IAAI Town Meeting: The Most Memorable Episode of the Series (Season 4 E22 “Raincoats and Recipes”)

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I Am All In Town Meeting with Suzanne French and Tara Sood. An iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of I Am All In Town Meeting with myself, Tara, and Suzanne. Hello. Hello. We're talking about the finale of season four, season four, episode 22, Raincoats and Recipes, which aired on May 18th, 2004.

Here we are.

Yeah. Where do we begin?

This episode gets like a 9.2 out of 10 on IMDb. This is a very popular episode.

Really? See, I think it is The number one most memorable episode for me for Gilmore.

Yeah.

Finale. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, this is literally like we're right in the middle and it's literally like the high point of the whole seven seasons for me.

Also, it was when I was watching last night that I was like, it really took a full four seasons to get Luke and Lorelai together. Like, it really hit me.

How do people hang on that long?

I don't know, because in my head, I'm like, what if they were about to get canceled? Right. What if they were like, oh, season four is not coming, and they're like, oh, we just did all that for no reason.

Yeah. I hate when shows, like, leave you like that. Like, they just cancel it, and there's no, like, wrap up.

The Resident with Matt Zucre is one of those that'll forever just kill me that it ended with, like, They didn't know it was their last season. Mind you, the last season definitely like... It wasn't bad. It just like wasn't the best, best season. But it was still really good. But then like literally it just never came back. They didn't get a last season. Right. And it to this day kills me. I've rewatched that show like four times.

I love that show. Anyway, let's start with Lorelai and Luke. Sure. First of all, I, in the last episode... I was like, oh, thank God. Like, Jason just went away. Yeah.

Until now.

Until now. And I was just like, okay, we'll go. Actually, let's rewind. So, she obviously tells Rory, like, hey, I think, like, we're dating. Like, me and.

Yes.

And then she seems like over the episode, like, backtracks. Yeah. Because like, then when they talk, sorry, I'm really jumping around. When Lorelai and Luke are talking about Jason, and he's like, I've given you all these signs, blah, blah. She acts like she didn't think that either.

Well, I think she didn't know what Luke was thinking. And she tells that to Rory in the Luke and Walt scene.

Yes, but she had a gut feeling. So why, when she was talking to Luke, she just acted like, I didn't know.

Yeah, I don't know.

I could be overthinking it. The Jason stuff. I was so ready to never see him ever again.

Yes. Yes.

And he's like a leech.

I liked that Lorelai stood her ground with him though. And she, because I was afraid, I mean, obviously I know how it's going to end, but I was afraid she was going to get wishy-washy and then like swing back towards Jason. So I'm, I'm glad she like kind of stood her ground and was like, no, you gotta go.

I'm not sure why she would let him sit there and eat dinner. I would have kicked him out the door.

I wouldn't have given him food either, but I did love him. She was like, can you soothe my dad? And I was like, thank you for just blatantly saying it.

Yeah. And I thought the scene with Jason and Luke, I thought that was interesting to see those two like finally interacting. And yeah, I just thought.

I don't know why I thought that. When Luke was like, who is that? I'm like, I swear I thought they've seen each other before.

Well, only through the window of the diner. That one morning that Jason went to Stars Hollow and they stopped outside because they were going to get coughed. And he's like, no, no, I can't go in there because I was tailgating that guy earlier. And he kept calling.

Yeah. Okay. You're right. You're right. Because I knew they were in the same like vicinity, but I guess I forgot that.

Yeah. So they never like actually met and Lorelai never even told Luke about Jason until that moment in like two episodes ago when they were in the kitchen. So yeah, they, it never was clearly made apparent to Luke that that's who Jason was.

Well, at least he's out of the picture officially. Yes. And obviously the famous scene of when Lorelai and Luke kiss and, um, Yeah. Oh my God. Kirk comes screaming is just one of the best scenes ever.

Such a classic moment because by the time when they're at that point in the show, you've kind of forgotten about the whole Kirk thing. And so then all of a sudden you're like, oh, that's right, Kirk. And it just, it was a hilarious moment. Like the timing I thought was perfect.

I do want to talk about how lovely the dragonfly looked.

Yes. Yeah, it's been a construction zone for so many weeks now, so it's finally nice to see it in its finished state. It's very pretty.

