9021CO-Host: It's Gabrielle Carteris!

0:02 It's 90210-OMG with Jenny Garth and friends. OMG, you guys. Today we have a very important and special guest with us today. I am so excited to tell you that the one and only Gabrielle Carteris, Andrea Zuckerman, is.

0:24 In the house. OMG!

0:29 I love this so much. You are my co-host for today, and I couldn't be more happy about it.

0:35 I am, first of all, so excited to see you. You look beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

0:39 You look beautiful.

0:40 Thank you.

0:41 I can't stop staring at you.

0:42 That's good, because we're going to be doing this for a little while today.

0:46 Okay, good.

0:47 So I'm glad it's not painful.

0:49 We're going to recap. We're going to recap an episode.

0:52 Okay.

0:52 So did you watch it?

0:54 Okay, so I've watched it a couple of times. Let me tell you why. Wait, do you want to recap? First of all, I... Wait, wait, wait.

1:00 You watched it a couple of times? Of course you did. You're just so professional. So like, you're so on for it.

1:05 Well, I don't want to let you down. Like, I'm like, you know, first of all, Jenny, I didn't watch the show after I left the show. So this is for me. I was stunned. Why?

1:14 Why?

1:15 Why?

1:15 Let me ask you why. Why didn't you watch the show after you left?

1:18 Well, first of all, after I left the show, I went right into my talk show.

1:21 You were a little busy.

1:22 And I was working and I had my... First, I had Kelsey, and then I was pregnant with Molly. So I was pregnant, a mom already, and I was doing my own talk show. And as you know, because your schedule is quite busy right now, there is not always a lot of room for those moments, personal moments. And that was not the priority for me. I was off the show, and I had to work. I had to, like, make it all happen. So I literally just. Yeah.

1:51 It all makes sense, but tell me honestly.

1:53 Yeah.

1:54 If you did have the opportunity or the time, would you have wanted to watch the show after you left?

2:01 Not really. Just to check in. It's not because I didn't want... Look, I didn't watch the show when we did the show, right? I know. Me either. Look, you're busy, right? And it's a lot going on. And no, I probably would not have, you know... Look, I was too old for the demographic. You know I was older than all of you anyway. I'm kidding.

2:24 Was there like any yucky feelings? Like, I'm done with that. I can't look at that. I don't want to be, you know, I don't want to feel a certain way when I watch it.

2:34 I think if, maybe if I had watched it, but I literally didn't even, it sounds terrible. What I did was I missed you guys, but I didn't think about it. I mean, I was like, I hit the ground running so hard.

2:45 Which is amazing because I'm sure choosing to leave the show was, It was risky. It felt risky.

2:51 I felt like I was jumping off a cliff. It was really scary for me to leave the show. First of all, it's hard emotionally. I'm a very emotional person, as you know.

3:01 I love that about you.

3:04 You tend to tease me about it, but that's okay. But it was really emotional. You guys were such a big part of my life. And then to leave and to go and to do something I've never done before was daunting and And I felt like I was, I just, it was just, it was really painful to leave to say goodbye. It was really exciting to think about starting something new. You know, like I felt like how amazing to be meeting all these new people and experiences and then having my, I mean, just juggling it all. You were busy.

3:39 You were living the life. But did you, would you, did you ever have for a second regret that you left the show?

3:46 Oh yeah. Well, I'll tell you what I really miss. I miss being with everybody and I miss getting the paycheck. It was like, that was really hard. And then when I left the season after I left, you guys all got like bumped up big raises. And I was like, man, man, that could have been me. What was going on? But yeah, I think, you know, look, there's a comfort in being on the show. Like the one thing about being on the show is I get up in the morning and I knew what my day was like when I left the show, I had to make my days happen. You know what I mean? I had to, whether, you know, when I was doing the talk show I did for the year, or if I was going to do a show just to work on it, you know, I did

4:28 a lot of TV movies and stuff and doing some film and I was doing, I had a lot of stuff on my plate. I had to make my life happen. It's different when you're on a show. I mean, there's a sense of real comfort and like.

4:40 Yeah, it's like a routine.

4:42 Yeah, like people go to work every day. You know, as actors, we're lucky if we can go to work every day, right? If we get into a show or situation that allows us to make a living, we live such precarious lives. And so I did, I missed that security and I missed, you know, I missed the comfort of home. I missed all those things, but I think that I made a really good choice. You did.

5:07 Did you miss Brandon? You love Jason, of course, but did Andrea miss Brandon? Should, do you think Andrea?

5:16 Yes, they should have. I think it was really, you, you should have.

5:20 Had a relationship with Brandon. I go like this, like, I don't know. That's probably dirty.

5:24 Oh, it is in sign language. No, I won't say it. But you know what? There were different things. I felt really empowered by saying no to Brandon because he had not, you know, He had rejected Andrea, so that was at one point, and then he wanted to be with her. But, you know, the only reason I think that it would have been great was because I think that it was the...

5:48 Andrea wasn't the, quote, pretty popular girl. You know what I mean?

5:52 She was the smart pretty girl.

