Fantasy Football Week 4 Lineup Advice: Start/Sit Debates, Waiver Adds & Touchdown Calls (Ep. 2232)

0:00 Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan Wormley, joined for our week four starts and sits show by Jake Seeley from The Athletic and by Pat Fitzmaurice. Guys, we're doing our starts and sits, like I just said. We're talking some popular waiver ads. Are we starting or sitting them? And we'll wrap things up, as always, with our touchdown calls. Jake, how are you doing here three weeks into the season?

0:21 Is that a lead into what I told you about before the show? It's like, I'm doing very well in the rankings so far, even though I know that they're not out there for the competition. But generally good, even though as bad as things have been. I know Fitz and I were joking about before. He's like, he doesn't want to give up Drake May.

0:36 Well, the same boat.

0:37 I don't want to give up Colston Loveland. Major miss on that this season. But like, do I still have hope for him? Yeah, but he's definitely not going to be top three like I had him to start the year.

0:47 It's still early enough that you're allowed to hold on to a bit of that hope, right? We get, we get two months in, we get to the end of October instead of the first day of October, then, you know, we might be kind of giving a rest by now.

0:57 He was blocking an almost 50% of the snaps pass downs last week. Like, like I know this is like, that's not where we were going with this, but it's looking fringe tight at this point.

1:09 Yeah. Fitz, how are you doing? Good.

1:12 Yeah.

1:12 While we're on the bears pass catchers, I think that was one of the, things that we have gotten swerved on this year, that we thought everything was going to be maybe consolidated nicely between Luther Bird and Roma Dunes, a Colston Loveland, and then maybe all three guys would be able to eat this season. And we're getting like an annoying number of Kalief Raymond, Zavian Thomas, Sam Roush, Cole Komet targets. So really like none of these guys popped.

1:41 Kalief Raymond has more catches and receiving yards than any, any of Odunze Burden and Colston Loveland.

1:47 That's pretty frustrating. Can I ask you this question?

1:50 And I, of course, chime in worm, but I've been saying yes to this one all week long in my comments. And people are like, would you take Khalif Raymond over Odunze at this point? And I've been saying yes.

2:01 It's the usage.

2:02 It's the, he's, here's the comparison I made, Fitz, the lesser version. He's their Parker Washington. Because he's the option when the offensive line's breaking down.

2:11 He's the option.

2:11 It doesn't matter who the quarterback is. They're looking for him in the intermediate short area of the field. When everything's breaking down, it's normally Burden first. But if it's not Burden, and that's why I say the lesser version, it's Ben Raymond.

2:25 I mean, it's fair.

2:26 And not to mention when you throw Roma Dunze a ball for a touchdown that an 11-year-old might be able to catch and he can't grasp it.

2:36 You don't like the self-tip drill?

2:38 Oh, my goodness.

2:40 Kalief Raven just, I don't know if you saw Fitz, in our guillotine league, the work guillotine league we're in, just got picked up finally. So it took three weeks and finally somebody said, you know what, I got to have this guy in an elimination type of league. So I stared at him a couple of those weeks and could not pull the trigger. Reminder for everybody that all of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros.com slash rankings. Let's jump into the popular waiver ads of the week, and if you guys are considering starting these folks right away. The biggest name, Ollie Gordon. Obviously, Devon A. Chan goes down for the season in Miami.

3:14 It makes sense that Gordon was a popular pickup. On the other hand, he is a non-elite running back playing for the worst team in football, and I can see this going very poorly for everybody who sort of emptied their piggy banks to go get Ollie Gordon this week. For this week, though, going up against Minnesota, Fitz, are you interested in starting Gordon?

3:32 It's such a tough matchup.

3:33 The Vikings have allowed the sixth fewest rushing yards to running backs, haven't given up a touchdown to a running back in their first three games. Dolphins are 11.5-point underdogs. It's just going against, with the Dolphins especially, going against this blitz-happy Brian Flores defense. It's going to be what it would look like if I played Madden on the highest difficulty setting, and I haven't played Madden since my son was in middle school like seven years ago. It's going to be so ugly. The status of Jalen Wright, I think, is the key. He's uncertain. Sounds like he has a decent chance of playing. He's got a stinger and a foot injury that kept him out of week three.

4:14 I think Ali Gordon might be flex-worthy if Wright misses this game, but Gordon is not a very attractive option if Jalen Wright does play.

4:23 Yeah, it's not just the defense against a tough matchup. It's the fact that Brian Flores will want to completely embarrass the Dolphins if he can. And has the means to do it with this defense going up against this offense. Very scary. He's ranked RB35, Jake. So kind of right in that borderline flex territory possible starter range based on the consensus. Yeah.

4:46 So there's something I forget if we talked about on the waiver show. I know you remind me of Fitz. But talking about the Flores defense of why it's so good in the first half of the season. It starts to get vulnerable and hit and taken advantage of in the second half of the season. And I did some research.

5:00 There's people smarter than myself like Emery Hunt.

5:02 Stuff like that.

5:03 But the real truth that they said is it's because offensive lines gelling with each other. Like even if you have carryover from last year, four of the five same guys, because it's very rare that you have five carryover again. It's just knowing when to pick up the blitz, who's got the assignments, who's not missing things. And once you're able to do that, and once you're in each other's minds, the Flores defense still good. It's just not this dominating. Well, we're in week four. We're talking about the Dolphins offensive line.

5:29 We're talking about the Dolphins offense. So I'm with Fitz in this. I'm very scared of it.

5:33 I have him in the 30s.

5:34 I have him around backups like Blake Corum and Kyle Menongai. That's the range that I have him in. And that's what I have Jalen Wright in the rankings as well. I actually am very much higher than everybody else in Jalen Wright because I'm in the 40s because this was somebody that was thought to be the backup before getting hurt.

5:50 And I think there's a chance that he might be the better running back or the most likely outcome I think just ends up being is this is the bad version of the Steelers backfield when both Steelers running backs are healthy is that It's going to be one or the other. You're not going to know most weeks. And for the Dolphins, most weeks are not going to be either, unfortunately.

6:07 So somebody might be desperate, but you're going to be in the 30s for me. And it sounds like Fitz is in the same boat.

6:13 You and I might have a mind meld on this because I have Ollie Gordon right now. I'm assuming Wright does play. I've got Gordon 34 right behind Menangai and Coram. And I've got Jalen Wright, wide receiver, running back 45.

6:26 I'm like barely higher on Wright. So yeah, we were on the same page.

