Brain Tumor Vanished After Visiting Heaven with Susie Pearl

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1:18 by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. I'd like to welcome to the show Susie Pearl. Hey there, Susie.

1:34 Hi.

1:35 Great, Alex.

1:35 Thank you.

1:37 Thank you so much for being here. I am super excited to talk to you because you have a near-death experience, but your near-death experience is a bit not only interesting, but your background even makes it more interesting. So you've managed some of the biggest names in music over the last few years, obviously. Um, cause you identify as a 24. Yeah.

1:58 You asked me, how old am I? And I said, I identify as 35.

2:07 And I too identify as 35. I'd like to identify as 28, but with the brain of a 52 year old, that's what I would like. That's what I really would love.

2:16 Yeah.

2:17 So, um, but you've worked with some of, um, some amazing, some legendary people in the music industry over the years. Before this near-death experience, what did you believe about death? And what was your spiritual background?

2:32 Well, I grew up with a mom who took me to church. I was in the choir. Didn't really get it. Didn't know why I was there. I was there because my mom wanted me to be there. However, I did believe in fairies. I did believe in other realms. And I did have this very big scope of life. My dad, I was the little one in the family and my dad would call me chief and I felt kind of important.

2:56 Even I thought, yeah, I can do what I want. And he does said to me, you, my darling can do whatever you want. And I took that and I believed it like heavily believed it for the whole of my life, actually, because now I believe it more than ever before. And so I've always kind of had a big scope, big perspective on things. And always aiming high, that was kind of my go-to position. So spiritually, I believed in a bigger force, didn't really know what it was, comfortable with the concept of God. And prayer, didn't really get it. Meditation has been my thing since I was identifying as 20. And that's really helped me kind of understand connecting to this big force. And if you talk to me about the big force that runs everything, I

3:51 really get that. And I kind of talk in those terms so as not to ring fence anyone out who might have different words for this big force. So spiritually, I was leaning to understand that there is a bigger realm than we know. And I believed in kind of supernatural stuff. Always really interested. I went to see a gypsy in a fair once when I was about nine.

4:23 And she said, oh, I'll tell you a fortune. My mum loved all that stuff. So we paid our money, got to hear my fortune. And she said, I can see you, my dear. And she had the whole thing.

4:35 She had a scarf.

4:36 She was big earrings and stuff. She looked cool. Ooh, yeah. So she said, I see you speaking. And you're speaking in a big auditorium with a lot of people. and you're coming down these stairs, and you're having these amazing stories. She told me that when I was nine. And I wrote my book recently, or one of my memoir. And it was only recently I realized that old lady at the fair, I don't know what she was identifying with, but she was quite old. She told me a lot of things that actually happened in my life. And she said, you're a connector with genius people and people a lot of music in your life. Yeah. So I've always been really open to it. That shifted considerably when I had my near-death experience.

5:29 Yeah, so you mentioned you believed in fairies and the other realms, which I understand that to be now elementals. I know in Ireland, is it gnomes?

5:40 No, they're called... Gosh, let me think.

5:43 You know what I'm talking about.

5:44 Oh yeah, the little ones.

5:46 Yeah, the little guy. Yeah. Yeah, but it's either gnomes or something along those lines. So it seems like in the UK in general that the pagan ideas of like fairies and gnomes and those kind of supernatural elementals is very common. And it's basically, it's in the blood. It's in the blood of- It's in our history.

6:08 I hang out with druids and they're all about trees, nature, the spirits of trees. And you can have a great conversation with any druid you like about the spirits that are dwelling within nature. And that kind of works for me. I like that.

6:23 I think, yeah, that's how it's going. That's very cool. Now, with all the work that you've done with, you know, famous people, and again, I come from that world, not at the level that you have, but I've seen fame and I see what fame does. Have you seen a cost that of success that people don't fame and success that people outside of the industry doesn't understand because it always always people like oh i want to be rich and famous like do you though do do you really want to be rich and famous like you know so i've been.

6:57 With these superstars and let's say madonna all these kind of people and traveled with them i know as part of the the caravan the crazy circus that goes around I'd open my windows. I remember once we were in Park Lane in London, I'd organized a press conference. And I looked outside, the big windows going onto Park Lane, the big road going down the center of London. And as far as I could see, there was just faces standing there looking up, looking for where we were. And every meal we had had to be pre-planned, where we were going, instructing No photographs, no autographs, no coming at us and leave us alone sort of thing. There was just so much involved. Being famous and very wealthy and being able to have whatever you want in this lifetime,

7:54 it's not what it's cracked up to be. I know that's easy to say, but the cost of fame. My son, who's now 26, said, I never want to be famous, mum. And I don't want you to be, you know, I wouldn't like it for you to be married to one of these really famous people you were working with. And there was one person I, you know, it was kind of, could be on the cards I was going to happen.

8:18 And he said, I don't want that in my life. And he already knew, a very young boy, having seen our lifestyles, that it's not the thing. You don't know who your friends are. I'll give you an example. I was the founder of a very successful celebrity PR agency. And In month one, we started with MTV, the Spice Girls, Madonna, and some other big old thing, right? So my phone was ringing nonstop, seven days a week, all around the clock, people trying to get hold of me to set up arrangements or be my friend or whatever. When I sold my agency... Literally, from one day to the next, my phone stopped ringing. And my inner circle had become really small, really fast. These friends that I had gazillions of all disappeared.

9:17 My relationship bust, and I was going through a meltdown. And really, very few people were there for me. I was kind of shocked, really shocked, that I, who had the biggest address book in the world, had friends everywhere, suddenly didn't have friends. I could no longer get people into the alias parties on the red carpet, all this sort of stuff. And they all buzzed off. It was like a puff of smoke on a stage. Everyone had liked it. The pain, Alex, of that, realising that my friends were really not friends at all, was shocking to me and upset me deeply for a long time.

9:59 Oh, What did you believe? Were you afraid of dying before this near-death experience?

10:05 Before? Well, I had a lot of death around me. I was there with my mom when she passed. That was very beautiful. I held her hand. And she said to me, darling, they're calling me over the bridge. And we'd been told, she was old. She was identifying as 78 or something. She was old, right? So she was in the hospital and we knew, we were taking in turns, the kids to look after and be there. And I was there really in the last moments and I held her hand and she was looking sort of far off in the distance and said, oh, they're calling me over now.