Yeah, even from the golf cart, the little details, I don't know, it was just very... I'm happy that Lorelai, and I know we didn't touch on this last episode, but I'm happy that she invited her parents. I know obviously it was because they're fighting and she wanted them together, but she had a point when she said at the last Friday night dinner, besides having Rory, this is such a big career And life moment. So she wants them to be there.

Yeah.

I did notice like she invited, it's like the day before, which I'm surprised that Emily didn't like lay into her for that. But I agree. Like her parents should be there. So yeah, it was nice. And then it was the whole thing with the confrontation with Jason. Then he was like, can I have their room? That was pretty funny.

Okay. But that part, I was like, this is why I don't like Jason. He's such a jerk.

He was a weenie in this scene for sure.

We never see him again, do we?

No, that's the last of Jason.

That's it.

Until we see him in the revival. But yeah, in the main series, this is the last we see of him.

And then we get to Rory.

Oh my God, Rory.

Okay.

I have, but I, before we rip Rory apart, I have a bone to pick with Dean.

So in the beginning, I have multiple to pick with him.

Well, yeah. I mean, obviously, I mean, I don't mean it to sound like the whole thing is Rory's fault because it's like, absolutely.

It takes two.

Yeah, exactly. And he's the one that was actually cheating on his spouse, but, um, It really bothered me when they were in the dragonfly in the scene where they almost kiss and Tom interrupts them. The way he was saying to Rory when they were talking about Jess and he's like, I don't want you with him.

You know what?

You're married to somebody else.

You don't get to have.

An opinion on who Rory dates. You're not in charge of that. And that like bugged the crap out of me the way he was like all, you know, male aggressive about it. Like, I don't want you with him. And it's like, who cares what you want? You know, like I don't want her with Jess either. But it was just the way he was. I don't know. It was really weird. Like his opinion even mattered in the whole thing, which it didn't.

So I think I've already I think Dean's already bugged me to just the way he acted when they broke up and then the way he's been acting like. Yeah. I think I was okay when they were cordial because they knew they were going to see each other and it should have stayed at that. It should have never continued past that.

Yeah.

Obviously now she's calling him and this and that. And like, also, also the other thing, I know we've talked about this, but like he's hanging out with Rory and then not telling his wife, which is even more sketchy. So like you have no right in saying who Rory should be with when you were lying to your own wife.

Right.

Exactly. You don't get that say.

And the, He talked, like, I know I'm, like, skipping ahead here, but the whole scene at Lorelai's house when, you know, they actually do the thing. And, you know, he's clearly telling Rory what she wants to hear, you know, because she's asking about Lindsay. And he's like, oh, it's over. And... and let's just think about this for a second because Rory tells Lorelai that they use protection. So he went over to Lorelai's house with a condom in his pocket.

Like he planned that whole thing.

You know what I mean? Like, well, I never thought about that part of it.

Like, you know, I guess theoretically the condoms could have been in the house. Maybe there were Lorelai's and Rory knew where they were and she went and got one. But I'm pretty sure that Dean belonged to Dean. You know what I mean? He went over there knowing what was going to happen.

Yeah, she doesn't just have one in her... She's not the person to have one in her bedside table.

Well, I know she kind of is, but....

At her mom's house?

But I meant Lorelai.

Oh, no, I meant Rory. I'm like, Rory doesn't seem like the person.

Yeah, Rory's not going to have one handy.

Unless, unless, wait, do we know, do we know if he brought, if he brought the condom?

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm assuming that he did because I think he planned this whole thing. He went over there knowing what was going to happen.

But you've just had a point that Lorelai could have had some. Yeah.

And Rory and Lorelai were, you know, kind of open about that sort of thing. So they could have been in the house already. But I'm not thinking it was Lorelai's. I'm thinking it was Dean's. I mean, because he went over there knowing that Rory was home alone. He knew what he was planning.

Why else would he have gone?

Right, exactly. That's my point.

Yeah.

It wasn't just a coincidence. Because he knew... Rory would be coming back with the CDs. So it wasn't about like just hanging out with Rory. It was about going to where she was alone.

He had an intention. Yes. What else was he going to do? Help her carry CDs? Come on.

Right.