6:29 Yeah. Wright's still down in the late 50s in consensus, obviously. Some uncertainty there. You guys are basically in line not only on Gordon with consensus, RB35, but Menungai and Corum are sandwiching him on either side. So they're all kind of right in that range together. Corum's behind him. Menungai is ahead. Another running back that was a very popular pickup this week, Braylon Allen. This one is, I'm guessing, going to be somebody you're more comfortable with just based on the matchup and There's a little bit more certainty here with the offense. He's up at RB 21 in consensus.

7:02 So ECR says like he's a definite start. I'm curious if you guys agree. I'll start with you on this one, Jake.

7:07 Yeah, I have him one spot actually in front of consensus at 20. I'm in front of David Montgomery in that split backfield against the Cowboys.

7:14 I have him in.

7:14 Front of, oof, can't believe we're doing this, but Marion Hampton going against the Seahawks. Like that's where we're at right now, mostly because I believe that the volume is going to be there. I believe that he's going to see 14 plus touches. I do think Isaiah Davis is going to be a factor. But just knowing that Braylon Allen is, and this is when I talk about waivers, we go back to that, and I included it in my article this week. I said, if you need somebody for this week only, or maybe this week and next week, because we don't know exactly how long Brees Hall is out.

7:41 But I would take Braylon Allen over both of those running backs. I would take him over both. A little sneak preview, because we're talking about one of them, but I think everybody's not surprised by this. both Saints options, because we know, we know that he's going to be, unless I'm going to say there is a non-zero chance.

7:55 Braylon Allen comes out five touches for eight yards and they're just like, ooh, maybe we get Isaiah Davis sprinkled in more. I think that's much less likely to happen than the Dolphins running backs to have huge days. So again, he's in the range. I would take him over the volume of Judkins. I know we're filming this before tonight against the Steelers. So I really believe the volume is going to be there and he's facing the Bears.

8:16 He had five touches for seven yards against the Packers. You say five for eight as a possibility.

8:22 I know there was something in there for my mind.

8:26 He did have one catch for eight yards in that game. So I guess total touches was more. But in terms of rushing the ball, he was a five for seven in that game. Fitz, where are you at on Braylon Allen here? Like I said, RB21 in consensus.

8:38 Right on consensus.

8:39 RB21.

8:39 RB21.

8:41 And I think the only wild card is how much the Jets play Isaiah Davis. But through three games, Davis has not played an offensive snap. Special teams only. And the matchup looks pretty good. The Bears haven't been quite as bad defensively as people expected them to be. And they did hold the Eagles to seven points last week.

8:57 But this is still not that good a defense. They're 28th in DVOA against the run, giving up 4.8 yards per carry to running backs. So like the matchup, and you've got to figure Braylon Allen has a good chance to get 15-plus touches.

9:11 One more waiver ad here at tight end, this time Kenyon Sadiq sticking with the Jets. He's ranked right at tight end 12 in ECR, ahead of names like Mark Andrews, Dalton Schultz, Colson Loveland, who we just talked about, and behind names like Fannin, Likely, and Tucker Kraft. Fitz, sticking with you. Kenyon Sadiq, where are you at on him for this week?

9:30 Yeah, I mean, he's borderline– tight end one. I've got him at tight end 13 right now, but I think the people who did make waiver claims on him this week, probably for a reason, they've probably got tight end issues. And in which case I think you do start them against a fairly generous Bears defense and Adnai Mitchell dealing with that gnarly finger injury, probably going to miss another game just based on.

9:56 How ugly it looked.

9:57 And I know Kenyon Sadiq has some sort of back issue, I believe they said, limited in practice Wednesday, but it sounds like he's going to play through it.

10:06 Jake?

10:06 Yeah, actually, I'm pissed on this. I'm at 13, but I think they could actually move up. I'm at 13 with Mitchell in my ranks, to give you an idea, just because I always go with the people who are like, well, where would they rank if they play? So I'd put them in and then take them out afterwards. So I would actually move Sadiq directly in front of him. I have Schultz going against the Cowboys, Isaiah Likely, and then Fannin at 10. I'd probably bump him up to a least likely spot. I'm not going to be able to move him ahead of Harold Fannin. Fannin is going to be stuck at 10 after tonight. So he'd be in that conversation. If you told me right now, No Adonai Mitchell, we might get that news this afternoon. We might get

10:43 practice reports. I would actually feel better than Sadiq over Fannin because he's such a matchup problem in how the Jets used him. This isn't like Loveland where like, okay, inline blocking or like Kyle Pitts where he doesn't know how to run routes. He's almost a masquerading wide receiver. So I would say that I'd put him at 10 if I knew there was no Adonai Mitchell.

11:04 Lots of agreement between you guys on the waiver ads. Let's get into our plant your flag segment. Uh, Fitz, who do you have for us? You're planting your flag for week four.

11:14 I am going to go with Michael Wilson, who is averaging 5.4 yards per target and 1.38 yards per route run. Those are not very inspiring numbers, but Michael Wilson has run routes on 95.2% of the Cardinals dropbacks. That's the second highest route participation rate in the league behind only Jamar Chase.

11:34 Wilson also is a 25.6% target share.

11:38 Which ranks 11th among wide receivers, according to Fantasy Points data, and a 42.6% air yard share, which also ranks 11th among receivers. Basically, Wilson is getting the same sort of spectacular usage he was getting last year while Marvin Harrison Jr.

11:53 Was out with an injury. Marvin Harrison Jr.

11:56 Not hurt this year, but he's been so bad, just a zombie running routes out there, that his target share under 7%. He is just a complete non-factor player. So Wilson's target outlook is great, and he gets to face a Giants defense that, as Jake has pointed out before on this show, has some pretty serious issues with coverage on the back end.

12:17 Yeah, Jake, for you, looking at this matchup, wide receiver 22 this week, too high, too low, or just right for Michael Wilson?

12:24 I have Michael Wilson. It's too high by one spot.

12:29 I'm one spot behind.

12:30 There's a sneak preview for a wide receiver later that I have in front of him that is behind him in consensus.

12:35 So there you go.

12:35 That's what it comes down to. But I'll just jump in. I'll save you the segue. Mine is Terry McLaurin. And it's not just coming off last week's game. I'm looking at the Colts. The Colts have been one of the most susceptible defenses to big plays. And this is, I know that we're waiting on the Jaden Daniels situation, whether or not he might play, but I would actually feel even a little bit better about Mariota because the passing game, we talked about this last week. I don't remember if we did on this show, but the passing game doesn't really take a hit. If anything, it's slightly up with Mariota, a quarterback versus Jaden Daniels, some bigger plays and everything like that. But it's almost net even really. It's just

13:10 that Jaden Daniels adds so much with his legs to this game and to this team. So, I'm looking at Terry McLaurin even coming off last week's game. I think that you're going to get another good one going against the Colts, mainly because of this matchup. Uh, I do think that Debo can do some damage to, or not. Yeah. Yeah.

