I Am All In…Again: In Omnia Paratus (Season 5 E7 “You Jump, I Jump Jack”)

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Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson, iHeartRadio Podcast, 111 Productions, iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast. We have... what amounts to be the, one of the biggest episodes in all of Gilmore girls, season five, episode seven. And we have, it's a, you jump by Jack. I jumped Jack November two, 2004, but we have a special guest, Catherine Bayless. She played gorilla girl also known as, and you know, a lot of, a lot of girls wanted to be gorilla girl, but Catherine snagged the role.

And as part of the Life and Death Brigade. And we had her on 2023. Now she's back to recap her iconic episode, You Jump, I Jump. Jack, welcome. Catherine Bailiff. How are you doing?

Hello, Scott Patterson. How are you doing?

Great, great, great to have you back. This is one of the most iconic episodes of the entire series. And to top it off, it was directed by Kenny Ortega. There you go. Tell us more about working on this episode with Kenny.

Um, well, first of all, working with Kenny Otrego was iconic and who knew that the episode was going to be iconic. But, um, I remember walking into the table read and I almost like couldn't even talk. He's so fabulous. And he did dirty dancing and I'm a dancer. And, um, we could have been best friends if I was on a couple more episodes, I think, but like I'm obsessed with Kenny and he just is, um, an actor's director and, And I remember he was just so personable and he would really get in there and dig with you. And he didn't treat anyone differently. Like it was like, you could be an extra. And he was like, Hey, you over there, let's, let's come up with something for you.

Like he always had something for people to do. And I think Kenny, that's where his light shines and he loves movement. So he likes busyness around. And when I was watching the episode just a little while ago, I was like, wow, everyone's doing something fun and, in the background, no matter where you are. And I think Kenny just has that touch.

You know, that is a very astute observation. He is a master of movement and, you know, and this is what we always try to bring to bear in rehearsals, especially in the diner is movement, movement, movement, life, life, life. You know, there's constant movement. There's large movements. There's tiny little microscopic movements and they all add up to make it seem real and he is absolutely an expert uh in that um how often do you hear from fans Catherine if they recognize you this that this is one of their favorite episodes they ever they ever come up to you and approach you and tell you how great this episode.

Is you know they do you know it's funny my voice is very recognizable so people hear my voice and they go wait And they're like, wait, you're that girl. You're that girl from Gilmore Girls. And also One Tree Hill because, you know, both under the big CWWB roof. But, you know, this is so weird. But the other day I was tagged on Instagram, right? And I went to the little like video or whatnot. And it was these girls that reenact the whole You Jump, I Jump, Jack episode.

And one girl was me. And it was the all in Omnia Paradas thing. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. These are grown women. I mean, like, like these, but the cool thing about this whole revival of Gilmore Girls from like the 2000s is like, these kids weren't even like born yet that are watching it now, you know? And I'm like, wow. And they're obsessed. And, you know, I feel like because the moms are like my age now or whatever, and then you've got these younger girls and it's a mom and daughter show, you know, it's family too, but it really rings true to like the mom and daughter dynamic. And but, you know, I forget so many times, like the pacing of Gilmore Girls.

And I wish I could have been on there more episodes because like that's my jam because I talk so fast. But y'all are so talented. You and your crew. I mean, man, it is it was so tight and it was just a well old machine. And the Palladinos, man, they rock.

That was just pure fear. Fear. Fear. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

No, you're not.

You know what? You know what? I was just in, I just spent the weekend in Amsterdam at a big convention there. And the thing that is amazing about this expansion of this fan base is that, you know, middle school girls and girls younger than that are discovering the show and they come to the convention. They've never come to a convention before. They have no idea what to expect coming to a fan convention. And they drive, drive, drive for hours and hours. Some coming from Germany, some are coming from France. And here they are in Holland.

And they've only watched one season. They just discovered it like last week.

What?

They just became aware of the show a week ago. They've seen one, you know, maybe some of them have even seen just 10 episodes. And here they are driving for hours and hours and they want to say hello. And it's wild. It's wild how quickly the hook is sunk in to these fans. It's an amazing show.

