Madonna uhhh?? Patient Zero analyzed….Travis Garland has riz

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How was that for an intro? Were you a singer in high school?

Absolutely not.

You weren't a choir?

Absolutely not.

Not even close. I was. You would be. Jackie, can you sing a tune? Can you sing?

No, but I do know that Oklahoma, we did Oklahoma.

Oklahoma, where the wind comes screaming. Oklahoma, where the wind, we did that musical. Speaking of choir, guys, I've been waiting to talk about this so much. So, okay.

Here's what I'm going to say. Here's what I'm going to say first. This thing was a tragedy. Do not get me wrong. Complete tragedy, awful. That is true. Simultaneously though, if I may be allowed to talk about the craziest trial I've seen in a while, the American Idol singer, Flynn.

Is that his name? Last name Flynn.

I just have to talk about it. When they brought the door in, they brought the door in. So I don't even get, there was so much to consume with it. I guess he said they broke in and then they bring the door, the physical front door into the courtroom to say, no one broke in. Here was my flag on it where I was like, aside from the text messages, which we need to talk about. And we got to talk about the song. But on the 911 call, he says, my wife's been shot twice.

I'm sorry.

If your wife is shot and you're calling 911, how on earth would you know the bullet count?

I know. I was like, sir, I'm thinking this doesn't look good for you. Oh, my gosh. Did you not know this? Did you watch? Did you guys? I'm not.

Did you watch the courtroom? listening to the song, the AI song that he... So he had like AI write a song for the girlfriend. And then for a full 10 minutes, the entire courtroom is listening to the full song.

A 10 minute song. It was two songs or something. It was like two songs. I've only heard the one song. I don't know that TikTok captured the second song. The comments.

The screenshots, like, again, I want to reiterate, horrible, horrible. The tragedy of this whole thing is terrible. Do not get me wrong. The tragedy is beyond. But the AI song and watching this courtroom of people listening to it and like the relatives of the woman he killed trying to hold in their laughter. Like, what show is it where they do this? when they want to laugh, there's like a show where they want to laugh so hard.

And they pull their papers over their faces. Is that American? I don't know.

I mean, they have done that.

I feel like that's a crutch. Like when you want to laugh and you don't want to show that you're laughing.

You put, yeah. Or you go like this, like I'm friends. Yeah.

You know, I have many thoughts and I like, don't even know if they're like appropriate for me to say.

None of this is appropriate.

So it's, we're going to make this a safe space because we've said, We understand how awful this is.

And this poor woman was killed and there's this affair and there's children. So we are saying it's terrible.

While simultaneously, we can freely talk about this trial being wild, wild.

It's just all of the evidence is just so shocking, in my opinion, that they even have that evidence.

Does that make sense?

Like he literally outwardly said, I'm going to kill her.

I want or not. I think they said, I want to kill her. I don't want to, I don't want to get it.

Wrong, but somebody did like a full Reddit thread.

It's just bananas because the text.

And I can't even read them. They're so cringe. No, they're so cringe.

And, and also just in what, in what world is, Like, I also kind of got to like think about the mistress for a second, because why aren't you calling the police here?

Well, she's saying it, too. She said it, too.

So I have a theory and I'm sure this I just haven't. I watched 20, 15, 20 minutes of her testimony last night.

Obviously, not obviously. Allegedly, this is my opinion. This is just my opinion. they obviously gave her a deal. Like, Hey, cause I don't understand why she's not an accessory.

She would have to have, I'm assuming they gave her some sort of a deal, which is then why she's totally testifying for the prosecution. I mean, it's, it's so the reading the text messages. I don't understand why anyone, this is my thing. They're the worst criminals on the planet. They're putting it all in writing.

Like, What? Yeah. No, it is.

It is beyond.

She says, what can I do? And he writes, kill her. What? That's why I'm like.

I just don't even understand how conversations like this are had.

I've never written anything like that in my entire life. I can tell you that. I don't. What? I won't even write.

I want to punch her or him because I think that's too violent to even write that.

You know, when someone makes you mad, you're like, dang, I want to punch them.

I never even would write that because I'm like, I don't want to punch anybody.

You know what I mean? I'm not actually going to ever punch a person.

I just like it also, like from the mistress perspective, why are you with a guy that's saying that about his wife?

She's saying it too. You're forgetting that.

She's saying it too.

