Hermes Agent clearly explained (and how to use it)

0:00 Hermes Agent. You're seeing it everywhere. People are calling it the open cloud killer. And today's episode is about how you can actually install it, how you can connect it with GStack by Gary Tan, how you can connect it to Obsidian, how you can create skills. We go through step by step how you can get started with Hermes Agent.

0:19 This is everything you need to know for how to run it, get started, and actually how you can even use it on an Android device. So enjoy the episode, it's with my dear friend Imran, who just explains technical concepts in such a clear way, it's a breath of fresh air. Enjoy the episode, the introduction to Eraz Agents.

0:46 I begged them to come on and Imran has come on. Thank you for coming on. By the end of this episode, Imran, what are people going to get? By the end of this episode, you'll learn how to install Hermes Agent, which is the best personal agent. It has built-in memory. It learns about your workflows and helps save you time, money, and allows you to do more.

1:07 And I'll even show you how to install it on an Android phone. Okay, cool. Yeah, so I've been hearing a lot about Hermes. Obviously, it's going viral. Is it the new OpenClaw? I don't know. Imran, I just need you to explain it in the simplest terms, the most clear terms, so that at the end of this episode, I can actually go on my computer, get Hermes going.

1:28 So you're committing to making it as clear as possible and sharing as much sauce as possible? Exactly. Yeah, that's what I'll do. All right. Let's do it. All right. So the first thing, the way that I found Hermes Agent was that I tried using OpenClaw. And when I was using OpenClaw, I ran into basically three massive issues.

1:47 The first issue is that I kept having to tell it to do the same things over and over again because there was no built-in memory system, right? And this is a common problem. The second problem I found was that I had to keep restarting the gateway. I think there was a day where I had to restart the gateway once an hour.

2:05 And so that was like really useless. I felt like I spent more time setting up OpenClaw than I was actually like using it to make my life better. And the third big problem with OpenClaw for me was just that it was eating up tokens and I had no visibility into how or why. So I quickly migrated over to Nebula, which is if you're looking to build, if you're looking to kind of have just like an AI coworker, Nebula is probably the better tool.

2:30 But if you want to have like personalized workflows, if you want to kind of tinker under their hood and you want to have a system that learns over time, I highly suggest using Hermes. So the three things that Hermes does better than OpenClaw are basically solving the three problems that I mentioned. One is that it has a built-in memory system.

2:48 So every time you complete a task and successfully complete it, it automatically writes to its own memory. This way, like over time, it gets better. It also uses a typical like normal SQLite database, which is the same type of database as, you know, normal web applications. And what that allows it to do is search in real time for times where it's done something successfully for you.

3:11 So if it didn't save it to its memory, it can actually go and search through all of the logs of all the things you've asked it to do and remember it. Even things like API keys, if you forget to save them to an environment variable, but you kind of passed it to the agent, it can actually search through and find it for you.

3:28 And the last thing is, it's just more stable. Like I haven't had to restart it in like over a week, which is way better than what happened with OpenClaw. So I'll walk you guys through the installation. But before I do, Greg, do you have any questions so far? Yeah, I mean, I guess I'll see by the end of this, but for me, I think a lot of us listening, we might have heard of OpenClaw, we might have installed OpenClaw.

3:56 What I'm begging to know is, actually I should restart, what I don't want to have happen is I install Hermes and then a week later I go back to OpenClaw. I just want to pick an ecosystem and be like, this is my personal agent. No, it makes a lot of sense. and that's kind of the problem that I was having before.

4:17 I kept switching and jumping between different agents until I landed on Hermes and I've been using it for over three weeks now, which in this space is a lot of time. So before we get into the installation, I'll walk you really quickly on my setup. So when you just type in Hermes in your terminal after it's installed, it's going to try to open up my Xcode MCP, which is not running right now.

4:38 So it'll fire up in a second. Cool. Yeah, and I'll zoom out a little bit. You can see here when you open up Hermes for the first time, on the top you'll see the available tools. So Hermes comes built in with 40 plus built-in tools that Open Cloud doesn't have. So you don't have to go find out which tools to install.

