Letting Your Higher Spirit Lead Your Life’s Flow: Shamans Cave

1 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:07.520 Renee Baribeau: Hello, everyone! Welcome to the Shaman's Cave. I'm Renee Baribeau, the Practical Shaman here.

2 00:00:08.750 --> 00:00:18.490 Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave. And today, I think we have a really important topic to talk about.

3 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:28.469 Sandra Ingerman: So, in the past, we've done, you know, Renee and I… we… Renee, we've done, like, what, 8 years of shows?

4 00:00:28.470 --> 00:00:30.810 Renee Baribeau: I believe we're, like, almost to year 9.

5 00:00:31.020 --> 00:00:33.390 Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, so we're almost here, 9.

6 00:00:33.870 --> 00:00:50.349 Sandra Ingerman: So, you know, as the changes have happened over the last 9 years, we've done different shows on how to get through challenging times. We have multiple shows on…

7 00:00:50.350 --> 00:01:06.530 Sandra Ingerman: how to get through challenging times. And so, we're… in some ways, we're doing a similar show today, but I believe it's a little bit different, because the times that we're in are even more challenging right now.

8 00:01:06.570 --> 00:01:23.020 Sandra Ingerman: I still look at the news, and I'm actually thinking about doing what I did, back in the 1970s, when I stopped looking at the papers for years. I didn't even know who the president of the country was.

9 00:01:23.020 --> 00:01:34.410 Sandra Ingerman: And it was how I kept my sanity, when all my protesting and how hurt I got in my protesting led to no change in the Vietnam War.

10 00:01:34.410 --> 00:01:40.410 Sandra Ingerman: I just needed time out, to not have a nervous breakdown.

11 00:01:40.410 --> 00:01:59.600 Sandra Ingerman: And so, Renee and I have actually been encouraging you to look at maybe stopping looking at some of what's going on. But there is so much going on, we're being flooded with so much suffering, so much change, so much craziness.

12 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:09.130 Sandra Ingerman: And so, I started, right now we have a fire in Santa Fe that is affecting our national forest.

13 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:13.629 Sandra Ingerman: And it could come down and destroy our watershed.

14 00:02:13.900 --> 00:02:26.990 Sandra Ingerman: And it could hit Santa Fe. It… there's always the possibility we're getting tons of lightning with no rain. There's a possibility that my house can be burned down any moment.

15 00:02:27.140 --> 00:02:38.689 Sandra Ingerman: And so, I started thinking about it, and I started thinking about how the one thing I know is that mountains create their own weather.

16 00:02:39.130 --> 00:02:39.660 Renee Baribeau: So…

17 00:02:39.660 --> 00:02:42.739 Sandra Ingerman: So, to me, the fact that

18 00:02:42.880 --> 00:02:49.849 Sandra Ingerman: They keep saying, we're supposed to get rain, we're supposed to get rain, we're supposed to get rain, it's always in the forecast.

19 00:02:50.010 --> 00:02:58.870 Sandra Ingerman: But it's not coming, or it's isolated, and it hits one block, or it hits one city in New Mexico.

20 00:02:59.030 --> 00:03:08.030 Sandra Ingerman: I started thinking about the spirit of Santa Fe, who used to be my teacher in the Upper World in my shamanic journeys.

21 00:03:08.090 --> 00:03:11.290 Sandra Ingerman: It's doing what she needs to do.

22 00:03:11.310 --> 00:03:29.230 Sandra Ingerman: This is her decision. It's not… it's not coming from outside. If she decides she wants it to rain, it will. We all know that's one of the things we talked about on another show, is mountains create their own weather.

23 00:03:29.710 --> 00:03:34.839 Sandra Ingerman: So what that led me to was stop worrying.

24 00:03:35.180 --> 00:03:42.339 Sandra Ingerman: Because everything that's going on right now, as crazy as it seems.

25 00:03:42.430 --> 00:03:56.810 Sandra Ingerman: There's some kind of change that it's leading us to, and instead of letting our egos go crazy and having a nervous breakdown, which a lot of people are right now.

26 00:03:56.970 --> 00:04:13.280 Sandra Ingerman: What would happen if we just trusted our higher self, our spirit inside, instead of all those little kid parts, you know, that we talk about in therapy?

27 00:04:13.380 --> 00:04:27.529 Sandra Ingerman: The key to healing those little kid parts that we talk about therapy is finding your true self, your true spirit, that knows how to bring you to a healthy place.

