Hidden Realm That Shapes Our Fates with Peter Smith

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1:17 and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, Its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now, let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome to the show Peter Smith. Hey do, Peter.

1:33 I'm really good. Alex. It's good to say it.

1:35 Good to see you too, my friend. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm I'm looking forward to our conversation. We're here to talk about your book Quantum Consciousness. We're going to get into the weeds of this thing called consciousness that's been That word is thrown around a lot, and quantum consciousness is even thrown around more nowadays. But also a little bit. I want to get started with the work that you were doing with a little known guy named doctor Mike Newton. Was it mister Newton's work in Lives between Lives, which is a fascinating concept. Anytime I talk to a channeler or I talked to a near death experiencer, I always go, so what do we do when we're not here? Are we at a bar somewhere on the other side? Are we

2:20 sitting down. I mean, the concerts must be amazing up there. I mean, the musicians who have died. I mean, come on, I mean, so what are we doing? So can you first discuss your work with doctor Michael Newton?

2:33 Yeah, Well, Michael Newton was the first guy that thoroughly mapped the afterlife. And for him, he had a couple of accidental sessions with clients as a psychologist. They flipped up into other lifetimes and you know, one person went in between looking for the source of her depression and she reunited with a soul group. So he said, well, what's in between these incarnations? If we accept the fact that reincarnation is a phenomenon, what happens in between those?

3:04 And we'd seen it as a sort of a misty, sort of Bardough type area. Of course, mediums and all sorts of people had been you know, getting snippets of the afterlife, talking to people, bringing through messages for you know, a long term. So he took people to the end of a past life, he crossed them over, he followed them in through the front door, through a life review.

3:26 How do I go in that lifetime? Et cetera, et cetera. And then they went into this nebulous sort of now time, which was outside of any of the incarnations, and as they run in linear time, he moved into the space in between, so he had a sweeping view across the lineage of the soul and he can say to them, how many lifetimes you've had where that happened, and more importantly, how are you setting up this next one that you're going into?

3:54 So how did he do How did he do that? How did he do that?

3:57 Well? He did it through a deep and profound hit not entrance, but for me, having been in that work for twenty years now, I see it more as an out of body experience remembered while still in body. Okay, okay, So he crossed them over into the afterlife, and we're quantumly entangled, if you like, with the soul energy of who we are that transcends time and space. So our soul is here. But Michael Newton found that part of the soul remains there still in the afterlife, so he bridged that gap so that we connected with that soul energy and you could sort of have a look around and see what was going on on the other side and what your role over there is.

4:39 When you see, he mapped out the afterlife. What is exactly the map? It's a fairly large question, but I mean, what is it? I mean, I mean, I mean, anyone who's listened to the show knows. I've spoken to over one hundred near death experiences, so many channel psychic medium so on and so forth. I have an idea from just the massive amount of people and masters I've spoken to what the afterlife is kind of like. But it's still pretty patchy even after all the research I've done.

5:10 So from his experience and from your experience doing this work, can you give us kind of a little bit more of the lee of the land if you will.

5:17 Happy too, Alex. And let me tell you where I'm coming from on that as well, because Michael did this seven thousand times. Wow, that was the client base before he started to publish his books Journey of Souls Destiny of Souls back in the nineties. So he's found that. And let me say as well that members of the Michael Newton Institute have reproduced his body of research ten times over.

5:40 Now, okay, so with.

5:43 Two hundred people around the world in different countries and languages, the model is still pretty much the same, but there are some shifts in the research, and we can talk a little bit about that too if you want.

5:52 Sure, Yeah, absolutely, But he.

5:54 Found that when you go through this, you leave the body somehow your soul knows the way your eyes up out of the body, you drift back towards this other dimension that is the afterlife, and he found that you would usually sort of debrief that life, either in the company of a spiritual guide somebody like that. They'd help you to understand and glean the learnings from that life.

6:20 You then move through. You might speak to a spiritual council. You might do certain activities in between life that might be a creation of energy, or some people work to progress planets and help to design them. Some people work in different classes in a learning type environment, and whilst you might learn the theory there, you come back into an incarnation to do the practical exercises of how that looks in real life in three D. So spiritual councils would normally form a number of people around sort of a semicircle table, and they'd be offering advice and understanding.

7:04 Usually souls have a certain color and frequency to their vibration there as well, that's always great to ask. But most importantly was the question I loved it to ask Alex, and that was have you ever incarnated on another planet or in another dimension? And some of the stories that came out of that question were just phenomenal, you know, stories of water worlds, stories of being an energetic type, being in an energy environment, you know, even being different types of animals that we don't have here, or different type of plant life. And someone told me that they were a rock on another planet just so they could learn stillness. But all of this is really how we set up the learning through each lifetimes that we take.

7:51 I think we could barely wrap our heads around just incarnations on Earth. If you start to jump around the universe, it's hard for people to even I don't think we're there yet most people, I'd say most people. Yeah, It's it's a difficult thing to kind of wrap your head around. So when when someone passes over and they're they've gone through their life review, we've learned our lessons, what's the next step do they is there? Do they go to their quote unquote house on the other side, or the world that they've designed on the others, their condo on the heavenly condo from I understand, you create whatever heaven you want on the other side. So do they go to that place rest for a while. Maybe, But there's

8:38 no time on the other side. So how does that make sense? You know, there's so many it's hard. It's hard to wrap our head, our little heads around this stuff.

