VICKI-OUS! | RHOC Recap With Alexis Janssen

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So good morning, everybody, Good afternoon to those who are listening on audience.

Saturday, everybody.

I hope you're sleeping in and watching the pod on the Saturday or well yeah.

Yes, yes, no, I feel like it's something that they do. You know, Listen, I was a young boy Saturday mornings, Alexis, I would watch Saved by the Bell.

You know.

You know what though, Carlos, we are the same age because I would too.

Yeah, you're in the same era. That's a good thing because you know, I have a lot of older friends.

I have a lot of friends that are in the sixties that would never have watched Save by the Bell because I'm turning fifty. So it's like Save by the Bill was a non thing to the sixty year old.

So yes, yes, yes, yes, no, that's our that's our era.

So I feel like for this new era of people, we I mean, they have excused me, they have us to watch Saturday Mornings. So I am comparing us to say, by.

The Okay, I'm Zach Morris. Who are you?

Oh what was his girlfriend's name? That's me hands down, Okay, So we are the couple.

That's why we have this charisma.

Although I must say that Mario Lopez looks amazing.

I mean, does he age a day? No West or his skincare regiment? Carlos, are you friends with him? I've done an ad of interviews with him, but can you please In fact, my my, my, my daughter, My surgeon was just on his show on some news thing on Monday, so that hasn't aired yet, but I can't wait to hear what they had to say about my face. But anyway, if you were friends enough with him, it would be fun to find out his skincare regiment so we can all stay youthful like him.

Well, listen, I have no problem sliding in DMS.

I do.

Little hit to the rain drops for that little tea I just dropped. But we have to get into this episode of Orange County.

A lot happened in this episode.

Wait to hear what you what you have to say?

Well, like we said, there's no scripts, so I don't know where you're going, but please tell me what happened this episode.

Okay, well, let's start to get into the fact that the ladies are in me the Las Vegas honey, and we are out past the point of the room selections being dramatized. Will get into what happened between Heather and Shannon a second, but the episode picks up where the ladies are, you know, in their sprinters, individual sprinters, and we find out that Carmela's fourteen year old daughter it's sick. Obviously, as a mom, she's concerned about her daughter being sick.

Her daughter's fourteen. Her big sister is also there making sure she's okay, in addition to her boyfriend Danny checking in as well to make sure everything's okay. As Carmela is working okay, she's getting paid.

To be on this show.

Before we get to the main drama that occurred with Vickie in this episode of Carmela, I want to start off by first asking you, like, look as a mama bear and I'm not one.

Right, you are.

Barry, you have dogs, you are a papa bear, So don't just.

Stop a bear. Okay.

I've been fourteen years old, I've been sick, right, I was a mama's boy.

But being fourteen and sick, I.

Never looked at it as if my mother should be there nursing me back to help, because at fourteen, if I'm able to do all of these things by myself, with my big brother or big sister there. Did you find it to be something as a mom that if you were on a girl's trip, would you not go on your girl's trip because your fourteen year old is sick.

I am one million percent percent Carmela, Team Karmela on this one. My kids, even now at eighteen, I will I will come back home because I've just been that mom.

I am that mom. I want my.

Kids to feel like I'll bring them the cold rag, I will bring them the advill.

I'm like, I don't.

Care like for me, my friends take a way back seat and my life takes a way back seat to my kids. So I am team Carmela. I would have the IV being sent to my kid. I still go to doctor appointments with my adult children. I still help them because they're really I'm sorry Carlos. At eighteen, everyone says they're grown up.

They're not.

They don't even understand the world at all. They don't know what's happening. Like no, my fourteen year old are still like maybe I am too much of a nurturer, but I feel like I support Carmela on that I would. And by the way, when my kids would get sick, no matter what age, if they were at their dads, which they barely stay at, but if they ever were, they'd come right back home and be like, Mom, I'm in bed sick and I would hurry my day around and then come home and just be in the house, give them some soup, give them the water or whatever.

I just feel like it's a nurturing thing. I don't know.

I love that. Noe, mom, I want to sit. Yeah, my mom was the same way. Come. My mom was a housewife.

So that was the beauty of growing up having your mom at home with you, so that when things like this happened.

I mean, let me ask.

You, if you were a dog which had an ear issue or something two weeks ago, which home would you put your podcast on hold and your life on hold to take your dog to the vet. Or are you're going to just say, oh, go handle yourself, just go do it, go deal with it.

I would never stay handle yourself. That's my baby, my baby.

Thank you.

Listen, our podcast was delayed. Was I was on the phone with that.

I knew it and I understood it, and I passed my day. I moved my day a few thirty forty minutes down with you and your baby. So you are that dad. I'm all in the kettle the way it is that you are that dad.

That's true, that's true. That's true. Okay, Now, you're right, You're right. Okay, there you go.

Also, as they're getting ready in the sprinter, the girls asks Jen, you know about the fact that what is happening with Carmela giving you this opportunity to work for her twenty thousand dollars.

Emily's like, look, this is what she said to me.

It's interesting that everything is percolating with this opportunity that Jen has, and you and I have spoken about this in nauseam. But I do find it quite interesting that this seems to be the big thing that I feel like it's a conspiracy theory amongst Carmela's intentions.

I know, and I love.

