Theo Explains the Chaos Happening in the World with Sheila Gillette

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1:18 by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. I'd like to welcome back to the show, returning champion, Sheila Gillette. How you doing, Sheila?

1:35 I'm doing great. It's good to be with you, Alex. We always have such fun.

1:40 Yes, we do. We have amazing conversations. I absolutely adore Theo. And you've been on the show, I can't even count how many times now at this point. But it's always fun to talk to you and to discuss things. you know, what's happening and what's Theo's point of view on a lot of this stuff. So I'm just gonna dive in with the first question. When you tune into Theo today, what are they saying about the chaos we're seeing in the world right now?

2:11 Well, what they say is it's theater. They say they've been talking for five decades about this time and the consciousness shift that's happening. what we're watching is the dissolution, if you would, of old patterns, old structures, old foundations crumbling. But it's not only happening externally, it's what's happening internally to all of us. Because what they say is that the outside world is just but a reflection of what's inside each and every one of us. And as we come into our centered selves, that there will be peace in the world. And as you know, they brought forth the soul integrative process as the process of how to make those changes within to bring about unconditional love of self.

3:10 And if everybody loves himself enough, we'll have peace.

3:13 Sheila, let me ask you though, and we were talking a little bit about this before we started the show is, that this isn't the first time in recent history that everything seemed very chaotic. I mean, we don't want to go back all the way to like World War II or World War I. That's a whole other conversation. But more currently in our lifetimes, you know, the 60s and the 70s, you know, when I was born, Vietnam was still going on. But in the 60s, there was such major upheaval and almost a rejection of what the 50s were.

3:43 The 50s had a very different energy than the 60s with the hippie movement, the youth, And then leaders just being, you know, killed everywhere, you know, from JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, among many others who were assassinated back then. And then obviously the political, you know, with Richard Nixon and all that stuff. There was so much insanity going on there. How does, was that like the spark at the beginning of this? Because when you started, what year did you start talking to Theo? And when did Theo start talking about this?

4:15 Well, I started doing my work in 69 when this, I had my near-death experience. Theo came in in 71. Okay.

4:24 So you're around that time. So when they start talking about this time, there was a lot going on at that time. It's a major shift.

4:33 Well, interestingly enough, some of the first stuff that came through was stuff about Watergate.

4:39 Interesting. So they were talking about Watergate. Oh, yeah.

4:43 And I. Was doing automatic writing, and I could hear the messages. And I got notebooks full of Watergate information.

4:54 Before?

4:55 Two years before it came to the surface.

4:59 What did you think when you started seeing that? You're like, this is insane.

5:02 Well, you know, I had been given so many things I could not have known about that were true, that, you know, I had evidence of. to build trust in what I was being told, I thought, wow, this is pretty out there, you know, because I couldn't imagine. And they were saying, you ought to tell the president, these are my words, paraphrasing, knock it off. But I went, I'm not going to tell anybody. It was, you know, eye-opening.

5:38 And then stuff started coming out in the news and everything started surfacing. And things were being said that I had received. And 16 years later, when I was living in Santa Fe, New Mexico, I met John Ehrlichman. John Ehrlichman was the aide to the president, like the chief of staff.

6:06 Oh, chief of staff of Nixon.

6:08 Of Nixon.

6:08 Okay.

6:09 At 40 years old.

6:11 Oh, wow.

6:12 But he was living in Santa Fe at the time. And I met him. We became friendly. And so I shared with him what I had gotten. And we discussed it. And he corroborated everything that I had gotten behind the scenes. But interestingly enough, you know, the five guys that went to jail that were close to the president, he said, Just he and Bob Halderman knew each other. They worked in the White House together. The other three, they only met in court. But it made it sound like they were all in cahoots. You know, they were all working together, which was quite interesting. But I got to tell you, to have that validation.

7:00 Oh, that solidified everything.

7:02 Oh, my gosh. Yes.

7:04 Yes. So that time period, though, what does Theo say about that time period? Because, I mean, it did shift.

7:11 Well, then we had Reagan shot in front of the same hotel.

7:16 Right. I remember that.

7:18 That was 82nd?

7:20 80-something, yeah. It wasn't his first term. I think it was at the beginning of his second or something like that.

7:25 I can't remember.

7:25 Or at the end of the first. Yeah, something like that.

7:27 I can't remember.

7:27 But I remember it very vividly as well. You know, so it's... So what do they say about that? Because the modern New Age movement and bringing into the forefront metaphysical ideas really started in the 60s. I mean, it's been around for centuries, obviously.

7:47 Well, it was 69 when I opened up.

7:50 Right, exactly. And channelers weren't all the rage. I don't even think you were called channelers at that point. That term didn't come around until later. Well, I was.

7:58 called was a direct voice transmedium. That was the terminology.

8:03 That's what rolled off the tongue.

8:07 That's what the scientists called me because of the process. And gosh, it wasn't until the 80s that channeling became the terminology.

8:18 Right.

8:18 When Jay-Z night began, I think that.

8:21 Yeah, because Seth was around... When did Seth come in? 40s? 30s? Or is it older?

8:28 Oh, Seth?

8:28 Yeah, the Seth material. It was earlier 1900s, if I'm not mistaken. I've seen, well, there was some.

8:36 Jane Roberts.

8:37 Yeah, Jane Roberts, the channel.

8:39 Oh, she was in the 60s.

8:40 It was the 60s. I wasn't, I wasn't familiar. Okay, so the 60s. So it was around, so again, the 60s was a big, Edgar Cayce was obviously, that's what I'm thinking. Edgar Cayce was in the 20s and the 30s.

8:49 Edgar Cayce was in the 20s, 30s, 40s. The war, the Second World War. But, It was Jane Roberts.

8:59 That she was like the first. And she was, I've seen film of her. That was, I mean, that was. Intense. It's intense. That's, I mean, Theo's a very chilled.

9:10 Yeah.

9:10 You know, but she was, it was really wild. Yeah. How she was not thrown into a loony bin at that time in history is beyond me. Yeah.

9:21 Well, a lot of people were.

9:22 Yeah, they were. So did Theo ever say anything in regards to the 60s being the catalyst of this shift that we were going through?

9:33 Well, it's all been the evolution that we're in right now.

9:36 Since back in the day.

9:38 Well, the fifth dimension.

9:40 You've been writing about that for decades.

9:42 Oh, yeah.

9:43 Five. But the thing was, this has been a process of evolution. the Earth aligning to this new dimensional frequency, fifth dimension. The third is our physical reality. The fourth, the spiritual awakening. When I wrote the book, The Fifth Dimension, people, what do you mean? We're going into the fourth. And I said, no, no, no. And it fully was in place, locked in, let's say, in 2012. Hence all that information.

10:18 information about the Mayan calendar well they were talking about 2012 before that and so that's been a part of this awakening and opening and I've been doing this work five decades I've watched about every ten years now it's quickened it's happening more and more on a daily basis these waves of people waking up having their own experiences that's what I mean by waking up they're They're having their own psychic, if you will, experiences, their own connectivity to source or guidance. And that's the way it should be.

10:57 And I've always talked about that. If I'm connected and able to do this, we all are. Yeah, of course. That's what Jesus said. Well, and that's what we've been observing. When I started, it wasn't even a conversation to be had in public.

11:14 Oh, God.

11:16 You know, people were... terrified or fearful or something bad's going to happen to you. So I didn't go in to social situations and go, guess what I can do?