8:46 Look it is and to understand the concept of now time when we live in a linear construct is difficult. And the more of this work I've done over the years, the more I've come to understand that time is a linear construct for a life, and that it's far more fluid than we know it to be. And you know, people like Einstein were always talking about the fluidity of time.

9:10 But when we get over onto the other side, this sweeping view across the lineage of our soul, and we're both this persona but beyond this persona. And we have people that sit in the chair and they'll go back. We have a particular methodology that we use that starts with linear time. We go back. You've got a client that starts in the chair, then they become a past life persona of you know, they might be Native American, Ancient Greece, any of that sort of stuff, and they may speak a little bit differently, influenced by the environment in which they live in that body. Then they cross over and they're in this other place and they change into their soul consciousness, which is another voice again often

9:54 with another name or so, who am I speaking with now? And they may say Anetha or something like that. That's some sort of a name that's quite different. But from that they you know that quite will normally come with a list of questions what they want to know from the other side, and a lot of it's around relationships.

10:11 You know, who do I incarnate with regularly? And they'll say, someone will come forward and they'll recognize them in their soul form, but it will be maybe their sister or their husband or whoever it might be from this lifetime and they recognize them through their soul energy.

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10:39 And so you can start to ask some questions, how many lifetimes have you hung out together? Well, you know, we've incarnated fifty times now together because we just love learning together and we've played different roles and sometimes I've been the sister, sometimes I've been the mother sometimes the father, and this dynamic that they've formed often takes multiple angles across multiple lives to round out the learning at the soul level.

11:05 Now, this concept of there is no technically past lives or no technical future lives, that all lives are happening now very difficult for you to wrap your head around. Do you have any clarification around that idea, because again we're coming from a linear timeline based reality, so we have to say past lives just by the nature of the concept of like, oh, ancient Egypt, Well, that's in our reality a past life, but really it's going on right now.

11:39 Yeah, exactly. Those bit of advice I open people that ask me that, I say, well, don't wrap your head around it, because it's not going to fit fair enough. And there's something about how we're cultured and in society alex to run with linear typ and to exist within linear time and for that to be the construct through which we exist. But when we move outside of that time, you know, everyone sort of has had some sort of time slippage here or there along the way where time has either gone longer or it's gone shorter. It depends on what you're doing what's happening. Time, as I said before, is far more fluid than we know. If we take and you know, a quantum physicists will answer this question as well that way, and I'm certainly not one. But

12:30 what they'll do is they'll tell you that time is relative. Okay, so when we move into particularly long when you spend time with some of your relatives. But you know there's something about the now time that gave us the sweeping view. And this is where Michael's work was so incredible. Is it showed us the fluidity of time through the eyes of our soul and that we could see. Well, yeah, I would say to somebody how many you incarnated on Earth?

13:01 And that will say to me, I've had one hundred and eighty incarnations on this planet. I'll say, you know, what are the themes? So what I'd say to people who have a trouble offering that is to it can't be understood through the human intellect. The best way to understand it is to just experience it and to move outside of time and space yourself, similar to what you might do in meditation. It's a great question for some of the channels that you talk to as well give us your concept of time, and all of us came to the conclusion that it's more fluid than we know.

13:37 So best advice I can give people is just be open to the fact that it's not as locky as what we feel.

13:44 And the idea that time is relative that I think everyone as at one point or another, has felt this, that you go beyond time where when you're enjoying yourself, time flies. But when you're not enjoying yourself at the DMV, you know, where you get your license here in the States, time goes very slowly. Or you're doing jury duty here, time goes very slowly, generally speaking. But when you're enjoying yourself, time flies. I think we've all felt that. Or if you're an athlete or a creative or an artist, that time you're doing your art, that time you're in the flow state. That's another thing that people use that word a lot. Now, the flow state, time completely almost disappears.

14:29 And you know, I meditate a lot, and my meditation when I'm in meditation, when I'm in it deep, it will go like that and I'll come out of it. I'm like, was that an hour and a half? Like I didn't even feel it. Yeah, you transcend time, So there are glimpses of that. It's not easily turned on and off. Maybe better so within meditation, but these other aspects of things, it's difficult, but it is. It's it's really it's like you said, you can't wrap your head around it. It's very difficult to start wrapping your head around this stuff.

15:02 Absolutely. Well, let me reassure you that the d m V experience is actually a global phenomenon.

15:08 Okay, and what you mean you know there's no beautiful d m vs in Australia.

15:15 Well but I guess technically they're upside down, but they're still a long queue.

15:21 It's yeah, I guess that's a very universal truth. Being ful.

15:28 Yeah, absolutely. You know. I once had a client say to me, and you know what people love to hear is I'd love to hear client stories because it makes it real. Sure. And I did one of these life between life sessions for a guy once and we crossed over from a past laugh. He went into the afterlife. We met his soul group. You know, he had a conversation with some wise beings there. He talked about how he'd set up the life he was in now and what his intentions and purpose were for coming back this time, which is a real power of the work. And and he's, you know, I'm starting to bring him back out of spirit and back into his body and all that sort of stuff. And he's got this frown on his face and he says blah blah blah. An he came back

16:09 up and any sort of rare oriented and he looked at me and he said, I said, Uka, what's wrong. You look a bit troubled. And he said, why would you bring me back? After twenty minutes? I was just getting started, And I said, you've been down there two and a half hours.

