I Am All In…Again: Did Dean Almost Kiss Rory? (Season 4 E14 “The Incredible Sinking Lorelais”)

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Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one of them productions iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcast A Season four, episode fourteen, The Incredible Sinking Laurelize. We have very special guest, Patty Malcolm was Lauren stand In. She's also an actress, author, equestrian who had multiple roles in Gilmore Girls, which we just saw in this episode. Welcome to the show, Patty.

We see you've been in six episodes, including the one we're about to recap as Laurelized hairdresser. Yeah, but you were also Lauren stand In for five seasons. What do you remember about that Gilmore time in your life?

Oh my gosh, there's so much.

You know. One it was I just moved to Hollywood to pursue this dream of acting, but I didn't want.

To be a waitress. So I was like, what else can I do.

Where I'm in on a set, learning watching you know, the pros work and get more experience. And I got Gilmore Girls right away, like within a month of being in la and I interviewed for it and got the job.

And I just got thrown into it.

And what I love the most and remember the most about Gilmore Girls is that we became a family so quickly, Like behind the scenes we were tight. We did so much together. We would work eighteen hour days and we would still hang out after we wrapped, Like we would stay on the lot and we would hang out and play darts and sing karaoke, and we just wanted to be around each other, wed each other, and the dynamic I haven't found since. And I went on to stand in for several other actresses on several other shows, and I never had that same dynamic where I felt like these are my family and my friends and I want to hang out with them.

All the time.

Yeah, So it was very special. It was a very special time.

So what was it like watching this episode again?

Oh my gosh.

One I was telling your producer before we started is that I didn't realize the girls were going through so much. I mean, I honestly thought it was about Lauren had bad hair, you know, like she just couldn't get the hair done in town. And the reason being is because I never watched any of the episodes because we were there, we were in it, and watching one, I would always I can't, I can't really just enjoy it when we were actually working on the show, because I was like, oh, that that happened. Oh that's the day I took a nap on the stairs at the Gilmour mansion. You know, you think about everything that was going on in your mind, and so watching it, I was like, oh, I didn't realize all this was happening for the girls. It was

a really intense episode. And you know, remembering that mississ C from Happy Days, you know, it was there the grandmother and remembering I remember there was someone in the background. We were setting up this shot and someone was making a weird noise and she looked at me and she goes stop making that noise. And I was like, oh, missus C just yelled at me and I wasn't making a noise, but I was like, I can't talk disrespectful the mississ C.

You know, it's just fun.

It was fun to watch the episode and have all those memories come back. And now I'm actually intrigued to watch the show, and now I can watch it as a fan and oh, okay.

This is really great.

All right, well, air date on this one February seventeen, two thousand and four. Synopsis A Laura life feels the Laura lies. Let's say, I feel like they're failing when Rory needs to drop a class at Yale because of her schedule is a little heavy and she's falling behind, and Laurala I is running out of money for the in remodel. Meanwhile, Laane moves out of Rory's dormom Director Steve Clancy, writer Amy Sherman to Palladino, Dan Palladino, Dragonfly in Laura le Laura la Michelle Suker at the Dragonfly and Lauralai calls Rory and leaves her a voicemail. Then they get a call for their first reservation. Things are looking up now, Laura Lei then over at Jason's and they're both on the phone over work calls, not able

to connect really on a personal level. Then Emily calls and lets her know Tricks missus c as you refer to her Tricks is coming into town and they need her to go to a luncheon and get a haircut. Laurel and Seeker back at the end, Tom lets them know the bills aren't getting paid, so Laurel I kept that from Suki. Suki was't not aware of that, and she suggests Suki does ask Lorelei to ask Luke for the money because he's old, reliable. Laurele's getting her hair done by you, Patty as Leanne, and she gets to call and Suki isn't at the Dragonfly and to sign for delivery of the sink that is coming in from Canada.

Michelle is busy at his new job, oggling Selene Dion, who is five feet away from him in the lobby, and she leaves her hair appointment while her hair is wet. Horror of horrors, Patty, you were in this storyline as Lorelei's hairdresser. What do you remember about filming that day.

I remember we had a lot of fun.

Behind the scenes. Steve Clancy was excited to be directing. Lauren was excited that I was doing her hair. She didn't want anyone touching her head and so she was comfortable with me, so she was happy about that. We joked a lot behind the scenes. Chris Long stopped by. You know, I got this role because previously, in the same season, episode four, I played woman and it was with you in the diner.

