Cornell Case: The Survivors' Take with Kimberly Corban and JoDee Neil

Elizabeth Smart Welcome to the Survivor Files. Today's episode is about a story that has exploded into the national conversation. Over the last few weeks, we've all heard about the Cornell sexual assault allegations. The coverage has included multiple sources from everyday people to legal. Experts to reporters to the university itself. But today, I am so excited to have this very special conversation from a survivor's point of view. I am joined today by two incredible survivors. First of all, I'm so excited to have Kimberly Corbin back with us. Kimberly is a sexual assault survivor turned victim advocate who currently works for the Sexual Assault Victim Advocacy Center. You can hear Kimberly tell her story in episodes four and five of The Survivor File.

Elizabeth Smart So after you finish listening to this episode, go back to four and five and give them a listen because it's an incredible story. Kimberly, it's so good to have you back with us.

Kimberly Corban Thank you so much for having me.

Elizabeth Smart Thank you. And today, joining us for the first time, we have Jodi Neal. Jodi is a trial attorney and former prosecutor who has spent more than two decades in the legal system, including prosecuting sexual abuse cases and crimes against children. She is also a sexual assault survivor. Jodi, thank you so much.

Elizabeth Smart I'm so excited to have you here, so excited to hear your thoughts, your opinions, your. Feelings on this case.

JoDee Neil Thank you so much for having me. It's truly an honor to meet you both.

Elizabeth Smart So all three of us, we are all survivors. And I'm really looking forward to having this conversation based from a survivor's perspective. And I want to have Jodi actually bring us up to speed on the story. But before we do that, I just want to say that as we're having this conversation. These are allegations and the men have denied wrongdoing. As of today, no criminal charges have been filed. So, Jodi, if you can kind of bring us up to speed on what's happened and where we stand today, that would be great.

JoDee Neil Happy to do that for you. In October of 2024, a 20-year-old Cornell student identified as Jane Doe in court papers goes to the Chi Phi fraternity house to see a man she considers a friend. She has been drinking at this point. Much of what happens at the house is under dispute. But at some point, she goes to a separate room with two members of the fraternity. There, she says, other men enter over the next few hours.

JoDee Neil She later alleges that in addition to alcohol and marijuana, she is pressured into taking ketamine until she is completely incapacitated and sexually assaulted by multiple men over the course of that night. While she is inside the house, members of the fraternity are allegedly communicating in a group Snapchat.

JoDee Neil One message reportedly asks, shop still open? Apparently asking whether men could still come to the room where she was. On November 8th that year, she goes to Cornell University Police. In that interview, she tells them she can say with 100% confidence that she was raped. But the district attorney's office doesn't bring charges. Nearly two years later, a civil lawsuit has brought the case back into public view, along with new questions about what evidence the district attorney actually received before deciding not to prosecute.

Elizabeth Smart I have heard a lot of questions surrounding this case, and kind of beginning with, if Jane Doe was really sexually assaulted, why then did it take her so long, take her 19 days before she reported that? So. What are the first thoughts that go through your mind, Jodi, when you hear that? And what are your feelings about that?

JoDee Neil First of all, 19 days is nothing. The process of disclosure is not an event. It is exactly that. It's a process. And my hunch from reading the same news everyone else is reading is that Jane Doe was likely in a state of feeling frozen. We know from the research from the well-documented studies and findings of people like Dr.

JoDee Neil Bessel van der Kolk and others who teach trauma certificate studies, that when an act like this happens to someone, they become frozen. They freeze up. They don't know what just happened to them. And my belief is that that's likely what was happening to Jane Doe. She was trying to make sense of it all, trying to find her words, trying to find her memories and figure out what to do next.

Elizabeth Smart And then Kimberly, because I feel like as survivors, we'd all agree that really 19 days is actually very quickly for someone to report. But from an outsider's perspective, they would probably look at your case and be like, you reported immediately. Like yours was like within hours of everything happened.

Elizabeth Smart But as someone who has worked with survivors and has had so much interaction with them, in your experience, what makes it hard for them to come forward?