16:24 Wow.

16:26 So yeah, it's Tom Slippitch is ro phenomen And.

16:31 Well, this is really interesting. I'm assuming you've heard the concept of the Mendela effect. Absolutely so from your point of view from the work you've done. And I talked about the Mendel effect on the show constantly because I find it fascinating because there are absolute things that I, you know, I remember and others remember and they like and will you ask perfect example, this is something very American.

16:56 But Ed McMahon, who was a comedian, I guess it's a comedian here who was on the Tonight Show. He was very well known for working with Publisher's Clearinghouse, which was basically you get a million dollar check, and he would go to people's doors and hand them a check with cameras and balloons, and it was a big thing.

17:14 It's the eight mostly eighties and nineties, and for a generation of people, Ed McMahon was publisher's clearinghouse. Well, if you go to Publisher's Clearinghouse and you asked them, they've said, I'm sorry. Ed McMahon has never worked for us, has never been part of us. And there's there's just like, there's just no way, and I'm not the only one.

17:35 There's so many people, and it goes on and on and on. Where do you think is happening because you said the word time slippage? What is happening to a large swath of the population that remember one thing and another large swap of population I remember something else.

17:52 You know, I've seen some of those stories about you know, the front of a cereal box now something spelled and all that sort of stuff.

17:59 I Jiffy the butter, Jiffy in a butter, yeah, that kind of stuff.

18:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, we had an incident just yesterday here in the car, my partner and I we're driving back home from having lunch, and my partner says, that hill wasn't there yesterday, Like one side of the road is raised up. I said, She said, do you remember that side of the road being raised up like about you know, ten feet above the other side of the road with this thing in the middle. I said, I don't really, so what's going on there? And you start to get into multiverse there, And that's about how we move into different realities from the decisions that we make.

18:37 There's splits in our timelines. We're continuing to unfold in different tracks and all of that, and some people remember one track and one people remember the other track. For me, this is about the thinning of the veil Alex and that all of those alternate realities used to be beautiful, beautifully divided, and our soul would go in a couple of different directions from a decision that we've made. And that's great because it's multiple learning at the soul level.

19:01 And this is another one you can't get your head around in human form, But for me, the same way the veil is thinning for the afterlife, which is why there's so many mediums now, so many people are channeling, so many people having past life flashes. That veil is getting thin. But I actually believe that the veil between the different realities is getting thinner as well. So we have different timelines bleeding into each other, and people are jumping between those timelines because of the thinness of that veil.

19:34 So when you jump a timeline. So let's say right now, we're having this conversation, and then I decided to ask one question this way and then in another I'm like, oh no, but let's go with this other. So we ask two different questions. So now there's two different versions of this conversation that are going to finish off how they're going to finish off. Are there two of me at that point? And if there is two of soul level or version of me in this multiverse idea, well is it with every decision? Because then it's an infinite amount of you in this incarnation. Let's not even talk about passes in future lives. Let's just talk about this incarnation.

20:16 Does it split off into literally an infinite infinite amount of versions of you learning at different levels? Did I marry Susie. Did I take that job with Bob? Did I go to school or decided to just smoke weed or like? Whatever the differences are? How many different versions are there is that kind of what's happening. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

20:47 I've got my own speculation on this because a lot of my work has been about blending the quantum physics with the spiritual side, and consciousness is the common language between the two, which is so powerful for me. I feel that some of these splits in the timeline doesn't happen with every tiny decision. And in the book I write about toast. Do I have jelly on my toast?

21:09 Do I have pin a butter on motast? Do I have vegimite on motes? Which is what we do a lot of down here? You know? Does that give me three different toast realities? My take is that our timeline will split into the different realities in collaboration with our soul, and if the soul can learn something from that other line, it will follow into the other reality. I don't necessarily run with the quantum physics component that every small thing I pick up my pen or put my pen down, creates all these different realities. I don't necessarily go with that because I think we're powered by a greater consciousness ourselves.

21:46 Even quantum physics is part of that beautiful soup of the all there is that is created by a power of which we're all part of, but is far greater than we believe ourselves to be human form. So I think there's a threshold of where these realities do continue to form because there are other paths of learning, and I think if something is another path of learning, yeah, absolutely, another reality. But I think tiny little small decisions. Now that's my tape.

22:13 I think your next book should be called The Toast Realities. Uh and and because it's such a fascinating idea, like, so you have three options for toast? Is it jelly, it's it butter? Said vis you might, Okay, well, does that really evolve your consciousness? Evolve your soul? And any three of those options. Now, if the jelly toast is hit by a comet, absolutely, you know. If there's an earthquake on the butter toast, oh absolutely, there's a there's absolutely you know, if you know, if there's something else that happens, an explosion happens that this, So those are not makes sense. But the toast itself is not something that is going to create a new reality. So it's going to be a little bit large. Sure, I like

23:01 the way you put it. It's not like it's large events. It's events that your soul can grow from. So that means that the soul is growing at such a rapid rate down here, more so than it does on the other side. Is it the equivalent of reading about how to beak and actually beaking or cooking?

