9. Seven Havens: "The Envoys Part Two"

0:00 We've finished a two-parter.

0:02 It's about time.

0:04 On this episode of Seven Havens, we tackle chapter nine, The Envoys, Colonel Part 2. Baller name.

0:12 Is it?

0:13 Yeah. We talk about how Geeks got kind of a human arm. Uh, we cold call somebody. We sure do. Someone who we've never talked to before. And they answer. Which is always so good. It just shows you uh what real friends are. We think that the Karthik and Kyoko love train has definitely uh it's been derailed.

0:33 It's soured, it exploded.

0:35 Uh Nisha went for it.

0:37 Sure did. And I'm gonna say right now, I think we could have done a better reveal of Nisha as the Avatar. If you want to hear more of this, then you do, and I have a hot take about what I think the anomaly is, and I might be late on that train of what the anomaly is, but I have my counter theory to Katie's theory from several episodes ago.

0:58 All right, shave your head, give yourself an airbender master's tattoo, and let's check out the Envoys Part 2. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Oh, that was beautiful. Let's go.

1:23 Welcome everybody to Yip Yip. What's this called? Yip Yip.

1:28 Yep, yep, yep, yep, and yip, yep. This is a celebratory we we celebrate birthdays on this podcast. What?

1:35 Okay, this is Yip Yip Hooray, an Avatar podcast. I'm Katie.

1:39 What's up, Katie? Who are you? Who you? I'm Mr. Katie.

1:45 Wow.

1:46 Some people call me Jordan. Jordan, why are you on this podcast? Because I had a wild hair in 2020 before, pre-pandemic, to spread the spread the gospel of Avatar the Last Airbender. But when Seven Havens and Avatar Studios was just a twinkle in Brian Kanitsko and Michael D Michael Dante DiMartino's Little Eyeballs.

2:07 That's true.

2:08 So I am an official Nickelodeon super fan, as in Nickelodeon cast me for a couple things and called me a super fan. And I just kind of went, okay.

2:20 Yeah, and it changed your whole perspective, I guess.

2:25 I don't think it did at all.

2:26 No, that's true. My perspective? Maybe okay. It feels like it's super late, but it's not.

2:32 I am Katie's acting like it was like when we watched the pilot episode.

2:37 She's like, it's two in the morning. Yeah, it feels like that, but it is definitely not.

2:41 It's not 8 p.m. My brother's probably about to wake up for the day. So this is a Seven Havens podcast currently, and we just finished a good, solid part two climax. Chapter 9, The Envoys, Part 2. And I'm gonna say half that episode was a stinker.

3:02 Dang. I mean, okay, I think it ended, and I was like, yeah, I was happy with it, but it didn't feel as good as part one.

3:10 No, part one was a very, very good episode. It ramped up the tension. It was just such a good pay. Obviously, we talked for 45 minutes about it last week. Right. And I just think we let the air out a little bit. And I didn't there was some there was a weird animation thing going on. I don't know if you picked up on it.

3:27 You know I didn't. But I almost feel like it was B Squad until about the last third of the episode. Like after there was like an act break that happened, and act three of this episode, it just seemed like everything was cleaner. We were really like hyper focused on facial expressions, movement, different angles, and just the first part of it just seemed so flat.

3:49 I mean, okay, now it was like like the niche face that they like, and they gave her like a funky face.

3:54 Oh, it was like a fishbowl, like a fishbowl lens. Yeah. When she's like staring at the anomaly. Is that when she was staring at down? Kind of gave her like a fishbowl. I don't know. It was for it was for Gen Alpha. They're they were eating that up. Great little cocoa puffs for them. So the episode starts, and Ugum, which I wrote that down phonetically, so now I know how to pronounce her name.

4:14 Ugh. That was Ugam.

4:16 Ugum. So Ugum. I'm really struggling with the names in the series.

4:21 And you know, we still got we still got a spoonful of names in this episode, but I'm I'm a little more positive about Ugum. Okay. So Ugum, in the in the time that it took for Envoys Part 1 to end and Envoys Part 2 to begin, she's taken off her, she's done her hair up, she's got a turban on, she's gotten rid of her mask, she's just like kind of changed her whole vibe.

4:41 She's walking on tables. It was just like the whole vibe of the opening of this episode, it just wasn't working for me. And the thing for me with the benders, like they just threw these weird like handcuffs on them, but I'm like, they could bend with their feet. So many benders bend with their feet. Top could like bend with her mouth.

4:59 I mean, it was like they were just standing there. I did not believe it. I uh thumbs down on that.

5:06 Dang.

5:07 I think this whole setup, I think it was a terrible way to introduce Nisha as the avatar. Yeah, it was kind of a letdown. I feel like if they had put it into how good the Envoy Part One was, I think it would have been a killer. I think maybe it's what I talked about. Like when you get two parts of an episode, you know, it's not something you're used to doing, and so I think they had a little bit too much space with a part two.