11:28 Give me a second.

11:29 Yeah.

11:30 It is the time.

11:32 You know, it's been evolving and it's been wonderful to see this happening. But back to the 60s when that was all happening, it was revolutionary what was happening because Well, and that's when all the drug scenes started happening and all of that, which was a part because those drugs that were coming on blew people wide open.

12:02 Well, LSD. Yeah.

12:03 And so they were having all these experiences.

12:07 Yeah, the psychedelics.

12:08 Yeah. So I think all of that.

12:10 Had the influence on.

12:15 Of this quickened awakening and look where we are in just that little time. As in technology, everything that's happened in our lives. Now we can meet globally on the internet. You know, when I started my work, I was working one-on-one with people, or I was traveling to different cities, to small groups. And personal sessions with people.

12:43 That was the business.

12:44 And then it was on the phone.

12:46 Right.

12:47 And now it's on Zoom.

12:49 Right.

12:49 You know? And Theo told me back then, in the early 70s, 71, that this would be a global work. And that this, what's happening right now, would be happening. Wow. And no evidence then. But now it's like, wow.

13:09 So since Theo has been on the mark for the last 50 years about what's coming, what's coming? Now, what has he said about or what have they said about the next five or ten years from now?

13:23 Well, what they said originally, and I wrote in the book The Fifth Dimension, the chapter on prophecy was exactly what's happening now, that there would be this awakened time. that all of the chaos will bring about the shift of structures, global economy, global connectivity, Internet, all of the things that are happening now, plus this chaos of change bringing about a new foundation. You know, they said people have believed in the end of the world. It's not the end of the world. that the world will be here much longer than any of us that are here.

14:11 But it would be the end of old generational patternings that don't work anymore and new being formed in and through us, but also affecting the world in the sense of the foundations, economics. They said there would be an organization like the UN, only much more powerful. In the future. It's what I heard. The other day on one of the news shows, maybe Jon Stewart, he had on the woman that's the head of the UN right now, and she said where they're going is they're creating a new structure, much more powerful, almost the words that Theo said.

14:56 Wow.

14:57 And that it would be a collaborative world because we're one species on this planet and we're all connected. The pandemic showed us that. There were no boundaries.

15:08 Or No borders. Borders. Right.

15:11 Perceived.

15:12 Didn't care about race, didn't care about language, didn't care about any of that. No.

15:15 So all of this is a contribution of that new birth. And Theo says, and birth can be messy, but the end result will be magnificent.

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15:42 So energetically right now, the Iran war that the U.S. has kind of started and we're in, what is that? What are you seeing energetically there? Because there's obviously karma between these two energies. I mean, back when I was growing up, the Iran hostages and all of that, I remember in first grade, drawing pictures, like bring the hostages home and all that stuff. So there's a long, and that's just then, there's a longer history with this country.

16:16 What is it energetically? What are we, what is happening? Why are we doing this? What's the purpose of it? What's the outcome going to be?

16:25 Well, it's the same old paradigm, isn't it? That the third dimensional paradigms of there's not enough for everybody.

16:36 Yeah.

16:37 So we need to have what you have. We need to take away from you. But also there's the ideologies that are different, that haven't been respected, too. You know, the respect between you and I and respecting our differences. We're more the same than we are different, really. And I'm talking about cultures.

17:01 Humans in general.

17:02 Humans in general.

17:03 We want love. We want to take care of our family.

17:07 We all want the same things. There's a few of us.

17:11 Just a couple.

17:12 That want to be in power and control everybody and everything. There's always been that in our history, our global history. And that's what's changing. That consciousness is changing. That's part of the new birth. And that's where we come in. because it's changing in each and every one of us. And Theo said, by the people, these changes will come.

17:38 And look what's happening in the world. The people are standing up against politics.

17:46 Politics, big pharma, education, media, religion, every major foundational thing, industries are being, people are just like, no. We do not want this in our food. We don't want this in our education. We don't want this in our religion. They're fighting back.

18:07 Yeah.

18:08 Before they were much more quiet.

18:10 Well, giving the power away.

18:12 Yeah.

18:14 They'll take care of it.

18:16 And now that they see that it's not being taken care of, everyone's starting to get angry and start to go. You were saying that we're changing these paradigms. This seems to be the first time in human history that this has happened. And when I say that, I'm not talking about the human history that we've talked about. I mean, if you do believe Atlantis was there and there have been multiple cycles, even if you go into the Vedic texts and things like that, multiple yuga cycles and things like that of humanity, that there's up and down and destruction and wipe out and we start again and all this kind of stuff. This is the first time that we've ever agreed as a consciousness to shift out of these old Yeah, I think it was a cry on

19:01 our friend Lee Carroll. He said, it's a train track that we've been going around and around. This is the first time we've gotten off this track and we're on a new track. And this is uncharted territory for humanity in the history of humanity. It is.

19:13 We're birthing a new world.

19:15 Yeah.

19:16 And not in a bad way. You know, in the conspiratorial world, you know, we're going to be in a new world and Everything is going to go away. No, no. It's going to be different.

19:30 It has to be.

19:31 And it's going to be better.

19:33 It has to be. Yeah. Because we can't keep going like this. If we kept going like this, we'd be done in about 100 years. Like we'd run out of resources.

19:41 We'd run out of– We already are starting to because of ill-perceived choices.

19:49 Greed. control, power, that kind of stuff. We have more than enough to feed the entire world. We do. We have more than enough to give everybody everything that they need.

19:59 But you know what Theo says, and this is where it comes to us to make the inner changes, is if all the money in the world was– Equally distributed.

20:09 Yeah. No, I'll go back.

20:12 That if people didn't change on the inner about their belief about it, all the people who have all the money would have it all again because it's a mindset.

20:24 Absolutely. It's the whole lottery ticket thing. I think it's like a third of everyone who wins the lottery loses it all because they can't handle it.

20:32 Well, they don't believe they deserve it.

20:35 On a deep, deep subconscious level.

20:37 And so get rid of it, get rid of it, get rid of it. All of us know, people, maybe ourselves, that if we have more than our best friend, we may lose our friend because we're different now.

20:56 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

20:58 And that fear of abandonment is huge.

21:03 That's primal.

21:05 Yeah.

21:06 It is probably. Yeah, because you're being rejected from the community, from the tribe. And if you're not with the tribe, chances of survival are very minimal.

21:15 And survival is paramount, even with our physical bodies. The body is always wanting to survive. And it's miraculous in the way it can heal itself. It's constantly coming or trying to be in homeostasis in good health. And if we pay attention to it, we can achieve that. But we have to listen, be in our bodies, not give our power away. You know, that's what we've done in the old patterns, is we need collaborative people on our health team that listen to us.

21:56 And are with us for more than 30 seconds when we go into a doctor's appointment.

22:01 Well, we go back to the old structures of greed.

22:05 Yeah. And that's what dictated. Listen, I have a lot of relatives who are doctors and I had relatives who were in the old system where you could like be a doctor or a lawyer and that's where you're going to make all your money.

22:18 Yeah.

22:18 Well, it's been true. It has been, but not anymore. Now doctors are treated like cattle. They have to hit marks. They have to like all these giant companies are just moving them around. Yeah.

22:30 It's all corporate.