10:40 And I said, well, mum, you can go whenever you like, just know that you've been the best mum ever. And We love you so much. And you taught us so much. And you've been so kind. And thank you for what you've done for us. And so she talked about it as going over the bridge. And then we had a phone call from one of her grandchildren who was living in Italy. She'd been a student there. And she said, I'm coming home. I'm coming back. I'm going to come and see Nanny. So I said, oh, OK. So I said to Mum, Joanna's coming back to see you. Well, she came back from the bridge, pulled herself back, and she stayed for the next three or four days until she saw her granddaughter, gave her a hug, and then off she went. So that got me thinking about death.

11:28 I thought, wow, maybe we do decide. Maybe we can pull back if we want to stay a bit longer. And that was probably the first time I thought about death. I wasn't actually scared of it. I was all right with it because the people who were dying there Like my mom had had a brilliant life and she'd reached an old age. My father was involved in a car incident and I got a phone call, he's passed in this terrible situation. So that was a shocking thing. And I had to think about what death meant. He'd gone very suddenly. I didn't say goodbye. I remember our last conversation and he said to me, chief, whatever you do in your life is all right with me. I mean, cheers, Dad.

12:14 See you soon. Bam. That was the end of the phone call. But what a cool end conversation. He didn't know who was going to go. I didn't. But that was something was there to kind of allow us to have a very beautiful closure. So I don't know. But when I got ill, I got seriously ill. I was told I wasn't going to last very long. I wasn't frightened.

12:38 But that was for a different reason. Right.

12:41 Not because of the near death experience. So before we get to the near death experience, before the NDE, what did you think a good life was?

12:51 Well, that's, that's, yeah. So I was having a pretty good life and all these pop stars with budgets to do whatever we wanted. And that was on one level, a really good life. I'm the girl who I'd never taken drugs and I don't drink alcohol, never did. So I wasn't living a kind of crazy hedonistic partying life, but I was going to lots of parties, gigs, backstage.

13:25 I was living that kind of entertainment industry life. And that felt like a good life until I looked around and realised I couldn't maintain the relationship. I'd... I'd had a big meltdown with the person I thought I was going to be with for the rest of my life. He legged it and went off with someone. And so suddenly this super life that looked full of colour and spotlights and glitter. I think I call it in my book, Glitter and Heals, period. It was great at the time, but then very soon I realised I wasn't living my life.

14:06 I was at the beck and call of everyone else and having to just do loads of work and deliver deadlines and be good at my job and shine and be the best. And that's a lot to take on. And also the main thing I noticed is when I went home at weekends or went to see my family or went to see my friends and they went, Hey, what have you been doing? I couldn't tell them. I'd just come back from Madonna's house for the weekend. I, I'd just come back from LA and we were at this house party with all the big old movie stars.

14:40 I couldn't tell them that. What have you been doing? Oh, we went to the pub. Didn't we, Larry? Yeah, it was great. You know, I was out of synchronization with everyone else I knew. So that was horrible. But I didn't really realize. It's like anything that's tragic that's happening in your life or out of balance. Often we don't realize until we've really messed up. And I think that was true with me.

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15:24 So I'd had this crazy showbiz life and I was exhausted. So I sold my company and then I went to Ibiza to lie down in the sunshine and get out corporate world. And I was with my son and we were living in this beautiful forest. We had lovely neighbours. And we were living this pretty idyllic life. And my neighbour, she was Eastern European and had been through a lot.

15:51 She was a tough cookie. You don't mess with her. We used to meet in our local village. And one day we went to meet and I couldn't remember the way. And I was like an hour late. She says, you're never so late. What's going on? So I couldn't remember how to get here. And she said, right, you have been acting very strange. I'm going to take you for a checkup. Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't do doctors and I don't do medications and stuff. So she said, no.

16:18 All right, bioresonance. That's something you basically put magnets on and see what's happening in your body. So we went for a bioresonance check with her friend. And my brain was really coming up strong on her indicators and markers. So the woman said, I think you need to go to hospital and get checked. I said, I'm absolutely not doing that. So my darling neighbor bundled me in the car and it was like a movie. She kind of stuck me in the car. I was going, no, no, no, no.

16:46 She said, are you going? She pushed me in. And that saved my life because we went to hospital. I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. I ended up in hospital and the doctor said, this isn't good. It's right in the middle of your brain. Three weeks to live. Get your family here. Get A lawyer driver will. So I was like, okay. And I wasn't scared. It was weird.

17:09 I sat on my bed and started to meditate. I've been a meditator since my meltdown happened. So it was sort of 20 years on. I've been doing it twice a day regularly. So I'm very committed and familiar. Sat on my bed, closed my eyes to connect with my breath and do my meditation. I'm a TM meditator, so I have got a mantra. Started with my mantra. And then I had this intuition flash. I had this kind of information came straight into me saying, you're going to die today. It was very gentle. And then this golden orb came in and around me. And I referenced it and call it and code it like golden angels arrived.

17:56 And they were all around me. And I was communing with I wasn't scared. It felt good, actually. I've got someone on my side, you know, looking out for me. And so they said, you're going to have three scams. One's really bad. You've had that one. The second one, improved. Third one, you're out of here. And I prayed and I said, why am I going through this? You know, I'm a good, really good person. And they said, because you're a writer and you've got platforms. And you can write this story and you can inspire millions of people around the world about living and dying. So I got it. Oh, I'm on a mission. That's cool. Okay, I'm on a mission.

18:45 That makes it all okay. I'm dying, perhaps, but I'm going to come back and I'm going to write a book. And there's going to be a movie, which is on the cards as well. So I popped out and saw the nurse that I really liked. And I said, hey. And she was in the middle of a meeting. She said, what is it? And I said, I need to speak to you urgently. She said, okay, I'll be over in a minute. I said, no, no, it's really urgent. So she came over and she puts up and I said, I'm going to die. So this is in a cancer ward of people dying all over the place. You know, every evening someone was being wheeled out and sad. So she said, we'll keep an eye on you. Don't worry.

19:29 So I went back, sat on my bed, and it was then that it started. It started like this. I was in meditation, so my eyes were shut, and I was really in my body. And I felt my soul, in a spiral, I'm doing a spiral here, go through my body, and then I felt like I had a hoover. here, sucking up my soul out the top of my head, the crown of my head. And then I was looking down on my body and I knew I wasn't in my body. And that was a weird feeling, separate somehow.

