I Am All In…Again: We are IN, we are ALL In (Season 5 E3 “Written in the Stars")

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I Am All In, again, with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson, iAmAllIn Podcast, one of the productions of iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcast. We have a recap episode here. It's episode three, season five, written in the stars' air date, October 5th, 2004. I am joined by the illustrious and ever-popular Suzanne French. Suzanne, hello. Pleasure. Hello.

How you doing?

I'm excited to be here.

This is the I Am All In episode.

It's a biggie. It's definitely a biggie. Luke and Laurel, I go on the first date. Emily and Richard are figuring out being separated by a pool house, and Rory meets the man of dreams, Logan. Directed by Kenny Ortega, written by Amy Sherman Palladino. Emily and Richard are separated. Rory and Lorelei start Friday night dinner in Richard's pool house, then move to the main house with Emily for dinner.

She asks for repeated stories, and Richard walks in, grabs something. They argue. Emily gets mail for a luncheon. asks for a meeting with Richard. They sit at the table, take care of business, argue about the car, parties. Emily has dinner by herself, and she compliments Madonna Louise. She goes on to read by herself, walks around. She peeks outside, sees Richard leaving. She calls Lorelai and is stunned. Richard is leaving somewhere, 7.30 at night. Emily leaves the house as well, calls Lorelai again from the car, this time venting to her she isn't going to drive home until Richard is home. She shows up at Rory's dorm. But the wake for Asher Fleming is happening.

Paris thinks she's there for support and hugs Emily.

All right, Suzanne, let's get into this. How does seeing Emily and Richard this way make you feel?

You know, this whole episode is about transitions. So relationships beginning, relationships potentially ending. it is sad in a way to see Emily and Richard being apart. You know, Richard is trying to give Emily her space until she works through whatever it is that's going on, but she almost doesn't know what to do with that space. Like she's wandering around the living room. She sits to read a book, but doesn't want to read a book. And it's just interesting to watch. So I feel kind of bad, but at the same time, I also think like this was a long time coming. Like Emily has had, you know, kind of all this, this pent up frustration.

For years now.

And she needs to break out a little bit and kind of figure out.

What she wants.

So, you know, she's, she's confused basically.

And she's trying to figure out, you know, what feels right for her.

So you mentioned, you mentioned it's a little sad, but is it maddening as well?

Does it make you a little loco watching this? I, you know, I don't know, Emily, there's just kind of always a baseline level of mad with Emily for me at least.

But, you know, she is, she is kind of mean to Richard. Like he comes in to get something out of his office and she, you know, rips him a new one in the dining room right there. And so it, I don't know, she always is kind of frustrating to me. But I, I think I, I don't know. I, I, I sort of saw this as possibly a new beginning for her. She's trying to break out of her shell, you know, trying to figure out what her role in life is as Emily Gilmore and not Mrs. Richard Gilmore.

So for me, that was more the focus.

Yeah, that's two different characters, isn't it? That's interesting.

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah. You know, they're handling everything now like it's a business transaction, but yet we see Emily act like, you know, a young lady going after her ex-boyfriend later in the episode on Hinge, right? Right, right. So, you know, we're seeing a different side of Emily, you know, during the separation.

Would you call it a good or a bad side, Suzanne?

You know, I think there's elements of both.

I mean, I think....

You know, like you said, it's a business meeting. They make a point of showing them at opposite ends of this giant table, you know, talking about the meetings and the cars and the social events.

But then she, like, loses.

Her mind when he's leaving at night and she doesn't know where he's going. So I think it's good and bad. I think she's trying to find her place but also not understanding– what that place is going to be. So I think there's kind of, it's like two sides of the same coin, basically.

Where do you think this is headed? I mean, if you hadn't seen the show, if you didn't have any knowledge of the show, and we know you have more knowledge than most people, where do you see this headed?

So when I watched this, I was actually thinking from that perspective, because I very clearly remember the first time I saw this episode. So I was kind of thinking of it from that perspective. And At the time, I kind of always had a sense that this separation was going to be temporary because I just can't picture in my head Emily and Richard not joined together at the hip.

So even from the very first.

Time I saw this episode, I had this sense that they were going to work it out and somehow come to an understanding and meet in the middle. But I never could envision them not being together permanently.

Right.

And maybe Emily got to Emily that she's on a really good show and she should stay. Yes. Anyway, back to Luke and Lorelei. Here we go. Luke and Lorelei. Big episode, Suzanne, huh? Yes.