22:31 It's all corporate. So like they can't be with you more than unless they have their own practice, they can't spend more than five minutes with you because they have to hit a quota and all this kind of stuff. So I've heard it from, they're like, I would, I have two doctor friends, two relatives who are doctors. They're like, we would never do this if we would have, I would never gone down this road if we would have known this was what it was going to be.

22:52 Well, I've known doctors who have stopped practicing and went into other things. Yeah.

22:59 Yeah. It's, but things are starting to shift very, very much so. With this great awakening, Sheila, what are people getting wrong about this awakening? What are they misunderstanding about not only the awakening within themselves, but awakening within the entire consciousness? Fear.

23:18 It's all based in fear. That's what if something bad's going to happen? You know, everything that has been promoted is fear-based, as we know in media and and film, and you've been in the film industry for years, and that sells.

23:41 Because it's a primal thing for us. If we lead with love and heartfelt, and yeah, and that does get you. But if you have right next to it, this horrible thing is going to happen, you will look at the horrible.

23:59 Because it's- It's the train wreck.

24:01 But it's also the primal thing, like how is this going to affect me? How is this going to affect my family? How is this going to affect my country? Which all goes back to how is this going to affect me?

24:09 Basically, yeah. And so this is a time that that belief system is part of the change. Theo encourages people when they get in that fear-based thing of what if something bad is going to happen to flip it and say what if something good is going to happen? And begin to create that mindset out of the old fright, flight, fear, automatic response, which has been our third dimensional response. But we're more powerful than that.

24:48 But we're afraid of it. We're afraid of being as powerful as we are. We're afraid of admitting to ourselves that we have the same abilities as all these avatars on the wall. They just happen to be walking the path a little farther ahead of us. But I'll always go back to what Jesus said. Everything I can do, you can do and more. Yeah. The kingdom of heaven is within you. He was saying these things over 2,000 years ago.

25:17 But now we're living in that Christos energy.

25:20 Christ consciousness. Yes.

25:23 Theo will say Christ is not his last name.

25:29 Well, to be fair, Jesus isn't his first either.

25:34 I'm just saying. Yeah. So that's its fifth dimensionary energy, is the Christ energy. And many people who have come back embodied to be here for this time, they were there then. Because it's not, Theo talks about this is the second coming, but it's not about one individual.

26:00 It's about us.

26:01 We are the coming, the second coming.

26:05 That's beautiful.

26:06 The expression of that Christos energy. And to your point, all of you can do what I do, that he was talking about this time. And so I think it's fascinating, as I observed, Because I've been a great observer of this 50 years of evolution of people. I find it really exciting. I'm not afraid at all. I think I'm really optimistic. And the people I see coming forth now to do similar work that I do. I've mentored a few of them. And it's just, to me, phenomenal. in such a good way to bring that truth of love forward even stronger and more vibrantly. And people are grasping it and they're using it and they're having evidence in their lives that they do have power.

27:13 I find it pretty fascinating how, from your perspective, there's a handful of you who've been doing this for a long time. You, Daryl, Anka, Lee Carroll has been doing it for a minute too. You've seen it transition.

27:29 They're just puppies. They're just new guys.

27:31 They're the new guys. I know. I know. You're the OG. There's no question you're the OG. I love to tease about that. But within that time period, 30, 40 years to see the change within this, I got to imagine when you see a show like this getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of views on an episode, that must have been unconscionable to you.

27:57 Well, Theo told me it would be happening. And so I didn't know how.

28:01 Yeah, TV, you're like on TV.

28:04 We didn't have computers.

28:07 Right.

28:07 You know, so it was like, okay.

28:11 Sure. Sure, Theo.

28:13 And now it's so exciting. When we do webinars and we're sitting there, Theo calls it the– oh, I called it the global living room. I just get chills because– Theo told me this would be happening and we're sitting there with people all over the world, as you have too, being a part of that community. And it's magic.

28:41 It is pretty magical.

28:42 It's so magical that we, in just a tiny bit of time, just a few years, this has come to fruition. And that's not going to stop from what Theo says. Innovation will keep going. There's a quickening that's happened to move this forward. Because people say to me, well, how long is this going to last? Well, you know, this dissolution is happening quickly, daily. If you think about how quick things are moving, that's the quickening.

29:15 God, it's so fast.

29:17 Yeah. So who knows? It could be tomorrow.

29:21 As of this recording, we've been doing this over five years. This show has been around for over five years. What I've seen just these five years, the explosion of other shows, other content, other creators, other people trying to put the word out of things. I mean, when I came in, there was a handful of podcasts. Now there's hundreds and thousands talking about every aspect of spirituality and awakening and all this stuff. And I'm like, wow, this is pretty amazing how fast everything is going. It's pretty amazing to watch.

29:59 And I'm like, well, if we just did the math, five years from now, I can't even comprehend where we're going to be.

30:05 Oh, I know.

30:06 And what it's going to even look like and what platforms will be out there and all of that.

30:12 Yeah, because....

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30:24 Before we had home computers, before all of this, We couldn't imagine what that would look like. I mean, when Theo told me this would be a global movement.

30:37 You're like, how the hell?

30:38 And that Theo would be talking to people globally, and I'm thinking, I'm one person, and right now I have to fly to New York to see people? And I just couldn't imagine what that would look like, how that many 8 billion people could be reached. by just one person.

31:02 At the same time.

31:03 Yeah. And it was just like, wow.

31:06 So what is Theo? So then has Theo told you anything in recent year? Let's say this year or last year, he's told you something. You're like, yeah, I don't know how we're going to do that. Like he's saying something similar, like, well, you know, we're all going to be walking around on the moon and we're going to do this or that or like whatever it is. What is, has there been something that he said to you that you can't wrap your head around now?

31:31 No, I don't. Because of so much evidence I've had over the years.

31:37 No, I know you believe him, but has he said something that you just truly don't understand how we're going to get there? You believe that it'll happen, like this, like I'm going to talk to billions of people around the world that we have the accountability. So is there anything like that?

31:49 You know, honestly, I can't think of anything. Because we're just- Because.

31:52 We're in it. And everything is- News something new is coming out.

31:57 I think the thing that really brought that home to me, when we could see space. I love the space stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:07 It's magical.

32:08 When Elon Musk launched those two spaceships that went off and they landed.

32:14 That was pretty cool, I got to say.

32:16 I try to watch all that stuff if I can live. Yeah, yeah. But the pictures of space, they're so beautiful.

32:26 Oh, with the new telescope up there.

32:27 Yeah. I mean, that to me just gives me chills. It's amazing. Even in medicine, daily new stuff happening. I mean, open heart surgery and they send you home that day. I mean, seriously, folks.

32:47 This is... It's an outpatient procedure now. Yeah.

32:52 It's just, you know, in medicine, new... innovative surgeries.

32:58 I saw a doctor in Europe did a surgery in New York from Europe. He was a robot controlling it through the internet.

33:09 A lot of robotic surgeries happening.

33:12 But the point is that he... Yeah, that's one thing when the doctor's in the other room, I've never heard of one on the other side of the world who happened to be one of the best surgeons on the planet, apparently. And he's now able to not have to fly He can do multiple surgeries around the world from Germany kind of thing. And you're like, what is this?

33:31 So back to your question, is there anything? No, because of those kinds of things are happening every single day. And if we look for those, and I know you do, you're curious about the good stuff as I am. You know, if we look for that good stuff, there's a lot of good stuff going on. I think we'd all get calmer about the changes that are happening. But most of us fear change because we don't know who we'll be or what it will be like.