13:24 Debo.

13:24 Right.

13:25 I'm a brain fart here.

13:25 Yeah.

13:26 No, not Debo. Who am I thinking of? Stefan, Stefan Diggs.

13:29 Thank you.

13:29 I just, I just, I just did a chat on the athletic and I don't know why I got like seven Debo questions. And then like, I couldn't get it out of my brain at the end of it. Cause somebody did that to me. They were like, well, what about the facing the, the, um, the Colts. And I'm like, wait, no, the wrong team. Anyway, so you can see that carried over.

13:47 So anyway, Stefan Diggs, I think is a fine play as well, but for the bigger play opportunities, mostly similar to the Cowboys, the Giants and other ones where you can get behind the secondary and get the big play. That's why I'm going with Terry McLaurin.

14:00 Fitz, where are you ranking McLaurin? He's wide receiver 27 in consensus.

14:04 I think I am right on consensus with McLaurin. Um, Yeah, 27. And I've got Diggs, I might be, am I a little high? I've got him 33.

14:17 He's 32 in consensus, so you're.

14:18 Actually one spot lower.

14:19 Yeah, so yeah, I have Diggs in the same range too. Here's the one, I'll flip one to Fitz on this one. Would you go Neighbors or Terry McLaurin this week? Oh.

14:32 I have neighbors ranked higher. I'm holding out hope that Jameis Winston, with a full week of preparation and not playing in a Nor'easter, might look a little bit more like the competent Jameis Winston of recent years.

14:48 Neighbors is actually back-to-back with Michael Wilson in the rankings. Yeah, he's wide receiver 23, one spot behind Wilson. Before we get to the next segment, I need to tell you about this new prediction market called PolyMarket. It's a stock exchange for sports. buying in and selling out on your terms.

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15:44 are just behind Braylon Allen in the consensus rankings in that kind of early 20s range, late RB2. David Montgomery, RB22. O'Marion Hampton, RB24 for what it's worth. So Jake, I'll start with you. Who do you prefer between these two?

16:00 It feels so disrespectful to put Hampton into this conversation. But at the same time, we're talking about a running back that's just coming off. 48% of his team's running backs touches. 48%. Last week alone, I mean, I know we're seeing this split with the Texans, and the split could get even worse according to the team. But he had 68%. And I'm not saying I continue to believe that that's going to stay at 68% and not come down to more like 50%. Hampton can't have a bounce back game, but this entire Chargers offense, I think if you watch that game, it felt a little bit like Mike McDaniel trying to figure out his own offense. Like, all right, things aren't working. Maybe we try a little bit more Mitchell. The worst part about it was trying

16:39 a little bit more Mitchell in the red zone. And so I set all that up to say, I have Montgomery one spot in front of a Marion Hampton, and I can't believe that's where we're at. Yeah.

16:50 Yeah, Montgomery obviously has had the one really good game based on the touchdowns and then has really done nothing outside of that. Fitz, how are you ranking these two?

17:00 Yeah, I don't envy the 1-2 or 0-3 fantasy teams that have to make this decision, but I know Hampton has been the more glaring disappointment so far, but Montgomery has been kind of a less heralded flop himself. Had those two touchdowns in Week 1, but then six carries for 11 yards against the Texans in Week 2. Week 3, 11 carries for 33 yards against a really bad Colts run defense. He's averaging 2.8 yards per carry. And weirdly, Montgomery has seven catches so far, while Hampton has two, and we were excited about what Hampton might be able to do in the Mike McDaniel offense. as a pass catcher, and that just has not come to fruition this year.

17:45 So Hampton, definitely the tougher matchup against Seattle, but I feel more confident about his role.

17:51 He's got 50 carries.

17:52 I think that's the 11th most among running backs, and I hate that he only has three targets and two catches, but maybe they get Hampton a little more involved in the passing game this week against a Seattle defense that does give up some receiving production to running backs. And Keaton Mitchell was reportedly in a walking boot earlier this week, That would seem to not bode well for his availability, and if he's out, then I'm just going to lean into the volume with Hampton, whereas Montgomery is kind of in more of a backfield split than we would have thought coming into the season with Woody Marks.

18:26 I also think, yes, Hampton has the tougher matchup, but the Cowboys, I thought they did a good job on Derrick Henry. I know he scored two touchdowns in the game in Brazil, but He had 26 carries and only 89 yards on all that work. And he did get stuffed a couple of times at the goal line. And the Cowboys secondary is so banged up that I know the Texans maybe aren't well-equipped to take advantage of that, but you would think any offense going into a matchup with Dallas right now would want to throw a ton given how banged up the defensive backfield is. So I feel like just as a straight-up matchup, I know people see the Cowboys and think, oh, that's a really easy matchup.

19:05 I'm not sure if it's that like prime of a running back matchup right now, especially for somebody who hasn't been taking advantage of their easier matchups in Montgomery. So that's kind of in the back of my mind when I'm thinking about this too.

19:16 I will say this. So for your point, Fitz, he was 11th, 50 carries is 11th. Aaron Jones already jumped all the way up to ninth was a shocking 52 carries. It helps when you get 21 in the game or whatever it was. But the one thing I'll say, yeah, the Mitchell thing, I want to agree. Mitchell, if out. But when I said that report yesterday, they said he's not on the injury report, even though he had the boot on. So that was a weird one. I'm glad you brought that up. If there is no Mitchell, I would easily, I'd probably move up Hampton a few spots.

19:46 like i just i think the biggest thing is what you said at the beginning fence i don't want to have to make this decision i don't i don't want to be in this boat because this is gross yes it.

19:55 Is are you guys agreeing with consensus that you would start braylon allen over both of these options yes okay yeah like i said that's how consensus has it um and uh and you guys agree Let's go to another running back debate here. How about the guy that just faced the Seahawks defense, Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt versus J.K. Dobbins? Who would you guys prefer between Krosky-Merritt and Dobbins? Fitz, I'll start with you on this one.

20:17 Oh, Worm, you keep throwing these unappealing running back dilemmas at us. I know the Commanders running game has been largely ineffective this year. Krosky-Merritt averaging three yards a carry. None of his 47 carries has gone for more than 11 yards. Also kind of a zero in the passing game. He has three catches for five yards. I think the commanders have already ruled out guard Sam Cosme for this game, so they're not entirely whole on the offensive line.

20:45 But the Colts' run defense is really bad.

