 Go there, I had a fake beard. Your movie got the beard.

31:58 Come on now.

32:00 Before that, I had a goatee like you.

32:02 When you did that, I said, damn, I look good in the beard.

32:05 Let me keep the beard. I swear to God. You're welcome.

32:08 I had the fake beard.

32:09 Kiss the beard, the smile.

32:13 You're welcome.

32:13 All of that is work. You went to Atlanta, got the smile tight.

32:16 You got the beard.

32:17 Two in the morning.

32:18 I love Atlanta, by the way.

32:19 Two in the morning, right?

32:22 You get in the hotel, you come, you take a shower, six in the morning, you're waking up, you're getting in the van, and then you sit there all day eating beef jerky until fucking 10 at night, and then you get in the cage, you know, every three hours, Kevin Hart fucking with you, talking about, yo, this ain't the studio, wake the fuck up, motherfucker.

32:42 This is acting.

32:43 I'm like, yo, they was busting my chops on that set right there, but I had to, I learned so much from that opportunity. Just that I never knew, so you know how you freestyle or Jay-Z or do a whole song off the tape. I'm watching Tiffany Haddish. She's at her prime right there. She's smoking, piping hot. You got Kevin Hart, Yeah.

33:08 Romany Malco. You got the white dude.

33:10 Yeah.

33:11 Rob Riggle.

33:12 Man.

33:13 What's the Spanish doing?

33:14 What's the Spanish dude up? Oh, yeah.

33:16 My guy.

33:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:18 Your guy, right?

33:19 Yeah. So the man, they going at it. And I'm just a fly on the wall. I'm just like, yo, I didn't know they could do that. And they keep... improvising and switching up the script, saying funny shit and shit. And I'm just like, wow.

33:31 Shout out to Malcolm Lee that allowed that to happen. But here's the thing though, Joe, you held your own. Everybody on that set was a fan of Joe. Real talk, no bullshit. Because you were on time, you were professional, you knew your shit. But then also, you had some improv moments too. Like, you weren't just, you know what I mean, stuck. Like, when Malcolm was letting you go, you did your thing.

33:52 Yo, I had the flu. That might have been the original COVID. This shit was so crazy, I'm in the trailer. Let me tell you where I did fuck up at. You want to know where I fucked up at? Let me tell you something. They gave strict instructions, right? They said, yo. Nah, nah, I fucked up. Like, I really replayed myself. Y'all didn't catch it, though. Y'all said, no one leave Atlanta. We are starting on Monday about five in the morning. We got to be here.

34:22 I think it was like Saturday.

34:25 And somebody came with that bag, that private bag up in New York. And I flew out for that bag. When I tell you, the next day on Sunday, me and Rich was in that airport from 6 a.m. Finally, a plane opened up like 10.30 at night because the weather was just like.

34:47 When we got on that plane, that shit was like, whoa, whoa. That shit was doing hula hoops.

34:54 I was like, oh, my God. Yo, when you talk about learn your lesson, stay in Atlanta and don't get the bag. But I played myself. I was this close to y'all saying, fuck Fat Joe.

35:08 He didn't fuck. Because it was strict rules, right?

35:11 It was the only strict rule you ever did was like, No one can leave. Stay focused. Stay there. We are starting first thing in the morning. And of course, I went to New York. Come on.

35:21 And the fucking plane doing all this shit.

35:24 This, this, this, this, this. Backwards, up, down, falling, this, this. When I landed in Atlanta, I was so happy I landed.

35:32 But it was just like, wow. This is the kind of shit that makes producers crazy. This is why my job is so hard.

35:40 Oh, yeah.

35:41 It's so hard. Kevin Hart is the worst.

35:43 By the way.

35:44 Yeah, he always seems so professional. He is professional to a degree. He will go chase a bag, too, right?

35:52 He will go.

35:53 It's not even chasing a bag with him.

35:55 He just triple and quadruple books his books with.

35:58 This guy.

35:59 And, you know, I've worked with artists, music folks, you know what I mean?

36:05 A lot.

36:06 And the thing is, it's always tricky trying to get people that are not mainly in the movie business to lock into our schedules, to lock into how important it is.

36:19 Like, I get you waiting around a lot. Well, I never did a movie again.

36:23 And I really want you to know that I am honored I swear, in the most humble way, the opportunity you guys gave me, I got to walk the red carpet at Hollywood. We did an early screening in the South Bronx. I was in the crowd.

