
THE HERD - HOUR 3 - NFL QBs as Halloween Villains
Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2026 · 33 min
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Colin talks to former Boise State head coach Chris Petersen about NIL, the college football playoff expanding, USC vs Ohio State, and more.
He also compares NFL QBs to iconic Halloween Villains.
Guest: Chris Petersen
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Well, he won 79% of his games as a college football coach. In fact, was two-time Paul Bear Bryant Award winner. He's like a coach's coach. If you ask people about Chris Peterson, Boise State led them to an undefeated season, got Washington to a. College football playoff game, uh, lost to a great Bama team. Um, and somebody I've leaned on every time I talk to him so much going on right now in college football with the NIL, the playoffs coming. I, I, I'm a proponent of transfer portal and NIL. I've said, everything needs guardrails. Um, But in the end, every Saturday I tune in games.
I don't know what is happening. And I felt college football, it got very splintered. There were four great programs, maybe three. And by mid-October, you knew who was playing for the title. I have no idea. I think Miami's really good. I'm pretty sure Notre Dame can win out. But I don't know. With that, Chris Peterson, Fox Sports College football analyst, is now joining us live. All right, so... I said earlier, I've seen a lot when a coach is wounded. Ryan Day loses to Harbaugh again, and let's get rid of Ryan Day. And, oh, man, Ryan Day's no good. And the Buckeyes, for the next month, play perfect football, blow everybody out. And that told me the team loved Ryan, and they supported him. So Lincoln Riley's in one of
those where it's like, okay. Ohio State's on a backup, Chris. It's in L.A., rainy weather. Jaden Maiava had one of his rare bad games. It's a wounded team. Does that signal to you that this is a moment in time that USC, you got a very rarely vulnerable Ohio State. How do you view this one?
I cannot wait to watch this game. And I'm with you, Colin. I mean, college football is, is so great right now.
I think we all were very down on the transfer portal, NIL, but as it's turned out, and I'm with you on, we still need structure.
We need guardrails, no question, or it's not going to be sustainable.
But I am so intrigued with this Ohio State-USC matchup because there's just so many question marks on both sides. Yeah. You know, starting with Ohio State, what is this going to look like at the quarterback situation? Are they playing one? Are they playing two? How are they going to get Jeremiah Smith the ball? I think this Julian saying injury just changes so much about college football. I've been saying that I'm a Julian saying fan. I don't think he gets enough credit.
I really don't. And now you come in with these freshmen quarterbacks.
We're going to see what they have, but you know, Ohio state's line hasn't done a great job protecting the quarterback. They haven't done a great job running the football. Well, those two things are a quarterback's best friend.
And now you're coming in with young guys.
So that's going to look very interesting.
And then you go to, you know, you go to SC and.
The biggest, the biggest head scratcher is what just happened to their offense and The one thing that I think happened is Wisconsin has a heck of a defense.
Right.
And nobody wants to give them any credit for anything, but they're slowly making their mark. And that defense is darn good. But still, even with a really good defense, you just don't see Lincoln Riley's offenses, you know, can't run the ball, no explosive plays, giving up a bunch of sacks. So this game to me is going to be so intriguing. And I think you're right. You know, Ohio State kind of limps into this one with this big question mark at quarterback.
So you got him at home. The time is now to strike.
Oh, yeah.
I think the other really fascinating thing is it's been all about USC's defense. You know, can they stop anybody? They're not good enough. USC's defense, I think over the last three weeks, maybe even four, has slowly but surely gotten better.
Yeah.
They really have.
Yeah.
But now we're kind of going to what happened to USC's offense. So, but they got firepower. Myava is really, really good. And if they can protect him and run the ball a little bit, they're going to be right back.
In the mix.
Certainly if SC's defense can take that next step, like they have been each week.
You know, I think, Some of the criticisms of Riley I push back on, and he is a little defensive, but so, you know, or prickly. Well, so was Urban Meyer, who I love, and Kurt Cignetti, and oh, he's got an ego, and well, Nick Saban's got an ego. I mean, prickly, defensive, you know, ego. It's college campuses. These are the highest paid state employees. That doesn't bother me. I think the criticism, that's fair. is because there is no preseason or joint practices.