5:00 Many of the built-in tools will cover almost all of the basic tasks that you'll need to do. If you want to fire up a browser, if you want to search the web, if you want to create recurring scheduled cron jobs or like scheduled like code, It has all of that built in. Even things like image generation are built in, home assistant capabilities.

5:18 You don't really have to configure or go figure out what the best tools are. The other thing you'll notice about Hermes when you first install it is that it has a lot of the really most popular available skills pre-installed as well. So like I'm on a MacBook, so it has all of like the Apple Notes, Apple Reminders.

5:37 It's got Find My, it's got iMessage. I did not have to go and find this from a skills hub. it was already ready to go as soon as I installed it. So if you want to talk about simplicity of installation and having all the skills you need, Hermes is probably the best one for that. What about security? Like, are those, like, if I install some of those skills, are those, like, do I have peace of mind knowing that that's secure?

6:03 Yeah, no, that's a really good question. So there's a couple of ways around this. One, I think you can always ask the agent to do an audit of your security setup, which a lot of people don't think about. It's kind of almost like meta-prompting it. So Hermes has knowledge of where the keys are stored in your configuration.

6:21 And you can say like, is this a secure setup? Tell me why or why not. And it'll go through and let you know if there are any secret keys exposed on your computer, if they're in plain text, if like a firewall is set up poorly, it'll let you know. The other thing that's very unique to Hermes is that it's built to also out of the box, be able to be ran inside of a Docker container in case you want it on your machine, but isolated from the rest of your files.

6:46 And then you can also run it on modal as like a serverless service as well. So it's really flexible in how you do it. I personally am a little bit risky and I just kind of run it on the bare metal. And I'm just routinely making sure like every day I'm updating it. And I'm also making sure that like I ask it to secure my own setup.

7:06 Cool, let's keep going. All right. So the installation, if you're on a Mac, is pretty straightforward. You can just head over to the Hermes agent documentation. It's on the new research website. And if you're on Linux, macOS, or even Windows subsystem for Linux, it's just this one line command. If it's your first time installing a tool like this on a Mac, you'll probably need to install the Xcode developer tools.

7:32 So I covered that in the video that Greg found me through. but basically you would do like Xcode dash select dash dash install. You can see this command right here, and I will actually run it here. I already have it installed, you can see. And if you need to update it, you can update it later. So yeah, you can just go ahead and copy this command and paste it in, and it'll run.

7:55 Now, obviously, I have it installed already, so it'll just go through the update. another thing that i found was that you can actually skip the um you can skip the onboarding and you can just close out of it um and the most important commands that you'll need to know once you have it installed is just this one right here which is erm as model so this kind of brings me into the next uh the next problem that i had with open claw which was that with open claw i just did not have enough visibility into how much i was spending on tokens and it was like it was like a constant battle to figure out like exactly which model to use oh wait i gotta run the install again let's try one more time i think i broke it also with open claw you can't use uh anthropic

8:43 anymore right so with hermes can you use an anthropic api key seamlessly correct yeah you can use uh you can use an anthropic api key you also have access to the new router as well so let me show you. All right. So this is one that's running on my gaming PC. I have this as a backup. So if we type, or let me clear this out so it's easier.

9:07 And I'll type Burmese model. And here you can see these are all the different providers that you can use to select a model. Again, this is all ready out. This is all out of the box. I did not have to go install anything. And the two biggest ways to save money on this is really just to use either the new portal or OpenRouter.

9:28 So if I go on OpenRouter, you can see, I'll be able to see all of the different models. And the cool thing about OpenRouter is that every once in a while, you'll have some free models available. So here, NVIDIA's Nemo Tron is free this week. So if you wanted to use that model and you just wanted to run it for completely free, it's available as well.

9:48 You can see also through OpenRouter, I'm able to access Anthropix models here. Remember you were asking. So they're both available. And you can see a very clear layout of exactly how much it'll cost. So, you know, if I want to use Quen 3.6+, it's probably only going to cost me 33 cents per million tokens for input and about $1.95 per million tokens of output.

