#688 - Bobby's Top 15 TV Shows of the 21st Century

All right, on this episode, we'll talk about the New York Times best TV shows of the 21st century.

So they made a list.

Also have my favorite 15 television shows of the 21st century.

Do you know what 21st century is? Man, I've been thinking about this right now. Okay, so the 21st century would be It's always the year after. Like 21st century is 100. So you're doing way too much math.

It's 2000s and on. Yes. You worked a little too hard to get there, but you did get there.

Yeah.

I just wish they'd call it that century, that year. But there has been 100 before that.

Yeah, because 0 through 99 is the first century.

It's just, man, the adjustment takes a little bit.

So they put out their top 10. It's a top 100 list, but I'm going to read you the 10 right now.

Number one was Breaking Bad. Of course. Have you went back and watched any of it? No.

Since we watched it when it came out originally? No, but I'm trying to get my son to. He just doesn't like shows. He loves movies, but he doesn't like shows because it's such a commitment. But I tell him, dude, you want to be a filmmaker when you grow up? You have to watch Breaking Bad. It was such a life-changing event for all of us.

For me, I have the same reasoning for not watching movies because it's such a commitment because it's longer.

Really?

Yeah, and with a show, I watch an episode and maybe watch another one in two days.

That's interesting.

Or if I want to binge, I can. But with a movie, I got to commit for two and a half hours now. Breaking Bad, number one, I think universally that probably was going to be it or at least be in the top three.

Do you remember Breaking Bad ever getting boring? I remember there being episodes that I thought sucked. Boring, no, because it was so ahead of its time.

I think if it came out today, It would be a mid, but I think it was great where it was.

And it was on FX or AMC. One of those channels we didn't have. Yes. You had to have like cable. You had to buy.

The package that costs an extra $ 19 where I really started watching.

It was when it got on Netflix. I think it's where most people started watching it. Honestly, I think you're the one that got me onto it. I think you were talking about like, you just, there's a show. You should watch it. And at that point, it was really like, what do you mean a show? Like Saved by the Bell?

It's like that, but it's just got a lot of episodes to it. A series. But back then, I didn't know really what that meant. There were just a handful of shows like that. And so I remember watching it and not stopping, watching it all the way through because I didn't watch it until they were all done.

I think they ended in a good place. I don't think it got off course so much. Again, there were boring episodes. Like, I hated the fly episode. Oh, I remember that one called The Fly. And it was literally about a fly.

In the room.

So it wouldn't add toxins to the drugs, basically. I think that's what it was. It was just a bunch of dialogue.

And you hate dialogue. I hate dialogue.

But that show, I love the action. Number one was Breaking Bad. This is their list. Number two is The Wire. I went and watched the first season of The Wire in the last year. I didn't think it held up that well. And that one came out around the same time as Breaking Bad? Early 2000s?

I would assume. Sounds like it.

It felt a bit dated. I can see why it was revolutionary at the time. But again, I got to watch it compared to today's shows. I didn't even go to season two.

Okay. I never saw it. So why could it have been revolutionary? What was so good about it? It was so gritty.

It was not making everybody that was in the drug trade a villain.

Oh, wow.

There was understanding of why people commit crimes because of necessity more than they're just a bad guy.

Well, I'm breaking bad too. Yeah. It's interesting. And I think that.

It probably wasn't the start of it because I think probably, uh, the, the gangster movie that I never watched is Sopranos. Like that was, that was when they first started doing like the, The good guys with bad traits type thing.

What do they call that, Mike? Anti-heroes? Yeah, the anti-heroes. I'm kind of like good guy with bad traits, but still. I go with anti-hero. I know what you mean.

So The Wire comes in at number two all in. Did watch that. Mad Men at three. Watched two episodes of it and never could get into it. I probably didn't give it a fair chance. You watched the two episodes once everything was already done? No, I watched it when the show was about to end because I thought there's a whole landscape for me to watch.

I didn't give it a good chance. And who's the, Jon Hamm? Yeah. That's, I mean, that's what made Jon Hamm, right? Yeah. You liked it? Succession at four. Man, I haven't seen any of these.