28 00:04:27.630 --> 00:04:46.660 Sandra Ingerman: And that's… I've been in 6 nervous system programs, and every one of them tries to lead you to that place, and so what would happen if we just trusted our spirit and let our spirit lead the flow?

29 00:04:47.150 --> 00:04:59.959 Sandra Ingerman: And stop trying to resist what's happening when we can't make… In places, we can make a change, and there are instances where we can't make a change.

30 00:05:00.280 --> 00:05:05.300 Sandra Ingerman: And at that point, we surrendered to our own spirit and trust.

31 00:05:07.820 --> 00:05:08.610 Renee Baribeau: Wow.

32 00:05:09.060 --> 00:05:10.470 Renee Baribeau: That was a mouthful.

33 00:05:13.080 --> 00:05:23.440 Renee Baribeau: I was like, oh yeah, okay. You know, like, when you're ping-ponging an idea, and they're like, oh, well, I have a response for that, and I have a response for that, and then all of a sudden, it's like…

34 00:05:23.980 --> 00:05:26.079 Renee Baribeau: Oh, but the mountain.

35 00:05:26.870 --> 00:05:28.150 Renee Baribeau: and the river.

36 00:05:28.460 --> 00:05:29.829 Renee Baribeau: And the wind.

37 00:05:29.990 --> 00:05:33.370 Renee Baribeau: You know, we learn that we can't control these things.

38 00:05:33.650 --> 00:05:40.470 Renee Baribeau: However, We can get in our, you know, in our kayak and learn to paddle the river.

39 00:05:40.810 --> 00:05:52.740 Renee Baribeau: Or, you know, as I was… when I taught on the Shift Network, I talked about a wind shift. You could… maybe you're just facing the wrong wind, so if you're not liking things, maybe you need to pivot 45 degrees.

40 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:58.080 Renee Baribeau: And… I think that that's really true, and this idea that

41 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:14.520 Renee Baribeau: you know, the nature, which is us, knows what's happening, and how it's unraveling, and how it's, you know, dissolving or coming back together, I think is the real ultimate trust. And many, many years ago.

42 00:06:14.980 --> 00:06:22.849 Renee Baribeau: there was, and I don't even remember who said it, you know how those wise things come through, and you're like, oh, who said that? But…

43 00:06:23.270 --> 00:06:33.430 Renee Baribeau: She said that it wasn't a matter of trying to run to live where you think is gonna be best as the weather changes.

44 00:06:33.580 --> 00:06:41.760 Renee Baribeau: It's about how to be the best you wherever you live, to be in harmony with the changes that are going on.

45 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:47.770 Renee Baribeau: And I think that that's such an important thing for right now, is, like.

46 00:06:48.280 --> 00:07:07.879 Renee Baribeau: if I believe that my higher spirit, that's… that's whatever the divine intelligence that… that I connect to, like, before we put record, I said to Sandra, oh yeah, I pulled a Wind Walker Wisdom Oracle for somebody, and she's in Washington, D.C, across the country, and she pulled the same one.

47 00:07:08.620 --> 00:07:23.159 Renee Baribeau: the wind always knows. So, for me, that higher source comes to me through the wind, and you may have it, you know, any… your guides, you know, however that is, but learning…

48 00:07:23.690 --> 00:07:33.000 Renee Baribeau: For me, the really important part about this is learning to listen to the clues. What are the clues telling me today?

49 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:35.639 Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, exactly, yeah.

50 00:07:35.940 --> 00:07:39.339 Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, back in the, 80s,

51 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:45.329 Sandra Ingerman: my spiritual teacher, Isis, came to me and said,

52 00:07:45.430 --> 00:07:51.400 Sandra Ingerman: Don't leave Santa Fe. Stay where you are. There is no safe place to go.

53 00:07:51.560 --> 00:08:01.649 Sandra Ingerman: And, you know, I started writing about this, and I used to have students… I used to have students… this hasn't happened in a really long time.

54 00:08:01.650 --> 00:08:12.370 Sandra Ingerman: But years ago, people… I was flooded with journeys of where should I move? People just… that's what they wanted me to journey on for them.

55 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:22.729 Sandra Ingerman: And so, I would share with them exactly what ISIS would say. There is no safe place on the planet. Stay where you love, and deal with what's coming up.