Oh, yeah.

Luke and Lorelei secretly flirt at Luke's. And he asked her out on a date that night. For their date, they head to none other than Sniffy's Tavern. Yes. Because if you haven't been to Sniffy's Tavern, you haven't sniffed. Luke knows the owners and he frequents it two or three times a week. I wonder why it's the only time we ever saw it. Yes. Because we really just want to see Luke in the diner, don't we? Right.

We don't want to have to recalibrate. This is Luke in Sniffy's.

Right.

He recalls the exact moment. He met Lorelei and keeps a horoscope. She gave him in his wallet eight years prior. She loves it. And we get into the iconic line, Lorelei, this thing we are doing here, me and you. I just want you to know I am in. I am all in. And yes, I recreated that performance for you right here. And it's certainly not as impactful. Should I try it again? Do you want to try it?

Yeah, give it one more go.

Should I give it another go? All right, let me try it again. Lorelei, this thing we're doing here, me and you, I just want you to know I'm all in. No, no. He says I'm in. I am all in, right? Yes. Okay. We have to go back.

Take three.

Take three. All right. Lorelei. No. No. Lorelei. Lorelei. No. That's not. That's wrong.

He wasn't so much shouting at her.

Suzanne, help me.

Help me.

You're right there. You're right on the edge.

I'm right there. He was nervous, wasn't he?

He was, yes.

Okay. All right. All right. Let me get nervous because I'm not nervous right now.

Oh, well, I can make you nervous.

How are you going to make me nervous?

I don't know. I'm not going to come up with something.

You're not going to come up? All right. Lorelai, this thing we're doing here, me and you, I just want you to know I'm in. I am all in. Yay.

Not bad, right?

Very nice.

All right. Okay. All right.

That was very good.

See, I was doing this. I was like doing a– I was making it physical, physicality of nervous. Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, that's good because that's what he was doing.

He was like kind of tapping the table a little bit.

Was he?

Yeah, like kind of fidgety.

Yeah.

Was he? It was me. Was I? Yeah. All right. So anyway, that was a fun, fun scene to shoot. It really was. And, you know, she didn't act all jittery and nervous or overwhelmed by it. She was kind of casual in that scene, wasn't she?

Yeah, she was calm.

You could tell, like, she was not making direct eye contact, you know, kind of at the end. Like, she was kind of coquettish. But, yeah, she wasn't flustered. She was just calm and serene.

Right. Just taking it in.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm sure you've been in this position. Maybe John did this to you when you were in your courting stages before. Did John ever, I don't want to, you don't have to answer this if you don't want to get personal, but did John do an all-in speech with you? This thing we're doing here?

No, actually, it was kind of the opposite. I kind of gave him an ultimatum. Because, you know, we had been dating for a long time and I didn't really know like what his intentions were. And so I told him, and we still joke about this, I said, he needs to decide if it's me or it's not me and so that was that was kind of how we approached that situation so yeah it was a little more from my side than his because I was just.

Around right right I don't think I announced this or people know or But I do want to announce this. And Suzanne, if you think it's a good idea, I'd like to announce your promotion, if you think that's a good idea. Listen, Suzanne and John French, they've been with me, I don't know, how many years now? 10, 12?

Almost 10, yeah.

But at least 10, right? Yeah. Yeah. And they're just so great, so helpful. And as you know, Suzanne is a recognized world global expert, PhD in all things Gilmore. She's constructing Gilmore Girls University, and she will be the headmistress.

That's a good idea, actually.

But... But Suzanne and John, I have named them co-CEOs of Scotty P's Big Mug Coffee. They're running the coffee company now with me. And I couldn't be happier. So it's great to have Suzanne and John with me.

So anyway, great.

Just so great. I'm just so happy it worked out. The negotiations were painstaking. It was Several months of back and forth. The agents and the lawyers. The biggest white shoe law firms in the city. It was unbelievable. The demands were outrageous, but you know what? What the hell? You're worth it, right?

Why, thank you. I'm enjoying my new Rolls Royce.

Yeah, I cleaned it all up for you and got it to you, just like the contract said. the next morning Luke and Lorelai struggle to, to, to, to get up and Lorelai needs coffee, but it's, but it's downstairs. So she puts on Luke's shirt and heads down, but the diner is open and everyone sees her, but it's only Luke's shirt. Hilarious. Yes. Hilarious. But everyone, now everyone knows.