So my wife and I got into Succession probably as the third season was going, and we watched the first six episodes and thought, this is so overrated. But I think there were eight or nine episodes in the first season, whatever it was, and we had committed six episodes, so let's go ahead and finish it. By the time it finished, we were so in. It moves slow. There's no crack being made or sold. There's no science teacher gone. All the characters are unlikable in Succession. Kind of like Seinfeld where nobody's really made to be that likable. And we didn't love it. And then we loved it. It ended up being great. Fleabag was funny at five. Game of Thrones at six. Veep at seven. 30 Rock at eight.

Curb Your Enthusiasm at nine. Now we're talking. Which my wife was a big fan of. I had only watched one episode and I thought this isn't for me, but I've watched about five with her one night.

And I thought this was one of the greatest shows. You're like, this is now for me. Yeah. It's so funny. Especially because they didn't have a script. Yeah. They had, here's the premise. Go.

Dude, it's so funny that I watched clips on TikTok now and just be like, I need to go back and watch that episode.

Like just from that clip I just saw.

Sometimes I'll watch movies on TikTok and I don't mean to, but I started watching the Kurt Warner movie.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

True underdog underdog I think it's just American underdog yeah.

Like Zachary Levy's in it I never had watched that movie and I watched a three minute clip of the movie and the coach is like you suck and he's like I really want to make the team coach and he's like you've been off you haven't played football in three years and he's like I really want and so I watch all of it and I was like dang and so I'm flipping through and it gives me like the video right after that oh.

No so you're basically watching the movie my algorithm is feeding me the whole movie I watched a lot of it that's awesome I'm still in it I haven't finished it yet but I've been watching that Number 10, Atlanta. I didn't watch that. Mike, you liked that, huh? I loved Atlanta.

It's one of my favorite shows that I can't talk to anybody about because no one else has seen it. Made the top 10.

Atlanta?

Yeah, Donald Glover is in it. He's also one of my favorite actors, but I feel like that show is ahead of its time.

That's not the one from Righteous Gemstones, right? The one they're watching? The one they say they're watching?

Or the ATL? You know what I'm talking about? It's a made-up show that they say that they're watching?

Mm-mm.

Anyway.

Anyway. That's all right, man.

I do.

Righteous Jensen better be on there. And the top 100, I don't know that it is. Oh, my goodness. It's a failed list. What a great show. What a great show.

So I'll give you my top 15. Any thoughts about any of those that you watched and didn't agree with? Dude, I've only watched like two.

Really? Out of that whole list. Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad and Curb. The Wire, no. Mad Men, no. Succession, no. Fleabag, no. Game of Thrones, no. 30 Rock, no. Curb Your Enthusiasm, no. Curb, yes.

But I don't even think I've seen all of Curb. I didn't watch Curb in order. I watched Curb as like just little nuggets.

So we watched random episodes because she'd put me on episodes that she really liked. And then I said, we got to go to the beginning. And is it a story? And then we watched all the way through.

Yes, yes.

Uh-huh.

But not like a series. Where like the first one, it connects all the way through.

There's a theme that connects everything, and it is a storyline, but mostly it's situational.

It just makes me laugh thinking about it.

We were at a restaurant in Palm Springs, and again, my wife's a massive Larry David fan, and we're sitting there, and she goes, there's Larry David sitting right next to us.

And she doesn't geek out on anybody. Was it don't turn around quickly? Or were you just like, where? She probably said, don't move when I tell you this. Love it.

Larry David's sitting right there next to us. And it was him and his wife or whomever his partner is. And I'm not going to bother anyone either. But it was cool to see him there. And then all of a sudden, he started complaining about electric cars.

And he was like, what's with the electric cars? Oh, you don't get to charge it. What do you mean, the fella? You don't get to charge it. And he was doing basically something from the show. It was like we were watching it in person. Curb your enthusiasm. He was so close you could hear all of that. Everything.

That's amazing. He was like, you're not going to charge the electric car. I gave you the electric car. You have it for a whole day. You know the battery's going down. You bring it back. It's a new charge. What's the deal? And we're just... trying not to laugh. I love it.

But he was that guy. That's great. I have my top 15 shows. I have honorable mention, The Queen's Gambit from 2020 on Netflix.