20:08 And then I noticed that I was expanding into this cosmic, it was like a Hollywood movie, cosmic stars everywhere. And I can relate this now because since my NDE, I've now started working with some astronauts. And they've been telling me about the overview effect of when you go out from orbit, from the planet, and you look back, you see life and the planet and Earth in a different perspective.

20:38 My experience parallels that. I could describe it in the same way as they describe the overview experience. So there I was kind of floating around in sparkly space, but with my consciousness still linked to me somehow. And that's another conversation of what happens with your consciousness when this near-death happens. So I was expanded and I then got the information that I'm going to be showing a tour of heaven. The mood was unconditional love and bliss. It's the most beautiful space. It's beyond words. I can't even describe it, Alex, other than saying it's beyond descriptor words.

21:29 It was a feeling I had never had and it felt like heaven. Like I had, as I would imagine heaven to be. No problems, joy, feeling fully loved unconditionally. It was incredible. And I also knew because of the golden angel story that this trip was part of a recovery and a massive healing for me. I knew that that was going to be my outcome. So even at that point, I had no fear. I wasn't thinking, oh my God, and I'm a mom. You had a young son.

22:07 So then the next information came in, do you want to stay here? I knew it was a one-time passcode about coming back. I could come back now or I would stay there. That was it. And I knew when I came back that I would be healed. I just knew that. So I said in my head, I want to come back. I've got some. I've got more to do.

22:34 I've got things I've got to do. I've got a mission to complete. And as soon as I set the intention, white flash back in my body. And I'm in my hospital room, my hospital bed, all these bleepy monitors going on and nurses running around. And I knew I couldn't tell the doctors really at that point. I felt very different.

23:03 And I came back with zero fear about anything. But I still had my smart head on. I'd spent years as a celebrity publicist keeping quiet about stories I knew about to keep them out of the papers. And I knew with my publicist heart that I could not really, this wasn't the time to start talking about, oh, yeah, I've been to heaven and back. I just knew that.

23:38 I'll tell you what I was worried about. I thought if I start talking about the fact I've just been to heaven, I've just come back and I'm fully healed, they're going to think, okay. Because when I started describing stories to my family and friends and stuff, and eyes would roll. I remember saying before this, oh, I'm going to get out of this. I know I'm going to get through it. And they would kind of smile sweetly and eyes would roll out. And they were thinking, gosh, she's good, she's mental. She's actually lost it. And I didn't want to be medicated and locked up in the psychiatric unit because I'd gone crazy. Because I was acting crazy.

24:20 I haven't told you the bit about while I was ill and before all of this was sort of identified, I cashed in all my savings, my pensions, even though I was identifying as 35, I knew... I didn't need the money. I was all right. I didn't need the money. I spent my spending spree and I bought all the things I was going to wear when I got out of this mess. I was buying gorgeous beach wraps. And one day I ordered like 25 pairs of trainers, which turned up at my brother's house. And he came in and said, we need to talk. I know you're ill and everything, but you need to stop ordering all this on the Internet. what no one else knew. It looked like crazy behavior. And I was talking very fast. I was very excitable about everything. And I thought everything was possible.

25:05 I'd written movie scripts and put them up on my hospital wall. And I was acting like a mad person, but to me, it all made sense. And yeah, I was talking very fast and I was hyper, but I knew that my story would end well. But then I also realized if I gave other people a sense, that's what I'm saying. They thought I was really, really crazy.

25:29 So I had to kind of pretend that I was normal and not tell this story. I didn't tell it for a long time.

25:36 So when you were on the other side, there wasn't a life review or anything else. Are there any other details that happened to you during that process?

25:44 I saw the macro of my life. And I saw what I believe was people I knew, but it was all a bit shapeshifty and swirly. And I can't really remember too many details about it other than it was like a sci-fi movie. And I don't really remember. There was a bit of a flicker book style thing of stuff from my life, but I wasn't in a position to sew it together or join the dots at that point.

26:18 So really it was more like floating in the universe outside the spaceship.

26:25 Did anybody show up? Relatives, friends, deities, animals? Anyone? Did you see anything like that?

26:33 Well, the deities, my golden angel crew were there and kept coming back. And I knew they were my trustees. You know, they were my guard dogs, if you like. I loved them. I saw them. I knew they were there. I say see. When we're talking at this level, this very high level, It's actually a kind of sublimation. It's the senses all merged together. So it's not seeing with my eyes or feeling or tasting. It's a kind of more of a knowingness using all the senses as a whole.

27:12 It feels like the senses go into a unified field of senses. So I can't say to you, I saw this or I heard this, but I was getting information.

27:24 From what I understand that happens when you're on the other side, you're going to get, I call it for lack of a better word, the cloud. So you're kind of tapped into all information that has ever existed and you automatically just know everything when you're up there. You have a download. Is that accurate?

27:41 Yes. Okay. So there's a couple of things to say about this. It was made clear to me that this was a journey of exploration. giving me important downloads that I can then pass on to other people back on the ground. And I kind of knew that was what was happening. And the iCloud, for me, doesn't give it a tangible feeling what it felt like. I love the world field, the collective field. I feel like I was floating in this collective field where all information, all stuff, all everything, future, past, now, was present. And that's what it felt like. It was being in a... When I was writing my first book, I was doing this shamanic course of going up to Akashic Records, putting down my book that I was here to write and downloading it

28:41 and then writing it. And I did that as a practice. And that's how I wrote my first book. It was completely downloaded. And I really was just writing it down. As Paul McCartney told me, he got his lyrics like that in India when he was learning meditation. That's another story that we can talk about. So for me, it was getting the downloads while I was there of what is this all about on a big scale. And that was very, very clear to me that I was receiving important information that I would have to No, I was on purpose to give out to the world at a later date, which is exactly what I'm doing now, seven years later.

29:26 Now, you described something called the field of light. Is that kind of what this area, what we were talking about?

29:33 Yeah, I didn't say light, but is that fair? I said collective field. And by that, I mean... the field of all that is. And a lot of mystics talk in that term of the collective field. I was lucky enough to work with David Lynch during my life. I love that man. And I'm not going to talk about him as past. I'm going to talk about him as present.

30:00 because he's still here for me.

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30:14 He talked a lot about this area that we're talking about, the collective field. And his thing was very much tea and meditation and putting ideas down, going fishing. He liked the idea of going fishing for ideas and you get them and then you have to look after them or write them down and so you don't lose them and stuff like this so i think this concept of a big a big old sea of ideas is a familiar one for many people so kind of makes sense to call it a field i think to me.