56 00:08:22.900 --> 00:08:31.559 Sandra Ingerman: And so, I think that there's so many things going on right now, and we're getting so distracted by…

57 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:45.100 Sandra Ingerman: sending parts of us to places all over the world because we're so concerned about, you know, our hearts. Anybody who's into shamanism is a compassionate, empathetic person.

58 00:08:45.270 --> 00:08:57.920 Sandra Ingerman: And our hearts are breaking to see all the suffering that's going on, but what about if we just stay in ourselves and trust our own inner radar?

59 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:07.759 Sandra Ingerman: Trust our own spirits, trust our own soul, trust our own higher spirit that has all the knowing of what's happening.

60 00:09:07.820 --> 00:09:18.690 Sandra Ingerman: And where we need to go, and exactly as you said, Renee, trust the signs that we're being shown. Right now, I'm one of those people who

61 00:09:18.770 --> 00:09:27.159 Sandra Ingerman: Almost 90% of the time, when I look at the clock, I'm getting certain numbers.

62 00:09:27.310 --> 00:09:40.870 Sandra Ingerman: And so I'm just one of those people who… the universe is showing numbers to me, and as a tarot reader, the numbers have a lot of significance to me.

63 00:09:41.030 --> 00:09:52.110 Sandra Ingerman: And so, I feel like the universe finds these really interesting ways to give us signs, but they're not obvious to our ego.

64 00:09:52.110 --> 00:10:02.359 Sandra Ingerman: They're not obvious to our mind, but our spirit knows we just got a sign, and follow that path.

65 00:10:03.050 --> 00:10:21.239 Renee Baribeau: Well, you know, for me, for that whole year, I was seeing 1111, 1111, it got me to walk the Camino, got me to write a book, and it had so much significance. And I still see 1111, and it's not having as much significance as it did that particular year. It made me think about the…

66 00:10:21.310 --> 00:10:24.259 Renee Baribeau: That listening to the signs is one thing.

67 00:10:24.490 --> 00:10:27.039 Renee Baribeau: But are we participating with them?

68 00:10:27.270 --> 00:10:35.620 Renee Baribeau: Last week, I got a text from a client. I don't have a lot of clients, but I have a few clients, and this particular one said.

69 00:10:36.450 --> 00:10:37.340 Renee Baribeau: Help!

70 00:10:37.690 --> 00:10:44.499 Renee Baribeau: It's usually… I always wonder, why do you write me after you've made the bad decision?

71 00:10:44.510 --> 00:10:59.930 Renee Baribeau: You know, why didn't you write me yesterday, before you made this decision? And it was a decision about this idea that, well, if this was supposed to be mine, it was about a job, then I would have gotten it.

72 00:11:00.550 --> 00:11:03.880 Renee Baribeau: And I had to remind her… that…

73 00:11:04.130 --> 00:11:08.949 Renee Baribeau: One time, and I love this story about the man sitting on the roof in the flood.

74 00:11:09.170 --> 00:11:25.599 Renee Baribeau: when, you know, when the boat comes by, and then the fire department comes by, and then his friend comes by, and then, you know, he waits on the flood and gets dead, and at the pearly gates, Peter says to him, he says, why did God forsake me?

75 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:38.290 Renee Baribeau: Why did my higher spirit forsake me on this? What do you mean? I sent the boat, I sent the fire department, I sent your friend by? You know, while we're busy waiting for the signs, we've missed 4.

76 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:39.100 Sandra Ingerman: Right.

77 00:11:39.100 --> 00:11:42.730 Renee Baribeau: Yeah. And we can get in our way. One time.

78 00:11:42.880 --> 00:11:47.219 Renee Baribeau: I got in my way of a really good deal. A real estate deal.

79 00:11:47.310 --> 00:11:47.970 Sandra Ingerman: Hmm.

80 00:11:47.970 --> 00:11:54.250 Renee Baribeau: And could I have said, oh, it wasn't my intended thing, and that now when I go buy it and the building's worth millions of dollars, I say.

81 00:11:54.570 --> 00:11:56.050 Renee Baribeau: Yeah, Renee.

82 00:11:56.660 --> 00:11:59.950 Renee Baribeau: Your ego got in the way of what Spirit was telling you.