That's a great show. Yeah, she played chess. Who would have thought that would be good? But it's mostly about, she's an orphaned prodigy. That story works in a lot of places. It just happened to be about chess.

And it was Anya Joy Taylor who said, Has a show called Lucky that I just watched as well.

It was pretty good. But she goes to competitive chess.

And it's about talent but about obsession and about what you give up in order to reach your dreams. And I was so disappointed that that show did not get a second season.

Yeah.

I was just about to say that. Definitely a show where it could have multiple seasons, but just didn't. I think it was a book, and that's why. But who cares?

Game of Thrones, they keep making seasons of that, and there's no book to that. Or maybe that's Lord of the Rings. Or maybe both.

It's a risk, though, right? I feel like it takes a lot of strength to say, you know what? We nailed it. Let's leave it.

As it lies. Let's not ruin it. Possibly ruin it by doing another season.

Also, they could have had everybody contracted for just one season as a limited series.

They can't get them all back.

And then also, yeah, we're only doing this as a limited series. And that could entice people to join. because Nicole Kidman does a lot of limited series, and it's just one, maybe two, because she doesn't want to get tied up being in a show for 20, although she is in one of the shows I'm going to mention, and it's great. She's in a multiple season show. My honorable mention was that, The Queen's Gambit. At number 15 from 2006, Dexter.

Never saw it.

It's so good, and this is when I would download television shows from Apple Podcasts, not.

Even Apple TV, just from iTunes. Uh-huh.

Yeah, I would watch them on my laptop. And so he's a police blood splatter analyst.

He's the redhead dude? My colors aren't good. Okay. Kind of looks like you. That's him. Okay. He's also a serial killer, but he serial kills bad people. I like it. It's really great.

John Lithgow, one of the greatest villains in television history in one of the seasons of that show. So, I never watched the reboots because I love the original. I think I watched eight seasons of that show.

What are the reboots? What do you mean, whether Dexter, like, does Manhattan? Like, what do you mean? How did they do? Dexter Down Under. How did they do? How did they reboot Dexter?

I don't know because I didn't watch it, but I think a third one was him younger. It wasn't even the same actor.

Got it. Would that be correct, Mike? Yeah, it's called Dexter Resurrection. There was also Dexter New Blood. Okay. And one of them, it's him just older. Mm-hmm.

And then the other was an actor that was playing a younger version of him. At 15, I loved Dexter. There's a lot to it, meaning it's like eight, nine seasons.

It was great. That's the show where he had a sister on the show. They played brother-sister. Oh. He ends up marrying her.

Yes.

And so they're married while doing the show. He ends up divorcing her. Oof.

He then has a sister that he was once married to and divorced, and they're still doing the show.

And they still did it. They completed the show. That's crazy. That's got to be so hard working with your ex-wife.

Fun.

It's like the stages of it, right? Like, this is so much fun. I get to work with my girlfriend.

Yes. I'm falling in love with someone I'm doing the show with. And then you get to marry her. This is so perfect.

And then you're just like, I'm starting not to like her.

Then you get a divorce. Like, I can't stand her, but we got to go to work every single.

Day and do this.

Like, how do I get her fired?

How do I Aunt Viv her and just get her replaced with another actress that looks kind of like her?

That's amazing.

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Number 14, The Umbrella Academy on Netflix. Oh, I watched a couple episodes of this one.

It's basically, no. Yeah, they're like superheroes? They're like cartoons. Man, I feel like, is it really dark? I remember like the picture being dark and like, are they in like an.

In the city, and it's nighttime. I think you're just.

Saying stuff right now. I think you're just taking parts of Batman. It feels like Batman. So it's about a family. They're a dysfunctional family. Their dad dies, and so they all get together, and it's about family dynamics, but they all have different superpowers, and they're just trying to save the world.

Maybe I didn't see that one. I love it. It's a comic, right? It's a graphic novel by the lead singer of My Chemical Romance. No way. Wait, what?

Yeah.

You didn't know this? I didn't know that's who wrote it. I knew it was literature. The guy that sings.

Black Blast Parade.

Yeah.

Yeah, Gerard Way. And then the crowd goes, oh, as soon as they hear the note of Welcome to the Black Parade.

Yeah. Wow.

How cool is that? That's really cool. Do you love that show? I really love the first season. And then it got a little less in quality, but still a solid show.

