The Extra Point | Fantasy Football Week 3 Lineup Help: Starts, Sits, Trades & Players to Drop (Ep. 2220)

0:01 What's up, friends, and welcome in to the Extra Point Podcast right here on Fantasy Pros. I'm Chris Welsh. It's Andrew Erickson. And we are here live on our Fantasy Pros Discord with a studio audience with hand-raised questions to be asked because this is the podcast of the people, for the people, and most importantly, with the people. And we do it exclusively on our Discord where you can get it a day early and you can be a part of it when you go to fantasypros.com slash chat.

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0:46 There's a life. It is an ecosystem that exists here on the Fantasy Pros Discord. So come and check it out today, fantasypros.com slash chat. Be a part of it. Thursdays, 2 p.m. Eastern time. is when you can come and hang out with me and the very slick-looking Undertaker, Andrew Erickson, week three. We're in our mode right now. This is our, like, seven shows over two days mode, and we're going to be prepping for the prop show. So how are we doing there, show brother?

1:14 Dude, doing great, man. Excited for another slate of NFL action. Had an amazing Thursday night experience. All the bets hit, so super happy about that. And looking forward to another fun-filled Sunday filled with NFL action. I have my first of many weddings coming up this weekend as well.

1:34 Is it wedding season already? It is. It is wedding season. Ready to go.

1:39 That's where I'm going to get the locks. They're going to get chopped this weekend. So I'll be hopefully set for the next couple weeks.

1:45 Do you have bad friends? Why is wedding season... During football all the time.

1:51 Because no, I have friends that embrace the beautiful foliage of fall and how nice it is to get married in New England during fall. My wedding wasn't during fall because I respect my job.

2:04 And people and friends and people having it because they're not doing this on a Tuesday wedding. They're doing it on a Saturday.

2:10 I mean, at least they're not getting married on Sunday. That's positive.

2:13 That's good. No human being that I know has been to more weddings than Andrew Erickson. Can you give me a rough estimate of the amount of weddings you have gone to? Maybe even since I've known you.

2:26 I mean, it's got to be at least 10.

2:29 No, I was about to curse. No way. No freaking way.

2:34 As in, you think it's more?

2:36 In your life, you've only been to 10. You've been to 10 in the last 18 months. You're a popular guy.

2:43 It's starting to slow down.

2:44 Oh, you're getting older.

2:45 It's starting to slow down because now it's, Well, because this weekend as well, on Sunday, I will be attending a one-year-old birthday party.

2:54 Okay, more people that don't respect you or like you. So, okay, so birthday parties.

2:58 Yeah, but the game's going to be on there, so it's fine. I mean, it's really more of a celebration of the parents that, hey, we made it. Shout out to Ben and Lisa. They kept their child alive for a year. That's exactly what.

3:08 You want to say.

3:09 Congratulations. Do it on the workday. Big important day. But I get a pretty– I don't have any– I don't know anybody. I'm not friends with anybody.

3:16 Stop.

3:17 I have no life. I've been to three weddings. I actually worked a wedding. So I've been to like four total weddings in my life. So I'm well-unliked, which.

3:24 You know what?

3:26 It's perfect for a football fan. Don't give me to Wed and Sisson, but Erickson is very popular. He's fun to be around.

3:31 I was not at the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey wedding.

3:34 Oh, well, next time. There will be another one. You know that. All right, let's get into the show. People are screaming, but you know what? This is the one show where we get to do this. Yeah, you don't control us. This is a straight podcast. This is us. This is our show. One of the longer standing duo shows that doesn't really ever waver. And glad to have you guys here and glad to have the audience here.

3:53 And we have got a bunch of questions. So we told the audience, as always, don't expect any Thursday night questions. If there is, you're going to hear a buzzer and a person immediately kicked out. And we'll answer the question after. Let's get to it because we got a whole bunch of it. Love to see you guys in here. And Cornwallis, did I do this last week? Cornwallis, you're on a streak, man.

4:13 What's up?

4:14 Hey, what's up, guys?

4:15 I just want to say you both look fantastic today.

4:17 I love the outfits.

4:18 Thank you. Yeah, it's actually a rainy Arizona day, so I'm hooded up. I told Erickson I was woken up to 120 decibel lightning thunder next to my window. So I was like, oh, it's wake up time. So thank you very much. Appreciate you.

4:32 Yeah, no problem.

4:33 So, uh, questions, flex question and PPR, uh, looking at Jonah Coleman, gravy on Henderson or Denzel Boston. And then my second question is I have Dalton Schultz and Terrence Ferguson. I'm not really sure what to do with them at this point. It feels like I should sell one at peak value because they both smashed, but I'm not sure.

4:54 Maybe I just keep them and put the.

4:55 Matchups real quick on the first one. Was that full PPR or half?

5:00 It was full of PPR, and I am a heavy favorite if that matters.

5:03 Okay, you know, it totally matters. On the second one, I absolutely would trade either for the highest package if the package is solid. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'd put them out. Hey, anybody looking for a good tight end? And if someone wants to sell or buy high on either one, I'm not specific to you. I mean, I would probably prefer... I guess they're both very tied to the wide receivers. There's a little part of me that says Schultz is the one like when Nico comes back, he just fades into non-existence. But I would trade either one for a nice deal and I wouldn't care like that I'm trading the other one. You know what I'm saying?

5:36 Where are you on that?

5:37 I agree.

5:39 I think that when you're torn about who should I trade, I think the answer should be what can I get the best for back? return and that should kind of be your focus when it comes to who do i get rid of because both guys are good options to have on your team but to your point they definitely saw boosts in production because of the wide receivers that were missing from their respective offenses obviously i think that ferguson has way more long-term upside but schultz is not a nothing burger he's not gonna get to play the bangles every single week and be on a team that throws the ball 55 times so that's something you have to keep in context i think you'll probably get more for schultz i would say but people really like Terrence

6:17 Ferguson too. So maybe I'm wrong here. So I think, yeah, you got to send some feelers out, find whoever has is starting Colson Loveland. Like that's the manager you got to make this trade for because they know that, Hey, I got, I need tight end production now. Cause even this week, Loveland's probably not going to get the bears passing games. Probably not going to be the reason why the bears are effective on offense against the Eagles because their secondary is really, really good. So yeah, I would send some feelers out. The first question was Henderson.

6:44 It's essentially Boston and Henderson. Coleman's a nothing burger. It's Travion Henderson or Denzel Boston, full PPR, and he's already a heavy favorite.

6:52 Then I would just probably play.

6:54 Which one? You cut out. What was the last one?

6:56 Henderson. That's probably who I would play.

6:58 Coleman's a nothing bird. I mean, what if Coleman's the only guy, what if he plays and Dobbins and Harvey are out?

7:03 There's only one that didn't practice.

7:04 So I'm, I think he's on Thursday.

7:07 No, well, Wednesday, Wednesday, he did not, the others were limited and he didn't practice. So I think you're in a situation where he's either not going to play, or if he is you, he's still behind Dobbins. But even if, unless he was the only back active, there's no other scenario where I still like him more than the others.

