IAAI Town Meeting: A Bizarre, Aged Down Moment for Rory

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Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of I'm All In Town Meeting with myself, Tara, and Suzanne.

Hello. Hello.

Suzanne, we're in fall. It's basically fall.

Yes.

It is September. The pumpkin spice lattes are back. Yes. I just needed to get cooler.

I actually had to put long sleeves on this morning. I was actually chilly for the first time in weeks.

What time?

Because I walked the dog at eight this morning and I was wearing a short sleeve shirt.

It was, gosh, it was probably around then.

Okay. Well, you're a little closer to the beach than I am.

Yeah.

We had a little breeze this morning, which was a welcome change.

It was the first morning that, well, not the first, but one of the many mornings that I did not, was.

Not sweating my face off walking the dog.

Yes. We had so many weeks of hot air for.

It was humid. Yeah. There was like humid rain. Yeah.

Yeah, very sticky, yeah.

But it's funny.

My friend who I mentioned to you was watching Gilmore for the first time. I hadn't heard from her in a minute.

She was giving me updates.

And then I texted her a couple days ago. I'm like, hey, did you ever finish Gilmore Girls?

She's like, oh, yeah.

She's like, I got really sick. And I basically watched the entire last season in a weekend. And I was like, okay, well, now you have to restart it because now it's fall. But anyway, today we're talking about Season five, episode one, Say Goodbye to Daisy Miller, which is the premiere of season five.

And it picks up right where we left off.

Yeah, I thought that was an interesting plot device because it's not even right where they left off. They actually went back and we rewatched. Part of the scene from last time where, you know, there's the confrontation between, like, we didn't see the whole thing, but we heard the audio again. And, you know, from a different camera angle looking through the back door, which was kind of cool.

I thought that was an interesting sort of plot device to kind of remember where we left off last time.

For sure. And before I forget, this aired September 21st, 2004.

Wow.

Yes.

Yeah, I liked the, well, okay, we.

Got a moment between them in the bedroom, which my first observation was, there is no way the two of them can fit in that bed.

I know.

I mean, she even references it later in the episode. Yeah. About like, or was it this episode where she's like telling Lane?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah.

Because, because it was, she hasn't gone to Europe yet.

So. Yes. So, okay. Yeah.

Where she was like, he can't believe he fit in my bed or something. And I'm like, well, at least we like mentioned the elephant in the room. Cause he's, he's like six, five. And that was like a tiny bed.

And that whole bed scene, that was super.

It was so cringe.

Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Because everything about it, everything about it.

And you know, now I'm, this time around we're watching, I'm watching through a different lens because we are doing more of a deep dive. And the whole time I was like, she's in college, but the way she's talking is like she's a high schooler who lost her virginity.

Yeah.

It's very odd.

It was, it was weird. And what the hell was up with the song? Like, I don't even know what to say about that.

It was so, that's what I'm saying. It's like she was a, it's like she was a child. Like, okay, we're going to sing Candyman.

Like, it's so weird.

It was really weird. I don't know what the writers were trying to tell us with that song selection, but it was so bizarre.

They aged her down.

She is supposed to be going into her sophomore year of college, which makes her about 19, right?

Right.

Yeah, it's like 18, 19, which she is an adult. And this scene made it seem like she was like a 15 year old.

It was so weird. And I mean, I will say Willy Wonka is one of my favorite movies and I will stop and watch it whenever I see it on whatever version of it happens.

To be on.

But like that song takes me back to like third grade. Like I, you know, it's not something that you would associate with this actual experience.

You know what it made me think of? It was like me reading like Roald Dahl, like that, that era.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I don't know. It was such a weird choice. And then they also used it elsewhere in the show with Taylor.

Yeah, but that was before, right?

That was before, but it was just like a weird, I don't know, couldn't they have picked literally any other song? I don't know why.

Well, there's so many references to Willy Wonka in this series. There are, but This one was not a good one. Let's put it that way.

And they already used the song. So why did we need to hear it again?

It also could have been anything else. Like truly it could have been any other song.

Yeah. Like I don't, I don't understand why Rory picked that.

I mean.

Also the way she was talking, like it was very childish, just the way she was speaking and stuff. And like, and then the fighting over the, not the fighting, but she was like trying to like, the little remote thing like she was like so i was like what is happening and like bad he is what's funny is like first of all the whole situation is just messed up as we have mentioned before but it made me realize that he is an adult and she is not in this scene specifically like i think like well i mean he's not very mature but you know what i mean like i just yeah he He seemed older than she was here.

Yeah. He wasn't acting like a teenager.