5:54 Smart girl. But they didn't... You know, so I think they denied her some things that are really... It was such a... There was... It was so stereotypical, right? Everything was so stereotyped about she's a nerd, so the nerd would get it. She'll be the best friend. They didn't break out of doing something like, wow, that's a mind blow.

6:17 That's great. It wasn't like setting... It was too comfortable. The way they would write sometimes was just the most obvious.

6:26 Well, your character was originally so driven and so success-oriented. She wanted... To go and, you know, do all these great things. And then your character had a baby, got caught up with Jesse.

6:40 Well, because God forbid a young woman get pregnant and not have something. I mean, there was a lot of things they set up because it was just trying to be really open-minded, you know, like we're going to really be supportive. And then the other part of it was, uh, you know, this is, this isn't socially, I mean, I, I always heard from this show, always from the show, I mean, was, you know, middle America, we've talked about this middle America doesn't want this. And so they were always, always touching the edge and getting into safety. That's why when I watched this episode, which was nine, you know, so I, it was four years after I had left because I was up to the, you know, I did the fifth episode and I mean, fifth season. And I

7:22 was like, Oh, The stuff was going on was.

7:26 Like, talk about. You had no idea.

7:28 Oh, my God. I mean, the fact that Tiffany slept with her mother.

7:34 Tiffany did not. Val.

7:35 Well, not Tiffany, but, you know. So I'm just going to use their names. And everybody's going to have to accept that I'm not, you know.

7:42 It's hard.

7:43 I can't do it. My brain can't flip.

7:45 I know there's crazy banana stuff going on in this episode. I have one more question, though, before we dive in.

7:51 All right.

7:52 Do you think that the storyline that Andrea ended up with was the right thing for that character?

8:01 You mean going away to Yale?

8:03 And being a single mom.

8:04 A single mom. That only happened later, the single mom stuff. I think that maybe probably when you're younger, that leaned to a possibility of what it would have been like. But I feel a lot of things about... I do. You know, I don't know that I'll ever come to peace. I have to, you know, through all the years now that we've been coming together to talk and be like when we did the reboot and doing like, you know, showing up in appearances together and just sitting together and being friends, you know, being together, I am much more at peace. There was a lot of unsettled stuff for me then. And I'm much, much happier now.

8:45 Was the unsettled stuff just like, um, self-consciousness or an insecurity about being in that position on that kind of show?

8:56 I think, yeah, kind of like it was life imitating art, art imitating life.

9:02 You weren't nerdy.

9:03 Well, cause I wear glasses, whatever people, I don't know. I think though that I think that I have a lot of self judgment too. And I'm sensitive about what people think about me, which is something I'm really like, you know, finally in my later years, Really trying to truly, not just to say, I don't care what you think, but to really be in a place like, that's just what you think. It's okay for you to think that, and it's okay for me not to.

9:31 It's so crazy because I always saw you as that person, the person that you are now.

9:38 Isn't that funny? And I think people always have. So the hardest thing for me is admitting that I need help or that I don't feel that way. And I think that I come off like so like confident or whatever it is, because I guess that's part of me that is, you know, I'm a fighter and a survivor, but I think that part of it makes sense.

10:00 In your wanting to help other people.

10:02 Right and I think that even wrongly righteous but I think that no but I think that um so because of that there's assumptions made about me and that I and I support those assumptions so like I tend to be the caregiver instead of allowing people to maybe for me to say, I need help. So I think that, you know, look, life is an evolution and I'm learning to say, Oh, you know, I, I just don't, I need help. Like I'm scared or I'm confused or I don't have this or, you know, things aren't all roses and that's a big thing. You know, like I think that, yeah, just being, you know, That part of me is real, but there's another part of me that's real, too. And I think I don't show that part. I just show the other part a lot. And, yeah, I'm learning. By

10:53 the time I'm 100, I'll be okay.

10:55 Yeah. We'll finally have it all figured out at 100. That's right. I'm looking forward to that. Okay, let's talk about this episode because, like you said.

11:05 I want to ask you something. How did you feel on the show? How did you feel about what your place was on the show and who you were?

11:12 I always felt great. Until I thought about it. Then I was insecure and fearful that I could get fired at any moment, get replaced by the myriad of gorgeous female stars coming through those halls. You know, I was definitely not a secure person back then. And the industry made that. Actually, I was a secure person going in.

11:42 Because I really.

11:44 I didn't have a lot of friends in high school because it wasn't just, it wasn't that important to me in real life, you know? So I was really secure in like, listen, this is me. And if you don't like it, go hang out with somebody else. But when I came into that Hollywood environment, that's when I started to get really insecure.

12:01 It's really tough, man. And it's not just what happens in the set, right? It's everybody around, even the, like the layers outside of you when you're going out to.

12:09 Be, yeah, 12. It's a tricky, tricky thing. Would you ever play Andrea again? Whatever.

12:16 Would you do a reboot again? Yeah.

12:19 What if you had the opportunity to play Andrea Zuckerman in any form, like your own spinoff or, you know, would you do it?