34:05 Back to our primal stuff. Yeah.

34:07 So we just have to be in it.

34:10 To see what happens.

34:11 And not to just assume what might happen, but just to be in the process of it happening. And it's moving so fast that this... This opening, I mean, just from where I started to where we are now, it's just amazing to me. So that's why I'm optimistic. I know we, the human species, are amazing. And when we get that knowledge that we are, more great things will happen.

34:43 Well, we've been talking about this Theo character for a while now. And we just jumped into our conversation. Yeah, we did. And I'm assuming if someone's watching this for the first time, they're like, what is Theo? What is happening? Who are you people? Who are you people? So we've done multiple other interviews. So if anybody's interested, they can go to those. But really quickly, just explain who Theo is and then how you're going to jump into him. Okay.

35:09 Well, Theo is not one. but 12 archangels that speak collectively as one voice. And they call themselves Theo. They will not identify singularly because they said the message is what's important, not the messenger.

35:26 So they have no egos. That's nice.

35:28 Or judgment.

35:29 That's evil. That's evil. That's also nice. That's really nice.

35:33 And they've been coming through this body by permission. They said, we made an agreement, which we did. When I ask God for a job.

35:44 Careful what you wish for.

35:46 I know, exactly. If I'd had a roster of jobs, maybe I wouldn't have chosen this. But I'm glad I did now. But they come in the right side of my body. They take over my vocal cords. There's a change of voice. And they speak directly to us. And it is question activated. They told me one time, we could. Tell you a lot of things. But what we want to do is meet you where you are so that you can grow, so that you can understand. And over the years, they've elevated us because my husband says we're only limited by our intelligence and the questions we ask because they'll answer everything.

36:39 Anything.

36:40 As you know, we've had those discussions. So as people are evolving so quickly, it's amazing what they're teaching us now because we're ready for it.

36:54 Right. Exactly. Now we've graduated kindergarten and preschool, and now we're starting to get to a little higher grade levels that we can now comprehend deeper ideas, deeper concepts. We're ready for it. Yeah. So.

37:09 All right, let's... Well, one other statement I have to make that I really enjoy now is having peers. You know, when I... You know, you mentioned Lee Carroll and Bashar. You know, I've been privileged to meet them at different conferences now that we've all been involved in. And as you know, Esther has been a friend and a... Esther Hicks.

37:35 Yeah.

37:36 And so... It's just such a delight now to have friends that we speak the same language. We all know that, you know, to have a community of people that get you. You're not so weird anymore. So, you know, that's been a great privilege.

37:56 That must be. I mean, yeah, when you're like alone in an island somewhere, you're like, God, I have to get a Wilson. That's the only person I can talk to really about this. And now you're like, oh, look, there's another one. Oh, there's another one. There's another one. Now there's a community of us. And it's growing every day.

38:13 It is. It's a lot of that. It is. And I've talked to a lot of them.

38:17 I know you have. You've met a lot of the people. I haven't met everybody that you've met, but I have met several. And it's delightful.

38:25 It is pretty amazing.

38:27 Because as you know, with your community, people are looking for community.

38:31 Yes.

38:32 They're looking for people they can talk to about what's going on for them and their awakenings and their experiences. And it's just that's the awakening I'm talking about, these waves of awakening and people now seeking community. where they won't be the weird one out, you know, that they can be seen and heard and known.

38:59 Yeah, when we did our Ascension Conference, we had a beautiful group of souls that came from around the world.

39:05 I know some of our community came.

39:07 Yeah. They loved it. It really was a beautiful experience to be in that room. The energy in that room was so beautiful. And the biggest takeaway we got is everybody was like, oh my God, this is heaven. I could just talk freely. Everybody around me, is all on the same page. Everyone I could just talk to, I'm like, yeah, you know, I had a near-death experience. Oh, I did too.

39:28 That was great. I have a channel. Oh, yeah. It's amazing that everybody had that beautiful experience. I think that's what people are looking for more and more. Well, they are.

39:39 And there's so many people that don't have someone to talk to still now. But it's going to be more the norm now.

39:49 I'll tell you something before we start, Sheila, with Theo, is I had a version of that in my life, which was being a filmmaker in South Florida in the late 80s, early 90s, was pretty much almost being in a desert. It was very few people. I mean, nowadays, everybody knows what a filmmaker is and what a director is.

40:09 And it's all over the world.

40:10 And it's everywhere now. You had to go to film school because that's the only place you can get information about becoming a filmmaker. Now it's everywhere and You know, when I was growing up, the occasional Raiders of the Lost Ark or Star Wars documentary on how they made it was all I had. And I felt so alone.

40:26 And I would see, like, shows about L.A. or about Hollywood, and I would watch movies. That was my only– I couldn't speak to– my friends didn't understand it. When I said I was going to a film school, they were like, what the hell is that? Like, this is insane kind of thing. So I had a version of that. Now, everybody– talks to me about, yeah, the green screen here, the angle here, this is how you get the light here.

40:49 And this new generation that's growing up with all this information is magical to see. So I have a version of what you had in my microcosm of my life.

40:59 It's pretty interesting to see. Marcus and I, my husband, we like to watch documentaries like that.

41:05 Yeah, I love documentaries.

41:06 And, you know, it's so fun to see where everybody starts from. It really is. And as you were speaking about that, I was thinking about Steven Spielberg.

41:16 You were in my mind.

41:18 And that was so fun to see. He had his little camera and he was out there as a young boy making films.

41:25 The little war movies with the Super 8. Yeah. Or I think it was just 8. I don't even think it was Super 8. It was just 8 millimeter cameras. Yeah.

41:31 And so the where I came from kind of thing, we all love that.

41:38 Oh, the origin stories. We're all love the origin. I'm upset. I read so many biographies and I've studied so many people's lives to see what, how they work, to learn from their paths.

41:51 Because we all see the successful person.

41:54 Oh, yeah.

41:54 And we think, oh, they came that way.

41:57 Overnight success. Overnight success. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People look at our show and they're like, oh, look at them. They're so successful. I'm like, 11 years I've been podcasting. Fifty. Fifty. Exactly. I beat you. Okay, okay, listen, listen. This is not about who's been doing it the longest.

42:14 My husband said, you're going to be a 40-year overnight success.

42:18 Exactly. Well, if you want to throw in the 40 years I've been doing everything in the film industry and everything, sure. Go back to 82 when I saw E.T. for the first time, and that's when I first started thinking about being a filmmaker. Wow, that was so great. That's when I first started thinking about being a filmmaker. I don't know what I was thinking, but I was thinking movies then.

42:38 But yes, you win. You win.

42:41 It's no contest.

42:42 Exactly. It is no contest. I can't win. But that's just pointing the fact that it's like, oh, yeah, overnight success. People don't see the hours, the years of struggle and honing of their skills.

42:55 And you just start. You start with what you got.

42:58 And you go. And you go.

43:00 You know that term, bootstrapping.

43:02 Yeah.

43:04 You know, that's exactly what you do. You have a passion.

43:08 And you just do it.

43:09 And you just do it. And, you know, somebody said, how did you, with all the judgments and stuff. Well, you know, I had the commitment. I could not not do what I was doing.

43:22 I know the feeling.

43:23 And, you know, and there were people.

43:26 Stop it. Shocking. Who didn't approve? Yeah.