Yes.

Like, he is a man who's married, literally, and has a job and is paying his bills.

Yeah.

But I did like when they showed the point of view of him standing out there and listening for a second to their conversation.

Because it's also like, just to jump forward, he still doesn't get that he messed up. No. Because then we go to the scene at his house with Lindsay.

Yeah. And he's going off on the poor girl about answering the phone knowing he's the one who made a mistake.

Right.

Yeah.

I think that was definitely a guilty conscience. Yes.

But like I was just like, do you not get it?

Like you're going home to your wife and you just slept with someone else. Right.

Yeah, I don't know. It was completely messed up and the brownies and I don't know. I just felt so bad for Lindsay in that scene.

Me too.

Because she was asleep. She answered the phone because it woke her up. It was just an innocent thing. She wasn't trying to do anything bad and he just knew he screwed up and totally took it out on her.

I really think out of.

I think the whole series, I think the writers did Lindsay dirty. I think we were made to not like her for some reason because of, I don't, I don't know what it is because maybe it's the part where she was like, I mean, we could talk about a couple episodes ago where we're like, well, she wants Dean to be home, but she wants him to work. So it's like, we, I mean, she's a kid, but like, I feel like we just are made out to not like her. And so like, this was also one scene where I'm like, we're supposed to feel bad for her.

And I do feel bad for her, but for some reason I'm still not connected to her.

Yeah.

Like it's just kind of like a, I feel like they could have developed her personality more.

Cause right now she's just a human to me. Like, I don't know anything about her. Yeah. Like the, except that she's Dean's wife.

Yeah. I was, I was just going to say, we don't see her in any kind of context outside of Dean. And, you know, the first time that we meet her was super quickly at the hockey game and Lane and Rory run into her. And that was when we first met her. But everything after that, it's only in the context of her relationship with Dean. So, yeah, I agree. We don't really know that much about her. So it's hard to connect with her. It was kind of the same thing with Nicole. Like, it was just a very... one-dimensional character.

They didn't give us a ton of background.

Yeah, but with Nicole, I think that we got less than we are.

Like, we have seen Lindsay way more because we have developed that they're, well, because with, with Nicole, she.

Came out of nowhere and then they were married.

At least with Lindsay, like, it was Dean's new girlfriend and then they're engaged and then they got married and now he's working at the inn. It's like, there are steps where we saw her through a little bit of an evolution, but like, Again, I just... It's one character that I wish... And she's also so sweet when we saw her and Scott do that panel.

Mm-hmm.

That's right. Yeah. She was hilarious.

Yeah, she was great.

And Scott had her on, too. So, like, I mean, justice for that character.

Yeah.

Yeah. Do we have anything else about this?

Just one more thing I want to say about that. And it was... It was when I'm trying to find it in my notes here. Oh, it was towards the end, actually, where Rory is walking past the butcher shop and she sees Lindsay inside. And I think that's when she realizes because, you know, the night before Dean was telling her all these things about. how, you know, Lindsay wants to break up and Lindsay isn't happy either and blah, blah, blah, which was, of course was a complete lie because Lindsay has no idea any of this is going on. But I think that's when it hit home for Rory because she sees Lindsay is trying to make this, dinner and she's telling the butcher she's like I have to get this.

Right it's his favorite yeah right.

And so that's when I think Rory realized wait a minute like maybe Dean wasn't being completely honest about yeah where his relationship is.

But I mean she tried to have a conversation with him at Miss Patty's which ironic that was the location yeah and they slept together.

Again right like yeah she didn't realize it.

The second time she literally called And Lindsay picked up and she started crying.

And then she just let it happen again? Yeah.

See, that's the thing. I don't know. They both could have shown a little self-control there.

Or just common sense.

Yeah. Or, you know, don't meet in a dark, abandoned place. You know? Like, meet on a street corner or something.

Well, see, I kept thinking I was like, of course it was here because that's the first time they slept together.

Yeah.

That's true.

Yeah.

But I just was thinking in the context of if you need to have a conversation with somebody.

Yeah, just do it like on the sidewalk. Yeah.

Like just like meet at the park or something.

But yeah, and then the closing scene where Lindsay's making dinner for Dean. I'm just like, I just feel so bad for her.

Yeah.

She has no clue.

And she, cause she was so excited that, that it turned out right. And so she was like all happy and jumping around and I felt bad. And that white dress she was wearing was super cute with the.

Oh, okay. That's what I was going to say. So cute.

This season, it's like the wardrobe department completely changed. Like the outfit that Emily was wearing when she jumps out of the window and that pink cardigan.