All right. So then Lorelai runs into Babette and Miss Patty that's, the two people you do not want to run into if you want to keep a secret in that town. And I think that's really the point. There are no secrets in that town. And then next day, the next day, and then they are, they aren't saying anything to her. And Lorelai is a little bit disappointed.

You know, they head to the town meeting. Luke and Lorelai's relationship is actually up for discussion.

Taylor had charts and everything.

It was awesome.

Well, Taylor wants everybody to think of the consequences, and it's either Team Luke or Team Lorelei. Is this when all the team things started?

Maybe, yeah.

Yeah. So Luke and Lorelei head to the town meeting. Their relationship is up for the discussion. It's very funny. Luke defends himself, collects the charts, and says there's not going to be a breakup if Lorelei is still in. And she says, you bet I am. I mean, what a, I tell you, I did not like filming in that location, but man, that was fun. I remember really enjoying that because it was just such a funny scene and they all were right. But I mean, it was just charts of why they should break up and the consequences if they, I mean, it's hysterical.

Yeah. So, so good. So good.

And then Luke even like threw in a little wink at the end. So if, if you did, Didn't see that.

Go back and watch that scene. But, yeah, it's very cute.

All right. So, Suzanne, it's the famous I am all in line on the first big date after years of waiting and suffering and silence. Yes. Giving Luke some of his best moments with her, right?

Mm-hmm.

I think his best moments overall. Do you think the restaurant... Sniffies and the date was fitting for those two? I do.

So it does seem random at first because we've never seen Sniffies before and we're never going to see it again. You know, Buddy and Maisie just appear and then again, we don't ever see them again. So it does seem kind of random, but it does actually make sense in the context of the episode because they couldn't have gone anywhere in Stars Hollow for their date. So yeah, Out of necessity, because they didn't want people to know yet, out of necessity, they have to go somewhere outside of, you know, the town center. So it only makes sense that they would go somewhere that ends up being unfamiliar to viewers because we've only really seen, you know, Stars Hollow and Yale and Chilton.

And so.

It does seem kind of weird when you're watching. It's like, who are these people and, you know, where do they come from? Why don't we know about them? But it does make sense because they're not going to go to the pizza place or they're not going to go to Weston's Bakery for their first date because they would run into the entire town. So I think it does end up fitting even though at first it's a little kind of jarring.

Right, right, right. Another iconic moment, Lorelai running downstairs in Luke's flannel shirt and she thinks no one's in there. Everybody sees. So good. Tell me how this hit you the first time. Do you remember?

Oh, my gosh.

That scene, it's so short, but it's so perfect.

Like, just the visual of everyone completely frozen in place just staring at her and the looks, especially the look on Gypsy's face, but Gypsy and Kirk just staring at her and it's complete silence in the room.

It's just perfect.

Like it's, it's just absolute perfection. Like it's so funny. And then she gets kind of like this nervous smile on her face and it turns and runs back up the stairs.

Like it's, it's awesome.

It's so good. You know, the way it just seems so easy between them at the town meeting and Luke, even like proudly defending their relationship. This is just about, this is, this is what Laurel, I need someone to feel confident about her. I mean, how satisfying is it? To see Luke shout it from the rooftops that he and Lorelai are in a relationship.

It's so satisfying because Luke is typically so understated. unless he's angry about something, but he's usually not, you know, he just plays it so even keel and he's not overly excited or happy about very many things. And so for him to declare it in front of a room full of people, you know, including Taylor Dosey for the viewer was so satisfying because we've waited for this for so long. And as I mentioned earlier, you know, multiple times on the podcast, both here and on town meeting, you know, Amy Sherman Palladino is really good at taking the viewer right to the very edge of what they want.

And then she pulls the rug out from under them. And this is the one time that she doesn't do that. Like we actually get to see the completion of what we want to see. Like we see Luke being happy about being in a relationship with Lorelai and in the restaurant scene where he does the I am all in, I remember the first time watching this, and because there was kind of a pause between when he says this thing we're doing here, me and you, I thought, the first time I watched it, I thought he was going to say something like, it's not going to work, or it's too much, or I don't think we.

Can do this. I thought he was going to back out.

And so when he said i am all in i the first time i was like oh my god thank god he said that and not what i was expecting him to say so yes totally satisfying to see luke all in on this.