You have to develop toughness on your own. And the criticism to Lincoln that's fair is when they go on the road, soft doesn't travel. They don't tackle particularly well. They're not good in cold weather. How did you develop that at Boise? When I think of Boise teams, I always thought, man, they overachieve toughness. You always had good quarterbacks and good backs, but I always felt defensively. I'm like, he's doing it with two and three star guys. How are they so good defensively against Georgia's and all these Oklahoma's?
How do you develop toughness? Cause USC hasn't. And I think that's the one criticism against Lincoln. That's fair.
Yeah. You know, I'm really careful when you use that word softness, because that is like spitting on coaches. Like that is like, you don't want to say that to anyone because I, if there's one thing you don't want to be is soft.
And sometimes we don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
But I do think this, I think two things scream toughness. When you play really good defense, limit explosives, stop a run game.
Like that's where the toughness starts with your defense. The second thing going into offense is if.
You can run the ball effectively and And so, you know, I think if you maybe look at SC's situation, their defense hasn't been able to get stops in the past when they needed to.
I think they're getting better.
I think offense has never been a problem until last week with Lincoln.
They run the ball. You know, they got that air raid offense.
And, you know, when I used to go against Mike Leach. At Washington State, I can't tell you how difficult that was getting those kids ready for that style and Lincoln to derivative of this air raid offense.
The only thing that we.
Used to just pray for when we played Washington State and Mike Leach was that they wouldn't run the ball more. Like that to me just changed everything. And he did not care. He just wanted to throw it. And so maybe that's what helped us. But Lincoln will run the ball and they got to get that run game going this weekend. But if the defense can continue to get better, tackle well, and they can get the run game going on offense, they're going to have a great shot to beat Ohio State this weekend.
So it's interesting, you know, Sark and the Texas situation is one of those that Whenever there's a program that kind of feels like annually they underachieve, I always say, well, it's something. Either you've got high-maintenance donors, you've got an infrastructure that's failing, you've got some legacy stuff where you've got to recruit certain schools and areas. There's something there.
And Texas is one of those. It's like the Bentley of programs. It's beautiful. It's Texas. And I'm like... However, they ended up with three to four losses every year. Now you throw in Arch Manning, where even if you don't mean to, there's a lot of pressure to coach a Manning. You don't want to screw him up. You want to give him the protection. I watch Arch, Chris, and my take is he should be more like Tebow.
He's an athlete. Run him. They don't run because I think Sark, deep down, doesn't want to screw it up and go, I don't want to turn him into a running quarterback. He's a Manning. I want to showcase his talent. I look at Texas, and I just think they should be better than they are, and it's almost an annual argument.
They're uneven, great half, bad half. What do you see when you see Texas?
Yeah, I mean, okay, so if the first word no coach ever wants to hear is soft, the second word you never want to have someone saying is underachievers, right? And I always say this. The problem is not expectations. That's not the problem because your whole life you're trying to figure out how do we manage expectations? The problem is unrealistic expectations.
And you just said it.
We get into this transfer portal era, NIL, the playing field levels. The second thing is, is you throw up Texas's schedule.
They got a hard schedule.
Oh, it's brutal.
Ridiculous.
So, again, we're looking at some maybe unrealistic expectations because it's Texas. But what I think about this is, and you said, you know, Arch is more of a Tebow-style runner.
That's not Sark's style.
Like, he'll run the quarterback a little bit, but that's.
Not his style.
And that's not why and how he recruited Arch to his offense.
And so I think we've got to keep that in mind.
That Arch wants to play in a pro-style offense, and that's what– That's what Sark runs. But I think this too, like you talk about expectations and I watched Arch play in high school and it's a smaller high school and he's this big, strong, fast, you know, he's got all these traits and then he's got the last name, which shouldn't mean anything, but it does. And then you throw him into one of these blue blood programs and everybody's already to anoint him. He's done in three years and he's a first round draft.
That's just not fair.
Like the quarterback position is a developmental position. And it's just super obvious to me. that we all are, but Arch is work in progress, and he is developing.
SC, Texas, the number one thing.
They need to do is be able to push back on the noise that is just deafening when these expectations, which are mainly unrealistic, are not.
Met every Saturday.