7:24 I actually leaned Denzel Boston. Boston's getting targets. He's a big play option. but it's one of those two. And if you're a heavy favorite, you can play it out however you want. I mean, the run game is more stout with the Jags. So I'd like to see Travion get involved in the past game a little bit more.

7:40 So that's why to me, like, I think Boston's got the ceiling and maybe even a little bit of the floor, but you know, running backs and volume and stuff. I think you're cool with either one.

7:48 Yeah.

7:48 I mean, Henderson did get what? 16 carries last week.

7:52 Stevenson fumbled and he can also rip off a big play. I, I, Henderson, I mean, just like Patriots offense, Browns offense. I get it's the Panthers, but I think that the Browns can do ground and pound this week where they can run the football effectively, which they haven't been able to do the last couple of weeks.

8:08 So I like Henderson.

8:09 I hope so not, or at least that they only can do it to set up the play action because I talked about Mary on the tailgate. Go check out the tailgate, by the way, YouTube tailgate NFL. We're talking real football intertwined a little fantasy. It's a bunch of fun. And we just did our predictions for the week.

8:24 All right.

8:24 Jorge, not the righty. But the lefty, Jorge, what's up, dude? Come on down and tell us what you got.

8:32 So I benefited from getting QJF waivers last year, and it was wonderful for those few weeks. Got them on a few teams this year. At what point do you just figure to just cut your losses and go elsewhere? Is it better to pick up a handcuff RB for him, or is it at this point just that kind of wait? wait and see, because he might have some potential upside once they figured out this offense.

8:54 Can you give us an example of what might be available? Because that would determine.

8:58 I mean, say it's like a tank Bigsby. I'm blanking on a canines handcuff. Like he's available as well. Like it's just going to be kind of a lotto ticket, but do you think those are worth picking up over QJ wait and see, you know, they're still going to be on my bench, but I'm just thinking like long-term value here.

9:13 Yeah.

9:13 That's a good question. All I could think of, by the way, when that horn, I I'm, I'm stupid brain, Tim Robinson. And I think you should leave. And it's like, Hey, did you move your car? Not everybody knows how to do everything. You don't know how to drive?

9:26 No.

9:26 That's all I could think. Four people would love that reference. Nobody else. That was the horn sound to me. Would you drop Quentin Johnston for Emmett Johnston? Johnston for Johnston.

9:37 Yeah, if you don't need the wide receiver depth, because that's really the only thing Johnson would be doing for you, you have to remember that Johnson has to have at least one good game before you even consider starting him. And then you also have to make a bet. Can he have two good games in a row, right? Because if he has a good game on your bench, then you'll be tempted to start him the next week. But then if he bombs again, it's going to be pulling your hair out of, okay, what is this? office going to look like i think that even though the chargers office has been underwhelming i think it's still clear that he's not the number one wide receiver on the team like it's lad and it's just a matter of if

10:10 healthy lad is out there lad's lad is actually kind of like a good play this week if he's been practicing in full like the bills have been like eaten up by slot receivers so That is the one way the Chargers can stand a chance. Again, it depends on how much time Herbert's going to have to throw because this offensive line is already in shambles. Slater is banged up already. He's been limited this week. Joe Alt has not been playing well. So, yeah, I don't think the offense is going through QJ, and that was part of, okay, we'll take a shot on him in draft season, see if he can be the number one receiver, and that's not the case. Even if this offense was playing well, he's not the number one guy. So if you'd rather

10:46 have that bench spot be a high-end handcuff, I mean, look, Emma Johnson, man, I don't know if Ken Walker can handle 30 touches per game for the rest of the season. I think the Chiefs probably know he can't, and that's why they're talking about Evan Johnson, but Emma Johnson would be such a smash if Ken Walker even misses one or two weeks, and I think that's honestly way worthier, especially in Tank Bigsby, too, because Saquon Barkley is, you know, he got hurt last week. He's an older running back, so I think those two running backs in particular I would rather have.

11:13 Than Johnson right now. And I think it was really critical to the answer you gave us. Emma Johnson right there, like, I just don't, play a ton of the game like I totally understand like Ken Walker hasn't had more than what 225 touches and carries and then you look at it and you're just like he's on pace for 450 you know Bogman's stance is he won't relent that he's going to get hurt so if you do want to take that like Erickson said it Emma Johnson's going to be absolutely insane it is a fab buster if Ken Walker were to go down he is a fab buster you would drop every penny on it so pick him up and have him especially if you're not going to play Quinn Johnson what's going to happen Quentin Johnson is

11:48 a Trojan horse at this point.

11:50 Yeah.

11:51 He's like Marvin Harrison. What's going to happen? You're going to put him on your bench. Then he's going to go off and you're going to be like, oh, bet. And then you're going to put him in your lineup and then he's going to stink it up. And it's just like, those guys suck. So I would not want that on my roster now anymore because I agree I'm off the lad thing or I'm off the Quentin Johnson thing and maybe it'll work itself out and we'll have a slight regret. But I would have a regret if I wasn't getting a guy like Emma Johnson. If I was, yeah, Emma Johnson. If I was picking up, you know, Not that you pick up Brandon Cooks, but you know what I'm getting at? Like just some guy that's just going

12:22 to give you like some weak value. Like that's where I would– yeah, same logic. Someone just said like Jameson Williams. It's kind of the same, but Jameson Williams has better upside. I also think he can smash this week, but it's a higher version of that. That was a fun question. Bucks man.

12:37 What's up?

12:39 I got two quick questions. First one, I'm in a 10-man standard league, and I have A.J. Brown and J. Flowers as my receivers, so I need to choose two between T-Mac, Jalen Coker, Chris Godwin, Roma Dunze, or Adonai Mitchell.

12:57 Dude, that's so tough because the top two are the Panthers guys, I think, because I was going to say Coker. I don't know if you can start with Erickson. Would you start both of the Panthers or would you want to have like you would? OK, yeah. Erickson saying both.

13:11 Yes, they're both Panthers guys.

13:12 Yeah, I mean, it's a good it's good.

13:14 That's worked for two weeks in a row.

13:16 Yeah, it has. I think Coker is the one I kind of like Coker even a little bit more than Ted Arroyo. But you just don't have like another guy that's like, oh, let's clearly do that. So what's the question number two?

13:27 Question number two, another league. I have Parker Washington. I was wondering, is Christian Gonzalez going to travel with Parker Washington or is he going to guard one or the other? Does he guard like one side of the field?

13:39 Oh, that's a great, it's a great, great question that Erickson and I had been, we've actually talked about it only on the tailgate this week on the real NFL talk, but that has dominated. And I've asked you this question and you just kind of answered it on that show, but bring it over here. Cause I literally asked you Erickson.

13:55 I said, Do you believe Christian Watson is going to shadow Parker Washington? And you had some good responses.

14:03 He is probably going to shadow Parker Washington for the majority of the game. You don't pay Christian Gonzalez the amount of money the Patriots did and then not put him on the opposing number one wide receiver, who is clearly Parker Washington.

14:15 It's really just a waste, right? Oh, yeah. Go take away Brian Thomas Jr., right?

