IAAI Town Meeting: Now Tell Me That Wasn’t Fun (Season 5 E3 “Written in the Stars”)

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I Am All In Town Meeting with Suzanne French and Tara Sood.

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Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of I Am All In Town Meeting with myself, Tara and Suzanne. Hello. Hello. Today we're talking about season five, episode three, Written in the Stars, which aired on October 5th, 2004, which was a day after my 12th birthday.

There was a lot this episode. Yeah.

I'm all in.

I am all in.

We get Logan.

There's so much happening.

Honestly, I was watching it this morning and I was like, this could have been like two episodes it was so jam-packed.

Yeah they're kind of continuing that trend that they started you know at the end of season four where it's just like there's a lot happening in all these storylines.

But like this one didn't feel like shoved in our face like it worked with the pacing yeah because I kind of love that like the Emily Richard of it all flowed into then Emily showing up to the wake like it just it worked you.

Know yeah it was good they were all kind of tied together I thought it.

Was nice yeah um where should we start what should we um.

I you know i don't know that's a that's a good place there i did the recap with scott for this episode and the one thing i noticed overall about this episode is everybody was in transition so we've got yeah you know emily and richard are trying to decide if their relationship's going to continue we've got you know luke and laurel are starting a relationship we've got rory meeting logan but also there's marty but also there's dean like everybody's just kind of in a in a transitional phase in their life so i thought i thought it was good but but the opening we see the pool house and we actually finally saw the pool for a split.

Second i would live in that pool house which i know obviously we say that later when rory moves in there spoiler alert not really because it's old but like she, I would live there.

Yeah, totally.

It's like, it's like a small apartment. Yeah.

And it's not even that small.

No, it's not. It doesn't have like a kitchen and a bathroom and everything.

Yeah. And it's got like a full, like we see when, when Rory lives there, it's got like the full bedroom and a bathroom, a bathtub.

And like, I was so hungry.

Like I've been, I was telling you before this, I didn't eat anything today and I was hungry watching the scene of them eating. Cause I'm like, that looks good. I think it was like a soup. Didn't they have a soup?

They had a soup and then at Richard's they had the Hungarian cheese.

That's right.

And a dirty martini that she was drinking.

Yes.

Yeah. I mean, I thought the, this is when like the Richard and Emily stuff is funny.

Like it kind of works.

Yeah. Yeah. Because like, especially when she looks out the window and she's like, where is he going? Right.

And she's so worked up about it. Like, how dare he go anywhere at 730 at night? She's so hung up on that.

And she's going to stay out until he realizes that she's coming back home because she was also out. It's funny.

I'm trying to see. I'm jumping around.

But I mean, I do want to talk about the Luke and Lorelai stuff because, you know, it was so like an easy transition.

Does that make sense? Like, it didn't feel forced.

It felt like even all the way from when she walks down and is in Luke's shirt to town meeting, like none of it felt forced on us.

It was like, oh, finally.

Right. Exactly.

Like it was always meant to be. It just was so comfortable. Just like they're just going around town doing their thing.

And I love the reveal of that because they were like, oh, my God, no one's talked about us like this and that. And I love the reveal that like they're being talked about in the town meeting as if they're not there. It's so good.

That was so awesome.

And Taylor, of course, had all these charts and diagrams and posters. Like, it was so perfect. Like, they, you know, Lorelei was kind of put out that they weren't openly gossiping about her, but then all this stuff was happening, like, behind the scenes, and they, you know, got on the agenda for the town meeting.

But, you know, he wasn't, like, Taylor was not, like, completely wrong in, like, what if they break up?

Yeah, well... Yeah. It was very Taylor, though.

Yeah, it was very Taylor, but I'm kind of like, you know, I see where his brain's working.

Right.

Yeah.

And I loved that he was going to vote on whether they could stay together or not, like it's any of his business.

Apparently it is because he owns the whole town, I guess. That was really funny. I liked the horoscope thing.

Yes, that was so sweet.

Which I like how in town meetings she's like, show them the horoscope.

Did you catch that?

Or she's like, show them. That was cute. I'm trying to think what else. Well, I did want to flag jumping around, but I know we've talked to him before, but my friend's husband is in this episode.