Kimberly Corban To be clear, I reported one. assault immediately. There are so many different types of assault that can take place. And sometimes, many times, when the perpetrator is known to the victim, it becomes incredibly hard to reconcile the person that you knew with someone capable of doing this. I think more often than not, because perpetrators are known to the victims, it is almost like an abandonment of what you know and you believe internally to get to that point to say, okay, this is something that happened that was wrong and I know that, but once you put that label on it, I can't take it back. And getting to that point, if you are internalizing everything and not talking about it with friends or supporters or advocates,

Kimberly Corban it's really, really hard to understand that. 19 days is nothing. You have so many child sexual abuse victims who go through this and don't understand what happened to them was wrong until they are in their even advanced adult years.

Elizabeth Smart I think you're so right. In my experiences, I've talked to survivors and so many of them talked to me about how they didn't even know what happened to them was rape or sexual abuse at the time because they knew they're perpetrators, but how it just like haunted them and how they were in school, how they started failing and how they had to drop out or how they couldn't sleep with the lights off or how they just had to move back home with their parents because they were no longer functioning on their own.

Elizabeth Smart And it took years or it took going to therapy for a therapist to finally be like, you were raped. Because for me, I think there's a real gap in our educational system as far as consent and rape go, that there's no differentiation made. We're not clearly saying this is what actual sex consent is, and this is what rape can be. And it can come from a spouse.

Elizabeth Smart It can come from a boyfriend. It can come from a friend. It can come from anyone.

JoDee Neil I 100% agree. I never reported any of myself. for all the reasons that we're seeing out in the media right now. I knew it would be really bad for me if I even tried. The closest I came to reporting was I went to the Dallas Area Rape Crisis Center, and that was the last time it happened to me when I was divorced and in my 40s.

Elizabeth Smart And do you feel like there's also a lot of hesitation for people to report just because we do know that actually conviction is... The minority, the giant minority. Most predators are never successfully convicted. Do you think that's another hesitation for victims?

Kimberly Corban I think it's something that you take into account. Wouldn't you say so, Jodi?

JoDee Neil Absolutely. We have very strong beliefs about how people around us are going to react, including law enforcement. There's enough out there in the public sphere where I know I definitely was afraid of talking to a male policeman. And I knew that I was going to be blamed because at least in the first instance in 99, I was intoxicated.

JoDee Neil I was voluntarily intoxicated, just like allegedly Jane Doe in this case.

Kimberly Corban Well, and one of the biggest pieces that people don't come forward and report is because they are fearing not being believed. And we are seeing over and over, you open up any comment section under one of these news articles, There is plenty of evidence that just reinforces that to all the survivors who may be thinking about, do I come forward? Do I report? Do I seek services? What if I'm not believed the same way that this Jane Doe is not being believed?

Elizabeth Smart Totally. And I even think about coming forward and, I mean, like in my case, in both of your cases, you know, we were raped by men. And of course not all, but there are a lot of, males in law enforcement. And so there's already, in my opinion, kind of that power dynamic disparity, like it's not equal. And it could be, you know, if you were violated by a man, it could be scary reporting to a man. I just, I think that's an interesting angle to think about.

JoDee Neil You're right.

Elizabeth Smart One of the details that surfaced is that in the days after the alleged incident, Jane Doe was still in contact with some of the men who she later claims were involved through phone calls and text messages. This is leading to more doubt and more questions. Some people are asking, if you really thought you were assaulted, why would you still communicate with the alleged perpetrators? So what do you both have to say about that?

Kimberly Corban Jodi already alluded to the freeze response. We are very familiar with fight or flight. There's also freeze. And lastly, some people say fawn, but it is appease. Appeasement is a very, very valid way to survive. It is your brain protecting you. It's trying to mitigate as much harm as possible. And sometimes that can include fighting. fall out from maybe it's social status, maybe it's your own actual bodily safety, maybe it was her ability to stay in school, pursue her education, maintain her reputation, whatever it might be.

Kimberly Corban That appease response is very normal in so many survivors. Hell, some people stay married to their abusers for a very long time. The way that we choose to appease has nothing to do with whether or not we were sexually assaulted. It's simply our bodies and our minds doing their best to keep us alive after the fact.

JoDee Neil I agree. And I've seen so many survivors throughout the course of my work really try and maintain the status quo until they could figure out how they wanted to proceed.

Elizabeth Smart This story has brought the word consent back into the public conversation, but it becomes very complicated when alcohol and drugs are involved and the laws around consent vary. from state to state. Jodi, could you speak to that?