It was right.

Before the Bachelor party that came in late at night to Luke's diner and I was walking out and.

I was basically a swipe. You barely even saw my face. I think I said good night or thank you, and you were like night, And then Dean and his crew came in. Well, Chris Long said to me after it aired, he goes, what'd you think? What'd you think?

And I was like, you know, Chris, would be nice if my mom could actually see my face in an.

Episode see it.

So Chris Long gave got me this part as Leanne, and he dropped the script in my lap one day and he said, hey, too, shot, going to see your face.

Your mom's going to be happy, and you got a name.

So I was really excited and grateful to Chris to give me that, and my mom was really happy.

That's nice. That's so nice my mom to this day. Thanks.

The show is called Glamour Girls.

Ah all right. Every time Tricks is in the mix, we see the generational trauma with this family, especially when she's being extra critical about finances to the whole table at dinner. How would you I mean, she was aiming at Richard too, how would you take this criticism in your own family, Patty and.

My own family, I'd be upset.

I'd be very like, what do you what are you doing? If I was Lauren and Lauren shoes first, I'm the embarrassed. If it was my father and he was being criticized, I'd be embarrassed for him. And you don't want help. You want to make it on your own, you know. And she has to look at the fact that she could be failing and that's hard, and she got to go try try the lukester for some cash. That was a great scene where you're like, oh, thirty thousand, I'm like, ooh, that's a lot of.

Yeah, that's a lot of money. Still is you know, thirty grand Yeah? I thought. I thought Jason Styles was particularly funny in these scenes with tricks and gives her a present and she grills him about why would you give an old lady who you do not know a gift when it's not her birthday, there's no anniversary, there's no occasion for why, and he just he shrinks up, he shrivels up, and it's French, some French antiques. She goes, well, how did you know that? I like just looking at each other. I thought that scene was hilarious. Yeah, it's really great.

She keeps sheeps, calling back to the French antiques too during the lunch.

It's pretty funny.

She's the only woman that's that's you know, maybe funnier and even more obnoxious than than Emily. It's hard to do, uh, all right, So Laurel I goes to look she's she's she's out of money. You know. Tricks takes everybody apart at the dinner table, Laura I because she can tell, because she's a wise and soul. She can tell by the look in Laurel's eyes and talking about how her diner build is going, that she's in big financial trouble.

Tricks can just see it. She she calls her out on it. And then she calls out Richard when he made a bad business decision twenty seven years old, the Tricks had to bail him out of. And I do not recall this scene, Richard standing up for himself like this and telling his mother to stop treating him like he was some kind of incompetent child. That he's gone on to build two very successful companies without her help.

And she decides to leave the table. So Richard showing a bit of backbone here when I forgot about this scene. All right, So Laura I goes to Luke, all right, She's going to take him out to dinner and then drop the big one on him. Need the money, and she just sort of meets him at the truck and sit down on the you know, on the bench out in front of Luke's and breaks down. He comforts her.

It's a tender scene. You like the build up that we're seeing establish a deeper connection with these two. Patty, It's a very nice scene, it really is.

It's a beautiful scene.

You know, there's this tension between you two that I absolutely love, and at that point you were both in a different relationship, so it was really interesting to see it. I remember shooting that scene. I remember being out there and watching it happen real time, and it was really beautiful at the time.

You guys really killed it. It's one of my favorite scenes in the episode.

Well, it's nice to have a great scene partner. I mean, it's always always had a g great scene partner, and Lauren and everybody in this cast, so you know, the way you miss the way you miss it is the way I miss it too, because I've been on other shows and it's not like that. Yeah, all right, So Rory at Yale, Okay, Laine is still living there, Paris is starting to chafe about it, Paris is complaining about everything.

Janet's boyfriend Clee Bold, and I thought, I thought Janet did it. I love Janet just so do I. She she did a great job just pushing back on on what's her name? Paris? Yeah, Paris. And they argue, they argue, and she almost spills about Asher Fleming. She just is busting at the seams to confess to this, to be proud of it, to fly that flag, but she knows she can't. All right, So love those scenes, love it, it really did. And in this Clee Bold, fella, I don't know how we held back with all those insults, but you.