Oh, in what part?

He is one of the guys bringing in the keg.

Oh, okay. For The Wake? Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Eric Valdez, who we've had, he's actually an actor. He was in the show Superman and Lois as of late. And he's done a bunch of stuff. But yeah, I know he, it's so funny because like, I think I noticed this like years ago after I met my friend Candace. And I was like, is Eric, Eric's rather, I was like, is Eric in Gilmore Girls? She's like, yeah, it was like one of his first roles. And he's just like a background extra. So he's bringing the keg in. And then I think it's when, I think it's another scene when Marty and Rory are talking. Oh, it's when he asks if she's single and he's in the back, like right smack in between them, like drinking.

Oh, funny. Yeah.

But I was like, oh my God, it's Eric. And I texted her and I was like, oh, it's that time of my rewatch when Eric pops up.

Like I'll text her every time.

Speaking of people bringing things in. So the guys carrying Rory's couch.

Uh-huh.

When she comes back to Yale and like these two guys are carrying a freaking couch and she's like, oh, the door should be open. Like, open the freaking door. Like, what is wrong with you?

Well, the whole thing with the apartment is always so weird to me. Like, first of all, their apartment is like literally in the hallway.

It's a very odd placement.

Yeah.

Yeah. It looks almost like it's the same room at first. Like, it looks like the same hallway from last year, but now it's not a dorm room. It's an apartment all.

Of a sudden. I thought it... Oh, you're right.

I thought it was the same. I think it's the same door.

I think it's the same door, yeah. But then there's, like, an outer door.

I don't know.

I was just super annoyed that she's, like, telling the guy who's holding a couch to open the door for himself. Like, what? You're an idiot, Rory. I'm sorry.

And why.

Why does she even have furniture movers in the first place?

Like, I don't know.

That seemed like an Emily thing to me, not a Rory thing. Because they didn't have any of her other stuff. Like, it was just these two random.

You're right. You're right. Maybe it was a Paris thing.

Maybe. No, because they were with Rory.

Oh, true.

Yeah.

I don't know. I just thought that was funny that she's like, yeah, guy holding the couch. Just open the door for yourself.

Yeah. Yeah.

And then Logan with when he comes. I don't understand.

Whose phone number were they trying to... Whose phone number? Who were they trying to meet up with?

I don't know. I guess Finn was looking for some girl and thought she was in Rory's room. But I don't understand why he would have... been writing Logan's phone like if Finn was looking for this girl why would he be writing Logan's phone number on the door and then Logan's like no don't write my number like why would he have been writing Logan's number.

And then once he realized it was Rory it's like oh you can't leave my number.

Yeah but if Finn was looking for this woman because he's madly in love with her why wouldn't he be leaving.

His own phone number it was an odd way to get Rory and Logan to talk it was an odd setup it was awkward I mean, I liked their banter because it was fun. But getting there was just, I was like, we could have, I don't know.

Yeah, they could have set it up differently. I agree. I think the banter was clever. And especially at the end when he goes, now tell me that wasn't fun. I'm like, I thought it was fun.

I know. I know.

When he said that, I was like, oh, it was fun.

I do think, though, like it's a little, it's not like the Logan we see later on who's so like, oh, who is that guy who was the bartender? Like, I feel like that's not Logan that we know as the episodes go on.

Yes.

And Scott and I talked about that too, actually, because we were talking about like our first impressions of him. And in this episode, he's just kind of an a-hole. Like he's kind of a jerk. And we know going forward that, you know, he ends up, he's, he kind of matures and he has, you know, some character growth as, as we go through. But in just in this episode, he's, He's just like this jerky kind of, you know, rich, stereotypical frat guy. Like he wasn't a frat, but that was the stereotype. But yeah, it just, he wasn't that appealing.

And so you don't know like which way this is going to go at first.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, but I enjoyed it.

Yeah.

It was fun.

Yeah.

So I want to talk about Asher.

Yes. Okay. Okay.

So we finally get to bid farewell to Asher Fleming forever.

Not the way we thought we should.