10:12 And you can see the price difference between Sonnet and Quen, right? So it's like almost like one-tenth the price on the input tokens, which is like really good. You sort of know in a sense, you know how much you're going to spend on tokens. You don't really know once you have it set up. You'll find out basically based on the task you give it, how much things are going to cost.

10:40 And I think that's sort of the issue I think some people are having. It's not crazy to spend hundreds of dollars a day on your OpenClaw instance. at this point? Yeah. So actually the, one of the interesting ways to fix that using the Hermes agent is that you can actually, once you have a task that you know that you want to run like on a recurring basis, you can actually have it write the code one time for it.

11:08 So instead of requiring an agent in the loop every single time that you need to do something, you can actually write the code to make it like more deterministic. And that'll actually long-term save you tokens because you won't be spending tokens on actually like doing the processing every single time.

11:26 Like instead, you'll just do it the first time, get it to write the code. And then, you know, if you're using a free model, you can use the free model to write the code and then you basically will spend no tokens on that singular skill or task forever. That's like another thing that I noticed. I realized that a lot of people are not, if you come from a software engineering world, you're always kind of thinking in this methodology of like, don't repeat yourself.

11:48 So if you are in the habit of building reports every single day or you want kind of like a daily digest, a lot of those things can be automated with just pure code instead of relying on an LLM to do like a web scrape or something like that. And that will also save you a bunch of tokens. So by just switching to Hermes Agent and OpenRouter, I basically got my token spend down from like, it was like about like $130 every five days down to like maybe like 10 bucks every five days.

12:14 So about like a little bit over a 90% reduction. And I'm still able to do all the things that I want to do. The other important thing that I think everyone will want to know is that, of course, Hermes agent does allow you to have a connection to Telegram. So you can see all my agents here are named after the Muppets.

12:34 So I still have a lot of room for expansion. If I need to add more agents, there's still a bunch more Muppets I can go through. and I can talk to them in Telegram just like how I can talk to them inside of the terminal. And this Cookie Monster one is super special because if you kind of take a sneak peek at the screen here, this one is actually running on a Solana Seeker Android phone that I have right here.

12:57 So I wanted to talk a little bit about that because I got this set up finally yesterday. If you want to set up Hermes Agent on an Android phone, you'll see here that there's actually the same way that you install it on your computer, there is a script that you can install to put it on an Android phone.

13:15 And so here I have installed it on the Android phone and you can see what device am I on. And it says here, I'm on a seeker Android 15 phone running via Termux. So yeah. So, and then people are like, if some of the people who saw that I was doing this on Twitter were asking like, oh, like why would I install it on an Android phone instead of installing it on a computer?

13:36 So before I get into that, I will say that there are a few extra steps for installing it on Android. The first thing is that you need an app called Termux. Termux is basically like a terminal inside of Android. So it'll kind of look exactly like your normal Mac terminal. And then if you want to extend it even further, there's another app called the Termux API.

13:59 And the Termux API app, it's available on the F-Droid, which is an open source Android app store. But the Termux API actually gives you access to the sensor data on your phone. So you can access information about the battery. You can change the Wi-Fi network. You can change the volume of the device. You can take photos using the Android phone.

14:23 You can adjust the brightness. You can trigger the vibration motor. There's like all basically everything that the Android phone has access to, you now have access to. So you can imagine a world where instead of having this running on a Mac mini, which is like sold out, you can have it running on an Android phone.

14:40 That's, you know, Android phones are very cheap and you can put a SIM card inside of it. You can bring it with you. You can have it read your text messages that are sent directly to that number. You can automate basically two factor authentication that comes in via SMS. and basically you now have a version of an always-on, low-power, dedicated agent device that isn't a Mac Mini and that isn't as expensive.

15:04 A lot of people listen to this podcast, the Startup Ideas podcast, because I don't just bring on people who give practical AI tutorials, but also they like ideas, they like ways to make money using some of these new technologies and stuff like that. with the Android Hermes instance specifically, do you have any ideas that come to mind around like, okay, if I were trying to make money with Hermes agent on Android, what are some things that come to mind, top of mind?