JoDee Neil Yeah. Believe it or not, Texas is ahead of New York on this one. And thanks to a very brave young woman named Summer Willis, Texas actually closed the loophole in the last legislative session. If the law had been what it is now, when I was first sexually assaulted in 1999, I might have had a leg to stand on, but it wasn't. And it was still out there in the public sphere. Like, I heard it in church, for example.

JoDee Neil If you're drinking alcohol and something bad happens to you, you've asked for it. It's your fault. And so obviously someone who doesn't have their wits about them, you can't sign a contract. You can't go buy a car. You can't go buy a house. You know, you are not able to consent. You do not have your faculties intact.

JoDee Neil And that is very, very gray out in the public sphere. And it shouldn't be. I tell my daughters, you know, I try and have a very different approach to alcohol consumption than was taught to me. I'm like, look, this is a self-defense issue. This is not a you're a bad person if you drink issue. This is if you can't defend yourself, something bad could really happen to you.

Elizabeth Smart And when you say Texas is ahead of New York, do you know what New York's stance is?

JoDee Neil Yeah. New York's law right now is if you're voluntarily intoxicated, you're basically free game.

Kimberly Corban It's purge with voluntary intoxication.

JoDee Neil Yeah, yeah. It's really archaic.

Elizabeth Smart It is just, it is just, it's just disgusting, honestly.

Kimberly Corban Without getting too much into it, too, that loophole is not like, oh, this case exposed it. This case simply brought it to the rest of the country's attention. This has been in the legislature and hasn't made it to a vote for years, right?

JoDee Neil Yeah.

Kimberly Corban For whatever reason, it's been apparent in their lawmaking areas, and it's not getting across the finish line. It's not even getting to a vote. And this is where public pressure does come in handy, because now we are all going to be watching during that time when that does come up and say, hey, where's that vote? Because this can't happen.

Elizabeth Smart It just has to make you wonder, like, what is going on that these legislators— are not passing it through. What is their holdup? Why are they not passing it? It seems like such a easy, no-brainer thing to do. I mean, whoever makes good decisions when they're overly drunk.

JoDee Neil Summer Willis had to, it passed in Texas at the 11th hour. She had to, I want to say she had to crawl through the streets of Austin during marathons. Yes. to get the spotlight onto this issue. She had to carry her mattress that she was allegedly raped on around Austin too. I mean, you literally have to just slice yourself open to get the legislature to move.

Kimberly Corban And isn't that true and apparent? I don't think there's a better way of showcasing exactly what survivors are expected to do. We have to. Lay bare and bleed in front of you to believe us or to do anything. And that shouldn't be the case.

Elizabeth Smart No, it shouldn't. I mean, it goes back to that whole question of belief that both of you already brought up. It's why survivors don't speak out and don't share. It's because they're afraid of not being believed. And I mean, for Summer Willis, crawling on her hands and knees to finish a marathon, dragging her mattress around Austin, I mean, that really is exposing on a whole, like a very visceral level, the horror that she experienced. And it's awful that we have to take it to that degree, to that level, to get the kind of attention and notice that these cases deserve.

Elizabeth Smart I think there are many points where Jane Doe's story could have unfolded differently. And I. I feel like it happens to do with bystander awareness. I mean, we can look back at Chanel Miller's story where Brock Turner assaulted Chanel, where she was unconscious outside of a fraternity party, but because two graduate students were riding their bicycles, saw what was happening and they stopped, you know, Brock Turner ran, they pursued him and authorities were able to arrive. No, we have this other case where, Colin Daniel Martinez, an 18-year-old Northern Arizona University student, died following a fraternity hazing event involving alcohol consumption. Emergency help was not called until the following morning when he was unresponsive.

Elizabeth Smart His father later said there were opportunities to protect Colin, and that courage was not there. So we have these two stories where bystanders 100% in Colin's case, could have made a difference. He could still be here with us. But then in Chanel's experience, stopped what was happening. And I mean, we were able to get a conviction. Yeah.

Elizabeth Smart So I guess, Kimberly, I'm curious for your opinion. What does stepping in actually look like when, I don't know, you're at a party or you're not sure what's happening, but Maybe you see something, but it doesn't feel quite right. I mean, what is your advice or what are your thoughts around that?