43:31 A lot.

43:33 Who said the devil was coming through? Yes, I understand. Yes.

43:36 The minister across the street.

43:37 Yes. Yes, and I always– anytime someone says that about Chandler, I go, you know what? The devil is a really bad devil because all they say is about love and hope and wonderful things.

43:47 They're not deviling right.

43:48 They're not really deviling right. Satan is doing a bad job kind of thing. But anyway. All right. Let's bring in this devil. I mean Theo. Let's bring in Theo. Let's bring in some beautiful joy and energy with Theo.

44:02 So it just takes a few seconds.

44:04 Okay.

44:04 And I'll take it. Close my eyes and take a couple deep breaths and invite them in.

44:09 Yes.

44:10 All right, here we go. It is the beginning, is it not?

44:15 Yes. Thank you, Theo, for being here. My first question to you is I wanted to talk about what our past avatars like Jesus, Buddha, and these kind of people were doing to awaken the souls of their time And how that is mirroring what is happening now in a way of if it's the same souls that were there that are doing it again here. How are those two connected in the rising of our Christ consciousness or attaining Christ consciousness or Buddha consciousness?

44:51 So the master teachers that have come before that walked in human bodies as the wayshowers, the way of a new way, planting the seeds within the minds in those times of what was to be birthed in the now. It was not in that third dimensional reality possible, but the evolution of that consciousness spoken of then to be experienced now By all of them. They all had the same message of love, connectivity to one another, and empowering the self.

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45:55 But it could not be heard by the beliefs of not enough. The beliefs... that one was lesser than, that one could not see the God in themselves that they were a part of.

46:13 Until now.

46:15 This is the time that was spoken of then. Is that energy present?

46:21 Of course it is.

46:23 That is the time you're living in. It was spoken in the past of revelations. The revelation is that each and every one of you is the second coming of the Christos. The Christos energy is about the earth as we speak now in the fifth dimension, which is this awakened time. And so the knowing of that, or the sense and feeling and a remembrance that many have of being in those times, of being taught, that lesson now to take with it and fully embrace.

47:06 Theo, if you could speak or address the world leaders of today, what would you say to them?

47:13 They are not unlike the world leaders of past in third dimensional reality in that sense of control and manipulation, greed, and coming from the old patterns of belief of not enough and stemming from a belief inside each and every one of them that they're not enough. For to see a dictatorship, to see a bully, you can just know that they're acting out from their past and belief systems they adopted about themselves of not being worthy. And so the superiority that they eschew is only covering their feelings of inferiority about themselves. And that acting out to others as they do is trying to regain some type of control so they will not be seen as they feel themselves to be in their truth.

48:39 Are there any unseen forces that are helping or hindering humanity during this change?

48:46 There are no unseen forces hindering. There are some who are seen that are here to act their role appropriately for change. As we speak of this time as high drama, the theater, it is being expressed that all these old structures, all these old belief systems, surfacing, nothing is hidden. It's all on the surface to be changed. It's like the Prigogine theory of the atom. For the atom to have a breakthrough to a different version of itself, there needed to be chaos. So the chaos is getting to a pitch, is it not? For a breakthrough to a higher version.

49:52 And what does that mean? That each and every one of you will begin to realize the power within and accept it. And then use that in a creative force to build the new world that is being birthed now in a different consciousness. The fifth dimension is a different vector of time, if you would. The third and fourth dimensional realities are these old patterns that are dissolving, these old foundations that do not work. But new are being built, just like new innovations that will continue to grow momentarily, if you would. Many speak of getting downloads of this and that.

50:44 It's true.

50:46 Visionaries vision the future. You're aware of many visionaries now that have created technology that you all use, whether you like it or not. And if it's not working, you become annoyed. And you've had it for a precious small amount of time. That is going to continue to bring forth this new world. Don't be afraid of it.

51:26 Is there a hidden opportunity in the chaos that most people are missing?

51:31 Of course there is. It's to recognize who you are, not become part of the chaos, but as the observer, what can you use within you that becomes triggered by it as a tool of revelation on the inner for yourself of where the beliefs about you must change. Rewrite the script. That's the integrative process that we speak of.

52:06 If everyone in the world integrated, the fragmented aspects of their soul that have been fractalized out of experience, situation, circumstances, where beliefs were created or adopted about this self of unworth. So when you're revealed what that time was, you can defrost that part of self frozen in that moment in time and with love bring it forward into the wholeness of the being.

52:44 Is there a question I should be asking that I'm not? No.

52:50 What we would say to you, because of your curiosity, you will continue to strive to ask, to know, and to be validated in that knowing. So as you are ready for the information and the knowing to be known, the question will come. It's not ours to give to ask, but yours to ask and ours to satisfy that curiosity.

53:26 The current war that is being waged with Iran, with the United States and Iran, is having global impact. in a way that we're still not able to see regarding energy, regarding commerce, a bunch of different things that we have yet to even see. First of all, what do you see in the future of this? When is this going to end? When is it going to fix? What do you see happening with it? And is there an energetic reasoning for this specific conflict?

54:03 It's an outer expression of what's on the inner. And understand this, this is based in judgment of better than and lesser than, judgment of each other, judgment of cultures, judgment of religion. It truly has nothing to do with the things you think it is. It's all about this sense of better than and lesser than. in judgment of each other. If there is the realization of human experiences that you're all the same. If the pandemic did not address this for all of you, then these wars, these extreme judgments of one another will, as they are now, to ask the question. But it's really an inter, inner dimensional or inner personal of letting go, loving each other, loving the self first, which seems a ridiculous statement, but

55:13 that's the key. When you love yourselves enough, everything changes because then you can love others as the self. You can love another and see them as yourself because you are the same.

55:33 Theo, I want to ask you about money or the concept of money. This is a big, big focus of a lot of people's lives. But it occurs to me that money doesn't truly exist. It is an agreement that we have with everybody else that this little piece of paper or these numbers on a screen have value. It's not like I'm giving you a goat and you're giving me a pig back. There's actual inherent value in that because you can do something with it. But the actual numbers on a screen or the paper in your pocket doesn't have– or even gold doesn't have any– well, gold has some utilitarian things for it. But generally speaking, there is no value to it. That's true. So if that's the case, why can't we all make an agreement that

56:23 everyone gets a bunch of numbers in their accounts and everybody has the same thing? I don't understand the concept because it's very– complicated. There's wars over money, but it doesn't truly exist. There's nothing real there. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.

56:37 So money has no energy in it or worth in and of itself. It's what all of you give it. It's really just an exchange for goods and services, energetically speaking, and everything is energy. So that is true. That power is given to money, and it truly has none. It's just a belief. And as we spoke earlier, beliefs can change.

57:11 And it is dictated in whatever form that's used, whether it's coin or paper or digital. People give it the same power, yes?

57:29 Yeah. Cryptocurrency just came online a decade ago, less than a decade ago.

57:34 Yes.

57:35 And now everyone gives it power and there's value there. And I was wondering like, that doesn't make any sense.

57:40 It's not real.

57:41 None of it is. No. None of it is. Are we heading towards a society like Gene Roddenberry from Star Trek actually said? Because if I remember correctly in those movies and shows, no one spoke of money. Everything was just there. The technology- gave everybody access to pretty much almost everything to a certain extent. And I might be mistaken.

58:04 The only conflict was with other civilizations around the universe and things like that.

58:09 Like other countries.