30:50 That's that's beautiful so when you got back down um it seems like you had your near-death experience through a meditation so you were meditating And then you died during that process. Like you kind of like you were meditating and then you, that's when everything was beeping.

31:07 That's when my soul left my body. Yeah.

31:09 Right. And that's when, but physically your body, something happened because when you woke up, when you came back, people were losing their mind and things were beeping. So something had happened, correct?

31:18 Yeah. And also when I had the next scan, the doctor came into the room, very neutral face. And I was trying to read, and you'd come in to give me the results. I was like, Really, because I'd become an expert at looking at even little slight spatial things from all the work I'd done with Paul McKenna and Bandler and stuff. So I'd become a ninja at being able to read people. And he came in the door and I couldn't read him. Oh, my God, I don't know.

31:46 But I did know and did believe what the golden angels had already told me was that I was going to get a much better scan. And this would be the precursor to the all-clear scan. So the doctor came in and he said, Susie, I've got your results. And I went, yeah. He said, very puzzling, very surprising. I don't really understand it. I've been in this business 45 years in oncology. I've never seen this before. It looks like a miracle to me, but we do not work in miracles. And he said, that's not my business. My business is not miracles. And I laughed at his face and said, mine is. And so he kind of like, oh, he said, well, And this is before I even knew what the answer was. And he said, the tumour has

32:34 gone and there's no scar tissue, which we would have expected to see. So I just don't, I've never seen anything like this. And it looks like a miracle. But those are my words, sort of thing. And you know what, Alex, I've never told him about this story. I'm actually going to send him the book. He's still working in Cambridge University Hospital. So I will send it to him. But he knows nothing. I didn't have a kind of bridge to be able to bring this to them. I think I reached out to the doctor one day to see if I could kind of share the story, but I was closed down by the lots of gateways. Layers?

33:13 Yeah. Wow. Yeah, of course, because he's not in the miracle business, God forbid, right? God forbid that you miraculously heal when you gave it.

33:23 Yeah, there's some sort of bigger force, yeah.

33:27 God forbid, my Lord. Doesn't come out of a bag or a pill. No.

33:33 From one of those huge pharmaceutical companies that have so much money to share.

33:39 Yes, of course. Of course.

33:42 So yeah, I became, you know, I would always be, it's funny because I remember being given some pills when I was a little girl for something I had, influenza or something. And I remember getting home with my mom and her saying, right, you have to take these two white tablets now. And I could not. I was choking.

33:56 And then the doctor said, put them in jam and then get her to eat that. I said, I'm not eating that. And I don't want to take those tablets. And I was eight. And I haven't changed. And I still don't want to take those tablets.

34:11 Fair enough. Fair enough. So you came back. There was no choice, in a sense, on the other side. You just made a decision? Oh, no.

34:19 I did choose. They said, do you want to come back or not? And I said, yeah. I've got my son. I'm a mom, a young boy. I'm not ready to go. He needs me still. I've got work to do. Bam, white flesh back in my body, fully healed.

34:34 So then when you got back into your body, what did that feel like? Because my understanding is also on the other side, there's obviously no body, no pain, no anything on that side. But when they get slammed in, depending on the body that you're slamming back into. And I use the word slamming purposely because I hear it's like a kind of, from different people, obviously. How was it for you? And what did you feel when you were back in the body?

34:59 Because it was in my brain, I lost a lot of memory material and fabric. So that actual memory of coming back into my body isn't clear to me. I remember more being told by the doctor, it's clear. I said, can I go back to Ibiza? When can I go back to Ibiza? He said, you can go when you like. And that was, then my whole body was just full of excitement, emotion, gratitude, thanks. Like, oh my God, I'm going to be out of this. Because I kept escaping from the hospital. I escaped three times because I didn't want to be incarcerated. Yeah, in this room. So I'd wait for the, I waited for the nurses to have their meeting. I'd go to the little room that had my books with my outdoor clothes. I would go to

35:51 the ladies' room lose and get changed out of my gown into my outside clothes, nip down. This is in Cambridge. Wait for the security guards to be talking or be on a break. And then I would press lift, go down and go to the taxi rank, go into town, go to Wagamama's was my favorite. I went to Wagamama's, had loads of great food. And then I got my nails done and I got a hat. I look cool.

36:18 And then one time I did it in the Ibiza hospital. I was walking down the main street in Ibiza and I'd switched my phone off so no one could get me. And I looked up and there was my neighbor on the other side of the road with Chaz Smash from the band called Madness, who's a really good friend of mine.

36:37 And on stage, he goes, hey, you, don't listen to that. Listen to this. This is the heavy, heavy sound. And he would do that. And then he shafted across the road. Hey, you, Suzy Pearl, what are you doing? You're meant to be elsewhere. You're meant to be in the hospital. What are you doing? And I said, I'm getting my nails done. So, you know, that was one of three trips and I escaped and it got more difficult because they kept close to Miami after that. I loved it because I didn't want to be, I couldn't be held, you know, in a prison cell like that.

37:07 So when you got back, obviously you said you kept the information quiet and that happens to a lot of NDEers and specifically with your world because you were still in the world of publicity and, you know. Kind of.

37:20 I mean, I'd sold my company very, very, you know, not, not that long before. And, um, I kind of retired, well, not retired, but I, you know, I, I'd sold it and got out of the business and then moved to Ibiza early to get out of, I'd been there before. I just, I just went to Ibiza and bought a house there one day. I went for two weeks and ended up staying 15 years. I loved it. Um, but yeah, it, it was, I, It was fresh in my mind that I've come out of all of this. And I've always been a maverick, obviously. And I wanted to be free to do what I wanted. And this event of the NDE and being in a hospital and being told to stay in this one room, which had a terrace, And I wasn't allowed to go out because my immune system

38:22 had been smashed. It felt like being a prisoner and I was kicking and screaming in there. One of the things I learned was the power of community. In Ibiza, I had such incredible friends and they all came to the hospital and it was incredible. my brilliant neighbor, Lily, had organized a rota where people would come. So I'd always have people there. They'd come with guitars, with rugs.

38:53 They'd sit outside, the sun would be shining, and they would be singing and dancing. And the nurses would come in and go, Susie, are you having a party again in your room? I said, yeah, that's going to really help me heal. And they'd never seen, this was an abyss hospital, but they'd never seen the sort of thing where There was this 50 people in a WhatsApp group sorting my life out and making it really fun in hospital, bringing me food. The beautiful organic cafes to go to, every day they'd bring me my lunch from the other side of the island. And this made me feel loved. Alex.