83 00:12:00.460 --> 00:12:01.810 Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

84 00:12:02.160 --> 00:12:20.329 Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I've had two examples of that. All of a sudden, it's been about a month now, I just changed it this morning, all my devices went on Do Not Disturb, and I put them on Do Not Disturb, but everything changed.

85 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:27.349 Sandra Ingerman: My MacBook, my iPad, my iPhone, all went on Do Not Disturb 24-7.

86 00:12:27.500 --> 00:12:40.669 Sandra Ingerman: So I said, oh, that's an interesting message. I think I understand what it means, that I need more downtime, and I need to not be disturbed and distracted so much.

87 00:12:40.890 --> 00:12:42.899 Sandra Ingerman: And then,

88 00:12:43.170 --> 00:12:53.190 Sandra Ingerman: Renee, we've talked about this, and you said to me, why are you doing this? And, I'm still a therapist with two licenses.

89 00:12:53.320 --> 00:13:09.149 Sandra Ingerman: And so, I decided, well, I'm not gonna renew my license this year. I'm not gonna do it. And then I said, I am gonna do it. So, in the last week, I got all my units that I needed for my license.

90 00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:12.350 Renee Baribeau: Even without me.

91 00:13:12.350 --> 00:13:28.589 Sandra Ingerman: I put everything together in the most organized fashion that I've ever done, ever. I downloaded them all to files, I took photos of all of them, because I have to send photos. In New Mexico, you have to send photos.

92 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:37.570 Sandra Ingerman: And I've never, ever been so organized about this, ever. I got my last units yesterday.

93 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:47.889 Sandra Ingerman: And all of a sudden, the email from New Mexico State says, it's time to renew your license. And I'm like, oh, I'm so organized, so I go.

94 00:13:48.190 --> 00:13:52.370 Sandra Ingerman: And New Mexico tells me that I'm retired.

95 00:13:53.870 --> 00:13:55.130 Renee Baribeau: Interesting.

96 00:13:55.130 --> 00:14:14.279 Sandra Ingerman: And so I wrote them an email saying, I'm still practicing, what do you mean I'm retired? And so it's like, first, all my devices go on Do Not Disturb. I try to renew my license, and I'm being told I've retired, and it's like…

97 00:14:14.330 --> 00:14:18.920 Sandra Ingerman: The universe gives us messages, but we resist them.

98 00:14:18.920 --> 00:14:20.020 Renee Baribeau: Right.

99 00:14:20.020 --> 00:14:33.559 Sandra Ingerman: You know, it's trying to help us out. And I know, I absolutely know the universe is trying to put me in a new flow. And I keep trying to stay in the old flow by doing the same things.

100 00:14:34.270 --> 00:14:41.310 Sandra Ingerman: And in the times that we're living in right now, we have to trust that

101 00:14:41.390 --> 00:14:57.829 Sandra Ingerman: Well, I didn't want to be on Do Not Disturb. Well, my spirit did, was trying to help me out. I wanted… my ego still wants my license. I'm 73 years old, and I still want a new license, and

102 00:14:57.950 --> 00:15:01.659 Sandra Ingerman: Spirits saying no, and it's…

103 00:15:01.810 --> 00:15:20.599 Sandra Ingerman: The point is, when we can trust our spirit that things are not necessarily going wrong, spirit is leading us to a better, healthier place in our lives, in the midst of all the chaos that's going on in the planner right now.

104 00:15:21.860 --> 00:15:25.540 Renee Baribeau: This brings me to a point of discernment now.

105 00:15:25.750 --> 00:15:36.590 Renee Baribeau: Will… knowing you, and this is… knowing you all these years, like, will she say, okay, the world wants me to be retired from this, like.

106 00:15:37.050 --> 00:15:42.939 Renee Baribeau: First of all, you can't take the therapist out of Sandra. When I first met her, I'm there, like.

107 00:15:42.990 --> 00:15:59.529 Renee Baribeau: what is with these long emails you send to everyone? Like, I mean, you're just… that is your nature of being so giving and so responding. You know, I used to write back to her, no, yes, she was like, what is wrong?

108 00:15:59.850 --> 00:16:07.309 Renee Baribeau: But it's… I'm just curious if this is a discernment moment that is gonna, like, oh…

109 00:16:07.750 --> 00:16:19.500 Renee Baribeau: I guess I don't need that license anymore, or… or will you try to contract your way through that ex… that little hole to expand it one more time?

110 00:16:19.760 --> 00:16:21.860 Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah, yeah.