Was so cute.

It was cute.

Honestly, like I jumped ahead and watched the next episode already, but like, just from these two episodes i watched they are dressed so cute.

Yeah like except okay go ahead finish your thought no no go ahead i have one exception to that that pink polo shirt that rory was wearing that was like two sizes too small.

Yeah it was a little tight on her chest i'm not gonna lie.

Yeah and her arms like i didn't like that.

I didn't mind the shirt i just like i just thought it was too tight it was too tight but also that was kind of in style That's true.

That's true. Because we're getting into the phase where you wore, like, big shirts. And Lorelai does this also. Like, the big shirts with the tight sweater over it. And so the shirt's just, like, falling out everywhere. Like, I hated that look. But they, like, went really hard on that look.

It's kind of making a comeback.

I saw someone a couple months ago was wearing, like, a long sleeve shirt with, like, a spaghetti strap dress.

So it's, like, it has sleeves in it. And I was, like, why is this coming back? Yeah.

The other fashion point I noticed is this was the era of the little tiny purses that fit under your armpit.

Yes, which have made a comeback again.

I still have one in my closet right now. I could go get it.

Well, guess what?

You can wear it tomorrow and it's back in style. I've seen so many young girls, college kids and stuff wearing it. Actually, I was in Vegas a couple of weeks ago and I saw a bunch of girls wearing it and I'm like, It's not really the era.

I'm more of a.

Crossbody girl. Big purse that I can throw my laptop in. It's one or the other. I either want a small crossbody.

As I get older, I've become more of a cute backpack person just because it holds all my stuff. And if I need to take my laptop, I have this super cute Vera Bradley backpack that I use that has a laptop sleeve. So I don't know. My shoulders hurt. It's hard for me to just carry a bag on one shoulder anymore.

Yeah, I know. Well, and the little purse can't help you except for maybe a lip gloss and your keys.

Right, right. I can't even like fit my seven pairs of glosses in there.

My iPhone doesn't even fit in there. Well, Emily and Richard, I thought that scene in the attic... Was very funny.

Yes. That, the basement.

Yeah. Basement. Sorry.

That was hilarious. And they have a really nice basement. Did you notice there was like a whole bar in there and a pool table? Yeah.

I mean, and also like her expensive Louis Vuitton luggage.

Yes.

That she's dragging up the stairs and I'm in my head. I'm like, you're so scuffing your floors right now.

But also it was so funny.

Cause like, It just was so... Oh, and we had the famous line from her. Buy me a boat and take me to Reno.

What is it?

Buy me a boa and drive me to Reno because I am open for business.

I was like, oh my God, I didn't realize it's this episode. I never pinpoint exact episodes it's in, but that's one of her most famous lines from the series. And I just love that she just rips her skirt off to continue down to get away from Richard. And also, I have never seen police officers show up in 30 seconds to someone's house for a noise complaint.

Unless they're in a gated community and like.

Yeah, that's because it said something security. So I think they're supposed to be like just private security, like in their rich people neighborhoods. So they probably just were sitting there doing nothing.

But it was so quick. I was like, damn, that's the... Even those security guards sometimes take a while. So yeah, but that scene, I mean, listen, am I sad that they're splitting up? Yes, but man, it makes good TV.

It really does. I don't know. She just was brilliant in that scene. We've been saying that a lot lately. Kelly Bishop has had a lot of really good scenes in the last four or five episodes. Yeah. So it's just, it's so much fun to watch. It's just.

She's so fun. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just great TV for sure.

And they're splitting up, but he's just, I like how Lorelai was like, so you're just separated by the pool?

Which kind of, she's not wrong. Yeah.

That was funny. Yeah.

And then Lorelai and Luke.

Yes.

I love that Kirk actually paid attention. Like he was.

The whole Kirk thing was so funny. And then Luke was like, do you want to talk about anything? Because he doesn't have any idea what she's been dealing with with Rory. He's completely out of the loop. And so he's like, do we want to talk about this immense thing that just happened? And then Suki comes downstairs and looks at Kirk's butt. Just hilarity ensues.

And Suki cannot keep her mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah. With anything. Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was a great season premiere.

Yeah, it was really good. It was a really good episode. So there was something that has caught my eye as long as I've been watching the show. And finally, last night, I did the deep dive. At the front desk of the Dragonfly, there's a picture on the wall that looks like a building with a giant coffee pot on top.