I want to end with this. I didn't grow up with a traditional background. We weren't big churchgoers and So I always think that I'm much more comfortable with change. I'm a broadcaster. I've moved all over the country. I understand people that grow up in a cul-de-sac. They live there for 40 years. They still have friends from high school.
That's not me, but I understand there's a lot of people like that, and it's a great life. So when the portal comes and the NIL comes, everybody freaks out, and I'm like, I don't know. I kind of like the idea that I don't have to go to a junior college. It doesn't take three years to rebuild. I kind of like it, and it has worked out. Now, Again, it's expensive. How long is it sustainable? I don't know.
I just know the quality is good, and Indiana won a natty, and that's good for college football. That's what I know. The playoff, and maybe 16 is the right number, not 24. I'm not going to dig my feet in, but I do think 16 to 24 presents this. I want more teams in November, the first week, thinking, we're going to make this playoff. We're getting healthy. That's the NFL.
I mean, that's the NFL. You could be 500. Tom Brady was 7-5 about late in the season in Tampa. And nobody thought they were a Super Bowl team. They had a bye week. They got healthy. They cleaned up, ran the table. They win the Super Bowl. I like a longer playoff. I like 16-24. Would you like it if you were still coaching?
Well, I think most coaches do like this 24 number.
I think a lot of the fans don't necessarily like that. You know, it's all the things that kind of waters down the regular season. You're putting teams in there that really don't have a shot at winning it all.
But who knows if that's true or not?
Like we were just talking, you and I were wrong about transfer portal and NIL. It actually turned out to be pretty good. Maybe this does turn out. I thought 12, I did like 12. I think after last year's experience might feel a little tight, you know, with the 12, I thought taking Miami over Notre Dame was the right thing to do because that's what it comes down to.
But I also felt like Notre Dame should be in this because they got a chance to really.
Maybe win it.
Yeah.
So what is that number? I'm kind of with you. The one, the number that kind of feels right to me, is 16.
That seems like you're going to get all the good players in and maybe a.
Couple of guys like, who knows, maybe they could make a run. 24 seems a bit much, but again, we've been wrong on this thing a bunch. So I think it'd be really cool if they would have went to 16 and then took a look at that and maybe, okay, let's go to 24.
But I think hope is a great thing. in college football.
And so teams that have hope, like you're saying in November, hey, we still got a shot to make this. You know, the Boise State, the James Madisons of the world, the Oregon States, do they have a shot to get in this and maybe do something? That is a really good thing for fan bases, for kids, and for college football.
Chris Peterson, coach, as always, it's absolutely great to have you. Good seeing you.
Yeah, you too, Colin. Take care. Have another great, wild weekend.
Yeah.
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Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
All right, Green Bay Carolina tonight, the latest on Matthew Golden, the star receiver who is having a great year, breakout year for him.
Some drops.
Yeah, he leads the league in drops, actually.
He has been listed as a limited participant, and it's questionable whether or not he will play tonight. That's a big one because the Carolina secondary is banged up. Now, they do play a lot of zone, which is not what Jordan Love excels at.
He loves man.
He sells Christian Watson. Just go down the field. I'll hit you with the big arm. And Golden's twitched up, can get open against anybody. This would be a big loss if he can't go. Either way, I'm on Carolina plus the points. I think you are as well.
I think there's going to be low scoring. I just don't know if Green Bay has the weapons.
Tucker Kraft doesn't look like the guy he was before the injury.
Well, it goes back to Carolina's more than competent, some advantages on the perimeter, humiliated last week. A more than capable offense. To me, it just screams 27-24. It's a classic take the hook. I think Caroline is the side.
By the way, Golden is averaging 15 yards a catch. He's a big play guy when he was in college. He and Watson both.
Yeah.
His offensive line is banked, but they got cluster injuries on the line. So Love's not going to have time. I think 27-24 is high. I'll go like 17-14 Packers, something like that.
Let's go to your guy, Bo Nix.
We got to get him in the show every day, Colin, because he is a big flashpoint in the league right now.
Because if he's good, the Broncos could probably go to the Super Bowl.
There were some questions about him last week, and then he had a pretty decent game against.
Arizona, 222 yards.
