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A conversation with Kenny Schachter, plus Sketchbook B, Zora's content coins and Rodeo's USD pivot
Kenny Schachter joins Leyla, Jay, Jamie & Ivan to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, content coins and Rodeo's pivot to USD. 01:00 - Welcome Kenny Schachter 03:20 - Building an audienc
Jack Butcher: this episode may or may not be notable
This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word. 00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher 03:46 - Jack
Toxic positivity within the space, are panel discussions boring? Leyla's wallet boycott, Jack Kaido and SuperRare
01:20 - Recap on William Mapan's SOLOS exhibition in London 05:00 - Mapan's holistic artistic approach 07:40 - Are discussion panels boring 14:20 - Embracing browser discrepancies 22:00 - The artist's intent vs breaking emerging standards 2
The Deviates secret revealed (SPOILERS), Chat GPT's Ghibli moment and life with personalised slop machines
00:58 - The Deviates aftermath 02:15 - Unpacking the process 03:45 - The secret 06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration 10:50 - Battling platform censorship 13:50 - The reveal 16:45 - Great art can come from anywhere 20:20 - Self-expressi
Opening the sketchbook: A conversation with William Mapan
01:22 - A complex practice 05:30 - Reflecting on Sketchbook A 09:50 - Parenthood on creativity 12:15 - Slowing down and escaping a framework 16:00 - Building bridges and the importance of physical work 19:48 - The evolution of Sketchbook B
Blue chip art in a red chip world, Jeff Magid and traditional perspectives, converging towards consensus
01:30 - Jeff Magid 08:50 - Discovering another world 16:25 - Becoming a collector 19:15 - Risks and rewards 24:35 - Breaking convention 28:40 - The future of the art world and digital art 36:19 - Value creation and a complex market 39:55 -
Hot deals or falling knives, the pullback and its cultural impact, thinking about historical context
01:03 - Hunting for deals 02:47 - A market slump's effect on cultural enthusiasm 06:40 - Reassessing pricing and expanding the collector base 10:10 - Buying the top and catching falling knives 14:26 - Managing liquidity 15:46 - Navigating t
The Giraffe, pretension vs fun, building in the space and the team's 2 ETH picks
03:00 - The Giraffe, debate, drama and narrative 07:37 - Understanding and the value of participation 11:19 - Pretension vs fun 16:15 - Freedom of expression and new value systems 22:43 - The Funny Guys, Monk Antony and Le Random 25:48 - Hi
A conversation with Alejandro Cartagena, competition and collaboration, curating AI Agents and the power of machine artists
01:40 - Embracing Web3's rollercoaster 03:20 - Navigating the intensity and finding a balance 07:57 - Living parallel lives 10:20 - Understanding new value systems and cultural shifts 14:14 - Opportunities within a lack of bureaucracy 18:00
Unpacking Geometric Fluidity, concept vs aesthetics, SuperRare's Discord closure
01:45 - Unpacking Geometric Fluidity 04:28 - First steps and markers 06:52 - Community, creation and curation 09:58 - Proof of participation 12:00 - Tensions and criticism 16:25 - Building conversations 20:29 - Over indexing on complexity 2
Botto post-performance, the Christie's letter, art vs slop
01:02 - Big sales and moving beyond the bubble 02:27 - Considered acquisitions 04:15 - Botto evolution and the afterlife of the work 07:09 - Thoughts on the performance and the final 22 13:41 - Community, interaction and curation 18:15 - Th
Is marketing the new curating, navigating the algorithm, chain dynamics
00:40 - The market's impact 03:15 - Chain choices and complexities 12:00 - Early constraints and historic value 15:20 - Is marketing the new curating? 17:15 - Defining curation 19:16 - Communication, context and narrative 23:20 - Difference
Simon Hudson on the future of Botto and the power of the DAO
02:20 - p5 and the evolution of Botto 10:22 - The future of governance and Botto's agency 15:00 - Navigating the new agentic landscape 19:25 - Botto's economy 23:50 - Responsibility, conviction and longevity 25:51 - Simon's motivations 31:5
Mario Klingemann on the evolution of Botto
02:40 - Building and hacking systems 09:35 - The birth of Botto 14:10 - The importance of the DAO 18:30 - The evolution of Botto in the face of new AI development 20:40 - Botto's persona and longevity 25:30 - Styles, themes and periods 27:5
AI and the art market, emerging artists, Kim Asendorf's PXL DEX
01:25 - Crazy season 11:25 - Kim Asendof's PXL and an upward market 21:47 - Thinking about emerging artists 26:25 - Striking a balance 31:26 - Tabor Robak's Tabcorp Labs 36:24 - Verse Rundown 39:16 - Artist Highlights 40:49 - Digital native