12:27 You know, I think it's just a name, so I would really– I would say to you it would depend what was suggested. Like, yeah, it's not– You need more information. I need more information. Because it's just like you're saying my name. It's like, what do you mean? If Andrea was really going to come to be birthed, I'm not her. But, you know, as an adult, like now, like what is that story? Who is she? Like, I mean, a name is a name. As a person, that's something different.

12:55 Right. But Andrea Zuckerman represents just that name represents so much to so many people.

13:01 Well, what would you do? Would you? Sure.

13:03 I'd play Kelly again. I loved her.

13:05 I loved what I saw in Kelly. So I was really, so again, I'm going to come now to this episode. I'm going to come full circle to why we're here.

13:13 Okay, good.

13:15 I was really interested in how your character had developed with a really clear voice. You were definitely a different character then than you were when we first started. As was, it was, I mean, I could go through everybody because I literally was like, So for you, like I thought there's the woman who's like she's taking a stand and she's got a voice and an opinion and, you know, righteous spirit, like what is good. And I thought, wow, how did that feel for you to be there versus when you first came on the show? Would you have been ready to be that character when you first started the show or did that character need to evolve?

13:56 Oh, she did. She had to grow up for sure. Because like you said, so stereotypical when we started, our characters were just, you know, fit in a box that the writers needed us to fulfill. And through making it over the years and years and years and years, we were able to just kind of like color in the strokes and, you know, make it the character just more three-dimensional, more real.

14:23 It was.

14:24 That was fun. That was the fun part. And it's so cool to be like in episode, season nine. And see, like you just said, the characters when they started out, like who they were and how they behaved to all this growing up and evolving that they did as, you know, just.

14:40 Even the acting changed.

14:42 Yes.

14:42 I mean, I'm telling you, it was like watching Tori. I was like, wow, talk about grounding. Like she really landed in a place that she did not begin. Right. That was a mind blow. That was, wow. And Ayan... I mean, when he got mad, he wasn't performing mad. He had a moment of, I was like, oh, wow, Ian, you're present, really in this moment right here.

15:07 Yeah, his vein was popping out of his head. That's how you know.

15:10 That's real.

15:11 Really mad.

15:13 And then Brian, who all I could see is, man boy, man boy. Because when he first started on the show, and he was so little, and his voice was different. I mean, he really... he grew up on the show in real life. You know what I mean? Like, wow, that was, that was amazing. It was just wild. And, and, and seeing Tiffany, you know, cause Tiffany came on, I think she was like the last, the last year or two years with me, you know, cause right. Cause Shannon left the third year. Right. So Tiffany was the last two years. So I was two years with her and to see her also just, I, And then I was also surprised, I didn't realize how Jason wasn't present during those episodes. Like, when did he stop being present?

15:59 Physically.

16:03 Oh, physically.

16:05 I was like, ah.

16:07 I know, I know.

16:08 It happened several times a season. We all checked out or, like, involved in our own lives, and it was hard to be present. I guess it just happened. Last episode, he left. Right.

16:19 On the ninth. Yeah. But so when he wasn't there for the whole, was he there for the whole ninth season?

16:25 No, no.

16:26 So that's not the last year.

16:28 He comes back in episode five of the ninth season and then he's gone.

16:33 I didn't know he was the executive. He was the only one who was the executive producer in the ninth season.

16:38 I thought that. They were pulling out all the stops to keep him.

16:41 Yeah. I thought that you guys all had made it by that point to be executive producer. It was interesting for me. It was just like a whole thing, but. So let me just come back to the storyline stuff.

16:50 Well, should we tell the people? Should we start the breakdown?

16:54 All right. Okay.

16:56 You do the breakdown.

16:57 Okay.

16:57 So thank you for that very wonderful conversation. I love you so much. This is episode four.

17:07 Episode four. Right.

17:08 This is season nine, episode four, Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It aired in October in 1998, the end of October 1998. Do you want to read the synopsis, Gab?

17:20 Okay, synopsis. Are you ready?

17:21 I'm ready.

17:22 Eve calls out Sophie for being a total scam right after catching her and David on a webcam. Brandon's in New York interviewing for a job. Donna hates to see her drunk boyfriend acting like a slob. Kelly meets a lawyer who helps Noah make bail and also recognizes something. Anyway. And Valerie makes a confession that could land her in jail.

17:48 So that's pretty subtle. That really does not touch on wow, the wow-ism of this episode. No.

17:54 We do it more for the rhyme.

17:56 Oh, so I should have done it differently.

17:58 No, not at all. It was perfect. Directed by Richard Donnell, written by Ken Stringer.

18:03 Stringer. I love that.

18:04 I didn't realize that. I love that, too. Oh, my gosh.

18:08 Okay. Okay.

18:09 Where do we begin? I mean, I like to kind of start at the top and just work my way through because that's how my brain saw it. So we start out with a heartbroken Gally. Can't sleep at night because Brandon's gone.

18:20 In the dark and you scare Tori when she walks in. Yes.

18:24 Well, her heart is broken for about five minutes.