Had the big 62-yard touchdown scamper. Ahead of the big rematch this weekend against the Chiefs, Nix made it clear he's not satisfied where the offense is at.
We're close, but I don't feel like we're really dominating or scratching the surface of what we can be. But we are doing what we're supposed to do to win games, which is the first and foremost, most important thing. But I do think we're leaving some things out there with penalties and third downs and some other things.
But it starts with me.
We're going to correct it. We're going to get the job done.
They don't make sense historically, but it's working. Playing from behind, going into the fourth quarter, trailing. I mean, this is going to be, this is almost guaranteed to be a very, I don't think it's going to be a lot of points. This is 23-20. I kind of like Kansas City. Again, Andy Reid-Mahomes have been humiliated in a Super Bowl maybe twice in seven, eight years where you feel like, oh, that's ugly. I mean, you can't get to the red zone.
Let me ask, though.
The Seattle defense is formidable at home. Denver's defense is also pretty darn good. Sertan looks like he's going to play. They got the kid back off the exempt list last week. They're almost at full strength. I mean, is Kansas City going to be able to move the ball without Rasheed Rice, Colin?
Well, remember, Denver's not going to score much in the first half. Spags against Bo Nix. I don't care if Denver outplays them. At best, Denver leads 10-7. Like, they just don't score in the first half.
Who's been more impressive for you this year, Bo Nix or Sam Darnold?
Sam Darnold. He's my kind of guy. Throws the ball down the field.
I mean, he does have JSN.
Well, both have played Kansas City. Darnold crushed and Bo Nix was.
Well, Darnold was at home. Bo Nix was on the road. He fumbled three times. Lost one. Had to pick. It's a tough one.
I think this may make headlines. Can I get a one instead of a one and a half? I don't trust Butger at all. This to me reeks of like. 14-13, 17-16, something super classic.
Classic AFC West divisional coaching battle.
Yeah, it's going to be a little chilly, although I shouldn't play weatherman anymore.
Anyways, let's go to Caleb Williams for the final story, Colin. Caleb Williams, I didn't realize this, back-to-back 300-yard game since returning from the hammy, and he's got the Seattle defense Monday night in You never want to say game of the year week eight, but it could be on that level. Seattle leads the NFL in many defensive stats. Yesterday, Caleb had some high praise for Mike McDonald's group.
Obviously, that's the best defense in football right now for stats-wise and players and scheme. It's going to be fun for us. It's going to be a challenge for us, and we accept that challenge. They don't allow deep plays, so you've got to be as patient as possible. That's obviously hard, the whole game, trying to be patient, patient, patient.
It's a challenge for me. It's a challenge for our offense.
You look at that Chicago roster with Jeffrey Simmons now and Montez Sweat. Got the safety coming back in a couple of weeks here or so. When does the safety come back? December? Yeah. I'm telling you, you start stacking the roster now. Best player they have is Simmons. Second best player is Caleb. Third best player, Colston Loveland. Fourth best player, you start naming the players.
Wow.
That's a good stat right there.
Seattle has not given up a 200-yard passer this season. Now, some of these guys, you know, Brissette's not a starter. He is the starter in name only.
Look at Brock Purdy. Puttering Brock Purdy.
They did lose to puttering Brock Purdy, by the way.
Bo Nix, 107 yards.
Bo Nix is not good. I think we established that. They lost to Mariotta.
I'm just it's different yeah but caleb's also different than those guys that's right and herbert and the chargers are a shell of themselves um i think the bears so we like to talk offense defense i i think this is the best offensive mind currently in the league have you elevated ben above shanahan or well i.
Think shanahan does some things that I mean, Shanahan. I think Ben right now is the best offensive coach.
And then McDonald currently the best defensive coach or Flores right there.
I think I think you have. There's an argument. The best young offensive coach, the best young defensive coach will all be on display. And now by adding Jeffrey Simmons. the Chicago roster it's not Seattle but it's in the it's in the argument for the second best roster and I.
Would say that extra two days uh of rest for the Bears with the Thursday night game is massive.
Oh it's huge for an offensive.
Coach you know Seattle was only locked in on Kansas City the week prior that was every that was a massive game Kenneth Walker I I go Bears here I don't know if I can get that hook three and a half I don't need the hook I'm taking okay All right, big boy.