I truly love the way Carmela handled it because she's just like, I don't understand what the big deal is here. I'm being nice, I'm giving handbags, I'm offering jobs.

I try to uplift women.

If everyone's going to have a problem with it, then that's their problem, not mine. I love her whole entire demeanor about it, and she's everything roll off. She doesn't notice, she's not getting caught up in all of it. She's kind of like, Okay, I'm doing it for a good reason. My heart is pure my heart is pure and and and if they don't like it, f them. I mean she said she said f them to Vickie like she's like.

Bleaseleep, I don't know.

I think that I what do you feel about it, Carlos, because I just said what I said, I.

Feel the thing is this.

I I agree with you. I think it's one of those things where I understand this and and you and I again spoke about this before being the new girl on Housewives.

You are going to get hazed.

It's the right of passage. It happens across all franchises, right, not just oh see, it happens on airby show that you and I watch under the Housewives umbrella. So yes, we understand that Carmela is getting her hazing situation happening.

I think what's.

Fascinating to me is the minute things that they're harping on that I feel like they're trying to make a big deal about. And that, to me is what's so strange about this particular thing.

I think it's because we've watched so many other franchises, right, there's all the other ones. We've even done Beverly Hills, and it's almost like they have something start off kind of minute. It's like warming up, you know, you're doing your stretches in the morning. But then all of a sudden it gets like the real beef, like real things that our real life issues come to play. I think the issue we have is that we're still everything's.

About minute stuff. It's about who gets what room, and about.

Who gave a dildo, and about you know, Carmela's trying to be nice and wants to offer someone twenty grand to be kind of an assistant role, which is what she would have paid her normal assistant.

I'm sure she doesn't just bring that number out of the blue.

It's probably what she would have paid her other assistant to handle a job that she's going to make, you know, one hundred and twenty thousand on she gives twenty thousand whatever. Anyway, I just feel like it's all being very scrutinized with like.

I don't, I don't, with wrong and almost like wrong intent. It's like it's an intention that's right.

Now, it's wrong intentions. That's what it is, is wrong intentions. And again I get the hazing thing. I've been a producer.

I get it too.

I get it. I'm just shocked that it's so minute.

The one thing I don't get is the fact that our girl Jin asked who filed the Grand Canyon?

But good day, all start talking about it instead of looking at her and going oh my gosh. Okay, they all.

Start talking about it. So guess what I did, alexis.

Jassen contuctive buses on and you found out how it all came about.

Yeah, so alexis at the ring jobs.

I did ask Chad GPT who found the Grand Canyon? Can I please tell you the answer? Chat GBT gave me you ready for it? I am No single person filed the Grand Canyon. Different groups encountered and documented it at different times.

Okay.

First thing is the Indigenous. The indigenous people were first to know and live around the Grand Canyon. Ancestors of today's tribe and other tribes have lived in and around the Grand Canyon for thousands of years. So the first people to know it Indigenous people thousands of years ago. The first Europeans to see it Garcia Lopez de Cardenas and his Spanish expedition in fifteen forty Okay, related is.

He related to Mario Lopez Drop? The second half of the name. I mean, that's Mario.

You need to go look at your hair, go do the twenty three and me you could have been part of the founding fathers of the Grand Canyon.

There we go, look at that.

Or Jennifer Lopez, that's all like all the Lopezes or Mario Lopez.

No, who's the other George Lopez.

Yes, George, we're all helping you. Look at Carlos and I. We just figured everything out. We figured out the Grand Canyon. Okay, we are we gonna what what next world monumentary? All our lowpuz friends were dming them after this podcast today, Carlos and We're gonna say, go back and maybe there may be your family your heritage dropped the last part of it.

Oh shit, this is so funny. Yes, we need to figure that out. So I'm gonna d George, Jennifer and Mario. Honey, thank you.

We're gonna find out because I don't DM, So you're gonna DM and you're gonna figure out.

There you go.

I'll do it. I'll do it, I'll do it. I'll one for the team. Yes, take it for the tea, Take it for the tea. Take of the tea.

Will also occur in the Grand Canyon. So tamar gets emotional, okay, and Gina tells, well, let me just start by saying this. Tamora is getting emotional because she says that she's really trying not to get angered or triggered have her confessional.

Says that she loves this side.

Of Tamra and it looks good on her, while Gina tells her that this year she can tell that Tamarra is.

Such a different person. What are your thoughts on that?

I feel like the women are happier that Tamra's quiet because they don't have to be fearful of truth being told and like things coming out that they don't really want to hear.

That's what I think.

And so I'm starting to believe now, Carlos, you know, I've always been kept half full.

Now it's episodes seven or was this this was seven?

Right, Yeah, So.

I've always been cut paft full, like that it's gonna get juicy and this, and that I actually think they're gonna let it play out this whole season like this, like we're just gonna have vanilla. We're having vanilla all season. I am kind of starting to believe that I don't know. We'll have to see, but I think I think Tamera is trying really hard, and I think I think it's genuine because I think she's just so she's so sick of being the villa. I think she's just like over it, like give pass the hat on to someone else for the villain me. But at the same time, there's so I don't know, I don't know, what do you think?

I think?

