THE HERD – HOUR 3 – Is Arch Manning The Next Trevor Lawrence?

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0:27 CJ Carr was his top-ranked quarterback. Watching Brian Greasy and Lloyd Carr in the Michigan game this weekend was so great. And let's bring him on. Todd McShay, NFL draft college football analyst. McShay Show podcast at The Ringer. You know, I saw a headline, Todd. It said, oh, Sark wants a better version of Arch. And my take is, well, what if there isn't one? Like, I can go to 50 five-star quarterbacks over the last decade. Maybe eight have been great NFL quarterbacks. Another eight make the league is I know he's got the size, but I'm watching Brock Purdy's processing his it factor, his confidence. He got Kyle Shanahan.

1:14 Is it possible that we just overvalued arch because he would have at a small academic power in Louisiana and he And maybe there is no next level to it.

1:27 It's absolutely possible, you know, and I'll take, you know, some of the blame if that turns out to be the case, right? He is 6'4. He is 230 pounds. He does run probably in the four fives. He has this acceleration about him. And there's also not many guys that can kind of take over a game down 21 fourth quarter and lead his team back. He thrives in chaos, call it. When it's fourth and seven and all chips are in and the game's over if they don't get it, that's when he gets it typically.

1:58 It's the mundane. It's the down in, down out. It's where his eyes need to be.

2:03 It's understanding the concepts and what they're trying to run. And so the answer here, it's got to be one of two answers, right, to the question of why isn't this working. And one of them is Arch doesn't get it. He's not a great processor. He's not football smart. That's potentially one of the answers. This also could be an Andor situation. But then there's the other option, which is, is Sark developing him the right way? Not can Sark develop quarterbacks and you go back. He was a quarterback coach of, of, um, Carson Palmer, but Norm child was the OC. And, and then again with Matt liner beyond that, I went back and looked like Mark in terms of being the OC and the quarter quarterback coach and or

2:49 head coach, it was Mark Sanchez, Jake Locker, Cody Kessler to a tongue of Iowa, Mack Jones, Bryce young.

2:56 He had as a freshman. I don't even count that. And in Quinn yours. Okay. when you're in that role.

3:05 You have to be, you have to do two things, right? You have to be an innovator and you have to empower. And I've watched more arch tape than probably any quarterback in the country. And maybe even the last couple of years, because I'm trying to figure out the answers here. One thing I don't know is the innovator part. Like, you have this quarterback who's really good in these situations. Why can't we put him in more of these situations? Are we stuck doing the thing that we've always done since USC and we've developed and we've fine tuned and we've kind of adjusted, but are you trying to make him into something he's not? And are you not picking up on these are, these are his weaknesses. He's not going

3:43 to understand where his eyes need to go for now. And are you not adjusting? And then there's the empowerment part, which I can tell you just watching the tape is not happening.

3:53 Like, did you watch? I'm certain you did. Notre Dame, BYU, CJ Carr. Yes.

3:58 CJ Carr doesn't spike the ball. He misses an open phase on in the end zone. Those two plays take that away. Absolutely brilliant in that game. Offensive line was okay.

4:08 Run game wasn't great. Wide receivers are just meh.

4:12 Yeah.

4:12 And he is leading that thing. And it starts with the pre-snap. protection setting, checking in and out, kill, kill, kill. He's doing all those things.

4:22 Arch isn't, man.

4:24 Arch is not empowered in that offense. Arch is driving someone else's vehicle. And so I can't sit here and definitively say, oh, Arch is never going to be a good NFL quarterback. I also get a lot of Trevor Lawrence vibes watching him.

4:38 Similar size, similar skill set.

4:41 Trevor Lawrence ran a very simplistic offense at Clemson and thrived with great talent around him, right? Got to the NFL, and I remember talking to a couple different GMs and a couple people in the building with the team that wound up drafting him. And the same thing was said, my gosh, the talent and it's intoxicating and all those things.