We never have to deal with him again. But one thing I thought was interesting was at the beginning when... So they're in the dorm room right after the couch thing. And Rory calls Paris and Paris says, oh, you know, she's still in... in England because Asher died and then Rory's consoling her or whatever. She hangs up and she tells Marty that Asher Fleming died. And then Marty makes the comment about, you know, was it during sex? And so it made me wonder like, what, how does Marty know about Asher Fleming? Like, were they just, was he just saying in general, cause he was known to date students or did he specifically know that he was dating Paris. Like, he didn't seem surprised that Rory was talking to Paris

about that.

I took it as known to date students, not specifically Paris, but I'm sure he had an inkling.

Yeah, probably. But I took it as a whole.

Yeah, I just thought it was interesting because he didn't... It seemed like he almost already knew. Like, he didn't seem surprised that Paris would have been there with Asher. I don't know. But, I mean, Paris did make the comment During last season, when she was talking about going to Oxford with him, that, you know, oh, it's all about to come out soon. She said something to that effect.

So I guess maybe it was just assumed that now, you know, it was known that they were a couple. But I thought that was.

Which, speaking of Marty, remember how at the end of last season, I was like, why didn't we get more Marty?

Mm-hmm. Or are we getting him now?

Like, this exact scene that I said should have been last season happened the same episode we get Logan.

Right.

When he asks, basically asks if Rory's single.

Yeah. I think that they're trying to set us up to show the confusion that is in Rory's head. Because let's also not forget the end of the episode. She goes to Dean's house.

Oh, my God. I was like, come on, girl.

We've got Marty and Logan and Dean. All we need was Jess.

Right.

Can you imagine? Oh, my gosh. And so I guess they're just trying to set up that Rory's going to... We're still at the beginning of the season, and I guess they're trying to set up that she's going to have this choice to make as time goes on.

But I would have loved that for a season ending. I feel like Marty asking should have happened... Okay, I was thinking what would have been really good is if Marty kind of saved the day... when she was at that bar with that jerk after finals and then like maybe she was with Marty because he was at the bar and then called Dean and then it got real confusing because I think right now it's like I mean obviously the first watch we didn't know that Logan's gonna be a boyfriend but you can assume by this episode that something's gonna happen But I kind of would have liked Marty to, like, make a move when Logan wasn't in the picture yet. Because now it's just, like, degrading Marty. Like, he's now just the bartender at one of Logan's... Like, that's.

The reason why he was.

The reason why the storyline here worked and they made it just kind of, like, came out of nowhere is because Logan and his friends saw Marty and they recognized him. Mm-hmm. And that was, I would have rather Marty had not been there and then they just met Rory at the coffee cart as she.

Was by herself.

Yeah. Yeah.

But Marty's like a tool in this episode, unfortunately.

Right.

He is. Yeah.

He's firmly in the friend zone and he's also just kind of a prop to get her to meet Logan.

Yeah.

Yeah, that definitely could have been structured differently. I liked Marty this first time around. I thought he was a good guy.

I just wish that Marty had more of a chance. I'm trying to back him up. Right.

He's always competing in a large ocean of competitors. Yeah.

Look, I didn't dislike the episode. I didn't dislike how it was played out. I just wish we.

Yeah. Because you just know he's just not going to get a chance. Right. We now have Dean and Logan and Marty. Like, come on.

Marty, unfortunately, is at the bottom.

Right, yeah. It's not even close to a three-way tie.

I mean, literally, she left Marty to go to Dean's house.

Yes, she literally did. She also left Emily to go to Dean's house. Did you notice that she just left Emily in her apartment?

I forgot because Emily was talking to Paris. Also, it kind of sucked for Lorelai to throw Emily at Rory that night.

Yes, which she didn't do intentionally. I think she realized it later because that's why she called Rory. She's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It didn't occur to her.

At the time that she was going to drive over Rory's.

But still, I don't know. If I was Emily, I would not have just shown up at my college-aged granddaughter's dorm.

And clearly there's a party happening.

Yeah.

She did take a drink, though.

She did, yeah.

I was kind of proud of her.

She took a solo cup.

And demanded a napkin.

Yeah, for her solo cup. Do you think that Rory and Dean hooked up that night? Just by the way she walked in?