36:39 They didn't know. Then I popped out. Y'all was good. I lived the dream. You killed it. But that was one thing I said, I'm not doing this shit again. We killed it for you? No, no, y'all killed it. No, no, you ain't killing it for me.

36:52 For me, man. We run this shit. Yo, where you see we come in and crank the shit up. Let's go. We calling the shots. Yeah, it's a little different. You understand what I'm saying? It's a lot different than 10 p.m. Now, maybe if somebody got me in a movie where they were like, all right, you guaranteed to shoot your scene by 4 p.m., then I would know I, you know.

37:15 But that 10 p.m. shit, that shit was fucking me up. My diabetes was going through the roof, man.

37:20 It's hard. Because the only way to stay up is the candy in there.

37:24 Right?

37:25 Y'all got a lot of candy in them.

37:27 We got everything you want.

37:29 On the set.

37:30 Just to keep you up. Sugar. We got the sugar.

37:33 What? Because we got to do it. We shoot nights as long as we need. You got sugar in that motherfucker. My diabetes was like 10,000, man. That shit was on fire. It was like, all right, have a jellyfish. All right, have a... I mean, this is what they do. The man come around with food. One thing y'all don't lack is food. Motherfuckers come around all the time with little sandwiches, little something. Yeah, they coming every minute of the day.

37:59 Hey, we got soups, guys.

38:01 And the shit.

38:02 Just keep coming. You got to feed your crew.

38:04 That's the signature of a Will Packer set. I'm always going to make sure everybody is fed.

38:10 Oh, you are feeding everybody. I'm going to make sure 100%. I got to keep them up, I got to keep them motivated, and I got to make them feel appreciated.

38:17 Yeah.

38:18 I think we was all, who's the football player? Is it Cam Newton? It was in it? No, no, no, no. Who's from Atlanta? Cam's from there, hey?

38:27 But that area we was in was Cam Newton Town.

38:30 It's actually named after him.

38:32 You heard him, kid?

38:33 Well, there's a Newton, Georgia, but... That motherfucker got his own town over there.

38:38 Every block was Cam Newton. It wasn't one block. Like, they give you a block in Yonkers. Everywhere was Cam Newton.

38:45 You telling me you got mad blocks called... It's cause delusion. Yo, no better storyteller.

38:53 Yo, it was Cam Newton. I respected a master that way. He got over near his high school. Yeah.

39:00 That's what it was.

39:01 There is also a Newton, Georgia that's not named after Cam.

39:04 It's a separate thing, but we did shoot. So those stories might be You.

39:09 Know, I went to.

39:09 It's all right.

39:10 You know, I went to Augusta, Georgia for, rest in peace, Kim Porter's funeral. Yeah. And I had an amazing time, even though it was for a sad event. And I always said, man, this Augusta, Georgia is beautiful, man. And you know, the thing about Georgia, man, is you could trace, right? So they'll be like, yo, his grandfather was a pastor.

39:34 His father's father was a pastor. You could trace everything back. In Georgia, y'all like.

39:40 Because so many people are still there.

39:42 Like the descendants of the family, because you got a lot of small towns, they're still there. So, you know, a lot of places it's.

39:49 Hard to do that.

39:50 You aren't in the same house that the great-grandfather, you know, went and built by his hands.

39:56 But that's true in the South.

39:58 That's true.

39:59 Yeah.

40:00 Who better than you? I believe in that myself. I'm still doing that now. I'm an independent artist. I just put out an album. I'm kissing the Grammy's ass. I'm about to go to L.A. and do some shit for the Grammy's. The album is banging, by the way.

40:13 Love it. It's real.

40:14 Yeah.

40:15 It's real. And somebody else said it to me. You know, that's the best word of mouth. I mean, you know what I mean?

40:21 Somebody told you, yo, you heard that fat Joe?

40:23 Listen, my guy, my driver in, I had just landed in Florida and my driver picked me up.

40:30 Didn't know, like, he knows obviously what I do. He's like, yo, you heard that new fat Joe album?

40:35 I was like, yo, I got to get up on, man. I say, play it right now. He started playing. I said, okay. Shout out to Sean, my driver down in Florida.

40:43 He absolutely made it happen. listen oh is.

40:46 It time for a toast yo i brought y'all some books man thank you especially because i know my man jayden reads there's a couple of big words in.

40:53 That you know i don't really read but i do the did you do the audio i did the audio you know what joe i won an award.

41:00 For the audio book for this yeah real story i.

41:02 Got on the audio book i got kev kev is in there steve harvey uh.

41:09 Mello is in there. Audio. Yo, but wait. How can I get money like Steve Harvey, man?