18:30 I know. You made a thing and then I thought we were going to hear more about it. And I think you get one phone call from him, like the whole show. And that was it.

18:37 Yeah, but she's moving on, which I respect. She is.

18:41 He was cute.

18:43 Yeah. Oh, my God.

18:45 Daniel?

18:46 Yeah, the first time we see Matt Durning, attorney at law. Does he not look like a Barbie?

18:52 He is so cute. Just the one dimple. One dimple.

18:56 I was nuts about him. And always kind of in like a brotherly way. Never like any kind of off the set romance or anything. But I would just marvel at his cuteness. And his humor, his ability to make me laugh.

19:11 Was he on the last two seasons?

19:13 I think, yes.

19:15 And then did you guys have an affair?

19:17 Yeah, we get to be a couple.

19:20 Tell me. I didn't watch the show. I have no idea. Oh, my God.

19:23 Okay, so yeah, he comes in after Brandon, and he is there the last two seasons. And Kelly and Matt are together. And they're doing good, I guess. I feel like they're do-gooders. They do not end up together. I remember Kelly didn't end up with anyone. I'm asking for a friend. But you're asking the wrong person.

19:48 Because I haven't seen it yet either.

19:50 Because I never watched the show. I don't know what happened in the scenes I wasn't in. I don't even remember what happened in the scenes I was in.

19:57 But Ryan got married to Lindsay, right?

20:00 Steve got married to Janet. Yeah, they keep you clean. And Donna gets married to David. Those are the things I do now.

20:10 Okay.

20:20 So we get to also see the first webcam I think ever invented, which was fun. Is that what we, uh, the, the live webcam.

20:29 I know the whole thing with, um, do you think that's what, what is that thing that called fan, whatever?

20:34 Only fans.

20:35 Only fans.

20:36 I think it's a little different.

20:40 I don't know. She lays on the couch.

20:43 I mean, I actually wanted more to happen there. I wanted it to turn into OnlyFans.

20:47 Well, if it was one more season, one more season on that would be different.

20:50 Who knows? It might go that direction and neither of us have any idea.

20:53 Right, right, right.

20:55 Well, that's just... Okay, so what happened next? So then we see Sophie... Sneaking out of David's bedroom.

21:07 That was weird. You know what? That was weird to me. Why? Because I had never seen it, so I didn't know she was living.

21:13 You didn't know who she was.

21:14 Didn't know who she was. And then she's going off to, so she's living at Steve's house, right, with him because she needs a place to stay.

21:23 She's using him, basically.

21:24 She's using, yeah. And I get that.

21:26 But he's in love with her.

21:28 I know, but every night, like, she's going out to do that, like, every night with, I mean, I just felt like that. See, some of the stuff for me is, like, the relationship, there was good relationship stuff, and some of the story stuff was, like, eh, really? Like, every night she's sneaking out, going back to be with Steve, and then David is, like, and then I didn't understand, this was the thing I didn't understand, was when David doesn't want it. He wants to tell Steve. I can't believe it took that long to tell him. I know.

21:58 He cowered it out.

22:00 He cowered totally.

22:02 Because even like he goes to help them put their webcam in. Yeah. And he's right there side by side with Sophie and Steve. And he must feel like crap lying to his friend like that.

22:15 Yeah, but he doesn't do anything about it.

22:17 That's true.

22:19 And I was like, I mean, do they make up at one point? They must make up because you have to make the show go on. But how do you make up with that?

22:26 I don't know, man. It's going to have to be Steve moving on and being like, it's cool.

22:31 It's all right, man. I got you. I'll just, yeah. Well, I wasn't there, so I don't know. I was just kind of surprised about that. Every night she was like trying to sneak out. I mean, she would go back.

22:41 Yeah, her lies are starting to add up. And then she gets kicked out of Steve's. His eyes become open because he saw them on the webcam.

22:51 Yes, but then why did.

22:53 But I thought she covered it up.

22:55 What do you mean? She covered... No, yeah, but it fell down.

22:58 Oh, it fell down.

22:59 You watched it slowly be pulled down probably by somebody underneath the camera. But then what was weird to me, this was one, is that... So Steve comes up and gives all her belongings from the box to David, right? Mm-hmm. And David says, like, he turns to her like she's the she he had nothing to do with it. He goes like you lied to him. You can't come in here.

23:22 You got to go. I was like, wow, like that was a trip. Like he turned on her in an instant. He had no shame about what he was doing to his friend. I was like, that was like. He didn't defend anything. He didn't speak up. He didn't, like, you know, profess. I felt like he was using her.

23:41 He wasn't honest. He didn't defend her. He didn't stand by anyone's side. He wasn't a loyal friend.

23:46 And he threw her out. Like, I was like, wow, you are just, like, talk about somebody with no, like.

23:53 Scruples. None. And then he's on the radio, which, by the way, this whole, we're at the pee pad. And people get weirded when I call it the pee pad, but that's what we used to call it for sure. You're like, oh, I've got to go to the pee pad and shoot scene eight or whatever, you know?

24:09 It's so funny.

