Knicks, Knockouts, and Congressional Callouts (w. NY-12 candidate Laura Dunn)

Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote.

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Today we're going to talk about the Knicks one and NYC went straight to jail. Things that make us cry, Haiti in the World Cup and in the customs line at the airport, the UFC fight on the front lawn of the Way, secret situation room recording regarding the Epstein files. Whoops, wasn't me? We have an interview with the New York twelve district congressional candidate Laura Dunn, and we're going to answer all your questions from the DMS and read all the wild reviews you leave. So stick around every time.

Every time I eat a croissant, it's it's Russian roulette on where the crumbs are going to go?

Well, I will tell you if you had, I know.

You would, but you're not always around.

I'm not always unfortunately for you. How are you friends? How you been?

I don't know if you heard? But the next one, no, I don't know.

Are you sure?

I don't know if you saw the sixty three people who got arrested and the ten people who got shot and the guy who was standing on a bus railing lines.

Your neighbor Chris just hoovering up the cooke. He was so excited.

I don't know if you saw this town painted ballow An orange.

So I will tell you my brother lost his fucking mind. I'm sure I have a clip. I've asked him for permission to show it. He said, yes, he looks crazy. I have never seen him this way, and his feeling is that, you know, yeah, born in britt New Yorker. None of his teams ever win. He's a big Mets fan, a big Knicks fan, and they never win. So this was yeah, so the baby's all outfitted in Nicks for.

The straight people who are always like, I don't get why you guys need a pride parade. DM me from that parade on Thursday when this episode drops, because that's your straight pride parade. Okay, that's what you got. And you know it's so important to straight people this next thing. And I'm going to prove it to you really quick.

CJ.

How many years has it been?

Thank you?

Thank you? That's how important it is. First eight people, they know they did Marsha P. Johnson. That's what I know in fifty three years is what they know. This is their pride.

I mean as somebody who is not a sporty person, even though I said old options in my Haitian World Cup jersey. But but I was, like I told Michael, I was away with some friends over the weekend. I was scrap booking and there was a there was a bar in our hotel and we went down and I watched the last fifteen minutes and it was very exciting. Yes, it was exciting, and I'm very happy for the people who are are happy, like my brother and CJ, who told us that he collapsed on the floor in his living room and cried.

I was planking in his own home. Thought they lost because I was crying. CJ, Are you like a cryer? Do you cry? Often? Only when my team hasn't want because some because some people are like criers, they'll cry like all the time. Brad cried when Pikachu left Ash and that was it, and like then I know what that means. Yeah, it's a Pokemon thing. When he was a kid, he cried when Pikachu left Ash. She was a child and that was it. What do you mean It's like hasn't been since he hasn't cried. I think maybe when his grandparents died and it really he's not a crier?

Are you a crier? Oh?

My god? All the time? All the time for just no reason? Sometimes okay, and I love it. I really am like.

No, no, no, no, it's fine. I just I I definitely don't cry as much as I used to.

Yeah, when I'm a set or frustrated or excited or happy. It's just like how my body expresses an intense emotion. Okay, So like I'll be crying because I'm just like this is the coolest thing ever, not because of any distress. So people oftentimes misinterpret my tears. It's like this person's not.

Okay, I can't. I'm trying to remember, like, yeah, I do cry, but I don't feel like I cry all the time. However, the other day, I'm.

Trying to think of a time when I saw you cry.

Oh no, you can't do my dad's wake I was crying. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think. I don't think i've cried. Really, does I stuffed the feelings down?

Just raise catholic.

I'm Catholic, I'm patient. I stuff the feelings down, That's what it is.

Let's get into a sidebar on grief, please perceed.

This is not grief, though, the other day, so Haiti has not been in the World Cup since nineteen seventy three, I think, and again I don't really care about sports, but I care about this. This is about pride point oh for sure, for sure, for sure, and we need this, we need we need some good and this is a very good thing. And I also know if my dad was alive, he would lose his mind, right, thank you.

And so the other day they were playing Scotland and I got weepy when they were playing the national anthem, the Haitian national anthem, which I had practiced, and now I know. And it's hard, it's hard. It's a very well. My French is not sad, very French. My French is not that good.

I imagine it's in French.

It's in French.

I'm gonna go out on a limit. It's probably in French.

It's in French. There is also a creole version. And when I was saying to my mom, I'm like, I don't I don't know this, and she was like annoyed with me, She's like, why don't you know it? I'm like, did you teach me why I know the punge of allegiance in America, but I didn't, so she was annoyed with me. But now I know it.

My mom is always horrified if I tell her that I got like a parking ticket and didn't pay it immediately.

I always forget to pay my parking tickets. Come knocking on my door, they send me, they send me, and I keep on saying, oh, I have to remember to pay it, and then I put it to the side. It's a bright orange envelope. Well that's when I that's when I really pay it. I'm like, oh wait, it's the orange envelope is here.

I'm always like, how bad does it have to get in New York City for them to come drag me away?

They're made, They've They've reached out to me. Hey, Melissa, we know they say things like we know sometimes we get busy.

Hey girl, you up, what are you doing? I had a neighbor in my old building downstairs from Chris was this hilarious Polish woman who I won't say her name, but it's like a very Polish name, Megda.

Yeah.

Yeah, I got it close to Magda.

Yeah.

But she always this is someone did I tell you her cat was like attacking people.

Yes, yeah, I remember. Oh my god.

I don't know if we told this story on the show. But basically, there was this this other older woman in the and her home health aid. I ran into her on the street and I was like, how you doing and she was like, oh, I don't go to that building anymore because Magda's cat attacked me. And she lifted up her skirt on the street and her legs it looked like Freddy Krueger gouch mar.

It was like shaving her legs.

So anyway, the people came and booted Magda's car once right in front of the building, and I asked her. I was like, wow, they booted your car. She's like, yeah, they do it if you have over five hundred dollars in parking tickets.

Okay, I've never gotten there.

I was like, damn girl.

CJJ raised his hand, Wow, really is it? Are you forgetting?

Or I was in college in the Bronx.

Oh that doesn't count. It doesn't count.

My car actually got towed, and I thought stolen. If someone tows my carm, like keep it, keep it.

I wouldn't do that.