5:35 Yeah. They were like, oh, clearly what needs to happen in the part two are like these three things. Right, these are the beats we need to hit, but like and it was not enough to sustain the full narrative. So I think there were parts that were really good, but it's a whole package. I didn't love it. It it totally returned to the Jedi'd me after after our Empire Strikes Back.

5:55 Well, but that's to be expected, right? Okay, well, besides you feeling lukewarm about it. Uh I feel like there were so many cards revealed, and by so many, like, not so many, but it was just like, I'm the Avatar, and it was like, yeah, we're the White Lotus, and like, I don't know.

6:12 I was definitely surprised that we announced that we're the White Lotus. Not like this is a child, let's protect her. Like, we don't know this person, or I mean, even Karthik could have been like, oh, I didn't know she could do all those things.

6:25 Right. Again, we were just like revealing a lot of cards, except for Jay.

6:29 Jay's playing it close to the chest, baby. He's got the long game. What'd you think about what do you mean? Jay Jay's not turning on Karthik. He's playing the long game. There's no, I mean, it's so obvious that he he's doing everything to be a man on the inside. Jay knows that if he's a cog in the machine, even if he's pretending.

6:48 Lying to his boyfriend. Lying to his boyfriend.

6:50 You know, Datu. You know, he's just gonna fine. He's gonna forgive. Forgive and forget. Yeah. Uh, I don't know, I don't know if Karthik and Kayoko.

7:04 No, no.

7:05 There was a moment where I was like, okay, maybe we can work this out. But now I feel like she was it the she flipped a switch.

7:14 Was it the part where she just told him to murder Karthic and his compatriots? It was like, well, you know. It was the line like end him or end them. And obviously Jay was like, uh-oh, let's let's all lower the temperature right now.

7:30 I think that that was a good move to be like, right, I'm arresting you, but I was like, well, is she gonna take him out now that he's arrested?

7:36 I don't think so. You know, I don't think Alora will will definitely be as barbaric as that. I think in the moment, 1000%, but because they were able to like officially subdue him, like a body was on top of him versus we're all like staring at him. But we got a a close-up of Ughum as she walked away after Nisha had announced herself and the faceless is just like we're out, where she definitely seems conflicted.

8:02 So I feel like they are going to try to meet up or she's gonna try to like I think yeah, I think they're gonna rendezvous in the desert.

8:09 And I think, yeah, that's who's gonna continue her training.

8:13 Yeah, yeah, I don't think we're done with her. So now I kind of think that Nisha and Puffy, I think we're on two different paths now with these two. But do you think it's gonna go on for the rest of the season or just like a couple episodes?

8:27 Right, like maybe they're gonna have a different experience. Like Puffy's gonna get more of her like avatar training.

8:35 From what? The from Jay. Oh, Jay's not gonna be able to do anything. I don't know. Well, we got demim. Well denim.

8:43 Puppy was like on the like rainbow road, you know, rainbow road. Getting like it's like, I guess in the spirit world, but I was like, oh, it's like this is so nice, like the symbolic of like here's the chakras. I'm like, oh, you know, and obviously the world's out of balance, so we need to like balance the chakras, and it was a nice visual for me.

9:01 Okay, so that was one of the strongest parts of the episode. And puffy is just see, she's such a goober. She's like, Oh, this is new. Like, she's the first avatar that kind of reacts to things like that.

9:13 Yeah.

9:14 I think probably because she's so unaware of everything that it entails to be the avatar. Like, Aang didn't get to finish his training, but I think he kind of knew like some spiritual stuff. So when he has his moment on the rainbow road.

9:26 Well, there were conversations about it, right? Like, everybody has had exposure of like, this is who you are, this is what it means, blah blah blah. And then you had Dirt Girl being like, I'm just doing my own thing, and then it's like, oh, well, my twin sister or whatever, she's the avatar, and I am just here, and maybe I can do stuff too, but I'm not really the avatar, she is.

9:47 So that I'm actually curious about that. Like, is there a scenario where Nisha and Puffy take like two different paths with Avatar ship? Like, maybe Nisha's more like the traditional avatar, and Puffy is in the scenario where she's kind of like a spiritual chakra-oriented avatar, like a new type of avatar.

10:07 I mean, that'd be okay. Well, and I liked, you know, during that crazy fight scene where she's like on the outside being like, oh, how can I like help Nisha without being seen and see? And I told you, I had some theory that was like, oh, maybe she will she'll avatar. She'll avatar from the shadows. She'll avatar from the shadows.

10:26 I think Nisha was like tearing that's that place apart. I at one point I was like, she's just gonna like defeat everybody by like destroying the building. I thought it was going down.

10:35 Man.

10:35 Okay, but back to what I also think is one of the most important parts of this episode was the anomaly showed up, Big Angry Square, and it's like glitching out. And I don't know if we've seen it like glitch out before.

10:48 Yeah. But was it because there was so much fear going on?