That's why, look, I am not usually the person that, the other woman, the girlfriend, whatever. I usually am like, you know what? You don't know what the guy is saying.

And, and he was saying a lot of things like, you know, we're really just friends.

She's had affairs too, blah, blah, blah.

So you don't really know what he was saying to her and she wasn't married and she's 20 years old or whatever.

Right.

So a lot of times I'm going to not be the person that just blames that person because But after these text messages, I was like, oh, these text messages are so.

They are the most.

They make me want to gnarly. It is just insane.

And you I think you texted me yesterday and you go, he looks so different than American.

Everybody's putting no one year ago. Everyone's when was he on American Idol? Does anyone know how long ago? 2013. So like a long time ago.

Yeah.

Yeah. Look at the side-by-side of August 2025 to now.

Yeah, no, it is. Because I immediately looked when you said that.

I looked, I was like, what.

Did he look like before? I couldn't recall him on American Idol. A hundred thousand text messages. Ugh. Ugh. What?

It's insanity. Insanity.

And then not to like put even a darker cloud over this podcast, but I mean, talk about wanting to vomit.

That's why I'm saying all this stuff this week.

Is just like heavy. It is heavy and dark. The Cornell one is like so awful.

I know.

This one had some this Caleb Flynn one had Like I'm wondering, are they going to make a TV movie of this?

A hundred percent they are.

A thousand percent. Because it's almost like you have to.

They're also making a movie on, oh my gosh, The Reiners. That's going to be a movie.

They are? How do you know that?

No, I'm just saying they are going to.

No, I feel like that's way too gnarly. How could they make that movie?

I just feel like that stuff always happens.

Maybe though like in 20 years, sometimes it becomes easier to like, stomach some of these true crime things i want to watch court tv more all that this made me do is why did i not have court tv on just like 24 7 because this trial was all on television i gotta stay.

Away from it because it really makes me spiral i i when i see people when i see things like this like the cornell and the in this case with all the text messages i'm like wow people like this exist in our world and that really makes me go down a dark hole I like, it really.

Really puts me down. All the comments are like, dear husbands, just divorce us. Wait, I have a question.

So do you feel that way when you watch, like I'm trying to like Law & Order SVU or like the OG Simpson?

Maybe that's why I don't like those shows. But back to what you were saying, Amy, a lot of it says husbands divorce me or a lot of it is women raise respectable men.

Right.

And And I see that and I'm like, oh my God, I have two little boys. Like this is, you know, and I've always said that from the beginning.

My goal in life is.

To raise two boys that are so respectful and so kind. And that is my goal.

But it's like, holy cow.

Barely 101 to me though. Hey, if you find yourself in a marriage and it's truly terrible, I understand all the reasons to not get divorced. uh let's not turn to murder seems like there's a long list of things you could do before murder.

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Let's pivot to Travis Garland. Have we talked about him on the air? I think a little bit. You mentioned it.

I'm really drawn into Travis Garland right now.

You have been saying this. He's having a real moment right now, especially with Dancing with the Stars.

Don't get me wrong.

I'm not like hot for Travis Garland. There's something very swag about him. Like he's got... Is that what the kids say? He's got a lot of swag.

But I.

Love watching him sing the song.

So if you watch his Instagram, what he does is he'll do his rehearsal video of him singing it. And then in the little box is the dance. He is a great voice. I hope he wins America's Got Talent. Is it still going or is it over?

He got eliminated. What?

Why?

Who could be better than him?

He got eliminated before the semifinals, I believe it was.

That's why he's back in the ballroom. Yes. That guy has got serious swag. What is the word for... What does a cool kid say? Like, he's got riz. The riz. Riz. That's what it is.

I gotta say, he doesn't do it for me.

But wasn't he... I'm not attracted to him. He's married. I don't want to make out with him. It's none of that. But when he's singing those songs and he does this kind of little this and that-y, shaky shaky, I'm like... Shaky shaky. Dude.

What?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but he's... been in the world, the Zeitgeist.

He was in like a boy band or something, right? Yes, with Kevin McHale. Oh my gosh, NLT. Wait, that's not Matthew Morrison's boy band also, was it? No, no, no. Kevin McHale from Glee, NLT. NLT, yes. JJ. Yes, yes, yes.

Are Kevin McHale and Travis Garland still buds?

They must be.

I know that also all the Glee cast was like at Dancing with the Stars for Harry, right? Yeah, Chris Colfer was there, yeah.