Kudos to y'all for like literally going and being the great people that you are and saying, hey, we want to meet you. Thank you for watching. Because I always say as an actor, I think the audience, I think that you're the only reason we're out here doing what we do. If we didn't have an audience, we wouldn't be doing what we do. You know what I mean?

Exactly.

Yeah.

And I tell them that every time, like we do big panels and they show up and there's a thousand of them. And it's just like, I thank them every single time. I'm like, thank you because man, without you guys, we don't have jobs. But all right. How do you feel watching your episode back again? Did it, did it stir up any emotions?

Are you kidding me? I didn't remember a bunch of stuff. I know we talked about this three years ago, but like, whoa, I remember specifically like moments. I remember that. First of all, I remember getting the role and freaking out and like legit. I think we talked about this last time. My role to get it. I just had to act drunk. And I mean, there's a hard, it's hard to act drunk.

Let me tell you that.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

So I did that, I guess, very well. But I had already auditioned for other stuff with, you know, casting and Jamie and Casey. But yeah, watching it back, I was like, wow, I was really young. Like, I mean, that was 20, 24, no, 22 years ago. 22 years ago. I just stepped foot into L.A. I'd only been there for two years.

Wow.

So going back and watching and how much I've grown as an actress, but also just seeing how cool it is to see another character. Because I was on another show, hit the floor for a long time. And just to see me doing another character was interesting. But it was really. Nostalgic. I'll say that much because, but I feel like some of the, some of the scenes and some of the dialogue was way above its time. Like it's very current now. Some of the stuff that we talked about, that's what I was kind of noticing as well. And I just, I kind of, I kind of miss that era of our life, like the 2004s, you know what I mean? But it was, it was a very humble time too. Like, I don't know.

I think the Palladinos had a crystal ball. Me too. Or they made a deal with the devil or something. I don't know what the heck happened. Yeah. But how does something like this just happen? I think there's some supernatural background here. We're going to get into that. We'll have Amy on the show and we'll go and really put her feet to the fire. How did this happen?

I have seen the Palladino since working on the show because I was going to tell you this. I didn't tell you this last time. This is crazy. So you know y'all did the revival, right?

Uh-huh.

Well, I get a call for an audition to come in and play a role. And I'm going, you mean Stephanie? They're like, no, another role. And I'm like, huh.

Okay.

So I didn't think the Palladinas were going to be in my casting session. Oh, they were. And I walk in and I'm getting ready. I'm talking to them and they go, huh, wait. We know you. I was like, i was like yeah you do you know and i'm like wait you were in life and death brigade i'm like yep i'm stephanie like oh my god and i'm sure their wheels were like turning because this character was not stephanie you know what i mean but they could have like could have made her that came back or whatnot but uh it was very interesting i didn't get the role but i was like golly i wanted them to be like hmm let's bring her back but Talk about bringing back. They did want to bring me back, but I got One Tree Hill and, you know, North Carolina,

Los Angeles, it was too far away to do both roles. So, yeah, but they don't miss the beat.

Let's get into it. Synopsis, Luke officially meets the Gilmore's In a boyfriend capacity in Rory Enters the World of Secret Societies at Yale, Kenny Ortega directed. Dan Palladino wrote it. Rory and the Life and Death Brigade. Here we go, Catherine. Rory's listening to a voicemail from Dean. Poor Dean. That guy.

Saying he's too busy to meet up. Oh, Dean, what a mistake. And it seems like she isn't interested that much anyway, but she perks up when she receives a mysterious message from the Life and Death Brigade. Rory heads to the event, a black SUV, blindfolded with Logan, Finn, Stephanie, your character, and Colin. And it's a fancy camp out where everybody's dressed. It's a safari theme. Nobody is saying E's.

They're not saying the letter E's. She talks to Stephanie about what's going on. but she can't say much and suggests that she gets in line for Logan. Uh, whatever that means. Uh, Rory takes a break away from the campground. Logan joins her and lays out the conditions of her story. No pictures, no names, no physical descriptions, no identification of their location and must agree not to interfere with the integrity of the event. Man, this must've cost somebody a pretty penny. It's a pretty, pretty elaborate setup. Uh, The next morning, Logan asked Rory to wear a blue ball gown for the event where everybody's playing games and there's a big scaffolding almost seven stories high. Logan tells Rory

there's an open spot to jump because Finn isn't able to. He convinces her by naming a lot of famous journalists who participated in their story saying she needs a little adventure. It'll be a thrill. Something stupid, something bad for you, just something different. You know, he says his famous... famous quote, which a lot of fans know and love, people can live 100 years without living for a minute. You climb up here with me, it's one less minute you haven't lived.