Kimberly Corban Yeah, my full time job is the director of development and marketing for the Sexual Assault Victim Advocate Center in northern Colorado. So we are the only standalone rape crisis center for northern Colorado on the front range. And part of what we do is prevention. The thing that we really reinforce is the three Ds. It's distract, delegate, and direct.

Kimberly Corban So distract is basically pretending you know someone. You go up to them or disrupt what's happening. You distract them by turning off the music or yelling something like, hey, cops are here, right? You can delegate by looping in friends, pointing at someone, making direct eye contact. You know, kind of think divide and conquer.

So.

Kimberly Corban One other person is directing the victim. Maybe, do you need help? Do you need somebody to intervene? Do you want me to get you out of here? While somebody else is able to delegate, hey, call the cops or make sure there's other people that are around. And if you are at a party, maybe it's on campus or something, you can ask someone in leadership to intervene on your behalf if it is safe. We reinforce that a lot.

Kimberly Corban Make sure that you are safe as a bystander intervening as well. And third, direct. So you go up to the situation directly being like, you need to stop. This is the hardest one, right? Because it takes a lot of courage to go up to somebody and put your social status on the line to intervene for something that you may or may not do. know if something's wrong.

Kimberly Corban But I can tell you, I have never been sad to have written a note on my phone and said, hey girl, are you okay? Or to have gone up and be like, oh. My gosh, how are you? I haven't seen you in forever. I've never regretted that. But I would regret had I not done something along those lines and been able to tell somebody or give them the opportunity to exit a situation.

Kimberly Corban But There are a lot of different things that you can do, but in a very easy, age-appropriate way, those three Ds are something that prevention can really circle around and that people take home and remember.

JoDee Neil That is so good. I am going to, with your blessing, share this on my social media and with my daughters. That's something that they can really use. I want to say from a jury standpoint, when I've done jury trials in court, the most powerful evidence... Almost every type of case is when someone is reporting something for the protection of the community. This could be a deadly driver on the highway. This could be something in the sexual assault realm.

JoDee Neil It could be an outcry witness, someone who reports what a child says, a report of abuse. But it's the people from the community that take the time, that have the courage, who step up and lead by example, I call them sheepdogs, that really create so much credibility for the jury and juries are always grateful for their participation.

Elizabeth Smart And I just want to add, bystander awareness is so important. There's so many more everyday people than there are law enforcement, detectives, people in this field. And I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here if everyday people weren't paying attention. I could be dead. But because everyday people were paying attention, they saw something that didn't seem right, they called the police.

Elizabeth Smart I am alive today because of people paying attention and acting when they saw something that didn't seem quite right. So my life is a testament to bystander awareness. Moving on with our conversation, I'm a mom, you're a mom, and I'm My daughter's 11, but the thought of her going off to college, the thought of her growing up and doing all the grown-up stuff, I mean, it scares me.

Elizabeth Smart I imagine it scares everybody. And part of me almost hates this question because you shouldn't even have to address it. But when your daughter goes out to her first party and She's brought into the party atmosphere. How does she protect herself against anything horrific happening when drugs and alcohol are involved?

JoDee Neil It's such an important question. I also have an 11-year-old and a 10-year-old, and I shudder to think of sending them off to college in the environment that we have now. I arm myself and my children with a lot of data. We're so lucky in 2026, not lucky, it's through the hard work of many, many researchers and scientists, but we know a lot more now than we did in 99 when I was in college. And you cannot argue with the data. X amount of sexual assaults happen with alcohol or another intoxicated, and it's very high. So you know you have a very high chance of getting hurt if X and Y are present, okay? And if you're not engaging, then there are others who are. And so what is the role you play? My kids know that they play

JoDee Neil a role in keeping other kids safe and they know how good it feels to help other people. And I'm really trying to work with them to have that sense of community, to know how good it feels to do the three D's at a party, you know, to Be that person that other people can count on and to stand up for other people and to have courage. They have to get it from home. They have to get it from their parents first. I agree.

Elizabeth Smart And I feel like, I mean, as women and certainly I remember as a young girl, there is so much pressure put on you, like cover up. Like if you're dressed like in a short skirt, like were you asking for it? Like use the buddy system as a woman. Don't leave your drink unattended. Like there's so much information just kind of fire hydrant hosed at us women about being safe. So I think this then really brings us to the point that this is not just a woman's issue.