And a bunch of them.

You know, this is my pitch. I want Gavin DeGraw.

You already did Dancer of the Stars. You're trying to get rid of Travis Garland?

Maybe.

Wait, no.

Here's the thing.

I'm not trying to get rid of him. I just want Gavin to be back in the zeitgeist like this.

Well, we can work on that. But Travis Garland sings Teddy Swim's song, The Door. I didn't even know that song. Sought on Dancing with the Stars. Immediately go to Travis Garland's Instagram. Immediately download Teddy Swim's.

I mean, artists.

No wonder they want their songs on Dancing with the Stars. Because you literally find out about cool songs from Dancing with the Stars.

Yeah.

Dancing with the stars is the moment right now.

Do me a favor. Just go on Instagram right now. We're just going to do this live. We're going to do a live watch and go to Travis Garland. So like search Travis Garland. I'm going to do it with you. I'm going to do it with you. Okay. Travis Garland. So then click on that and then click on his thing and scroll down to the door. Do you see that?

The door. And I will turn mine down and tell me you do not. He had, tell me that guy does not have Riz. He has I don't even have the volume up. And I'm like, that dude's got one big muscle showing on at my face. And then he's got those little dancey moves. Riz, Riz, Riz, Riz. You know how he got the gig? Mark Ballas.

All roads lead to Mark Ballas.

All roads lead to Mark Ballas. Mark Ballas, by the way, might be my front runner now.

You know, I got to give it to Mark too.

I am stunned by the, by the elimination of Taylor though. Stunned, shocked, dismayed, whatever the words are, not happy about it.

I think they were not happy about that.

I don't understand how they possibly went home.

Yeah. Look, what? I am not happy about it.

I think because people are rooting for Guillermo because he's playing into the fun.

It does not have to be Guillermo, but what about the banana? The banana. Savannah Banana. Yeah. What about your friend Sierra? How's she doing?

Sierra isn't... I mean, look. This is my hot take. This is my hot take. This is what I wanted to talk about with Dancing in the Stars. Jenna Dewan, Val Shmerkovsky do a Dance of a dance.

It is stunning, beautiful, flawless, if you will.

I have to watch a little of it right now, but keep going.

And I watch it and I'm like, cool.

I know you're like not loving them.

But I love them.

That's the thing.

Is it like Carrie Ann Anaba said, she's trying too hard or something?

I don't even know if it's that.

It's just like, I can't dig.

Their stuff is beautiful. It is stunning. I cannot critique it.

But Sierra Miller, who can't even be close to that at this point, I watch it and I go.

Yes, girl, you do it.

Right, right, right.

I'm so happy for you.

You know?

Do you think, because like.

I don't mind watching Val with that white blazer unbuttoned, though.

Jenna, I feel like it's unexpected. Like, I feel like Carry On was on point.

Or is it like watching two professionals dance where you're like, oh, it's so good, but like, I'm not.

Excited by it because... It's just two professionals dancing. Right.

Maura Higgins with Mark. I'm like a jaw to the floor. Did not know she had that in her.

The winner is Ezra though. Are you kidding me?

Oh my God. Do not even get me started on Ezra.

Ezra is the winner. Should be the winner.

The one, two people that I will say that totally draw me in that I did not expect to.

Maura and Mark. Tatiana Ali.

She is doing so great. I love her.

And I love, I honestly love how like much Alfonso loves her you can.

Just tell obviously they're on the show here's what I think I think it's going to be a rough week next week somebody's going home that's going to be unexpected.

I know how can they not I think I'm not emotionally invested into like Jenna Dewan I think.

That's what it is. It's like watching two pros dance. Yeah. You're not feeling like. You're not rooting for it. Are they going to fall? Oh, no. What's going to happen? Are they going to be good? It's like, obviously, they're going to be good. Another one.

Connor Wood.

He's so darling.

And I am literally his biggest cheerleader. I'm like, he is so cute.

Do the foxtrot. I love your foxtrot.

I agree with you.

I have a question because I know everyone's talking about the VMAs and Taylor Swift. And I want to talk about Ella Bright, of course.

But.

What is this video that literally multiple friends have been like, did you watch the video of Patient Zero?

No, I did not.

Iconic.

So good.

What makes it so good?

Good.

The leading man.

Who is the leading man?

That's what she said.