14:19 You don't need Christian Gonzalez to do like we've seen this with offenses before. So now it's not enough where shadowing and shutting down are two different things. That's the thing I also want to be clear about where, yeah, Gonzalez can win his fair share of reps, but Parker Washington is going to win his fair share of reps too.

14:37 Last week against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Metcalf didn't do anything against Gonzalez, but Jeremy Bernard had some nice plays against Christian Gonzalez, a rookie wide receiver. So Gonzalez is not going to win every matchup. Parker Washington is going to get more enough opportunities to rip off big plays. He's also twitched up AF. So that's tougher. Even a cornerback like Christian Gonzalez to handle versus a player like a DK Metcalf, where it's a big bodied guy. Those guys are much easier to get your hands on and manipulate how they move her into their routes. So Liam Cohen also is a smart enough officer coordinator and play caller to move Parker Washington around and get him off of Christian Gonzalez.

15:13 So You're not worried about it.

15:15 Maybe it's not the three touchdown, 150 yard game for Parker Washington, but he's still going to be productive.

15:22 You're still starting him.

15:23 Yeah.

15:24 That is my point right there is I, you know, I should go and look at it because I think I mentioned like, it was like after week one or yeah, it must've been after week one, like a Becca Buka had like the most motion pre-snap Parker Washington, they motion a decent amount and they move them all around it.

15:42 Because I've had Parker Washington props the last two weeks. I've smashed him in the first half. And so I've really been hyper-focused. And they just place him all around the field. They move him around. I think Erickson nailed it. That is what they're going to do. Is Gonzalez going to be on him a decent amount? Yeah, probably. But Parker Washington does a really good job in short stints of finding separation. He's a pretty good separator. And they're going to move him around. So I just don't know.

16:06 Are we in at some point for a game where he's less than?

16:11 Sure.

16:12 Is this the one? You could write it up as that, but I just don't want to bet against him. He's gotten to the point he deserves, as Erickson says, goat status. He deserves the benefit of the doubt that we don't take him out because of Christian Gonzalez, and he moves around the offense, which might get him off a little bit.

16:26 You like to see BTJ out there just for spreading the field a little bit, and he might take some of that coverage as well. Great question, Bucks man. I'm glad we talked about it here. The great and powerful, OG. Chinzer. Chinzer been here since the beginning. Hollow Knight himself.

16:42 What up? What up? Two questions.

16:46 One, would you do, for my last wide receiver spot, Coker over Igbuka with how bad Baker looks?

16:53 Damn you for that.

16:56 Half PPR.

16:57 Half PPR. Me, personally, no. I'm Igbuka-ed. getting back this week, but I would not fall to you whatsoever because I like Coker. I think I've got them like super close. I'm actually going to pull this up. I think that's what Erickson's doing to give the answer. But Erickson, what is your initial take if you haven't looked at your ranks yet when asked that question? Eileen Egbuka.

17:19 Yeah, I've got them ranked pretty close. Egbuka, 22. Jalen Coker, 24. I haven't really dove super deep into what I'm projecting from this Buccaneers offense this week against the Brian Flores Madman team. 80% blitz rate defense.

17:35 Spooky.

17:37 Is that a scenario where is Agbuka going to be a lot of the first read stuff or is it going to be Godwin and the running backs? Because the blitz is going to be coming so quickly. Agbuka has been getting a lot of air yards, but like that doesn't mean anything against the Vikings defense. Whereas obviously Coker has just been cooking with Bryce Young. Agbuka scored last week, so I kind of bailed you out, but he also didn't have a high target share of in the offense relative to the other positions.

18:03 So I think I'm actually going to go with Coker.

18:05 Are we in the circle of trust here, guys?

18:09 Yes, we are.

18:10 I'm a fat liar. I just looked at my ranks. I'm Coker. I got Coker multiple spots higher. So yeah, I'm going to toss that up. I'm not a subject of my ranks, but I've got a hand up here. Yeah, I have Coker.

18:25 I mean, I think the thing with Agbuka.

18:27 I think we need to maybe carry a little bit over of his second half performance from last year. I know that Baker was banged up, but now we're just getting bad Baker overall. And when Baker was bad, Agbuka was bad last year. Three catches for 16 yards last week, five targets. That's not a lot of volume against the Browns.

18:46 And he scored the touchdown, so that made you feel good about it. But besides that, I mean, wide receiver 33, wide receiver 32. What's changing there? and this matchup really isn't good. So slot receivers against the Browns.

18:57 You can do it.

18:58 Yeah.

18:58 I think, I think Coke, you stay in the flames, man. When in doubt, stay in the flames.

19:02 Sure.

19:02 Well, what was number two? Number two is in this league.

19:07 It's a 14 team or so running backs are thin and I am in a bad position. Tootin's my RB one. I have Jordan Mason and I have a Jonathan Brooks. So I do not have an RB two. So it's looking like Braylon Allen right now. I have, I have four decent wide receivers. Amin Ra, Igbuka, Christian Watson, Coker. But it is almost impossible to trade for a running.

19:32 Back in this league.

19:32 Like I've been thinking about maybe like Coram seems tradable because he's not like locked and loaded starter, but.

19:39 I kind of want to keep Coker.

19:41 You can't trade Coker for Corum.

19:42 I don't like that.

19:43 And Ibuka for Corum feels insane.

19:45 You can't trade Coker for Corum?

19:46 Would you trade Coker for Corum?

19:48 Yes.

19:49 If this was my running back situation, hell yeah.

19:53 Would you be more willing to trade him or Ibuka?

19:56 I'd rather trade Coker.

19:59 Yeah, but I don't like it. Try to see if you can get a little bit more.

20:04 I mean, he's going to get Mason back at some point. I also think that it's worth taking a swing. Remember quorum also has, so quorum is like a startable piece right now. What if Kyron goes down and quorum stuff? I running back like, yeah, sure. Yeah, no, I mean, he's a top 10 running back in the NFL.

20:20 Sure.

20:21 But that's not happening. And I mean, your situation is really bad. That's a really, really tough one. Cause you're like, okay, I have a similar situation that I'm dealing with this week. I swear to God, I think tootin might be my number one too. And this isn't the best and you don't want to take too many L's down the road, but I'm looking at picking up a Damon Claiborne and kind of going YOLO. I don't know if he's floating out there just because Aaron Jones is banged up, might not play. I would keep that in my back pocket.

20:50 Even picking up guys like Chris Brooks in one of my deeper leagues is out there. Just trying to find a couple of those guys that I can make a decision come Sunday that If Aaron Jones is out, or at least hopefully they tell us, and I can put in a Claiborne. Before trading down, Erickson thinks Coker for Coram in that situation works. I feel a little bit dicier about it. Maybe you can get better. But if not, I would also go explore some of those. And maybe they're not available because it's a deeper league. But that's kind of like how I'm trying to approach it in those leagues.

21:20 I might be able to get Judkins in a few weeks, which is gross.

21:25 If you can get him now, this is our smash week for Judkins, me and Erickson.

21:29 He wants to wait because he has Judarian Price and he wants to see him get healthy again before he can give him up.

21:34 That guy stinks. All right.