41:15 Yeah.

41:16 You know, I went to L.A. Every studio, whatever it is. What are the studios in L.A.? Paramount, Sony, Universal. Every studio I went to, the man had a reserve parking. They'd be like, Steve Harvey, reserve for Steve... Steve, I see this motherfucker getting all the money. I go to Abu Dhabi, they're like, Steve Harvey living down the block.

41:37 Steve, I see, yo, this man can't.

41:39 He won't stop. With the word arrogance would help you. Arrogant disunity.

41:45 Let's do the tour. Y'all gave me the strong shit.

41:47 I smell it from here.

41:49 Toast it to the New York Times bestseller. No, no, they gave me the Budo.

41:54 No, no, no.

41:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't need the Añejo.

41:58 I didn't need the tree bark from the Añejo.

42:00 New York Times bestseller. I appreciate that.

42:04 For me.

42:05 For me, Joe. I appreciate you. Thank you, kids.

42:08 Give it up.

42:09 Give it up.

42:09 Give it up. Woo!

42:13 Let me tell you something.

42:15 That was three old dudes taking a shot at the couch.

42:19 That was three old cats.

42:21 This would have went different in our 20s. You know, I wasn't a cat.

42:25 You throw your finger in the socket and your head look like a cat.

42:28 That shit like, that shit hit every endorphin. Y'all three grown ass men doing some shit.

42:36 They don't have no business doing it. Who better than you?

42:40 Yes, sir.

42:41 Healthy Arrogance. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:43 I mean, you know, I see Busta Rhymes talk about that a lot. You know, we got special friends. Yeah, absolutely.

42:50 The best friends.

42:51 No doubt.

42:53 Everybody creative is special.

42:55 And Busta Rhymes, I seen the interview, I think with Angie Martinez, where he was talking about, you know, you got to be arrogant to a point. Break that down for us. The art of healthy arrogance is.

43:12 Shouldn't have gave me the 1,800. I'm off the 18 right now.

43:17 I ain't off the 12,000. I'm off the 18. Healthy arrogance is different than toxic arrogance.

43:24 You got to remember that. It's very important.

43:26 You can't just walk into a room saying you're better than everybody in that room. That's not the point, right? Even if you are, that is not sustainable. That is not something that's going to drive.

43:34 You to success.

43:35 But you do walk into a room feeling like I belong in this room. There's nobody in this room that's more deserving of being in this room and more deserving of being successful than me. I, like y'all, have been in some crazy rooms with some of the most powerful people in the world. And the difference between the people in those rooms and those that aren't in the rooms is not always talent. It's not always the most talented people, the people that can do things the best.

44:01 It's people who feel like I deserve to be there.

44:04 Healthy arrogance says I deserve to be in this room and I'm going to make the room better because I'm in it. Toxic arrogance says I'm better than everybody. I'm shitting on everybody. That's not fuck everybody. That's not going to last.

44:14 Right.

44:15 That's going to get you. You feel good if you go.

44:17 In there and make that announcement and you kick out the room and then they do real business without you. You want to be the person that business is done because you're in it and the business is better because you're in it.

44:27 That's healthy arrogance.

44:29 A lot of times people feel like I don't know if I deserve to be.

44:33 Look at everybody here. Look at the legends that are in the room.

44:37 What you got to remember is that it's something that you got that nobody else has. You remember that and let that drive you. Tell yourself that every day.

44:44 And I mean it.

44:45 I literally look in the mirror every day and give myself my own pep talk. Tell myself how I got what it takes to be successful today.

44:53 I got the skill set. I got the preparation. I'm ready. I tell myself that every day. That's real.

44:59 Because oftentimes that's the last time I'm going to hear it. I'm not walking out and everybody's going, hey, yeah.

45:05 You can do it.

45:06 This is going to be a great deal for you.

45:09 And by the way, kids, it's the most important voice. Every other voice that you hear that day is less important than yours. So if the most important voice you hear is not telling you how you are ready and prepared to conquer whatever the challenges are for the day, then you're not.

45:23 Going to be ready for it.

45:24 That's part of the mental game that I talk about honestly in the book.

45:28 Building that muscle. Confidence is a muscle. You build it like any other muscle.

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45:47 You can get these.

45:48 A little cold for a t-shirt with a hoodie.

45:51 It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large. JoeAndJayTheShow.com. Go there and get it. I don't care if it's with a homeless man on the street or it's a super billionaire, right? Fat Joe gonna be Fat Joe. I never change the tone of my voice.