111 00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:23.610 Renee Baribeau: decided?

112 00:16:23.610 --> 00:16:26.659 Sandra Ingerman: I am trying to get the message, I am.

113 00:16:29.010 --> 00:16:38.519 Sandra Ingerman: So, one of the very first stories, teaching stories I ever heard that kind of goes along with this is,

114 00:16:38.730 --> 00:16:49.979 Sandra Ingerman: I was in a sweat lodge back in the 70s. I knew nothing about shamanism. I was living in a community, and I was…

115 00:16:50.170 --> 00:16:56.639 Sandra Ingerman: Working for the Forest Service during the months that I wasn't working at San Francisco State.

116 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:06.360 Sandra Ingerman: So, somebody in the sweat freaked out and pushed me onto a hot rock, and I got really, burned.

117 00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:08.340 Sandra Ingerman: And,

118 00:17:08.520 --> 00:17:22.259 Sandra Ingerman: So, I don't know how this came up. It's a story from back in the 70s, so I don't remember the whole story, but I remember my friend who led the Sweat Lodge told a story about,

119 00:17:22.420 --> 00:17:29.360 Sandra Ingerman: An old story about a person comes into a sweat and puts their hand in a fire.

120 00:17:29.560 --> 00:17:32.380 Sandra Ingerman: And the shaman goes, ignorant.

121 00:17:32.900 --> 00:17:47.529 Sandra Ingerman: And then the person comes back in, puts their hand in the fire again, and the shaman goes, stupid. And so, we have to look at the difference when we're talking about being led by spirit.

122 00:17:47.530 --> 00:17:53.129 Sandra Ingerman: We have to look at the difference of when we make an error. Are we being ignorant?

123 00:17:53.130 --> 00:17:57.439 Sandra Ingerman: Or did we get enough signs and enough lessons?

124 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:01.010 Sandra Ingerman: And now we're just being stupid.

125 00:18:01.190 --> 00:18:08.750 Sandra Ingerman: And that's not judgmental. I'm not saying… I'm not calling anybody stupid for making the same mistake.

126 00:18:08.770 --> 00:18:14.210 Sandra Ingerman: But it's a time of reflection when we keep pushing ourselves

127 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:29.589 Sandra Ingerman: into a different flow than our spirit is trying to send us to. And I'm just gonna… I'm sorry that I'm repeating this, but in the times that we're in right now, where there's so much chaos and so much suffering.

128 00:18:29.590 --> 00:18:37.050 Sandra Ingerman: We're all being led right now. Every one of us is being led right now, and are we listening?

129 00:18:38.460 --> 00:18:40.180 Renee Baribeau: And it's pretty uncomfortable.

130 00:18:40.320 --> 00:18:43.959 Renee Baribeau: You know, this isn't a time of…

131 00:18:45.320 --> 00:18:48.580 Renee Baribeau: I call it sitting in your spiritual bath salts.

132 00:18:48.940 --> 00:18:52.680 Renee Baribeau: I think the time of that is over, and…

133 00:18:53.060 --> 00:19:08.560 Renee Baribeau: I'm really grateful in my life that I had those 20 years that I could sit in workshops and sit and practice and get it all, but now I really feel like if I'm listening to my spirit, I'm being called into action.

134 00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:19.910 Renee Baribeau: And that action means showing up in a way for my family, showing up away from my community, showing a way up for this podcast, showing up

135 00:19:20.230 --> 00:19:25.929 Renee Baribeau: as the best me that I can be, knowing that all of that stuff

136 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:33.190 Renee Baribeau: You know, that crazy wind, and that choppy river, and those earthquakes that are taking place all over the world.

137 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:34.570 Renee Baribeau: are…

138 00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:45.759 Renee Baribeau: bringing something up where I can be in alignment with where Spirit is trying to move me. Not what I'm trying to force it to move me to.

139 00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:59.279 Renee Baribeau: Because I'm like you, I still look at the jobs every day that come through my desk, like, and I look at them, oh, yeah, no, I don't want that, I don't want that, you know? But if I look at, you know, wow, it's really nice today, I can weed the garden.

140 00:20:00.390 --> 00:20:04.070 Renee Baribeau: uncomfortable, but… different.

141 00:20:04.510 --> 00:20:12.290 Renee Baribeau: And I think that's where I'm at in my own life, is, like, learning to go with the flow.

