IAAI Town Meeting: Hello Mrs. Kim (Season 4 E14 “The Incredible Sinking Lorelais”)

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I think people were happy to hear you last time. Okay, you know, have a change of pace once in a while. There you go, there you got. So this time we're going to talk about season four, episode fourteen, the Incredible Sinking Laurel Eze And this episode aired on February seventeenth, two thousand and four.

Yeah, yeah, right in the middle of Sweep. So it's like some good, good episodes, like with the just ones. I think that started Sweeps and then they just keep on going.

Yeah. So in this episode, we're getting closer to the opening of the Inn and it's kind of uh, it's kind of tense. There's just a lot of you know, last minute details they're trying to get taken care of and you know, there's the money issue, and so there's just kind of a high tension episode for the for the middle of Sweeps week.

Yeah.

Yes, it's like they're laying out all the problems they're going to be later like addressed. And I like that she's disregulated. They're both disregulated because they haven't been like talking.

To each other. Yeah, you know, code of penci whatever you want to call it.

But you know.

It's good.

It's good because it's laying out the groundwork to like smooth over, you.

Know, right right.

And I liked the mechanism, if that's the right word that they used in this episode, how they had like Loralai and Rory both had their independent but parallel storylines, and the two of them never actually directly spoke to each other in this episode because they were just leaving messages back and forth the whole time. So I thought that was an interesting way to frame the episode, and I thought it really worked because you could see in both of them individually how they were stressed out for their for their own reasons, and they really depended on each other, but they couldn't connect and then that made them, you know, kind of miss each other even more. So I thought it was an interesting way to set up

the episode. I thought it was pretty good.

That's right, like the parallels of it, and even when you know they get comforted by you know, Luke and Laura Lai, and then it's Dean and Rory, so it is like setting up for what we do know what will happen. But yes, I never thought of it as like the parallels. And I never realized they never.

Talked to each other. Well, yeah, really cool.

They can still make a full episode without them talking, like right, have exactly?

Yeah?

Have it be like interesting enough where it's like Rory and Laurel I didn't even talk.

So right exactly exactly. And then we also have kind of the the b story of Lane. So Lane accidentally lets Paris know that she knows about Ashra Fleming, which she wasn't supposed to know about. Yeah, and so Laine gets kicked out of the dorm, which we knew she couldn't be there forever anyways, and then goes back to starrs Hog, gets her jaw back at the diner, goes to stay with Laurel. I. It really touched me when she ran into her mom on the corner outside of Dosie's Market, and she Missus said hello Lane, and Lane says hello Missus Kim like she she just called her mom.

She called her missus Kim And I was like, I know.

I know, I jotted that down too.

I'm like, Missus Kim, Wow, that's like, that's like that line shows the tension between them, Yes, and it is really good, and it was like and then it was like here I go saying like again, it was very visible and in their faces, the way that they acted and they ran into each other. I think Emily Caroda does an amazing job in this episode. Yes where definitely the way she delivered those two words were.

Sucks y.

So funny. This episode and the next one, which of course we'll talk about later. But she, Emily Croda really did an amazing job because you could really see that for all of her like strict rule following this is the way it must be done, you can see that she's like realizing, Okay, maybe this this method of parenting isn't having the effect that I thought it would be.

Like you can see he's pained about the situation, you know, with Lane. And in contrast to Emily Gilmore, not Corona, you know, Emily Gilmore blames Lareli for everything, whereas you can see with missus Kim, she's you can see on her face she's a little more introspective about it and like, okay, you know, realizing that maybe she has a role in this breakdown and communication between her and her daughter. So it's an interesting parallel.

Yeah, that's true, because she is realizing, like her deep rooted traditional values are they have you have to you have to evolve with the times, you know, and maybe she's having trouble evolving and realizing like the pain that she's in as a mother to like she's doing this to her daughter.

And the same with Lane too.

Lane, you know, like their relationship even though you know it's painful to not live your full self, you know, in that kind of household, but it's also it's your mom, you know, so right, it is difficult, and you do see kind of the two relationships as.

Well, because you bring up that parallel.

What about about this parallel Lane and tricks, Emily, Emily Corona, Missus Kim, Yes, Dames mixed up and tricks, because then you see that parallel of like the strictness.

And all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's a good point. And Tricks is even like another generation older, yeah, you know, than Missus Kim. So she's like really rooted in and she's got like the whole like this is the proper way to behave in society. It's it's not driven by like a religious belief like it is with Missus Kim, but rather like then the class level, right, Zach exactly.

So yeah, that's a good point. I haven't I hadn't even thought about that comparison, but that's.