She has Colin Farrell. That's a good casting.

And Dakota Johnson.

Should I watch it?

That's why she introduced her at the VMAs, right? So do I watch, what's it called? Patient Zero.

Yeah.

Sounds like a zombie movie. Okay. I'm watching it.

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Okay, it's good. It's really a good video. Yeah.

At first, I was like, wait, what's happening? Because they obviously look alike. And then, because we were all watching it together during the break.

So then I'm like, what's happening? I didn't realize she was a ghost until the end. And then I did see like, I was like, Oh, there's Matthew Stafford at the party. There was a few good celeb cameos.

Aaron Andrews husband.

Oh, Oh yeah.

These are like all her friends. And then is he, okay. So let me tell you what I think it's about. And then tell me if you agree. So obviously Taylor Swift was married to Colin Farrell. I'm just gonna use the actor's names.

Right. And he poisons her and kills her. Mm-hmm. I think, yes.

Yes, but I also think there's a hypothetical to it.

You can get to that part.

So then she's singing the song, because the one part that's confusing me is like, because she's saying like.

but she's dead. But that's probably just part of the video.

So then Dakota Johnson is now married to Colin Farrell and it's all glamorous and wonderful. And then the drama starts happening. And he's obviously probably has a new lady. Maybe it's Cara Delevingne.

I'm not sure.

And then he's poisoning her in her coffee. because she's not feeling good in.

The car part. And Taylor Swift is saying like, run, run, run. She's like her ghost. Right. And run in the wine like he's going to murder you too. Yep. And I'm patient zero. I was the first one to deal with this. Yeah.

So I think what the truth is- Good song, good video.

Better video. Good song, real good video.

So I think like the real story of this is Taylor Swift dated somebody and that relationship killed her, right? You know, in the sense of like, it destroyed her personally. So then she's off on her merry way. And this guy that she dated in her past is dating somebody new. And this person is dying slowly in the relationship and is reaching out to Taylor to say, hey, Taylor, did you experience this too?

And she's like, I got you girl, call me.

Yeah, I did that once and it happened.

And the person was so awesome and amazing and literally was like, yeah, that happened to me too, run.

Literally, the video, that happened to me. That's what I feel like. Although there was no murder. There was no murder.

I think Taylor likes to make it grander in her videos.

Correct.

I also think Taylor, okay, is there any world where like, something to this sort of happened, but then Taylor is smart and knows how to really write a song and make a video.

Like it's just, that's exactly the point.

I think what I said is what the reality is, but then this is the video.

People take all her stuff very literally when maybe like, it was just like a small modicum of, they say, as they say of sort of truth to it.

And then she can write the song. Because I mean, I can't write the song, but I can write the song and do the video too. Because like, girl, I've been there too. I totally get it.

I just don't know how to write songs or make music videos.

Right.

And she's had conversations like this too with her girlfriend.

So this is one of four songs that were released as the encore. And she's getting a lot of heat for the encore saying that it wasn't good.

I know people are being really mean on one of them. They're being really mean about one of them. Which? Saying it's a bad song. Look, I... I appreciate it. I've heard it.

Like, is it her best song ever?

No.

But I think it's cute.

He's from Cleveland. Yeah, so.

Yeah, he's from Cleveland.

Oh, so is it about like, I went to Cleveland and fell in love? Mm-hmm. I met a boy from Cleveland? What's it about?

Yeah, essentially.

Let her live. Let her live. Let her meet a boy from Cleveland.

Like, you're shaming her for putting her diary into words and like, not into words, it is words, her diary into a song.

Let her do it. Let her let us in.

I don't understand. Look, Here's my thing. I'm not like the front row super fan, right? But I'm also not like here to drag Taylor Swift, who's like iconic, right? Like, let these people do their thing.

Right.

All I will say is I love Patient Zero.

I find the.

Song to be very catchy. And I love that video.

So you know what?

I also think great casting. Dakota Johnson and Colin Farrell. Unexpected with Colin Farrell, but yet, hello.

Can I add a little swiftness in here? You know the clues that she gave at the Emmys? Saccharide, Aries, From the Vineyard, North or South?

Oh, is that all in the video? All in the video. Saccharide was a sugar molecule.

Colin Farrell plays a lead character on an Apple TV series called Sugar.

Aries, you see the statue in the... This feels very, very stretchy to me. From the Vineyard, Cara Delevingne was in it. North or South? North or South Dakota? So I think.