46:18 I never change how I talk.

46:20 I never, because I see people get around certain crowds and they just start Like, Sherri, you definitely seen some girlfriends get around different crowds and change how they talk and shit like that.

46:32 And I just won't do it.

46:33 Code switching.

46:34 Assimilating. It's called what? Code switching and assimilation.

46:39 Code switch is you try to switch to talk like whatever the majority culture is that you're.

46:44 Around at the time.

46:45 Assimilation is you come in and try to make yourself.

46:49 I'm only guilty of that in Jamaica.

46:52 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

46:54 No, I'm guilty of that, too.

46:54 You're guilty of that in Dubai. I got to work.

46:57 No, no, no. What's your name in Dubai? In Dubai, I'm Ali Kishan.

47:01 Alhamdulillah.

47:03 Assimilation. Assimilation.

47:05 You assimilate to the culture. So I'm jacking the culture out there? Assimilation is not jacking. I wouldn't know if I'm jacking the culture. Can I say something else, though?

47:14 It's not always a bad thing, because you got a lot of people watching the podcast right now going, yeah, but you fat joke.

47:20 You're Jadakiss.

47:21 Of course, y'all can walk into a room and be how you are because everybody is going to respect that and change to you.

47:28 Right.

47:28 Some people out there are trying to figure out how do I make it work at my job in a corporate culture?

47:35 You know what I mean?

47:36 I'm over here.

47:37 I'm trying to pitch an investor to get money.

47:39 Sometimes it is necessary to understand the culture you're going into.

47:43 You don't change who you are. Let me be very clear. You never change who you are.

47:48 It is important, though, to make people understand, especially if you're trying to be a part of their world, that you're going to fit and add value by being who you are in their world. So it's two different things. I just want to point that out. It's not about not being who you are.

48:03 Be who you are.

48:04 But you might sit around the house and curse and say the N-word and just be wild. You don't necessarily have to do that in every environment. I don't want people to hear Joe and think, oh, fuck it, I can just be me.

48:15 Well, relax. Nah, y'all gotta relax.

48:17 Where are you going into? What is the culture of that place? What is it that you want from them? How can you present yourself as somebody that can give them something they don't have, still be true to you, but also fit in with the culture of that place?

48:29 You know what's crazy, man?

48:31 It's all about adding value.

48:32 I see my mans that earn your leisure. Somebody made a cartoon about it. They told a story. We went to Kamala Harris' house.

48:40 Was you there that night? I was there. You was fucking there!

48:44 I was there.

48:45 I wanted to see where the story went first.

48:47 No, you was dead. No, the story.

48:49 The story, I'm not even.

48:50 We had an amazing time. I'm not even talking about.

48:53 We had a good time.

48:54 What they said.

48:55 He was at the black man's dinner.

48:57 Yes.

48:57 Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris at her house had some very important.

49:01 Very important. Spike Lee, everybody.

49:04 Yo, original black man from Asia.

49:06 Absolutely. I'm in the building.

49:09 I didn't go to the Ricky Martin joint. No, what I'm saying, it was a big moment.

49:14 It was a big moment. Why was it talk about that? Well, he did say the funniest part of the shit. He's a black bear from ages. The original. God crack him. Great God Allah. But let me explain something to you. From Asia.

49:26 I didn't go to the Ricky Martin one. They didn't invite me.

49:29 They invited you to the original black man. They invited me to the original black man dinner, but that's irrelevant, right?

49:35 What I am saying... They invite me to the Ricky Martin.

49:37 So I feel a little.

49:39 Let me tell you something.

49:41 Anyway, man, you fucking.

49:42 We got you invited next time, kid. What I'm saying is... If we there, we bringing you. We were extra thirsty. They were taking their time to bring out waters.

49:51 And he tells a story that I get up And I go in the kitchen and the Secret Service everywhere.

49:57 It's really her house.

49:58 Yeah. Correct?

49:59 And everybody got white glasses. It's the vice president's house. Some vice president's house. Walking around Kamala's house. What's wrong with you?

50:05 The guard needed the water. And you know, I'm going to go get to it. And everybody, he said, everybody took like a breath. They're like, like Joe walked in the kitchen, grabbed the fucking Aquapana, came out like, yo, what's up, man? Yo, they taking too long. He said, motherfucker was like, Nah, it's just, anyway, but that's what I mean.

50:28 I'm going to be me. Joe going to be Joe. You've earned that. You had a certain love, right? You and him were walking around the vice president's house.

50:35 He was there. I was there.