I would I would be like I'm going to leave it there for a couple of weeks so I don't get parking tickets, and then.

They charge you. They charge you per day.

Do they Yes? Is it more than the ticket? Yes? Okay, all right, well all right, never mind, I'm going to go get it. But they don't. They don't tell it.

Have you what's your problem?

I was going to ask you, have you been through customs recently? Because I just went through customs. I just flew back into the country because there was a group of a plan full of Haitians.

I texted you, Michael texted me about this.

Planeful of Haitians got off right in front of me in the customs line. And I don't have global entry.

I don't.

Everyone's zombie. I get that answer all the time. Everyone zombie about it.

I just got it. I'm so I'm not being superior. I'm surprised you don't have it.

I don't have it because I don't want to go to the airport for that extra interview.

Michael, I did it, and I also felt the same way two minutes.

But to get to the airport, it was a pain in the ass.

See yeahs and nothing good ever happens at Liguardia.

And people thank you, and people are like, oh, you could do it when you're flying back in, Yeah, you can. When I'm flying back in.

Now you just want to go home.

I feel like, no, I hear you. I feel like I did it. I got run over by the Knicks parade, So who did it? And ran?

Just ridden hard.

I'm looking like, who did it?

In ran?

It's forty miles a rough highway.

What were the Haitians like?

So by the time, I honestly don't feel like I'm allowed to say what the Haitians were like in mine, but I will imagine, but I will say by the time I got to the custom sky he said, he looked at me. I'm not kidding. He said, I'm going on break after this. He said, you are my last person, okay, And he said do you have anything in your bags that you need to declare? And I said no, no, He said, go leave here immediately. He did not look at my passport, which I was like, doesn't someone need to know I'm back in the country, Like, don't think I'm like an immigration learn I'm thinking, have I ever had a client who never got stamped like that? Just happened to me, never got the customs of border protection, never

documented me returning.

To tell you and I love my people. I do. I clearly you've been on a lot of flights back from Haiti. Yes, and I get it. And dealing with Haitian people, I mean, being Haitian is not for the week, right, growing up in a Haitian household, nobody can hurt my feelings. My feelings cannot be hurt. So yeah, poor guy, Oh no, he'll be okay.

Then, yeah, let's get into an algorithm is showing. Did you see the people doing like wheelie motorbike, motorbike motorcross crossroads on lawn.

No, I did not see that, but you know what I did see. I did see it. A couple of people come to blows peoples cuffs on the white and not the people in the cage, the random people. And the thing about it is like, you know, I think when you see like a fight in a movie, right or a show, it's like very like dramatic and boom and but when people are real people are fighting, it's like like cats fighting with each other. It's kind of.

Like people that choreography. No, not at all. There's always one move that like you know, that person's embarrassed because they kind of like did like a weird flick with their wrists. Were they made like the noise.

Or like I think it's really funny where people, real people are fighting and they're not fighting with like their fists out there. Yes, it's more like.

Or the or the wife always comes up and behind and it's like you stop it. It gets them with a broom handle or something.

There's always real weird flick.

So you better not. It's like that's not going to stop them. They're rolling around on the ground. Oh my god. Yeah, So Trump spend sixty million on the on this fight on the lawn, right, we did six my healthcare. My deductible went up so that he could have a UFC fight on his front lawn.

So CJ, tell me tell us again what you said, like what you're feeling of why he did this. It's like what.

It's like a twelve year old boy got a wish from a genie and wanted to become president.

And he just wanted to have an mma by and I'll bet you like a giant probably like a giant Sam's Club cake with a really thick layer of frosting.

You know those really long heroes we got we they slice them because the Italian hero.

Island. I just notified, I don't can we get lower than this? Like how much lower can it get? Right? Forget all the terrible policies that are coming through, Forget all of.

That, forgot the Epstein files, forget.

It, but this is just at its core, it is like the trashiest it's so fucking trashy.

Well. I was like, how are we going to literally distract from the New York Times Epstein files, Like there was this huge article in New York Times magazine last week.

You know what, and I missed it.

I read the whole thing.

How bad is that?

It is so bad? It's Maggie Haberman and it's so bad. It documents basically how the Trump administration, his cabinet of like six eight people, including JD. Vance, used the Situation Room to figure out what to do last year. Remember, there was like the New York article. It was like his poem to Jeffrey Epstein. It was like his birthday card and it was on the cover of the New Yorker. Yes, yes, I think it was The New Yorker. Fact check me on that. But basically when that came out last summer, everyone started talking about Epstein. It was so clear that Trump was very much involved in the Epstein files, that there was a cover up, that everyone was involved in the cover up, that he was using the government to

cover up what was in the files, and Pam Bondi was involved. And so his cabinet met in the Situation Room, the room for Warfare, and meant to discuss how they were going to handle this, whether they should get in front of the release of the files, whether they need to.

Well, here's what I'm thinking. The reason why they met the situation room where we talk about war because I think that they believe that they are at war against the media, do you know what I'm saying? So, like, how are we going to strategize, How are we going to get in front of this? How can we make this go up?

Can we protect the president?

How do we protect this.

R we're trying to do? And so the article was basically like they fumbled it at every turn, Like there was no no outcome from that meeting.

That was Michael. They fumble at every turn for everything, nothing is going well.

But it got even more met up because including the meeting to talk about how to not fumble got fumbled because there might have been a recording of that meeting in the situation room and everyone's talking.

About it, the Trump did it.

They're terrified that there's going to be a clip that gets dropped of them talking about what to do.

Yeah, I hope.

So so they're running around the chickens with chickens with their heads cut off right today while we're recording. So I'm like, I can't wait for that recording to drop. I'm going to eat it up. We're going to play it on the show.

Oh yeah, I just how does this?

And well they're talking about they're like, well, which part of the meeting is going to drop? Which means many parts of the meeting were a problem. They're trying to figure they're trying to figure out what to do if which part of the meeting drops, which means there were multiple parts of the meeting really problem matter.

Right that that they are worried about. So we need to try and get in front of they're doing planning part A.

Right, Yeah, the plan A or f right Now, there's probably a recording of this meeting about what to do about the recording and the meeting put that on, put that Sometimes I just.

Where are we? Where are you? What's happening? What did what did we do to deserve this?