58:11 Right. But it's just grown to a more universal aspect as opposed to a global.

58:15 Yes.

58:17 So we could actually grasp what he was trying to say. But are we heading towards that?

58:21 You're already in it.

58:23 We're getting there with AI and all of this. Yes. Is AI something we should be afraid of?

58:29 No. It's only as good as the people that program it. And know that it's a useful tool, just like all your technology. As we spoke earlier, you get annoyed with the technology you have now when it's not working on your behalf properly.

58:48 Yes?

58:49 AI will be the same. It's not perfect. Because who's the programmer here? Many fear that AI itself would program. It's not going to do away with humans. And they're the ultimate, ultimate technology.

59:10 You see. And we're still trying to figure out our own technology. Correct. Are we the greatest reality show for the universe at this moment in time?

59:22 We enjoy it, yes.

59:25 You're a subscriber, you watch us? Yes. From the point of view of, well, there's two things. From the point of view of others watching us from around the universe in this three-dimensional, five-dimensional, the material world, I'm assuming that we're a pretty good show. But from your point of view, angelic, the other sides, other souls watching what's going on right now, what is the feeling behind it? Is there a feeling behind it? How does it work for you guys?

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1:00:09 We're keen observers.

1:00:11 Mm-hmm.

1:00:13 But understand this, there's only love. Mm-hmm. And we see the evolution of consciousness that is being lived through you, by you, as you. Understand, we have no bodies.

1:00:28 Mm-hmm.

1:00:30 We know the human experience through you in this keen observation. And here, as a window to your soul in the sense of bringing forth the opportunity for you to see yourselves as we see you in that solid state of unconditional love.

1:00:55 Is it the equivalent of a parent looking at a child? Yes. And knowing what that child is capable of, but they don't believe it themselves?

1:01:03 And have to live into it, to the awareness of that within themselves, yes.

1:01:11 Theo, what does it look like for us in the next five to ten years? Because so many people are fearful and afraid of where the world is going and all of this. Can you give us some insight to where we're going to be in the next five, 10, 20 years from now.

1:01:26 Don't think about it. What we mean by that, you're not living. If you're worrying about that many years ahead, you're not in the present existence of your life. And worrying is praying for what you don't want. And if you're too far into the past in regret, you're not living the moment either.

1:01:51 Hmm.

1:01:53 So what is happening to you in the present? How far have you come? Look how you've grown. Embrace with gratitude and be proud of yourselves of the movement that is occurring. Know that you are creating the five years futuristically and the 10 years you are the creator. So what do you want in your five years or your 10 years? What do you envision for you? Yes, the world is evolving in a reflection of that.

1:02:29 Can you explain to people the concept of our multiple timelines that we are living in that we can choose? I've been told that I can choose a timeline that is much more prosperous and beautiful and energetic as opposed to the more chaotic timelines. And I'm not talking about the multiverse or anything like that. I'm talking about just within this reality. how I can choose to live. Because right now, as we sit, Sheila and I are in a room that's fairly safe. There's not bombs going off around us. We are living a very different reality than people in a war zone right now. How can we navigate those timeline shifts? And can you explain it in a way that we can understand?

1:03:14 We all try.

1:03:14 Thank you.

1:03:17 So it's all a matter of.

1:03:22 Choice. And beliefs.

1:03:28 If you believe that you can be in that timeline of abundance that you were speaking about, in a comfortable life, and you can let it in, you will have that. The resistance that is felt is a belief that you're not worthy of the life you'd like to live or would love to live. And so you stay stuck or mired in those beliefs, and beliefs can be changed. The situation, circumstances, and conditions where those beliefs were created or adopted out of the circumstance that one may feel victimized by, with the change of thought to perceive the gifts and blessings that has grown in you to be the person you are today. Rather than being the victim of circumstance, how's it grown you? Who are you today because of it?

1:04:31 As you become familiar with the growth cycles, you begin to perceive that you can embrace opportunities and change and growth and not fear them. And resistance is fear-based, isn't it?

1:04:48 Hmm.

1:04:49 What if something bad will happen? Well, when you began and you lived in caves, that served a purpose, didn't it? Because if you came out the cave door entry, there could be a tiger there to eat you.

1:05:10 Yes?

1:05:12 That's not the case today. Typically. Typically. But there's still that belief, something bad will happen. The tiger's there to eat me. And so what if something bad will happen has been prominent in thoughts instead of what if something good will happen. It's a change of perception, you see. A change of belief and thought of deservability that the good would happen for you. And you have the creative power to do so. So look for the evidence where you knew something great was going to happen. You didn't know how, but you just knew it. And you moved in the direction of that outcome. And it all worked out.

1:06:03 You all have evidence in your life, large or small, that that's been true. Build that evidence. Trust that knowing.

1:06:13 Theo, for someone who's watching this right now and is struggling with incorporating a lot of these ideas that you're speaking of right now that conflict with their own programming that they have been dealt with or the story that they have told themselves and agreed to as a structure for their own existence and reality, what advice do you have for them on how to deal with that conflict within them to figure out if you're basically deconstructing a story or a foundational belief system to open yourself up to a new one. And that's a very scary place to be for most people.

1:06:49 Some will and some won't.

1:06:50 Okay.

1:06:52 When things become intolerable enough.

1:06:55 People change. Is that what we're doing right now in the world? Yes.

1:07:00 Individually and collectively. But also, there are those that seek that and know there's something better. And are willing to to change those beliefs, to see there could be the better. However, the ones that stay in the victimized story, some may stay in that story for a lifetime because they're getting much more out of being there than they feel they would by changing. The alternative of changing that belief system is far more frightening than being in it.

1:07:55 Until it gets unbearable.

1:07:56 Until it's intolerable, yes. But some never think it's intolerable because of the benefits they feel they're getting from it.

1:08:05 It's like being in a bad relationship. Yes. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't, essentially.

1:08:11 Familiar.

1:08:13 Familiar. Theo, and finally, do you have any parting messages that the audience that's listening right now, no matter what time they're listening to this and what time of history, need to hear?

1:08:26 If you could see yourselves as we see you, there would be no discontent. And you would move in the direction of this shift and change that is now to realize the unconditional love self. It will change the trajectory of your lives.

1:08:47 Before we go, Theo, one other question. How can we learn to love ourselves more?

1:08:52 Knowing where the beliefs of not being lovable began in changing that belief. And you have the ability within and the power of that. For the greater fears that have developed those belief systems, the fear of abandonment, shame, these beliefs can change. and not hold power over you by understanding where they've come from and the willingness to see the gifts and blessings of the beliefs that have grown you and changing those with love.

1:09:37 Theo, thank you so much for being here and I appreciate everything that you've been doing with Sheila for the last 50 odd years.

1:09:44 We are appreciative of the opportunity to serve. God's love unto you. Good day.

1:09:51 Good day. And she's back. How are you? A little loopy still?

1:09:58 Just for a minute.

1:09:59 Just for a minute or so. We shouldn't have you drive heavy machinery at the moment. No. That was a powerful conversation. For people who don't know, you remember kind of, right?

1:10:12 It's hazy. Dreamlike. Yeah, I don't remember everything. But if you would talk to me about it, it would be like, oh, yeah, I know that. It's more those little pieces click in.

1:10:24 Yeah, I started off with the Jesus conversation.

1:10:28 Oh, yeah?