20:49 Indy has given up the sixth most rushing yards to running backs, opposing running backs averaging 4.8 yards per carry. They rank 30th in DVOA against the run. They've given up four touchdown runs to running backs. On the other end, you've got Dobbins with 3.5 yards per carry, has not had a 50-yard rushing day yet. He is minus 22.6 rushing yards over expected, so he has not been a very efficient runner. He played four fewer snaps than R.J.

21:19 Harvey last week, and Dobbins is even more of a zero on the passing game than Krosky Merritt is. He had his first catch of the season last week and went for four yards. And by the way, do you guys remember when the Broncos signed Jalen Waddell and we were all excited about the Denver offense and how fun it might be? The Denver offense is about as much fun as a dentist's convention.

21:41 We're going to get to that one, Fitz. We're going to get to the one.

21:44 And it has been pointed out to me that Sean Payton's offenses are typically slow starting and then they start to fire up in October.

21:52 We'll see. Because right now they are averaging....

21:57 Five yards per play. They are behind the Dolphins and the Jets in yards per play right now.

22:03 Do you think that we are at all close to Sean Payton taking over play calling duties again? Or do you feel like, you know, because they did pull out the win against the Rams, that sort of, you know, is buying Davis Webb more time despite the offense not being very fun?

22:19 Yeah, I mean, it wasn't the offense that beat the Rams. It was defense and special teams. So, yeah, I would not be surprised if Sean Payton grabbed a play sheet back at some point.

22:29 Well, I'm sorry if it's to be giving you these gross options, but these guys are ranked in the mid-20s in ECR. People do have to— they' re kind of forced to start one of these guys and have to make this decision in some ways, I'm sure.

22:41 And for the record, I am taking Ja'Cory Kroski-Merritt here. I don't know if I actually said that.

22:46 He is a couple spots higher in consensus for what it's worth. Again, they're both in that mid-20s range. Jake, who do you prefer between these two?

22:53 Yeah, so this comes down to initially I had him slightly behind Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt, but that's going to probably change with Rashad White now sounding like he's not going to play. We just got something before we came on that sounds like he's not practicing. He's going to stay out. Part of the reason they signed Austin Eckler.

23:09 Yeah.

23:10 Everything Fitz said is right, but he also, he had that, what was it? 40 something yard play called back. So he could have had, could have finally had the big run for the touchdown, I guess the Seahawks. And that was early on in the game. That wasn't even like garbage time or anything like that, or when they were trying to come back. So like, I see all the, I'm saying that to say, I see all the arguments for Kraskemer is that I had them almost back to back, but this will change with the Rashad White thing, because I think that J.K. Dobbins is a fine running back three.

23:39 I do think there's going to be better And I kind of like at the play call, call me back because like, and I'm not saying that Fisk wasn't saying this, like, or whatever, like, let's be honest, like the offense still is designed and run through Sean Payton. He's just not calling the plays. Like, so it's game day, not calling the plays. There's still the sheet of what they plan for the game. They're in the same room. They're making all the same plans. It's just, he's not the one that, so what it comes down to, in my opinion, is kind of probably like the same situation that we saw for the Lions last year with Morton. is it, I think it could happen. I think it's going to be several more weeks before if it does happen. And the

24:12 fact is what the offensive coordinator calling the plays is the in-game adjustments. And I think that's been the biggest issue for the Broncos is they're not making the in-game adjustments to change like what they're facing or exploit their coverages or their run game or whatever it might be. And I think that's where Webb is lacking right now in the experience. So I don't know if Peyton Cole like pulls the trigger, I'd probably say week eight, nine, it would have to continue to be like this, like the Morton situation for the Lions last year, just to tie that in. But so, yes, I am. I wasn't originally, but now I am in agreement with this Rashad White news and agreement with Fitz.

24:45 On the Colts run defense matchup quickly, Jake, you know, their first two games were against Derrick Henry and Kenneth Walker. A lot of run defenses are going to struggle against those guys. And their third game was against David Montgomery. A lot of run defenses are going to look pretty good against the him. So at least based on what we've seen so far. So where do you kind of square the Colts run defense right now? Do you think it's more like what we saw in those first two weeks?

25:09 Or was that more matchup driven and the running backs they're facing and maybe they're a little bit better than the stats would say?

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25:20 Adjusted points allowed as I have over the athletic and adjust for that. It's like trying to say, OK, well, if you face Derrick Henry 17 games or you face Olly Gordon for 17 games, guess what? You're probably going to give up more points when you face Derrick Henry for 17 games. So all that being said, Washington in this matchup checks out as the 14th best. They're dead middle of the pack for the Colts. The Colts are in the range of the Jaguars, the Bengals, and the 49ers for tough matchups, but they're mid-pack, as in they don't really skew either direction because of what you just said.

25:49 You went from, of course you're not supposed to play very well against these running backs, to, yeah, that wasn't very much of a tough call. So they're kind of mid of the pack right now. I'm not saying that's stone cold guaranteed, but To give you an example, like the adjusted fantasy points allowed that I have is 20.2 a game for the Colts. For comparison's sake, the number one, the Packers, Fitz's Packers, 30.8 to kind of give you an idea of like how bad it can get.

26:12 Yeah.

26:14 Well, speaking of the Packers, let's get to our wide receiver debate here. Actually, T. Higgins versus Matthew Golden. Both of these guys are ranked in consensus in sort of that mid wide receiver two range. There are a couple of wide receiver twos on their own team. Fitz, I'll start with you as the Packers fan here. Do you like Matthew Golden ahead of Tee Higgins, or are you going with the Bengal?

26:32 I'm going with the Bengal, Tee Higgins.

26:34 I have more faith in the Bengals' offensive infrastructure, which is kind of a fancy way of saying that the Packers' offensive line is abysmal. They are going to get blitzed like crazy this week. by Todd Bowles and the Buccaneers, who always blitz a lot to begin with, and they are going to pick on this weakness that the Packers have.

26:54 And I mean, that.

26:56 Could lead to a big day for either Christian Watson or Matthew Golden. Like when you blitz that many, not that many people in the back end to tackle pass catchers if they're able to catch the ball. And Matthew Golden and Christian Watson both blazing fast. So there's big play potential here for Golden for sure. But there's also the potential for the offensive line to just get overrun for the Packers passing game to be completely dysfunctional. And Matthew Golden have like two catches for 18 yards. So I'm just going to go with Higgins. I know the Bengals passing game hasn't fully kicked into gear yet, but we know what it's capable of.

27:36 So where do you guys where do you have them actually ranked these two? How wide is the gap between them?

27:41 Not very wide.