50:36 He was there. It 100% happened and Kiss is right.

50:41 You was definitely wild.

50:42 I was out of pocket.

50:43 He was fucking walking around the vice presidential residence just wild.

50:48 Just secret service, everything.

50:50 Like the rest of us, we were trying to like sit in the right seat.

50:54 You know, this is, I don't want to talk politics, right? But, You know, Trump could.

50:59 Take a $ 400 million plane. I remember I was giving them my Terror Squad Air Force that was coming out at the time. I was giving it to the vice president. And they took a gift over $ 60?

51:09 Yeah.

51:10 It's like, you got to sign forms and all. So I'm trying to give it a sneak of the Secret Service pushing it back to me. I'm trying to give it a sneak of the Secret Service pushing it back.

51:18 It was like a tug of war. I was like, yo, man, the president.

51:21 Yeah.

51:22 These are for you.

51:22 She was like, Joe, thank you. Like, literally, the Secret Service was fighting me to give her a pair of Air Force Ones.

51:29 Like, over the budget.

51:31 Yeah, yeah.

51:33 Over the budget.

51:34 I'm like, yo.

51:35 His stories is crazy. But he's right.

51:37 Let me say something.

51:38 That's crazy. We're not talking politics, but Joe. Unless you give it to him. No, no, I gave it to her. You had to call her.

51:45 You know I'm going to get the job done by you talking to the wrong guy.

51:48 She wanted to take it. But here's what I would say.

51:51 Her team had to be extra careful, just like Barack's team, right?

51:56 She is the first female black vice president, right? There is a.

52:02 Level of scrutiny that she had that other people just don't have. So you can't compare her to the cat that's in the White House right now that just does things.

52:10 Yeah, I wasn't even comparing her. I was comparing the Secret Service for not letting me give her, gift her a pair of Air Force Ones.

52:18 But Joe, but do you understand what I'm saying? It's not a regular thing for the Facebook. of scrutiny, right? Because they would have reamed her. They would have come after her for accepting an improper gift.

52:29 You were doing the right thing, but so were they. You know what I mean?

52:32 And my point is that there's a level of entitlement that she didn't have, that Barack didn't have. They were trying to make sure they did everything by the book because they knew the second they deviated at all... Motherfuckers was going.

52:44 To be like, I think the next black president got to deviate. What do you mean the next? I think they can't go by the book. They got to go in and go Donald Trump-ish on that motherfucker. Who's the next?

52:55 You got to. Who's the next?

52:56 Because you can't play it safe like this. Who's next? You can't go up and be like, who's next? Black president.

53:05 Jadakiss.

53:06 I know. I vote for you.

53:08 I voted for you. I'm not voting for you. Ain't no going to Yonkers to one of them booths to be like, yo, my man. I'm like, I don't know who the fuck is the next black president.

53:18 There's not one. There's never. That's the bullshit. That's bullshit.

53:23 My brother Tupac Shakur said there'll never be a black president and we seen two.

53:29 That's not true, brother. Well, we've seen one.

53:32 Well, we've seen the vice president.

53:34 It's a fucking president. Well. Oh, it's not. It's a vice president.

53:36 Like, is a correctional officer.

53:38 Not a cop?

53:39 No. No, that's not the same. What? You can't do that. No. That's not the same.

53:43 You got to go to the correctional officer. You're not.

53:46 You got to stand at the. Okay, yo.

53:49 Can you help me out? My guy's wild.

53:50 Will, can you help me out? Will.

53:53 James, let Will help. Is the correction officer tough? That's not that. You are talking about levels of power, okay? You have a president, vice president, as you know. You cannot say we've had two black presidents. Now, you can say we've had two people in the Oval Office, right? Because that is a part of that. And so Kamala, everything she did.

54:13 Don't let me be Kamala because I would have been the next... Can I say something?

54:17 When you say the next and Kiss goes, we'll never have a next, here's why. Unless Kamala follows every fucking rule, there won't be a next because they will use her.

54:27 Because we don't have every president. We up to 47, right? 46 have been white men. Only one.

54:35 If that one fucks it up, now he is the example for everybody else.

54:40 We done had a lot of fuck-ups in the other 46.

54:42 But the way that America looks at it is like if Barack or Kamala accepts your gift, which is improper.

54:50 $ 60.

54:50 Hey, don't, but I'm saying.

54:52 $ 60.

54:52 I'm with you. I'm with you. I was there. I was at the table.

54:55 Fat Joe, listen, guy, everyone from President, vote for me because we're going to fuck the whole shit up.