4:59 But man, I wish it was a little more like Mahomes or Andrew Luck. When we got him on the board, the recall, the understanding of concepts and schemes, he's not there yet. Well, it took five years and three different systems before we got to where Trevor Lawrence was last season. And this season, one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

5:20 And so maybe that's going to be the arc for Arch. Maybe he's not in the right place with the right person. But also it's possible that we completely overvalued him based on the skill set and the last name. And he's just not getting it. And will he ever get it then becomes the question.

5:36 Yeah. I want to ask you about Jaden Daniels because in back-to-back weeks, I mean, I watched him at Arizona State. I watched him at LSU. I've watched him with Washington. Cliff Kingsbury is like, I don't like the situation here.

5:53 I kind of feel bullied. I'm getting out of town. It's not been great since.

5:58 And I always have sympathy for young quarterbacks with defensive coaches in the NFL.

6:03 There's a lot of struggles.

6:04 And then all of a sudden, Caleb gets a Ben, Ben Johnson or, you know, you get the right coach.

6:11 So right. When I when I look at Jaden, do you remember? I said this earlier to.

6:16 Nick, right?

6:17 There's a casual nature.

6:18 I've never liked this. Drew Locke had this. where it's like.

6:22 You're playing Thanksgiving football with the cousins or flag football. There's a casualness to some guys. And I'm like, guys, it's football. This isn't baseball.

6:31 There's not a game tomorrow. Every snap counts.

6:34 And sometimes with Jaden, go back to your, you know, if you remember what you said at.

6:39 LSU, he's very casual.

6:42 Like often, I just don't love that about, I don't know if that's a personality trait that sticks forever.

6:48 What are you seeing? What do you remember?

6:51 How many different voices have been in his ear going back to his first year at Arizona State?

6:57 You know, right?

6:58 Like how many times has he had someone come in and say, okay, we're going to change this. This is how we're doing it. We're going to get the best. And how many different voices in the headset? I remember going back to LSU the year before he broke out.

7:12 I'm standing on the field with Brian Kelly.

7:15 And we're talking about how he was telling me how pissed off he was. It was a Tennessee game. They wound up losing that game. And he was talking about how the local media, they're so excited that he hasn't thrown an interception. We haven't lost a game, but we haven't played anyone. And I'm frustrated. And my message to him this week is you got to see it and let it rip.

7:36 Yeah.

7:37 Like it and and it was this development process over a two-year span at lsu of you're a phenomenal athlete you you can take off and run you have an arm and he also would say he's like todd the thing you don't see and i see it in practice and as an evaluator i want you to know this he can anticipate and throw to a spot as.

7:54 Well as any quarterback i've ever been around and and so And we've seen that, right?

7:59 And we saw in his rookie year, he was empowered and that fit what he wanted to do. And he was the guy. And now there's been turnover there. But I go back to that LSU Tennessee game. And again, they lost that game. But I'll never forget the first drop in that game. It was so clear to me. It was a comeback route on the left sideline. And he gets to the top of his drop. And I'm certain the message was, go ahead, throw a pick six.

8:24 We don't care. I want you to get to the top of your drop and drill that thing. And that was.

8:29 Empowering him to just to do what was supposed to happen and trust it and maybe build some confidence out of that. And we saw the next year after a year of being the same messaging, right? The next year he goes, he's the best player in college football. Number two, overall draft pick gets to a place where he's empowered again.

8:45 And now it's like, are we going under center changing the verbiage? We want to do this with you. And you mentioned Caleb, right? And I mentioned Trevor Lawrence. Like, what's the common denominator here? It's like we all just bang our heads against the wall with these quarterbacks.

9:01 And a lot of them are talented.

9:04 But there's only so many Kyle Shanahan's and McVay's.

9:08 I want to talk about Caleb with this because that's an interesting jump off point. Listen, you and I both, when we talked about Caleb in college, he was erratic, but his horsepower was insane.

9:21 It was like L1 plus 12. It was just, I mean, it.

9:23 Just didn't even look like a college player. Even in this first start at Oklahoma, you're like, what am I watching?

9:29 Are you, I mean, I.

9:31 Am actually shocked, not because I don't think he's a hard worker or coachable, but the fact you went 24 for 24 with a clean pocket. Now he's the league's most accurate quarterback. Are you somewhat surprised? Cause I said, when you're as good as Alan or Caleb horsepower, I don't need 68%. Give me 64.