A part of me is like, should I have just gone back on that plane with those Haitians? Got turned around at customs and border protections and I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here, Get me to port a Prince. Welcome back to brief Rests. This is under oath where we take a deep dive into a topic with a special.

Guest, and today we're really excited to welcome Laura Dunn. Laura is an award winning civil rights attorney, a former educator, and a nationally recognized advocate for survivors. She played a key role in drafting and passing the twenty thirteen reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act. She is a current member of the New York State Bar Association and is currently running for Congress to restore accountability, uphold the rule of law, and ensure government works for the people, not the powerful. Laura, thank you so much for coming, Welcome to being here.

Thank you guys for having me on. This is a great group to have this discussion with.

We met actually last week during the Courier News event. There was a debate and I got to moderate it along with a group of other political influencers. It was really fun. Yeah, we got to meet you. It was great. What did you think of that event?

I was very happy to be on sta agent some of you know, there's three debates for NY twelve. I was actually robbed of the stage the first time. I hit five percent in the largest pole that's the requirement, and then the news agency decided to run their own pole that was a fraction of the size, and they disqualified me, didn't invite me on I know. And when I looked up who owned them, I was not surprised to see four private equity companies, including black Rocks. So ikes, here we are.

I mean, private equity is ruining everything everything they touch. Yeah, yeah, that's really frustrating.

So this was like one of the few debates who actually got to be a part of Yes, which is so messed up. It is because, let me tell you, she ate them up. Laura gobbled them up, and it was it was fierce Yes. And I was like, I got to get Laura on the show because she really did, Like you were incredible. So I just had fun listening to you because you really like it's I mean, it's tell as old as time, right, Like there was like the NEPO Baby, the it was like the white men got their big pitch and their moment, and you had the actual substance and credentials and the resume, and you were polished and brilliant and we're saying all the right things that everyone really needed to hear. But then of course weren't included in many of the debates.

Well, and that's why, because no one owns me. And that's the challenge in this race, right we have super packs behind to the candidates who are very part of the establishment. Michael Bloomberg's backing Michael Lasher. He's a billionaire. He controls a lot of the media in New York City. We also had Alex Borez, who used to work for Palanteer hugely problematic, made his fortune off working for that company during all the issues with Ice during the Trump administration, actually cashed out to live in the house he is in now and he says he's a champion, but he's taking money from Menthropics. So it kind of feels like he's just switching AI lords and signing us up for a different program. And it's really hard when you see

what's going on and you know the voters don't. And that's why I was so wound up for that debate. I'm like, if I only get one, I'm going to make a count and sounds like you did. Yeah, hopefully.

How many people are in the race?

Eight total? So people have been very frustrated because people were in and out of this race from the beginning, and it was really also part of the challenge that people came in, soaked up a lot of media attention and then just dropped out out of nowhere. People who actually found raised really well over a million dropped out of nowhere, and it's because they were frustrated with the working of the system. It was very clear who was going to be endorsed by all the Democratic clubs. It was very clear that that was going to create lots of problems down the line for field operations. And what I always try to point out to people is when they're frustrated, like why didn't you raise more money? Why

weren't you on every stage, I'm like, I didn't give up. I'm right here if that's what you want from someone in Congress who gives up and tosses in the towel, Like, that's why you have the leaders you have. If you want someone who fights no matter what they're given, then you want to pick me when you go into thet.

I also feel like in New York, we're always talking about how progressive New York is, right, but I think when these races come around, we really realize how antiquated a lot of our systems are. How you know, we really are going to be a reflection of the rest of the country many times, Like, sure, we may be very socially progressive, but at the end of the day, I think what we're seeing in the New York twelve race right now is that the deepest pockets are the ones that are going the furthest in the polls, right.

Yeah, And it's been really frustrating. So there's, you know, all these groups that target certain types of political candidates. Right there's the women's groups, the queer groups, the union groups, and I will say all the women's groups donated to men, all the lgbt g Q groups excuse me, donated to cis gender men. And there's two queer women in this race, which is like, really, we were livid, you know, when into our community and we've turned away. And of course the unions picked people who have never been union members.

I've been a teacher. I was part of United Teachers of New Orleans, and that means I was in post coatrada in New Orleans the first year of the schools reopened, working alongside a bunch of teachers who have been disenfranchised for three years while the government figured out what to do, and we marched together and we fought for what was right for our kids. And when I taught on Chicago's North Side, which was largely immigrant and refugee, I was at a public charter and it was deeply problematic and the way it was engaging with some of the teachers who were highly qualified and female and weren't getting promoted and underqualified men were. So we unionized and I fought the administration. So when you come in with these credentials

of I've actually fought for LGBTQ plus rights through Title nine cases, I've actually fought for women's rights, and then they're like, sorry, it's not your turn, Like what is this turn? Thing like isn't it the best leader?

That's what I thought it was. Sarah. Let me ask you this. You said something interesting that you you know, you went to the queer groups and you went to the groups for women who and they supported the men and the sister. Why do you think that is? What do you think? I mean? I don't want to put person in tell me, tell me what why you think that is?

It's a few different things. Like I think career politicians are the worst leaders in the entire world because they've never done anything real right now, I've never started business, They've never been at a school, like, they don't have real world experience. They're in a little bubble and they're raised up to be exactly who above them wanted them to be, and so they're just kind of parroting the system.

But when you run, people are like, well, we didn't see you. You weren't part of these clubs. You weren't yet a lawmaker. And I'm like, yeah, I didn't want to be. I was in a courtroom, I was getting a legal education, I was working my executive NBA, And why you start like, I was building these life experiences that helped me see from a better perspective than most of the people. But these are two men that got in line a long time ago. Numerous people were like I watched them grow up, and this is kind of what they were raised for. And it's so painful when people walk up and say I want a woman leader, like run again. It's like you keep getting women leaders, Like look at District three. We just has election there.

That's the quote unquote gay district in your health's kitchen, and there's three amazing women and then one guy, and he won by a landslide, even though Mom Donnie even endorsed one of the women. And it was kind of eye opening to me because I had heard more from the Hell's Kitchen Dems that they wanted women leaders than anywhere else. But they were like, oh, he was loyal, he's been here the longest. It's like, if you're only going to vote for the people that you see the most, and you want everyone to get in line, that's fine, say so, say that this is the requirement for you to have office. But if you're going to be open to other types of leaders, give people credit for being in courtrooms, like I was already working on the hill,

which no one else in this race did like you have to have open credentials to have more variety of leaders.