24:10 But then he's got this whole DJ booth set up at the pee pad. I didn't know that happened. All of a sudden, he's like a DJ there.

24:18 Oh, that wasn't a part of his thing? No.

24:23 It just happened. It just kind of happened at the pee pad on stage.

24:26 But she.

24:28 But he is calling– he's having callers call in.

24:31 I know.

24:32 That guy, Fred. The thread is them and kind of what he's living in his life. And then he starts dispensing advice. I'm like, oh, God.

24:41 This is not going.

24:43 To end well for these listeners. They're not going to get some good advice from David Silver. Sorry.

24:48 I felt like the way he treated her was really terrible. Like he was fine to sleep with her. He was fine to betray his friend. And then– suddenly his friend gets mad and suddenly he betrayed. I mean, I just felt like the whole thing was like, come on, you know.

25:02 It's gross.

25:03 Betray your friend, do it because you really, there's something you can't help because it's so deep. Like, don't be, that's how I felt anyway. So strong feelings about, you know, a show that was.

25:12 30 years ago. Everyone does. Everyone has strong feelings. Wait, what about your, okay, no, wait, one more thing about Sophie and David.

25:20 Okay.

25:20 She is getting up and sneaking out basically. And she comes back to him all like sultry and says, I have to go because you smell like thunder. I don't know what that meant. Is thunder smells good? Was that a good thing for a guy to smell like thunder?

25:36 Did she sound like, I don't remember that line.

25:38 She made it sound like.

25:39 It was good. Maybe he smelled like the outdoors to her.

25:45 I don't want that in my bed.

25:49 That's what part of the outdoor. I literally didn't catch that line and I watched it twice. I don't know.

25:54 Oh my God. It caught me. I was like, what does thunder smell like? I need to know now.

26:01 Well, you know, you have to give her a call.

26:03 But I'm sure you were super shocked at the Bruce, the mother, Val's mother's new husband who just slept with Val.

26:16 I'm telling you, I thought the storyline was appalling, to be honest with you. This is my real truth. Like, that was an appalling storyline. I felt like that. It was awful. I felt that's a terrible thing to put on for Tiffany's character Val. Like that was, I mean, that her stepfather raped her continuously. The mother who's, you know.

26:38 Who looks like. Her real father raped her and then she killed him.

26:41 Oh, it was her real father, her stepfather, her real father. And then, yes, I mean, that's like a movie of the week.

26:47 It's worse than a movie of the week.

26:49 I mean, it's terrible stuff.

26:51 Like, I'm going to sleep with my mom's husband the night before they get married.

26:55 And him doing that with her.

26:57 He did it with her.

26:59 And then the mother, who looks like that she's, like, so mean. I mean, I just can't even. And she's so, like, you know, and Val's saying to her, You know, you didn't do anything to protect me. I tried to stop him. I'm like, all right, you're pathetic. Yeah, she's pathetic. Anybody touched my child, you don't know how that would be the end of their lives. Oh, yeah. Like, I don't care. Like, done, right?

27:20 So here is this person like, I tried.

27:24 I think it was such a different time, though, like in the world.

27:29 I'm sorry.

27:31 That was like 20 years ago.

27:33 It doesn't mean anything to me.

27:34 There was no conversations around it. She probably didn't know how to handle it. I don't know. I just really loved watching Michelle Phillips.

27:42 There's people like that now. But my real truth is, a mother is a mother is a mother to a child. And I don't have room for that. So I was really shocked. I was shocked. And then I was shocked that the mother was going to turn the daughter, you know, to turn Val in to go because she murdered her father.

27:58 I couldn't believe that she admitted that she murdered her father. This was like a story.

28:01 And the mom was threatening her. Yeah. But it's just shocking, and it's crazy. Just when you think Val can't do something worse, even when she's like, I'm trying to be a better person, and I want to put that all behind me.

28:15 So I have to ask you, because I did not watch everything after I left. Was she always being put into these positions of being a terrible... That's terrible. That's a hard role. That is a hard role to play day in and day out.

28:28 And you can't... There's no... They tried to give her redeeming qualities based on her childhood, understandable. But she just kept doing worse and worse and worse by every one of the characters on the show at this point.

28:45 I haven't spoken to Tiffany for a while, but how was that for her?

28:50 I would love to know.

28:53 Yeah.

28:54 Because she was playing like a dirty, rotten person.

28:57 But you know what? She's not, I mean, what I saw wasn't a dirty, rotten person. What I saw was a lost, pained soul. Lost, yes. I mean, that's somebody who had been so hurt. And she tried to go and say it to her mom. She tried to, and he was just a scum. He's like, he's supposed to be the man, like, who's an adult. Like, ugh, I just feel like, ugh, repulsive. And then him begging to be with her, ugh, ugh, ugh. I thought the whole thing was ugh.

29:21 He's going to come back and be– he said, I miss you. And she's like, you don't even know me. Yeah, get away from me. But also, she kind of– it's weird because she was– like he said, it takes two to tango and that they were both in on this. But she kind of makes it look like he's the bad guy.