15:40 Yeah, the first thing is probably because you have access to the Termux API, you can actually fire off commands on the Android phone itself. You can tap the screen. And you can like send notifications. So if I think one of the next things I want to set up is, of course, like everyone, some sort of like social media automation that uses the phone directly.

16:00 So right now we have a lot of scheduler tools and people complain that social media scheduling tools, they nerf your reach because, you know, like they're going through the API instead of on the device. Well, this kind of solves that because you can actually post the content directly from the device.

16:16 That's one thing that's like super cool, right? So instead of having to, you know, literally like open up your phone and download a video that's generated and post it that way, you could have this technically running on an almost infinitely scalable amount of Android phones and run accounts and post from there.

16:31 And it will still show that it came from a device with like a real Mac address. That's one way. Another thing that I've seen is just, of course, like there's like the make money part of it. Um, but also, you know, I have a lot of the very basic parts of my life that are annoying, like already automated.

16:49 So like I have an email triaging agent that every morning goes through my emails, deletes the ones that are like unnecessary unsubscribes from things that I subscribe to that are like really useless. Um, and then shows me a digest of the important emails that might not directly make me more money right now, but it's still saving me about like 30 minutes to an hour a day and just allowing me to do more.

17:09 Cool. Yeah. I think the hard part is just figuring out, like taking stock, auditing your personal life to be like, what are the things I need automated? And then also from a business perspective, what are the things I need to be automated? I think that's part of the hard part. And I guess like, you know, you can ask Hermes agent to audit your life, right?

17:31 And start asking you questions to help you, like ask it to help you, you know? Yeah, like we can do this. Like where do I spend the bulk of my time? and let's see if it knows from my memories. And if this gets too intimate, we can always cut it out. That's what we want, Imran. We want it to get intimate.

17:50 Yeah. So, like, it knows where I live. It knows what time zone I'm in. It's like, okay, where do I spend time? What am I asking questions about? That's awesome. Is that something that you recommend people, you know, use Hermes Agent to help you set it up and productize some of the stuff that you're doing?

18:09 Yeah. So I think like the idea of using agents to get things done is like a new paradigm. So the easiest way to like get used to it is to solve like personal problems in your life. So the biggest like personal problem that I first solved with an agent was like figuring out what to cook at home. Because my wife and I like we love door dashing.

18:27 We love eating out. But obviously like that's not, you know, that's not the healthiest. And that also costs a lot of money. So the first thing I did was I set up a local speech to text model on my actual computer. and I sent a long like eight minute telegram voice message of me going through my fridge and my pantry of every single thing and every single ingredient that's in my pantry.

18:48 And I said, every day, can you send me a recipe or three recipes based on what's in my pantry and what like my fitness goals are? It seems like something small, but it kind of takes a lot of like mental load away from like my day to day. There's a lot of things like I think that if you start doing like really basic stuff like that um you know like we can uh you can kind of automate a lot also we got we got to cut this out bro there's a lot of personal stuff in here there's no way too much rafa let's blur it out we're gonna blur it out so okay we have to blur this out it's a lot bro we're blurring it out but we're keeping this in the sense that like if you do this it works exactly yeah it does work it's

19:30 very intimate so definitely can't show you guys everything well it's intimate also because it knows you right and you've you put in the work with it right so if you're starting this from scratch it won't be intimate right it won't be yeah so like when you started from scratch like you'll have all the tools you'll have the skills as you talk to it every single day and you use it for work over and over again it'll like i said it'll store in its memory it'll begin to learn exactly what you do what like um and how it can help you and you can even ask it like every night you can ask it like, what's one or two things that you can build for me that would make my life better?

20:03 And it'll do that for you. Okay. What are, what are other must know things about Hermes agent? You do still have to update it every night. It's still technically beta software. So you can see, I haven't updated this one since in nine days and I am 535 commits behind, which is quite a bit. So you do still have to update it every single day.