And it's bugged me ever since I've noticed it because I'm all, I'm into like local history and architecture and crazy things like that. And so I finally looked it up and that building and I'll, I have, I found a copy of the picture. It's a place called Rawls fine ice cream. And it was in Los Angeles in 1934, possibly on Santa Monica Boulevard. So, I feel like that mystery is solved now. That's been bothering me. Probably I am the only person that that has been bothering.

Yeah.

I have not seen it, but now I want a screenshot of it to go look at.

So I'll, I'll grab, I have, I found a picture online and then it's a, it's a picture. It's like, there's only really like one picture of this place. So it's the same picture that I found online. That's hanging on the wall.

Interesting.

But yeah, so that like satisfied my, my internal like architecture needs.

I love it.

I didn't see any, like personally, I didn't see it, like any call outs or anything.

So I have two. One super minor was when they were at the airport and they were leaving. Now, this was a couple of years after 9-11 and it was like a different, you know, things were different. Emily was putting like her makeup case in a plastic bag to go through security, which I don't remember ever doing that even after 9-11.

I think you have to do it going to Europe. Oh, really? Things have to fit in certain sizes when you go to Europe.

But she was putting it in a plastic bag.

I've seen people do that.

Like a cover.

Yeah, I've seen people do that when they go to Europe.

Hmm, okay.

But I don't know the reason. I mean, when I went to Europe, I mean, I went in 2019 last time. I just kept my makeup bag very tiny, but it does have to fit in.

Hold on. Actually, I'm going to pause and look this up.

Because my husband and my kids have gone to Europe twice, but not that long ago, but in recent years, and they didn't have to do that.

Yeah.

So, um jack you just pulled this up is um most european airports still require you to put liquid containers inside a single transparent reusable one liter plastic bag.

Yeah so the little stuff but she was putting her entire case in a big like a plastic trash.

Bag huh that i didn't pay attention to but i do know that you have to put it in a plastic bag so it's so they can see it going through tsa But I don't know.

I don't know what was going on.

Yeah, like she wasn't putting the contents in a bag.

She was literally putting, like, it was.

Like her makeup box, you know, like those, like, train cases that have your makeup in them. She put the whole thing in a plastic bag.

I don't know.

So, I don't know. But whatever. The other thing I noticed was at Lane's, in Lane's bedroom.

Oh, my God. She had so much stuff.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, I sat there staring. I've never really paid attention this whole time. But did you notice how many concert tickets she had? Because first of all, I thought, oh, I remember paper concert tickets. Everything's on your phone now. I can't remember the last time I had a paper ticket master ticket for a concert. But then I started thinking, when would Lane have gone to all these concerts?

I feel like she found them. Because there was also a poster, one of the angles that said like, like a show at Rudy's restaurant. And it was like, I feel like she just found these.

Yeah, maybe.

But in my head, I was like, when I was watching that scene, I'm like, man, it's everything she wished her room used to look like that she can now express herself.

There was a lot happening in that room.

There, there really was.

There was too, honestly, I was too distracted. I had to watch that scene twice.

Because i was just looking at the background i'm like what does she have.

Yeah there was i i liked some of the stuff like she had the bead curtains against the wall which i thought was super cute yeah and then she had like all her cds in plastic cases on the wall did you notice that i thought.

That was cool but yeah i assume just because i noticed more of the posters than the ticket stubs but i just assume she found them at like i don't know just wherever she could find them.

Yeah, maybe. I mean, maybe she bought them like secondhand or something, but I.

Just, unless she went to a lot of concerts since moving out of her mom's and just started collecting.

Yeah.

I mean like every week, I guess, I don't know because there were like a dozen of those ticket stubs, but possible.

How long has she moved out now? Like almost a year.

Oh, I didn't think it had been that long.

Six months maybe.

I mean, yeah, maybe cause we're in the fall now, but yeah. Who knows?

But also she would sneak out a lot. So I'm sure some of them are hers.

Yeah, maybe.

I mean, she went to the show with Rory in season one. So like.

Yeah.

She could have collected a couple over the years.

Yeah, could be.

All right. Well.

But good episodes, solid start to the season for sure. Yeah.

Yeah.

And it leaves you hanging because you want to see what happens next with Luke and Lorelai because you're all ready for them to get together and then he leaves. So now we're all set to see what happens next. I know.

I will say the one note I have is I wish there was a little bit more Lorelai and Luke because it was very Rory Dean heavy. But, I mean, we're getting there eventually.

Yeah.

One relationship at a time.

Yes, and they did have that nice phone call where they're sitting in their closets, respectively. That was a good moment. I liked that scene.

Well, the next one we're talking about is Season 5, Episode 2, A Messenger, Nothing More. We'll see you next week.

Meeting adjourned.

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