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  1. Notes on China

    I’m so excited with how this visualization of Notes on China (https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/notes-on-china) turned out. Petr (https://www.petrsalaba.cz/), thank you for such beautiful watercolor artwork. More to come! Watch on YouTube (https:/

  2. Satya Nadella — Microsoft’s AGI plan & quantum breakthrough

    Satya Nadella on: Why he doesn’t believe in AGI but does believe in 10% economic growth; Microsoft’s new topological qubit breakthrough and gaming world models; Whether Office commoditizes LLMs or the other way around. Watch on Youtube (htt

  3. Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer — 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

    This week I welcome on the show two of the most important technologists ever, in any field. Jeff Dean is Google's Chief Scientist, and through 25 years at the company, has worked on basically the most transformative systems in modern comput

  4. Sarah Paine — How Mao conquered China (lecture & interview)

    Third and final episode in the Paine trilogy! Chinese history is full of warlords constantly challenging the capital. How could Mao not only stay in power for decades, but not even face any insurgency? And how did Mao go from military geniu

  5. Sarah Paine — Why Japan lost WWII (lecture & interview)

    This is the second episode in the trilogy of a lectures by Professor Sarah Paine of the Naval War College. In this second episode, Prof Paine dissects the ideas and economics behind Japanese imperialism before and during WWII. We get into t

  6. Sarah Paine — The war for India (lecture & interview)

    I’m thrilled to launch a new trilogy of double episodes: a lecture series by Professor Sarah Paine of the Naval War College, each followed by a deep Q&A. In this first episode, Prof Paine talks about key decisions by Khrushchev, Mao, Nehru,

  7. Tyler Cowen — The #1 bottleneck to AI progress is humans

    I interviewed Tyler Cowen at the Progress Conference 2024. As always, I had a blast. This is my fourth interview with him – and yet I’m always hearing new stuff. We talked about why he thinks AI won't drive explosive economic growth, the re

  8. Adam Brown — Bubble universes, space elevators, & AdS/CFT

    Adam Brown is a founder and lead of BlueShift with is cracking maths and reasoning at Google DeepMind and a theoretical physicist at Stanford. We discuss: destroying the light cone with vacuum decay, holographic principle, mining black hole

  9. Gwern — Anonymous writer who predicted AI trajectory on $12K/year salary

    Gwern is a pseudonymous researcher and writer. He was one of the first people to see LLM scaling coming. If you've read his blog (https://gwern.net/), you know he's one of the most interesting polymathic thinkers alive. In order to protect

  10. @Asianometry & Dylan Patel — How the semiconductor industry actually works

    A bonanza on the semiconductor industry and hardware scaling to AGI by the end of the decade. Dylan Patel runs Semianalysis (https://www.semianalysis.com/), the leading publication and research firm on AI hardware. Jon Y runs https://www.yo

  11. Daniel Yergin — Oil destroyed Hitler, fracking destroyed Putin

    Unless you understand the history of oil, you cannot understand the rise of America, WW1, WW2, secular stagnation, the Middle East, Ukraine, how Xi and Putin think, and basically anything else that's happened since 1860. It was a great hono

  12. David Reich — How one small tribe conquered the world 70,000 years ago

    I had no idea how wild human history was before chatting with the geneticist of ancient DNA David Reich (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/). Human history has been again and again a story of one group figuring ‘something’ out, and then basical

  13. Joe Carlsmith — Preventing an AI takeover

    Chatted with Joe Carlsmith about whether we can trust power/techno-capital, how to not end up like Stalin in our urge to control the future, gentleness towards the artificial Other, and much more. Check out Joe's sequence on Otherness and C

  14. Patrick McKenzie — Money laundering, big tech censorship, SBF & Japan

    I talked with Patrick McKenzie (known online as patio11) about how a small team he ran over a Discord server got vaccines into Americans' arms: A story of broken incentives, outrageous incompetence, and how a few individuals with high agenc

  15. Tony Blair — Why political leaders keep failing at major change

    I chatted with Tony Blair about: - What he learned from Lee Kuan Yew - Intelligence agencies track record on Iraq & Ukraine - What he tells the dozens of world leaders who come seek advice from him - How much of a PM’s time is actually spen

  16. Francois Chollet — Why the biggest AI models can't solve simple puzzles

    Here is my conversation with Francois Chollet and Mike Knoop on the $1 million ARC-AGI Prize they're launching today (https://arcprize.org/). I did a bunch of socratic grilling throughout, but Francois’s arguments about why LLMs won’t lead