I just thought of it when you were saying parallels. I was like, wait, there's another one too.

Yeah. Lots of good, lots of good mother daughter stuff on all fronts going on in this episode.

You know what I did think of if we're going to talk about Tricks. Do you watch Downton Abby.

I watched it when it aired.

I have not seen it in a while.

So you know Maggie Smith's characters, Victoria Dowager when she was when Trix was wearing that like Victorian era like look, I was like, why is she reminded me of somebody?

I one old maid the Card Game.

I don't know.

I'm a millennial, So I wanted people know that one, and then two, I was like, she reminds me of Maggie Smith's character of how like she delivers her lines and how she's like so crude but with her one liners soaeah with reactions, you know, it's like, especially with Jason Styles and the gift that was horrible. But I was like, oh, that's why, because I love Love down to Nat. I've rewatched it several times, and so that's why I was like, something reminds me of her.

So yeah, that's a good point. I didn't think about that, but you're right. But yeah, grand totally dresses like it's like eighteen ninety five. Yeah, yeah, exactly, It's like, yeah, you know, it's two thousand and four.

Yeah.

And then later Marion Ross plays Marilyn, the cousin who would tend Tricks's funeral, and I'm just like.

What in the like am I in in in? What's that movie?

Like Christopher Nolan movie that like goes into different worlds?

Oh yeah, yeah, I can't think of the name right now. I was gonna I forgot what it was gonna be about Tricks. I forgot what I was gonna say, but I'll think of it later. Okay, but yeah, Tricks Tricks was was great, and like you say, you know, it's the relationship between Tricks and Emily, even though it's not exactly mother daughter because Tricks obviously isn't Emily's mother, but you know, definitely a comparison. You could just see how it goes down the generations, like Emily treats Loral I like crap, and then Tricks treats Emily like crap, and it's just it just keeps repeating the cycle. You know, Lorala is going to be the one to break it.

So yeah, you can see the she's breaking the generational you know, cycle of that treatment, which is really nice.

And I think that's the whole point. And that's why this show is so good.

It is because you can see the different relationships of generations with mother and daughter, because there are mothers like that that exists, and thankfully.

Mine isn't like that.

Yes, agreed, agreed, mine isn't either. My I always had more like a Lorella I Rory relationship with my mom because she she had me when she was twenty so wow, she was a pretty young mom. So we were always like close when I was growing up. I was also an only child and single mom, and so yeah, oh that's nice.

Everybody can really.

See yeah, and see, there's always there's something for everyone in this show.

Now, I have a question for you. I don't know if you'll know this. What exactly is game theory? What is that is?

What kind of topic is that? What is that?

Like?

Is it war topics? What is that? I jomped that down because I was.

Like, you know, I don't actually know.

I always thought it was like a statistical thing, but we might have to google that because I don't actually know for sure.

It's a study of strategic decision making or the outcome for each participant depends on.

The actions of others. Hmmm, that's at least what Google AI says. Huh, why would she be taking that class?

Yeah, I don't know.

That sounds like a like a philosophy classes department.

Mathematical MODELSGIC interaction. It can be used extensively in economics, logics, system science, and computer science.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe she was taking because she's Sometimes they say she's an English major, and sometimes they say she's a journalism major. I think what I've read in that Yale doesn't have a journalism major in real life. So I don't know if she's like taking that as an elective because it wouldn't fit into either one of those majors. Yeah, I don't know that. It's just I wonder how they decided to make it that class.

That's like why that class and maybe because it was like kind of far fetched for what she was doing. But yes, I thought that Yale doesn't have a journalism major, like a communications with an emphasis and journalist.

So that's what I've read and I have not independently confirmed that, but I have seen, you know, debates about it because I can't remember the episode is where they mentioned it, but I know they mentioned in two different places the major is different, like one it's English and then it's journalism or vice versa. But so, yeah, so we don't know what her degree actually would have been in.

But yeah, yeah, that's that's weird.

They never specify it because we're very very she's very like I'm going to Yale and yeah, it's not like a what did you get your degree in?

Right? So I happened to be in Burbank this past weekend. I went, my husband and I did. So it's full. It's kind of a long story, but we went on this. They call it a road trip, although it wasn't so much of a road trip for us because we live in southern California. But it was a group called the Society for Commercial Archaeology, and they are they study like vintage like mid century buildings and commercial things, and they had they have an annual meeting and it's all over the country, like every year it's in a different place.

Last year it was in Niagara Falls. Well, this year it happened to be in La So my husband and I signed up for it to go see all these cool sites and so it was three days of walking tours all over Los Angeles. So we were staying at the Safari Inn, which is it's a vintage boutique hotel that's right across the street from Disney Studios. It's on Olive and right down the street there's a restaurant called the tally Rand. And so I noticed in this episode that that's the name of the hotel where Michelle is working.