10:53 Right. But then obviously all this fear triggers it. And so I'm curious if it now if the anomaly is this manifestation of the thing that's blocking a chakra. And so obviously, survival root chakra, I think the anomaly is I think what we were shown was that the anomaly is a representation of the root chakra.

11:16 And I think fear and mass amounts of fear summons it because it just shows that that blockage is occurring or it's getting worse. So I think that I mean, where are you at with that?

11:28 And I think that makes sense. I don't think I had thought about it at that depth because then you're like, well, it's affecting the people and the the the afflicted or whatever. And so what's up with that? I think it's like a symptom.

11:43 You know, I think it arrives, and I think it's just like I think it wants to be healed, and I think it sees that path through Puffy, probably particularly. But Puffy and Nisha together. And so I think it it like getting people, I think is more I don't think it's intentional. I don't know.

12:00 Yeah, I think like puppy and Nisha together, I think is like a more balanced thing. But I do enjoy that you know, puffy is like facing it like to from my perspective, she's like she's scared of it, not like everybody else. Like her relationship with it is a lot different.

12:17 I mean, yeah, even Nisha, like she, you know, had fishbowl lens, like kind of went to it not willingly.

12:22 Right. It's like this is my duty, I will do it.

12:25 Like Which led to a really cool scene where she's like being sucked up into it. Like, I think had we not had subtitles on it, would have been pretty striking shot with that.

12:34 It was still striking.

12:36 But when Nisha was hanging out with the anomaly, which I now believe is the is just the root chakra, and it's just some sort of manifestation of that. So when she interacted with that, again, she kind of had this weird like her body was red, her eyes were white. It was this weird, like, chakra-induced avatar state.

12:56 And I'm curious if that's going to be something that is implemented throughout the series or at some point in the series, like once you heal a chakra or something, like they're gonna get some sort of like ability or power, and maybe she'll be able to be able to heal the afflicted then.

13:09 Also, total side, but were we sandbending as that was happening?

13:13 I do believe Ugam was sandbending, but I get the animation, man. I just it's not as cinematic as previous series. There's just something about it that just feels a little off, and I think it's because Studio Murr JM animation, like the that lineage has been broken. You know, the French, what do they know about martial arts?

13:34 Oh my god, maybe something.

13:36 But yeah, she was sandbending, and I think it's this a deeper moment of like, oh, so maybe some of these like sub-bending things still exist in this world. Metal bending, lava bending, right, flying, as just in Alora were being shown so few things, and maybe Alora's like keeping them, you know, with being a fear-based society, they're holding themselves back from advancements.

14:02 Yeah. Well, what did you think about you know, the faceless and like their whole thing where it's like we just want to like be able to have free will, right? And make our own decisions about what we want to do.

14:14 I think conscription, like that word being thrown out, was really powerful. Like, you know, the fact that we've seen since the pilot of this series that if you are a bender, you don't even have a choice. Right. But you know, they they put a they paint a pretty picture, like, oh, it's such a great duty.

14:29 See see Alora, see the whole haven. So I mean, I agree. But again, it's it's a it's a good example of you know, both of these uh factions have different ideals and they're just manifesting them in like the extreme ways. Like, do I think that all the benders should leave and go to on this wild goose tortoise chase?

14:51 Maybe not. Should Alora be conscripting all the benders? Also, probably not. I don't know, what do you think?

14:58 I think again, I think there could have been a conversation about like right, this is what we want. And like I still like unfortunately I think Kyoko wasn't in the best space for that. And oh, she was blindsided, you know. I'll give her that. She was blindsided, and I think it's very you know, I think her intention is good, right?

15:18 Like she's trying to do a good job and trying to like just be strong, you know, and sometimes people are that, right? You're like bringing down the hammer, but I think when you do that sometimes, you just you can't have an honest conversation, you can't look in the mirror, you can't say like, yeah, this is like traditionally what we've been doing, and like you know, it's kept us safe all this time, but yeah, like maybe there is room for change, and like, right, maybe people should decide what they want to do or whatever, or that there could be maybe they're not doing it all the time.

15:50 I don't know, whatever. But yeah, so I guess I'm happy. I'm happy some people left. Like, good, and hopefully by the end, we're gonna re-evaluate and get our chakras figured out.

16:01 I was pretty disturbed on the switch with Kayoko, and just like her true nature was maybe shown that you know, she can put on a pretty face, but you know, when push comes to shove, she is going to obliterate any and all obstacle in like what she perceives like the ideal world to be.

16:19 Yeah, I mean, and even like at the end when Jay was like, okay, well, like what does that mean for Alora? You know, and it was just like, right, just that.

16:28 It's it's all about the survival. I think we're just gonna survive.

16:30 We're gonna survive, and it's like, right, that just means like kind of a cremmier life for everyone else.

16:34 It's like more restrictions and it's a very conservative approach, and I think that does come from a fear base. It is interesting, this theme running through of the sacrifices in your life when it's fear based. And I know you're looking at me like here's this guy on the mic, and he's he's run by fear.

16:54 My root chakra, it's all blocked up.