20:26 It is still technically beta software, you still should probably constantly, you know, lock it down in certain ways. A really simple way to lock down Hermes agent, but still have access to it from anywhere is one to set up like Telegram or WhatsApp. Another thing that I highly recommend for any of these tools is that you install Tailscale and you configure Tailscale correctly.

20:51 So Tailscale will allow your phone and all of your computers to be on the same kind of virtual network. And then you can remotely access them using any like terminal ssh app which just lets you kind of remote in and like monitor it and chat with it that way as well um before before we head out is there a question that i should have asked you about hermes agent that i didn't ask you should you migrate from open clock i mean i've got my yeah i mean that's the big question right should you now that we've seen it i mean well we've we've sort of you know i should have let's actually would you be open to showing your Muppets.

21:30 Yeah, let's show Muppets. And also, with respect to your Muppets, does it make sense to set up one agent, multiple agents? How do people think about designing their agents? Do I create one that's called Social Media Manager and it's just doing social media stuff? Or how should I think about this? Yeah, so this is something that's still kind of a work in progress for me as well.

21:59 So you can see count is my main kind of agent. That's the one that's running on my gaming computer. And you can see this has all of like my personal stuff set up. So I have cron jobs for like doing my Gmail triage, for unsubscribing to emails, to give me like expense reports, like some more personal stuff, like finance stuff is all set up here.

22:21 These are technically cron jobs. They're not sub agents. I have seen people set these up as subagents. The benefit of that is that you can assign specific models to each one. So I could have a Gmail email triage subagent that I have assigned a cheaper model to, right? Because it's more deterministic and it'll tell me, like, if it's like a really simple task, you can assign like a cheaper model to it and kind of save money that way.

22:46 And you can add like more specific instructions. But I've also seen people just set it up as a cron job. So I have it set up as a cron job. I don't have it set up as a subagent. Um, so I think a lot of these kind of specifics are still being figured out. We don't really know if it's better to have it as a sub agent or not.

23:04 The thing that is that we can agree on is that having an agent that has memory and learns over time is incredibly powerful. Um, and I have four set up here just because I'm like a tinkerer, but I actually think the most optimal way to do it is to have one setup or two. And the only reason why I say two is if you have one for work and one for personal stuff, like I imagine if I worked at like a Fortune 500 company, they wouldn't let me like run Hermes agent with all my personal stuff on it on my work computer.

23:35 But I still want to have the capabilities of being able to kind of like automate or do work really efficiently. It's also it feels cleaner a little bit if it's personal and work. Like my to-do list, for example, I have like the way I run my life, you know, I use things, the to-do app, and I just have personal and work.

23:57 And like to me, that just like makes the most sense. So like when I, the way I'm going to set this up after this call is I'm going to set up a personal one. I'm going to set up a work one. Yeah. And I think another thing that maybe we didn't cover that I think we talked about a little bit on Twitter is that this is like Obsidian.

24:13 So I was never a big Obsidian fan. I kind of just stored everything in my Apple notes and kind of hope for the best. The cool thing about Obsidian is that even if you have like multiple agents, it's all like Markdown files. So now this tool that was like instead of having to know Markdown, you can just tell agents to like organize them.

24:31 So I have this kind of setup is just like my home MD file. So it tells me all the important things I need to know about this week. It tells me about like things I need to get done today, upcoming travel, things for like my day job. things for like, you know, personal stuff. And it's all organized and set up automatically by the agent every day.

24:50 And so I would not have been able to go through, like the painstaking effort of like putting this together by myself every single morning. But now like I have an agent that does it for me. And it's just so much easier. But this is like not something I would have done before. Like I wouldn't think to use Obsidian in the past.

25:09 But because I now have agents, I can kind of manipulate it really easily. It just makes it much more fun and easy to use. Right. So is your recommendation that, you know, once you get Hermes installed, post install, start, you know, using it with Obsidian? I think Obsidian is a really clean layout because if you look at like, if you look at Telegram, like some of these just kind of read as like massive walls of text.