So is that the same case where like he wrote the first season and then they just, did he.

Continue to write? Oh, that's interesting. Like was the book just the first season? Do you know that? I don't know that. Yeah, I would assume it was.

Like that was already done. It's written. And then they took a risk by doing a second one. Not so good.

I really liked it. I put it at 14. So far, you haven't seen any of my shows.

No.

Well, you did see Queen's Gambit. Queen's Gambit. That was honorable mention. And I'll check off on that. I love it.

Mindhunter at number 13. So two FBI agents.

McConaughey? No, no, no, no, no.

These FBI agents, psychologists, they interview serial killers.

Oh, I started to watch that one. That are in prison. And it starts in the late 1970s.

And there's like a little small clip at the beginning of every episode that has nothing to do with the rest of it.

And so it ends up being.

That BTK killer later on.

They only had to cancel this because of COVID. Wow. Dude, I started watching that one and it was too much for me. What do you mean? It was just, I didn't like it. It's real.

I know.

And then you can go look up all the serial killers after and see what they really look like.

That's kind of what did it for me. It was like, man, this is like truly scary. But what's crazy about this is I started watching with my wife. She does not like shows like this. She finished it and I did not.

I liked how they had the kind of non-parallels going because you would all the shows episodes went with each other but the one that didn't ended up being a later season and it's how they track down the btk killer it's great it's dark it's as close to true crime as you can get because there are actors playing people yeah but they did a good job at casting the killers looking like the actual killers that's cool it's good um okay so i have that at 13 it's on netflix by the way you guys can watch that mike did you.

Watch that i did not watch that okay did you watch it brandon Oh, man, it's uplifting. Okay. Let's hear you guys.

Number 12 on Netflix from 2023. So I think there are only three seasons in, and it's so good, is The Diplomat.

Dang, man. Keri Russell? Yes.

I did not expect to like it so much. I also did not expect a show named The Diplomat to get your adrenaline pumping.

I feel like it would be about the American Revolution, and The Diplomat is riding a horse.

Like one of those pictures on a dollar bill or something.

So the whole thing is she is a career diplomat that is pointed as a U.S. ambassador to the U.K., really not for any reason, just kind of unexpectedly. And then there's an international crisis and she has to figure it out.

It's really great. She's in charge? She's a diplomat to the U.K. Stupid question. What's a diplomat? It's just somebody who keeps the conversation going. What do you mean? Like you right now, you're a diplomat? Sure.

I would say a diplomat would be if we sent one of our people to live there, so they could always talk to that person every day.

Every day. Okay. And the diplomat would talk back to it. So like an ambassador? Yeah, that's exactly what... Got it. Yes. There's probably a lot of similarities. I think I don't know the answer to that. If an ambassador.

I think an ambassador would be a diplomat, but not all diplomats are ambassadors.

Okay. Because you could be diplomatic even within our job. Like my.

manager, Tom, is the most diplomatic person ever. Everybody likes him. He can get anything done. He's such a nice guy. He plays both sides. He's not really the guy that's going to kill and hide a body for you, but everybody loves him, so he can get things to happen in that way, like a positive way.

So diplomat doesn't necessarily have to be like working for the government.

Well, you could be, no, I mean... So you can just be diplomatic as a person. But there are government diplomats. Got it. Is that what diplo... It's not like diplo, different. So... And I don't know how accurate I was with all of that. Okay. Cause I truly don't know. I didn't expect to go down that whole hole there.

Yeah.

But the diplomat at 12 on my list, it's fantastic. And every, every finale, you're just like, give me the next one. And then you had to wait.

It's so good. Yeah. And it's about to come back though for season four. You're so excited. It's so good. Anybody watch that?

No.

Oh man. You guys suck. Okay. We do suck. Number 11, slow horses. Oh, hold on. What's his name? Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman. Yeah, from Batman. Mm-hmm. He played the cop, right, in Batman? Oh, yeah, Commissioner Gordon. Yeah, Commissioner Gordon. Commissioner Gordon.

So he plays this guy named Jackson Lamb who is the boss of the British intelligence agents, but they're like the guys that have been kicked out.

It's like detention. Oh, got it. So they haven't been fully.