16:56 I don't think it's as blocked as as it used to be.

16:59 Oh, that's true.

17:00 So, no.

17:01 I do have a correction to make from the previous episode, the Envoice Part One.

17:06 It's too late, you can't.

17:07 I have to, and I just I need everyone who's listening to know when Katie took her evening bath last night, I got on the mic because I said something stupid that I edited into the episode. I was talking about the great divide, and I said, Oh, it's amazing that they packed so much in 22-minute episodes.

17:24 And on the re like when I was listening and editing, I was like, Oh, what? 22 minute 22 episodes? Yeah, I meant to say 22 minutes, but I said 22 episodes.

17:33 Wow.

17:34 Anyway, and I was like, it just sounds stupid. So then I like synced it up. But the thing that I actually wanted to address is I kept saying avatar tats, which I kind of like. I also like avatar tats.

17:44 Maybe you and I should make avatar tats.

17:46 Avatar tats. So many people have avatar tats.

17:48 Yeah, but you and I could make, well, temporary.

17:52 Well, hey, hey, hey.

17:53 Temporary avatar tats.

17:55 So I was talking about Yesha Yesha, the Empress of Feather Mountain.

18:00 Oh, yes, which I saw her tats today.

18:02 Okay, you saw the tats, her avatar tats. What I meant to say was airbending tats, but I kept saying avatar because when I see those tats, my little tiny teenage brain goes, Ang was the avatar, and he had tats.

18:18 It's true. He was really upset about it last night. It's like he just wouldn't stop talking about it. I feel like going to bed, it was just like I couldn't sleep.

18:27 I woke up and I just like had drawn like arrows all over the bedroom in blue crayon.

18:32 Hmm.

18:32 It's crazy.

18:34 Well, thank you for clearing that up. I think we're all better for it.

18:37 Okay, another thing that we've learned, we learned a little bit more about Republic Forest. That was interesting.

18:43 That they were like, okay, and we're piecing out to Republic Forest. Were you surprised?

18:47 I was surprised that they made that announcement. I like that we uh learned about it in the previous episode, but what uh was interesting also is they were saying that it's like the quote unquote lost haven. Like they threw that out. And so they haven't had contact with this haven in an indeterminate amount of time.

19:05 So we don't know what's been going on there. Maybe they have. Well, I no, it didn't seem like it. I mean, it just seemed like no one really has info on Republic Haven. Republic Forest.

19:15 Maybe they've had the Avatar the whole time.

19:17 They have another avatar? No.

19:19 The triplet? No, I'm saying the whole time. Like they've had it up until like nine years ago.

19:25 Oh, so you're saying Republic Forest had avatars.

19:29 Maybe.

19:30 I think there is a theory that there were more avatars since Korra.

19:34 I mean Yeah, because I feel like everybody else is like, no, there hasn't been any and blah blah blah, and like we're all like scared of the avatar, but maybe.

19:42 Well, because they did say I thought the cycle was broken. Right. So, okay, so what do you think? Do you think okay, so back to our theories that we start we said at the beginning, like whether Korra was in suspended animation, whether the girls were from the past and they like shot through time and space to arrive here.

19:59 Or have we had avatars and they've just lived and died? Where do you think we're at? Like which which scenario do you think is appropriate?

20:08 Hmm. You can't put me on the spot. You're the avatar super fan.

20:12 Uh allegedly. Okay, I'm busting out my cal my calculator app right now. It's been 225 years since Korra.

20:18 So we've had what, three avatars?

20:19 So if we think there's a f there's a full, there'd be a full cycle, so there'd be four. So I mean, 56 years. I mean, hard life, being the avatar, give or take some of those. I mean, we could have had four full avatars since Korra.

20:36 Yeah.

20:37 And we've just looped it on back to Earth. Back to dirt, girls.

20:42 I don't know. I don't even want to make a prediction.

20:45 I still feel like it has to be. I mean, it would be it would be too weird to be like, oh, and here are the four avatars you missed out on.

20:52 Right, right. I could see. And you feel like you feel like the White Lotus kids would know something.

20:56 Well, I don't know. The White Lotus seems a little disjointed, and maybe we don't know how long the White Lotus has been operating, I guess.

21:04 That's true. There is like just a lot of unknowns. Anyway, I feel like we're gonna find out.

21:09 You think we're gonna find out? I think we're gonna find out.

21:11 Well, you know, it's gonna be the new premiere of the next three.

21:15 That's true. This has been the series finale of batch three, and we're about to watch the series premiere of batch four. This is really complicated for everybody listening, and I'm not going to apologize for the weird things we've come up with.

21:25 I just feel like it's kind of like inside joke, but like if you've listened to anything else with us, and by anything, probably everything. Okay, I'm just gonna stop. Um, I do want to say I was just really sad with like Kayoko and like how betrayed she felt, and like how kind of like fearful she is. And it's the same.

21:46 I obviously it's just gonna trigger like a chain reaction of questioning everything for this woman.