142 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:24.699 Renee Baribeau: and the flow… I was thinking, I was driving down the road yesterday on my electric bike, going 22 miles an hour. I'm going with the flow, but I felt safe.

143 00:20:25.190 --> 00:20:26.589 Sandra Ingerman: Right. Right.

144 00:20:27.090 --> 00:20:37.079 Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and I think that's key. I think it's, are we going with the flow that Spirit is trying to lead us on, or are we trying to force the flow?

145 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:48.910 Sandra Ingerman: And, forcing and resisting are two energies that don't help us move forward. They keep moving us backwards, or they keep damming our flow.

146 00:20:49.250 --> 00:20:53.600 Sandra Ingerman: And following where Spirit is leading us,

147 00:20:53.980 --> 00:21:03.649 Sandra Ingerman: Is… is trusting that our spirit knows what we need for right now, you know, because…

148 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:05.990 Sandra Ingerman: What's gonna change on her?

149 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:20.120 Sandra Ingerman: on our planet with our current leaders, we don't know, but what's going to change in our own life. And, years ago, I got this little download of

150 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:28.999 Sandra Ingerman: The bigger your inner world gets, the smaller the outer world gets, and I have it as part of my signature on my emails.

151 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:40.539 Sandra Ingerman: And if you think about it, I, for myself, and I do not believe it's my age, I do not believe it's my age, or all the things I'm going through.

152 00:21:40.540 --> 00:21:43.919 Sandra Ingerman: I believe it's the Times.

153 00:21:44.040 --> 00:21:54.909 Sandra Ingerman: I really feel like where Spirit is trying to lead me to is to really go back into my inner world and work on myself.

154 00:21:55.120 --> 00:22:05.739 Sandra Ingerman: to really work on myself. I got this download just a few days ago that, the message was, own

155 00:22:06.110 --> 00:22:07.760 Sandra Ingerman: You're within.

156 00:22:08.390 --> 00:22:09.870 Sandra Ingerman: Oh, you're within.

157 00:22:09.870 --> 00:22:11.809 Renee Baribeau: Is that Omn Muir Within?

158 00:22:11.810 --> 00:22:17.010 Sandra Ingerman: you're within, yeah. Love that. That has so many meanings to it.

159 00:22:17.010 --> 00:22:18.110 Renee Baribeau: -

160 00:22:18.110 --> 00:22:35.089 Sandra Ingerman: every day a new meaning comes up for me, but what that means for me is get back into my within and start working on it, so I'm owning everything that's growing inside of me.

161 00:22:35.270 --> 00:22:41.680 Sandra Ingerman: And I think we're all being asked to do a little bit more inner work right now.

162 00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:47.939 Renee Baribeau: Yeah, my whole… my new book is about, you know, refining your inner verse.

163 00:22:48.070 --> 00:22:55.570 Renee Baribeau: But… that just… I want to honor that for you, because that's courageous.

164 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:15.190 Renee Baribeau: You know, when there's no more stuff to fix on the outside world, and that I'm gonna own, and I think I heard you say ohm, which is the wind, the sound of wind passing through it, my innerverse and my world's end, and I think that that would be a really great place to end this and have

165 00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:26.430 Renee Baribeau: people take a look to see what… if they were owning that space within, what that would look like, what is moving, what's not moving, where am I being led to next?

166 00:23:27.350 --> 00:23:30.859 Sandra Ingerman: That is a beautiful ending, Renee, and thank you so much.

167 00:23:32.730 --> 00:23:45.750 Renee Baribeau: And just to remind you, we do accept donations, and we love… we love that you listen and send us nice notes, and we always love to see you over at the Shaman's Cave. It's finally

168 00:23:45.750 --> 00:23:59.290 Renee Baribeau: Finally, we're having really great conversations over there, and, you know, people… we're really stopping people from just dumping their stuff there, but really try to get you into conversations, and so join us over there.

169 00:23:59.370 --> 00:24:15.069 Renee Baribeau: And pass this along. Share the Shamanstv.com link, or the YouTube link, or the Apple Podcasts link, and let's keep this alive, because I do believe this is Spirit helping us expand in this very contracting time.

170 00:24:15.800 --> 00:24:29.850 Sandra Ingerman: Absolutely. I think we're going to have a lot of richness to share in the coming times, and so we really appreciate your support, everyone, and we send you so many blessings from our heart.