Kicked out because you don't get kicked out of school when you go to detention, but you're in detention.

It's not the same as regular school. It's ISS. So they're basically an ISS. It's still in it.

And so if you make a mistake, they end up putting you over here. And instead of just being failures, they are really involved in like odd ways.

We're on, I think season four or five right now. We're watching it live right now. Okay. Is this a Apple? Yeah. I don't know if we can say other networks. Okay. Is it on another provider? It's on. Yeah. Okay.

Is the picture of him like feet on the desk without like a hole in the sock?

That's it. Okay. And he plays like a gross guy, but he's very lovable.

Cause I keep seeing that picture and I'm like, it looks interesting, but I never watch it.

And they only do six episodes a season.

And whenever the season finishes before the next season starts, they've already got a trailer for the next season because they've already shot the next season. Those British shows are really good about knowing what's good. And most of the time, they only do two seasons, two or three. But when they shoot, they kind of green light two at a time, two seasons at a time.

That's really good. Especially the viewer, you know what you're waiting on.

Number 10, as we get into the top 10, of my favorite shows since the year 2000, The Day of the Jackal.

Damn, I don't even know what that is. What shows are you watching? Eddie Redmayne. Oh, I like Eddie Redmayne. He plays an assassin that's on the run. It's so good. Okay, I'm writing that one down. That one sounds good. It is tense. It is a thriller. What's it called? The Day of the Jackal?

It is a high-stakes game of cat and mouse, according to the trailer. Because I re-watched the trailer. It's called The Day of the Jackal. It's fantastic. I'm texting myself. It's my top ten. Number ten show since the year 2000. And number nine, The Rehearsal.

With Nathan Fielder. You love that. You love that. So, literally finished it like two days ago. The different seasons... are made for different reasons.

At first, the first season, he's just helping people through their problems by elaborately building whatever situation they're nervous about and then just going through it with them.

When I say elaborate, I mean to the detail. Like building a house, getting a baby. That's crazy, dude. That's crazy how he does all that.

And so the last season is him actually trying to fix something, trying to fix the communication between pilot and co-pilot to stop.

Crashes dude what a different way to think like who would have thought that that was a problem happening in the air did you watch that airplane season i did i didn't finish it if you watched it and didn't finish it you have done yourself an injustice because i think it's the best ending in the history of television shows and i would say i'm probably halfway through it gets a little no.

It gets a lot weird. And that's where I quit. In the middle.

That's where Caitlin quit too. She's, this is too bizarre for me. It was too bizarre for me. When he creates that massive.

And he's the baby. Yeah. He's the baby with the big doll. That's the, you know. Drinking the milk.

So that is where Caitlin quit. When he's drinking out of the nipple of the big, big doll.

Dude, same.

So, but I think it is the greatest ending to a television show that I've ever seen. And they're now, they're just in the past few weeks, they've announced that what he did, it's a bill now.

Really?

That's really, I mean, yeah, I can see that because watching it, you start thinking like, wow, this really could be a problem.

And for those who don't know this season three of the rehearsal is him going, Hey, there are all these plane crashes because the co-pilot doesn't feel like he can talk to the pilot if there's a problem because of the power dynamic and they don't know each other. And it's because they've not spent any time together. They just match them up right before a flight.

Yep.

So that happens.

And then also it gets into why pilot's don't want to take the psychological tests because, or go to therapists at all, because they have to say they're at a therapist. And then if the therapist for any reason says, Hey, I don't feel like this person should be able to fly. And he takes a test and he doesn't want to know if he's on the spectrum.

Yeah. It's wacky. It's, but, but it also tells you why pilots wouldn't do the proper things to get their mental health, right? Because if they admit their mental health isn't right, they'll pull them out of the plane. Yeah. That's the broken system. It is broken. But the ending is the best. This next one that's coming out. It's not a rehearsal. It's not a rehearsal movie. It's him with Elizabeth Holmes from Theranos. Okay. So maybe not so wacky.

I bet it's wacky. Just because he's behind it. I bet it's wacky. He lived with her. That's crazy, dude. I can't wait to see that. Mike, am I overhyping that I say it's one of the best endings ever? I don't think so. Eddie, you got to finish it. All right. You really do. You'll be blown away by the ending. Yeah, I'm halfway through. In a way that you won't expect.