Breaking new ground with Botto, Ivan heads up Artist Rooms, the Rodeo continues
00:37 - Ivan heads up Artist Rooms 01:50 - The excitement of a more open schedule 03:04 - Curation and focus for Artist Rooms 07:19 - Flexibility, freedom and consistency 11:13 - Thinking about what to show 14:54 - A difference in approach
Rodeo takes off, defining importance and "the" list
01:38 - Breaking down the list 03:40 - Context matters 07:06 - Liquidity and rarity 10:37 - How to define importance 16:10 - The problem with 'the' list 21:08 - Trickle-down economics and potential positives 27:34 - A split in the space, Ch
Predictions, collecting and curating in 2025
06:49 - Trends and predictions for 2025 07:20 - AI agents and their continued impact 18:51 - The decline of metas 26:24 - Expanding the definition of art 28:56 - An increased tokenisation of art 30:57 - Barriers to entry for the space 36:58
Team picks and highlights of 2024
01:38 - Highlights and Lowlights 22:23 - Collector of the year 30:44 - Influencer of the year 40:25 - Blockchain of the year 46:10 - Controversy of the year 59:15 - Most though provoking piece of the year 01:01:46 - Series of the year 01:05
Looking back on 2024, systems art vs object fetishism, platform tokens
01:23 - Signs for the year ahead 04:52 - Looking back on 2024 10:11 - Buying, selling and thinking about a collection from a market perspective 13:21 - Reflecting on the last year at Verse 17:10 - Institutional and populist approaches towar
Inside TABCORP LABS: a conversation with Tabor Robak
01:14 - An overview of Tabor's career to date 04:19 - The common threads 07:25 - Physical vs digital 12:39 - Scepticism from the traditional space 15:41 - Working at a web3 pace 18:44 - Conservatism in contemporary art 25:30 - Broken Printe
Art Basel & shl0ms recap, 'drops' vs ongoing releases, do curators need to be collectors
00:38 - Art Basel Recap 04:12 - Online vs irl connections 07:40 - Reflections on Security 19:59 - Release mechanics and artist growth 32:15 - The value of network effects 38:48 - Do curators need to be collectors 45:25 - Basel Recap pt 2 51
Release Dynamics, PFPs and community, discipline to collecting, Shl0ms is God
00:48 - Are we back? 04:25 - Collector confidence 11:14 - New entrants to the space 13:17 - RTFKT closure 17:20 - PFPs, identity and community 29:33 - Meme coins and risk 34:07 - Dynamics of fractionalisation 44:45 - Network effects and OEs
Reflecting on the Banana, memes and virality, gearing up for Miami, the final act of Shl0ms' Security
01:08 - Jay's experience as an artist 10:00 - "Anyone can art?" 16:59 - Reflecting on the banana and its impact 21:12 - Memes and virality 27:11 - Brain Rot and the speed of culture 36:31 - Traditional conceptual art and NFTs 40:00 - Bullpo
AI agents, meme coins, Marfa recap
01:18 - Marfa recap 16:45 - Artists, meme coins and marketing 23:04 - Financial nihilism and Sterling Crispin's post 26:54 - AI agents and their cultural impact 31:05 - The importance of human connection 34:46 - Framing agent developments,
Virality in art, shared cultural realities, navigating the market
01:09 - Sentiment check 03:01 - Navigating the market 09:07 - Platforms prepping for the bull 15:45 - Twitter discourse 17:54 - Art and virality 22:18 - The impact of virality on a creative practice 30:15 - Cultural parallels from the mains
Investment funds involvement with institutions, ethics in the space, $BAN fall out and Paris Photo
00:31 - Sentiment in the space 03:10 - Paris Photo 11:44 - $BAN and Michael Bouhanna 17:20 - The responsibility of leaders in the space and public perception 25:04 - The most significant work of the 21st Century 28:18 - Mechanics of museum
AI season, Botto's evolution, artist meme coins, ArtBlocks partners with OpenSea
00:29 - Sentiment in the space 02:31 - Art Basel report and movement in the wider art world 07:18 - Cattelan's banana and artist meme coins 15:50 - Sh0ms' Nothing 17:37 - AI season 19:54 - Botto turns to code based generative art 24:14 - Th
Artie Handz news, ArtBlocks Curated returns, Foundation's Pivot
00:33 - Artie Handz news 05:03 - The realities of running a platform in the space 10:07 - Has being platform side shifted Jay's perspective 11:53 - What's next, new Artie Galerie shows and Jay's own series 15:01 - The two sides of the space
Frieze rundown, are fairs still relevant, the bleeding edge, emotion versus technicality in art
1:52 Sentiment check 10:45 Shl0ms, energy and the market 15:05 Frieze rundown, are art fairs still relevant? 20:48 Combining a digital and physical approach 23:40 Confidence in marketing work 25:20 The importance of a physical space 30:54 T