21:52 And it's it's different, but like it's kind of like in Avatar the Last Airbender. I've seen it when uh

22:01 When Zuko betrays Iroh and Iroh just looks away. That was the best betrayal. That was so much better than this betrayal. When Azula kind of like is more isolated and feels kind of betrayed by her friends and it's like So you're talking about in The Boiling Rock where she's about to take everyone down and destroy them, and then Mae and Ty Lee are like, uh-uh, girl.

22:24 Well, I guess I'm talking about after that.

22:26 Oh, so the finale where she's like, I'm cutting my own hair.

22:28 I'm talking about the finale, and she's kind of like, right, I don't need them, and blah, blah, blah. And like just and just like what happens when you feel alone or betrayed or like you can't trust people. So I feel like there are like repercussions, you know, from that. So I don't know. I'm not feeling optimistic about what's gonna happen with our girl.

22:52 No, I think I think we've lost her. I think we've lost Kayoko.

22:55 I mean, I hope I'm wrong, but that's just what it feels like right now.

22:59 I uh almost feel like this season's gonna end, and I kind of feel like we're gonna cut ties with Alora and we're gonna hit the road.

23:07 Yeah.

23:07 I feel like Alora's gonna be a one and done that we probably revisit at some point. I don't I don't know.

23:14 Yeah, I could see that. That's probably a good, a good prediction.

23:18 So we touched on it a bit, but Nisha's reveal as the Avatar, like what happened for you?

23:23 Lackluster a little bit. Like I was like, I was like, oh God, you know, like here it comes. And I was like, well, I was kinda like waiting for it, I guess. You know, it's like she's like eavesdropping, you know, she's she's hanging out in the corner, like listening to the spiel, and then obviously they're like, We're out of here, and no one's doing anything.

23:47 So, you know, it was nice that she was like, I you know, I'm a person, I have these skills, I can do something. You know, and so I appreciated that she was like, Yeah, I'm doing it. For a second, I thought maybe she'd keep it in check and not do everything and like be defeated when she was like in the sand.

24:04 I thought she was gonna accept it also and be fine.

24:08 But no. And I I don't know. I just you know, being like, Yeah, I don't know, like what was her goal? Just to be like, Yeah, well, I'm the avatar, so like bow down.

24:19 I think she was just trying to throw out some tricks. I mean, obviously, when you're avatar, you have four elements at your disposal and not just one. And so clearly we're doing earth bending versus you know sand earth bending. So, I mean, there was only so much you could do, but if you're like shooting fire, you know, blowing some air, like you clearly have an advantage in a one-on-one fight.

24:40 But also no one else, I feel like Nisha was so many of those benders could have just jumped in and they could have helped well helped Nisha or helped Ugam. Right, you know. I don't know. It just it was a kind of a bummer way to reveal that. And I almost feel like it would have been stronger if Nisha had just like come in like guns blazing, like doing all the elements like coming down.

25:02 Like, I think that would have been more striking and more just like ridiculous than what we got. But obviously the way we did it was to it was like a slow again, it was too slow of a reveal, like, oh no, Ugham can bend. She's a sandbender, she's alluding that you know, we have knowledge that exists outside of this place.

25:21 And then I think the first thing she bends is fire, right? I think she just shoots it out of her mouth.

25:26 Yeah, I was like, And it wasn't even like a cool amount of fire. It was like, yeah, it was fine, you guys. It was fine.

25:34 Yeah, but it was it was disturbing, but also very reflective of real life when you know you have like an anamira confrontation and then something else shows up that's like what you perceive as like the worst thing ever, and then you just drop everything that you're doing to focus on this new catastrophe.

25:52 Right, like everyone just forgot entirely about the issue that was at hand. And I thought that was like a bummer way to like end this like faceless story.

26:02 Yeah.

26:03 Like it just I think it took away like their power and what was going on with the ambassador envoy dinner. I don't know, the whole thing was just kind of weird for me.

26:12 I'm sorry, you know.

26:14 It's not your fault.

26:15 Okay, also, is Puppy still an Allura?

26:18 Geet grabbed her, and I was surprised that Geet had like human arms. Yeah. Well, I mean, funky. It was just like watching Geek like scoop her up and like kind of piece out. Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, I think she's gonna be an Alora soon.

26:32 Right, she's an Alora. It's all gonna be on lockdown. Nish's out of there. So, but then I don't know.

26:42 I think Jay and Puffy are gonna have to like get together or meet up or something's gonna happen there.

26:47 Right, and maybe she'll be like, I'm not a bender. Oh, it's like, oh, you just look like the avatar. Oh my god.

26:54 Oh, that's interesting. Like, I didn't really think about that. Like maybe they'll come after Puffy because they think she looks like the Okay, that's a good one. When Nisha got, you know, when she contacted, when she became one with the root chakra anomaly thing, it looked like she got a vision of like a mountain that had uh like the little angry cubes built into them.

27:15 It was like kind of a nothing burger, like it didn't really look like anything. But I'm curious if she was getting a vision of like where to go or a vision of the future. Like, what do you think that was about?