I don't even feel weird about building it up because I don't think I could possibly build it up enough for you to be disappointed by how it ends.

And even by all you guys saying that, I don't even know where it could go. Like, it's gotten so wacky that I don't know where it could go for it to be the best ending ever.

At number eight, it's the only sports that I put in here. Come on. And I don't know if I'm cheating by doing this because it is a docu-series. I know what you're going to say. But it is a Netflix show. What? The Last Dance. The Last Dance. It's unbelievable. A plus. It was a COVID show. Doesn't matter.

It's not like Tiger King where it doesn't hold up now because Tiger King was a COVID show.

But it was awesome. Love is blind. COVID show.

Yes.

The Last Dance, COVID documentary. But it was so good.

Man, and I will say as my wife, as a non-sports fan, watched the whole thing with me and loved it.

It's a 10-part documentary series on the Chicago Bulls, on Michael Jordan during their final championship season in 97 and 98, and also does a retrospective of Michael Jordan's career and personality and conflicts.

And a deep dive on everyone, really.

You know, I felt like it was pretty Jordan, not just Jordan-based, but Jordan's narrative.

On everybody as well.

Yeah, but even like they go a little bit into Dennis Rodman and kind of the stuff that he went through.

Scotty Pippen stuff.

But again, I feel like that's stuff Jordan wanted out there because there was no positive Scotty Pippen stuff.

No, no, no, no, no, there, there wasn't. Yeah. There wasn't.

I think Jordan wanted to be like, I'm the reason we won those titles. So let's not make it in Scotty.

No one else. And you've seen that one though. I've seen it.

And I will say that after watching it, I could safely say I wouldn't want to be Michael Jordan's friend. I love the documentary, but, and it's not like I'm, it made me not like him more. I just saw that we wouldn't really be the same kind of person or get along really.

Yeah.

Did you feel like that? Yeah. Same with Kobe. Oh, I never saw anything with Kobe.

Well, just you watch clubs of people and they'd be like, man, Kobe really wanted to win. I think I'd go like, how much did he want to win? Well, he punched my mom in the face before a game and then told me about it.

I didn't even know. And then I went after the game and said, Mom, did Kobe punch you? She's like, yeah. And he's like, he did that just to get under my skin. I was like, wait, what? Kobe, you're a bad dude. I have seen those stories. You're a bad dude, Kobe. Why'd you do that? Just to win. You punch his mom in the face so you can tell him about it? Yeah, yeah.

You're a bad dude. At number seven, Ozark. Oh, that's a good one. Jason Bateman.

To me, kind of his reemergence into, well, everything now as a producer and actor. Uh, 2017, he plays a financial advisor who moves his family to the Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri to launder money for a drug cartel.

To get out of trouble. Well, yeah. Yeah.

He got in some, some bad business. And so now he's got to go help the drug cartel. And every time that he tries to save his family, they just get deeper in.

Very three's company.

And you're just like, Oh, Jack Tripper.

Come on, man. Why do you keep doing that? Why don't you get yourself in these situations? Number six, Lioness. I just started it.

That's a show that's so good at the beginning and there's action and it's Taylor Sheridan. Nicole Kidman, that's the show I was referencing in earlier because she's in all these seasons. You're going, oh, this is good. Then you watch season two and you're like, oh, this is really good. Then you watch season three and you're like, that's one of the best seasons of any show I've ever seen.

Really? Yeah. See, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, season one's good. Season two's really good. Season three's A plus. And that's Zoe Saldana? Mm-hmm. Good stuff.

And until recently, unless she still is, I think she's the highest grossing actor of all time.

Because of Lioness?

No.

Well, you don't get money for Lioness grossing. You don't go to the movies for Lioness. That's true. What's she been in? I believe she's been passed up now. She has? She's second now? Yeah. Okay, she's second. Is she Marvel? No. Think about it, though. What has she been in that has made a ton of money? Oh, she's Avatar. Avatar.

She's also Marvel. She's also Marvel. Oh, she's Guardians of the Galaxy. Yes. So it's combined.

Unfortunately for her, though, she plays these roles where you don't really know it's her.