23:20 Well, I'd call it a baking boot camp down here, okay, because it's such an intense experience with all of our human emotions and the vibrational frequencies that we have. And one of the things I've discovered, Alex, is that these realities are closer than we know. I mean, it's like we're just changing the dial on the radio and all of a sudden, it's the same box, but you're in a completely different frequency. And I found that many many years ago when I was doing past life work. You'd have to sometimes labor to get these people across into these other lifetimes. But with the realities, they seem so much closer due to the greater level of quantum entanglement we hold with those other versions of ourselves in this

24:03 type of body. So for me, yeah, they're right there and they're waiting to be discovered. And I think a lot of this goes back to the pre planning before we come here I mentioned before and Michael Newton's model of the spiritual universe that we set up a life before we come I think we actually set up some of these decision points as Okay, I'm going to get to that decision point in my life. It's pre set.

24:30 I'll end there, I'll go in different directions, and the sole follows in both. I've had people say to me over the years, I always knew my dad was going to die when I was young, or I always knew there'd be a big car accident in my life that would change my life. I've been seeing flashes of things, and that's from the pre cog. That comes from the pre sole planning before we arrive.

24:51 That's a really interesting concept because I've never really heard it presented that way before the pre cog. I mean we've now, I mean, if you've seen the pre a Minority report, I'm a movie guy, So I always use movies as a reference, or if you use them, a great movie. But the precog idea where you know the future before it happens, well, there's elements of that in our lives all the time, like you pick up the phone and you know who it is before it rings, or stuff like that kind of happens. But having large pre cog ideas or events that are almost haunting you or that you have a gut feeling about, is really really interesting. I mean, have you met with a lot of clients who had those kind of things happened, that

25:35 they felt those kind of things.

25:38 There's this little thing called soul sapag.

25:41 Well what's that. I've never heard that before.

25:46 Well, the soul's always they sure. I mean the hardware in the software, we're a complete unit, you know, and the souls the software. And let me say that how much the soul loves us to Alex, because it's really important to remember that the soul to be us. Your soul shows you head of eight billion other options on this planet and you're the only one that would do okay.

26:09 So I believe that's the greatest act of unconditioned to love that we will ever experience. Okay, so that's how much our soul loves us and our soul steers us. So some of this soul seepage are these funny little bits of influence that move their way through into our life, and they give us those moments of blissful insight when we either we know we're on track, or something happens that goes beyond coincidence, like Carl Jung's theory of synchronicity, something that doesn't make sense but still happens. And I remember when I first found Journey of Souls, Michael Newton's first book. I was a young hypnotherapist looking for a gift for friends, to it in front of a Border's bookshop.

26:53 If you remember Borders, They're gone there. Yeah, I stood there and I stepped forward, but eyes shut, and I pulled the book off the shelf and it was Journey of Solt It was book. And when I read the back of that, something happened inside of me that felt like an earthquake had happened in Borders bookstore. And I look around them. Everyone else is just reading books or drinking coffee or doing the stuff. But people used to do it borders, and so it was one of those moments that was a soul seevage, that was my soul saying, this is an important moment. Don't lose the energy of what's just happened. And the rest was history. And I went and learned the work, got to work with Michael Leddy's organization for ten years, and that was because it

27:35 was one of those quintessential spiritual moments of truth.

27:39 You know, it's really interesting thinking about that kind of scenario in my life where I didn't come from a movie family. I was far away from Hollywood as almost you can be in South Florida. And it was the eighties, so leave eighties, not a lot of information about movies, movie maker, all that stuff. Now it out it's everybody.

28:02 Everybody knows how to make movies. It's all. It's everywhere you can YouTube everything. Back then it wasn't so it wasn't even considered a career. But yet I was looking for a part time job, and the job I chose was a video store. Oddly enough, it wasn't like I was, Oh, I need to work, It was, oh, this might be cool.

28:21 And then my grandfather gifted me a video camera, a little high eight old school video camera which I started to play around with, and I'm like, hmm, and then that it just it's just so fascinating how those things just started to guide me in the in the direction of this insane idea of becoming a filmmaker in a time where that wasn't even the thing, let alone for my Latino family, who looked at me like, are you crazy?

28:48 What do you want? That's what? Are you gonna be Spielberg, That's not gonna make it. This makes no sense. So it was it's fascinating that those there are moments like that. There are books like that that happened. Autobiography of a Yogi is one of those books. For me. When I was given that book, it was just like I've had books that almost vibrate when I had hooked them up.

29:06 They just they're like the information is so important to my evolution in this life that after I read that book, I was a changed person, like completely changed. And there are a handful of those books that were gifted to me, or at least recommended to me, that change your whole perception. So as we were talking about alternative realities, I'm like, well, there's there. Then there's an all a reality where I didn't start to show yeah and that, and I don't know where that reality would go. I wouldn't be happy about that reality. I don't want to go there. I don't want to be in that in reality. But I wonder what would have happened. You know, what would have happened if I didn't get that job at the video store?

29:47 You know what if my grandfa hadn't given me a video camera? Like, what would have happened to my life? Where would I be? What interest would have been pulled towards? It's pretty it's pretty pretty fascinating. You start thinking about the what ifs, and then not only the what ifs, so what oh if I would have dated her, if I would have gotten that job, but then thinking, oh wait a minute, there is a version of me going down that road. What is that?