So listen, And this is me speaking as producer. I know that come last season, a lot of people felt last season was dark, Right, I as a viewer of OC, and I've said this to you before, and I've said said this to the rain drops, and I even said this to producers, right, and my friends who work on other franchises. I'm like, let me tell you something, Baby, OC is becoming my favorite again. Like I just I said, OC had three consecutive amazing seasons, and a lot of that had to do with the moment camera came back.

The moment she came back, I felt that the show was right back to where it was in terms of being great. Then you made in appearance. We follow the reality of what's going on with you and Shannon based on your now husband and your friendships with these ladies.

Katie Janella was there.

I didn't think she was great, but I appreciate it at least the reality being followed based on her not telling all the truth right and then being caught with their hand the cookie jar. Then Gretchen came back, and you and I were both thrilled with that. And then yes, we so things came about with Gretchen allegedly liking posts.

I still was entertained by it though I was, I was still here for it.

I I I love.

It, Carlos. It's real drama. That's the thing is, it's real things. It's not talking about who's.

Getting what room and having a cook you know, a stick up our butt about we got the bad room again.

It's like it was. It's real stuff.

So so that's why I think we're both kind of missing but keep going.

Yeah, so I understand the thought process. And again I have no confirmation or this. I'm only speaking as a producer. I understand that if if there was this conversation of Okay, things got a little bit too dark, let's light let's light it up a bit. I get that. I get that. I have I've had the shows where I felt like that was a tough season. Let's let's let's make this more fun. But to your point, we still follow the real reality of the drama that was happening.

And I do feel like this.

I feel like there has been too much of trying to course correct what they may have deemed as dark, and it is becoming way to vanilla because not that much is happening. That to me, it's worth following. Yes, you follow the reality of the purse, the dill do, the twenty thousand dollars, the rooms, but that only deserves one or two scenes, not three consecutive episodes episodes.

It doesn't deserve episodes. It deserves one scene. Oh my gosh, okay, next episode. We're onto something else a million percent.

So yeah, that's why I'm like, now I'm starting to go hmm. We're almost a season eight.

And by the way, season eight with Beverly Hills when it finally took off episode eight, episode I'm sorry, episode eight, when it finally took off, Beverly Hills had nineteen episodes or twenty one or something like that. This one is having a lot less and we're at season at episode seven and we're still going hm.

Hmm, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, well I'm gonna be honest. I still want to tune in, Carlos, I'm not.

I'm not.

I don't want to tune in and watch okay, And I love the girls. I know what there. I know it's hard, it's not easy work.

I get it all. But yeah, so next scene.

Yeah, and unless it's like, yeah, bitch, next okay.

Because you know what we're gonna get. Our day started earlier today.

Yeah, I'm helped me through, but I wanted to add my two cents to yours on tamar Judge. Okay, right, it's obvious that Tamra was possibly told to Tony. It's it's it's okay. And the reason why I'm saying it's obvious is because imagine Alexis and I on this podcast being like high, Alexis, Hi, Carlos, you're good, yeah right, like like it's so it's so not our personality that people be like, wait, if you.

Like, are they stoned they want to write for this podcast?

Yes, yes, yes, it wouldn't be natural. So my point is, it's just not natural for Tamra to be silent. It's not natural for Tamra to just sit there and be like, Okay, let's talk about the door back. So again, I think what has happened was there was a conversation clearly about toning it down, and I respect it, but I definitely think it was, like I said, it was too corrected.

And I'm hoping that come next season we can find a fine line of meeting in the middle.

That's what I'll say about that, Okay now, because.

When things go too right and then things go too left, it's like there is a happy medium.

I agree with that. Carlos Yeah, that's it.

That's it. That's it.

But I will I will go and represent Carlos King the first I have enjoyed the moment Tammer came back. I've enjoyed every single season. So I'll just listen. Not that people care, but i will say I had no problems with it, and I'm never gonna I'm never going to take social media's comments of the one hundred people of the one percent who's on social media and and and and.

Take that as the gospel.

So with that being said, the room drama happened again.

So we hear from Emily. Emily tells Shannon.

Pretty much about this room situation and how Heather is angered by the rooms. Shannon says Heather took off her shoes and said whose room is this?

And Heather said, well, I took my shoes off. I'm claiming it.

Emily said in her confessional that people just don't have an in them to argue with Heather because the moment you confront.

The Heather, oh boy, you better be ready.

Because she's not going to come with receipts and facts about that. So we're now being fed that Shannon and Heather are.

About to have a beef over this room. Do you buy that Heather.

Took off her shoes, which, by the way, if Heather did do that, I would have love to have seen it, and I like it.

I like that side of Heather personally, So.

I think it's his cerahcle that instead of Heather going, oh sorry, Shannon, I didn't mean to make you upset about the room.

Next time, you could just have the big room.

Heather's like, oh no, we can flip a coin. It's like, okay, no, I'm not conceding to getting the second best room. I'm gonna take the best room. And then we can flip a coin if you really have an issue with it. That's what I took away from the whole scene, and I'm like, oh my god, that this is hysterical. But it basically shows that she's not going down without a fight.

She's taking that best damn room and if you want it, you better be ready to make a stink about it and then flip a coin or do rock paper scissors.

Do something. But this is listen.