39:30 And it made me feel like I have people on my side now. I've actually got proper friends. I've actually got a proper community. And I tell you, that was a big deal in me healing. Definitely.

39:43 So what did people who knew about the diagnosis prior to the NDE and And when you came back out, obviously clean and clear, the tumor was gone and you were healing, you know, coming back from that. What did people say about that? How did they, how did they react to this? Before you even started talking about the NDE, obviously.

40:04 And this was Ibiza. This is an ayahuasca crew who go up and, you know, I'd done ayahuasca myself and been out with shamans and stuff. And so I've had this sort of psychedelic experience. So going up to these other realms was another psychedelic experience. So, Actually, my NDE was quite well prepared for because I'd been journeying into other realms anyway without being ill. So it was quite familiar to me. What was the question again? I've forgotten.

40:33 So what did they think about the healing, the spontaneous miraculous healing?

40:38 I don't think they saw it as a miraculous healing. I mean, I was in hospital and people expect you to either die in hospital or get better. So the getting better bit was... didn't have to be explained really. It's like, oh, she's just, she went on some sort of medical trip. So whatever it was they were doing worked.

40:58 Got it. So at what point did you decide, well, before I ask you that, what stopped mattering instantly when you got back? Because there's a lot of things we worry about before one of these kinds of events happen in your life. And when you come back, it's very clear like, oh, well, this is what's really important. That other stuff was BS. Was there anything that you were worried about or thought about a lot before? And when you came back, you're like, that doesn't matter anymore. I've seen the universe.

41:24 Yeah. Well, one thing it did was it was relevant and personal that I was given three weeks to live at some point. So my brain had to compute a concept of I've got three weeks left on this planet, whether or not I believe that, which I didn't. The actual facts, as it were, and we'll talk about facts later because the facts are Someone said to me, I think it was my brother said, you have to face the facts. When I said, I'm getting out of here.

41:53 I'm not going to stay in hospital. I'm going to get better. He said, but you have to face the facts. And I said, no, no, I don't deal with facts. I'm creating my own reality. And they're all going, oh, she's lost her mind. But anyway, um, the main thing really was, uh, um, What were we saying? Where do we start with this question?

42:17 What matters?

42:18 Oh, yeah. Every day counts. Every day counts. If I've got three weeks to live, I'm not going to go, oh, I'll spend a few days just wasting it. That's, you know, I'll just hang out, not think about it.

42:32 No.

42:32 Suddenly, if you've got a number of days left, you are going to put everything you want in those days. You're going to eat what you want, see who you want. Talk, have great conversations and really enjoy everything you possibly can. Because you ain't got time, girl, to go, oh, I'm going to waste a weekend or not bother about thinking about it too much. Everything is important. What I was thinking about, what I was feeling about, what I was eating, who I was hanging out with. And I had great friends around my bed during this time. And people were just gorgeous. You know, they would come and they were having a great time. They were healing, Alex. They were healing because they were offering so much support to me.

43:19 The whole community got a buzz. I know that. And people now, I have a very, very freshman. He was married to Annie Lennox, the singer, for many years and they had kids together. Beautiful man. Very understated. You'd never know anything about him unless you get to know him really well and then slowly it comes out. Gorgeous. He was there and he led over and he was one of my rocks. There was two big North Pole and South Pole rocks. One was a major rock star. The other one was a big film director with a big life with Annie. He'd seen it, everything. And Uri was in my hospital room with a lot of other people one day. And I looked over at him and I saw his... Actually... He was in my house because we

44:11 had a blessing before I went to hospital. And about 40 or 50 people came to my house in Ibiza to sing songs and talk about me and my life in front of me. It was like attending my own funeral.

44:28 Like a wake, yeah.

44:29 Yeah. I was at my own wake. Guitars.

44:34 That's beautiful though.

44:35 Songs. These are a lot of... plant medicine people. You know, there was a lot of songs, people, someone at the top of the room holding the space. And my friend Hieronymo, who does a lot of work in the Amazon and is strong on the plant journeying side and has done documentaries about indigenous tribes and what's important in that kind of indigenous culture of ancient wisdom. He went around the room of all my friends who were sitting there that day, and they all thought this is the last goodbye, actually, because that's what we'd all been told. But I knew it wasn't, but they didn't.

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45:26 So he went around each person and asked them, what difference or what impact has Suzy had on your life? And each one there told a story. about how I impacted them. Alex, it was like the biggest movie scene I've ever experienced. Everyone was in tears, sobbing, including me. You go, oh my God, this is so lovely. I never knew that was so important to you. We said things we should have said. And we said the things that would not have got said unless they thought I was about to die. So I heard how much love people had for me. I had no idea. And that healed me also and made me cry a lot.

46:05 Too You mentioned earlier about consciousness. What happens to consciousness on the other side?

46:10 Great question. I've always been very interested in consciousness. My work with David Lynch, we talked about consciousness, meditation, and creativity. These were the big three things. And for me, they still are. 15 years later, this is my interest, is what is consciousness? Because death, is not the end. Okay, our bodies may stop, but our soul is eternal. I know that we're all one. And I know that we're guided by this big, beautiful force that gives us challenges, great storylines, bumping into people who we end up loving.

46:53 And we have this extraordinary palette of human experience. We couldn't write that script. You couldn't write that script. I couldn't write that script. It's brilliant. And it's incredibly ridiculously connected. I've had manifestations that people cannot believe. I wrote down on a vision board for my first book that I wanted Paul McCartney to be the first guy to read my manuscript. I had no connection with Paul at that time.

47:23 And then it turned out that we ended up living in the same kind of village in East Sussex in England.

47:29 And he.

47:31 Was going to the same school. Our kids were at the same school every day, so I got to see him and meet him. He ended up being that first person to read my manuscript. Now, I imagined that, and then it came into manifestation. So what I'm illustrating with this story is we are more extraordinary than we could possibly believe. And going back to consciousness, it's a mind thing, it's a body thing, it's a brain thing, but it's much bigger than all of these things.

48:00 And I.

48:01 I'm on a quest now to really look at what happens to consciousness when we die. This is going to be my next big quest to find out. And, you know, I've got mates who are scientists at Cambridge Uni and stuff looking at consciousness. And I'm asking these questions. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know.

48:20 Well, you also mentioned about Paul in India. We have a film on Next Level Soul TV called The Beatles in India.