Those are like, oh, my God, I have to say that's insane.

That feels like I could do that with anything.

I could be like, no, but it's like literal North and South Dakota.

They also say that Cara Delevingne was in the Bad Blood music video.

So they think that this is a.

Connection to the guy that that album was about.

I don't know about any of all that, but what I can say is that Colin Farrell is 50 years old and looks amazing.

Like honky honk.

Like Colin Farrell is so hot.

He's so hot in that video. And like, how old is Taylor Swift? She's not that old, right? 35? She's my age.

She's 37. She's turning 37.

And how old's Dakota Johnson? The same-ish.

Right, so they cast this dude who's older, but he looks good. Like, Colin Farrell is totally not, does not feel old for this video.

Dakota Johnson's 36. You just gave me kind of chills.

What if it's one of the older people that she dated?

Like, they purposely dated older people?

Jake Gyllenhaal? She did.

Jake Gyllenhaal.

Let's not name names here, guys. Like, we don't know. Well, I thought we already went through the Scarves thing with Jake Gyllenhaal. I just got chills.

You just pointed out kind of an obvious thing.

Wait, Colin. So I discovered a thing. Jake Gyllenhaal.

Or John Mayer.

Or John Mayer. Why are we naming all these poor people?

Like, maybe it was just like, look, people have like, look, here's my thing.

Like, They're like five years apart.

Look, I believe that Taylor ended up with Travis and they are totally great. And if she didn't have all these people, maybe she never would have found Travis and she would have never known that Travis was the one and blah, blah, blah.

So I am like, I am. Thank you. Next. You know, Ariana Grande. Thank you. Next. I like that. I'm going to thank you. Next. I'm sure Taylor Swift is like, thank you. Whoever. Because you led me to Travis. Yeah.

Yeah.

Right. That's good.

Right.

Thank you. Next. Oh my God.

Okay.

Is that a good song? Thank you. Next. I feel like it kind of is. It is good.

I love that song. But speaking of the VMAs.

Madonna. What is happening? What is happening? What is happening?

What was happening? I did not watch the VMAs, but I only watched the clips. And I thought, is she, what's going on? She seems a little, what's, what's happening? Was something off?

I think she was just being Madonna. The thing that I was.

Like, oh boy. So is she being Madonna portraying someone awful?

I don't know the answer to you.

Okay.

First, I love Tom Cruise so much, but I can't watch him go through the Jennifer Hudson line. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh my gosh. I saw that. The Tom Cruise is here. Like I can't, I was like, oh, I need it to end. And it was the longest one they've ever done.

I was like, oh, and his, oh, like, so I'm wondering like Tom Cruise knows how to play like, the best interviewer-y you've ever had, right?

Right.

So maybe Madonna just knows how to play, like, I seem cuckoo. I'm doing it on purpose. I have no idea. I don't know.

All I felt like, and I felt this way when I was at Coachella and she went on stage with Sabrina Carpenter. She just totally went on stage. She was supposed to be, it was Sabrina Carpenter's set she was headlining. And Madonna came out on stage and then all of a sudden it was the Madonna show.

And I was like, wait, are we here for Sabrina?

No.

And somehow Sabrina got roped into this one too, right?

Exactly. Because it was like best do or whatever. And like the same thing happened. And I could see Sabrina being up there being like, Oh no.

But maybe Sabrina's in on it. I don't know. I don't know what that whole, like my people call back. I know.

I know.

I don't know.

Well, would I rather watch Madonna's performance or Tom Cruise go down that hudson line i did i watched the interview with jennifer hudson and i was like it's very lovely it seemed too planned i think that's my problem with it seemed very planned okay yeah i don't know.

If you went down that line.

What would you do i would not know what to do i would.

Jason ritter knows how to handle it he's real good at it.

Or um pen badgley Oh yeah, wasn't he the best one ever?

Wait, I have to re-watch Penn Badgley go down.

Because I feel like he was the best one ever at it, right?

Oh my God. Now I have to re-watch Penn Badgley. Hold on, hold on.

I feel like he, oh yeah, dude, he nailed it.

Penn Badgley is the best one ever.

He also has He can dance.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah, his is a winner. His is a... Okay. Also, Penn Badgley is very hot. Very hot.

He is.

Okay, Penn.

He could have played the Colin Farrell role pretty well.