I like, and this is my words. I like pretentious Heather. I love that side of her because when I do look at Heather, I do sometimes wonder why aren't you on Beverly Hills because everything that she represents to me gives more Beverly Hills than OC.

But I can also say, as a producer, I.

Understand why the network and maybe the production company are like, you're staying on OC because.

We need we need you, We need someone like.

You on this show because you represent that lavish lifestyle that started this entire franchise, right.

But because OC wealth is nothing like the Beverly Hills wealth. That's what you're saying, is what you're trying to say, kind words, is is Beverly Hills does have a different level of I.

Mean, wealthy people are wealthy people. I get it.

But I'm saying, and this is not an insult or a dig because I'm an OC girl.

So I'm just saying.

I'm just saying, the wealth that the Beverly Hills women have is a different level than what the OC people have, except for Heather, you know, and maybe Carmela.

I don't know.

Carmela seems like she might be at that category also, but Carmela doesn't have the I think Carmela's perfect for OC. I don't think she's the Beverly Hills.

I don't know.

Do you think she'd be good in Beverly Hills Carmela.

No, No, I think she fits. I think she fits O. See, Yeah, for sure, I love her. Okay, I love her.

We've figured that out.

But yeah, so I think I think it is probably the producers just saying how they're sorry.

We need you, we need you here.

You make you bring a little different feel that we need to keep in Orange County. And you started by living here. You lived here at first. Now you live in Beverly Hills, but you did live here.

Imforman record, she she because I followed obviously the show.

She officially like moved to Beverly Hills.

Yeah, they I think they have, Like I don't know for sure now because I haven't talked to her for a while, but I think that they had.

They had like a penthouse or something at one of the Beverly Hills. So yeah, yeah.

I think she works perfect for the show to see her and Shannon have this issue. Shannon looks visibly afraid of Heather. So even when Shannon confronted Heather, Heather's Heather's disposition is so stoic that she has this glaze of her eye that she's like, let's go, like she's ready for the She's ready for the war. And I felt through the television screen the palpitating heart of Shannon Badore.

She looked afraid, she looked scared, she was nervous, and, like you said, alexis the fact that Heather's like, we could have flipped a coin, but that's not what happened. And then Shannon was like, look, I don't agree with you and says, in the moment, I should have said something, right, Like I should have said something in the moment, and Heather's like.

You should have you definitely should have Heather's just missed, but also Heather should just say, look, it's not a big deal. You can have the room next time, Like I'm not here about the room, but Heather's not saying that. Heather's like, no, I'm if I'm still taking my fifty percent shot here. I'm going to take my fifty percent to try to get that room.

Still.

Like where if it was me and someone was coming to me being like Alexis you always get the best room, Like you always try to take the best room, and you don't give anybody else another care in the world, and.

I'd be like, take the room. I don't care fin I'll sleep on the couch in fact, But.

Heather's like, hell, no, I will flip a coin with you, because I am taken that fifty percent shot, because.

That's why She's accustomed to heaven and bro is accustomed to a certain lifestyle. In this moment, Shannon reveals she's very lonely, which I thought that was a cop out to end this beef or this issue rather than beef to end this conversation with Heather. I didn't understand how you being lonely had any correlation to assigned.

Room because they're all lonely at that point. They're all staying in rooms alone except only and no one has their dog or their puppet or their man. They're all in the room alone.

Except Emily. She has a dial do, so she's always Emily.

Has and Gina, so Emily's well prepared. She's good, She's not lonely by any message.

She's good. She's good, She's good.

I did want to ask you this only because this did happen at the end of the episode, but since we're talking about this idea of Shanna being lonely, heather did say that Shannon has never been with any man who deserved her, And I thought about you only because obviously we know that your now husband dated Shannon before was on the show. So when Heathern made that comment, how did you feel about that?

I think I think that it was obviously maybe not even maybe she wasn't even trying to make a dig at John. But John is the best person that Channon would ever have gotten, to be honest, if she could have kept him.

So that's that.

But he's he's the most amazing husband and the most amazing person in this world, and the most giving person and all of that.

But I feel like you attract what you give off.

So if you can't find your person, then maybe do a self assessment and see what is what can be done internally to then attract somebody that you do deserve. That's my outlook on life. What you give off, the energy you put off, the if you want to be victim, or you want to be bold, or you want to be.

Kind, or you want to be.

Selfish, or you want to be like all these different things that go on in life. It's like manifest what you want, kind of like a man of Francis working through you right now.

Okay, thank you very much.

But you know, put exude what you want to pull into your life and you will attract it.

It really does happen.

Alexis Jan said, So I'm just.

Saying, like, I mean, what you give up so.

You'll find exactly the person that you're giving that energy too. And if you can't give a different energy, then that person's never going to come to you.

I was not expecting this as oh my god, like I actually.

Amanda, thank you for being on my Instagram now for being on Beverly Hills for one season, because I don't care if you're a one hit wonder.

I love what you put out in this world.

You should see my closet. I have a manifestation board now and there you go.

That's did IM here for it. Look, you have like changed my perspective now.

Okay, wait wait wait wait wait, go back. What was your perspective before?

Well? Look, I thought, okay, my perspective before was this.

I when Heather said it.

It stopped me in my tracks, it really did.

Did you think it was a dig? Did you think it was a dig towards my husband?

So I'm gonna be very honest with you.