21:36 Well, then you're not going to get him because he's going to smash this week. All right. Well, here's a not planned plug. But, Ginger, if you have your league synced up, it will look at all the rosters and you can find trade scenarios. It can build trade scenarios for you if you have with Fantasy Pros in my playbook.

21:53 So maybe sync your league and you can explore some of those and it can give you some trade suggestion ideas.

21:58 Sounds good. Thanks, boys.

22:00 Yeah, brother.

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22:49 Hello.

22:50 Week three, and I feel like I'm already kind of digging through the trash here for my flex. It's full PPR. I grabbed Emmanuel Wilson off waivers, but it's starting to sound like Price is probably going to play. My other options are Quinn Johnson, Booty, or I could play a tight end like Gadsden or Hunter Henry are kind of my main options right now.

23:11 All right.

23:12 Yeah.

23:12 We're all kind of playing that. What do you think about that? I kind of want to like Emmanuel Wilson, but in that situation, we just garbaged on Quentin Johnston, but he kind of sounded like maybe the best option. You've been a little team pro booty, especially if Nico's out. What direction would you go on flex for that one?

23:32 I think to me, that's plug my nose and put Quentin Johnston out there hoping that things are fixed based on those options, but maybe you feel a little bit more confident. I mean, Manuel Wilson was used in the red zone a decent amount, even if price is there, that probably still happens. So maybe you could vulture a touchdown out of Wilson, even if it's less touches, what direction would you go?

23:51 I feel like I can't answer this question until I know more about the, cause a lot of this is contingent based on a lot of these injuries, right? Like we can't tell you about booty unless Nico is not going to play. We don't, again, Price may play. Maybe he doesn't play. You don't play Wilson if Price plays.

24:06 Because I agree with you. I think a lot of these are contingent. Because if you say booty, which I feel like you're leaning towards, and Niko's in, he has to go. But if you had to make a decision right now, in the state of states, I think it's got to be Johnston.

24:19 I would rather play Gadsden.

24:23 Are you Gadsden?

24:24 I would rather. Dude, last year when... I think this Chargers offense needs a spark, man.

24:31 And Gadsden now has an opportunity to be more involved as the main tight end because they're not going to be using Kohler as out. I mean, he's going to play probably every single snap on offense.

24:42 You're not wrong about that.

24:43 So, I mean, Johnston is boom or bust. The Bills defense has been susceptible to some big plays, but I still think the offense moves through Ladd. And then Gadsden, I mean, Gadsden, didn't he score a touchdown last week or two weeks ago? So, I think that's maybe the move I make. Hunter Henry, I think, is kind of safe.

25:03 If you just kind of look at floor play, he did leave the Patriots in target share last week without A.J.

25:07 Brown.

25:08 So if they are throwing a lot, I think that Hunter Henry, especially with Eli Raritan, also banged up. He's also a player that played nearly every single snap for the Patriots. So I know I don't always recommend flexing tight ends, but in this situation, when you have guys that look like they're going to play every single snap, that's a good opportunity. So obviously, I'd like to wait For more information about the injuries, Booty would be in if Nico is out. And then if Price is out, I would move Wilson up ahead.

25:37 You double-duded me too on that. You're like, dude, dude. So you know it's serious when there's a double-dude. Only thing I would point out, maybe a little concern, if you look at PFF grades, this is a rough one. Linebacker coverage, safety coverage, and cornerback coverage on tight ends is top six, all of them. So, you know, maybe for the Bills. So Bills coverage against tight ends. So at least coverage grades very early on in the season.

26:03 Doesn't look great, but I don't disagree with you that, like, he might be the safety. There might be a lot of safety net options that the Chargers are going with. They might not be on the big plays. That's a rough situation. The plays, I think, Wilson is if you want to make the touchdown play, regardless of Price being out there. Gadsden is Erickson's call. I'm going to say Johnston out there. You know, pick your fighter. That's a really rough sucks when we get to that space. I had a situation. I got lucky. Terrence Ferguson was available in the league last week and I had Puka and I was able to, you know, Puka to the IR, pick up Terrence Ferguson and put him in my flex.

26:37 And that worked out. But it's like we don't all get that. Nick, what's up, Nick?

26:41 Hey, guys, I'm going to throw my team in here. I have Bo Nix as my starting quarterback and someone just dropped Stafford. So curious if you guys would do like a full on drop for him or drop someone else for him. And then the other part of this, I'm trying to figure out like flex right now. Basically, I could drop for or I could pick up Terrence Ferguson from waivers. He's on there right now. If Puka doesn't go, I could start him might drop. uh brooks for algier because i have jeremiah love i know i'm saying a lot here well i actually.

27:17 Wanted to ask you do you not have an ir in your league i.

27:21 Have two irs and they're filled by tyson and aj brown so that's kind of like the tough spot there i could also drop tank bigsby if uh saquon is playing on saturday for uh algier.

27:34 I would drop brooks yeah brooks has got to go give him Can I present this to the courtroom as well? Would you consider just saying, just jettisoning Tyson into the sun and just, I mean, I guess that actually doesn't cure it.

27:48 I would not.

27:49 Okay.

27:49 Cause that would rather have Tyson than Brooks.

27:52 Okay.

27:52 If I could, if I could drop, if Tyson was available and I could just exchange him in my IR spot for Brooks, I would rather have Tyson in my IR spot.

28:00 So, okay.

28:01 Cause I'm, I'm in agreement here. Brooks has got to go for somebody and I'm down for Terrence Ferguson because I think based on your roster, uh, I mean, basically your roster, you put Ladin at wide receiver if he goes, and then it's like Addison or Ferguson. And if there's no Puka, I want Ferguson. So I think we're making that move. But Erickson, what I'm curious about is that quarterback thing. Would, because he has Bo Nix, do you think he should try to play back to back? Would you straight drop Bo Nix for Stafford or would you try to drop somebody else? So now we're getting into, are we dropping Brooks? And are you willing to drop someone like Bigsby?

28:33 I don't want to play Bo Nix or Matthew Stafford this week.

28:37 I could also grab Kyler. He's available too.

28:40 I would rather, I'd rather play Kyler than both those guys.

28:43 I know that sounds crazy, like ludicrous, but I mean.

28:46 You know, because if Kyler plays well, he's playing the dolphins in week four and then you're going to have a great guy to start. So I think Bo Nix is probably the safest play. So I have them all ranked back to back to back Nix, Kyler Stafford. But when you're throwing in the context of, okay, well, future matchups, Bo Nix plays the 49ers in week four.

29:07 So that's not terrible as well. Who are you going to rank higher next week?

29:11 Well, assuming that Kyler looks at least like competent against the Buccaneers, you're going to rank Kyler higher than Bo Nix next week because he's facing the Dolphins.

29:20 Yeah, but the weird caveat, and we talked about this on the tailgate too, is that if the Broncos have no running backs, you might have this like alternate world where The, they're going to get to, I just completely.

29:33 They're probably going to throw a lot.

29:34 Who are they playing? They're playing the Rams. That's what it was. That was the alternate world where the Rams, maybe without Puka, are trying to keep it on the ground with Corum and Kyron Williams, and then the Broncos, they don't have a running game, and they're just slinging the crap out of the ball, which could up Knicks.