Oh.

Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah, Penn Badgley can dance. That's the thing.

Except I don't think she would pick Penn Badgley just because... Oh, because of the thing.

Oh. Yeah. What did you think of Belmont? I do not care for the Reebok ad. Here's the thing. I don't mind the, I just want to dance. I just want to have fun or whatever that is.

I mean, it was a little cringy with the like shirt thing, but I was still like, he's hot.

Here's the thing about Belmont.

Did you see him going to the like Paris fashion and he's wearing the blazer with no shirt under it and the sunglasses.

I think this is his vibe. What is so funny? Oh no. Are you watching Belmont's video? Oh, you're watching Tom Cruise too. I know. Tom Cruise going down the Hudson thing. He's riding a horse. And it's also like he's backwards the whole time. Yeah, you can't see him. The comments are hilarious. You had one job. You need to come in as the guy from Tropic Thunder. Like, you know, so I don't know. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't love the, what do you call that? What do they call that? The Jennifer Hudson dance? Spirit Tunnel.

Spirit Tunnel, isn't it? Spirit Tunnel. Yeah.

I don't, I'm not like, the Spirit Tunnel, cringes me out no matter what.

So, okay.

Belmont, the Reebok ad. Here's my critique of the Reebok ad. The concept is great. I love that he's like the director and they can't do the dance. And so he's like, I will go up in my Reeboks and I will do the dance. What I don't like is the choreography of the dance he does. And I'm not going to blame him for that. Now, maybe he signed off on it, but like I would have liked cool choreography instead of a lot of this stuff he's doing. And I don't I'm like, it's too jazz handsy.

I needed a cool. I'd rather have seen that. I just wanted to have fun. Like I'm giving more Napoleon Dynamite. Taylor Swift hugging Ella Bright. Why did I like it?

I liked it, though. No, it's Napoleon Dynamite. That's what a lot of people say. Oh, no, the Reebok ad is cringe. He's got a couple cringes, but, you know, whatever.

Oh, my God. I, like, totally love it.

Do you love the Reebok ad? I do. Really?

I don't think you can do wrong in my eyes. He's, like, I'm very much vibing with him right now.

He's fun. He seems like a fun Hank.

He is like sexy and super hot, even in the blazer with no shirt under it. And the hair is always a little greasy. And the sunglasses, I'm not mad at it, but it has a sprinkle of cringe. He's also like, I'm more kind of Brad Pitt-y rather than Belmont.

Do you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I kind of like the Brad Pitt look, the Colin Farrell look.

Is this the next generation of like the hot throbs and all of that?

Wait, so Ella Bright hugging Taylor and then someone found the picture of Ella Bright like as a little, little kid.

At a Taylor Swift concert? Yeah, she posted it.

There was some interview where they asked her like, who is one person you just can't be in a room with?

And she was like Taylor Swift.

So she....

I don't want to brag, but two of my friend's kids were at the VMAs.

Who's the other one?

Oh, yeah. Isabel May.

Her mom is also like a total pal of mine. And like, wow, these moms have got superstar kids.

Isabel May looked adorable too. Izzy to me, but Isabel to you all.

Yeah, no, she's super cute.

She looks so cute. I can't wait to see her movie. But Ella Bright as a little kid, that does look a lot like her mom. When I first saw that, I was like, whoa.

They are cute. Ella Bright is so cute. So is Antonio Cipriano. I'm sorry. Have you heard the version of Babydoll? Yes.

Jamie Miller, Babydoll with Antonio Cipriano should be like having a huge music career.

I agree.

Maybe he will after off campus or he's going to have a song or something, you know.

That guy can sing.

I feel like we've only seen this much of him and he's just going to explode.

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

There's somebody else that I meant to be like, wow, that person can really sing. And now I have forgotten who that was. When it comes to me, I'll tell you.

So, oh, I just.

Did mention this in our text, but shout out to Aviator Nation for their amazing NFL collab.

I've ordered quite a number of sweatshirts. My Rams gear is ready to go.

The big ones.

Every team. Every team. And I ordered Rams and 49ers. I'm torn. But like, I was just like, am I a Raiders fan too? Because the sweatshirt is so cute. I was just like, can I be everybody's? Yeah.

No, the sweatshirt's cute.

I like it. Really cute. Oh, okay.

I think we've put a pin in the iced coffee debate by... Gen X winning and saying, Gen Z, don't bring that in.