And it's like that meme of Carrie Bradshaw where it's like you say you want complicated female characters, but you couldn't handle her, like you couldn't just handle Carry Bradshaw or Lena Dunham's character and girls and people couldn't handle it, and everyone's like, we want complex female leads, and it's like you literally are still hung up on Big and Carrie, like it's been twenty years, right, Yeah, But I want to talk about you know, Epstein has been in the news a lot, and you have talked a lot about sexual violence in your campaign, so I wanted to bring you on the show. And I know you've been a civil rights attorney for a long time before you run, So I just wanted to talk about that, your hopes

for New York twelve, how these issues are really important to you, and why if you want to take it from there.

So I call myself the accountability candidate. My platform is very clear that I want term limits, that's both for Congress and the Supreme Court. I want to end insider trading, no more making millions off of public office, ethical standards for the Supreme Court. So we know it's politically corrupt right now. But to your point, there's all this other corruption, right I try to keep everything in threes because we're litigators, people, memories, court exactly. But Epstein, that scandal just really breaks my heart.

Republic about being a campus sexual salt survivor. That's actually how I found my way into politics. I never wanted this path, but this was the right path to make change. So when I experienced sexual violence, I turned around shared my name, face story at a time when everyone was still Jane Doe. That allowed me this amazing platform that got the attention of President Obama, and I advocated in Congress in both Republican and Democrat offices for two years as a law student, sharing my rape story over and over and over to pass the twenty thirteen Violence Against Women Act. It took everything I had. I remember I once hunted down Senator Al Franken. He was ignoring our requests, he was not being supportive. He was part of the

Senate Judiciary. I found him on the stairwell and just called out to him in front of a group of thirty people in front of him and was like, you have ignored this bill, So it really required me to step up. And that's why I no, federal law and policy is so important, and I also know what it takes. So when you look at the Epstein files that happened in NY twelve, and none of the men are talking about that, and that should signal everything for one of the biggest scandals. That shows that there's foreign influence, foreign money, and really obviously despicable crimes and horrors that were being committed.

And yet it's not in anyone's radar. That's the Epstein class filtering money and picking your candidate for them. I know both myself and the other woman in this race, we would not tolerate this. We are from the communities that have been harded by general violence. We're not going to stand it. And I'm very honored that Epstein survivors have come been there when I put the petitions to get on the ballot in, they were there hugging me and saying we need a survivor. So I want to be let loose on Congress. I want to tear it up.

I want to call these names out. I really admire all the people who have been listing the names of the perpetrators that are these files. But it's not enough. We have to rebuild the DOJ and we have to make a commitment because it will show us exactly what's been happening to our elections. I don't think Donald Trump won by accident. I think he won by intention and will know more when we get into the Epstein files about where the money is coming from, who is behind these plans?

Oh my god, gosh, that's you know.

I just I always more and more I ask myself, you know, how did we get here? Why are we in this space? Why are the lives of women and children and victims of sexual assault not taken seriously? They're they're not important. But we love our guns, you know, And and it just seems to me that that's happening more and more. It feels like it's getting worse, and it's harder and harder for me personally to I want to remain engaged, but sometimes it feels like too much.

It feels like a lot. It feels like a lot. But I also know that if I don't remain engaged, then it's never going to change, which is why we have people like you. But yeah, it's frustrating. It's frustrating, and it must be really frustrating for you to be in this position. You're running for office and you're listening to all these stories and you're getting these sort of roadblocks because you're not a part of what the old boys that works the system. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well the good news is I've never been part of the system, so I'm actually like kind of used to it, and I think it helps bring out like the true nature of who I am and why I fight. So no matter the outcome of this particular race, I'm obviously fighting to the end. I hit five percent, thirty percent are undecided. It's a race literally anyone could win. But no matter what happens, like, I know who I am and I've grounded in that, and it's gained a lot of respect on the ground. So people who may be looking at them men saying they have a leg up, they know that I'm right behind them. So I don't think it's over. But to your point about being overwhelmed, I guess one of the weirder parts of my platform

that I've talked about is being pro psychedelics and why that topic. It's because it focuses on healing. So there is so much unwellness in our society. We have lived through COVID, we have had political unrest.

Us all the time. How we are not over COVID. No, we just went right back to work. We picked up that dusty pen off the desk where we left it two years earlier, that we plugged the computer back end. And I know someone they left their laptop charger at the office and just went back and just plugged their laptop back in a year later, and we have not and we've just not looked at it.

We've talked about it, no doubt.

Yeah, I mean that was it was a very traumatic experience, and I don't think that we've given it the gravitas that it deserves, right, I mean, because especially when you think back in the very beginning, for me, anyway, I was convinced we were all going to die, right Like I was convinced that we were living the stand by Stephen King, Like that's what I felt like was going to happen. I was worried about everybody, and I was afraid.

And I don't think that any of us really sat back to really reflect on what we went through. And like Michael said, we just sort of went back to work. I went back to work and my calendar was still on March from March of twenty twenty and I went back in like twenty twenty two when I was like, well, just I'm the calendar.

I love psychedelics and I talk about this on the Shawl that I'm a post pandemic. Had a really hard time going back to work, going back to the courtroom, going back to walking down the street and seeing other people's faces, like it really was emotionally difficult for me. And Melissa was there for me through and through the whole time. But I went to ketamine therapy and like my insurance paid for it. Like it was a full, you know, above word experience. I wasn't in a warehouse in Bushwick, but it really helped me. It really helped me get to a place where I could do things like launch a podcast or you know, get out there on social media. I wouldn't have been able to do without that. It was so healing.

I really admire that you're talking about that people need to know that this is available to them, and certain types are legal. I have done the more not so legal types. I'm DMA to heal from PTSD and psilocybin, and now I do kambu, which is totally an Amazon Frog poison.

Cool.

Yeah, it makes you violently also not super cool, but for twenty minutes you're purging and then afterwards people have visions. I have not had the benefit of those visions, but it definitely physically clears the vessel.

Wow, I've never heard of this.