9:50 I'm good.

9:51 Like, I don't need you to be drew breeze. Are you surprised how accurate he's been this year?

9:59 Yeah.

10:00 Yeah to a certain degree because we we all saw the same things where there was some inconsistency but i'm telling you when you are when you're confident in what you're doing you have that level of skill that's that's the magic right and it took what i don't remember maybe like six games before we started to see oh this thing with with ben and caleb it's gonna work yeah And, and, and, and everyone now is kind of mind eraser about what, what the rookie season was and even his last year at USC.

10:29 Right.

10:30 And, and now he's playing with confidence and I go back to arts, right? I, there are very few quarterbacks that I turn on the tape and watch during the week, getting ready. And it's starting to do evaluations for the draft where I'm watching it. I'm like, they don't, they don't have like the level of confidence is just, it's dead.

10:48 It's like he's dead inside. And so confidence comes from that empowerment. It comes from being innovative and understanding this is what works for him. And it also comes from a communication between the two partners in this thing of, okay, that doesn't work. You're not comfortable that your eyes need to be here than there. Then let's figure out what does work. And I'm so good at what I do as an offensive innovator. I can tailor it to what, to what makes you click, you know? And so we're watching, we knew, we knew as a pop, you talked about Oklahoma when he came out, I was.

11:22 Like, wait, what?

11:24 That first game was like, wait, he threw what he did, you know? And so there are certain guys that have that, but sometimes they don't get with the right, the right coaching and the right system. And it doesn't always fit, but you knew that if he did, that he had a chance to be one of the special, special ones.

11:41 And that's what we're getting to watch.

11:43 Let me ask you about C.J.

11:44 Carr, because I thought Notre Dame got a little hosed in the end zone with no pass interference, but I also thought they didn't play particularly well throughout the course of the game, and they blew a red zone opportunity.

11:54 They couldn't make stops on third down.

11:57 Just give me a and I know it's hard, but like I thought he was on the last drive where they didn't score a touchdown. I thought Carr was excellent. I thought he was athletic. He made a great left sideline throw. I'm like, that's a tough environment. And BYU, by the way, has NIL money. So they got dudes.

12:12 They got Sunday guys. They're big.

12:14 Yeah.

12:15 So is there a CJ Carr? Because he's going to go near the top of the board. I'd take him one or two right now. Is there a comp that you see?

12:26 Oh, that's interesting. Purdy's actually not a terrible comp.

12:31 Yeah.

12:32 I wrote that down.

12:34 Because.

12:35 I had a chance to be around CJ at the Manning Passing Academy this summer and just watching him work with the defensive backs during a drill, like a seven-on-seven type drill, and his understanding of leverage and adjusting coverages and where your eyes have to be as a quarterback. And to watch him run the whole thing from an offensive and defensive perspective, then to sit down and watch his tape, you get an understanding of who he is and what's between the ears of and his deep understanding of the game. Now, he's not 6'4. He's 6'2, maybe.

13:11 He's not 230. He's like 215. He's not a great runner. But Brock's none of those things, man. I mean, it's the same build. It's the same. There's enough quickness to if something breaks down, I can take off and run. But I'm going to live off of what's here, processing, and and anticipation as a passer and to see his growth and development from last year to this year where he was killing in the middle of the field and and and there were certain throws that he was excellent on and then but this year to see him take that next step um I think he's got a chance to be great but again it's not going to be transcendent talent right in this quarterback class everyone can't stand this quarterback class it's another year of a bunch of

13:55 busts and I get it but like Where's Arch going to be next year? Let's see him develop. He's not ready. We've got Sam Levitt, who's an absolute star from a tool standpoint. Another year with Lane. We've got Lenora Sellers. He's going to be a transfer portal guy. Maybe he goes to Miami and becomes the next Cam Ward or Beck or Mensah. And in this year's class, we still have Carr. Trinidad Chambliss is playing at an elite, elite level.