29:41 Well, did he, again, I didn't watch it from the season before whenever it happened. Did he seduce her? Was she like, did she seduce him?

29:48 No, I think she seduced him. In her words, she said, I looked at him, but he looked back.

29:55 I thought the mom, so Michelle's character, the mom, right? Val's mom. I thought she literally went, and I watched this today, I was like so surprised this didn't happen, when Val says, I slept with him. I thought the mom would have slapped her.

30:13 I was waiting for that, too.

30:14 Yeah, I was like, where's that? Instead, she just goes and turns away.

30:18 I think she's already slapped her in another scene.

30:21 Oh, I would have slapped. Are you kidding? You slept? Then, oh, there's the whole thing.

30:27 I don't know if I would have slapped my daughter.

30:29 I guess not. My daughter never would do that. I'm sorry.

30:32 I mean, that's... Wait, that didn't happen when you got married?

30:36 No. They were creepy. I don't know. No, no. Can you imagine? No.

30:41 Oh, my God.

30:41 No. Oh, my God.

30:42 I mean, you know what?

30:45 Oh, my God.

30:45 It might happen out there. Crazier things would have happened. But do you think that Val thought by telling her mom.

30:52 I thought she was trying to be loving.

30:54 Carl's a creep. And I was.

30:56 And I'm confessing this, telling you this.

30:58 And also I killed my dad. Do you think she's like, I have to say the truth so I can be free now?

31:04 Yeah.

31:05 I felt like that.

31:06 That's what I think. I think Tiffany's a lovely actress. I really.

31:10 Yeah. She was great.

31:12 Yeah. I thought she was great.

31:14 Then we have Donna and Kelly. Kelly really pushing Donna into renting like overnight. Renting this.

31:22 No, not overnight. In five seconds. You see a cute guy. You have a coffee in your hand. You see a cute guy. You go up and you say, I want to get a coffee. All right. So you just had a coffee, but that's okay. And then. He leaves. Oh, and he leaves and you go, oh, you should rent this space. It was not overnight. No.

31:38 And then the next day they are, it's already, they're moving in.

31:43 Yeah. Well, you make the call that day.

31:45 And Donna's like, wait, what, what is happening? What are we doing?

31:49 And we're going to be partners. I mean, talk about creating a storyline. We're going to be work partners. We're going to do it all right. I'm going to make the call right now, and then we're going to open this business. We know how easy it is to open a business, right, Jen? Yeah. It's just that fast, isn't it?

32:01 You just have to sign the lease.

32:03 All you have to say is, I want, and you have, right?

32:06 There's no- In this world, yeah. But I love that Kelly is that positive and like, we're going to go get what we want. I'm going to help you get what you want.

32:19 And you guys really became best friends on the show. Yeah.

32:22 They were always best friends from the get-go.

32:26 I think because you guys were more grounded in your work, it felt more authentic.

32:30 Oh, yeah. We spent so much time together, you know.

32:33 Well, that was really wild. Because I was really touched by or moved by just the shift that occurred in those four years of everybody's work in the way. It was really interesting for me. It was like, wow, that's really... How great is that?

32:50 And it was much more like believable because we were friends. We were together all the time. So it really came across on camera, which I love. So they get the thing. And then of course, Kelly, is faced with, you know, she asks this lawyer, Matt Durning, attorney at law, that's how I say it all the time, to represent Noah.

33:22 Right.

33:23 And then you, she meets, well, Matt, I think he's breaking some laws by telling her all about his client. And then he, she meets the client and he walks.

33:34 She knows, right.

33:35 She recognizes him from her work at the clinic.

33:39 So you worked at a clinic the year before?

33:41 Yeah, yeah.

33:42 I got that from the show. I didn't know that. Yes. And another thing.

33:46 She became this person that's like all about helping other people and gets very invested in other people's stories. And so she was really invested in this story. And then she sees the guy again. And then she gets pissed at her new boyfriend who she just met. They're not boyfriend and girlfriend yet, but they will be. And then she gets on her high horse and says, how can you be this kind of lawyer?

34:10 Right, right.

34:12 And he's like, everybody deserves, you know.

34:15 Well, I thought that was actually interesting. The way they had him describe it, it made him redeeming. And it, because in a way, you know, that's true. Everybody does deserve fair representation. That's the whole idea of our country, right? I don't have to like it. I don't have to, but I do think that that's right. And I thought it was great because it allowed your character to have a real position on something, a righteous kind of like, There is right and wrong in this world, and that's not okay for me. So you gave us where your boundaries laid, and then he was, look, I don't have to like it. The only thing is when he doesn't like...

34:56 So what is Donna's boyfriend's name? Noah. Noah. So Noah... See, I told you I don't know. So... idea that he doesn't like the fact that Noah wasn't you know was drinking and driving like he had an attitude about that I would have liked him to have a little bit of an attitude even though he's he's repping the guy you know the guy that you know as an abuser he's giving him his you know due process but I would have liked him to have a little bit of an opinion about it like.

35:23 Well he might develop one because I think Kelly's kind of opening his eyes to the other side of the story and looking at both sides Whereas I think he came from like this law firm where he was like a robot doing his job.