It is so fat Again, Michael and I talk about this all the time, Like, I grew up in a household where you know, my mother equated marijuana to crack cocaine, right, So it's the same. It was. It was the same. It was the same. And so this idea that you could use psychedelics as a as a as a means of healing from trauma is it's so it's weird to me because I can't imagine it, and I will admit I'm also I think a little bit afraid of what am I going to remember? What am I going to discover?

When I tell people I've done ketamine therapy, that is the thing. The number one thing they say to me is I'm afraid of what I'm going to learn about myself. Yes, yeah, that is Honestly, the only resistance people tell me when I'm like, oh, you should try it. I only had positive experiences crowd a lot, but like it was a healing, interesting journey, And what they say to me is, I'm afraid of how it will change my life, whether they'll learn that their relationship with someone is wrong for them, or their job or dynamic that they're in. They're afraid of facing the change, is what I notice when I talk to people.

Well, that's even happening right now, right people want to go back to what was and it can't happen. You have to be bold and brave and realize that there's something new and it actually could be better. And that's the best part of it. Right. So my experience, the reason I kind of brought it up in response to your comment is I now kind of almost have like a divine perspective where it's almost humorous what we as humans choose to do, because we really have the power to choose any way, to rewant, to have any policy we want, and yet we keep getting stuck in this fight.

Do people deserve healthcare?

Like?

Are we still fighting about that? Really?

Like?

Because I think the younger generations don't have a question. We're like, yes, human beings deserve to live and to live well and not to struggle and not to die in the streets. So it's very interesting that we're kind of stuck in this place. But I think we can get past it, and it's just a choice. And so when all these horrors are kind of playing one by one rapidly, I'm definitely furious. And I'm sure you saw some of that power come out in the debate. Lawyers, I think learn how to channel it and we just come.

Katie Kirk and Don Lemon were in the green room like.

Gags. They were like to.

Katie Kirk, like, do snaps in the green room because we're hearing what's going on on the stage was hilarious.

Yeah, it was.

Because what Laura was saying, like she really was eating them alive, because a lot of what they were saying was just like political bullshit.

It's sort of that was the pivoting, and that's sort of going in circles that words right, and.

Alex Bars said that everyone on the stage had a super pack and Laura was like, I would love to meet my super pa.

It's not doing a great job if it's out there.

She was like, wait a minute, Yeah, this is the first time heard.

Yeah, well that's what happens when people get off their talking points. I say crazy things, and lawyers we go right in.

Uh.

There was actually a forum earlier that week on Monday with Michael Lasher and me, and he had the first question. It was about the definition of anti Semitism from the Holocaust Remembrance Organization that New York had adopted, and the mom Donnie had kind of struck down and they were saying, you know, what's your position on this definition. He was like, I don't want to answer. This divides us more than anything else, and he dodged it. Then it came to me and I was like, this is the lawyer training.

I am ready. And I was like, isn't it a shame when politicians dodge hard questions? And everyone was like and I was like, lawyers don't get to do that. We literally walk into court to answer these questions. I'm not afraid to take a stand. I don't even care the consequence of taking the stand because I've thought deeply about it, researched it, and I know what a stand for and I will pay the price for them. And you know, I saw Jack Shlasberg kind of wiggle woggle on you know, Israel Palestine and try to be progressive but also pro Israel, and he just flip popped and made everyone mad and he dropped ten points. And it's like, you can't make everyone happy, and the fact that you don't know that means you're not ready for office. You

have to take your stand. You have to know what you're about and just know that there's a price tag for it, and that's okay. If someone wants a different leader, they will find a different leader. And your time is not now. So I have enjoyed the few opportunities have had to really jab at these men who have come up there, and it's just the four of them on stage.

No one's throwing any punches, no one's getting into the tough issues. So I'm glad they started inviting the.

Women politically aligned. Trying not to piss off anybody. What do you say? I'm so fucking sick of talking about Ai, but I do feel like we have to have I heard AI one more time.

I'm gonna right, but it's a they're going to It's not just the fruit. It's like really important.

It's really important, and I know it's come up a lot in this race. It's not just like, what do you think about AI? AM not like some Silicon Valley tech bro I do feel like it has been one of the top three things that has come up randomly in this New York twelve congressional race. Take it away, Laura tell us.

So if it makes you less annoyed, you could say big tech generally, right, it's AI is just one issue.

Right.

We have crypto in there, we have quantum computing, we already have social media. And I have talked about Section two thirty, the immunity given to big tech companies that allows them to do many things that newspapers cannot do, such as spread misinformation, tailor algorithms to create more political division.

And I think we need to get rid of that, and that I think would solve a lot of our problems right now. But I think AI is such a big thing because it's replacing people's jobs. Right, college students can't get an entry level job. We're scared for our kids who are falling in love with AIS are being told how to commit suicide, or god knows what else is happening. We also have AIS undressing women and harassing them in ways that we have never imagined before. It's the boogeyman that's out there. And Alex Brez did a state law that kind of reined that in. It's the only state. New York is the only state that's really kind of tackled the issue. But they did it because the thorough government wasn't why is that because of all

the money going in to deter it. So he did that, and now he has AI money coming in. And when I was on stage, I pointed out that there was four different AI consumer protection bills that he alone voted against as this quote unquote AI Champion, which really raises questions and I really believe is a trojan horse. I think he was sent to look like a hero when he's not. He's just going to set up a specific AI company Anthropic over that appallenteer and it's just marketing and thropics the less evil. But AI can't be reined in, like, let's not be fooled. We can say it can, but it can't.

Can't.

Know it add quantum computing that's coming in five years. We are We're in trouble. And I think the hardest thing that I've ever said, which did not win many favors, but I said it. I meant it was during the UFT the Teachers' Union endorsement, they were asking about AI and education, and I'm a former teacher, and I said, the research is actually showing that more screen time and use of AI is impeding cognitive development. We literally have generations that are less academically successful. This is not okay, and so we have to have moretoriums. I hate to say it. We can't just implement and see what happens.

We can experiment on children. And I don't think they liked that answer. Here we are, but I mean that answer. AI is not for everywhere and everything. Maybe it shouldn't belong in, for example, wars. We really want to give lethal ability to a technology we can't control and just see what happens. Not me. So I think we can put guardrails around it. I really want to adopt the precautionary principle, which is what we have in Europe, which says you can't put something into the consumer population until you've proven it safe. So you can put regulations around it.