Elizabeth Smart Like we need men. We need men advocates advocating for us. We need men like holding other men accountable. We need to be talking and teaching our sons.

Kimberly Corban I think about that question because I, too, have an 11-year-old. I've already told her everything that I can tell her. I've taught her to stand up for herself. And if she doesn't have it within herself, I hope that she has been able to surround herself with a community who will. I am more focused on what I'm telling my three boys, who are very unlikely to be in a room where when an assault is taking place. If the account of what happened that brought us to this conversation today is correct, the likelihood of being one of those seven, as opposed to the 57 that are on the group chat message, statistically, we're talking about data, you're more likely to be one of those 57, right? So you're not probably going to

Kimberly Corban find yourself in that room, but you will find yourself in that group chat. You will have that, you know, meeting at work where Somebody has a comment that that's a little ick. You will be in the locker room for those conversations. You will have a part in whether or not somebody else advances what they will eventually escalate to sexual violence because it starts low. It starts with objectification and name calling. And then there's these acts like, Elizabeth, you and I have talked about this before, where this guy that attacked me in college said, He didn't just pop out of the bushes one day, right? There were all of these things that led up to most recently it was him stalking us in that week. What if

Kimberly Corban somebody had intervened when he made a comment in high school at a party or something? What if somebody had intervened when they saw him taking pictures of women as they're sunbathing and said, dude, knock it off. That's freaking weird. What if somebody had done one of those three Ds in his peer group or in his community before it escalated to a full-blown sexual assault of a stranger where he entered that premises without permission? All of those places are where prevention is taking place. That's where your conversations need to be.

Elizabeth Smart I love what you said that it starts so low because, I mean, I remember like a few years ago being at a game and someone was like, man, we were absolutely raped. And I was like, excuse me? Excuse? Like, no, no, no. I'm sorry, but no sports game score is ever equivalent to a rape. I was like, I don't ever want to hear that said again. And then they were like horrified because I made such a big deal about it.

Elizabeth Smart They're like, I'm so sorry. And I was like, you should be.

Kimberly Corban Those were their consequences by a peer and that peer was you.

Elizabeth Smart And kind of now flowing from how peers can interact with us, that kind of brings me into Greek life. You both were in sororities and Jodi, you were in the same sorority as Jane Doe. What happens when speaking up could mean losing friends or being blamed or becoming the subject of gossip or challenging a powerful social group?

JoDee Neil Yeah. Uh, I think it really needs to be emphasized that if you are aware of a crime being committed, you are not absolved of your role in society simply by being a member of this organization. And so I think that the organizations need to come in and really start doing very intentional bystander training. And also, Greek life is not an insulator for criminal activity. And there are a lot of people that could be grand jury subpoenaed based on their knowledge, what they may or may not have known.

Elizabeth Smart Kim, like what space do you feel like Greek life has on campus?

Kimberly Corban So I have been speaking across the country now for, gosh, 19 years. And a lot of the trainings and keynotes that I do are actually to fraternity and sorority leadership. Greek life shaped my college experience in the very best way possible because I was so used to being on a team growing up and in high school. And then I get to college and it's like, you are one person out of thousands and thousands. And I missed that team atmosphere so And rushing at a smaller college, you know, we had only five houses. So it was smaller Greek life, but we also were very close with the fraternities. Now, not all of them operated the same way that the sororities did. And we have to understand that when you create these hierarchies of power, where there is one person

Kimberly Corban who's in charge, power concentrated is power abused. And if you don't have oversight and a system of checks and balances in place that can hold your people accountable, then everything is going off the rails. I love that my experience was so helpful, especially through court. I mean, the sorority sisters showed up at every single hearing, but that also was a bunch of fraternity members that we were friends with. They were there too. I had a very positive experience. I also know that not everyone did. And that's okay. Two things can be true at once. I mean, fraternities are under fire right now. We can also talk about athletics, clubs, student councils, literally anywhere that there's that hierarchy system, there's bound to be that institutional damage and

Kimberly Corban you have to have the ability to stand up within that organization and hold them accountable from an institutional standpoint.