I obviously thought of your husband because the only other person that I've seen Shannon be with on the show is her ex husband.

Well, you didn't watch that dating show where she was with some other girl.

Girl. We're not going to act like that was a real dating show, please.

Please, Carlos, like, oh please, that's why none of those women are with the men they're they're dating today now. So I only know Shannon with David, her ex husband, and obviously with John, and then yes we've known she went on dates here and there, But I'm talking about like consecutive seasons of watching this relationship.

So when Heather said it, I was I.

Was taking him back, and I thought to myself, Okay, the David thing I get because you know, listen, the cheating.

No woman deserves.

Nobody deserves to be cheated on, but especially a wife with children. That's I can't imagine what that feels like. So I understood that from David, you know, but you.

Know John is the difference and so you yeah, you know who he is and so so.

But John, I was like, oh, well, that's not fair because I don't think John deserves that, not only as somebody who watched the show and John was always sweet to her, but obviously I've come to know you and John as well, and I just thought, look, nobody really had anything bad to say about John outside of Shannon, you know, like there's certain excess for example, Brouke Boks, right, Vickie's ex like, that's when we know that not only what the tamera or the rest of the women, but also her daughter was like, we don't like this guy.

Yes, what though, Carlos except me because I got to know Brooks a lot, and I was on I was team Vicky and team Brooks at that point.

Jim and I my ex husband and I both were at that point.

Because we would go take soup over to Brooks and Brooks would be like literally, Jim would call me and be like, he's in a robe.

He's been throwing up. He's sicker than a dog.

Like like, I bought into it too, So I loved that the girls had the glasses that could see through it all because I bought into the whole lie also, it was it was to me, I thought Brooks was telling the truth, and I felt so bad for Vicky.

Now we obviously all know the truth.

But but you know, I don't know I was Anyways, I'm getting on a tangent about Brooks now, but keep going about yeah.

So, but the point is, I just thought I thought it was unnecessary, but I wasn't sure, and I'm being very honest. I wasn't sure because I'm all about intention, so I wasn't sure if Heather's intentions was to take a dig at John.

That's the only thing I did.

Yeah, And I originally it was I was kind of like, oh, you know, like that because it is my husband. But then I thought, you know what, I think I think they were just trying to be kind in the moment to someone who's lonely.

Victim, like, you know, like someone who's lonely.

So I think that they were just trying to console her and be like, you know, Shannon, you really do need.

To put yourself out there this and that, but I don't know.

So I then kind of I took a step back, and I go, Okay, if I'm not really if I'm really putting myself in Heather's shoes, you do have to say that. You have to say that to pump your girlfriend up and be like, yeah, you don't. You haven't found the person that's worthy of you yet. That's what you would say to your girlfriend who's hurting you. You would, regardless of how amazing John was to her and how much he did overdo everything and try his best that he could possibly do to handle her. It is like, you know, at the end of the day, to make Shannon feel better, you have to say, you haven't found your person, you haven't found the person that's worthy of you yet.

So I can't wait to see this guy.

By the way, wait to meet this guy.

Yeah, Suddy, yes, yes, So.

They make up, you know, Heather and Shannon they go to the casino table, and this is when the lady start to question Carmela offering jin the job, and Carmela made the comment we discussed earlier that she has never her life in question about helping somebody. But Vicki takes it upon herself to say she feels like there's rich flax when it comes to Carmela, she says it to her face. She asked her, so where do you live? Like, do you live in the LCA? Carmela said she lives in Rancho Santa Fe, but she also has a home in the OC and then Vicki wasn't satisfied with that answer and then starts to tell her how dare you leave your kids while they're sick? And question you know a mother who would do that? And this is when

I sat up straight and said, the head of de bro, I may give you a hard time and it's always warranted, but one thing I will say, I had to I had to, But one thing I will say Team Heather debro.

The way that woman got.

Up went to Vicky's tough, went to Vicki, shut it down, move on, and Vicki's like, don't y'ell let me heaven says, stand down, we're not doing that.

We're not doing that. Even Shannon is like, you can't criticize someone as a mother. And in that moment, I'm like, now.

This is the oc that I fell in love with Alexis as a mom and a friend to these ladies. What did you think about that moment?

It's honest to god truth.

Like everyone says, you know how there's the hazing and a sorority and there's a hazing on the Housewives. Everyone says. Also, the other rules of thumb are you don't touch companies or businesses and you don't touch children. That is the number two. Those are the two things. It's like, yes, you know you're gonna get haze season one. Yes, then you move on and everything's okay, But you don't touch children and you don't touch businesses because that's your livelihood and everything else is all all fair, okay, a fair game.

So yeah, I think that Heather was just like I mean, because look, Heather and I have had the one thing that we have in common is we have children and that we have to be extremely protective of because of the world that they are in, you know, And so I respect that and I think that Vicky I appreciated that.

At the end, Vicky went and apologized, and I felt the apology was authentic. I want to know your thoughts on that. I know I'm skipping ahead a couple of scenes, but I did feel the apology was authentic. And I think that Vicky went back to a room and thought about it and was like, you know, Carmela obviously just rubs Vicky wrong.

There's no doubt about that.