You can have ethical standards. We can have a whole requirement. This is what we do with drugs, right, they have to be approved before they go out. We could do something similar and that way we find out where it's okay and we have them investing in research. Does it in pea cognitive development? Does it not? And until we have people who are willing to tell corporations that are getting trillion dollar valuations, no, we're going to be stuck with whatever the latest innovation is, no matter the consequence to our children.

I hate AI so much, and I'll go on the record with that. I fucking hate AI.

I am so sick of that spoken like lear.

I have tried it. I think it's dumb, it is not smarter. I hate it. I've tried using it for like legal briefs or for emotion or whatever. And the tea about my legal briefs and my motion is that they're from me to you. Yeah, So once I start pumping that into AI, it's not written as me I like a stylized motion her mother was beheaded. A. I is not going to say that when I put that in, like help me draft this legal motion or like my asylum argument, I'll say that, but a A I will say respondents parents suffered extreme hardship, like it will say, like some sort of guard.

Water down word salad. Yeah, So I don't know.

I hate it.

I think it's dumb.

I don't think it applies to everything, and I think it's over hyped and it's gonna bubble that's going to burst. Judge also on the record with that.

Yeah, judges are kicking it out of the courtroom. People coming with their AI lawyers and judges are like, get it out.

It's not gonna I had this a conversation with my primary care physician a few months back, and she wanted me to know that they were under the doctors were under pressure to use AI for the note taking, and she's a pretty old school doctor and she was psch. I refused, and she wanted me to know that they must tell you that they're using it, and if I find out that they've used it and they haven't told me, I can bring charges up against them. Right. But her worry is, you know, she says, people come to her, she's their physician, and they tell her intimate things about what's going on in their lives, things are going on with their health, and she is deeply uncomfortable with the idea of whatever AI turns into having that information.

Yeah, and it'll hear your voice and you know, AI can mimic voices like I don't want to find out where the end of the story goes, but I'm with you. And a positive example of AI though, is like breast cancer, the detection you still need human oversight, right, but using a machine is actually more accurate than humans. So that's a great example where the research is showing it's better and it doesn't I think, inherently replace anything.

Yeah.

So that's the balance. You know, people act like it's all in, all out, and it's like we have.

A balance to most things, right, and we just have to find that what's going to do no harm as little as harm as possible.

Absolutely, yes, So where are we in this race?

Well, again, I want to thank you guys for having me on. It's so important that we have new media. We know that traditional media is dying, right, monopoly is we can literally there's like spreadsheets now of like three companies that own or three different owners for fifty companies.

There's about to be another Selder about to merger.

Yeah, goodness, that's just approved. I don't know how Elizabeth Warren is handling this right. She's been calling for the breaking up monopolies for so long. That's why I backed her for presidential run back in twenty sixteen. It's it's deeply problematic what is happening with our media, and I've seen a lack of critical thinking about the candidates that are offered, a lack of expiration. One of the things I brought up on the debate stage was a racist cartoon that Michael helped distribute in white neighborhoods, going after Reverend Al Sharpton. And it was a horrific graphic and we found it because even though it's been talked about once or twice, no one's shown the image. And it was to impede a Latino mayoral candidate. It was meant

to have him lose. And so I am very concerned when I see black and brown communities saying, oh, maybe Mike is the choice. It's like, if it's convenient for him, then sure he'll show up for you. If it's not, then you're going to be used as fodder. And you should know that about your candidates, who has always stood for the communities, not come only when they need something, so I have tried to be the vocal advocate, and people like you have helped lift me up and I really appreciate that giving me this opportunity. I want people to really think as they go to vote for n Y twelve, who do you want? I have heard from many people who do they think is going to win?

Just different than who do you want? And we need to start voting who do you want? Because we saw this amazing shift with Mom Donnie versus Cuomo, Cole Old Guard. It was the big money, it was the billionaires. It was this ugly attitude of I will take what I want, no one can stop me, and we won. I love that a door knocked for Mayor mont Donnie and he has yet to choose a candidate. I hope he'll choose me.

That's day.

Well.

And it might be smart that he doesn't say who he wants to move for, because he's not super super loved. It was a fifty to fifty split in twelve. He's loved everywhere else, but it's a high Jewish population and people were I think rightly upset with his use of anti fada and things at the beginning. I think he's worked really hard to try to correct missteps and errors that have stoked some anti Semitism. But I understand people who are very upset. It's maybe one of the quickest questions I get asked on the street is like Mandannie or Cuomo? And I was like, Mom Donnie, and people will walk away and starve away. But Cuomo's actually harassed Charlotte Bennett, who is someone who interned for me, and

I was the first phone call she made after that incident, and she said, I think I have to sue my boss. I didn't know she worked for Cuomo, but she called me to get a referral and I gave her one. So I'm never going to vote for that man. I'm so glad he's nowhere in the city from what I can tell. But he thought about entering this race, and some part of me kind of wish he did so I had someone to punch against, because that was the beauty the Mom Donnie race. There was someone to punch against.

There was a bad guy this one. I think everyone is generally a pretty good Democrat, right, and it's different levels of experience, And so why I'm saying, Picky, you really want to lead? Who is the new voice, who is saying the things you haven't heard, Who is the person that's going to fight the battles versus look away, and then vote for them because when thirty percent or undecided, that swings an entire race. So don't how anyone out take your time eight candidates, just research all of them. Yeah, takes a minute.

I actually really love what you're saying about choose stop thinking so much about who's going to win, because I have been guilty of thinking the same people as well. I could do this, but is my vote wasted?

Right?

But this notion of vote for the person who you really want in the job, vote for the person that you think will do their best. If more of us think that way, the shift that we're hoping will happen. I think will eventually happen. It might take some time, but it's a better way to think about it.