55:00 Well, see, that's why you're not going to win. We're just, You just canceled yourself.

55:05 I was going to vote for you. I was going to vote for you to tell that.

55:11 I can't even.

55:12 Vote for you. Little cannabis on the yard.

55:15 Let's get this shit. I'm talking to the camera. As Joe's campaign manager, he does not mean no statement.

55:24 It took the gold. The gold's gone. It took the last of the gold. There'll be no more black president. Take my word on that.

55:33 No, I don't think that.

55:35 Anything is possible. I will say that a lot of people said that before, Barack.

55:38 You know what I mean?

55:39 No, I don't believe that. They give us one, Will. I'm with you. I hear you. They gotta give you shit.

55:43 No, no, no, no, no, no.

55:44 I take that back.

55:45 Sonography.

55:47 There might be another one.

55:49 We won't see him or her. Not true. Okay.

55:52 All right. That's not true. Can I add something to that?

55:56 Sure.

55:56 We will determine If it happens.

55:59 And by we, I mean the people being active in the voting process.

56:03 It is up to us. It's not up to everybody else in the power structure. Let me finish the thought. Guys, we need more flags.

56:11 Joe, give me this. We give too much credence.

56:23 To the power structure, thinking it doesn't matter what we do. The same thing is true in the movie business. People tell me all the time, like, why they don't make movies about blah, blah, blah? I say, because you aren't going to see them. Hollywood will make movies about this flag. If everybody say, yo, the flag movie coming out this Friday, I.

56:41 Got to go see it.

56:42 You would have 10 movies about the fucking flag. We have power that we don't understand and don't realize. And the same is true when it comes to politics and voting. So there will be another black president if we say, yo, we're going to go out and we're going to vote and we're going to make sure that our voices is heard.

57:01 I'm just saying.

57:02 So at the end of the day, we have power that we don't recognize and don't realize.

57:06 That's all I'm saying. I just wanted to say that. You see, I have the power to listen more than him. Unquestionable. Come Atlanta politics.

57:20 Yeah.

57:21 That shit's a real shit show.

57:23 Why you keep talking about politics?

57:26 No, because I'm just saying, I was there when my man, the football player, was running. Herschel Walker.

57:32 Herschel Walker was his name, y'all.

57:35 Herschel Walker was the worst.

57:36 Herschel Walker was his name, y'all.

57:37 Herschel Walker said some wild things. I love Herschel Walker.

57:40 I think he's one of the strongest individuals in the world. But he said, was you listening? He was saying some crazy things. I'm in Atlanta at the Ritz-Carlton. I turned on the news, and it's like, Herschel Walker. Next thing you go, shh.

57:56 His wife.

57:56 He stuck a gun in my mouth and told me he'll blow my brains out after I think he asked CT.

58:03 Hershey Walker. I'm his illegitimate son.

58:07 He never like, this shit was like, yo, how the.

58:10 Fuck this guy was running for anything out there? Yo, I couldn't believe. He's one of the worst candidates in the history of Kansas.

58:18 Ever!

58:18 But, Ever!

58:21 They tried to say because he was black that black people were going to vote for him. And black people did not. And this is not a political podcast. I'm with Kiss, but I'm just going to say.

58:30 I'm trying to get in the movie. Ultimately, we have the power. We got to decide.

58:36 And it's not about skin tone. Shout out to Keisha Lance Bottoms. Sister, mayor of Atlanta, running for governor of Georgia right now. Shout out to Dave Jolly, the white guy running against a black candidate in.

58:48 Florida for governor. Shout out to Dave Jolly.

58:50 We not voting for Byron Dobbs, even though he's black because he is heavy on the Trump train. He is somebody that is just rubber stamping everything Trump said.

58:59 Why you pointing at me?

59:01 I ain't on no fucking Trump train.

59:03 We know. I went out there to Florida on one time and all of us went out there.

59:09 So money.

59:10 Called me with the party. For me? No, for me.

59:14 Does Joe need a party?

59:15 I don't need it.

59:15 I need a party. Listen, they called me with some business.

59:20 Mr.

59:20 Meek.

59:21 I got anonymous texts about that kind of thing.

59:26 But I don't need it.

59:28 I got a clean ride.

59:29 I don't need a party.

59:31 I need it.

59:32 Pardon me. What's the guy who went to Florida, he's smoking crack and shit like that now?

59:37 The guy that's a politician.

59:39 I gave you flags. I gave you more flags.

59:42 Yo, come back, Joe. Come back.