29:49 But to your question, unless we see this amazing output of Knicks, I probably am. Like, Kyler, the matchup against the Bucs right now seems amazing.

29:58 And Kyler would probably be slinging. Yeah.

30:00 I think, I think the safe play is just play bow. Cause you can also play him next week too. Potentially at the 49ers, that could be a shootout. I'm not like totally afraid of like the 49ers defense, even though they've been better. I don't think they're like, you can't play quarterbacks against them. But if you feel like you could get Kyler at some point, or if you could just add Kyler too, and just stash him for next week.

30:21 But Kyler's going against Tampa Bay this week. What was next week?

30:24 Miami. Oh yeah. Jesus. Okay. That's what I mean.

30:27 Like, Cause it's just a matter of like, he just has to be competent. Like if he sucks this week though, like it's going to, it's going to be shaky for like, Oh, he's playing the dolphins, but it's like, he sucked last week. Like, so he's got to at least look competent.

30:39 There's an argument.

30:40 I just want to put those out here. Not to get on a tangent. There's an argument to say, based on that, instead of Bo's going against the Rams, Stafford's going against the Broncos and Kyler's going against Tampa Bay with Miami out there and people fighting for it. There's an argument to be said. I don't know what your matchup looks like, that you go and get Kyler Murray now, you play him against that Bucs team who just made Deshaun Watson look good, and you've got him against Miami next week.

31:07 Yeah, I mean, I think Kyler's definitely... No, no, that makes sense.

31:10 I have a lot of moving pieces here.

31:13 I think you mentioned, too, if you wanted to add Algier.

31:18 Yeah, so I didn't know with Love if it's worth grabbing Algier. It is like a five-bench spot league, so it's not super deep there.

31:26 No.

31:26 So I want to present one more little tiny thing. This is contrary to Erickson's thing. I don't want to move off of Bigsby necessarily because Saquon has this stinger. But I do want to say if Saquon did not have this stinger right now and Bigsby wasn't out there, I would in a heartbeat just dump him to do the Kyler thing we're talking about. And then if you felt more comfortable about Knicks this week and then you wanted to be prepared for next week with Kyler going against Miami, I would do that. So the only thing that's keeping me off from that is that Saquon was hurt, but maybe because it shorts bench. And it seems like you have pretty decent players that are floating out on waivers.

32:05 Maybe you can. Maybe you can dump Bigsby to do that move. I know that's not going to be a popular one. I don't think Erickson's going to want to sign off on that. But the Kyler situation kind of has me a little bit excited, especially about the Miami thing. And instead of fighting everybody, I just do it this week.

32:20 But that's something to think on there, Nick.

32:21 No, that makes sense. I figured I'd wait till later in the week, see if like there's a Saquon update. If he's playing for sure, drop tank. If he's not, then drop Brooks for that kind of move.

32:32 And I guess I would drop Brooks regardless.

32:33 Yeah, Brooks is the only one dropping now. Yeah, do that.

32:36 Okay. Okay.

32:37 Yeah, we're God, we're so over like, look, look at us. We're just so over.

32:41 I mean, Hey, well, you know, but like, at least we're like, it was a bad call and we're telling people to move, like move on, like cut bait, take the L we're done forever. Like, I mean, all my best ball shares of Jonathan Brooks. I hope that he makes a comeback and that Rappaport is right. That like, yep, they're, they're confident he can be contributor down the stretch.

33:00 I'm like sick. Like that would be dope, but I am not expecting it. to do anything.

33:05 My first year in the tags league. And he's my number two running back. And I'm just like, I do have like Jonah Coleman. I think I also might have Emmett Johnson.

33:12 I got Marshawn Lloyd. I know.

33:14 After his, after his monster game.

33:17 I know both of them. Remember when we were debating Lloyd versus Brooks and you gave me crap for, I took like Lloyd one time and then realized that none.

33:23 Of it mattered. And we should have just drafted Blake Corham instead.

33:25 Yeah.

33:26 Yeah.

33:26 Or like I said, Chuba Chuba was just floating out there. All right. Great question, Nick, Joe. What up, Joe?

33:33 So first question is full PPR.

33:35 Should I start George Kittle over John Johnson or should I go Johnson?

33:40 I'm Kittle.

33:41 Yep.

33:41 Okay.

33:43 Kittle.

33:43 Okay. Second question.

33:45 Would Devante Smith be a good trade for Brees Hall at this point?

33:50 If I already stacked that wider series, I have Nico Collins and Jason.

33:53 So you mean trade Devante Smith to get Brees Hall?

33:56 Yeah.

33:57 Yeah.

33:57 I don't think I would do that. Nico. Cause he's not healthy. Can you trade Nico for Brees Hall? that would be better to do Nico for B's Hall.

34:05 He's a little bit banged up. Also, I mean, I'm, I'm big Devon. I want Smith top five receiver this week. So like, I think this is a smash week. So I would just also slightly point out that you probably get a bigger return for Smith if he does smash this week. So yeah, I mean, you get a banged up wide receiver. Maybe you make that move with, with Nico first. What was number three?

34:24 Oh, number three. So should I hold or trade ETN?

34:28 And if you guys think I should trade them, like, What type of RBs do you think, you know, I can get back from him or especially if I can pair him up with like a Mike Evans or George Kittle and that's for full PPR.

34:37 Yeah, you probably have to pair him to do anything. I think it's a bad time to trade HN.

34:42 If you, you, could you trade HN and Mike Evans to get Chase Brown?

34:47 Yeah, that's dude. That has been your theme this week. If you could package those two, I love it.

34:51 Cause yeah, dude, it's cause like they're playing the Steelers. And I think that people look at the Steelers defense and think it's elite. And then I'm like, I don't know, man. They played Drake May without a lot of his weapons. They played Cooper Rush. And this defense is old, so it was always going to play better to start the year.

35:09 And then you're going to see this defense start to deteriorate, I think, as the season progresses. So Chase Brown, dude, two games against the Steelers last year, averaged over 100 rushing yards per game, potentially a precursor to an overbet on Chase Brown rushing yards. In week three, Chase Brown RB1 Sissons.

35:26 It's still on.

35:27 You might need to look at Rush. Are we going to see a little maybe Rush plus receiving on the prop show this week?

35:33 Scrimmage yards. Scrimmies.

35:35 You want some scrimmies? I want some.

35:36 Oh, the scrimmies did me dirty last week, though, on my Bijan Robinson overall. I mean, in hindsight, attaching anything to an offense led by Cooper Rush may have been a mistake on my part, but.

35:46 But, I mean, if you're going to go 127 total yards on a guy, you're going to go on Bijan. Yeah, I think that's a great play. The only thing of working against you is. HN kind of stinks right now and Mike Evans is banged up. So there's a little bit of sell low that's happening. But that's why if you were to do both of those, you've got to get a guy like Chase Brown because like HN definitely can get back in the offense. I'm just a little bit worried, you know, the Camara and they're slinging the ball and just his usage is weird. I think Evans is going to get right.