A vote is a message to the establishment of where the current is going, right, and NY twelve really is the district that everyone in the country watches. It's Manhattan. It's where all the new innovation ideas come from. So we're way too much money and power have been consolidated. So even a significant shift like towards a non establishment candidate, says a lot to any establishment candidate that would win to maybe be more progressive than they're inclined to be, which is good. We want a representative who's understanding where the current is going and not just you know, standing by for example, Hquem Jeffries. It absolutely killed me. I didn't have time in the debate to make all the points I wanted, but him Jeffries, has come out saying

impeaching Donald Trump is no longer the priority. It's now affordability. And they're related, you know, like we can't have someone stealing one point eight billion dollars from IRS and then pretend like that's not going to affect the taxpayer, So it's related. But the minute that came out, Michael Lasher was in a forum for ninety second Street Why, and he said, it is a fantasy world. It is impossible.

There's no world that exists in which we can impeach Donald Trump. And I was shocked. I've listened to him in every debate and I was like, where is this coming from? And then I saw Hikin Jeffreys and I was like, oh, so you you have abandoned your principles that you've said in every single forum because someone said it's not our priority, and so you just shifted on a dime. You didn't listen to what the people on the ground said, because if you did, everyone wants him out, Like especially after what he did with the NIXT game.

I mean he's gone now.

He's like, where's your moral compass?

Right? Well, thank you for joining us, Laura. Early voting is happening now if you're listening to this on Thursday or watching it on YouTube, and the election is on Tuesday, June twenty third, So get to the polls, vote for who you care about.

Laura. Where can people find you on social night you look into the camera link.

Thank ye. So Lourdne for Congress dot com is the home base, and Loura Done for Congress is TikTok. It's LinkedIn Facebook. The only one that's different is of course Twitter and X. I'm sorry I'm still on there. It's a political necessary Loura Done Ny twelve, But I would love to have you follow, like shoot me a message.

I actually do respond to everyone who asks me questions because I want you to know who you're voting for and what my values are.

Thank you so much, Thank you so much, Thank you for coming coming.

Course, thank you guys.

This is Tales from the Dams. We're going to talk about all the weird, wild, freaky, dky things you send me in my DMS. You email it to brief Recess at exactly Wrightmedia dot com, or you send them to Melissa, whatever you want to do. We're reading it on the show and it's getting sick and twisted and I love it.

Sure is, so Melissa.

Who am I? What I always say? Friends? Well, Michael is a lawyer. He's not your lawyer, so you probably should find your own. By the way, speaking of that, somebody quoted that to me where in Kate may I love that? I know?

I love that.

I know.

Not this show getting traction, not this not people liking this show, not that being on my twenty twenty six Bingo card that was not on there. But here we are. You know what, not many people believed in us.

We believed in us.

Yeah, be the change you wish to see at the bottom of the trappy fountain.

Totally random things. Did you see? My mom commented on Magalie.

She is using ten nine words. She's getting in there she is respond.

I'm like, thanks, mom, you welcome.

Oh my god. Okay. The one thing I don't want you guys to send us medical prognoses because someone someone sent me a mental illness prognosis.

What what do you got.

Telling me I'm bipolar?

Are you?

I don't think so?

Should you ask somebody not a medical professional why? I'm curious, though, what is it? What behaviors? Hey, friends, what behaviors.

Having them do exactly what I don't want.

But I'm curious, Like I would never have said that about you. So I'm wondering what it is that they're looking at. And they're like, he's he's bipolar.

Man's bipolar.

He's bipolar. It's like the person who told me that I was jaundice.

You're like, I'm actually just black.

I'm just brown.

I'm just a black woman.

That's all that it is. Thank you.

Okay. So this is from the sixty Minutes episode This is a fun show review. Mike Alvoord fifty five says, Actually, guys, nobody is watching CBS News or sixty Minutes. CBS is full of partisan active and not journalists. Did you not think this would catch up to you eventually? No, I didn't. This is the first I thought about it.

He's not talking to you, oh, talking to CBS. He's talking to.

It's like, wow, yeah, I am really part of isant. Actually I'm not a journalist, so it did catch up to me.

No, he's not talking I don't Okay, thanks, I don't think that Mike is talking to you. I think he's talking to CBS. I used to watch CBS in the morning every day, and we've and we switched, which is and I have a family member who works on that show. So oh yeah, but you gotta do something, you gotta stand for something. I get scruples from somewhere.

Scruples from somewhere. Katie Kirk gave me your number. She was in CBS.

Who she she was on NBC?

NBC.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, one day.

One day, you'll tell me a Katie Kirk story.

Is a Magley Joel Melissa's story.

Okay, for one more reason, you should just tell me.

Okay. When I decided to have weight loss surgery, I did not want to tell my parents because they were going to be in my ear about it. And then finally my brother said to me, if you don't tell them. I'm going to tell them.

Did he give you a deadline? Yeah?

So the week of I show up at my parents' house late at night and my mom is like, what are you doing here? And I was like nothing.

You're like, I'm on a deadline Joey gave me.

I said nothing. Where's where's Pop? And she was like he's in the room and I said okay. So I went back there and my dad was like half asleep, and I was like hey. He was like, what's the matter. I was like nothing, I wanted to talk to you with mom. So I turn around to call my mom and she's right here.

Like I bumped intown, like like alien, like right here.

So I go on to say whatever, I'm going to have weight loss surgery and they're like, oh my god. And then my dad said to me Lisa. He's like, I look it Al Roker and he says Al Roker the weather man on Good Morning America. This is important, okay, And my mom says, Joel. That's my dad's name is Joel. I woka sit back, Good Morning, I met you go I woke on East Today Show.

I meanwhile, You're like, I'm trying to make an important life announcement.

And when I tell you this went back and forth for like three minutes, and I'm sitting here and my mom is like, I woke her today, show get your correc Matt Lawe and go. And then my dad's like, you're right, you know what.

Minutes later. There was another part of that story though, that you haven't told yet, and I want you to. I want you to say it.

Oh right now, I'll say so. One of the things that I really wanted to make sure was that I didn't want them to tell anybody because I wasn't ready to say anything. And I and I said, I don't want you to tell people. Mom, don't because my mom will tell her sisters everything. Mom, I don't want you to tell anybody.

And my miss is actually her microphone she uses to tell the whole sam everybody.

Yeah, so and she was like no, no, no, I'm not going to say anything. And then I was like all right, and then my dad was very offended. Yeah, he was just like what do you mean? And then my mom went to go do something and I was like, Dad, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to mom. Oh, mummy, use something else. Yeah, because my mom can't she cannot keep It was like, oh yeah, he was like, oh for sure, for sure, you really needed to tell her that.