48:28 Yeah.

48:28 Which was a deep dive into what happened there with the Maharishi and how, I think they wrote, I think they wrote, was it Sergeant Pepper? They wrote there, most of Sergeant Pepper.

48:41 I've got a story about this. Under a tree in Sussex, after we dropped the kids off at school one day, I was under this tree and Paul and I would chat every day because we just got on. He wasn't Paul McCartney, superstar, biggest musician in the world person when I was talking to him. He was my mate. And that's how I always managed my relationships with these big artists.

49:03 So we were just chatting as mates and he said, I was talking about meditation, how important it was. He said, I'm going to introduce you to my friend, David Lynch. I said, oh, that'd be great. He said, yeah, you know, he's really into uh creativity and meditation as you are I said great we ended up writing a book together in one of these conversations at school in the morning 9 30 in the morning with Paul he told me he said when we were in India uh learning TM with Marishi uh I would wake up in the mornings with songs fully formed and i would just reach for a piece of paper and write it down the lyrics were all there the melody was all there all we had to do literally was play it and make it and light bulb then when you told me this light

49:54 bulb went off in my head i'd only written one book at this time and uh i thought i'm gonna write a book about this at some point when i'm ready And that time is now. Actually, that's my next book. And this week I've sent off my book, Rebirth, to go to the next stage for publishing. And my next book is about the Beatles. And I'm interested about how this group of guys, and they talked about having a collective mind as well. And out of this collective mind come the lyrics. And in India, they wrote 40 of their lyrics. most enduring songs. Now, that is interesting. If the Beatles get together and take loads of drugs and they've been doing LSD and the whole thing, loads of psychedelics, they get together, they write 40, 40 songs, not one, two, three,

50:50 40 songs they write, which are everlasting. All these years later, decades later, people are still listening. In fact, the Beatles are having this major resurgence. And look at Paul McCartney, 85, putting out another album or another track from this album. It's extraordinary. And he's a TM meditator. He meditates every day.

51:15 I saw James McCartney in the last couple of weeks and we were talking about meditation. He said, yeah, Dad meditates every day, as does Ringo. Ringo looks amazing. I mean, he's sort of 86 now. He's identifying as 21.

51:35 There's no question. I've been fascinated with the Beatles for such a long time. What they've been able to do, the majority, I think it was Paul that said this, the majority of the songs we write were about love. In one way, shape, or form, it was about love and the energy. There's a reason why my kids who are teenagers, they love the Beatles. You know, we went to Vegas and did the Beatles show of love there and they saw it there and it's, it's, you know, but as I, when it starts, when I started to do deep, deeper research into India and the Vedic philosophies and the yogic philosophies, obviously I have Yogananda right over my shoulder. Uh, and I, I, I really dug deep.

52:20 The Beatles kept coming up. And when I would go into, um, this time that they spent with the Maharishi. And it wasn't that long.

52:29 It wasn't very long.

52:30 Like two, three weeks, if I'm not mistaken.

52:31 Something like that. And then, you know, one of the band left and didn't stay very long, et cetera, et cetera. You know, it was a, yeah, it wasn't like they were a year training and da, da, da. No, it was a really short period of time. And these crazy, this crazy outcome, which is a remarkable thing. I'm very excited to write this. And I know I'm going to find a lot of stuff. And you know, the other thing, Alex, is what's happened since I started talking about doing a Beatles book. Not hugely. I think I've done one post about it. And this MTV screening I went to the other day, all my old mates I used to work with were there. The guy sitting in front of me just turned around and went, hey, Suze, what are you

53:17 up to? I said, I'm writing books. You know, I'm just about to do one on the Beatles. He went, oh. My uncle was brother of Brian Ipsen and has got all of these photographs. Do you want to have a look? I'm like, yeah, I would. Someone else offered me a load of archives until no one's ever seen from the Beatles in India. And just randomly people will come to me.

53:42 And I was told in one of my meditations that I'd been living in Ibiza for 15 years and it was time now because of the work I'm doing to go to London And it is in London where I have now been fortunate enough to meet these people who've all got incredible nuggets of gold sitting in their attic about Beatles in India. So I know that I'm the one.

54:05 Because I know I've been connected with David Lynch with TM Meditation. He's the guy getting it out in the world. And knowing Paul, knowing the band, all of this stuff, and being a writer, I can't think there's too many more people in the world who are better poised to do it because there are lots and lots of very interesting threads from that time. I also have a theory, just to butt in. I have a theory that the Beatles, you mentioned it, that even your kids love it and it passes through generations. It's such a strong musical, cultural...

54:51 powerful force of good this band in the world through these ages and has created such a a huge stream and and wave of love enduring love i think the universe has cooked up here something in musical format to spread the love and keep spreading the love through these Periods of time we're going through. And man, do we need love? I'm wearing my special t-shirt, by the way.

55:22 Yeah, choose love.

55:24 Yeah. We have got it. What would happen if we all started loving each other unconditionally? I forgive you. I love you. So this morning I was in the supermarket buying some food. And there was a guy in one of these wheelies. He was a disabled guy and he had one of these sort of motorized little things and he was going past the butter counter. And I saw him and I said, hi, how are you doing? He went, hi, I'm good. Do I know you? I said, no, I'm just saying hello to a lot of people today because I'm just sort of sharing the love. And he went, oh, you've made my day. And then we started this conversation.

55:59 He said, you've made me feel loved today. You've really had an impact on me. And I thought it's simple. We just talk to each other and we just beam out love to each other. And I think something with Beatles, for example, when you play that, you just get the vibe. You feel it. All these screaming, people in the audience they were just loving what they were feeling and it was music that took them there so i know that music is universal powers that we can use to create a better world that was i.

56:31 Because you've worked with some so many so so many um amazing uh artists over the years and you could say the same i mean the beatles have the just They have so many songs, but there's a lot of the artists that are legendary stars. It's in Madonna, George Michael, these people who created songs that will last the test of time. There's no question about it. I'm curious your thoughts on this. And, and I don't want to, it's not a controversial, hopefully it's not a controversial question, but, and this happens with all artists, film books. You can, I can list all the great writers who were, drug addicts or that didn't do right or anything like that.

57:13 The universe is sometimes chooses imperfect messengers to bring out these perfect pieces. And sometimes they're one hit wonder. Sometimes you get one book, they get one movie, they get one song, but that song will live on forever. That book will live on forever. That movie will live on forever through an imperfect vessel. Now the Beatles, The Beatles are the Beatles. And were they perfect? No. Did they piss off a lot of people along the way? Yes.