I like the confidence.
I think Chicago's going to be really good. Really good.
They win this outright?
They probably become the Super Bowl favorites if they win this in Seattle?
Well, I moved to a certain city a year and a half ago.
I know how that works.
How are the Dodgers doing since I left?
Lakers are 4-1.
Luka's already dinged up. J-Mac with the news.
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Well, here at the Herd, we're in the holiday Halloween spirit. I was thinking, you know what? What quarterbacks in the NFL give the league nightmares? You know, the guys who keep defensive coordinators up at night. Who do you want to avoid trick-or-treating in prime time? So, J-Mac, I've matched the NFL's scariest quarterbacks with their horror movie alter egos.
A little Halloween music. You give me the quarterback, and I'll give you their horror movie alter ego. Okay. Okay.
Who is your horror comp for Patrick Mahomes?
I think this is one of the easier ones. Michael Myers from Halloween. Inevitable. Relentless. Just when you've killed the drive, he pops right back up.
Okay. What is your horror comp for Josh Allen?
How about Jason? Friday the 13th. A pure physical powerhouse. breaks tackles, makes you regret going to camp this year. Who is your horror comp for your buddy, Caleb Williams? Pennywise. Turns broken plays into highlight horror films. Just when you think you got him cornered, he takes another form.
Who is your horror comp for Drake May?
Well, let's, you know, New England's got such a rich history. How about Ghostface from Scream? You're reinvigorating a former horror classic. Critics debate the revolving cast around him, but he keeps delivering strikes.
I like it. Who is your horror comp for Sam Darnold?
Slimer from Ghostbusters. Timer Darnold has seen plenty of ghosts in the past. Now he does the haunting.
Oh, I like it. I like it. Who is your horror cop for Aaron Rodgers?
I gave this some thought. Pinhead from Hellraiser. A cerebral dark philosopher. Operates with calculated precision. Inflicts slow burning pain on doubters and the media. Terrifying.
Who is your horror cop for Matthew Stafford?
Somebody with some age to him. How about Norman Bates from Psycho? Unassuming, mild-mannered. Possesses a cold-blooded side that attacks when you least expect it. Mother would be proud. And finally, who is your comp for Joe Burrow? Dr. Hannibal Lecter, I presume. Silence of the Lamb. Smart, sophisticated, composed. Studies your weakness. Dissects your protection. Then each, you alive on the side of Brett Favrebeams and some nice Chianti.
Ah, that's good, good, good. All right, so Colin, we did the villains. You handed out all those awards. But we came up with a victim. of a horror movie. Are you ready to see the victim of.
The horror movie?
Let's show him. The unserious quarterback.
The overconfident character who wears his hat backward and insists the rules of a horror movie don't apply to him. Almost always the first to get picked off. Hat backwards, unserious guy.
You know, I've had that hat backwards theme from Johnny Manziel. To Dan Quinn. And people will send like a singular picture of a hat backwards guy. And my thing is, no, that's not what it is. It's when you think of the guy, do you think hat backwards? Remember the guy that coached the Lions? The ownership made him turn it around. Pat, Matt, Patricia.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The rocket scientist.
There's quite a run on hat backward guy flailing.
It's entered like the lexicon. It's a hat backwards guy. And they think of, you.
Know, your take.
Well, my take is right.
That's one of your stronger takes in the history of the herd.
I never forget the first time I did it, Steve Spurrier was listening to me, the old ball coach.
Yeah, yeah.
And he went to his weekly press conference. He was at South Carolina, and he said, you know, I think he's right on that. I want a guy that runs the operation. I always say this. I don't care if you're doing it to clean your garage. What I'm saying is if you are the face of a franchise– Or Jamie Dimon at Morgan Stanley. Or the head of NVIDIA.
There is a certain presence that matters. And we all know the hat on backwards is kind of a frat bro thing. Again, if you're a frat bro, go for it. I don't mind. I will say the story of the day, beyond the Brewers winning the World Series here on Fox, was there's a position in this league that there's unbelievable scarcity.