27:42 I'm a little behind consensus on Golden. I think I've got him at wide receiver 20, and I've got T. Higgins at wide receiver 17.

27:49 Okay, so you're actually behind consensus on both. Higgins is 15 in consensus, and Golden's 18. So just a couple spots lower for both of those. Jake, where are you at on this one? Higgins or Golden?

27:59 Yeah, I hope this doubly stabs the knife in the side of Fitz, because I'm going with Golden, but also to pain him to see his Packers wide receiver potentially be the right call here.

28:08 I just.

28:09 I want to needle you, man. The list of wide receivers with more targets than Matthew Golden, big breath. A lot of AJSN, Amara St. Brown, Michael Wilson, I'm done. I didn't need a big breath. That's it. The end. And that's really what it comes down. He's already got 30 targets through three games. And now he's only caught 50% of them. Let me make that clear. But the thing is, everything Fitz said is actually why I'm going with Golden is because you don't have the time to go to Christian Watson as much. Jordan Love has been treating Matthew Golden like to go back to the Parker Washington and to Kalief Raymond. He's his go-to if I don't have time.

28:44 And again, I want to see a higher reception rate, but that's where I really think it comes down to is Golden is doing everything we thought he could out of Texas is getting his speed up to free himself quickly. And that's what I like. So I actually think because of the Buccaneers game plan and the issues for the Packers, that you're just going to see potentially 10 targets in this game again. And that's why I'm going Golden. I'm with him. There's not a huge gap. I still have T.

29:09 Higgins inside my top 20, but I have Golden up at 16.

29:13 Where is he rest of season for you, Jake, by the way, Matthew Golden?

29:17 I got that question in the chat too. I would treat him as a mid-low wide receiver too. I think he is now in the conversation of, We're having this conversation with Tee Higgins, and it's coming from somebody that spent the preseason to be like, Tee Higgins never gets respect, never gets respect, never gets respect. But the fact that now he's in the conversation, in my opinion, I think he's now in the conversation of Devante Adams with Nakua because that's going to decrease his target volume. But Golden's in the conversation of Adams, DJ Moore, Tee Higgins, Michael Wilson.

29:50 You're talking top 20-ish wide receiver, and I think he deserves to be in that conversation.

29:56 Fitz, does that sound about right to you?

29:58 I've got him a little lower at wide receiver 25. I might be clinging to my priors too much here, but I've got him more down with guys like Jalen Waddell, Ladd McConkie, guys with some better body of work, bodies of work throughout their career, but guys who are not necessarily clicking just yet.

30:17 Well, speaking of Jalen Waddell, he is a part of our next debate here. DJ Moore or Jalen Waddell, who do you prefer? Jake, I'll start with you on this one. Waddell or Moore?

30:27 I had Moore in front of him, and that's even before hearing about the Christian Gonzalez news that he might be missing this game. So I'm going with DJ Moore. I don't think he was 100% in that game and still played through it and could have had a bigger day. I actually thought he was going to get knocked out on that one play. I'm like, here we go again.

30:41 DJ Moore is done for another two weeks. But I'm going to continue to roll with DJ Moore, and this is something I talked about on my podcast, The Ellen Speed Run, and I had Rich Rebar on this week. And I was talking about– and I went back and watched the three games for the Broncos to say, like, what's going on with Jalen Waddell? Because– We told everybody to keep the faith in week one and everybody was rewarded in week two. And then boom, fell apart in his face again in week three. And the thing I'm watching with Jalen Waddell, and this is not a slight, and I know people are going to come for me on this, but like, like make this clear. Jalen Waddell, the comparison I made was that like old Anquan Boldin

31:15 or current George Pickens or whatever. And I'm not talking stylistically. I'm just saying they're great one B's. They need somebody who's of their level or higher across from them. Because when they're asked to be the one as in the defensive attention one, they're just not made for it completely. And I think that if Waddell was guaranteed the volume, potentially on a different team, then it would be a factor.

31:40 But the Peyton offense doesn't require you to hammer it down the throat of somebody who's getting that attention. And that's the issue here. You watch the first game, the second game, the third game. What's the commonality between the first and third game? The defense is focused a lot on Jalen Waddell. And I think that's the issue I have.

31:55 And that's my concern for this week is that if you look at the 49ers, they can wipe them off the map. They could just say goodbye. You're not relevant for this game. And Bo Nix is going to go to Pat Bryant, to the backfield, to the other options, because that's what this offense does. So again, it's not a slight on Jalen Waddell. It's just this is my concern for him this year now going forward is that he's going to be somewhat matchup dependent if the defense is able to take him away.

32:20 Waddle is five spots ahead of Moore in consensus. Fitz, are you more aligned with consensus or with what Jake is saying here?

32:27 Yeah, I mean, a lot of what Jake said made sense, especially the Waddle theory.

32:33 And I kind of buy that.

32:34 And what I've been wondering about the Broncos, getting back to my complaint about them being boring earlier, if Teams are taking out Waddle. Why is Cortland Sutton not killing people? Why is Pat Bryant not doing more? And Bryant's been okay, but those guys should be crushing it if teams are trying to take away Waddle.

32:54 I was just going to say, I think I know what Jake is going to point to here.

32:58 Yeah.

32:59 So for now, I'm going with Waddle, hoping it's the every other week theory on him that, you know, after the eight catch, 138-yard game in week two, and then the quiet week three, maybe he's due for a big game. But I would have to reassess this and pivot to DJ Moore. If Christian Gonzalez doesn't play for the Patriots, Jake mentioned this, Gonzalez has a shoulder injury, didn't practice Wednesday.

33:21 Moore is lined up outside on about 70% of his snaps, and you have to figure that he would most likely draw coverage from Gonzalez whenever he lines up outside.

33:30 Yeah, DJ Moore getting 10 targets in that game coming in with the shoulder questionable injury stuff I thought was really just generally encouraging. Rest of season on DJ Moore fits. Where is he for you? Because I'm pretty bullish on him going forward.

33:47 Yeah, rest of season I have DJ Moore... Sorry, I was not on that page right now. Just looking at it, it looks like I've got him 20.

33:57 Yeah, I think that sounds all right. And by the way, not that you really want to play this game with everybody, but just for fun, Fantasy Championship week, DJ Moore gets the Dolphins. So that's a pretty good one for thinking. And it's in Miami too, so they hopefully wouldn't have Buffalo weather there for week 17. So yeah, I think that was pretty good. Where are you at, Jake, rest of the season on DJ Moore?