1:10:29 Yeah, it was a Jesus. I was like, oh, yeah, what did I say?

1:10:31 What did they say? I have to watch. I have to listen.

1:10:35 No, it was about talking about Christ consciousness, the Christo consciousness. Oh, yeah. And what they were going through there and how it mirrors what we're going through now, obviously in a very different capacity. But the seeds were there. And they talked about the avatars and the masters who walked prior and what they're here to do and all of that. And what's happening now is a mirror at a much larger scale. Oh, yeah.

1:11:01 Much larger scale.

1:11:02 Well, we can, you know, if we look at history, you know, we can see the repetitions. Of all of that going on.

1:11:14 I'm a history buff, so I love studying histories and different figures, religious and military and civilizations and Rome and all that stuff. I love studying all of that kind of stuff. And it's fascinating to watch the human drama unfold again and again in very, very similar ways. Very similar ways. But the funny thing is that throughout history, no matter what time, They're in. They think they got to figure it out. Oh, yeah. And they think this will never end. The good times will always roll. Rome will never fall. Rome will never fall.

1:11:51 Yeah.

1:11:52 And then you start thinking like, well, the U.S. could never fall. Right? I'm sure Russia thought that. Up until 1991. Yeah. Up until 1991. You know? I'm not saying that the U.S. I think all the great empires... A British empire, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, all those empires, they ran the world for a minute, all of them. They're not gone. They're just different now.

1:12:22 Very different.

1:12:23 Very different. But they're still powerful and they can be, some of them, still have a lot of power within them, but they're not what they were.

1:12:33 But, you know, really the power is the people.

1:12:36 Always is.

1:12:38 And that's what we're bearing witness to is the people not cowering to the leaders. They're saying, no, we're not doing this anymore.

1:12:49 But they're also, I think, more informed than we've ever been as a species. Because not only are we more literate, but there's so much more. We have every piece of information at our disposal now.

1:13:04 That's why so many people are trying to manipulate it.

1:13:07 You read my mind. Yeah, these algorithms who are throwing people down rabbit holes, echo chambers of they believe that this is what the world thinks. You know, if they watch a certain network or a news organization, whether what side you're watching, you think that's just the way everyone is and everybody on the other side must be evil.

1:13:28 It's not the case. That's not the way humans are.

1:13:30 You know, Theo tells all of us that we have, a truth barometer inside of us. And the critical thinking, the asking, is that true, is so necessary right now. Instead of, to your word, going down the rabbit hole, it's just saying, go on the inner. Your soul knows what truth is. We know if I speak truth to you, I get a physical response. visceral experience of that. Or if you speak truth to me, I get the same visceral feeling. I get a chill up my spine or my, the hair on my arm stands up, but you know, goosebumps as people say, we call them God bumps, but we got.

1:14:21 That's true.

1:14:23 We all have that. That's been proven over our lifetimes.

1:14:28 Have you ever done the muscle test for truth and, and, and a lie? It's fascinating. You put your arm out.

1:14:36 Yeah.

1:14:36 You say the truth, it'll stand strong. If you lie, you can push it down with one finger. I've done that multiple times.

1:14:43 Well, your body is your receiver. Your body knows. And it's the same thing. Your body will tell you.

1:14:51 Yeah. Well, it's like anything. Like when you meet somebody and if you're in tuned, if they're lying to you, you can go.

1:14:59 Yeah.

1:14:59 You feel something's off.

1:15:01 Oh, yeah.

1:15:02 You can just sense it.

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1:15:15 But somehow we've lost that critical thinking, that critical feeling, and just give our power away to somebody else's opinion. And I think that's what's going to be changing now because it's gotten so crazy.

1:15:31 I'm really curious to see what 50 years from now what that generation is going to look back on this one. And like, you know, my generation has no proof that of anything we did in the eighties and the nineties, there is no internet. There is barely any photos, uh, your generation, even worse, like less than anything. So, but this generation, everything is out there. Everything is being filmed all of it all the time. And it's posted for public consumption. So I'm curious what, the future will think of this time period and what that generate when that generation, when the generation, the kids today are your age and they're looking back and their grandkids are looking at them partying and doing all that kind of stuff and being

1:16:22 a fool or doing a tick tock dance or, and they'll go, why did you do that?

1:16:27 Well, the same thing with what did you do to, to help change things, you know.

1:16:34 Because that TikTok dance didn't help.

1:16:36 No, no. But, you know, to your point of going down rabbit holes and believing things in conspiratorial ways and, you know, when all this chaos was happening, grandchildren going, well, where were you? What did you do? I mean, because they'll ask.

1:16:58 Oh, my kids already asked, like, when certain things happened and, like, Were you there in 9-11? Like what were you doing during that? Oh, yeah. All that kind of– yeah, they ask because you were alive back then. And you're like, oh, yeah, I was doing this or I was doing that. When the Challenger, because of all the spaceship that just went to the moon and everything, where were you in the Challenger?

1:17:20 I'm like, oh, I was in sixth grade. I was in the library.

1:17:22 I was in front of the TV watching it. It was horrific.

1:17:26 And I was in sixth grade. I'll never forget it. I was rolled into the library, sixth grade.

1:17:30 It's those things, those monumental things. I mean, I remember when John Kennedy was shot. I saw it on TV.

1:17:37 I remember where I was when Diana died. That was another cultural moment. The entire world stopped.

1:17:42 So those big historical things we have records of that we, I mean, we only had stories of.

1:17:51 Of Christ and Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan and stuff. Yeah.

1:17:55 But to your point, now everything's recorded.

1:17:58 Yeah. I mean, Kennedy, there's obviously footage of that. Yeah.

1:18:03 And that began back then.

1:18:05 Really, yeah.

1:18:06 Yeah, in its infancy.

1:18:08 It started to, yeah. It started to. It's pretty fascinating, this whole journey. But you said something about conspiracy theories, which I find fascinating, is that, you know, As a storyteller, I like a good conspiracy theory. I think they're wonderful to watch and listen to and think about. But the crazy thing is a lot of things that were conspiracy theories have become true and have come out, which is like, wow.

1:18:38 That's where the truth barometer is important.

1:18:41 Right. Because you're like, you can't now automatic, well, not all conspiracy theories. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. But there are things that were talked about. They're like, oh, yeah, this or that. And, you know, I won't say the names, but there's things that have been going on in the news that are like, I can't believe that that's really, it was true.

1:19:00 Well, I had that on my own experience with Watergate.

1:19:03 Right. Perfect example.

1:19:05 You know, if I had told people about that.

1:19:07 You would have been locked up.

1:19:09 Yeah. But if I had done it now, it would become a conspiratorial thing.

1:19:13 Oh, yeah. You would have a YouTube channel.

1:19:15 Yeah. But, you know, it was true. Yeah.

1:19:21 It's pretty fascinating.

1:19:22 But it was inconceivable.

1:19:25 Back then.

1:19:26 In my mind. You know, I was young. I was in my 20s, and it was– You know, no, the president wouldn't do that. You know, I just was naive also.

1:19:41 Listen, when I, when I started this show and Connie, my spiritual teacher told me what was, she told me this. She told me you would have millions of people who are waiting and watching you. And I'm like, you're out of your, I couldn't grasp it. And now I sit here and I'm like, wow, that, but I understand that because that's, Not Watergate, but within my own life.

1:20:04 Well, with Theo telling me that I'd be here.