And if you look at the last 25 years, the NFL draft gives you a couple of franchise quarterbacks a year, about one great one. The only position in this league that doesn't even give you one great one a year is defensive tackle. I mean, that's why you can all name them. If I said, give me the best five defensive tackles, everybody goes like Reggie White. Aaron Donald, Jeffrey Simmons, Randall from the Vikings for years. There's just not many of them. It's hard to find that kind of relentless, good feet, 315 pounds. Simmons leads the league in everything.
I mean, everything. Sacks, pressures, hurries, fumble creation. He leads in everything. And so I think Chicago, you have the rookie, talented rookie, rookie quarterback. You've drafted most of your offense. So you're kind of inexpensive on offense. You're not paying Colston Loveland. You're not paying Luther Burden. You're not playing Roma Dunze. You're not paying Caleb Williams. Your right tackle's great.
You're not paying your offense yet. That means Swift, not much. Your seventh round, running back at a Rutgers. So the offense, by and large, is big play offense. It's cheap. So their take is, let's go buy Montez Sweat. A couple years ago, let's go pay for Jeffrey Simmons. And so for this offensive coach, he's like, hey, I'll draft and develop the offense. Sometimes I'm not a defensive guy. I'm going to help my DC. I'm going to go buy elite defensive players, which... you know, that's a little Pittsburgh Steeler, but I will tell you when your coach is this gifted offensively, and can squeeze every ounce of talent out of virtually every offensive draft pick, then go pay for defensive stars.
So let me, like, I'm with you. I agree this is a good deal. I do want to push back. Last year at the deadline, we saw two teams make splashes. The Dallas Cowboys got Quinton Williams from my Jets, and the Colts traded for Sauce Gardner from my Jets.
Okay, so let's start with the first. Cornerback and defensive tackle.
So let's start with the first. Dallas Cowboys do not have an elite coaching staff that can get the most out of Quentin Williams. In fact, their defensive side of the ball is egregious. Offensive side, they're fine. So if you're going to buy the Bentley, you probably should have a garage and not park it outside. So Dallas says, let's get Quentin Williams. And then you go cheap on the D.C. So that explains that. The second one was.
Sauce Gardner to the Colts. Now, that was unlikely. Unfortunate.
Sorry.
Daniel Jones goes down.
But I will point out, Quinnen has not shapeshifted that defense.
They did draft Caleb Downs. They made a couple other moves.
Generally speaking, the first thing I look at, there's two things I look at when you get a great player at the trade deadline. Is he good in the room? Is he a good guy? Jeffrey Simmons, six-time captain. Like, don't bring in a disruptive to a young team that is molding its character. Don't bring in trouble. Simmons, a great guy, team leader. The second thing I look at is, will he be elevated by the coaching staff? Dennis Allen may not be the head coach guy. Tremendous coordinator. Mm-hmm.
I mean, Ben Johnson's a bright guy. He could have hired anybody. He went and hired Dennis Allen. He is, after Brian Flores, he's one of the more aggressive, scheme, flexible guys. So I get a really quality guy in a great locker room with the kind of defensive coordinator that can elevate him or at least get the most out of it. By the way, he was great with Saul.
Simmons is the rare guy that the coach doesn't matter a ton. I mean, Josh Allen. Kind of going to be successful.
Let me ask you, Jeffrey Simmons or Chris Jones? Jeffrey Simmons has been far more dominant.
He has.
I mean, listen, Jones in his prime was unstoppable. Simmons is not that far behind Aaron Donald. When you start looking at numbers, constant double teams, constant pressures. Go look at the Jeffrey Simmons-Nelson from the Colts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A couple weeks back. Nelson, go look at that matchup two weeks ago. Simmons dominated.
Somebody cut it up online. It's pretty ugly.
I mean, it's not that bad for Nelson, but Simmons did own him head-to-head.
Simmons is an animal. This is a massive pickup.
Now, I don't know if you think he'll be able to start this weekend or maybe just play a situation like.
I think he knows how to play the position.
You just thrust him in and he's doing so many snaps?
I'm not asking him to be a wide receiver and have timing routes for the quarterback. I'm saying, be you. We'll figure it out. It's exciting.
What a time to be alive in Chicago.
The NFC.
I want to move there.
Bears, Niners, Seahawks. Top of this league runs through the NFC without questions.