Elizabeth Smart I think that's. Really helpful because again, sometimes I hear these stories of And I would almost say up until your story, I was kind of like, I just don't know about these sororities and fraternities. Like I only hear the bad stuff about them. I hear about hazing. I hear about like power that's abused. Like, I'm just not sure that I believe in them. And then, and then of course I knew your story. And I think what you're saying is so important and it needs to be heard. Like, I'm so happy you're out there banging that drum, like talking to so many sororities and fraternities about it. Cause I think you're absolutely right. It can be, an incredibly helpful, wonderful, uplifting thing, but then I think it can also be

Elizabeth Smart an extremely toxic, poisonous, dangerous thing on campus. I think both of you bring a really great perspective. To that. Kind of coming to the end of our discussion, you know, we have covered a lot of topics and a lot of them I know as survivors we feel really deeply about and we feel so passionate about. All of us are like, why can't you see this? Why can't like, where are you that you just don't understand this? How could you not understand this? And it's baffling to us, but you know, not everyone's a survivor. Not everyone's walked a mile in our shoes, but on the other side of things, how do you feel like what has happened could be a good thing for survivors in pursuing justice?

Elizabeth Smart Do you think this current situation can be a turning point.

JoDee Neil Absolutely. This is absolutely a turning point. First of all, we're in a massive disclosure. This is a massive outcry. Using the hashtag I am Jane Doe is disclosing that they have survived a contact sexual violence event in their lifetime or showing solidarity to Jane Doe. I think that we can use this to advance the mission of humanity, to offload some of this pain that we're feeling so that we can really live. That's what I'm preaching. That's the drum I'm beating. I love it. Kim?

Kimberly Corban I think that it can be. I think we've all been in advocacy now long enough to know that stories like this can come and go. If we want a change, continue to center the survivors. Let them lead. Listen to them. Believe them. Support them. And understand that change has to come from them. And you can do that work. You can be of help. It's not just rage posting on social media and liking comments. There are things that you can do in your own life to make sure that this does create that seismic change that Jodi's talking about.

Kimberly Corban It can happen, but it starts with you. Yes, you who's listening right now. You can do something to make a difference.

Elizabeth Smart I would just add kind of in the conclusion of our episode that I am personally so proud of Jane Doe for pursuing this, for having like the very great courage to do everything that she's doing. And that personally, like my thoughts, my prayers, my support are with her. But I also, again, need to reiterate that we don't know if the men accused of the Cornell incident are guilty.

Elizabeth Smart It is alleged. Nothing has been filed. But again, my thoughts, my support is with Jane Doe. With that being said, Jodi, Kim, thank you so, so much for your time, your expertise, your personal experience. I just feel like both of you are such powerful voices. This conversation was So needed. And I just thank you so much.

JoDee Neil Thank you for having us. It's an honor to be talking to you. It really is. I nearly cried when you said that earlier about being alive because you're right.

Elizabeth Smart Thank you.

JoDee Neil And Kimberly, I wrote down a lot of what you said. Thank you.

Kimberly Corban Thank you so much for having us again, Elizabeth. It's always an honor to be here.

Elizabeth Smart And before you go, I just want to ask Jodi, any projects you're working on that you can share with us?

JoDee Neil Yes, ma'am. I am really proud to have had my first book published by Stony Creek Publishing. It's called Outcry Witness, a former prosecutor's guide to healing injustice after sexual violence.

Elizabeth Smart Kim, I know you're always working on stuff.

So what about you?

Elizabeth Smart What do you have going on?

Kimberly Corban Most importantly, I mentioned that I'm the Director of Development and Marketing for the Sexual Assault Victim Advocates Center. This is a team of dedicated staff and volunteers. This hotline has been around now for 50 years this year. Every single call, 24-7, has been answered since 1976 in northern Colorado because of of these dedicated advocates. One of the best things that you can do right now to make sure that every call continues to be answered is to donate.

Kimberly Corban It is sabacenter.org and look up your local crisis center. They are always in need of donations. And then for me personally, you can find me at kimberlycorbin.com.

Elizabeth Smart We've got another really powerful episode next week. Let's take a quick listen.

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Elizabeth Smart Thank you for listening to The Survivor Files. New episodes every Monday. Subscribe, listen, share, and follow us at thesurvivorfilespod on Instagram.

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