34:20 In the same conversation, the names I was bringing up with Golden, but I would take him over all of them if I knew he was 100%. I was very, you said bullish. I had DJ Moore, I think, at wide receiver 16-ish going into the season. Because I went back to the fact that he was a wide receiver one with Justin Fields and Tyson Badgen. So on the bills, I was very much in on DJ Moore. Maybe wide receiver 18.

34:41 Fitz, I want to take a second here before we get to the next segment to talk about Fabletics. Fitz, what kind of shopper are you?

34:49 A very lazy shopper worm, which is why I appreciate how easy Fabletics makes it to buy clothing because I do not like to spend a lot of time looking at clothing.

35:00 Not just easy to buy it, but easy to kind of put together a complete outfit really, which is something that I have struggled with and I've had many friends in my life sort of yell at me about not– I should be doing a better job of. making these nice outfits and everything. Fabletics made it really easy. We both put in some orders for clothes recently, and I was really impressed by the whole ordering process, frankly. I'm very similar to you. They put the right two people on this show to talk about this. I am also quite a lazy shopper. I'm really excited about some of the items we got. It was really cool to me that you can get this really convenient access to activewear, golf apparel I know is going to be big for you, loungewear.

35:38 It's all sorts of across the spectrum. As somebody who works from home, I love having very comfortable sort of loungewear, that athleisure type style that I can still leave the house with and go run errands. And I felt like there were just all these different options. They also have like really nice, you know, quarter zip sweaters, which I wear all the time. And when I'm going out of the house for, you know, nicer events, I just was really impressed with the options they had fits.

35:59 Yeah.

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37:25 that's fabletics.com slash fantasypros for 70% to 80% off everything as a new VIP. All right, guys, let's get into our more rapid-fire start-sit decisions here. Another running back one for you, Alvin Kamara versus Jadarian Price. Jake, who do you prefer between these two?

37:42 Here. I'm going to get a sad face. My flag plant just burned, blew up, whatever you want to call it. It's toasted. That did not work for Jadarian Price last week.

37:56 And it was as bad.

37:57 Like two things, definitely not 100%. Backfield is a committee. And the commanders run defense, give them more respect than I was giving them. And the Seahawks didn't do what they– so like every metric, actually, if you go back and look at it, like I think there was the Seahawks. I saw somebody tweet it out on Sunday. Like it was one of the craziest, like all these metrics, like a team with like four or five of these things happening in a game have never lost. Like they should have won the game, like if you looked on paper, which is why you play.

38:22 On the field.

38:23 So all that being said– yeah, this feels like you did this on purpose right out of the gate. The price call was a big whiff by me last week. Major, major big whiff.

38:33 And I am going with Camara.

38:35 I think that Camara over price is the better call, even though I do think Kendrick Miller, Fitz and I talked about it on the waiver show. I think Kendrick Miller is a factor to potentially take the lead and make this potentially a 50-50 split. That being said, this is a committee backfield that is just This much, one step ahead of what is going on with the Packers committee backfield right now, which means I just don't want a part of it.

39:00 They are back-to-back in consensus fits, 30 and 31 amongst running backs. Who do you like better?

39:06 I have Judarian Price ranked one spot ahead of Kamara, but I'm definitely worried about Price because it seemed like he got thrown into fumble jail last week. Fumbled for a second straight game, wound up getting only five carries, played fewer snaps than both Emmanuel Wilson and George Helani. Kamara, on the other hand, I mean, he's 31, might be completely cooked. Over 13 games since the start of 2025, Kamara's averaged 3.5 yards per carry, and even more alarming, 5.1 yards per catch, which is three yards below his career average yards per catch. But obviously, Kamara's going to play an enhanced role against the Falcons on Sunday night because Travis Etienne is out. It's going to be some combination of Kamara and Kendra Miller, who Jake mentioned. But

39:55 the Falcons have been kind of a nightmare matchup for running backs. They've given up the fewest rushing yards to running backs, the fewest rushing attempts to running backs. And Falcons have just been a total pass funnel. But passes against the Falcons aren't going to running backs either. They've allowed the sixth fewest receiving yards to RBs. So I'll Ultimately, I guess I would rather bet on Price getting out of fumble jail. Maybe Jake can bake Jadarian Price a cake with a file in it. But it is terrifying knowing that if Price puts the ball on the ground again, he is probably not getting back in the game.

40:29 Can I throw you one more stat, Fitz? See if maybe I can get you to come to my side and make me feel better about not liking Price anymore. There are two running backs, two, in the NFL that have over 20 touches with zero on third down. Marshawn Lloyd and Jadarian Price. Wow.

40:47 Man. Mike McDonald from the Harbaugh coaching tree, both brothers in the Harbaugh coaching tree, they have been not hesitant about putting players in the doghouse for fumbles in the past. So if he's learning from them, that is definitely a concern, Fitz.

41:05 Yeah.

41:06 Let's do a wide receiver one. How about Ladd McConkie versus Michael Wilson? I put this in before you had picked Wilson as your flag plant fits, so I'm assuming I know what direction you're going here. I'll start with you.

41:18 Yeah, it's Wilson.

41:19 I mean, Ladd's probably going to be starting for the people who have him, but Seattle's obviously a tough matchup, and Ladd hasn't really gotten it going yet.

41:28 He is wide receiver 26, for what it's worth. So he is behind Wilson in consensus. Jake, where are you at on these two?

41:33 I'm in agreement. I have Michael Wilson higher. The secondary is a much better matchup, including the fact that the Seahawks also do a good job to slot over the middle wide receivers. So this is just... I have McConkie at 29, and I don't even feel great about it.

41:49 Where are you ranking McConkie, Fitz?

41:51 I'm right on consensus, 26.

41:53 With consensus, okay. Let's do some flex start to decisions here. How about Jordan Addison coming off of a nice game with Kyler Murray versus Travion Henderson? Fitz, who do you prefer?

42:04 I'm going to take Addison if Justin Jefferson doesn't play, and I'm kind of assuming that he won't. But if Jefferson does play, I would probably.

42:12 Pivot to Travion.

42:13 Is it contingent for you too, Jake, or do you just have a preference here?

42:16 I was going to say just– I know it's video, but copy, paste, answer, and move on. That's exactly what my response was going to be.

42:26 Make it easy. We'll go to the next one here. How about Stefan Diggs, Jake, who you mentioned earlier, versus Tony Pollard? Who do you prefer?

42:33 At this another injury related here is that we see the titans doing weird things and signing even though that singleton was talked about being used last week which makes it seem like maybe tajay spears is more banged up than we think he is or this would be an issue because it doesn't seem like it's pollard as of right now with the signing but if there is no spears i lean slightly to pollard that's that's the fact that like if spears is out there or we hear that like everything looks great for the other options and singleton's going to be involved and now pollard's still not going to see much more usage I would actually still go Stefan Diggs. I think this is a matchup that Mariota can take advantage of even overseas. But all that

43:08 being said, Pollard's the floor. He's definitively the floor if there's no Spears, too.