35:37 Yeah, but he did it for Noah. He had an attitude about it.

35:43 Maybe he will in the next episode with Lenny.

35:45 Oh, okay. Well, that I don't know.

35:47 I have no idea. Okay.

35:48 Well, you should know.

35:49 You were there. Of course, they create that instant, like that instant attraction. And then in the next breath, they create that instant like conflict.

35:57 You need the tension. You need the, right?

35:59 Yeah. But it just so happens so fast.

36:02 Yeah, well, everything happens fast because you've got less than 40, 43 minutes. Yeah.

36:09 After commercials.

36:09 With commercials.

36:10 Yeah. You have 43 minutes to get the story begin, middle, and end.

36:15 Let's get the story right. We've got to have it all done so you know.

36:18 I was kind of happy when the show started to really let the storylines bleed over into the next one and kind of became more serial than everything getting wrapped up with a bow at the end of every episode.

36:29 Well, you know, again, I don't know how it ended. I never saw it. I didn't know they did that. They bled into it. They bled into something. Look, my character was, you know, naturally pregnant through several, because I was, right? And the relationship bled through and changed with, you know, the guy. I think there was, it was always serial.

36:50 Yeah.

36:51 It was always serial.

36:52 That's true.

36:53 It was.

36:53 That's true. I mean, that's why I am so caught up in it. Like, I want to know what happens next week. And I can't imagine, I mean, and I'm trying, we are watching it, like, we watch one episode a week like you had to do in the olden days. You couldn't stream it. You couldn't like whatever, what's that called?

37:08 Binge watch it. And this makes it even more like tantalizing. It makes it more even tantalizing because you're like, I got to wait a whole week to find out if Brandon's going to come back.

37:22 Do you want that to come back? Do you wish to have more appointment television? That's why it's called appointment television. Do you miss that?

37:28 Think it's crazy because i i know that the industry is kind of experimenting with we were bend crazy everybody got to bend everything and now they're kind of switching and going hey what if we went back to that gotta wait a week yeah um which i.

37:42 Only you have to wait a week only for the next episode but you can bend you can wait the whole season and then just finish the whole thing.

37:49 Yeah that's a hack but it's yeah But I don't know what's going to happen. I know I just saw in the news today that Netflix is struggling because the short format is becoming so strong on like YouTube and TikTok. And so I think Netflix is freaking out because they were the one to bring us the binge watch, you know.

38:13 So everything's changing. And I think people are really like sort of just trying to figure out what's next. Predict the future, which you really can't.

38:22 It's been a struggle. Everything's changing in our industry, totally.

38:24 Oh, my gosh. Tell me about it.

38:26 We live in the glory years, my love.

38:30 Yes, in certain ways.

38:33 It was.

38:33 Very true. Wait, one more thing about the episode. What do you, how do you, okay, I know you just popped in and watched this one episode. How do you feel about the Noah character?

38:42 You know what? I can't tell, like, I can't tell if I like him or not. Was he a likable character?

38:49 Supposedly. Amy, my other co-host, she was hot to trot for him. She thought he was great. I've always been very on the fancy about that character. Kind of tottering between, I don't really care about him. And like, oh, he's so cute. I kind of want to watch him.

39:11 Well, I think he's definitely cute. It's not that. I just couldn't tell in this episode. And not because he was drinking and driving. I mean, his story is... you can understand where he's coming from, this painful thing with his father and all that stuff. I mean, that's totally clear. I just couldn't tell how I felt about him. And maybe it's because I felt like when he talked to Tori, like not to Tori, when he talked to Donna, that he, I felt like somewhere he had been emotionally kind of abusive to her in a way. I felt like, I don't know, there was something that, It was weird for me.

39:48 I think he's just a young dude who can't sort out his emotions from what's really going on right in front of him. I don't know. I'm just still not told.

40:00 I don't know. Like I said, I didn't watch anything else. It's just what I got from this one show.

40:06 And he's sentenced to... It happened so quick.

40:09 First of all, he was sentenced. That was no sentence. $ 1, 000 and then 12... Was it 12 weeks of... Come on.

40:16 And a year probation.

40:18 Yeah.

40:19 I don't know what the rules were.

40:22 When Donna says, it's a really tough finding. And I'm like, that's not tough. He was drinking and driving.

40:30 Yeah, he deserves to be. Yeah.

40:34 You know the person who played the judge?

40:36 No. Marsha.

40:37 Marsha. She, I bought, the house I live in was her house.

40:42 Nuh-uh.

40:43 Swear to God.

40:43 This house you're in right now is the judge's house.

40:46 Yes. Oh, my God. And years ago, she told me, she said, you know, I was on your show. I was like, oh, but you weren't on the show at the time. I was like, oh, okay, like, whatever. So when I'm watching the show, I'm going, oh, my God, this is Marsha's show that she was in. Yeah. Is that funny?

41:00 That's wild. Six degrees of separation. That's right. Like, what's that called? Simpatico.

41:07 Simpatico. Yeah. It's meant to be. Yeah.