Thank you.

He was like, but it didn't matter because she told an told everybody anyway she did. I was really I had to track her down.

She was on vacationing the tea. Okay, okay, do you want to read this one from Natalie Castle. It's about Ted, your neighbor, neighbor. A lot of people messaged me about your neighbor Ted.

The best thing about it was that Katie sent us a text message. I'll share it with you guys if you want. And she was like, has Ted said fire to the rain lately? Dead? Okay? This is from Natalie Castle in ninety five. You're always having a bad fucking day. Ted is relatable in that regard.

For Ted. Okay. From the Alex Murder Murder Conviction Overturned episode, Cisco says, longtime, your first time commenter, Welcome to the DMS. To complicate things more, I have an internal monologue but can't visualize. It's called a fantasia, and when I close my eyes, it feels like talking to someone in a dark room.

Wow.

Oh that's so cool.

I got a lot of people who were upset with me when we were talking about the people who don't have an internal model, okay, and they wanted me to know that just because you don't have an internal monologue doesn't mean you have a moral compass. And I wasn't sure that's what I was saying. We were also processing in real time, correct, I was because it was hard to understand. I'm like, well, if you don't have an inner monologue, what's going on? So people were saying that they see images, they do other things, but they don't they're just not yapping to themselves all day like that.

I think that that is an inner monologue, right, maybe yeh, there's images in your head. I think it's like, it's kind of the same thing, take a nuanced kind of trum. I was concerned that people with no inner monologue but there's nothing going on, and I was wrong, And I'm sorry.

All right, we'll do a quick email question. I'll read number one. Sorry, Highbury Precess love your podcast. Last month, I was called for jury duty at the US District Court for Southern New York. I was not part of the jury, but did spend three days in the wider process involves a lot of waiting around, Yes, forced into a new form of existence without any electronic devices. I noticed that all the female attorneys, almost all of them wore heels. I assume most of these women have some comfortable sneakers stashed somewhere in the building, though I acknowledge they're wonderfully loud on those shiny marble floors. Anyway, I found myself wondering why so few female lawyers were in cute dress professional flats. Our female attorneys still expected to

wear high heels, and many work situations are flats quietly frowned upon.

That's a good question. That's a good question. I don't know.

I think that tell us about just like professional women attire, I meanspective.

I think it depends, and I think it depends on the environment that you're working in. Right. There are some work environments that are just casual, and then there are some that are not as much. So, if you work in a really corporate space, I can imagine that you have to get more dressed up. If you don't, then you don't. It's more like work casual. Right. Yeah, I also think, and I'm going to try and work this out, because I've talked about this with some friends, is that I find that as somebody who's an older person in the workplace and I look at my much younger colleagues and they are not dressed up right. They there were like, it's it's not that they look bad. They don't look bad.

My t shirt that says Daddy's little.

Meatball, right, yeah, it's so, it's and I think that I have been trained to look a certain way when I get to work, right, and it's and it's not good or bad, it's just but it is something that I've noticed, like I would never leave the house if my stuff wasn't ironed right, that's just right, ye. And I find that And this is something that I talked to with KP about all the time. I'm like, what are you doing?

My mom taught me how to iron, Like I had to iron my shirts for when I was a waiter for the legal profession. When we were in law school, women had to wear tights if they were going and they had like a meeting with all of us because the legal profession is still very conservative. Like when I was working for judges, internships, clerkships, whatever, you were not allowed to step foot in the courtroom if you were not wearing a tie in jacket. And that is still true today. I bring ties and jackets for clients if they don't have them. I don't think I've ever seen a lawyer not in a tie in jacket in a courtroom, and it's almost like going on stage in a costume.

So but I do remember we had like a it's called trial advocacy. It's basically where you learn how to do an opening statement in law school and you're all like practicing, and this like very southern Louisiana attorney. She came and was an older woman, and she basically explained to the whole class, ladies, you have to wear tights.

You cannot wear a skirt or a dress, doesn't matter how long it is, you must wear tights and heels. So I do think that there is a very conservative wardrobe that lawyers are wearing a because of the profession. Be we're trying to look neutral to a jury. Like I'm not wearing anything crazy. I'm just trying to dress nice and proper in court because for me, I'm like, this trial is not about me and my wardrobe. It's about just looking presentable. Like, I don't think I would wear this tie to court, Okay, I would wear like a navy suit. It was a really important here navy suit, more neutral tie.

Okay, Because I've seen you, yeah, go to court, come back from court, and I've seen what you're wearing, and you always look great. But I wonder what do you think the judges might think of the cut of the suit, because the cut of your suit's take like a little bit. Yeah, they're like not bagging right, and traditionally it's because it's like a traditional see, yeah.

There are different kinds of cuts. I wear like a soho fit.

Yeah, So do you think that that has an impact that people are looking at you and their disay.

They've never gotten any like feedback on But I think as long as your dressed like presentable for court is usually what I start it going for.

So to go back to what this person asked us, what do we think that courts might think about flat shoes? Flat shoes? And I also wonder what they would think about ultra high shoes like the super sexy stilettos, right, like is that fowned upon? Also, I don't know these are limitations that are placed on what right these are limitations that are placed on women.

There's an episode of Good Fight, Good Wife episode of the Good Wife where Alicia was wearing a pants suit not a skirt suit, and a judge said something to her. So I do think there are like instances where judges like, I can't imagine that was like just for TV. I'm sure that's happened in real life.

When you are in court and you are and there's an attorney who's a woman suit and heels. Is it a dress suit or is it pants suit?

Dress?

Always?

Oh, I'm like really focused not on outfits.

I understand. No, I understanding.

I would say for the most part, yes, okay, I don't recall a pants suit.

I'm going to ask because I have some women in my life. Yeah, our attorneys and I will ask Jim, let's ask. Let's circle back. It's interesting question. Actually, right, these are things because there could be a multitude of reasons why you prefer to wear flats.

Now I'm going to get in my head because I have a trial this week. Now, I'm like, what the hell am I gonna wear? This is pref recess. Thank you for watching. I'll see you in court, not me. This has been an Exactly Right production recorded at iHeart Studios, posted by me, Michael Foote.

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