Because remember Laura like calls him to see if he can come for the sink delivery, and he like answers the phone Tali Rand, and so I just wondered, like, yeah, they the writers use that, right, So like if they were using like this is a famous restaurant that's been there for decades, and so I just wondered like if that was where they got the name.

You like saw it and then you like watch the episode and you're like, oh hey, yeah.

And I even asked my husband, I'm like, that name is familiar, and I said, didn't they use that in the show? And you know, of course, my husband's like I don't know.

But then so then when I.

Watched this episode, I was like, oh my god, that's where I heard Tally ran.

Yeah, that's cool. Is your husband an archaeologist or no?

No, he just he just tags along when I make him do things.

Okay, are you cause you're a pharmacist and so, but you like archaeology stuff.

So yeah, so I like, I love learning about local history and so yeah, I will often just we'll just go drive around and look at old buildings and stuff. And it's kind of weird.

Okay, No, it's not weird because when I was in my true crime era, I went to like all the places that the true crime happened.

Yeah, and it's really cool, like seeing some of these places and thinking, like the tour that we did on Saturday was a walking tour of all of the old movie palaces, like the ones that they built from like nineteen ten to nineteen the golden era of cinema. And a lot of those theaters are still there and they've been like repurposed or they may just be sitting vacant, but they were beautiful inside. And the tour guide is a preservationist and so he actually had access to a lot of these theaters, so he could get us inside and they're not open to the public at all, but he could get.

Us out on Broadway on Broadway. Did you go down to Broadway?

Yeah, the exactly, the Millennium Theater, the like the Mayan Theater.

Yeah, we saw so many. We saw the Mayan, we saw the United Artists, we saw the Palace. Like I can't even like think of all that's so cool. But it was so cool. And you go inside and a lot of them are still intact, you know, from one hundred years ago. They've got the paintings and like there's so in the.

History of la in downtown.

It's so cool because it's like, oh yeah, it was before and then Hollywood came in and took it over. You know, everybody went there but back in the day. Yes, I like that stuff too, And there's like Clifton's down there if you ever yeah, if you ever needed it, I'm into that stuff too, So you can.

I'll send you the link.

I'll send you the link to the event that we did, and you can see all the places that we went, like on there. It was super cool. It was freaking exhausting because it was or five miles a day of walking and it was ninety degrees.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, I'll go in the winter time. It was really hot. But yeah, it was a super fun trip. But I saw all like in different places. I saw a little like Gilmore related things, and one I saw Lauren's star on the Walk of Fame, which he just got. So I saw that when we were walking to the pantages, I think, and there was oh okay, here's one that I saw it and I immediately heard Emily's voice And I can't remember if it was in episode, if it was this episode, or if it was the next episode.

I think it was this episode when Emily makes the comment about how Richard's mustache makes him look. Richard says he likes the mustache because it makes him look like Adolph Monjou, and then Emily makes a comment about or Adolph Monju's cocaine dealer. And I never knew who Adolph Monjou was. And then as we were walking on Hollywood Boulevard, and we were across the street from the Chinese Theater, and we're walking down a Hollywood boulevard and I look down and right there it says Adolph Manju, He's got a star on the Walk of Fame.

So I watched this episode. It's I saw it.

I heard Emily's voice saying Adolf man Jus crack or cocaine dealer, and so I google it. He was an actor back in the day. And if you look at the picture, he really does look like Richard with the mustache. I unfortunately didn't see it quick enough to get a picture of it, but.

I got this episode. I think that is next episode, isn't it.

I can't remember if it was the I know she she makes fun of his mustache in both episodes, and it might be it might be the next one.

Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so cool.

Well, yeah, Palladino is like really into that history stuff because like, yeah, she does all these like pop culture mentions, and it's just some of them are very old and some of them are very like inside Baseball, you have to know this scene ready to make it.

Like this, you know, and it's like, yeah, but it is.

That's one of the things I love about those pop culture references is that there's literally something for everyone. Like some of them are so old you don't understand what they are, and some of them are so recent you don't understand what they are.

Like when Emily says sex in the city and I'm just like, oh, yeah, you make.

Fun of bloor line. Yeah, there's some newer ones that they say that like I'm trying to remember, Okay, what were we talking about in two thousand and four that was relevant? But you know, like refer to specific celebrities, and then some of them are like this that it's like referring to an actor you know who.

Yeah, that's cool. That's really Yeah. La is so full of so much history.