14:18 Darian Mensah is playing at an elite level. Drew Mestemaker, let's see how it goes. I'm not ready to crown him yet, but this cat's got some– some real traits that are, can be developed at Oklahoma state. And you still got Dante Moore, by the way, let's see when he comes back from a concussion, he wasn't playing nearly as bad as everyone wants us to say. And that, that lost to Oklahoma state, he actually was pretty sensational in that game. So there's an, Oh, and by the way, Brandon Sorsby is just kind of training off in the, in the yonder and getting ready for And he's a toolsy guy that could be a second, third round pick that could wind up being.

14:50 A starter in the league.

14:50 So the next two years and then throw Camario Taylor from Mississippi State and maybe Keelan Russell into the twenty twenty eight group.

14:58 There's just a lot of quarterbacks. I get it. It's not playing out with Arch and a couple of these guys.

15:03 Dante had the concussion, but there's still a lot of like, OK, let's be patient as evaluators.

15:08 We've got this two year run with a ton of talented guys.

15:12 Todd McShay, the ringer. Podcast is great, as always. A lot of good stuff, the quarterbacks. Good and bad. Good seeing you, bud.

15:19 Good seeing you, too, man.

15:22 Yeah, that Notre Dame-BYU game was off the chain.

15:28 Do people still say that? It was off the hook, then it was off the chain.

15:32 Say both.

15:33 Okay.

15:34 Well, I like my lexicon to be up to young people's standards. I got a young staff here. I used to use lit four or five times a show. I've cut back that mid about once a show.

15:46 You don't need to worry about the outside, folks. You do you, Colin. Who cares about what they're saying about you on the internet? By the way, I was just texting someone about this Arch Manning. I'm just telling you, the polarization from people who are on coaching staffs in college football about Arch Manning is insane right now.

16:06 It's insane.

16:07 Talk to your USC people, would you?

16:09 I'm just really curious. USC's got a guy. USC's got a dude.

16:12 No, I'm not.

16:13 He's not going any. He's not transferring, bro. He's going to the NFL. He's not going to another school. You know, he turns 23 before the draft, right? Arch is not going to another school. Come on.

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17:11 Speaking of quarterbacks, what's going on with Lamar Jackson? So we were told last week, oh, he could return to practice.

17:16 He didn't.

17:17 Now we're told Lamar could potentially practice this week with a big game against the Bengals on deck. And guess what? Nobody thinks Lamar's going to practice.

17:28 You know why?

17:28 You see that line? It was three. Ravens three. Now it's down to two and a half. I know some people are like, J-Mac, too much gambling. You can tell a lot about what's going on from the gambling lines, folks. OK, that's sharp money saying Lamar ain't playing. It's going to be Snoop Huntley again. Bengals off of a bye, Colin. Lamar, I mean, it was hurt last year. He's hurt again.

17:52 No, I think it's kind of in the off season. I sold a lot of my stock. I think he's really talented. A lot of changes on the coaching staff.

18:00 There's been, you know, it's just, it's a great operation.

18:05 I love their backup quarterback, but afc is the better conference top to bottom now the best team may be san francisco but i think the afc i mean you got the texans with a losing record i wouldn't want to play the texans in the first round of playoffs like no thank you so i um i i think that division i think it's a riot that cleveland.

18:27 Is in first place i love it it's temporary um I don't know.

18:31 What are we doing here with Lamar, though? He was hurt last year. He's hurt again this year.

18:36 He's incredibly popular.

18:37 He's the soul of the franchise. They're not moving off him. They love him.

18:41 Not moving off him. I'm not saying they would. He wanted a contract in the offseason and did not get it.

18:46 Right. I would have a hard time giving him a four or five year deal with a lot of money because it's a health issue.

18:52 That's crazy.

18:53 I know.

18:53 But I.

18:56 I would struggle with it.

18:57 And again, I think Snoop is a great bridge quarterback if you ever got to that spot. I think he's arguably the best backup in the league. So if you got into that situation, I just don't see them moving off Lamar. But again, what's the bargain being driven? If it's $ 65 million, you're not giving me a lot of choices.