59:44 Come back. We went to Florida for this guy campaign for a night. You can't say that kind of stuff.

59:49 Oh, relax.

59:50 You're talking about my guy, Andrew Gillum. Addiction is tough. I know Zach, he.

59:55 Went to FAMU. He's never going to be in politics.

59:57 He wanted perhaps something for the nose. I went over there, yo, my man's going to be the next. He said, perhaps something for the nose.

1:00:06 Yo, this guy's pretty.

1:00:08 Kiss. How you doing?

1:00:09 How are you, FAMU?

1:00:11 I so appreciate you having me on the podcast.

1:00:14 For having me.

1:00:15 We've been able to talk about some good things.

1:00:17 We've been able to talk about some good things. I got the book here on Time's Best Seller.

1:00:20 How's the wife?

1:00:22 Wife is amazing.

1:00:22 Wife is beautiful.

1:00:24 Let me tell you something. I know both of y'all know this. You're nothing without that right hand. You're nothing without somebody.

1:00:30 What's the fact?

1:00:31 I tell people all the time, it's the most amazing business decision you'll ever make.

1:00:37 People look at it like it's separate. I got my personal life. I got my business.

1:00:39 Absolutely not. You are going to be better at business with somebody who every.

1:00:44 Day is telling you.

1:00:44 One mortgage.

1:00:45 Go out. One credit card. That is true as well.

1:00:48 One everything.

1:00:48 Go out and slay the wolves, slay the dragons. Go out and kill it, King. Like, somebody telling you that.

1:00:53 Shake the kingdom.

1:00:54 When I'm sitting across, let's talk about it in the book. My wife did for C. Columbus, she said, go kill that nigga over there. Well.

1:00:59 My wife be like, he did what? But she's on your side. It's Columbia, we'll hang him. Go get him!

1:01:05 I'm like, yo, mom, what's wrong with you? Do you like the Birkins? I'm going to jail. Like, what's wrong with you?

1:01:11 Yo, why don't we put in Joe's drink?

1:01:13 That's a real, like, was it the same thing that Megan's kids had?

1:01:17 Yo, listen to what I'm saying to your will. I got a violent... She'll set me on a mission.

1:01:22 But she rides for you.

1:01:24 She is yours. No, they're going to ride or die. They need you there to buy more Birkins. They don't want you.

1:01:30 That's what I'm saying.

1:01:31 Listen, when you go out every day, it's a battle. And you're going out and you're going against people. And when I say that, I mean literally, like when you're negotiating, trying to do a deal, trying to start your own podcast, whatever it is, you're going against people. And if somebody that you have to negotiate against go against, is.

1:01:48 Have somebody at the house that's telling them, you know you ain't shit. Right? Before you go out there, I'm just letting you know you ain't.

1:01:55 Take out the trash, you fucked up the making up the bed.

1:01:58 Just letting you know you ain't shit.

1:01:59 And I can't wait for you to come home because I need to finish telling you why you ain't shit.

1:02:03 And then they leave the house. That's the balance.

1:02:05 Right?

1:02:06 That's that balance that you need. Well, well, you don't need that. You need that. Well, no, not somebody telling you that shit.

1:02:12 I was saying that you need somebody telling you. You know you are shit. Well, what if somebody was telling you that you are? My point was that you need somebody encouraging you.

1:02:23 I saw your wife at the concert the other night. She was so proud of you. She was proud of you. I definitely heard that. She was proud of you. She had a twinkle in her eye. She's bringing the cousins in. She's like greeting everybody. She was fucking happy, bro.

1:02:38 Yo, I feel like, Kiss, this might be a cry for help. You're not listening to your brother. I feel like he's trying to say something. I got a Dave Chappelle.

1:02:46 What was you? No, no, no.

1:02:48 I'm good. All right.

1:02:49 Okay.

1:02:49 Great speech. All right.

1:02:51 I want to shout out, before we leave Cameron Hall, my daughter was just on there today. Thank you.

1:02:57 I almost cried. I'm in the audience.

1:02:59 That's amazing.

1:03:01 Keep up the great work, Azzy. We love you.

1:03:04 Hello. If they would have threw that camera in my face one second, I would have cried in front of this shit, man. I said, yo, man, this shit was emotional. It's nothing like seeing your kids prosper. And thank you, Cameron, for seeing that come up. How come in Hollywood everything takes long And there's like this structure to where you got to ask them for this.

1:03:28 Have you ever... Can I please say something? Can I please say something? Why they send three people to tell you you got to be ready. They send somebody, then they send somebody. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about the PA be chasing you.