Right? Exactly. I feel like we've got a pin in that.

Right into the interview, yeah.

Did you see the Instagram thing I sent you of the lady who went into her car and there was a mouse in her coffee cup?

Oh my gosh.

Yes. I could not.

It felt very you because I feel like this happens to you often.

Well, because I am so terrified of rodents like rats and mice. I literally, truly mean this. Walking down the street and I can see a bear and I'm chill as can be. Any kind of mouse. I don't know what to do other than call 911.

Oh my God, by the.

Way, I watched in the line of fire, Peter Krause's show.

How was that? I'm going to tell you the honest answer. Oh, and also I've got a good sandwich story.

So when I first started watching the first say 15 minutes of the episode, I was kind of like, I don't know.

Like I was not, it wasn't bad. It just wasn't great. it really kicks in. And there are multiple twists, multiple twists that have me hooked. And I'm going to go watch episode two, like probably tonight. It's good.

I knew Peter Krause was not going to do a show that was not good. And Hope Davis too. And you know, Jenna Bush is like one.

Of the producers. Yes. Yes. She promotes on Today Show.

So the first 15 minutes are kind of like, I guess they have to exist for you to appreciate the twists. There are two major twists in episode one.

I'm in. I started watching Monster, the Lizzie Borden story. Is this the new Ryan Murphy monster? Yes. Okay, give me the, what is the Lizzie Borden story? Back in the late 1800s, Lizzie Borden axed her parents. 1800s? Late 1800s.

So murder has been around for so long.

Yes.

So I've heard of her and they've actually turned the house- That happened? I don't think so, because it was in Massachusetts. But they've turned the house that actually happened in real life into a museum.

Like the Winchester Mystery House type of thing?

Yes, yes.

First castle? Yes, you can go to these rooms where it happened. Do you like going to places where a murder happened?

No, I would never go to Lizzie Borden, but I have been to Winchester.

But that's not murdery, right? Winchester's no. It's just weird tunnels. It's like haunted or something, yeah. Yeah, like weird doorways that lead to nothing. Oh. Is it claustrophobic-y though? I don't know if I would like that.

I don't recall it being claustrophobic-y. I went when I was like a teenager. But yeah, it's really like the first scene, if you watch, it's the first scene.

Who stars in it? It shows the murder. It shows the murder right out the gate. John Hale. Charlie Hunnam. Oh. Charlie Hunnam. Let me get my ears checked. But literally when you said, I thought you said Jon Hamm. I'm like, how is Jon Hamm on every show? Charlie Hunnam. He's that babe. Rebecca Hall. Yeah, Rebecca Hall. I don't know who Rebecca Hall is right at the moment.

And then the Lizzie Borden, I forget her name, but she's very doll.

So like you give it, you're watching, you're going to keep going. Yeah, but it took me two days to get through the first episode.

And it's very creepy and weird and strange.

I know.

I have a hard time with American Horror Story. It scares me a little bit.

Yeah, I'm scared a little bit. That show from scares me too. I can only watch it during the day.

Yeah.

But it's hard for me to get through it because I literally have to watch it in the middle of that kind of stuff.

So, yeah, I'm watching Fear the Walking Dead and I can I literally went to bed at 2 a.m. last night and a full zombie just was like on my TV screen.

I'm like, it's fine.

How does that not scare you? But American Horror Story does.

How? I don't know. I think sometimes I can't explain things.

Is it because what scares me is like when there's real supernatural stuff and.

Like the capabilities of humans. And I know we're not in the zombie apocalypse right now. Exactly.

So I know that a zombie is not going to pop out from under my bed right now.

Versus like.

Just like why I don't mind shark movies. Because I'm like, I'm not in the ocean right now.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's like versus somebody who could potentially do this and kill their parents.

Right.

I'm not going to watch when mice and rats kill. because there is one in my attic and I hear it.

Oh God. Yeah. It's really bad. I think, I think we've got it under control.

I have a terrible feeling that there might be something up right in here because you know, like my ears are real mouse ready.

They're really triggered to hear it. Just even a tiny pitter patter. I literally go, what was that? Oh, scary, scary, scary. Oh, But yeah, I would recommend it. It's good acting. I didn't mind Charlie Hunnam in it. My list, I got my printout. Oh, yes. I'm busy, guys. Busy. My printout of 100 best shows. And I have a lot of problems with this list. A lot of problems. Yeah. Yeah.