19:17 So this is where it gets fun. Because if Lamar wants $ 60 million... coming off two injury-plagued seasons. Do you give it to him, or do you draft Arch Manning or Drew Mestemaker?

19:28 No, I would struggle. I would struggle.

19:32 This is why this is so fun.

19:33 This job is amazing. Josh Allen, great, never gets hurt. That's easy.

19:41 And he's been good in the playoffs, though he hasn't won a Super Bowl. Lamar struggles in the playoffs. hurt back-to-back years, and when he loses in the playoffs, he doesn't play well. So it's like, okay, now we've got an availability issue. Now we've got a gets a little tight in the playoff issue. That's a, I mean, if I'm paying you 60, you know how few quarterbacks I'd pay 62?

20:08 Josh Allen, and then let me, and Mil Holmes. That's about it.

20:13 So you've been hot on this. Offensive coaches are leading divisions. Maybe tomorrow, consider taking a look at how the highest paid quarterbacks are doing so far this season.

20:25 I don't know. It could be worth a look.

20:26 All right, let's move on, Colin. And that's the Seattle Seahawks and the Kansas City Chiefs Sunday night.

20:32 A huge one.

20:34 Chiefs undefeated going to Seattle. Colin, we got word from Mike McDonald that it's a possibility that the immortal Zach Charbonnet, the savior in Seattle, could return this week. Zach Charbonnet, he, um, geez, what? People are confusing him with Emmitt Smith at this point. He has so many thousand-yard seasons, so many touchdowns.

20:58 He's a very good 12-touchback per game. And right now, Kenneth Walker can give you 22. He can give you 12 to 13.

21:05 They need that.

21:09 Part-time back last year with K-9, and Kenneth Walker's got his revenge game coming up.

21:15 Oh, yeah.

21:16 Very excited. I'm juiced up for this game. You know, they asked me for my picks sometimes on Tuesday, and I have sent in four all-around. Feeling really good about this week, including this game. This makes me... Listen, primetime, Mahomes... Kenneth Walker, the Seattle defense. And let's be real. Seattle has not looked great. I didn't think they looked great on Thursday night.

21:40 Did you?

21:41 Your guy, Sam Darnold?

21:43 Well, it'd be nice if he had some help beyond JSN.

21:48 So he needs some help. He's not an elevator. He can't just raise the level of Rasheed Shahid. He's got a tight end.

21:56 He has. Shahid played great against him.

21:58 He did have a decent game.

21:59 He had a very good game. Only Darnold could bring that talent out of him. Can't throw picks in overtime, my friend. Cannot do that. Let's go to the NBA, Colin. Listen, if you could tell that I'm excited.

22:12 NBA tips off, hell, I think here shortly with Celtics Pistons, but obviously the big one tonight. Sixers, Knicks, LeBron, Jalen Brown making their debut with Philly against the Knicks who get their rings. I know you're excited for LeBron. The nightcap is OKC Spurs. How good was that series last year?

22:32 The flopping thunder go down.

22:34 I think Philadelphia is fascinating. Now, remember, it took D. Wade, Bosh, and LeBron about 17, 18 games to get it right.

22:42 I think they were.

22:43 I don't remember what the record was, but weren't they like 9-8 or they were real choppy? These pieces, it's going to take... You've got to give the Sixers 15 games. You've got a lot of guys that need the ball. This isn't like LeBron and AD that work after two games.

22:59 That was an easy one. Some of these matchups....

23:04 It's going to take time there's too many guys that want to play on ball and not enough guys that want to be off ball so this is going to be a work in progress.

23:13 I will say lebron going east you don't have to stay up late no more late nights for you big guy i know watching the lakers now 4 p.m tip off uh for the west coasters seven o'clock for you you could still have your uh you know, your martini or your chocolate milk, whatever you're drinking, and watch LeBron go to work. Who's defending Jalen Brunson in the final three minutes when this game is close?

23:34 VJ Edgecombe.

23:36 No.

23:36 Go back and look at the series last year. He got torched. I think you probably put Jalen Brown on him.

23:41 Well, you can do that too.

23:42 Remember, the Knicks smashed them. Sixers are out for revenge. Listen, NBA's back, baby. It's a great time to be alive.