1:03:43 Exhibit A is here.

1:03:45 No, I'm not saying that. Can I ask you a question? Is there any way for you to get with.

1:03:53 A billionaire that's just going to fund whatever project you do, believes in you, and then you ain't got to go to Hollywood and ask, do we have the budget?

1:04:02 Has anybody ever thought of that?

1:04:05 Absolutely.

1:04:06 Has anybody ever said, let me get a money.

1:04:08 Guy that believes in me, who's willing to blow the bag, and I don't got to come and be.

1:04:14 The point is, we've seen our peak. Do you know it's the secret society of other people that run shit? when you break the infrastructure of something that been there before.

1:04:26 Is that correct? What is the secret society? We talking about the Illuminati? No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying. Full of shit. If something as powerful as Hollywood.

1:04:35 Yeah. Well, I know everything. You've seen me in the president's house.

1:04:40 I have.

1:04:40 Did he bop and roll and do this? I know everything. The vice president.

1:04:44 I know everything.

1:04:45 Vice president. He knows everything.

1:04:48 If there was a Illuminati president Fat Joseph Cartagena would have met him. I swear to God.

1:04:56 There's definitely no Illuminati. No, I'm telling you. I met the algorithm. But Kiss is right.

1:05:01 Joe, can you listen for three seconds?

1:05:04 This is the most... Three seconds. Give me three seconds to listen.

1:05:08 The most entertaining, the most dangerous podcast. Give me three seconds. Can you listen for three seconds?

1:05:13 This is incredible. I'm a fan. I'm sitting up here and y'all catch.

1:05:17 This is incredible. I was going to say is that, of course, there are.

1:05:21 Power structures and people that have, they have cliques and relationships and there are cultures that if you're not in it, then you are always on the outside. And when the big money conversations happen, if you're not somebody that is one of them, you can absolutely be left out. That's not, people like to say, oh, Illuminati and control. No, it's not that. But it's like anything. It's relationships.

1:05:43 Would they throw a red flag at you if you came and said, I got John Witherspoon III worth 70 billion and he's going to fund whatever I put out. Would you get some type of like infrastructure looking at you like, yo, what's up? What you trying to do?

1:05:58 No, no, because you still got to figure out distribution. Like I've had those conversations. It's a little more complex than that. So the barrier for somebody like me is not always the money. to make it right you want to make it you need your distribution you need marketing there are various levels to it there are people within the industry that are backed by outside backers right the reality is that when you think about it somebody you ever seen a movie that somebody tells you they did they shot it independently it came out and you're like oh I never heard of it I don't know anything about it because it wasn't in the system yeah A lot of times the system is what props it up, right?

1:06:32 You went to go see, you know, Girl Strip and you saw a trailer for Night School and that made you go, oh, okay, I'm into it.

1:06:38 You saw the marketing and billboards, et cetera, for Night School.

1:06:41 It's in the distribution, the AMC and Lowe's and, you know, Carmike and Regal.

1:06:45 Cinemas, they're putting it in there.

1:06:47 In a particular location because it came from a certain distributor. Those are the things that, it's not Illuminati, but it is about a network.

1:06:55 They're backing from the other, outside of the system.

1:06:58 I got to go watch a movie on Fordham Road and the Grand Concourse on the side block.

1:07:04 It's not wrong.

1:07:05 Let me tell you something. I know for a fact, and I'm going to leave it at that. If there was an Illuminati.

1:07:13 You met the algorithm. I would have met him. You met the algorithm.

1:07:15 I would have met him. Tell him you met the algorithm.

1:07:19 You know what happens? I met the algorithm.

1:07:20 I'm out. All right.

1:07:22 Yo. He met the algorithm. This ain't that. That ain't this.

1:07:27 It's crack and kiss, God damn it. Make some noise for Will Packer, man. Make sure you get the book.

1:07:32 He better you.

1:07:32 My guy. Who's better than you? My God. Yo, Will, because of you, I'm still family with Shayla. Yes.

1:07:40 I'm still family with the ladies that was putting the makeup on me.

1:07:44 Yeah.

1:07:44 I want to be family. I want the makeup.

1:07:48 I'm going to put this guy in a Teddy Ruxpin movie.

1:07:51 I want to see the trailer.

1:07:52 Yo, we're going to make you the next one. I don't mind late night shoots. My kind of actor. I don't mind being in the acting world. My kind of guy. Call me. I'm on it, kids. We'll be spelling shit.