57:42 But if you don't piss somebody off along the way, you're not doing your job. That's the way I look at it.

57:47 Well, you're not human. You're not human.

57:48 So what's your thought on that?

57:50 Connecting to this is that life is like, how are you today? Well, it depends what time you ask me. I could be having a really shitty day and something brilliant happens. And then I go back down again. It's not a straight line. Life isn't a straight line. And we learn what we need to learn through difficult things.

58:08 You know, I say to people, I had brain cancer. They go, oh, I'm so sorry. No, it was actually one of the greatest events in my life. Because I had to tread on those red hot coals. I had to have trust, faith, forgiveness. I had to find my community. I had to remember I was loved. All of these things. And we're not taught with red ribbons and roses and beautiful petals, the important lessons. We, lessons, we're taught by tragedy, difficulty, challenges, things we have to really dig deep for courage to find in order to learn what we're here to learn.

58:48 So it's not dressed up in perfection. It never is. And my trick for going through life is to, when shitty things happen, I had it happen yesterday, something about editing my book. And I was like, oh man, no, that's a major problem now. We've got this issue in the middle of this edit of this book. And it turned out to be great. I just didn't know the bigger picture yet. So my little trick with life is when the difficult things kick in and you can't understand it, is look for what this nugget of deep challenge is showing us and giving us, which is the positive message.

59:30 And whether we see it or not, there is always something of beauty and depth, deep wisdom in the real horrible things that happen, the split up. And when someone says to me, oh, I lost my job. I got made redundant. Oh, God. I go, good. What are you meant to be doing now? And they look at me, that's not very nice. But it is correct.

59:56 Yeah. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Susie, what would you tell somebody who is afraid of dying?

1:00:04 There's nothing to be afraid of, but rather it's the most beautiful, joyful thing.

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1:00:21 We coded to talk about death as tragic. Someone's died. Oh, I'm so sorry. You know, that's awful. It's not. It's beautiful. It might be awful for you. You're left behind. You have to deal with it. And you've got grief. I understand that. I have empathy for that. But actually where they're going is stunning and beautiful. And it is heavenly.

1:00:47 So you can't be fearful of it. There's no point. And yeah, We're meant to. That's how it's meant to be. We're meant to be in life, live a life, find out stuff, learn a lot. And then we reinvent ourselves into something else. And no one's dead. The spirit and soul, we're having next level soul conversations. The soul is here forever.

1:01:15 It's internal, with or without a body to live in. And so my answer to your question is, There's nothing to fear.

1:01:23 Susie, why do you think your soul chose this incarnation? And you've lived this insanely wonderful, chaotic, lovely, all the things. I mean, you have squeezed the juice out of this life. There's no question.

1:01:36 I really have.

1:01:38 And to be honest with you, because you chose to go down this road, I find it fascinating that someone like yourself who's hanging out in the 80s and the 90s, And I say that because I was around in the 80s and the 90s, so I know what that world was like. Not your world, but I could see what was that like where there was drugs everywhere, where there was all these things. You didn't fall into those traps and you made a conscious effort not to fall in those traps. So as a sole blueprint or a sole plan, you came down like you're going to hang out with the– you're going to have a hell of a life, Susie.

1:02:13 And you're not going to fall because it could have been so easy to fall down those paths.

1:02:17 I'm watching people. I mean, the natural progression ultimately, you know, smack and all the stuff that will take you down and you can't manage your life. I was lucky not to have to deal with that. And I could do it all sober. And people would say, these are the days I had to explain why I wasn't drinking. You're not drinking. Can you enjoy yourself? I'm having the best time, but I just happen to be pissed and I'm making really good decisions. And I'll remember this chat tomorrow. You may not.

1:02:46 You will not.

1:02:47 Yeah. And you'll have a hangover and I'll be skipping, you know, skipping to whatever I'm doing next. I was lucky. So I think, I mean, I asked when I was going through the going out my body bit, I prayed and I said, why am I going through this? I seem to remember phrasing it, and I'm a good person. I've dealt with loads of shit all my life and I've been really good.

1:03:12 Why?

1:03:13 Why me and why now? And the first insight I got was you're a writer, you've got a platform, you can communicate, and we want you to communicate about this. That's why I've been so passionate about getting the book out. Alex, last night I thought the edit on my book was going to F up. And I went to bed depressed thinking, oh, that's my mission. That's why I'm here. I've been through all this stuff to write this book so I can help people understand what happens when you die and how you're meant to be living and how you're meant to be dying. That's my job. That's my purpose now. And then that got resolved this morning in some extraordinary freaky situation.

1:03:55 The problem I had yesterday, it's got removed very quick. So I didn't have to sit with it for like a week or two weeks or a year. it got fixed overnight like this. So I think the reason I've been going through and had this extraordinary life, some level my, or the designers of my life or my soul, choosing a body and the people I was, you know, choosing my parents, choosing the life I was going to come in.

1:04:22 You know, there was some big decision points of, I mean, you can't kind of get more glamorous and more well-connected than how my trajectory ended up. So I figure out that I have a big soul purpose. And I'm doing it now, talking to you. I'm doing it now with every story I write, every book I write, every conversation I have, every broadcast I'm involved with. I am spreading the word about choose love. I mean, I'm wearing my T-shirt.

1:04:52 I put it on this morning just for you and the people who listen to this. Death isn't the end. We're all one. We're part of it. much bigger storyline than we could possibly imagine. We should enjoy the bits that give us angst and try and mine for the nuggets and use our consciousness for good. And I think that's my job to communicate about that.

1:05:19 And the book that you're working on right now, is that the Beatles book that was in editing or is there another book?

1:05:24 No, it's a book called Rebirth. And the first half is a memoir. The first half of Rebirth is about my crazy life as a celebrity PR with MJ and the Spice Girls and the Prodigy and us going to, we went to Moscow with the Prodigy and I did MTV to put it out. It was incredible. And we had the best directors, the best filmmakers. We took it all there. And we nearly died about seven times because we had no idea what the rules were. And in the end, we were protected with these guys with giant guns and blacked out cards and stuff. But that was dodgy.