Don't remember him, no offense to him. But there I stood in.

For Janet on that day, and so no, I was there for all of it. They just used me for everyone. I was there every single day, and if Lauren wasn't working, They're like, where else can we stick her?

But yeah, I would even remember that scene with him.

You know, that's a good. That's a good question. How often did Lauren not work because it wasn't very many times, was it? It was very very rare.

I was there every day start to finish, like no, it was pretty crazy. And the only episode that I wasn't there every single day was when they you jump I jumped Jack off the scaffolds right.

When they were doing the light Brigade guys. That.

Yeah, I think I worked like one day that episode.

I was like, what is going on?

I never have time off, but.

It was It's nice to get a little bit of a break. But of course I visited set because I'm that person, and I'm like, I want to hang out with my friends. Everyone became my friends. I had no time for family, I had no time for our friends.

Outside of the show. So if I had a few days off, I was like, I got to stop.

By, you know, like, what's happening?

I want to sing some karaoke.

Right right right, my pals? All right. Rory calls home, leaves Laura I a message about her new job. Dean then calls her to make sure working at the Dragonfly because he's been hired by Tom is okay with Rory. They give each other some life updates. Rory meets up with her professor and he tells her she's overloading herself with classes and that she's struggling should drop his course otherwise if she does in, her paper is a D paper and that's just not Rory. Roy doesn't get d's, she didn't get czed. She rarely gets a B. Rory tries to call Laura l Ime. They keep missing each other.

Rory's getting upset. She rushes home because she's freaking it out of out school. I can't find lauralize. So she talks to Dean at the end, who's working at the end, so they sort of run into each other unexpectedly, and she has what I consider to be her maybe her finest moment on the show. I just the work is.

You know, she's turning out to be one of the top talents on this show. Her work is just so effortless, and it's so you just really can never see her acting, and I just I just she just and she falls apart so beautifully here and I really really, you know, it's about not so much about what she's feeling, but what about I'm feeling as an audience. And I felt so much for her. Felt so bad for her. She's just so adorably vulnerable and broken here, and Dean consoles her.

So that's that's what you hope for both, And both Lauren and Alexis could deliver these you know those you know, high difficulty dives if you will, you know, wonderful to watch. I just I just thought it was such a tender, great scene. I mean, how can you not love her, right, she was the greatest.

Yeah, you know, I thought that too.

Watching it back, I was like, wow, she just really is so natural.

And I mean this is the first real job.

Right, right, that's the word, is natural. Yeah, right, there's nothing. You can't really see any training because there's really no training there. She's getting on the job training watching all of us, and she just nails everything. It's just so It's uncanny, isn't it.

Yeah, it really is. And that was a beautiful scene. I thought there was a moment there was so weird tension. I thought that Dean might reach over for a little kiss. I felt like they might be.

I did too. I did too, And I could read his thought. I could read the thought right because it was louding to me too. He was about to and I think maybe he was directed there as well, But I mean, how can you not feel it, right, right? I love Dean.

Dean was one of my favorites for the Friends. I guess I'm team Dean.

Yeah. Yeah, they did him kind of dirty. Yeah they really did. But he you know, before they did him dirty and after he after, he comes out looking pretty darn good, I think. Yeah. And he really established himself as like the first guy, the first boyfriend, and the cool you know, the cool, tough, smart guy you know that everybody swoons over and Bud he really just had eyes for her man.

Yeah, and as a human being, like, he was one of my favorite people. Like my first day on set, he was so welcoming. I had to be an eyeline for him off camera, and he was.

Just so sweet. He had a he has an old soul.

He was much older beyond his eaters at that time, and he could have a conversation with anybody.

He just was I really really liked him a lot.

Good guy with him, good guy indeed. All right, Laane is in a bit of a situation now, right, She's she's she's like a ping pong ball bouncing around. Yeah, she's living it. Yale with Rory. She's caring for everyone like a dorm room mother.

Uh.

And then after Paris's argument with Janet, which is considerable and deep, Laine tries to consult, uh console Paris and mentioned she knows about Asher. Whoops, Well, if you didn't think that Paris's head could explode any more than it already is, here's one more layer, right, so you know, the ferrari of rage that Paris is shift into even a higher gear to go faster and have more rage.