30:15 Like?

30:16 What is That's that Alex or that Peter dealing with? Like, yeah, it starts to really hurt your a lot. Don't you start thinking that much about it. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

30:39 Well, one thing I said about those books that Bob Wright as well, is that books come through authors and not from authors.

30:46 Read one hundred percent.

30:48 And I remember the Quantum Consciousness book, the Celeste Kelly book, the bus two I've written. I remember going back and rewriting what I've done and saying, hey, this this is some this sounds pretty.

31:00 Good running I did. I say that all the time, like, who wrote this? This is fantastic.

31:07 So so it's like the messages are permeated with these frequencies that people made. Yeah, I mean the beautiful frequencies coming through from other places.

31:19 Oh, I mean Autobiography of a Yogi is one of those books. And yeah, that those words are still vibrating after years decades after his passing. And many I mean from the Vedic texts to I mean so many ancient wisdom I mean the talte cheg and so on. It is pretty pretty fascinating, the whole concept of the multiverse.

31:45 Do you think now that the that there's so much talk about the multiverse and parallel realities, These are concepts are being tossed around fairly in the zeitgeist in popular culture now, where ten years ago the multiverse was really on the fringe, either science or sci fi comic books. You know, the geeks this isn't read comic books like myself.

32:12 We're discovering the multiverse idea. But now people are talking about this conversation like we're really having deep conversations about parallel realities, parallel the multiverse, all that kind of stuff. Do you think it's why do you think that's happening now and not fifty years ago?

32:31 My take is it's the evolution of consciousness, Alex. We're ready to know that we are multi dimensional beings living in a multiverse. And some of the work that we've been doing is we've been we've been connecting with some of these other versions of ourselves because the quantum entanglement is so high that we can have conversations with these others.

32:53 And I've been training guys to do that for a number of years. Now. As you go to a decision, you wonder what would have happened any other direction, And we take them out of their body and we go to a meeting place where they can talk to that other version of themselves with the full and complete intention of raising the vibration of both because when we can swap intel, share wisdom, offer advice, do healing, whatever it might be that raises the vibration of our multidimensional self times two and even to offer information to get gratitude back.

33:26 That's a beautiful exchange.

33:28 Can you explain the concept of quantum entanglement just a little bit to people who don't understand what that is, because it's a very important concept from quantum physics that the spiritual space is really grabbing a hold of, because it just really reinforces the concept that we are all connected.

33:46 Yeah. Absolutely, Well Einstein called it spooky action at a distance, but that wasn't all that helpful. Yeah, but make quantum entanglement is the personal experience of everything being connected. And it's like that example you mentioned before, Alex. You know who's ringing when the phone goes, so you know it's going to be And for us, there's the concept that once too particles have a relationship, they can never be disengaged, even though they might be light years away from each other.

34:23 And it's like the connectivity with the people that we're close to is always there. I've had people say to me, you know, I knew the moment my dad died, you know, and I knew the moment that this happened or that happened it's because we are connected, and when we move into this ocean of consciousness that connects us all, we can feel the sensations and trust our intuition to know things that we wouldn't know otherwise. So for me, it's about personal connectivity into this whole tapestry of all there is.

34:57 And it takes many different forms, large and small.

35:00 But this but quantum entanglement alone, just that one concepting quantum physics throws materialism and space and time out the window. Essentially, it does so by doing that, I'm assuming there's been some pushback from the physics community.

35:16 Well, I didn't talk to those guys really much. Have a couple of chats with a couple of quantum physicists over the years, and some of them are really interesting in consciousness.

35:27 Yeah, absolutely, it's it's it's interesting how these two worlds are starting to combine more and more and more. Let me ask you, what do you what do you think our understanding of consciousness is being impacted by this idea of this parallel realities and multiverse.

35:45 I think we're slowly discovering the consciousness is bigger than we thought. Alex, you know what is consciousness? You know I think everything is consciousness, but there's an infrastructure behind it as well. And people say to me, you know, what is consciousness that I answer it in a way that says that, well, the universe's energy. Everything's made up of energy. That's the infrastructure of the entire universe. And a breaking master will tell you that, our quantum physicist will tell you that is that everything is energy. But then there's a layer on that energy that is like consciousness, and that's what brings that infrastructure to life. And we are walking examples of that life because we are consciousness.

36:29 We are all connected to everything and everyone on that infrastructure of energy, and then we surf our way through that through our awareness. So we would put our focus where it's called our observer effect, called whatever you want to where we put our focus, that is where it takes us in the experience of that consciousness on that infrastructure of energy. So I mean, this gets complicated, So I'll try to use an analogy. If you look at the ocean, okay, and the ocean floor is the infrastructure of energy. The water in the ocean is consciousness because it flows everywhere and it's all connected, and our awareness of the sea creatures that move through that ocean of consciousness support above the sea floor to have the experiences

37:19 that they have.

37:20 From my experiences talking to near deaths, and I'm assuming from yours as well, from talking to life between life regressions on the other side, there is no time or space, so things happen instantly. You think it, you're there. It's an instant scenario that I'm assuming more of a what quantum entanglement is at the highest level, where down here it's as much as we can make it work in the three dimensional space, in the material space. Is that a fair statement.