41:11 Well, I'm honestly excited that Kelly and Donna are starting the boutique. I've been waiting for that for a while. I know some crazy stuff is probably going to happen with this creepy Lenny guy. Okay.

41:25 You do know. I don't know.

41:27 I feel like there was like some tense standoffy stuff inside. Now we're at this.

41:33 Okay.

41:34 But we shall see. But this episode had a lot going on, and it ended in Noah missing his dad, driving and crying, which I was really worried, was he drunk again?

41:46 Right, was he going to get in an accident again?

41:48 And Donna is in her house in the beach apartment reading his original eulogy about his dad.

41:55 Yeah, I wanted to hear the eulogy.

41:59 And in that alludes to the fact that he misses him. I didn't really get it with the way it was written. But I am assuming that that means with the tears and all, he's finally like grieving and letting the mourning process take place. Yeah.

42:16 Does he go through rehab and stuff in the later episodes?

42:20 I don't know.

42:22 Come on. You have to remember something.

42:24 If I'm going to remember something, it's definitely not going to be if Noah goes to rehab.

42:29 Okay. Okay.

42:32 Okay. What do you give it? What do you give it? What do I give it? You get a one to 10.

42:36 Oh, one to 10.

42:38 Oh, oh, oh God.

42:40 Well, maybe I'll give it an eight. I'll give it, I'll give it, this is how it is. I'll give it for, for all the ways that everybody really developed in their characters. I'm going to give them actually nines. Like really, really love that. Cause I, and I give, I don't give the full 10 because I have no idea what came after. So, I would say everybody really grew, so I really like that. The stories, maybe I would give it less because the stories are really, each story is a story, but it's too intense, too quick, too fast for me. So I don't know. So maybe I'll give it a, I don't know. I don't want to grade it. I don't want to grade it. What do you give it? I can't grade it. I can't because it's too.

43:25 That's the whole point of the game.

43:28 Oh, is it?

43:28 Yeah, we always give it like a, we give it a number.

43:32 All right, what's the number?

43:32 We like on Dancing with the Stars. We like hold up our pads.

43:34 What's your number?

43:36 I've been giving it.

43:37 Dancing with the Stars. This is for form. This is for creativity. We have different ones.

43:43 No, you don't. You get one.

43:45 No, it's a combination. You get one paddle. But when you do the paddle, it's based on all these different things. Right. Your preciseness was really great.

43:56 Form was really great.

43:57 Right.

43:57 Your arms look beautiful.

43:59 Right, exactly. Aren't you doing it now?

44:01 Doing it? What are you talking about?

44:03 Are you doing the Dancing with the Stars again?

44:05 No.

44:06 No.

44:06 What happened was I stopped watching it after my, like you, when you left our show, you didn't watch it again. When I left Dancing with the Stars on season five, I never watched it again. And I think that so much had happened. Traumatic things really happened right after I left that show in my personal life. And it was so traumatic, just like the filming and being on live and everything and all the feelings around that, you know.

44:28 I had PTSD from it, I think, and I just didn't want to have anything to do with it. But this season, I've started watching it again with Lola and my mom.

44:38 So I watch something that you are online because, you know, like I– Yeah. Right. And I watch and I'm like, oh, she's doing the show again. Oh, my God.

44:46 Can you imagine?

44:47 Yeah. No, because Ian asked me if I wanted to do, because he was in.

44:51 France doing it. Yeah, the France one.

44:53 And I said, oh, my God. I would have loved to. Do you know what? I used to go and, like, dance in the backyard. I loved dancing. I loved it. So I'd see the show, and I'd dance for Charlie. I'd say, if I was on the show, this is what I would do. I really. But I'd be the old lady on the show, because Ian asked me if I wanted to do it. I said, I'm going to be the old lady, like, when they had Florence Henderson on. Like, remember when she was on? And then he goes like this, like. Oh, we're going to keep her on. You know how they have the old person who's on there? They keep her on for the first three because it's like charity. Like, I don't want to be charity. It's like, oh, isn't that cute? Look how hard she's trying. Yeah.

45:30 No, I don't want to do that either. And also, these hips would lie.

45:35 My knees.

45:36 Your knees would lie. Different time. Different time. I can't believe Ayan did it again. He's a nut.

45:42 He's, you know, Ayan is nuts. He never stops. Nope. Never stops.

45:47 Never. Well, I think, I don't think I ever graded the show. I think I would give it a seven because the storylines are wackadoo, but I'm also excited to see what happens.

45:58 All right. So maybe I'll go and I'll, I'll watch the next time. You'll send me, you'll send me the next one and maybe I'll like come in and tell you this is what I thought.

46:07 I love it. Having you here has made me so happy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

46:13 Thank you. Thanks for inviting me.

46:15 Thanks for jumping back in after not having watched it and then like being so game to jump back in that you watched it two times.

46:23 Two times. I'm not going to let you down.

46:26 Never.

46:26 I'm going to support you. You are right.

46:29 I love you. Okay, everybody. Have a great week. We'll see you next episode. See you later.