23:49 Well, the next two to three weeks, World Series, NBA, LeBron with a new team, college football's amazing.

23:58 I mean, honestly, we could do a six-hour show with three hours dedicated to the college football 2014 playoff. I like when you and I talk about this off-air because it feels like a slam-dunk case, and I just NBA, all this stuff.

24:12 It's great.

24:13 I'm just excited.

24:14 Jay Mack with the news.

24:16 Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herdline News.

24:21 The whole 2014 playoff, newspaper people hate it.

24:27 They don't like it.

24:27 But newspapers, remember, when you open up a newspaper, it's all yesterday's news. They cling to contextualization and history. And they always think, hey, we're newspaper people. We're the smart ones. We'll give you the real history. We're not going for the big money and the flash and the snazzy. You know, so I newspaper people all love baseball history and lore.

24:51 They all want to be music critics or movie critics. And and, you know, it's I get newspaper guy like newspaper guys like it's all gross.

25:00 It's all money. It's all.

25:03 Yeah, that's why you have football for television content or other. Otherwise, we wouldn't have an NIL and you wouldn't have so many great coaches because they'd go be stockbrokers.

25:13 And that's why the NFL.

25:15 Is as good as it is, because the owners make a lot of money and they pay great athletes and great. You know, it used to be. Think about how cyclical sports are. Baseball is not as athletic now as the NBA or the NFL. Why?

25:31 Well, I mean.

25:33 NBA is cooler than baseball and the NFL, you'll get richer and you won't have to go to the minor leagues.

25:39 You go college right to the pros. So it's all cyclical.

25:43 So a lot of the stuff that's anti 2014 playoff, it's a lot of old school and there's nothing wrong with that. Like almost to a person newspaper, people hate it, you know? And, and my take is I get it. I get, I get the sensibility and the culture of, of, you know, print and, They get anxiety and angst around big money and billionaires. My take is it's football. If the product's good, I'm watching. I don't care if it's a 12-team playoff, a 24-team playoff. If Notre Dame's playing BYU, I know this, it matters. What you think the people in Provo are like, yeah, we don't need to go tonight.

26:25 We got a lot going on in Provo. We're not going to go to the Notre Dame game. You think that's what's going to happen with the playoff or Auburn, Alabama? No, we don't really care who wins. Really?

26:36 You Michigan, Ohio state. Hey, we'll catch it next year.

26:41 You eat the products either good or it's not. The product will always, I think college football, the product's better because the players are older because NIL is hurting the last couple rounds of the NFL draft. I mean, from the middle of the fifth round in this last draft, like I didn't know if there was guys that could make the league.

26:58 It was a lot of special teams guys.

27:01 So college football's dinging the NFL's later rounds of the draft. We've had a multiple week drafts in the last four or five years.

27:09 Have you noticed that? I don't remember us.

27:11 When I was growing up, 20s, 30s, 40s, oh, it's another bad draft. They were all pretty good. So there is something about the 2014 playoff. All my buddies that are in radio and TV, they love it. They're all like, yeah, more great games. Be like the NFL. Everybody in my kind of orbit, they're all into it. All the TV people I know are like, oh, it's going to be great.

27:37 And Fox, we don't even have it.

27:39 It's like, oh, it's going to be great.

27:42 And the print guys. J-Mac used to be one of those guys. Wearing Doolin earrings and writing a column for the Schenectady B. Finally kicked that thing to the curb. Live in Chicago, it's the Herd.

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28:03 Friday, the World Series begins on Fox. The Raisin Brewers will look to make history. As both teams chase their first ever title. Game one of the World Series coverage begins Friday at 7 Eastern on Fox. It's all part of Foxtoberfest.

28:21 Milwaukee's favorite and should be. Junior Caminero hit a home run last night.

28:25 Here's the Rays radio network.

28:29 The pitch to Caminero.

28:31 Swung and drilled.

28:32 Deep left.

28:33 Down the line.

28:35 Gone off the pole.

28:37 A two-run home run off the foul pole and left. And Junior Cabanero celebrating and just now got to first base.