And he should have continued, and it might be your last minute living, but what the hell? Take a shot, kid. She musters up the courage, climbs, and right before she jumps, she says, you jump, I jump, Jack. The line from Titanic. It holds Logan's hand I wonder if Amy had to pay a royalty to James Cameron for the usage of that. Well, that's another question that I need to ask her if she ever deigns to come on this podcast. No pun intended.

Holds Logan's hand. She joyfully and she's joyful. She calls it all at once in a lifetime experience. Back home, someone knocks on her door in a gorilla mask, champagne or camera on the doorstep. She looks at photos. of her big jump and smiles. This is a pretty grand set. And you mentioned in your previous chat, you had a shoot all night with the Life and Death crew. What was the environment like on those long shoots?

Well, honestly, I remember everyone just kind of, I don't know, being in the dark. I remember it was very dark. They didn't really have a lot of lights going on. You know what I mean? So they made it moody. And I remember all of us can, you know, sit around and wait. That's what we do on set. But we became pretty tight, like all the boys and me, because that's what it was. It literally was part of the boys crew. And I became pretty close to Alexis too. Like, you know, I love it when actors are loose enough to like, you know, okay, we're going to put this aside, put our roles aside right now. And just like, you know, become friends a little bit because you're in each other's faces 24 seven. You know what I mean? You don't

want to be, you know what I mean? So now I do remember, really becoming close to everybody. And it felt like longer than eight nights. You know what I mean? That we shot or whatever it was back then. Was it eight days, an episode or 10? I forget.

Eight. Eight. Okay.

Yeah. So no longer because we were all over the place. We were in, I remember we were up in some Hills shooting that scene. Then we were at Disney ranch doing the jump scene. And then we were on, you know, the lot doing the suburban scenes and everything. So jumping around.

All right. Well, the jumping scene is the most memorable in the episode of this of this narrative. But what more behind the scenes details can you give fans?

Well, on the Disney branch, the jumping scene, I mean, nobody knew this. And I think I mentioned this last time. There were bees everywhere. It was awful. Kenny had us with champagne. You know, it was bright or some kind of.

Oh, yeah.

So the bees were swarming us. And I mean, he's like, can you please not make faces? You're very happy. You're not swatting at the bees. There's no bees. And I'm like, we're going to get bitten. But I remember that was one of the ones that like, nobody knew about that. I remember there were definitely, you know, body doubles, a lot of body doubles for the jumping scenes and whatnot.

I remember Logan and Alexis, or Rory jumping from a teeny tiny little box down.

You know what I mean?

Like they wanted to catch every single nuance. So they made it look unbelievable, you know, but there were a lot of bits and pieces that they got to that.

Right. Well, Rory's being pushed out of her comfort zone and a whole new world is opening up with Mr. Logan being introduced into the show. What, what are you, are your impressions of the two of them so far?

First of all, they're completely like opposite, you know, I mean, she meets him, she's intrigued.

Right.

And obviously this is what Stephanie was trying to say, like get in line. Like every single girl wants him, you know, he's hot. Like, and he's kind of like a bad boy situation, but, um, but she, she, something she, I think feel like she's never gone after or somebody like that after her, she's used to all the other Gilmore boys.

Um, but right. Right.

But I think their chemistry was pretty right on from the beginning, the two of them. And I tell you what, Matt Zucree, I think I said this before, but he's like one of the like hardest working actors. When I, when I saw him preparing, I was like, dude, this guy is in it. I mean, just saying he he's, he's really, really, really great actor. And so, and so is Alexis. I mean, she, she's everything. She's just listening and with you and giving, but yeah, But, yeah, I knew from after that episode, I was like, they're going to get married or something.

Yeah. That's my hope. I like him best for her. Who do you like for Rory? This is the question that they want us to be obsessed with. So let's get obsessed with it.

Who do I like?