Separately, though, I have now found a sandwich that I'm going to give an 8.5 to. So, you know, I think I've talked about it. My quest to find the perfect deli sandwich.

So.

You know, I.

Could say I'm going all over California, but I'm focused pretty northern California right now. And I went to the, you know, Marie cheese and I went to dimension. and everyone said, those are the ones. No, I sometimes give those a five. I've now tried brass bear deli in Danville. It might be technically Alamo, very close to where the Gilmore girls thing is happening.

8.5.

I had an 8.5 of a sandwich. Now I got to go back and do it again.

Are you getting the same thing at all the locations?

No soggy bread. The bread was not soggy.

The bread, it's all about the bread, but it's also, they have a sign in the Brass Bear Deli that says like, we only use the best meats.

I agree.

I agree, Brass Bear Deli. The meat was great. Look, I created a great sandwich. I took some liberties because I normally do not do salami, but I think one of the problems was that I needed a little something to the turkey. So I did turkey with a tiny bit of salami, lettuce, mayonnaise, mustard, pickles on the sourdough roll.

8.5.

And like, look, I don't know if I'm going to find a 10. So 8.5 is super high.

That sounds good. Anybody have another? Anybody in LA? Give me any... Where's your 8.5?

Mike's Deli in LA. When you come down to LA.

Where's Mike's Deli? It is.

I cannot tell you the streets.

Is it better than the one that Eileen always gets us that I have the names on my head?

I don't. I like that one. Although they did have an issue. They got like a C. What was it called though? What's it called?

No, no, no. She's talking about... Bay cities.

I hate it.

And I'm going to give Bay cities pretty high marks. Yeah. Well, look to each their own. Talk to me.

I feel like when I get a Bay city sandwich, I have to chew it for 50 hours.

Before it's all over.

Sometimes like a bad piece of steak.

It's just like, I just, it's too much. It's too much.

I make really good sandwiches at home. And so I don't really go out to eat sandwiches because my sandwiches are always better. Oh, because you are a home sandwich connoisseur. I am a sandwich queen at home. What do you make at home? What do you do at home? And what kind of bread? Where do we get this bread?

I put mayonnaise on when you toast your bread. Oh, the bread is just from frozen bread. I don't like warm sandwiches. Oh, okay. It's okay. Keep telling them. I put mayo on both sides. Yes. Okay.

So my husband told me that the trick to a good grilled cheese is you put mayo on the outside and that's what you, instead of butter.

Yeah. Instead of butter. I do that. Why do they do that on the TikTok? Scratchy, scratchy, scratchy. Like, why is that supposed to be so ASMR? Like, it's weird. They're like, scratchy, scratchy. Okay. So what do you put in there? Oh, I also toast the meat. Like it's normally ham. Oh, I don't like, I don't care. I don't do warm meat. That's so cool. Sometimes I grill the onions. Yeah, I like warm sandwiches. I don't like cold sandwiches. Yeah, I don't do warm deli meat. That's gross.

Amy, when you come back down to LA, I'll take you to Mike's.

Yeah, I'll do that. Where is it? What part of town? It's Boston.

I think it's Englewood-ish.

I think that's great. It's like kind of near your house, between your house and my house. Trust me. Would we hit that before we go to the forum? Yes.

When I used to live in Santa Monica, I used to drive all the way to it to get it.

I'm obsessed. I get it. So would that be something we should eat at Jingle Ball for lunch? Yes. Ooh. Okay, great. Ooh, yay. I'm going to try. Delicious. De-lish. Wow. I love it. Okay, fine. Look, Brass Bear Deli, 8.5. So you've got to impress. Let's do it. And that's the news. And that's the news? Is this the news? No, this isn't the news.

No.

And thanks for listening because you wanted to.

Bye-bye.

Sing your little song. Sing your little song.

Oh, I can't recreate that.

You're like, listen, because you wanted to.

Listen. Listen. Listen.

Isn't that a Jennifer Hudson song?

Yeah, it was in Glee, too, I think. Oh, yeah, it was in like... What was that? Dreamgirls? Dreamgirls? Listen. Listen. Yes.

I've only seen Dreamgirls once.

There's a sound within my heart.

Is that the word? I don't think that's the word. I think that's how it goes.

Bye.

Bye. Bye.

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