And this really you know you wouldn't recommend anybody you know taking this tack um to you know try to to win the heart of a woman. You know, it's just like, you know, you would advise somebody not to do that, right? But that's very, very old school, right? I mean, that is from a bygone generation and nobody does that kind of thing now. And when they do, it probably miraculously works. But I mean, that kind of honesty and earnestness And need, right? And reassurance from a friend, like, I'm not going to mess around. This is not me being casual or wanting to mess around with you. And I'm not really sure. And I want to keep my options open. BS. It's like, you're the one. You've always been the one. That's a lot of pressure on somebody,

you know, man or woman.

Yeah.

I thought she took it very well.

And it gives a sense of stability. Like this episode, like I mentioned at the beginning, it's all about transitions. So everybody's in a weird place in this episode, all of the main characters.

But then this Luke and Lorelei, now.

It feels foundational and it feels stable and like we're going to move forward from here.

So it was, yeah, so it was it was good.

That was that was his moment yep that was his moment all right Rory uh moves into her her new dorm uh Rory's moving into her new dorm she runs into Marty Paris isn't at the dorm yet and she is surprised she calls her and she lets her know Asher Fleming is dead I don't know. This just strikes me as so funny. He died two weeks ago at Oxford. Jesus.

Marty and Lorelei. I mean, only Paris can find herself in a situation this bizarre. Yes. Marty and Rory are at a coffee cart when we meet. Here he is, my guy.

Logan.

Logan. And I'm going to explain why in a minute. I'm going to do my master class on why I think it should be Logan. He's with Finn and Colin, and they greet Marty because he bartended for him at the party. Marty introduces Roy to them, but they don't really acknowledge her. Paris is back, and she can't believe that Asher is gone and wants to have a wake in her dorm. So, Roy... You know, this is Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman-esque, if you know the show.

That's going way back, yeah.

That's going way back to the 70s. So Rory puts up flyers for the event. And in Stubble, Logan, Finn, and Kyle looking for a girl they met last night. Logan now... Notice this, Rory. And they argue and banter because he doesn't like the way she doesn't like the way he talked to Marty. And he didn't even remember her at the coffee cart. She tells him off. Love, love that it's so inauspicious. And then he ends the conversation. Now, tell me that wasn't fun. At the wake, Paris continues to be sad, but most people don't know what's going on.

They just think it's a party.

Why is Professor Fleming lying in state in this room? Marty asks if Rory has a boyfriend. She gets upset because she doesn't know if she has one. She leaves and.

Heads to Dean's house.

Uh-oh.

Another Dean moment. He answers, Dean does, and lets her in. All right, so now Suzanne, we have finally met Mr. Logan. Yes. Do you remember watching the first time and your first impressions of Logan?

You know, he didn't... So I thought he was charming. Like, that was the intent. We were supposed to think he was charming.

But he.

It was still so early in the season, I wasn't sure how it was all going to sort out. So to me, he just at first was like the stereotypical frat boy where he's just interested in partying. He's kind of an arrogant jerk. Very similar to both Tristan and I'm blanking on his name, Christopher. So definitely like an echo of Christopher there.

Really? Yeah.

Yeah, you know, kind of the rich party kid that gets in trouble but can do the intellectual banter back and forth.

You know what I felt about, okay, let me just parry here with, Logan for me has a weight to him. He is far more solid a person, it seems to me, in my opinion, over Tristan or Christopher, who I both thought were such lightweights as people that they almost floated away, right? Yeah. Didn't know who they were, confused.

Yes, yes, I would agree with that.

A false bravado on Tristan and just a complete emotional immaturity with both of them, actually.

Right.

I did not find that with Logan. I thought Logan was grounded. Actually... Even though he was involved in this partying and he was in this phase of his life in college, I still felt an emotional maturity and I still felt kind of a man was there. That he was ahead of the game, that he was slowing down his own game, as it were, to sort of relate to this. But I always felt like he was a step ahead and that he was planning ahead. And that's the interpretation that fascinated me so much about what Matt Zuckrey did with that character is that there was this, there was this kind of maturity and this sort of admission of it without admitting it, that brought on this a little bit of sadness in him. Yeah. He was

so far ahead of everybody and his friends, even though he wanted to exist. He just reminded me of a very precocious person who was holding themselves back because they didn't want to, develop too quickly or get too far ahead of their own friends. That's just the impression I got. That, for me personally, is how I felt him. Yeah.