All right. Do you like Dean? You like them together? You like them? He's the baby daddy. You like that one. Dean.

Dean.

Yeah. Okay. I guess, I guess, I guess not. You don't have to answer that. All right. What about Jess? Jess, you want Jess? You think he's so cute? He's such a cute boy.

Everybody likes to look at him for sure.

Okay. So looks fade. Let's go. What's left? He gets into an industrial accident. He's not as good looking anymore. So what's the deal? Are they together? So you have a good soul, good heart. You think he's going to mature. I think he's going to be successful. Or is it Logan? Who do you like? Who do you like?

I'm kind of biased of Logan.

Yeah. I kind of do too. I've come around to Logan.

I do. Yeah.

I agree. I agree. All right. Luke meets the Gilmores. Boyfriend capacity. And they really had to search all the shops that were open for that capacity. Emily finds out about Luke through Kirk, of all people. So now she insists on meeting him. And of course, when Emily calls you to the castle, you must come, even though they've already met. But in a boyfriend capacity, no. Lauren doesn't want Luke to do it, but he agrees anyway. Yep.

Because if he doesn't agree, we don't have an episode. And I knew that. The night has come and Emily calls Luke's diner and his rustic truck and off offers him a beer and talks about eating roadkill at a diner. Isn't she something Emily? What a charmer. Uh, it's like, what is this person doing up from steerage? Get rid of him. Uh, Lorelai tries to tell Luke she's talking down to him. But he reassures her he can handle it. Afterwards, see, this is not what you love about Luke. He's just like, yeah, whatever. Yeah.

Don't bother me. He holds his frame. He knows who he is. He's not, you know. He knows how that this is just born out of insecurity that this woman is so tough.

There you go.

Afterwards, Luke complains about Emily's talent of insulting him without being direct. Does he complain? Anyway, Richard then calls Luke at his diner and wants to meet for golf the next day. So Lorelei disapproves and calls Richard and asks him not to go. But Richard says Emily got to meet him, so he should get his chance as well.

Luke shows up at the country club, buys his own clubs, tries golfing. Boy, that must have cost him a pretty penny to buy his own clubs at that country club. Must have been a fortune. He tries to golf. He's not very good. Richard brings up franchising Luke's diner. Hey, there's an idea. Huh? Is anybody listening? He has plans and goes on and on about everything. All right, so Luke makes a call to Lorelei while he is drunk.

He's had a few drinks at the country club, saying he agreed to franchising, and he has an art dealer now. It's so funny. Emily then comes to the pool house later and yells at Richard for parading Luke around the club and that he shouldn't support this relationship because he isn't good enough for Laurel. You know what? Emily needs to make up her damn mind about her daughter. She's either not good enough and she's ridiculed and shamed and silenced at every Friday night dinner or she's too good for, you know, regular folks, right? Yes.

I know a lot of these women. I'm from the South.

Yes.

A lot of mamas. A lot of mamas are like this. Emily, let me tell you, I ain't going to name no names now.

Well, I think it's only natural. Every mother wants the best for her daughter. I get it. Laura seems like herself with Luke. That's the beauty of it. He doesn't find it odd. I mean, he does at times, but he just likes it. He likes her shtick. And Lorelei's happy about this. It's hard to find somebody that lets you be yourself, isn't it? It's not easy. And Emily and Richard are stuck, sticking to their guns, and they don't really notice her happiness. Of course, they're not paying attention to the right things. Luke steps up to the plate, wants to do this for Lorelai, which is admirable. How do you think he handled both Emily and Richard?

Oh, I was shocked. He's probably the most chill, down-to-earth character I've ever seen. I felt like he didn't put on a show. He just was himself. That's what it was. It's like, okay, I am what I am. You get what you get. And that's why Lorelai loves him. That's why America loves Luke, because he is so opposite than the Gilmore's.

Yeah, he's the antidote to snobbery.

I love it.

Isn't he?

100%.

He just doesn't like people in a different way, in a very appealing way. Yeah. Good old Luke. Anyway, all right, let's get to Lane and Zach. Now, when I say Lane and Zach, what do you think, Catherine? Do you automatically go to Lane and Dave? Do you miss Dave Rogalski? No.

I think Lane and Zach is a cute little quirky relationship.