27:26 Yeah, I thought I thought the future, but I don't know.

27:30 But it was just like a mountainside with cubes coming out, unless I didn't like I mean that's what it looked like to you, right?

27:35 That's what it looked like to me, but you know, hey, as we established, it's super late.

27:42 Okay, what is in the future for the white lotus? Because we saw like water white lotus toupe boy.

27:49 Jail.

27:51 Well, we saw white or white lotus boy, you know, the I'm gonna bend my tile into your cup.

27:56 Yeah.

27:56 He did you see him? Like he kind of gave like a like a condescending look at our at the at the OG White Lotus, and he like walked away. So I mean the white lotus is still going to exist.

28:07 Right, because not everybody was involved. Right. It was like the three OG that was like, Okay, we're here. Now we're getting got pummeled. Yeah. But I guess that's how secret societies are. You're like, yeah, we got 'em. Like, nope.

28:23 I do think that that moment was, I think, the the most tense for me. Like, I remember watching that being like, oh, what's gonna happen? And then like also protecting Nisha was also nice. And I think it was nice that no one ever like shamed Nisha in that setting.

28:36 Yeah, I thought that that was good too. And a part of me, I was surprised somewhat, but I'm like, I guess it makes sense if Nisha was just like so defeated by how everything went down and everyone's reaction to her. Because again, she's just been like after all this validation and you know, being like, well, if I just like reveal myself and then people can like be happy.

28:57 And reveal myself in a helpful situation. Like I yeah, she was she clearly saw her opportunity. Like, this is how we redeem the Avatar. Like, I come down and I help you all out. And that was not what happened at all.

29:11 When the other three are trying to like protect her, I mean like right, she's not participating. But she could she could have.

29:17 Yeah, yeah.

29:18 But you know, so that was good that Karthik just, you know pushed her out, blew her out.

29:24 I yeah, I didn't really think about that because I I think yeah, she was just feeling down. Like she was just feeling defeated and couldn't even couldn't even help. Yeah. And it's interesting too, because like clearly these girls can't tap into the avatar state.

29:39 Mm-hmm.

29:39 Which I don't know if there's gonna have to be a reason for it because their chakras aren't aligned. Yeah, I mean that's true. In the world or just themselves.

29:50 Hmm.

29:50 Maybe both. I think there's probably something there's something goofy with the avatar cycle, and so I don't know if we're gonna be able to access it. Because, you know, Aang Aang gets frustrated like doing my math problem, and all of a sudden that arrow starts to glow, you know? Mm-hmm. So they're they don't have access to it, I think is what's going on.

30:09 Yeah. Yeah.

30:11 Well, what do you think is in the future?

30:15 I think Puffy is going to try to Well, it seems out of character for her to like try to investigate this like root chakra thing, but I think based on the episode title, she's gonna try to get to the bottom of what the anomaly is because Kyle, clearly she hasn't like come back. You know, she's still like passed out.

30:34 I think she's gonna try to figure it out because I feel like it just keeps bothering them.

30:39 The world.

30:40 The world where it's like, hey, like what do you want? And what do you want from me? What do you want from us? And no, I think she's she's a problem solver.

30:48 Yeah, I we like that about her. I think Nisha she's gonna end up getting together with Ugam and the Faceless, and I think she's gonna join up with them. I think Jay isn't going to lay all of his cards out to Karthik, but I think he's going to imply that I don't know, maybe he had good intentions. I think there might be a moment there.

31:05 Mm-hmm.

31:06unknown Yeah.

31:07 Yeah. I mean, did you think Karthik was going down?

31:10 I thought there was a moment where we could lose Karthik. But now I think, you know, because I was I was wavering on whether Karthik was someone we could trust or not. At this point, I feel like Karthik is pretty like we can trust him for Avatar-related things, I think. Yeah, as I was saying it, I was like, well, maybe it's for his own own design.

31:30 I don't know. Oh my god. I'd want to trust him.

31:33 Yeah, I don't know. He was he was with the faceless the whole time. He was like, yeah, run. I don't even think he'd be with the faceless.

31:40 He'd be with something else, like something on a global level. I don't think we're gonna see Republic Forest in this season. I think we'll probably see more or learn more about it in the next season. Whatever book two. Book two, pleasure, as we've established the second chakra. So the next batch, we're shifting away from three episodes, and we're they're dropping four.

32:04 Wow.

32:05 So the end of the season is gonna be four episodes, and that's not even a trilogy, that's a quadrilogy. That's what like Alien was for a while. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't worry about it. So the next, the last batch of episodes until I don't know, next year, two more years, eight more years.

32:22 So we've got chapter ten. Wait, this is the last. This next week is gonna be the last.

32:28 Whoa.

32:28 Be there, be there, be there.

32:30 I'm gonna be there.

32:31 Okay, we got chapter 10. Ghosts and spirits. So that's our next episode. So what do we think is gonna happen? Ghosts and spirits.