1:20:08 You were like, get out of here. Who? Who? What? Alex Ferrari, are you sure? I don't think he said my name, but I get that. On this date, on this time, this is when you're going to meet him. He's going to have this. It wasn't that, but you said in general. Yeah.

1:20:25 You would be doing this.

1:20:26 So people understand that Theo's not going, you're going to go on this show on this date and this time. That's not the way Theo works. I was joking. I know. No, but some people will take it seriously. Oh, I know they will.

1:20:37 I know them. You know, everybody thinks Theo's so serious. I've always thought they were really funny because it's a dry humor.

1:20:46 They're British.

1:20:49 But you know what they told us and our team one day when– We were asking them, could you lighten it up a little bit?

1:21:01 Pretty intense.

1:21:01 And they said, we're working on our humor. And so now sometimes they'll make a statement and they'll go, that was humorous.

1:21:16 It just takes me back to that scene in Borat when he's going to the comedy teacher to teach him what comedy is. if you're trying to teach what comedy is, you probably are not funny. You can learn techniques, you can learn a couple things, but structure of a joke, things like that, but funny comes from here.

1:21:36 I know, I know. They're getting better at it.

1:21:39 No, I find them interesting. When I speak to them, and we'll talk about what we've been doing in the last days while you've been here, I've been speaking a lot to Theo lately.

1:21:49 Yeah, yeah.

1:21:52 I find that they have this underlining energy to them. There is a humor to it, but you've got to be really fine-tuned.

1:22:00 You have to listen for it.

1:22:01 You've got to listen to it very carefully. But even in our conversation with them in this episode today, there was a slight, not snark, but there was a nice little lovely lightning. It was like, well, yes, I know that.

1:22:17 I know that too.

1:22:18 That energy there. So it's not so stoic as they were.

1:22:22 Marcus asked them one time, well, how do you say us? What do you think of us? And they say, we think you're very humorous or something like that. They view us like, ah, here they go again.

1:22:39 Well, we were joking earlier, and I asked Theo about what is the universe? Are we like the best reality show in the universe? Yeah. And they're like, yes, we are great observers of yours. And then I joked, I'm like, I didn't say it then, but we spoke about it too. It's like, well, yeah, with the Real Housewives of Earth.

1:22:58 We're the most dramatic show in the universe at the moment. And everyone, we're top rated. I mean, everybody's watching us. But who's watching? Ah, that's the question. But that's for another show, another time.

1:23:12 Maybe that's about sure.

1:23:13 That is definitely a Daryl Bashar question is to ask that because he will definitely answer. No question. So you've been here for a few days now with us, and we've been working on this amazing mastery course together called The Awakening Code, where Theo is that basically Theo is the teacher. I mean, you come in and you give some of your insights, but Theo just comes in and really organized way to discuss what is happening how we can incorporate into our lives, explaining different things about awakening, about this fifth dimension that they've been talking about for years.

1:23:54 Can you talk a little bit about the course from your perspective and what we've been doing together and how important it truly is right now for people?

1:24:03 You know, we all want to know how to. How do we make these changes? And Theo kind of lays it out how we individually can apply Their teachings can apply the process, if you would, to make our own changes. Because as they have told us, that the chaos in the world is only a reflection of the chaos within us.

1:24:33 That if we come into that soul-centeredness, a centered in soul-ness, that we'll have peace on the planet. Peace within, peace without. So they give us a how-to.

1:24:48 It is very powerful. Yeah. It's very, very powerful. And being in the room with that much Theo for that long was draining for me.

1:24:59 Got hot, didn't it?

1:25:00 Well, we're in Texas, so there's that. But generally, though, I've never sat in a room with Theo for eight hours. and he's channeling or they're channeling most of the time, you're just like, yeah, whatever. You're good because you've been doing this for a minute, but I started to get towards the end, I was just like, why am I so tired?

1:25:23 I know that when we do our teachings and our mentorships and we'll do a two-day or three-day retreat.

1:25:32 People are just wiped.

1:25:33 They're wiped, but they don't realize it until the end. Right.

1:25:37 At the end of the day, it's like, God, I'm exhausted. Why am I so tired? Self-care.

1:25:43 But because you're taking in that energy, but you're also learning and your mind is working the whole time.

1:25:51 You're burning a lot of calories. It's a good workout.

1:25:54 Yeah, it's a good workout. It's so subtle. People don't realize it. And then all of a sudden it hits you.

1:26:01 So in this course, though, in this mastery course, this is not just information. It's a transmission of energy. Yes, absolutely. That comes through. People have felt it. I felt it on certain episodes of shows, like even on Zoom. I felt transmissions hitting me, and you could just see me literally just like– and then the second they stop, I'm like, what the hell is happening? So it does happen through technology. Oh, absolutely.

1:26:28 We do most of our teaching, I would say probably 99%. on zoom because it's global we have a global community and they feel it and they absolutely feel it.

1:26:42 And we also put together as a a nice little treat for everybody a free master class called the new human blueprint that talks a lot about what we discussed and what we teach and when i say we you teach and the of each uh in and the um in the awakening code as well If people want to check that out, it's in the link below. There should be a link coming up on the screen right now.

1:27:06 But there's also a link in the description below as well if you guys want to check that out. And it's wonderful. That was a wonderful experience doing that masterclass with you. And Theo's in there as well, dropping knowledge bombs left and right. Yeah.

1:27:20 Now that's what we're here to do, right?

1:27:22 So I'm going to ask you a couple of questions before we leave, Sheila. What gives you genuine hope about where humanity is heading?

1:27:30 Seeing the changes that everybody's making, just bearing witness to the opening that people are having. It's just such evidence of what I was told and where we're going. And it's an amazing experience of change that we're all a part of. And I just, like I say, I'm really optimistic about where we're going. As am I. And if we can just be present in the moments of this experience, we can get exhilarated by it. I think that when we get into fear, we get into the future too far, that what if something bad's going to happen? Well, we're creating that if we keep that thought. And so.

1:28:26 I try to stay in the mindset of something great's happening right now. And look for that. I do. I look for that.

1:28:34 What can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

1:28:39 They can go to asktheo.com we have everything there.

1:28:43 Yeah you have some amazing courses and programs and everything.

1:28:46 We also if if people go there and they sign up to our mail list we have a gift for them we have a theo guided meditation that they will enjoy, and they're very powerful. We do guided meditations with Theo, and they're very specific to the topic of the meditation and the words that they use, and it just changes you profoundly.

1:29:15 That's beautiful. And finally, last question. If someone is listening right now and is feeling lost, what would Theo say to them?

1:29:24 Feeling lost.

1:29:27 Is.

1:29:28 Just a sense of not feeling your own power. So it's not the adult that's lost. It's a little aspect of the self that has that feeling of not being seen, heard, or loved. Who is that inside of you that the adult can love? Let them know that they're loved, desired, and they're not alone. That you, the adult, is there.

1:29:57 with them and you're doing life together.

1:30:00 Beautifully said. Sheila, it's always a pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much for coming down to Next Level Soul Studios. Thank you for collaborating with us on the mastery course that we put together. And I hope that helps a lot of people as well as this conversation around the world. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken the planet.

1:30:18 Thank you. And I appreciate you that you're having these moments and these teachers come in. And this is all a part of our going to the next level.

1:30:30 You owe me 15 cents for that. Thank you, my dear. Appreciate you.

1:30:35 You're welcome.

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