Right.

I think they kind of fit. I mean, there's their little awkwardness and that scene when they're like, uh, this is a date. I think the guy sits and be like, wait, but last night I said here, no, no, no, tonight, no, no, it's a date tonight. Like, the writing's so cute.

All right, so Zach comes to Luke's diner with Lane and Lane's working. And he tells her he's ready now to take her on a date. She smiles. She lights up. All right, so then Zach picks up Lane for their date at their apartment where they both live, but they end up just hanging out in the living room. Brian joins them, but they shoo him away. to Lane's room as we all have done we have all had Brian's buzzing around in our teenage and 20s years and shooed them away Zach and Lane finished a movie and a pizza date in the living room they tell each other goodnight at Lane's door but Brian is asleep on her bed geez Zach throws him over his shoulder and they kiss not Zach and Brian don't kiss it's Lane and

Zach are kissing but he's still holding Brian All right, so Lane and Zach are starting their courtship. You think they're a good pair? I mean, it's a little awkward, right?

No?

Oh, yeah.

It's totally awkward. But that's kind of what you like about it, the awkwardness.

That's what I like about it. Yeah, I'm a little skeptical. I want to see how this develops. I'm like a lot of fans. I miss Dave Rogalski. I thought he was the most excellent chap and clever person. and knows how to handle Mrs. Kim. I think we are yet to see Zach and Mrs. Kim in a scene together. Maybe I just can't remember it, but I don't know that he would fare as well. All right, so look, what are you up to these days? Enough about this show and this great episode. Katherine, what are you up to these days?

Well, the last time I talked to you, you asked me a question. about who you're all in for. And I said, well, I'm pregnant. And now that's three years later and I have a beautiful three-year-old son.

Oh, that's been nice. Oh, that's so great.

Name is Miles.

Oh my God.

He is the love of my life. So is my husband.

Isn't that wonderful to have a son? Isn't it just the best? That's your first child?

First and only.

Oh my goodness. Oh, Yep. Yep. It is.

I mean, he is just, and he's got this huge personality and I have a big personality too, you know, but, but, you know, I love to sing and dance and he just, I think he's going to just enjoy the arts, which makes me happy. Like last night I went to the theater to see the sound of music at the teapot here in Nashville. And he just wanted to go so badly, you know, and three, three, That's my life right now.

I'm a mom and enjoying every single minute of it. You know, the first, I tell you, three years are pretty tough. I mean, granted, they can say no to you a lot more.

You know, he hasn't discovered dad yet, but he will. And then you'll miss him. You'll get jealous. About five years old, they notice dad. Oh, yeah. But listen, I know people tell you this all the time, but it goes fast. I blinked and my son's 12 and it's just so wild. It's just so wild. Time compresses when you have children.

One kid. One kid.

Yeah. We got it right the first time. It's just, it's the best. It is the best. It's daily miracles, daily laughter, all day laughter. Yeah. You know, lack of sleep, all that stuff. So what? It's just so worth it.

It's just weird. I'm talking to you now, but when I was pregnant with him, I was like, what is your life going to be like? You have no clue. Who is going to be this human? What's he going to look like? What's he going to talk like? And now that he's here, I'm like, wow, he's perfect to me.

Yeah, that's right.

That's what I'm talking about.

It's just so amazing. So that's great news. I don't know how we can top that. No. It was wonderful talking to you. Get back to your son. He needs you. Thank you for your time. And you're always welcome back.

Thanks, Scott.

Whether you're in an episode or not. And best fans on the planet, even in Holland. It's amazing how this show makes people react. I hear the same things from fans in Holland or Germany or the UK or Europe. Southern United States or Canada, it's, it's, it's just this sort of experience that people have this therapeutic kind of medicinal experience that people have with this show. And I meet so many boyfriends and husbands who say, she watches it all the time, man. I say, I know, I know.

And he goes, you know what? It's pretty damn good show. I said, yep, it is, you know? So to the guys out there, I salute you. And, uh, Thanks for coming on. And best fans on the planet, remember, where you lead, we will follow. Stay safe, everyone. Hey, everybody, don't forget, follow us on Instagram at I Am All In Podcast and email us at gilmore at iheartradio.com.

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