43:15 What do you think, Fitz?

43:16 Yeah, I'm torn on this one.

43:20 I'm going to lean into the touch volume with Tony Pollard, who's had 31 carries and five catches over the last two weeks, so 18 touches a game. But I think he's banged up, too. I forget what his injury is, but yeah, like the Titans running backs really better. Not as banged up as Spears, who mercifully got me two yards last week in a game where I beat Scott Bogman by one point and was forced to start Tajay Spears.

43:44 Don't ask. It's a, it's an ankle. Ankle?

43:49 Yeah.

43:50 So that's the thing.

43:51 I mean, I would want a little more information on Pollard before I start him over Diggs, who's a pretty appealing play against the a Colts defense that really struggles against slot receivers. So Diggs has been lining up on the slot and nearly two thirds of his snaps this season.

44:09 So it's a nice matchup for him.

44:12 Again, I think I'm going for the touch volume with Pollard, but this one is really close.

44:17 Yeah. Um, let's go to another flex. How about Cardinal Tate versus Kyle Menungai Fitz?

44:24 I would just much rather bet on the Chicago Bears running game than on the Tennessee Titans passing game.

44:30 So give me Mnangai.

44:32 Jake?

44:33 I could not agree more. I thought– I was shocked by this. Apparently, I'm 14 behind consensus by having Cardinal Tate at wide receiver 51. How is he inside the top 40? I don't understand this. If anything– The matchup points to maybe Wanda Robinson being the option, given what you can do against the Ravens. That's about the only thing, similar to the Eagles. There is no way on earth watching this team. Hopefully this is the week where we look stupid, maybe.

45:00 But I don't know.

45:02 How you watch the Titans for the first three weeks and say, yeah, I want to start Cardinal Tate. Cam Ward had. The rain and the wind weren't even that much of a factor in the second half of that game. Cardinal Tate had a wide-open pass that never came his way, or never even got close to him. A wide-open situation where he didn't even get seen by Cam Ward, and then he missed the touchdown on top of it. I mean, Cam Ward looks awful.

45:27 Cardinal Tate is one spot ahead of Denzel Boston, who we talked about last week, and that surprised me.

45:32 I don't want to know Robinson in front of Cardinal Tate in this matchup.

45:36 Oh, yeah.

45:37 Yeah, Wandale is, I think, wide receiver 43.

45:39 I would start a healthy Chris Godwin with Jalen Daniels before I start Colonel Tate.

45:45 I can't go that far.

45:47 Pitts can't quite endorse that one.

45:48 But Jake is ranking shaming me.

45:50 I'm looking at the rankings, and I do have Tate inside my top 40, and I'm like, yeah, Jake is right.

45:56 That's wrong.

45:58 One more flex here. Looking further down in the rankings for those in deeper leagues. Trey Tucker or R.J. Harvey, Jake? R.J.

46:04 Harvey.

46:06 Fitz brought it up earlier with the concerns of J.K. Dobbins and it's at least a 50-50 and if the 49ers keep clicking even against the Broncos defense still one of the most efficient and now we're seeing Brock Purdy get MVP conversations deservedly so and I know on a different team he probably is not Brock Purdy it doesn't matter because he plays for the 49ers and this offense continues to click they're going to have to pass a little bit more Fitz brought it up earlier J.K. Dobbins not the pass catching running back so I'm going with R.J.

46:33 Harvey mostly because We've done this dance with Trey Tucker for the past two years.

46:38 He shows up.

46:39 We probably still need to wait three more weeks before he does it again.

46:43 Fitz?

46:44 I'm doing the tango with Trey Tucker.

46:46 Oh, my gosh.

46:46 Sorry.

46:48 He is quietly wide receiver, 24 in fantasy scoring, averaging 63 yards a game. He's been really efficient, 12.6 yards per target, 2.52 yards per route run. And I think the return of Brock Bowers probably helps Trey Tucker. Because powers is always going to be the focal point of defensive attention. I just, I'm standing by my priors and saying that RJ Harvey just isn't good.

47:10 Yeah, but 27, 100 and something and 40-ish, like it's basically been one game for Tucker, just to push back.

47:19 It's 27, 119, and 43 are the three yardage totals for him. Fitz, where is Tucker ranked amongst receivers for you? I know this is a flex question, but he's wide receiver 45 in consensus. Are you higher?

47:31 I am definitely higher. I've got him 37. Oh, okay.

47:36 Ahead of Carnell Tate?

47:38 I do have him ahead of Carnell Tate, yes.

47:40 Okay.

47:42 Let's do a quarterback one here, Fitz. Bryce Young or Kyler Murray? Who would you rather start this week?

47:48 I'm going with Bryce.

47:49 The Lions have given up 979 passing yards, which is more than 100 more than the next worst pass defense, the Commanders. That works out to 326 passing yards per game. The lines have given up nine touchdown passes. I do have some concerns, though, about the Panthers' offensive line, which was kind of beaten up a little bit by the Cleveland Browns' pass rush last week. Guard Damian Lewis out with an elbow injury. Rookie right tackle Monroe Freeling has a concussion, probably isn't going to play. So that is what could maybe short-circuit Bryce Young from having.

48:25 A good game. But, man, like.

48:28 I don't really want to bet on Kyler Murray. And I know, goodness knows, I know how bad the Miami secondary is. But Kyler has not looked that sharp. He's not in all likelihood going to have Justin Jefferson. I just don't really want to bet on him right now.

48:45 Yeah, Jake, these are two friendly matchups these quarterbacks are looking at in terms of the defenses they're growing up against. Bryce Young is ranked two spots higher in ECR. Who are you ranking higher between Bryce Young and Kyler Murray?

48:56 100% contingent that Bryce Young gets through practice 100%. He went to the tent, what, three times, four times in that game? And I joked about it, but maybe it was just a stomach bug situation or maybe it was dehydration, whatever. We don't know what the situation was, but multiple trips to the tent and likely no Jalen Coker. If he practices in full even without Jalen Coker, I agree. It's Bryce Young, definitely. I'm pleased in this matchup, but I just want to make sure that he's 100%. That's the only reason I would go the other direction on this is that just if he's playing through this game hurt.

49:32 One more at tight end, Mark Andrews versus Dalton Schultz. Jake, I'll start with you here. Who do you rank higher?

49:39 Let it go. Let it go.

49:42 Just bury your Mark Andrews.