37:59 Yeah, I think that's it's a great statement. The instantaneous manipulation of energy is a real characteristic of the spiritual realm and beyond. And I think a lot of the things, the experiences that we have on the other side are almost metaphoric because we need to be able to integrate them. And this is back to my comment before about how human consciousness is at a stage where we're able to understand our multi dimensional realities while still in three D.

38:26 This is a big shift for the evolution of consciousness because more advanced races that are out there apparently express and live and know their multidimensional nature of being. We're moving towards that as part of our own evolution. But yeah, when we're out of our body and we're not restricted by three D, we are limitless. We can do anything that we want. It's a beautiful thing. But those experiences still need to be integrated here so that the awareness increases.

38:54 So some of the things over there are a little metaphoric meeting in a garden with your spiritual god or going to a temple, that sort of stuff. You know, did someone build a temple over there? Well, now it's a construct for learning that we bring back into here in a way that we can integrate it.

39:11 Well, I mean, if you look at what like the eternal Saint Baba Gee from the Yogananda's book, who's apparently still alive, been a live for about twenty five hundred years or more here helping humanity. In the book, he creates a crystal castle instantly out of his own will. He's at a whole other level. Let's just throw it there.

39:34 He's neo for lack of a better word, He's neo in the matrix. He understands the code and can manipulate it. However, he likes. But that is also how a lot of these spiritual masters who've walked the earth, either ascended masters or walking masters, have understood our construct this simulated reality that we're in at such a high level that, for lack of a better word, they understand the code, and because you understand the code of it, they can manipulate the code. Hence yogic powers, miracles, you know, things like that, what looks to us as miracles is just a manipulation of reality because they just understand things at a different level.

40:17 Is that a fair statement.

40:18 I think that's a great statement. Yeah, you know, and I think we're in the process of gradually uncovering our magnificence so that we can know who we really are. And you know, one of the questions I've had over the years from clients is I just want to know that I'm normal, And I say, well, you're actually paranormal.

40:38 Right, We're all well, I mean, if you just even say, listen to what Jesus said back in the day, everything I can do, you can do and more. It's it's there's not special beings that come down. There might be more evolved soul wise to get to these points, but we're all capable of it. Every single one of us will be right back after a word from our sponsor.

41:05 And now back to the show. During all of your work, have you had a profound session that really just rocked your world in a way that just changed you? And what was that session?

41:21 What happened for me as the facilitator or both?

41:26 Either one?

41:27 Yeah, okay, let me offer a couple of little snippets that would be helpful for people as well. And this goes back to that magnificence of who we are. And I once had a client and we're in the life between life state and they speak from their soul alex. They're in a different person, different voice, everything. And I said to this client, I said to her, why did you choose this body? And she says to me, well, I'm a researcher from another dimension and I'm researching the human brain and I'm here to do research. The best way to do that was to actually incarnate and have one.

42:05 I said, oh, how that's going, She says, going very well, She's do you have any questions. I'm a bit stuck for an answer, so I pulled something out of the air and I said, well, why do we only why do we only use a certain percentage of our brain, like fifteen or twenty percent? And she said to me, very matter effectively, who told you that? And I said, well, that's what our scientists are saying. And she says, well, they're wrong. She says, the only reason you think that is because you haven't invented the machines that can measure what the brain is actually doing. And I thought, wow, imagine if you had one of those machines. Yeah, but that was just fantastic.

42:49 Well, I mean, but to be fair, there are things now that we're able to see with machines and technology. One hundred years ago we're been heresy. We would have been burned at the stake. Oh absolutely, I mean, so that is not that far of a stretch. I mean, one hundred years from now that we're able to check that we were able to measure psychic ability, levels of consciousness, I don't know, whatever, whatever, those things that the brain is doing, being able to manifest and create your reality based on your focus, those might be a measurable thing in the future. Why wouldn't it be. It's as insane as a saying that there is radio waves in the air two hundred years ago, like people were like, what are you talking about? You're insane.

43:42 Yeah. I love that example because all of that is out there and we can't say it correct and all you're going to do is turn your radio on and adjust that frequency and you can get a dozen different stations in ten seconds. It's just fantastic. And I love that as an allergy and something that Bruce Lipton say once which I loved about the radio as well, and he said, looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking inside the radio for the announcer. That's a great love.

44:16 That great, great, great Stavid. What is the biggest some of the biggest misconceptions about quantum consciousness that people have out there?

44:29 Yeah, well, let me define it first, because it's important that those two two words work together. And for me, quantum physics is the science of possibility. Okay, You've got, for example, m theory, which is talking about eleven different dimensions, and the maths works. One of them's time, the other ten of space. You know, we're mathematically condoning of these other dimensions actually exist. So for me, quantum physics is starting to the right questions and they don't know they have the answers, and I think Tom Campbell said it beautifully on one of your chats. You know, they got no idea. So, you know, quantum physics is the science of possibility and consciousness of the fabric of the universe.

45:17 That's all there is. Consciousness is the lifeblood that brings that infrastructure to life. When you put quantum consciousness together, you've got the signs of possibility in the fabric of the universe. You put them together, and it's important for people to know that we are quantum consciousness. Okay, so the misconceptions going to that. The misconceptions are that we are limited. You know, people see quantum physics as science.