It's not like it's furniture.

Exactly. Exactly. So he like set out to cheat on his wife. And Rory was like, oh, my Dean. Okay.

Yes, he is 110% in the wrong. But she is almost up there. Because when Lorelai started asking questions like, Did he say he's leaving Lindsay, which still isn't a reason to sleep with someone who's married. But like Rory didn't have an answer to that.

Right, right. And she's like, but he took the ring off. Like somehow that makes it okay.

Somehow that finalizes a divorce in Rory's head. Also, here's the other thing. If someone that you're interested in, let's think big picture, not your ex. Let's think big picture. Let's say you meet someone. and they're going through a divorce, wouldn't you still feel weird? Like, wouldn't you still be like, okay, like, is this divorce finalized? Like, what, how long has it been?

Because if they, if the divorce papers haven't even come through, you're like, okay, well, this is, if the divorce papers have just been signed, then you're like, okay, that's, there's, it's timing wise, right? To like, I'm not saying it's okay because people meet other people and life goes on and things change. People get married again. Like, that's, that is normal. But, I don't think Lindsay knows that she's getting a divorce yet. Yes, exactly.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

And that's what I meant earlier by Dean was saying what Rory wanted to hear. So he was saying that we agree that we're not together, that this isn't working. But not really. He wants Rory to think that. but this is all on Dean's side. Like we know that there hasn't been an agreement where Dean and Lindsay are like, yes, let's break up. Like Lindsay is blindsided by this whole thing.

So yeah, she is the victim in it.

All for sure. For sure.

Yeah. I feel bad because like, you know, I know we talked about like, what are her expectations and a husband and all that? Like she doesn't want to work, but she wants to hang out with him. Like it's just a little childish. But she really is innocent in all of it. Like, she really didn't do anything.

Right, exactly. And, yeah, she was unrealistic about, you know, what marriage means, maybe. But that doesn't mean she deserves to get cheated on. Like, she was completely an innocent victim in this whole thing. And Dean kind of set it up so that Rory is thinking one thing and it seems like it's, you know, not so bad. Yeah, Dean is the one that orchestrated this whole thing, but Rory was just in such denial about it. What does she say to Lorelai? She says something about, aren't you happy it was somebody that really loves me? Why would you think Lorelai would be happy about any of this?

Yeah, it was a really weird statement.

Yeah. And Rory's like, oh, but, you know, she's not, she's trying to make it out like this was a good thing that happened because, you know, well, Lindsay isn't good for Dean and he loves me. And isn't this great that this happened? And she's just like completely out of touch with reality.

Yeah. This is like the last episode in this one is where Rory really just loses me. like yeah seriously it's just yeah and yeah.

For yeah this one especially because especially when Lorelai says you know Dean was cheating and and Rory's like he wasn't cheating well of course he was he was having sex with somebody that wasn't his wife what do.

You think cheating means you need the definition.

So yeah she's just I don't know she's a problem she's gonna be a problem for a few more episodes here.

Yeah literally I really wish Jess was back in this finale to throw everyone for a loop.

Can you imagine if Jess had showed up at the Dragonfly? That would have been awesome.

Honestly, yeah. I wish that happened.

That would have been really cool.

And also, I didn't feel, even though I know we were supposed to, I didn't feel bad when she called and Lindsay picked up.

Yeah. She needed that reality check.

It happened real quick.

Yeah.

35 seconds after he left. yeah yeah i mean do you think that do you think if he picked up she still wouldn't have like known the difference like knowing that she did something wrong.

I i don't i think she still would have been in denial because also how fast does she think he got home well i think she because she was calling his cell phone so i think.

She he didn't have his phone on him No, because.

In the next episode, which we haven't watched yet, so maybe you don't remember.

He.

Yells at Lindsay because she answered his phone. Yes, yes, yes.

Okay, thank you. I was like, did I miss a part of this episode?

Yeah, that's coming in the next episode. So it was his cell phone, which for whatever reason he didn't have with him, whether he forgot it or whatever. But yeah, so I think Rory just expected him to pick up because she was calling his cell phone.

Yeah, okay. Yep, I remember this now. Sorry, I was like, where is that in this episode?

There's a lot, like, packed in here. I'm mad at Rory not only for the Dean thing, but because she ruined Lorelai's big moment.