It's more than just like san mank up here in the Hollywood science Like, if you dig deep into it, it's it's really cool. On how the movie and film industry started and all that. So anyways, people, if you ever visit, come look into it.

So we we digress.

But that was.

That was how I spent my weekend. And I saw some other gill More stuff that I'll try to I did put one thing on Instagram yesterday, so you can look at my.

I did see that and I couldn't figure it out.

Oh so a diamond dance.

Yeah, so we were at the one of the first places we stocked was the Museum of Neon Art in Glendale. They had this It was like a sculptural figure of a devil and then there's an animated Neon that says a diamond dance at the bottom. And there was an episode and I actually have to refresh my memory which episode it actually was, but there's an episode where Emily tells Loralai, don't wear the stockings with the seam up the back because you look like a diamond dance.

Oh that's like recent. I think it was like one or two episodes ago. I okay, line, it's because she's asking her to fill the seats in the charity.

Oh, that's right, that's right.

It was when they had that empty table and they had to.

That was like one was that, wasn't it?

Yeah?

Yeah, okay, so yeah, that's why it was freshing how their dias.

Is your little trip and it's like these episodes that we're talking about.

Yeah, exactly. So it's so random. So everything always like comes together in my life like that. It's so weird.

Yeah, you're on the right path.

Yeah.

Oh and then we went to the I was I thought of you because we went to the farmer's market.

Oh yes, and we went to the market, right.

You saw like the replica of the Gilmore gas station. Yeah, very Gilmore Girls got its name from. So yeah, it all comes full circle, I know, right, especially with my college circle. As Laurel I would say, so let's see, okay, so now you heard all about my weekend. Did we have anything else for this episode? I just want to say Laurel like crying in the park and Luke comforting her.

That is my favorite Luke and Laurel I seen in the entire series, even like after they get together, this is still my favorite scene. It's just it's just such a sweet moment. And you know, we see the soft shell Luke inside the hard shell, and yeah, and I just I love that moment.

I love how he's just listening to her too, and he's not like trying to because some people like, well like okay, I'm gonna solve it right now. He's just letting her kind of break down. And also I loved how deep it was for her to say that, because I like, I was single for a long time and I, you know, like until my late thirties, and I remember feeling that way. Sometimes you you love your life, you like everything. And I just related to that monologue so much because I'm like, sometimes you just want somebody to just like be there and support you and yeah, you know, help you build your dreams along the.

Way right how to like pressure off.

Yeah, I like that she put that in there for like us single gals that felt that way, and the gals now they are feeling that way. You know. It's like you're doing everything you can. Sometimes it's just overwhelming and sometimes you just need a breakdown. And it's so nice that in that moment, that's Luke for her and so that's given us a little taste of what's to come.

But also it's just that's so beautiful to see that friendship and yeah, and the iconic pink coat.

Yes, yes, oh my god, the pink coat. I love the pink coat. And it was interesting to me, I don't think, because then, of course there's the parallel meltdown that Rory has with Dean. That one really didn't land for me because I don't know this. We all have acknowledged in the past that Alexis is not a good fake crier. Yeah, so it doesn't come across as real.

And the way I think she was like like she was trying to catch her breath, like she was crying, it came out like panting and it was like she had just run a marathon or something. And yeah, it just I don't know, it didn't hit home in the same way. And so it was kind of a negative comparison to me, like laurelies melt down versus Rory's meltdown.

It was like, here's how to do it versus how not to do it. And I don't think they meant it to come out that way, but.

That's no, no, And I just felt like Laurel Lives was more deep, you know, like, and I know Rory at that time at that age, college is your life and that's deep and maybe just now where I'm at my life now, I just like relate to Lareli more. But I do agree, Yeah laurel Lies was a little more, yeah for sure.

Yeah.

Anyways, this episode.

That's all I had.

It's this is a great episode. I think I said on the last time, I love the middle of season four, So like these are my favorite episodes to watch, Like I could just watch them over and over and over.

I have one thing.

Yeah, when missus Kim and Lane are talking and Lane is carrying a bag full of groceries and there's like greens in there and she knows she's stay at Laurelize, and I'm like those.

Are not going to be eaten at Laurelize.

I was like there's like lattice or some sort of greens, and I'm like, you know, if you're going to Laurelize, you better fill that with like you know, pop tarts and donuts and yeah you know.

Yeah, well maybe Lane was going to eat the salad, like maybe she was flying groceries for herself.

I know, I know.

I thought that was a nice little like a thing I noticed today. Yeah, great episode overall.

Yes, So next time we are going to talk about season four, episode fifteen, Seen in Them All another classic episode. Can't wait to get into that one. So we'll see you next week and meeting a journed.

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