32:40 Well, you know, just piggybacking off our zombie episode.

32:43 It's gonna get even spookier. Well, this comes out on the 30th of the Halloween. No, October 30th. Close to Halloween. I think ghosts and spirits implies that someone's going to the spirit world and someone is going to be like haunted. Not haunted. Mom and dad. Maybe. Okay. Which I don't know. That would maybe imply that they're dead.

33:02 So I think we're gonna touch, we're gonna get something in the spirit world, and I think we are going to experience some like flashbacky type thing. Like, not a real ghost, but yeah, so that's an interesting title.

33:15 It's gonna be Korra. Well, maybe.

33:18 I I'm excited. We have chapter 11. Battle of the ruins. So I don't know if that's gonna be like the old world ruins that we were in, like earlier with the faceless. I don't know if those are the ruins we're talking about. Unless the ruins are Alora and something's gonna really gonna go down. Or Nisha finds more ruins out in the desert.

33:41 Maybe the harshlands, thank you.

33:43 The harshlands.

33:45 But I mean it could be something because we didn't really investigate, you know, our primordial anomaly goo. So we could go down there for something. Chapter 12 is gonna be the dome, which what's that mean?

33:59 Republic Forest.

34:01 Republic Forest is in the dome. Ooh, maybe they're under the dome. Maybe we put a dome on Alora. Or we find a dome. It reminds me of Lost when they had the hatch, and the hatch was like the craziest thing. Like, oh my god, the hatch! It was all we talked about for like half a season.

34:17 Okay, what's the finale?

34:19 Ooh, but dome could also imply airbenders. Maybe Jay's getting his tattoos because the dome is your head. Oh. So the dome. Oh, they're at Forest. We're gonna check whatever. Stop saying we're going to Republic Forest. We're not going to Republic Forest.

34:33 Where do the airbenders live?

34:35 The air temples?

34:37 No, the gal.

34:39 I don't know if she's all the airbenders. Feather Mountain.

34:42 Feather Mountain.

34:43 Is the dome?

34:44 Okay. What is the finale title, please?

34:48 Do you remember?

34:49 What? No.

34:50 Why would remember from when? Chapter 13 is called The Root Chakra.

34:56 Oh, yeah.

34:59 I don't know. I uh I have a good feeling about this. And my my good feeling about the end of the series season. Hope it's not the end of the series. Season comes from just how strong after the last airbender book one water ended. Like Wow. Siege of the North part two was my gateway was my gateway drug.

35:22 And it's why I am the way I am today. It's because of the season one finale. I mean, I was like, what have I been missing out on?

35:29 Well, just wait until you watch the root chakras. I'm you might be enlightened.

35:34 I I could be.

35:35 It's gonna get rid of all that fear. Well, you know, nobody asked for it, but he's very proud.

35:47 I really wish I had like two more notes, just like right. Yeah, I just want I want whatever comes after that.

35:55 Come on, come on, just a little higher, just a little higher.

35:58 I had someone ask if I'd watched The Envoys, and I had to tell them we'd only seen The Envoys part one, and I was in no mood to talk about it.

36:08 I know, and they tried to talk about They tried to talk about it.

36:12 They sure did. So we'll see if we get to talk about it anymore right now. Can you hear that? Those sweet, sweet jingle jongles. I'm hearing it. Come on, jungle. I don't think it's gonna happen. I think we've been defeated. Hello? We haven't been defeated! Caden, guess what? You're our secret surprise collar again?

36:35 I guess you're not the collar. No, I'm the collar. Unless you're wearing a collar, like Shakespearean collar.

36:44 Oh, I like the frilled one.

36:46 Yeah, yeah, you're kind of Shakespearean. I like that about you. I could wear that. Alas, sweet Yorick, whose lips I used to kiss.

36:54 I I don't know any quotes.

36:56 You don't know any Shakespeare? Hey, Caden, the other day you said, hey man, if you watched the Envoys, I've only seen the first part. And we were like, yummy too.

37:05 I've now seen both parts. How about you?

37:07 Okay, so if we, what'd you think? Give me some hot takes.

37:11 You know, I find it. I'm I'm excited to see more of the spirit world, you know?

37:17 Well, I don't know. Are we in the spirit world? We're in the cosmic we're in the cosmic realm, I think.

37:23 Okay, that's very that that makes more sense as well then.

37:26 Okay, then what what is the anomaly?

37:29 I have no clue.

37:30 You don't I think it's a representation of the root chakra.

37:35 Okay, I can see that. See, I it could go in so many different directions that I am just curious on where it goes and how Nish and Pavi fall into this whole thing.

37:48 Katie thinks the anomaly is their parents.

37:53 Their parents who are jewelers.

37:56 Yeah, well, I think that's a mystery.

37:58 Oh my god.

37:59 This this contempt for jewelers. Hey, every kiss begins with K. Oh yes. How dare you? Okay, yeah. So what's gonna happen in the next episode? Ghosts and spirits.