1:06:01 We nearly died many times in that brilliant thing. But I will never forget standing on the stage. Check it out on YouTube. It's MTV Moscow Prodigy. It's one of the greatest pieces of music television I've ever seen. And the story behind it, I put a lot of it into the book about what was actually going on. And you can see me on stage in the clip. It was incredible. And we were creating history, taken to a punk band, into Red Square. Are you joking? We did not check the rule book on this. And had we done and knew what kind of danger we were in, we would not have done it. But we did it.

1:06:41 And it's brilliant. It was one of the best gigs I've ever been to. It was extraordinary. So stories like this, and I've never got to tell many of the stories. I was always the publicist getting their stories in the press, pulling back anything we didn't want to get talked about. And I never told my story until now. So the first half of the book is about my life as doing this crazy stuff, how I met Michael, how we got on, what happened. Michael, by the way, is clean and pure and the biggest heart. He sings the man in the mirror, who's a ninja at manifestation. He would look in the mirror and give himself instructions, affirmations. His music was tuned into this incredible level of hurts that would infuse the whole body of anyone who listened to

1:07:29 it with joy. He was the most amazing performer we've seen in my lifetime, arguably. And he was inbuilt with all this extreme wisdom stuff. And I saw a very caring, gentle, kind man who did extraordinary things behind the scenes that were wonderful. And to help kids, to help, you know, he would be paying for all sorts of stuff. And that was never, I was never communicating that out. I was not allowed to. So I didn't see any dodgy stuff.

1:08:02 There's been a lot of dodgy news stories, but actually one by one, they're getting flipped around now. And people are putting on a, you know, seeing a different, deeper perspective. And, uh, I certainly didn't see anything that raised negative questions. I mean, and I was there with him day by day. I would have seen something.

1:08:23 I mean, well, his, I mean, the, the movie Michael that just came out a little bit ago, I mean, broke a billion dollars at the box office worldwide. So obviously there's something going on there that people still connect to, uh, all these years later. Um, it's, yeah, it's, it's fascinating. I've heard, um, My kids as well, they're huge fans of him. They actually found songs that I had not heard because they've released unreleased tracks and other albums that I just never connected. I just, for whatever reason, never came across. And you know, my kids were like, oh, don't you know this song? I'm like, I never heard that Michael Jackson. And they're like, oh yeah, here it is.

1:09:02 And I'm like, where did this come from? Like, is that AI? Like, no, no, that came out. I was like, holy cow. So, you know, it's like Prince. Like Prince is, I think they say that he has enough music recorded to release a brand new album every year for like another hundred years or something like that.

1:09:20 It's extraordinary. These people. I remember the first time I saw Prince, I was sitting at MTV in our studios in London, in Camden, and someone, a friend next to me, nudged me. And I went, what? So I looked over and we had these kind of half-sized floor things to keep our desk a bit private. And so I just kind of looked over and there was Prince walking by really tiny. I thought, oh my God. And then we all went down to the pub afterwards. And this is how life was there. Literally, we were that close with all these artists all the time. And we'd go down to the studio downstairs, tiny studio, watch and record a show, and then we'd go down to the pub together. Amazing.

1:10:09 There was Robbie Williams, take that. He was the fat boy in those days. And Oasis was there, you know, pushing all the, All the stuff around. All of that. But that was normal. I just looked at him and, yeah, they're in tonight. Who's in tomorrow? I didn't realize then that we were witnessing and part of music history, even though it was fun. I was just grooving. It was just groovy. Every time there was some great music going on, we'd just be dancing in the studio. Ray Cokes, who did Most Wanted, the big premiere show, He was a good friend of mine. And we just had crazy times.

1:10:55 And you'd go round to his house and there'd be Kylie Minogue sitting there and all these people. And I remember one night we had a conversation and we had this thing going back to the start of this talk you and I had today, who your real friends are. And I remember Robbie talking about the fact that he had no idea who was real friends in his life.

1:11:18 because he was becoming so famous and everyone wanted a piece but who's the friends and that's a very real question when you suddenly become very very famous and everyone wants a piece of you it's really hard to work out who's who in life it's very confusing life is confusing enough already without being famous i can't even it's a crazy thing so better to not be famous guys and just enjoy life and soak up all the goodness and love music and be kind to each other and give a ton of love out and try and experience the most beautiful life you can because there is a frame where it starts and it finishes. In terms of this on-the-ground experience, your soul will go through lots of different reincarnations and applications and experiences, but fundamentally this particular

1:12:15 experience journey that we're on this particular episode that we're running out of our lives you know who knows so it's our duty i feel it's our duty to be courageous be imaginative be creative to believe that anything is possible that you might consider taking that on as a belief system it's really fun and we've also learned and science has been showing very recently that our thoughts are immensely powerful, immensely creative. The way we think, the way we feel, when we connect the dots on feeling, thoughts, words, actions, wow, you become these ninja manifestos. I have seen it in my own life and so many others. A lot of the musicians have got it. They're singing amazing lyrics about love.

1:13:12 Going back to Michael Kemp, you know, some of his lyrics, wow, man in the mirror, heal the world. I mean, insanely brilliant. Just turn that up at full volume, get dancing and get it right in to your heart. And the heart mind connection is so important. And so if I thought, I thought the other day, what do I want my legacy to be? I want my legacy to be that I've talked a lot about the power of this. Thinking, feeling, talking.

1:13:45 And it's like a magic symbiotic chemistry that we can create to create our realities. Let's do better. We know that's true. Let's do it. But lots of people don't believe it or know it or are told about it. Kids certainly aren't. So I would advocate to get that message out.

1:14:05 Now, Susie, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the.

1:14:15 Susie Powell X. And I just love it. I mean, I'm accessible. I just want people to get in touch and tell me stuff. And I enjoy writing and I'm just going to write about all the stuff I'm learning. And each person listening to this will have incredible stories themselves, which they can work out the relationship of their lives to the life of the whole. And I think that's the exciting thing we all have to look forward to.

1:14:43 Susie, it has been an absolute pleasure and honor speaking to you today, my dear. It's been so great. It's been such a fun try. I could talk to you for hours. I'm sure you have stories and stories and stories for days. But I appreciate you not only coming back on the show, but coming back, period, and all the work that you're doing to help awaken the planet.

1:15:03 So thank you so much.

1:15:05 Thank you. Thank you. Alex, it's been a real pleasure. And this is my topic that I love talking about. I'm so passionate about it. And I just feel like we're all on the planet together, which is incredible that we get to spend our time on the planet together at the same point in time. And let's make life wonderful just the best way we can and be kind to each other and love each other. Alex, thank you so much for inviting me on. I've loved it. Loved every second.

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