Runs to Rory, who's working some I don't know, she's checking people in at the library, and she goes ballistic on on on on poor who just is like, you know, what's the big deal. I told one person she's my friend. She's not gonna blab it, you know, Relax.

Yeah.

I found Paris just tiresome in this this episode. It was like, God, you know, there's got to be another color you can paint here. Just tiresome. Yeah. But you know, she does make the point that Lane's gotta go. This is causing too much stress on everybody, but Rory doesn't think so, because Janet and her other roommate what is her name? Escapes, you know, I just don't seem to be according to Rory, Tana, right, Tana, thank you Jackie good, save good, Save for the ball club there, uh Tana.

You know, Ry doesn't think that Tana and Janet are bothered by Lane's presence. So she goes to them and they kind of say, you know, they intimate that. It's like, yeah, it's a little much, it's a little crowded, it's a little you know, we kind of have to talk about it. Yeah, she should probably go you know, she doesn't go here' that's but she doesn't go here. And that's the point, right, Yeah, they're paying all this their parents are paying all this money intuition. So that Rory can you know, let friend and crash on her floor. It's like no, and all right.

So then Rory has to talk with Lane about the Paris argument, and then Lane immediately picks up. As close friends do they pick up on what the real story is, and that is you're out. Yeah, so she understands, and I think that scene showed how close they are as friends and that nobody's getting resentful or bitter over it.

She just knows, and she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to put Rory in a bad spot with her roommates. So she's been a good friend and there's no hard feelings, which is which is really nice to see. All right, So now Laane is back in Star's Hollow and she's going to stay at Laurel's. Laureli doesn't know this yet because she hasn't checked her message, just because she's busy running around like a chicken with her head cut off trying to find money. So she also asked Luke for her job back and he says yes. And then afterwards Lane runs into her mother on the street and she says, I'm staying at Laurele's and all missus Kim says, is where sucks. Yeah.

I was one that I was like, why sock, what is that?

What is that?

Why? You know? I'm at the point now with these two where they just need to like get over it right right, Well, you resolve this stuff, you know, that's your daughter, for God's sake, you know, just just sitter down, resolve it.

Yeah.

Anyway, this is what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping that comes because if I'm if I'm being manipulated by the masters that run this show to this extent, and I know I'm going to get a payoff pretty soon, hopefully, right right, all right, wear socks, big line, big line. And that is missus Kim's version of saying, what I still care? Yeah, But do you think, Patty, do you think Lane sees it that way?

I mean, she's so used.

This is her mom, this is how she's always been, you know, that's the way she's got, you know, that cultural thing where she's very tough, you know, and and Lane wants softness from her mama. But I think just where socks, she's like, Okay, that's what mom can give me, you know, that's what she can give.

And you know, you.

See that moment, a little bit of sadness in Lane's face, like she misses her mom, and yeah, that's what she's always going to get, those kind of statements from her mother.

She just does.

Miss Kim doesn't know how to let down that cultural thing the way she was raised.

You know, well, I kind of feel for missus Kim. She's got the responsibility of being the mother and the father. There's no father around, so she's got to be extra tough. You know, she has to be both figures in one person. And that's an impossible ask, and it is thankless because she she knows that she has to do these things.

She she knows, she sees. Her eyes are wide open about you know, being in the United States, and and and the distractions that are available, and the and the culture is different, and and you know, you know, kids get swept up by their peer groups once they hit puberty and beyond, and then their friends become more influential than their than their parents ever could be in those years.

So it's it's it's fraught with danger. And she understands this. So she's got to be both a mom and a dad, and a really tough dad, a stern dad. So it's a it's a dual role. She should have been paid for her playing both characters, right, the mother and under them.

There's an argument, right, she would agree with that.

She would there's a little bit of an argument there. She she might have had the toughest role in the whole show. Yeah, you know, keeping that stiff upper lip and these very very very tough, tender scenes. Anyway, you know, it's interesting that laurel I and Rory's lives are sort of falling apart a little bit here, and that the people they end up with or going to who console them.

Dean on Rory's behalf and Luke on on laurel Eyed behalf. Do you see any similarities between Dean and Luke.

Yeah, they're the small town guy.

You know, they're the reliable It's like a it's like a wood bey, you know, like a baby blanket. You know, there's reliability there and there's a closeness that you can't They're both going after different things and it's hard, and they always come back to their comfort person. And I think Luke is that for laurel I, and Dean was that for Rory.