36:17 I do think the health might be a bigger issue than I gave it credit for. Like I cannot get over how last week, like he wasn't opening drives and then now he's got that issue. So I don't love that. So maybe start there. See if that ends up working out for you. Another way that you can do it, my friend, is you can check out the trade analyzer.

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37:21 You texting Chase Brown right now? Are you saying like mount up? Chase Brown.

37:28 Saddle up, baby. Mount up.

37:31 Could you tell me if I– regulators. Who are the two artists that did– do you know what regulators is?

37:40 Damn.

37:40 Damn, I just got depressed. Regulators, mount up. It was a cool night.

37:47 Is it a movie or a song? Oh, no.

37:50 I mean, it's a movie.

37:51 Cornballs, come on. Guys, I never watched Face Off. What do you expect from me?

37:55 No, it's not a movie. This is like music. Do you know who Warren G is?

37:59 I'm sure that if you played some of his music, I'd recognize it.

38:02 Oh, my God.

38:02 You don't even know Warren G. Do you know Nate Dogg?

38:04 Yeah, I know Nate Dogg. He was in an Eminem song, wasn't he?

38:08 He was in an Eminem song.

38:09 Yeah, he was.

38:12 I was gonna start singing i don't have the lyrics in here but that one hurt that hurt way more than face off i'm gonna be honest with you regulators mount up doesn't no shivers no nothing all right let's move on hey rain man how you doing.

38:34 What's going on, gents?

38:35 I was just going to answer that one for you there, Welsh, but you stole my thunder on the Warren G.

38:39 And Nate dog. That's a rough one. I'm not trying to be ageist or anything like that, but that was one of the true separators of our, not a huge age gap, but a little bit of our age gap. My life consisted around Warren G and Nate dog.

38:54 That is right. Yeah, man.

38:55 Absolutely. Sorry, what was your question? Got a couple for you.

38:59 I'll try to rapid fire.

39:00 I am in a unique situation because leaving the draft every year, many thanks to you guys, I'm always at the top. Left the draft with like 101 power ranking this year. In the first two weeks, I lost AJ. Then I lost Stribling, got kicked out of the Strib Club, and then lost Alec Pierce and Mason. So I'm 0-2, which has never happened to me before, and I'm batting down the hatches.

39:26 Thanks to us.

39:29 That was dangerous. let's fix it.

39:31 12 team half point. The challenge here is it's only a four person bench. So that makes things, we do that to keep the wire alive, but I ran out and grabbed Ray Davis and Johnson and To protect my James Cook, Ken Walker, who I kept in the fourth, thanks to you guys. So that's working out well. But with the two only bench spots, I'm hurting at options.

39:53 So I'm thinking about shopping Monty, which I really don't want to do. But the guy that has Alave and Higgins, he has Pollard as his RB2 with Gibbs. And he's already said he's dying. He's got Nico and some others. So I think I could maybe get Alave off of him. which I already know what Erickson would say to that.

40:12 But then the other guy that has Romandre and Jalen Warren as his only running backs has Drake London. Would that be suitable? Or do you think a good move for Monty?

40:23 Yeah, I think it's yeses all around. Erickson, follow me for this. I know you probably want to make a move now, but I think it might be real sexy to trade him after this weekend because the Colts' defense, not good at all. And we could get another one. Now, it could go the other direction if Woody Marks gets more involved. But an opportunity for Montgomery. Like, imagine trading him after week one with the three touchdowns. Everyone's like, oh, let's go. And then he just was like, but now if you have another matchup in here, my point of this is, is you could put it out right now.

40:55 It's all good. You get either one of those guys golden, specifically a lava. Love it. If they say no to it, then wait it out when Montgomery has a smash week this week and then revisit that. Erickson, what do you want to add to it?

41:08 I guess for me, it's I'd rather just get the trade done if it's already there for me and not try to.

41:14 But if it's not, do you agree with that kind of take?

41:17 Yeah.

41:17 Yeah.

41:17 I mean, yeah.

41:18 Again, if they like reject the trade and you're like, OK, well, I'm going to come back to you next week when Monty does it really well against the Colts, hopefully. And then we can revisit this trade. So if you have to wait a week to get the trade done, then yeah, I think that that would be the wise move to make.

41:32 But I'm always also under the impression that it's never guaranteed when we have these matchups that, oh, this guy's teed up, he's going to smash. Sometimes that just doesn't happen that way, especially to your point about, I know it's talked about how Woody Marks was getting involved, re-watching that game. I mean, Dave Montgomery was like nowhere to be found in the second half. And it's not like they were getting like totally blown out at that point.

41:52 Like they were kind of still in that game in the second half, But there was just no action for David Montgomery whatsoever. And it's been like that for two weeks. David Montgomery, even in his three-touchdown game, 20 carries for 60 yards. Not super efficient in any way, shape, or form. And this Texas offensive line is still a big question mark about how efficient it can be run blocking up front for someone like David Montgomery. So the deal's there.

42:14 I would just take it and run. If not, wait a week, sell high. David Montgomery will probably be someone I talk about on the show with Worm next week.

42:22 As a sell, like if he does smash-ish, if he's smash-adjacent, you're going to try to move off of him?

42:28 Yeah, especially if it's more touchdowns, like two touchdowns, 20 carries, like 50 yards, like the same thing he did in week one, essentially, which he was a sell high after that point, too. I wish I was more vocal about that.

42:41 Instead, I was like, you got to sell Chuba Hubbard. Jonathan Brooks is coming for his job. Wrong.

42:49 Just defending our shares in there.

42:51 I love it.

42:51 All right, man. Catalyst, what up?

42:54 Yeah, it's kind of a little bit of context because I'm just trying to see if this trade is the right move for me right now. So in my Dynasty League, I posted my team on chat. I'm currently 0-2 with lowest scoring and also allowing the third highest. Just to give you context for the league around me. I just gave up last week. Worthy and Addison to get Brissette and to a third and a second for next year's draft, likely going to be high picks. And right now I'm just trying to see if I should move Herbert for Darnold and Roma Dunzey, just because my opponent, the guy I'm training with, he doesn't have another quarterback outside of Darnold.

43:34 And also he already has my first and that's the most he can give me.

43:38 So, okay.

43:38 So hold on. So do you have, This is Superflex. You have Herbert and Brissette. Do you have another quarterback?

43:44 So it would just be a tradeoff of quarterback for exchanging Darnold and Herbert.

43:48 But this is a situation where you are playing to next year, clearly, right? Because you've got multiple firsts, you've got multiple seconds, or are you trying to make a move?

43:58 I guess it's more just like trying to build assets also from Herbert. But I just don't know if it's worth it enough to give up Herbert just for Darnold and Adunzei.

44:07 This is the worst time to play to trade Justin Herbert. I cannot co-sign on this one. Like he's not, honestly, he could have a good game against the bills, right? He could just throw for a ton of yards. They have no run game.

44:19 That's working.