I think it was heavily implied. I mean, we don't know. That was his parents' house, so we don't know if they were home or not. But I think it was.

It was the look on his face that did it for me. I was like, yeah, he had a plan.

Yeah, I think that they both kind of did. And, you know, maybe that wasn't why she went over there, but I think it probably did end up.

Well, I don't think she knew why she was going there. She was just like, oh, what's going on with Dean? She showed up and he stood to the side to let her in the house. That was the sign that she needed.

Yeah, yeah. I think that she just went over there to try to get an answer to the question that Marty had asked her, which is, do you have a boyfriend? And she's like, I don't know. And so she went over there trying to figure that out. And I think it kind of figured itself out.

But also, like, she doesn't.

They would have known if they're boyfriend and girlfriend.

Well, yeah. I mean, I think because of the whole situation where she ran off to Europe and didn't tell him, she just left. And then, you know... They had that confrontation when she came back. Yeah. He's like, you know, I threw away my marriage for this chick that just ditched me. So.

Sounds like a him problem, though.

It does. But it sounds like it was kind of unresolved. Like, I don't know. But really, it means the one that has to figure it out.

Exactly.

Which is why I'm like, why does she think that she doesn't know she has a boyfriend? It's not. She doesn't in this moment. In this moment, she is single. Yeah.

She's just hooking up with a married man.

But yeah, anyway, I feel like I can talk about Rory and Dean all day, but we can continue next week.

I didn't have any call-outs that I caught. I think you do, though, right?

I had two minor things. Okay, so the first one, which actually I think might have been intentional, was Paris told Rory that Asher died two weeks ago. But then when she's talking to Logan as she's putting up the flyers, she tells him that Asher died last week. Not two weeks ago. But I think that may have been intentional because I don't think Rory really cared. So she probably wasn't paying attention to when he died.

I was going to say, I think it's just he died, period.

Yeah. No offense.

I don't think it really mattered the exact date.

And then the other thing that I had was in the town meeting when they were talking about Art Brush and Faye Wellington.

Okay. Okay.

So for those who may not have listened, they were this couple that there was a flower shop and a candy store and they were a couple and then they broke up and then nobody could buy candy and nobody could buy flowers. So they switched the way that they spoke of them. So they said that Faye Wellington had the flower shop and Art had the candy shop. But then after they broke up, they said Faye never made candy again. But Faye had the flower shop. She didn't have the candy shop.

Wait, this is like a terrible like game. I'm like trying to keep up in my head. I don't know if you like my brain is like processing.

It's like a riddle.

It is. Yeah. So Faye had the flower shop.

Okay.

Faye flowers. Faye has a flower shop. But then when they were talking about after they broke up, somebody was either Patty or Babette. I think it was Babette.

She had a candy shop.

Said that Faye never made candy again, but she didn't have the candy shop. She had the flower shop. So it was like they didn't pay attention to the internal consistency.

Yeah, that's really funny. I would have never caught that, by the way.

Because it was only like a minute apart. It's not like it was even, it was in the same scene. It's not even like it was that far apart.

I like how Jack here, producer, just said maybe I ought to spite you to make candy.

You're not wrong. Maybe, yeah.

Well, true, yeah. She broke up with him, so she never wants to see candy again.

So funny. But yeah, overall, good.

I was looking at the magazine stand to see if I can spot anything and I did not.

Yeah, I was trying to read them too.

And i and the bulletin board but i didn't see anything i really stood but i.

Noticed that the newsstand guy wasn't bootsy it was like some other random person i.

Was always trying to figure out was the news the newspaper stand across from like if i'm thinking of the the holidays made here a lot Like, is it across from the video store?

Did they, like, place it in front of that store? Okay, yes.

It's right in front of where that big merchandise location was.

They just put a stand in front of it for this episode.

Yeah, exactly. Okay, I was like, huh, this is a new corner. Or they just completely blocked the building, which is what they did.

Yeah, they just, like, put up a fake newsstand on the outside of that building. But, yeah, it was across the street from, like, the little knitting store and the video store.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. Okay, huh. All right, so next week we're going to be talking about season five, episode four, Tippecanoe and Taylor 2.

We'll see you next week.

Meeting adjourned.

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