45:47 It's as much philosophy as it is science. People see consciousness of I'm awake where I'm asleep. That's not right either. I think one thing that we've been trained to do in human form is to live our limited lives when we are so much more so, for me, the greatest misconception is that the truth has been hidden from us that we are limitless. We are magnificent beyond our knowing.

46:13 We are multi dimensional beings in a multiverse, and we will never die, we will continue, and we're here to make a difference.

46:20 To the world. What would you say to somebody whose brain is frying right now because everything that we're talking about goes against the programming that they've grown up with.

46:30 Yeah, move from the brain into the heart because that's where that's the gateway to the soul.

46:39 So what advice would you give somebody who is saying this is all a bunch of hogwash, this is all crazy, you're all nuts. Bit the skeptic, what would you say to them?

46:51 Yeah, well I was a good sep skeptic in the early days. That's how I got into this is because I was came from non believer, which I think is healthy.

46:58 Oh it is, it is.

47:00 Yeah, I would say, don't take our word for it. If you're open to it, have the experience, you know, explore, whether it's buying a book, or whether it's going to a workshop, or whether it's still in a session with someone who knows what they're doing, whatever it might be. You know, just explore, because you don't understand your limitlessness until you start to explore it, and then it's like a trailer breadcrumbs that leads to your way.

47:29 Are there going to be any do you foresee any significant advancements in quantum physics that are going to shape our collective reality in what we're doing in the spiritual space.

47:45 Probably not my field of quantum physics itself, but if I can offer the quantum physics or something is to move beyond being a scientist and be an explorer. And I think we just cover more when we forget everything that we've ever learned and we move beyond those scientific restrictions which might have to do about research funding, peer review.

48:10 All of these things are designed to trap us into a materialistic sort of view of science. But my take is that science was originally invented to explore the new horizons, and you do it with the eyes of wonder of a small child. That's what I'd offer the scientists.

48:31 Do you believe that not only do we individually have consciousness, but there is a consciousness for humanity and arguably a consciousness for the planet that is shifting right now in a way that has been more profound than any other time in human history. Regarding the last not just the last six thousand years was what mainstream archaeo letists say that we've been around, but more so one hundred years two hundred dozen years. However long we've been here. Do you believe that I do?

49:08 I did not just believe it, Alex. I get to live it through the eyes of my clients and the people that we teach this work to, where forever starting new projects, we're opening new boundaries, We're surrendering more and more. Even Michael Newton's original work is now evolving, and then the Michael Newton Institute we're working on that at the moment as well. The quantum consciousness work that I'm doing, we're now moving further out from some of the quantum principles and exploring more from the consciousness end, from the quantum end. I think everything is continuing to unfold, and not just that, but it's speeding up. And I think that we are the horizon of a whole new consciousness for humanity as we discover more of ourselves. You know,

49:53 I'm having conversations with people, like you said before, I'm having conversations with people I wouldn't have had ten years ago. And you're right, hundred years ago it would have burned us at the stake, and many of us did that. But you know, I just think that we're in the middle of a great awakening, and what we see in the turmoil in the world is actually a characteristic of change.

50:15 And the things that we're changing need to come into our line of sight so that we can feel into them to know that we don't want that anymore, and we're going to let it go, and I think that's going to set humanity for it.

50:27 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show. So moving forward, because that's a good point that there is a lot of stuff going on right now in the world and this great time of great awakening where there is these conversations happening more and more all the time. If the numbers of my show are in the indication, that means that there's people who really want this information. We're searching for this information. But the exact same time as this positive aspect of humanity is growing, the negative seems to be growing at a similar rate. Where there's wars in conflicts from thousands of years ago boiling up, you know, ideas of racism coming out into the forefront at all all

51:23 all fronts. It's it's fascinating to see all of that's happening at the same time. But do you think it's going to get a little bit worse before it gets a little bit better? Quote unquote from your perspective and your.

51:37 Work, my take is that it's always been there.

51:43 Oh yeah, no question.

51:44 And you can't you can't hear something that until it comes into your line of side. You can't decide that you don't want it anymore. And I think it looks like it's getting worse, but I since it was always there originally anyway. But you know, when you when you're out, you're covered. You come across the cobwebs. Humanity. Humanity is still that big time. You know. We did some research at Michael Newton Institute and there's a I just put this to the side in case I could use that as a comment. But what we did we took twenty five people down into this in between spiritual type state and the other side, and we said, you know, what's happening in the world, And this was with everything that's happened over the last few years. And I'll just do

52:31 one little quote which was really powerful. Imagine a table covered with debris. This was about the whole COVID thing as well. Comes along with a sweeping arm and it completely clears the table off. Now it's got nothing on it. Humans being asked what do you want to put back on the table and what do you want to leave behind?

52:53 And I think that summarizes where humanity is at. What do we want to leave behind? Let's find the pieces and let bring them into our line of sight and let's let them go.

53:05 That was beautiful, By the way, What is the most important message you want people to take away from the relationship between quantum physics, consciousness, and our spiritual existence.

53:17 You are a unique collection of subatomic particles. You are powered by consciousness, you are quantum consciousness, you are the spiritual being having the human experience, and you are maldi dimension. So I would just offer to people that what you've asked in that question, Alex is the great summary of who they are, because everyone is all of that. And when we transcend the society or conditioning that we've been offered since we were kids, it permeates our business systems, medical systems, education systems, all of it. It's all permeated with You are limited, and I want to say that that's all based upon a lie. So when you find your own truth, you're set free from the matrix, if you want to call it that. I think everyone is new.