44:20 At least specifically in this matchup. I'm very concerned about Hampton. The tight ends are all banged up. I think that if the chargers, the chargers have any shot at winning this game, they have to lean more into Justin Herbert. I thought it was interesting. If you look at the pass rate for the Chargers, it's really low. I thought that they would probably lean more. I mean, the way that Mike McDaniel was selling this off, it's obviously we were excited about like the specific run schemes he was going to do, but they haven't really been letting Justin Herbert drop back to throw a ton. It's been running the ball and that has obviously not been effective. So you can't go into Buffalo and think, yeah, you know,

44:55 we'll just run the ball, play keep away.

44:56 Like, and that's how we'll win.

44:58 It's like, uh, dude, like we're paying Justin Herbert, but so much money might be like, they have to let him sling it. So I cannot co-sign on selling Justin Herbert after these two brutal weeks for him. Even if it's not going to be perfect for the rest of the season, he's going to have so many better games, especially for fantasy production. So I don't, I don't think it, I'm not saying you can't trade him at any point, but not after the last two weeks.

45:24 Yeah.

45:25 I have them on the prop show. That's literally, I think the bills have given Herbert. Yeah. I haven't looked at the show. I have Herbert on bills are given up like two 70 and like 300 plus in both games. The only way they're going to win is sling the ball. Lad is feeling a little bit better. Like that's, that's my take on it.

45:40 I agree.

45:41 I was actually battling between Hampton. I actually started with Hampton under and, And then.

45:46 You're like, that's not my nature.

45:47 But that's not me. That's not my nature. So I went with that.

45:52 I could take the Hampton under, though.

45:53 Yeah, if you want. I actually had two unders in the early process of my sheet.

45:57 And then you're like, that's two too many.

46:00 I'll do it. But then I was like, I don't know. I was just like, I was talking myself out of it a little bit. But you take that. So it's a correlative bet.

46:08 I mean, you took the Judkins along.

46:09 I know.

46:09 And you find another running back. I got to find another running back.

46:12 We, we, I mean, I'll give it back to you if you need. We both like. The thing was, is I was going to take rush attempts and he was going to take yards because of rush attempts was at 12 and a half, but then it jumped to 14 and a half. So yards is a big play, but you actually.

46:27 And then he's going to get 20 carries anyway. It's not going to matter.

46:31 I know I was tempted to, like I said, maybe do like an alt of like 18 carries or something like that. We'll see. I mean, that's where I agree. Also, I'm not like in love. I know a doomsday is a big piece of it, but like Sam Darnold is like an old older, right?

46:45 Like he's also hurt.

46:46 Yeah.

46:46 And he's hurt.

46:47 Like I just, cause you could, cause if you do this, you could just literally just lose this week because you don't have another quarterback to start.

46:53 Yeah.

46:54 How old is Sam Darnold? Did I just like make that up in my brain?

46:57 I think he's like 30. Is that like super old?

47:01 He's going to be like, I think he's like 30. Let's see. I want to say that he's 29. I was in my brain. He was 31, but he's 29. So you still got some time. I get where you're going with that. But Herbert is like a legitimate super flex, like first round type of guy close to first round.

47:16 So it is a really good time. It's yeah, especially with the Chargers stock down for a reason.

47:21 It makes sense.

47:21 Like there are real concerns, but I think that he's going to have better fantasy games, even if the real life production, even if the Chargers keep losing games. That doesn't mean that he's going to be bad fantasy the rest of the season.

47:32 And he's this team. It wasn't really competitive. Like you're kind of competitive, but he doesn't have a second running back. His wide receivers are a little bit. But like if you want to have assets for rebuilding and also I think it was a tight end premium. I think it wasn't necessarily written there, but he said he had Loveland and Pitts. Well, why don't you have two good quarterback and or at least one good quarterback and a couple of good tight end pieces in those premium type leagues?

47:55 Those are the assets that you want. And hopefully he can sometime get a second running back or something like that. And you got two okay wide receivers. Hold on to Herbert, though. All right, President Cal.

48:06 So I'm pretty overweight at receiver where I've got four of the top 15. But my only two running backs are A-Chan and Jonathan Taylor. And I'm in the Dynasty League. Is now the time to sell on A-Chan and try and see if I can trade some of the big receivers for someone like Gibbs or B-Chan? Or is A-Chan kind of the next best thing after that?

48:25 Okay, sweet.

48:26 You have four good wide receivers. You have four good wide.

48:29 Yeah.

48:30 Which HN, that's a good question. You have four good wide receivers and you want to take one of those wide receivers and Devon, and you want to try to get like a top tier running back.

48:39 Yeah, pretty much. I'm a bit concerned that Malik is kind of eating up all of a chance usage of a minute.

48:46 That's okay. By the way, before we answer your question, present Prez, uh, put what you put in the chat earlier, by the way, I loved your take when you were talking about entrances.

48:56 Oh, the best entrances?

48:57 Yeah.

48:57 Brian Robinson Jr. last year when he came out to Many Men by 50 Cent.

49:01 Many Men, Wish Death Upon Me. Do you know that song, Erickson?

49:06 No.

49:07 You are joking, right?

49:08 I don't think so. I don't know. It doesn't ring any bells.

49:15 I'm getting God. You're trying to get me. There's no way you don't know me.

49:19 How does it go? How does it go?

49:21 Many men wish death upon me. Blood in my eyes. You are just wanting me to sing, right?

49:27 I think I need to hear the full song.

49:30 Oh my.

49:33 I was sheltered as a child, okay?

49:37 Oh my.

49:38 I'm flabbergasted. But I agree, Prez, the many men by Bryan Robinson was phenomenal. That is, yeah, I'm getting rage baited, I think. That is 100% a great call on our conversation from last week of like incredible entrances. But okay, so can you really quickly tell us what the receivers are?

49:57 His roster's in here too. Oh, is it? Okay, then we got it.

50:00 We got it, Prez. All right, so Erickson, start to tackle that. You don't, No 50 cent, but you know, some dynasty and you know, some trade. So what are you doing in this situation? Are you going to package a, he's got Watson Loveland or London Pickens and Ted Aroa. You package someone with a Chan. Do you think that can get you a Gibbs? Probably a Bichon. I don't know.

50:18 Like how are you attacking this?

50:20 I mean, I, I think it's worth sending the deal. See what happens. I don't know if it's going to get done.

50:25 Yeah.

50:26 I mean, a Chan is a youngish running back. I mean, he's not that old. He's still on his rookie contract. Miami should be better next year when they have a top rookie quarterback, draft pick, etc. So this season, he's been fine, like kind of what we expected. Plays in a bad offense, but he gets all the volume. I understand that you're concerned about him breaking down, which is always a concern, but he's also really good. And to me, 8chan' s arc kind of seems like Alvin Kamara, where, yeah, maybe he.

50:55 Maybe he sees touches to another running back in the future, but he's so good as a pass cat. I mean, like, dude, he was an RB one when another running back on his own team scored 20 touchdowns. Like, I think that HN is a really, really good running back and a really, really good player. And the fact that he's so good as a pass catcher, I think that kind of, I feel like that helps cement his NFL future a lot better than some of these other running backs that are more reliant on rushing production.

51:22 So I don't like him. So if you can level up, then sure.

51:27 But, like, I don't want to just get rid of him for pennies on the dollar because he's on the Dolphins.