25:34 And even if I organize it or even if I put something in my sole MD file to specify that it should speak concisely, it just becomes really unruly. And it's really hard to find the most important information. There are people that are experimenting with building mission control dashboards. But I just feel like the easiest is the one that you can see on your phone and your computer.

25:57 you know and if someone saw your obsidian and was like man amaran has really like that's that's my dream how do i how do they go from like how do they make a similar thing like how do you actually do that yeah so my obsidian was set up by my hermes agent after using my hermes agents for like 20 days so as it learned about me yeah you think you think it takes 20 days no i i think i I think it takes building up the habit of default going to the agent to get work done, even if you can do it yourself.

26:31 That's the biggest thing. Okay. So maybe it's like seven days. Maybe it's seven days of using it consistently. And then after that, the Hermes agent knows a good chunk about you. And then you can have it create a similar Obsidian stack, right? Yeah. And you still right now, you still kind of have to meta prompt it.

26:55 So you can ask it at the end of every day. Like, what is something you should build for the work I do? Or what is one way that you can what is like one one task I'm doing over and over again that I should set up as a cron job? And it'll know. But you still kind of have to prompt it. Right. So I'm hoping in the future that you don't have to do that, that it just kind of knows automatically.

27:14 But we'll get there. We're pretty close. That's really interesting. Could you like open up? I know we're sort of doing this live, but could you open up a doc and just write out the prompts that people should be thinking about around, for Hermes agent, what are the ones that you're using, Imran, that you're like, it seems obvious to you, but people might not know.

27:44 Yeah, a really basic one is what have I been procrastinating? right that's a good one because it has access to your to-do list if you're listening to this podcast like you're probably doing a lot and there's probably something that's like you know under the hood that like you just haven't gotten to yet another one is um what is the most important thing to work on today right and like that's like super important um another one would be like i like i mentioned like what are some tasks that i'm doing every single day that i could or should automate um another one would be what is a tool that you can build me tonight that would make my life easier tomorrow right like these types of things like where you're yeah this you're right

28:31 this does kind of seem obvious to me uh but to many people like it's kind of a new new way of thinking um i'm trying to think of another one um is there anything important today that i missed right anything around cron jobs md files um i'm trying to think yeah i think uh i think i think the cron job setup could be is like a little bit difficult in the beginning because i feel that people don't understand like what a cron job is it's still a very technical term but it's essentially just something that runs on a schedule um and you like everyone does everyone has a list of tasks or a list of things that they do every single day that probably could or should be automated right um and so asking it to set up cron jobs for those things

29:23 will just kind of make your life a little bit easier um the last thing i did want to show you now that i'm thinking about it is i actually have um i want to show you there was a psychiatrist that made a computer or made like a computer program uh yes his name is joseph weisenbaum and he made a natural language processing computer program um over the course of three years at mit that's basically like uh like a chatbot therapist um and i've actually loaded this up as a skill inside of hermes where i can like talk to it every single day and like help it it will basically help me self-actualize about what I should also work on.

30:12 So there's a lot of these like weird, like little, like niche, like personal development things that you can actually build really easily. Right. It took them three years to build out this like natural language processing, like kind of like psychiatrist thing, but like you can just drop this Wikipedia file inside of your MS agent and say like, you'll turn this into a skill and it'll do it.

30:34 That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's sort of the daunting part about be it OpenClaw or Hermes is you sort of need the ideas around I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have come across that Wikipedia article and been like oh, I should make this a skill, right? Prompting yourself to actually think about, oh, I'm navigating the internet or I'm navigating the world, how can I make this a skill so that I can use this every day just has to be a part of your, it's just how you work today in the AJAI.

31:11 Yeah, exactly. The biggest thing is like learning how to use Hermes agent is not actually the skill. It's going to become the requirement, you know? Exactly. Yeah, and whether it's like Hermes today, maybe OpenClaw gets better, maybe Cloud Cowork, maybe it's Nebula, whatever it is, like you still need to know what to do with it.