And I agree. As we get to know him, I completely agree with that. Just my first impression of him... From this episode only, we haven't seen that yet.

Right, right.

We just see, all we know about him is that he throws a lot of parties and can afford a bartender. Like, that's really all we know about him so far. I definitely agree with you in the long run that he was much more substantial and probably, it sounds weird to say it, but just a higher quality human being than either Tristan or Christopher.

Mm-hmm. There you go.

All right.

Well, he's intrigued by Rory and she is not afraid to tell him that she does not like him. And that's something he has probably never heard.

Yes.

And even ends the conversation. Well, now tell me that was fun. And that banner was quick and he came off, I thought really charming, like completely unaffected by it. Like, he was almost casting a spell on her and she was fighting it. And it was like, I want you to see who I am. I'm not afraid of who I am. I am precocious in a way, in many ways.

And you probably can keep up with me maybe, but I've got this. I just felt that sort of, I don't know. I just felt like Logan was this pilot. He was piloting the plane.

Yes. He's oozing self-confidence.

He really is. And not making a big effort about it, you know, not making a big deal about it. It's just, yeah, you're right. That's perfect description, oozing. Did you think at the time you first saw this as in that this would automatically be a new love interest for Rory? I mean, it's set up that way, so it's kind of obvious, but, you know.

It is, but it isn't. Like, I called this one wrong.

I thought Marty was going to be the love interest the first time I saw this episode, because we saw Marty in the beginning of season four when she first started at Yale, and then we didn't see him, like, the whole second half of the season. And then he reappears again now. So I, I thought that's where they were going to, to going to drive it. So I, I completely missed the mark on that one, but so I, it wasn't automatic for me. No, but, um, obviously it becomes apparent very quickly when we get into the next few episodes.

All right. There's a, there's a video going around. I just did a convention and I did a panel, uh, and, uh, in Connecticut. Um, and, um, Was it Connecticut? Yeah, it was Connecticut.

Yes.

Um, it was a new Milford. Yeah. And, uh, so I did a panel over there and I, and there's a video going around, uh, I'm explaining my, uh, my theory on why I think Logan is the best match for, for Roy. And I'm going to, I'm going to give you that dissertation right here and now, uh, in a, in a, in an abbreviated sense. Um, the way I think about it is, uh, if you game theory it out, all three, you know, Dean, Jess, Logan, uh, she marries each one in separate scenarios, right? Uh, 10 years out, there's a second kid. So now they have two kids are 10 years out. My question is who's likely to cheat.

Who's most likely to cheat of the three guys. I don't think she cheats. I think they all cheat. That's just my theory. I think all of them cheat. I think it's all in them. Um, And then you have to start, then you have to ask yourself about a divorce. Who's she going to get the best divorce settlement from?

And that's the part that audiences find particularly delightful. And for me, it's Logan because she gets the tens of millions or millions or whatever it is. She also gets a gut shot on Mitchum who disabled her journalism dream somewhat. The third point, and I think the most important point, the storytelling continues with a Gilmore Huntsberger progeny. How are those children going to turn out? Are they going to be like are they going to be Rory? Are they going to be Lorelai? Are they going to be girls?

Are they going to be Christopher? Who are they going to be like? You know, so you get a, you know, I think more likely a spinoff situation in a new series with a Logan, with a Huntsberger, Gilmore Huntsberger type vibe, right? So with Dean, you don't get it. With Jess, you don't get it. You really get it with Logan. So anyway, that's my dissertation. Thank you. Take me to the woodshed now audience and just, Beat this nut out of me for doing that. But that's just kind of how I feel about it. I like the storytelling to continue in that fashion. Anyway, Suzanne, thank you so very, very, very much.

It's always a pleasure to break down an episode with you. Your insights are just so great and so precise and insightful. So thanks again for your time. It's always fun. Taking away time from your duties running the coffee company with me. Yes, it's fun.

I'm going to go roast some coffee right now.

Yeah, a new shipment of beans just came in, eh? Anyway, thanks everybody for the downloads. Best fans on the planet, you know it. We love you. Keep the cards and letters common. We read each and every one of them. So helpful. Thank you all for that. Anyway, remember where you lead, we will follow. Stay safe. Hey, everybody, don't forget, follow us on Instagram at I Am All In Podcast and email us at gilmore at iheartradio.com.

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