51:31 Prez has more context. There's one other receiver I didn't even realize he had when I was going through. He also has Nico Collins. And he said he offered A-chan and Collins and a first for Gibbs, and he was told no. So I think the answer, unfortunately, here is you're not getting it done because which of those receivers over Nico does the guy go, oh, well, now that I'm getting Teteroa, you know, or Pickens now I'll do it.

51:56 If it, a first a Chan and one and Nico doesn't get it done, you're not getting it done.

52:02 Yeah.

52:02 I mean, I don't know what other, I mean, maybe cause Nico's hurt right now, but the only receiver, I think that would probably, I mean, if you're upgrading a hundred percent, it would have to be Pickens probably.

52:13 Right. Would you say Pickens is higher value than Nico?

52:17 Pickens, London, somewhere in there.

52:19 I think London's definitely the best.

52:21 Would you do London and A-chan and a first?

52:24 Actually, yeah. You know what?

52:25 I think London would probably be the move I would make. He's younger, but the Falcons still haven't figured out their quarterback long-term. Maybe it's Michael Penix. It's probably not. And then if he has a rookie quarterback next year, then what does that look like? So I think that I would up the ante to London and see where that goes.

52:41 And then if that gets denied, then... I don't know what else you're supposed to do.

52:44 Would you still do the first thing? Because I feel like I would want to go HN and London and see what the guy says. Then the guy says, now this is that control. I always preach this, the control thing. Maybe the guy just says, if the guy says no, by the way, then you're never getting it done. But what you do is you offer London and HN and then the guy goes, now he has control and you give him power for him to be like, well, I want that pick too. And now it's like his idea.

53:07 And now it's starting to ruminate that he's going to get all this. My question to you is, would you also give up the first to get Gibbs in that situation? Or would you want to down talk the pick or like, cause the, cause if you tell me I'll do the pick as well, go in without the pick and see if you can give this guy the control. And then now he starts feeling like he's winning one over on you when you already would do it.

53:29 Do you do, well, I guess I'm just wanting to make sure that it's clear to the person you're saying this offer to that London is an upgrade from Nico and a first. Do you think that's, is that you, is that true or false? Like that's because I don't want it. I don't want, I don't think it's good trade etiquette to just send a lateral trade. That's the same as the one that just got rejected. So that's why I wouldn't be willing to do a Chan Nico in a first. Look, if you're going to get a guy like Gibbs, you're going to have to overpay, right?

53:57 We all kind of know that if you're going to get the best player in fantasy football, you're going to have to pay a lot and probably feel like you're losing. But if you're getting a guy that scores a touchdown every single week, which is what we're hoping that Jameer Gibbs does every single week. I don't think that you're going to feel bad about the first and London and a Chan that you lost to get him. Maybe the deal is you send a Chan London and a second.

54:17 And then in the back of your mind, you acknowledge if he says no again, I'll bump it up to a first.

54:21 No, maybe that's what you should do.

54:23 But I'll be honest with you. The more I think about this, I think the guy just is not going to do it because the same token of what I just said, the guy would have been like, well, give me London instead of Nico and I'll do it. And he didn't.

54:33 Yep.

54:33 He probably wants something insane, like you offering Nico Pickens and a Chan. And it's just like, you're actually team will be okay. But I just, I don't, I, it doesn't sound like it's going to get done. Cause he said he also offered the same for Bijan. They don't want to get rid of the best players in fantasy, even though you're sending quality offers, but it's just not, I think the thing that makes them be like, good Lord, I can't not do this is like Nico London and a Chan. And that's just such a wild trait.

55:03 If you want to maybe approach it differently, maybe trade over for like, maybe try this for like Justin Jefferson or something like that instead and not go running back, but receiver instead.

55:12 I think he, yeah. I mean, also point out like Jonathan Taylor and HN, like you're doing okay. You did ask the question of like, Hey, am I okay? Like you're doing good.

55:20 I mean, he changed your RB too.

55:22 Yeah.

55:22 He changed your RB too. Like it's, it's, I don't think your team is such kind of a powerhouse, like trading, trading, At such a high cost away just to upgrade that isn't really worth it when you have so much depth. Maybe you get people when they're on their heels a little bit. But I understand the HN stuff. It's concerning.

55:40 Malik hasn't been like the best.

55:42 All right.

55:43 There you go, friends. That was fantastic. You guys had a lot of good stuff. Some revelations in here. I'm going to need to know if anyone's with me with the shock. Erickson is one of the smartest guys I know. I just, I thought you were trolling me and rage baiting me and not knowing.

55:58 You know what?

55:58 Warren G, Nate Dogg. Okay. There's an age gap there. That's my bad. 50 cent thing is shocking. Is this is shocking. What is more shocking? Not knowing many men or not seeing face off. That's the new question that we follow through. We might have a new graphic for the extra point coming up here soon from our face off one. You guys want to come and hang out with us. We'd love for you to do it. You can do it next week over at fantasyprose.com slash chat.

56:21 Come in the discord chat. You get to ask your questions, you get to be involved in it, and it usually comes out like a day before. So if you want a little bit of early access to it, that is the fun stuff. So come in and hang out with us. We'd love to have you. Sign up today on the Fantasy Bros Discord, fantasybros.com slash chat. Make sure you're also checking out. We got me and Erickson on tons of shows together, of course, but we got the BP show.

56:43 So if you're into the prop market, we've kind of given you guys some little hints at where we're going. We'll be recording that. Well, it'll be posted by the time you're listening to this on the podcast. It'll be out there. Go check it out on the YouTube, bettingprose.com or youtube.com slash bettingprose. Pretty good week. We were both three and two last week. So come and hang out with us on that. That's going to do it. Good luck, Erickson.

57:04 Despite you not knowing music, I do love you. Give me a song. Give me a song that I wouldn't know, that you know. Do you listen to music? That's a better question.

57:13 Do you listen to music? Yeah, I listen to music. A song that you wouldn't know?

57:17 Is there something you could get? Like, what is your music? I don't know your music style. Just give me.

57:20 I mean, I listen to everything like hip hop, pop, country, rap, anything that's on the playlist.

57:27 I mix it up.

57:27 Usually when I'm working out, that's when I listen to the majority of my music.

57:32 So. I don't know what I've been listening to.

57:36 I don't believe you listen to hip hop, so I'm dying to know what hip hop you listen to.

57:38 I do listen to hip hop.

57:40 I mean, look, look, when I was younger, I got a Blink-182 CD that had the explicit lyrics content thing on it and then my brother told my my brother told my parents about it and they took it away from me.

57:52 Oh so oh so then you were kind of jaded you didn't want to be a menace.

57:57 Yeah so that was uh my my brother did me dirty.

58:01 That day he did do you dirty well you know what he's a snitch and snitches get stitches he was no.

58:06 I mean i mean he's.

58:09 We'll get into it later. We have too much fun here. Thank you guys for hanging out with us. This is going to continue. Another reason to come and hang out with us. This will continue when the show's out of here. That's Erickson. I'm Welsh. Hope you guys had fun with it. Good luck in week three, and we'll talk to you next time right here on The Extra Point, because it's good.

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