  17. Leopold Aschenbrenner — 2027 AGI, China/US super-intelligence race, & the return of history

    Chatted with my friend Leopold Aschenbrenner (https://www.forourposterity.com/) on the trillion dollar nationalized cluster, CCP espionage at AI labs, how unhobblings and scaling can lead to 2027 AGI, dangers of outsourcing clusters to Midd

  18. John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) — Reasoning, RLHF, & plan for 2027 AGI

    Chatted with John Schulman (cofounded OpenAI and led ChatGPT creation) on how posttraining tames the shoggoth, and the nature of the progress to come... Watch on YouTube (https://youtu.be/Wo95ob_s_NI). Listen on Apple Podcasts (https://podc

  19. Mark Zuckerberg — Llama 3, $10B models, Caesar Augustus, & 1 GW datacenters

    Mark Zuckerberg on: - Llama 3 - open sourcing towards AGI - custom silicon, synthetic data, & energy constraints on scaling - Caesar Augustus, intelligence explosion, bioweapons, $10b models, & much more Enjoy! Watch on YouTube (https://you

  20. Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken — How LLMs actually think

    Had so much fun chatting with my good friends Trenton Bricken and Sholto Douglas on the podcast. No way to summarize it, except: This is the best context dump out there on how LLMs are trained, what capabilities they're likely to soon have,

  21. Demis Hassabis — Scaling, superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, AlphaFold

    Here is my episode with Demis Hassabis, CEO of Google DeepMind We discuss: * Why scaling is an artform * Adding search, planning, & AlphaZero type training atop LLMs * Making sure rogue nations can't steal weights * The right way to align s

  22. Patrick Collison — Why Silicon Valley's most talented should leave

    We discuss: * what it takes to process $1 trillion/year * how to build multi-decade APIs, companies, and relationships * what's next for Stripe (increasing the GDP of the internet is quite an open ended prompt, and the Collison brothers are

  23. Tyler Cowen — Hayek, Keynes, & Smith on AI, animal spirits, anarchy, & growth

    It was a great pleasure speaking with Tyler Cowen for the 3rd time. We discussed GOAT: Who is the Greatest Economist of all Time and Why Does it Matter?, especially in the context of how the insights of Hayek, Keynes, Smith, and other great

  24. Lessons from The Years of Lyndon Johnson by Robert Caro [Narration]

    This is a narration of my blog post, Lessons from The Years of Lyndon Johnson by Robert Caro (https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/lyndon-johnson). You read the full post here: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/lyndon-johnson Listen on Apple Podca

  25. Will scaling work? [Narration]

    This is a narration of my blog post, Will scaling work? (https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/will-scaling-work). You read the full post here: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/will-scaling-work Listen on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com

  26. Jung Chang (Wild Swans author) — Living through history's largest man-made famine

    A true honor to speak with Jung Chang. She is the author of Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China (https://www.amazon.com/Wild-Swans-Jung-Chang-audiobook/dp/B006LF2GDM) (sold 15+ million copies worldwide) and Mao: The Unknown Story (https://

  27. Andrew Roberts — Why Hitler lost WWII, Churchill as applied historian, & Napoleon as startup founder

    Andrew Roberts is the world's best biographer and one of the leading historians of our time. We discussed * Churchill the applied historian, * Napoleon the startup founder, * why Nazi ideology cost Hitler WW2, * drones, reconnaissance, and

  28. Dominic Cummings - COVID, Brexit, & Fixing Western Governance

    Here is my interview with Dominic Cummings on why Western governments are so dangerously broken, and how to fix them before an even more catastrophic crisis. Dominic was Chief Advisor to the Prime Minister during COVID, and before that, dir

  29. Paul Christiano — Preventing an AI takeover

    Paul Christiano is the world’s leading AI safety researcher. My full episode with him is out! We discuss: - Does he regret inventing RLHF, and is alignment necessarily dual-use? - Why he has relatively modest timelines (40% by 2040, 15% by

  30. Shane Legg (DeepMind Founder) — 2028 AGI, superhuman alignment, new architectures

    I had a lot of fun chatting with Shane Legg - Founder and Chief AGI Scientist, Google DeepMind! We discuss: * Why he expects AGI around 2028 * How to align superhuman models * What new architectures needed for AGI * Has Deepmind sped up cap

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