So if those two, if Dean and Luke were so similar, then why is Luke so good for Lorelai and Dean according to the fan base, isn't the one for Rory.

I don't know. Maybe because they want to see Rory. I mean, she's going.

To this big college, she's they want to see her evolve past this small town thing. You know, her mom's got the inn. Laurel lies got the inn. I think the fans like her with Logan, liked her with Milo. I go between their cast names and their real name, but yeah, I think they just want to see her evolve, you know, a little beyond stars hollow.

Like Loreal's more of a town y now. She ain't going anything, She's.

Not going anywhere's this is her club, this is the people, yeah right, And Alexis is spreading her wings and getting worlds and.

Dean would hold her back there, you know. So I can't.

I'm not even gonna say it because people get super excited. I just I feel like there's another there's another story that needs to be told, you know, it needs to continue, you know.

Let me bounce this off you, okay, because I you know, I I sort of game theoried this out, you know, and not that I am trying to rub salt in the wounds that Rory can't handle her game theory class at Yale. But if she married Dean, if she married Jess, and she married Logan, let's play that out, okay, Like the baby is Dean, Jess or Logan. Let's do all three scenarios, okay. The one scenario that I okay, So, the one scenario that I keep coming back to in terms of this quality of the storytelling is Logan. And it's because it's because let's consider ten years into that marriage and a second kid. Okay, m hm, so what are they They're in their early thirties and there's two kids.

You do that for Jesse, you do that for Dean, Right, you do that scenario for all three. Who's most likely to cheat? Of those three? And I think it's all of them, But I think if it, I think you have to give the odds. You know that they all will, maybe one to a lesser degree over the other. But if that happens, you think in divorce settlement, and in a divorce settlement, you're going to do really well with Logan. Yeah, and I'm actually being serious now going to You're going to do very very well. So that's going to be good for her. It's going to be good for the children ultimately, and it also helps her to sort of I don't know, I don't see Rory as a vindictive person, but it does sort of, you know, maybe there's a

little satisfaction, you know, getting a little even, you know with Mitcham who wounded her her ego so much with his assessment of her skills as a journalist and her metal as a human being and being not tough enough to be in that business at a high level. So she gets that type of revenge and then not that she's seeking revenge, but it all seems to work out in a Logan marriage scenario with a second kid, and then you've got the storytelling that you were talking about.

How do you continue this storytelling? It's sort of a Gilmore Huntsburger progeny, reliving maybe what is in their DNA and rebelling against all of it, right, rebelling against the Huntsburger side, embracing the Gilmore side, advice versa. But there's that polarity right, right, So I just think that that that's the best case scenario for the continued storytelling. And I'm putting it out there because I'd like to adopt it.

I'd like the powers that be to adopt this, yeah, because I think and I'm open to for the fans to speculate on what a Rory Jess marriage ten years in and second China and a Rory Dean marriage would be, like what what could be you know, above and beyond a divorce settlement but whatever, it doesn't really have to be.

But what's the storytelling, what's the lore of Gilmore girls? How does it continue on with a Dean marriage? To Ry versus a Jess marriage story, because we know, we know about the Huntsburger side of things or how I feel about it, But I think that's something to ponder.

I like the idea that it is Logan.

They do get married, he does cheat, there is a divorce, and she ends up back in her roots.

Back in stars Hollow.

She comes home, she got a nice settlement, she can start any business she wants, and Stars Hollow, and I see Jess coming back into the picture. Dean's got lots of kids with his wife, and you know, I see her and Jess back together, you know. And then then Logan's kind of like a Chris, you know, in a way.

He's kind of and then she wants kind of more of her back to her.

Small town roots. I see him back full circle back home. Well he's got a new daughter, daughter.

Another you know Gilmore girl coming on up.

And then there has to be a daughter. Yeah, maybe maybe two, but yeah, all right, hi gang, you heard it here. First, the speculation continues on what the new storytelling could be. We would love to hear your feedback on it, so everybody, uh, you know, let us know on the socials and keep the cards and letters coming. Patty, thank you so much for your time. We're out of time, but always welcome back and good luck with continued success in your life and career. And remember where y'all lead, we will follow. Stay saved. Everybody know forgain. Follow us on Instagram at I Am All In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com

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