54:09 Everyone has the potential to be here. There's no question about it, no question about it. One other thing, you said that mister Newton's are Doctor Newton's Foundation has changed a little bit of his findings over the course of their What were there some of the differences between his work and the Institute's work.

54:29 Yeah, Michael passed now seven years ago, so it's been a while that we've carried on his work to forty countries, twenty five languages, reproducing what he originally found. But we're seeing a letting go of the structure. And some of the main trends that we're seeing is people don't need the whole structure that I described to you earlier in this conversation. People are not needing that sort of structure to be able to get the information they need. We've got a lot of people who are here incarnating on Earth now who have a lineage that goes off world, that have incarnated in other places, other dimensions, etc. And they've been drawn here to be part of this incredible change.

55:15 You've got to change the ingredients of the cake if you want to bake differently. And thirdly, there's this huge shift Alex from me to we. Be doing the life between life's work for twenty years and I look at people fifteen twenty years ago when they were first coming to me, and they would say, what's my purpose for this lifetime? What am I here to do? Now people are saying, I'm here to do something, to be part of something that's far bigger than me. I've come here for the awakening of consciousness. So the shift from me to we, I think is a great indication of our shift into this oneness that we're starting to experience more of.

55:57 And the way to experience woneness is to work out where not in the wonderers, and those are the pieces that need to be fixed.

56:05 I'll be I'm going to ask a few questions to ask on my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

56:11 It's about being in resonance, in resonance with your soul and the plan that you came here to do and to contribute to something beyond yourself. And I feel that that brings a level of resonance to your life that just allows you to experience fulfillment, to know that you're on track and that allows you to be a peace.

56:35 If you can go back in time and talk to a little PD, what advice would you get them?

56:43 Get out of the banking industry quicker?

56:50 But in another reality, you did get out of the banking earlier. So that is living a much higher life than you are, sir.

57:00 Yeah, yeah, I had twenty years in corporate life. But what that taught me. I taught me a lot about leadership, taught me a lot about communication. And when the Marca when Institute needed a finance policy, I was the guy to write one for them so that we were sustainable for future generations and everything everything serves. But I would I'd also say, more seriously, I'd say a little pee, maintain the eyes through which you see the world that are full of awe and wonder and hold on to that as you get older, because they will steer you from the purity of your soul.

57:39 Is that is that the reason why children have such a purity of heart, because they're closer to source. They just got here so they haven't been kind of muddied up the by the system as much. And BELI and also as you get older, when you're closing in on the end, you start to change as well in other ways as well.

58:04 Yeah, you're sort of revert back. And I've got a mum who's closed to transition now and she sees things sometimes she grabs things in the air. What you're doing there? I know this just needs to be fixed. Is she opening a portal to the afterlife? Is she having a memory of pick and fruit when she was a kid.

58:25 I'm not sure what she's doing, but I know that she's getting closer and the environment around her is changing. She sees things now. I think she's piercing the veil. How do you define dad or source? Ultimately, it comes back to two things. It comes back to love and it comes back to us. And if I look at that ocean of consciousness that I talked about, all those water droppedlets are permeated with love. There's something in water and consciousness that is yet to be discovered, will be at some point. I've had clients tell me about that that we're missing what the potential of water really is and we're like seventy percent water as well. So there's something there that's going to be uncovered at some point.

59:13 But for me, you know, I don't have a traditional Biblical view of God. I have it as sort of the oneness of which we are all apart and together. In that woneness we are go.

59:28 And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

59:30 I feel it's to learn and grow and evolve. But if I look at why do we take human form the purpose of a life? I like to feel that it's about making a difference in the lives of others.

59:45 And where can people find out more about you and the work you're doing.

59:49 Michael, you can institute. We're out there at Newton Institute dot org. The other work that I do with quantum consciousness is Quantumconsciousness dot com. You and we have an institute, a game with sixty people around the world, and you're the chief for quantum Consciousness yep is the chief for Quantumconsciousness dot com. There is that book, and more recently I wrote a book following that one, The Transcendence of celest Kelly. This is my worn version, but in that book I put together a whole aspect of all of the work that I've done over twenty years. I built into a story about a quantum physicist that goes chasing consciousness.

1:00:28 People try to stop her. Her father died in mysterious circumstances because he was issuing free energy, and she accidentally stumbles across the metaphysical approach that quantum physics has been missing, and she finds a way in which to collapse timelines into a future Earth that is everything that we wanted to be.

1:00:49 A friend, and do you have a parting message for the ideas, We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

1:01:03 Don't explore, discover who you really are, and that will not just be great for you, but it'll be great for everybody around you, because you'll encourage them to do the same for me. It's the ripple effect. One person wakes up, tells another person who wakes up, tells another couple who wake up, and we can take humanity into a whole new consciousness and finally understand the potential of who we are better.

1:01:29 Thank you so much for this conversation. I appreciate this conversation and everything you're doing for the world, my friend, So thank you, and I appreciate you.

1:01:38 I've got to say right back at you, Alex. You're having some conversations that are changing lives. Thank you for what you do.

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