49:44 Let it go, dude. Let it go.

49:46 Your Ravens are not good when it comes to Mark Andrews. He has touched down our boss.

49:49 I agree.

49:50 That's it. I don't even think he has.

49:53 Six points in a game yet this year because he hasn't found the end zone. And maybe it happens against the Titans, which you know what's going to happen. Not only do I say let it go and I told everybody to drop him last week and again this week. I'm like, drop him, drop him, drop him, drop him, drop him. Didn't even do it against the Cowboys. Everybody's going to drop him. Two touchdowns this week. Let's go.

50:12 For the record, he does have over six points in half PPR score. He does not in standard.

50:17 Does he have over seven?

50:19 He does. 7.9 because he had six catches against the Saints for 49 yards. So 7.9 half PPR fantasy points is his high on the season. In that one. No, I actually agree with you on Andrews, but he's ranked ahead of Schultz. That's why I wanted to include him.

50:36 Really?

50:37 I'm surprised that he's still ranked as an almost tight end one. In consensus, he's tight end 13. Schultz is tight end 14.

50:41 See, maybe this is why I'm killing the tight end rankings because I keep ranking Mark Andrews as like 17, 18, 19. It's all Mark Andrews. I can still get Colston Loveland wrong as long as I'm getting Mark Andrews right.

50:53 Fitz, who do you prefer here?

50:55 Well, I am contributing to this in ECR because I would go with Mark Andrews. Um, look, he hasn't scored a touchdown yet. We know that hasn't had a big game yet, but Andrew's quietly on a pace for a 74 catch season. And you want to talk about Trey Tucker getting carried by one big game so far. Dalton Schultz had that 12 catch 140 yard game against the Bengals in week two. And we know the Bengals always get completely smacked around by tight ends. Schultz has not really done much of anything in his other two games.

51:24 And Nico Collins has been out for the Texans. He is expected back this week, so Schultz is probably just going to fade back into the woodwork.

51:31 I was more interested in Andrews when Zay was out, now that he's back, even in a somewhat limited capacity. Like, Lamar just looks to Zay every single time.

51:39 Yeah, that 7.9 game was in that game, though, wasn't it? That was like his ceiling.

51:45 Zay's usage numbers, like his target share and his, I mean, he's averaging like nine yards per route run or something like that.

51:53 We talked about this on the tailgate on Monday. I like sort of tested Debro and Erickson. Like, who do you think, you know, where do you think Zay is ranked in yards per route run? And like, you know, where, what is his actual number? And they're like, oh, he's got to be at like, you know, four and a half, maybe five, right? He's been ridiculous. And I was like, it's actually nine. It's 9.36.

52:11 He's like almost doubling Zay.

52:14 He's like doubling second place, which is JSN.

52:18 The crazy thing, when he crushed it in that first game against the Colts, the Ravens were up so big early on. Like he only played 20 some snaps in that game.

52:27 He got hurt in the late second half, like second quarter, excuse me. So he played one half and then he came back in limited snaps against the Cowboys. That's the only thing he's played this season. And he's got the numbers he does.

52:39 To give you an idea, last year, 3.71 Pupinakua for the year. So like, obviously the numbers are going to come down, but just how egregiously and crazy that is. That's an insane, I didn't realize it was that. I was terrified of your boys, like putting him out there on that turf. I mean, I watched that whole game with like this, like just please, like I got Zay Flowers in too many leagues for that to happen.

53:01 I was equally terrified. To put a bow on Zay Flowers, I know he wasn't the one we were talking about here. He is wide receiver 18 in scoring on the season. That's with playing like one total game added up worth of stats. And he's watched your 18 through three weeks. So he's been completely ridiculous. You can take the guesswork out of your start-sit decisions with the Fantasy Pros start-sit assistant.

53:24 Instantly see your optimal lineup based on your roster, scoring settings, and advice from more than 100 fantasy experts. You can even set your lineup with one click. Get started at fantasypros.com slash start-sit. Guys, we'll wrap up with the touchdown calls contest. Jake, who's your running back?

53:39 At least I got this still going for me so far, which now I just jinxed myself because I did get the tight end last week like Fitz did before me.

53:46 Are you three for three? Yeah. Two for three.

53:48 Three for three.

53:49 So like I said, yeah, bringing up the jinx.

53:52 We don't need to say how I'm doing.

53:53 The jinx is coming. But I am going with Jeremiah Love against the Giants. I think that if you looked at what the Giants have done so far, week one when they bottled up Javante Williams, he still got in the end zone. Coram, Kyron ran all over them and just weren't asked to run at the goal line. And then Tony Pollard just had arguably his best game of the season, 70-something yards, and probably would have scored if Cam Ward and that offense could have done anything. So I'm not looking at the fact that they only let one rushing touchdown so far. I'm looking at the fact how bad this defense is, and they just lost Brian Burns for the entire season. So Jeremiah Love finds the end zone. Now watch Tyler Algier freaking vulture him. You

54:30 know I'm going to tweet as soon as that happens, that Algier's vulturing him.

54:33 In this game.

54:35 Of course. Fitz, who's your receiver you're picking?

54:38 After getting my first strike in the touchdown calls last week, I'm going to go with Jamison Williams this week. Jamo is just so due. Lions-Panthers is going to be high scoring. It has a Vegas total of 51.5 points. The Panthers defense, not good. And now it's going to be without its best cover man, J.C. Horn, just placed on injured reserve.

54:58 I think Jamison Williams is going to eat this week. Please don't anyone bench him this week in this game.

55:06 I actually also went with the Lions. I went with Sam Laporta for the tight end. I have not hit one yet this season. And I don't even really think it's like we have to go head to head here, Fitz. I know like Laporta and Jameson Williams, there was a lot of like on-off splits talk this summer. But against this, you know, current state of the Panthers defense on Sunday Night Football, I think both guys could get in the end zone. I'm hoping they do. So I'm going with the Lion as well here. Jeremiah Lovett running back for Jake.

55:31 Jameson Williams at receiver for Fitz. Sam Laporta at tight end. For me, if you think you can nail this week's touchdowns, join our free touchdown calls contest on PickSheet. Pick a running back, receiver, tight end, and bonus flex, with the flex being worth double. Weekly winners get a $ 25 Fantasy Pros gift card, and the season champ wins a signed Reggie Wayne jersey. Play at PickSheet.com slash Fantasy Pros. All right, guys, we will go ahead and wrap things up there. Thanks, everybody, for checking out our Week 4 Start, Sit, Show. For Fitz and Jake, I'm Ryan Wormley. We'll see you again next time. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast. If you love the show, the best free

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