28:47 And that may have punched the Rays' ticket to the Fall Classic.

28:53 Uh by the way if we show the video more of it uh i thought he went over the line and i am not an old school baseball i'm a baseball casual i push back on all the grumpy baseball people years ago that said there's a way to play the game no there isn't just be respectful I don't think he's terribly respectful here at first base.

29:11 Now, Jay Mack loves this.

29:12 That's what he does when he hits the occasional mid-range jumper in his C-level games at the Bayshore Club. But I think, again, I don't mind doing this on the ear. That doesn't bother me at all. Like, he stops right here before home plate.

29:27 What are we doing?

29:28 That's a.

29:29 That crossed the imaginary line just a little. By the way, this is the Hulk Hogan move. Remember when Hulk Hogan would body slam someone?

29:35 I don't mind it at all. That part I can live with. I don't mind the fist pumping. I don't even mind you hit it and you stare for 1,001.

29:42 Okay, get moving.

29:45 I'm not giving you a three count. You can stare at it for a second and a half. You can do it like that right there. You're not a pro.

29:52 Wrestler, bro.

29:53 It took 38 seconds.

29:53 38.

29:53 I'm four.

29:53 I'll give you... 29.

30:02 I'm not giving you 38 and I'm not getting all the gyrations.

30:04 I think this is Bush league.

30:06 Where are you on the bat flips? backflips yeah you throw the bat after you hit the home.

30:11 Run again i don't care the first second and a half it's like there's a natural physical emotion like you hit it you flip it it doesn't bother me you stare at it i grew up with reggie jackson i like a little arrogance i think it's great right that at first base that's.

30:29 Tacky so here's here's where we are as a society colin This guy's social media numbers are going to soar after this because this is going to go viral. And people are going to be like, oh, that's cool. Celebrating showboating. That's the world we live in now. Like, make it all about you and then get your social numbers up and then you make more money.

30:47 Honestly, that's where we're headed.

30:48 So I guarantee you, here's what he's not thinking about. So what about the next batter? The downside to doing that, unless it's a walk-off, if it's a walk-off, it's different. You do that in the sixth or seventh inning, what about the next two raised batters? Those guys get plunked. So it's really easy to live in your little silo, and you're the man, but somebody's going to pay the price for that. And again, if it's a walk-off, take an hour. I don't care. The other team's heading to the showers. But we got innings left, and I guarantee you that was.

31:21 I didn't watch. Um i'm watching.

31:24 Nfl football i'm sorry i watched national league playoffs i thought were unbelievable we had pat murphy on who was so good a couple hours ago and i it was funny because he coached at notre dame and i said he's got a reputation that he loves bunting as a manager and i asked pat murphy about about his history with bunting.

31:44 I felt like you got to be able to beat people in many different ways just like a football team.

31:48 You can't just run the option.

31:49 You know, you got to be able to beat teams in many ways. So I worked because when you're indoors all the time, practicing baseball, there's a lot of things you can work on and bunting it, hit run and stealing bases and the threat to steal. It all has its place in the game. And if you can impact, if I can make the quarterback feel rushed, rushed in football, right?

32:11 If you can make that quarterback feel like he has no time, that changes how he's going to perform.

32:16 Well, The little game does the same thing in baseball.

32:19 Yeah, and both the Rays and the Brewers play the little game. So I think it's going to be a very, very well-played game. A lot of base runners. There's going to be a lot of activity. These are not strikeout home run teams. The Rays had more singles, I believe, percentage of hits than any team in baseball, and the Brewers can rake. So you're going to get, to me, you're going to get plays at the plate, play at second, you know, first to third. You're going to get all sorts of base runners, even though the pitching's outstanding. You're going to get, especially as you get into game three, game four, game five. I think it's, I think it's like a six game series, Milwaukee. I'll take Milwaukee in six,

32:55 but it's going to be, you're going to have really good pitching, but eventually you're going to get a lot of base runners, a lot of activity, kind of anti-analytics where it's long ball strikeout. I think it could be a great series. I'll take Milwaukee. Want to thank the Brewers for helping us out. Tremendous, tremendous organization.