I know. I know.

Luke and Lorelai were on track for something here, and then Rory had to go and ruin that. So I'm kind of mad at her for that.

Also, just a random call out, but in the opening scene, which she's making macaroni and cheese, don't they usually just eat mac and cheese out of a box? The fact that she was straining macaroni at 2 a.m.

That's true. She actually boiled pasta.

Yeah. And then she was putting full slices of cheese. Yeah.

That's true. That's a good point.

I was like, what happened? It threw me off the first episode because I'm like, well, I guess it makes sense because she was trying to keep busy at 2 a.m. Yeah. But I was like, you have never in your life boiled pasta.

Yeah. All right, so one other thing I noticed, and I don't know if you caught this, in the background where they were at the Dragonfly and they're getting everything set up, did you notice one of the guys that was setting the place settings of the table licked the silverware before he put it on the table?

No, but I feel like Suki's done that many times throughout the series.

That's true. She, like, will mix something and then taste it and then put the spoon back in.

Yeah. I feel like she did it multiple times.

It was funny because there was, like, kind of the running story about, you know, all these people are so great. Who's Suki going to fire? Like, maybe start with that person. But, yeah, just kind of one of those funny things in the background. And then also, did you notice the two emo guys that were hanging out in the background?

No.

So there were two guys. We saw them. They checked in at the desk and Lorelai gave them their keys. And then we see them in the background in the dining room scene. And Tom was sitting with them. It was like these two guys with like these shag haircuts and black sweaters and black pants. And like they looked like, you know, maybe 20-ish, like late teens, early 20s. Like just these two kind of emo guys hanging out in the background.

I don't know who they were. Did not pay attention. I have no idea.

Just random people.

I don't know.

Good times though. Good times at the Dragonfly.

I'm actually very happy that we have the Dragonfly like established and done. Cause now it's like, you know, it made me think this finale was really setting up the future of the show. Yeah. This one in particular.

That's true. Yeah. Because so, so much of it now from now on, like that's kind of the foundation of their whole, that's like the setting of, of a lot of storylines now.

It was a good finale. I mean, I, Yeah. I want to watch it. Actually, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to watch it again before watching the next episode.

Mm-hmm.

Just to tee it up.

Yeah, because season five, episode one picks up that same night.

Same night.

Yeah. So that's a good idea.

I always wondered, like, did they go right into the next episode or did they just have to basically refilm in the same outfit, same everything?

I think, like, they started again. Like, they didn't shoot the two episodes at the same time.

Mm-hmm.

And I can't remember now where I read it, but I read somewhere that someone... was it Sean Gunn somebody had gotten a haircut over the summer and so they had to wear a wig in the next episode I want to say it was Sean Gunn I'll see if I can find that information again but yeah I think they had to just repeat the same wardrobe and everything else and it was like a totally different shoot months later.

But what's crazy is that means that the set designers have had to literally place everything back. Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Or just hold it.

You can't hold it through the summer, though.

On a soundstage?

You can't leave it all. Because you pay for when you're... You can't just leave everything there. Because they're gone from... If it aired in May, they probably filmed this in, let's say... April. April. You can't leave all that from April to August. There's other people using it. Yeah, you can't leave it. So they have to reset everything.

Yeah.

Anyway, but yeah, I mean, when do we meet Logan this season? Season five?

Yeah, pretty early on, I think. It's when they go back to school.

God, the worst season that I'm not ready for is when Lorelai and Rory don't talk.

Yeah.

Truly the worst season. The last season's pretty. But the season that, you know what it is, that season when they don't talk, it just went on for too long and it just started pissing me off. That's what it was. If they didn't talk for two, three episodes, I would have been fine, but it went on for way too long.

Right. Yeah, like coming up at the beginning of season five, they have that period where they're not talking because Rory's in Europe and, you know, they're pissed at each other or whatever. But that's just a short period of time.

Oh, like another couple episodes, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Anyway. We, next week, are going to be talking about season five premiere, which is season five, episode one. Say goodbye to Daisy Miller. We'll see you then. Meeting adjourned. Hey everybody, don't forget, follow us on Instagram at I am all in podcast and email us at Gilmore at I heart radio.com.

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