38:12 I don't know. That's what it's called.

38:14 I feel like Yeah, surprise, spoiler alert.

38:16 How dare you? I feel like we have to adventure deeper into whatever Republic Forest is.

38:24 You I don't think we're gonna do that next episode. I guess we could, but I feel like we're I feel like we're far away and travel is different.

38:30 I feel like it's like a spurny sort of area that we're gonna go through.

38:34 Well, probably, but I feel like the uh the faceless, they only have like camels. They they they're not gonna go very fast. They're not rocking your biceps. I don't know, you can't bend that fast. I'll show you some standbending.

38:49 Which I loved.

38:50 Oh, you're happy with sandbending.

38:52 Yeah, you know, I'm an earthbender to my core, so I love seeing all the different types of earthbender.

38:57 Wait, you uh you consider yourself an earthbender?

39:01 Yeah, what what would you consider me?

39:03 So cash. Well, I guess uh he's homie. I thought water. No. No. Fire?

39:10 Oh my god. I think this plug. This definitely tracks.

39:14 Man, see, I don't I just don't know people. No, guys, Jordan doesn't get it. Yippers, this is the first time.

39:19 I don't think I got that weighty power, you know.

39:22 You're grounded.

39:24 Yeah.

39:25 And stubborn.

39:26 Caden. What is Caden? What did you think about Nisha's big reveal?

39:33 Of her showing off that she's the avatar. I feel like she's wanted to do it for a while.

39:39 Just wanted to rip that band-aid off.

39:42 Yeah. I I'm interested in what the approach with Pavi will be.

39:47 I think she's going on a spirit journey. But Katie was also like Katie's also like, she's her twin. They're probably gonna go after her.

39:55 That's fair. But she wears her hair differently, so you know.

39:58 Yeah, just like twins. You change up the hair and you're like, wait, who are you?

40:02 Exactly.

40:03 Okay. Well, I'm gonna say I think the reveal of Nisha was kind of a letdown. I think they could have done a better job.

40:10 I in exactly the fashion that Nisha would have wanted it to happen, you know? She wanted to just show it to everyone and you know, kind of sucks. What about what do we think Jay's gonna do?

40:21 Oh, he's definitely not really betraying them. He's playing a long, he's playing the long game.

40:26 100%. After that link from Carthing, I think he's wait, did they wink?

40:32 I he like sort of I think he like kind of furrowed the the eyebrows.

40:36 Like I don't know if it was yeah, like a wink, but it's definitely like a hey, play along sort of look, I think.

40:42 Okay. I liked when Jay stuck out his tongue and went. That was my favorite part.

40:48 I really like Jay. I was looking at because I was like, oh, his voice sounds familiar. And so I was looking up who his voice actor was, and it's apparently the guy who did chowder.

40:58 What? Yeah, like voiced actual chowder? Yeah. Wow, talk about a throwback. Wow, our boy. Well, that's a that's a hot take. Thank you for ending this on such a high, Caden. And of course. May you may you earth and sandbend and one day metal bend to the like the best of them.

41:19 Sandben the Sandman. What?

41:22 Oh, yeah, okay.

41:23 Like make people go to sleep.

41:25 Yeah. Oh, oh, it's happening. Oh, good night, Caden. Oh, thanks for calling us. 99. No problem.

41:32 I'm glad to be your caller.

41:33 Yeah, hey, love you.

41:35 Love me too.

41:36 Bye.

41:37unknown Bye.

41:39 Clearly, don't know my brother. If uh I just found out that he uh thinks he's an earthbender.

41:44 I mean, I'm surprised you thought water, but we didn't.

41:47 I was going zodiac signs. Like he's a you know, he's got that, he's a Pisces. I thought that's what we were doing. Also, I didn't love that he said Nisha just wanted to show it to everybody.

41:57 You know, there was yeah, okay.

42:00 You know, we're not perfect.

42:02 I think it's time to just wrap this whole thing up.

42:05 Let's put a little bow on it. So thank you, Yippers, for sticking it out. We got our first two part, our only two part of this season, and maybe our only two-parter ever. Ever. Who knows? So, friends, if you have someone in your life that is enjoying Avatar Seven Havens, please feel free to share this uh this podcast with them.

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43:15 And that's called Explorer Gonians. Link in the show notes. Let's talk to you guys next week. Enjoy your Halloween, get spooky, shave your head like that girl at Oregon State my my first year there, and take some Crayola marker and do a really bad arrow. And then maybe someone will talk to you about it.

43:31 Or maybe someone won't ever talk to you about it, but then we'll talk about it on a podcast like 10 years later.

43:36 I mean, hopefully.

43:38 I like that. Okay, get out the clippers, shave those heads, and let's go to the dome.

43:44 All right, we're signing off.

43:46 Adios. Yep, yep. Love you. Stay safe.

44:04 Well, I love a camel.

44:05 What about camadillo?

44:07 I love a camadillo even more. Camadillo? You wanna ride one of them camadillos?