I think that Vicky got caught up and you know how you get your journal and gets going, you get pissed off about something or someone and then you just spout off. I think Vicky went back to a room and thought and was like, hmmm, yeah, I should have I should have peeled it back a little.

And that's when she apologized. So good job.

I don't agree with you. Oh shoot, what at all?

How can you not agree with me on that?

Okay, go no, I don't, I don't. I don't you.

Think the producers or the women went to her and said, you need to apologize because this is too hard.

Ohay, based on the flat I don't think it was genuine. I think you know what it was to me? I think it was a moment where listen, all of us, me included, right, have said things where we put our foot in our mouths, and it took other people to say, based on the temperature of where we are in the world, you can't say those things. You just can't write like you this will this will in the bath for you, like I'm trying to protect your brand, your legacy, your position on the show.

I think Vicky did it because she had I think she had to. I think.

I think she was shocked, and I'll be honest with you, I was even shocked how they all stood up against her.

Vicky is not a wallflower. Vicky is tough, and we've seen Heather.

The last time I saw Heather confront someone like that was when she did it to Kelly Dodd where she told Kelly Dodd said a C word and Heather got up and said, we don't use that. You need to leave, you need to leave, And.

Well, now what everybody uses that word?

By the way, Now, if that words like it's like it's like getting a pickle out of pickle jar.

Now if that throws that word around like nothing.

Now Kimsley, right, Hey, So Heather got.

In Heather got in in Kelly Dodd's face about that word.

Oh.

It was one of the most iconic scenes because Kelly Dodd called a forgot whood it was, but she caused someone a sea word. Everybody was shocked because again it's oh C and nobody really uses that word anymore. Heather the bro got up and literally put her finger in Kelly's face.

She said, you need to leave, get out of here.

Kelly Dodd did not hit Heather in the face.

It was her first season oh, and she was like, who are you? You're not my boss and Heather left. I haven't seen Heather do that since, so to see her give that same vitriol to Vicky, it it made me love Heather was like, Heather, I may I may be a fan because the work of camera judge, Carly Hey, Hey Heather, and the words of Tamra Judge, You're only as good as the last episode and this episode. I got team Heather through and through, so I don't think it was I listened Vicky, and this is tough for me to say because I am a I'm a housewife's viewer but also former producer, and I will always give VICKI the prop she deserves for what she did for this franchise. And it pains for me to say this, But watching Vicki on this show and watching Beacon Ultimate

Girls Trip, you and I haven't talked about that, so I'm not even sure you're watching it.

I am, of course, I am, yes, I am, okay, I didn't know last.

Episode we said, I didn't. I didn't watch this week though. I'm I'm behind on TV right now. But go ahead, what are you going to say about Vicky.

I think Vicki's time on Housewives have passed. I think, but the.

Front door, I do not agree with you every episode or every scene of this season. I'm so sorry. I'm getting all flustered now. You got me flustered, Carlos. Every scene on this episode that I laughed, it was because of Vicky Gumbelson, and I'm like, I just love that.

I loved, I love it. I do not agree with you.

That's that's and that's fair, that's fair.

And I need we need this is this is what we're doing next week when we first start the podcast, we are going to see a pole take a poll from I want to know if they are Team Vicky. Yesterday on or Team Vicky. It's time to go. So are you on team Carlos or are you on Team Leck?

I want to know.

This is what I will say. I think is one of those things where the the world has changed so much since Vicky started. This show has changed so much since Vicky started. I'm not saying Vickie has to have moments that I laughed at, I I I it has. I'm saying watching Bickie twice a week and seeing how she's not making an effort to get to know these women, I don't want to watch that.

She she's she's.

Not even trying to like have meaningful discuss discussions with these women. She's not and and and and listen, if we're going to sit up here and call out someone like Katie Janella as an example of an Amanda Francis, let's have a real conversation. These are women who were polarizing on each show nine times out of ten because I didn't ask and I don't want to know. Nine times out of ten they were not asked back because they didn't forge relationships or friendships with these women. Right, if that is the threshold that we decide who gets to come back VICKI has not formed a friendship or relationship with any of these women outside the women she started with, which is Shannon and Tamera.

Ah.

She's not trying to get to know Gina and Emily. She's not like I will.

And when she was in the sprinter van, I listen, I run a company myself, and I you know this with me, I'm a workhorse. Sometimes I'm late to whatever I'm not. I'm not I don't talk to you with these podcasts and I do this. I don't bring my laptop to me when I'm when I'm riding a rob with my friends, because this is this is the thing as the owner of the company, the beautiful thing about being the owner.

You pick out your own schedule.

So if I know that I'm filming a scene with these girls from two to five, I'm going to delegate duties to my team members from two to five and immerse myself in the scene. And I think it's it's it's obvious. It's obvious that Vicky believes she's bigger than the program.

I can appreciate what you say, and you're entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

Yes, I think that what are you seeing out? What are you okay?

Well, this is on what you're just saying about the laptop and the minivan or the sprinter where they're headed to the Grand Canyon. You film more than three hours in a scene, Carlos, it is it is you when you're on a girl's trip or on a girl the weekend or the you know, the getaways, the try with all the casts, all cast trips is what they're called.

When you're on that, you are working ten to twelve hour days. You are lucky if you get to go take a sip of water and go potty. And I know it's like, okay, I cry me a fiddle, Alexis. I mean, you're on TV and you're making a lot of money or whatever. But anyway, it's.