31:27 And that's like kind of where it counts. Last question around skills. I know that you showed some pre-built Hermes skills. What are some must-install skills that you recommend for people listening? Yeah, so I definitely recommend installing the Obsidian skill. I actually don't even use the Obsidian CLI, but I use the Obsidian skill.

31:56 That one's really important. I've seen some people install the Honcho dev memory skill. I haven't needed to set that up yet, though I think I probably will because there are some memory limits on Hermes and you kind of want to keep like your context as small as possible. Another really useful one. Let me see for my ghosty.

32:19 Well, so a lot of these skills I've built myself, right? Like I have like a bank statement analysis one. So I definitely think like whatever you do, you should always like start with like try to build out your own skills around like personal finance and like fitness and like all the things that you already pay for.

32:36 And maybe those aren't ones that you actually go down, but they're ones that you build. Another really interesting one that I think everyone should play around with are, of course, all of the software development related skills. I even you can see here I actually ported over GStack by Gary Tan into Hermes before it was widely available on Hermes so I definitely you know if you're working on a startup it's definitely like a really cool cool skill to use GStack and yeah like I think those are the big ones just because I think some people don't know what GStack is can you just give a quick primer on what GStack is and you know how why you think that people should install GStack with Hermes?

33:16 Yeah, yeah. So GStack is basically, the way I understand it, is it was built for Cloud Code and it was made by Gary Tan, the CEO of Y Combinator. Essentially, the idea is that it takes the Y Combinator style startup process, which is like figuring out what works week over week, asking the right questions about what you should improve about your product and your business, and then helping you go and implement that as code and make decisions on that.

33:42 So those types of things were previously only available to people who were in Y Combinator, which is one of the best startup accelerators in the world. But now a lot of that knowledge has been basically open sourced as a skill that you can bolt onto your agent. And that's something that was never available before in the past.

34:02 So if you're obviously working on a startup, like an app or something, and you're not in San Francisco, or maybe you're not familiar with the startup methodologies, I highly recommend using something like that. And it's a no brainer. It's free. It's free. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the, the agent itself is like, it's like Hermes agent is like basically like, it's like nineties tuner car culture, right?

34:23 Like you can go find the parts you want and you can put them on and you should like learn how to customize it for yourself. As long as you remember that like customizing it is not the skill, but it's more about what you get done with it. Right. And I think it's like, you do have to remind yourself that, uh, I like how you said that customizing is not the skill.

34:43 And there's so many people who are just obsessed with the customization and then they're not actually doing anything. Don't be an artist about it. At the end of the day you want something that's going to add value to your own personal life, that's going to add value to your business life. And it's a rabbit hole basically basically and to to go down and where you're like optimizing and optimizing and optimizing but don't do it yeah this handles the optimization for you like the biggest thing when people say like a lot of people have asked me like what's been the most useful thing about like ermez agent like day to day i work at a fund and i'm able to talk to more founders and have better conversations

35:30 with them because a lot of the background work is now handled by my personal agent that's awesome That's a huge win for me. If we can talk to 20% more companies or 30% more companies, we have better signal, we get better deal flow, we're helping out more founders, we're eventually going to return more as a fund.

35:46 It just makes me better at my job. It's a big deal, right? That's the way I see it. If you value your time at, say, $500 an hour in terms of the opportunities that could come, that's a huge deal. Imran, thank you so much for giving us the go-to guide for installing Hermes Agent, playing with Hermes Agent, making skills, installing it with GStack and Obsidian.

36:13 I really appreciate it. I'll include links for where you can follow Imran on the internet, which is where I found him. I think that you're super talented at explaining technical concepts in a really simple way. So I would love to have you back on the show. But people, let me know. Let me know in the comments.

36:33 you know is this uh did did you did you feel it i think he he brought this off so thanks again imran um is there anything you want to leave people with yeah um i work at a fund it's called alif check us out alif.build a-l-i-f.b-u-i-l-d and of course i'm on social media at imranye i think after this i'm just gonna make more videos so let's do it yeah let's do it all right thanks a lot all right thanks for having me