Like, I don't blame her.

The car rides are so like overplayed and you're talking so much. I would zone out in the car rides too some and maybe I didn't have my laptop, but I might put on an iPod in my air and play some music and just sip back. It's like, you don't you don't have to be on all the time because it's like you're really being on like ten or twelve hours a day. Give the girl a break if she wanted to do five emails and quiet down a little bit.

I don't blame her.

So I think Vicky brings enough of a different dynamic. Maybe she is getting her feet wet this season. I mean because I have spoken to VICKI and she and it is like it has evolved so much just in the six years she's been off that now she's a full time cast, it is even so much that it's a totally different animal. And we both agreed to that because when I went back season eighteen, and I was a friend of so it's not even the same, total different animal. So I don't blame Vicky for taking her laptop.

And I think she's still bringing enough. I think she's funny. I think she's quirky, just the right amount of quirky. And I love seeing her. That's why I can't wait to see what the rain drops say because I haven't done any You know, Andy Cohen should do a poll and watch what happens live and to ask everybody, are you glad Vicky's back or you think she should go?

Are you team Carlos or team Alexis on this?

I want to know.

Yeah, now, let us know in the comments, tweet us, and I won't even say what people are saying on social media because yeah, good, because I always say you can't. You can't take social media comments as the gospel for how the audience at large looks at things. However, with that being said, on social media, ninety nine point nine percent people are saying what I'm saying, and I'm not saying.

I supposed to say that we wanted to do what the rain drops had to say.

No, no, no, But that's why I get a disclaimer.

I'm saying that I'm not going to base it off of just that, which is why I'm encouraging the rain drops.

If you're on YouTube, let us know the YouTube comments.

If you're listening to this on audio, let us know on Spotify comments, and we will report back next week. Hey, and let's see what happens. But like you said, the season is still well girling. Think still is the mid season?

Like it's still early.

If there's seventeen, it's seventeen including the reunion.

It could be.

Wow, I haven't heard anything, so I don't know if you had seventeen. None of us know or have any Okay, I thought one of us an inside connection that maybe we would find out because I you know last year, I did.

We both knew from some people last year.

So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't see being a lot of episodes only because listen, let's see what the mid season trailer.

Okay, and that not only happens maybe for the next week.

It would be at the end of next week's episode. It would be at the end of next week's let's.

Hope, and I can't wait to see some familiar faces.

Yeah, oh god, is that next week?

I don't know.

Well, there'll be a lot to discuss that one, A lot, a a lot.

Yes, break make a Housewives of OC great, Yes, Okay, So Vicky did say her confessional alexis that she feels like Carmela is trying to buy her way into the group by offering vibrators, purses and jobs.

By the way, hysterecal, I see, but that's what Carlos.

You just gave Vicky a one and Mark, okay, you gave her a plus one. So I'm saying she does bring it. She brings a little something to the table.

Although I don't.

Agree with Vicky I do. I did love the comment. It was funny as heck. No, I think that Carmela is literally just being Carmela. I think she's trying to be funny. I think she's got a good sense of humor. It's dry, she's got a dry sense of humor. But I think she's I love how she rolls everything off, and I'm sticking by that.

So I don't agree with Vicky on the fact that she's trying to buy her way in.

No, I don't. I don't, I do don't.

But again, so we discuss how she apologized, and then the ladies are at dinner and they start talking about the libido with their men. Tamra is like, look, if it happens with me and Eddie, it happens, I'm not like feeding for the sex or whatever. Heather says that she and her husband they schedule sex because so.

Much is going on, they're busy.

If this, She's like, oh wait, we haven't done it, hey Wednesday at four o'clock, you're good.

My poor if he if we had to do that, my poor husband would be like, I can't even go there because my kid. If my kids listen to this, but if they do. I don't know if they do, and I've never asked. I just I just I don't know.

I'm getting hot over here.

If my husband and I had to schedule sex, I would I would I why be married?

I Am not scheduling my sex with my at all. Ever.

It is just if it happens, it happens, and it always does, and I'm not asking for it or needing to ask, and it just it.

Just occurs when it occurs. And thank God for that. Thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus for my life.

Because the fact that I have to pull out my planner and be like, okay, wait, you know what, for the next fourteen days, I won't. But then on Thursday the twenty fifth, can you can at four to twenty two? Because at four point fifteen I have a phone call. It's only gonna take seven minutes.

But at four twenty.

Two I've got till four twenty nine. Ooo, let's go, baby, are you ready? Not hot heading a lamp, put on a sexy parrot lingerie for you in that hot Let's go four two to four twenty nine.

Not five minutes by Sun seven?

No, it don't call you guys, It's like I got seven minutes because then I got four thirty phone calls. So we gotta be done at four twenty nine because at four thirty I have another phone call and then I got to start dinner at five.

So I want to ask you this, if you're comfortable, if you're comfortable.

Different day oh on on a.

On a scale from Tamera to BICKI, Okay, I want to know which one Alexis identifies with. So I want to give you three women who gave us their scenario.

Which one allies more with Alexis dance? Okay. Tamra is saying, like, look, if it happens, it happens. I'm not looking in Tamra's.

Defense, I want to start with Okay, I want to start with this with Tamra. Tamar's defense, there is something that happens physiologically to a woman.

I'm not there yet.

She's ten years old or eight years older than me or whatever, but I mean, even talking to my mom talking, I have another best friend that's ten years older than me. There is something that physiologically happens when you're going through menopause and doing all these things that your body's changing.

So in her defense, if she's not going to do the testosterone and her levels are low, her libido's low. She has not always been a low libido girl. Let me just start with that. Okay, So Eddie got the Eddie got the Sexy Kitten two. You know. But like so, so if she's having this issue, you know, either it's going to work itself out or she's going to have to, you know, and ride the waves of getting through all the hormonal changes and then she'll her libido will come back, or she's going to have to get on something.

Because it's true.

I mean, my mom talked to me about it and told me what was happening with her. My mom and I were like best friends and tight and talked about everything. So anyway, that's what I will preface with with Tamra. So it's not a forever thing with her, I don't think, but keep going. So where Tamra's at right now is she's at the basically it's non existent.

She doesn't care about it.

Okay, So that's Tamra.

Okay, Middle Heather schedules. Okay.

Vicky says she always initiates because her mama tell her. If you don't please your man, someone will. Okay.

So Alexis jad said, three women, which one do you align more with?

Tamra, VICKI or Heather.

I align with Alexis Jansen and that I schedule. I do not plan, and I am not in the non existent world.

I am in the Alexis Jansen world, which means we when we want to, we do it as long as there's no one around it.

Even if there is, we might just be really quiet. It just happens.

And thank Jesus, I have that relationship with my husband, and thank God he knows how to you know, Hey, thank God I have my husband.

That's what I'm going to say.

So I aligned with none of the three women. I am in the Alexis Jansen category. And there you go. And in the perfect world, I would pray that every woman was in my category. I don't come glowing every Friday for no reason, Carlos.

So there you go.

There's nothing else that needs to be said about this.

No, no, no, there is, because now it's my turn to ask you.

Oh shit, you know, let you go without being about you want?

You know me better than that, Carlos King.

Hello, We've been doing this for two and a half three years now.

Come on, okay, go ahead, tell me where do you align?

I'm Vicky gobbles in all day long.

You're the initiator, you like, drop those drawers one so you don't have your Any of your boys aren't the other. There are more of the quiet one, and you're the You're just the more dominant.

Yeah.

Really, so you're attracted to You're attracted to that type then the one that where you're more of the initiator or you.

Just like to be. I think it's my but I also think it's just my personality.

Right Like I I go get her.

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go get I thrive on being the leader. I thrive like in my professional life, I'm like, you know, we gotta do this, do that, D D DA DA D.

So when it comes to my personal life, I operate the same. I definitely take charge.

Because you're so busy. I can be honest with you right now, and you're gonna be mad. I'm trying to say this. Because you're so busy and you're constantly jet setting and you have so many appointments.

I could picture you be a scheduler.

I can totally continure you being like like, Frank, be ready at ten oh two because I gotta be on the podcast with Alexus at eleven o'clock.

We gotta go. Can I tell you something?

You have been that way?

Absolutely?

I know him, everybody, Thank you very much, thank you very much.

This is not a phony relationship. I know Carlows.

I'm definitely like, hey, so like Friday of this weekend or in a few days, what do you think?

He's like, Okay, I'm like, okay, good, Oh my good.

I got a w D forty my chair because every time I keep leading back now it's sweaking. I don't know if the rains here, Like, I'm laughing so much of this one that I've got to like, w I've got to pull out the forty Johnny.

John, you could get that out of me. That is the funniest shit ever.

Well, it's funny that I kind of pictured you being in between I pictured you being in a pun Alexis and a Heather. I pictured you being kind of like the scheduler. But then also just like, no, it's happening when it happens.

Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, it's called what in all relationships, compromise.

Ah, there you go, I love it. Look at your grund. Here's such a fun.

Fun you have the wait to end this episode.

Besides that kind of talk, so obray John's we do not need your poll on this one.

Actually, I would like their pull on this. I would like to see who people are more like in their sex life. Are they more of the non existent or the or the so? Are you a Tamra, a Heather, Vicki or an Alexis yes? Or a Carlos who's in between a lot of them?

Okay, so we'll do the five so rain jobs. If you're comfortable, you can do it anonymously. Let us know when it comes to your sex life. Are you Vicki, Tamra, Heather, Alexis or Carlos?

Let us know, hasck this is.

Going to be a juicy Hey, guess what, Carlos. If the episode won't bring it our podcast will this is gonna have to talk about at the beginning of next week. No, I think I'm still glass helpful. I think next episode is going to be amazing. I can't wait.

Carama must activate it.

Oh, I didn't you know what? I didn't watch trailer or the screener.

It's it's listen listen.

We could be let down a little bit in case it appears to be bigger than what it scenes.

But Tamra got a little yeah.

Okay, I can't wait, Yes.

Yes, yes, I can't wait. All right, Alexis Johnson, I love you so much. This was a very very very very fun episode and I'm so.

This was not what we went places we don't usually go, Carlson.

Well, that's what I do on the weekends. But anyways, wait rops.

All right, everybody.

Hey, I'll have to skepule something, Alexis.

I will see you back next week.

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