In Lioness, you do. No, no, no. In the movies. In Avatar, it's like she's covered in makeup, right? Isn't she one of the... Yeah. She's blue, right? She's blue, yeah. And then in Avengers... She's green. She's green. Oh, really? Yeah, dude.

So unless you do research, you don't know that's her, really. But hey, she's making money, so who cares?

Who's number one now? Tom Holland. Tom Holland. That guy. To the Spider-Man this year. Wow, another superhero. Yeah, they make all the money now. In the Odyssey. He gets Odyssey money? What was he in the Odyssey? Oh, yeah, he was the bad guy.

No.

Tom Holland? Son, right? He was the son. Son.

I don't know.

I watched it. Hey, it was a long movie, dude. In one, out the other. What I remember is I enjoyed it. Oh, bad guy is Batman. Oh, Robert Pattinson. Yes, yes. Different dude. Tom Holland married to Zendaya. In real life? Yeah, dude. Okay, I'm thinking of Tom Taylor Swift's ex-boyfriend. Hiddleston. Oh, yeah, different guy. Is he in that movie? I don't think so.

He's not in Odyssey. He should be. They should have cast him for Odyssey. I think it would have been great. Tom Holland as Spider-Man. Oh, he is the son. Yeah. Got it. All right. Who cares?

Number five, top five TV shows since the year 2000, according to me.

Squid game at number five. Oh yes.

Dude, that was so good. Squid game season one made me go. I should not be so judgmental to non-English shows, English speaking shows.

Oh, I thought you were going to go a little deeper than that, but I like, I like that. No, it was so good though.

I thought you were going to talk about like the situations that they're in, but no, I get it.

Non-speaking. I did squid games. It was called dancing with the stars. Same thing, man. It's the same thing. Mess up a step. Yeah. You're out. Uh, It was so dark.

It was one of those two that my wife watched, but she was like, man, this is a little too gory for me.

Because at times it was. Yeah. Oh, very. It's so good.

Man, did you watch it? When you started watching, did you know it was going to be like that? Because I don't think I knew it was going.

To be like that.

I think it was just recommended to me by somebody that i would maybe even mike i'm not sure but i watched it and i do english words on the bottom subtitles and also make them speak english okay even the mouths don't match the worst i don't see well anyway so if i take off my glasses i'm Their mouths look like they match. Or if I keep my glasses on, I can read words. So you kind of need both. Yeah, I kind of need both to get through.

I remember watching that when I first watched it, and then when it got real, I was like, I didn't expect it.

I didn't know it was going to be that real. And it got real. And then it gets realer and realer and realer. What got real? The game. You think it's based on a true story?

No, but I didn't know. I knew that they were going to play games, right? It's called Squid Game. I didn't know that the games were going to be like that.

Like that hardcore. Yeah.

Yeah, Squid Game was so good. Are they done with that show? Because they're going to do an American version, right?

Yeah, but the main storyline is done. Two seasons? Three. Three.

I think it was two, but they split that second one in to test it.

That's right.

And then, I don't want to say anything, but you think after the third season that they're probably going to do something American or British, but you never know.

Do you know if they're working on that? They were, yeah. I don't know where it is now. I'd give it a look. I hope it's in English, though. So you can relax with the vision. I hope it's in English. Hang tight.

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I do have one other show that's not in English still to come. Oh. We're at number four now. Okay, I'll be thinking about that. Number four from 2010, The Walking Dead. Never got into it. Man, Sheriff Rick Grimes. And also The Punisher is in it in the first season or two. Is he a zombie? I'm not going to say much. Are they zombies? Well, it's not actually The Punisher. It's the guy John Berenthal plays. No, I get it. I get it.

Yeah, it's the first time I ever watched him on a show.

He's really great in it. It's a zombie show. But they are zombies.

The world's being overrun by zombies. And I watched this show almost, and I'm not sure if it's even over now.

Like they're still making it?

Or like spinoffs of it. At one point, though, speaking of Vision, it was so dark. Not even dark as in killing and sad.

Oh, the color.

The color got so dark because so much of it was inside with no power. I was like, I can't see what's happening. You're like, guys, this isn't good for television.

It visually was so dark. And to someone who is seeing impaired, it was hard for me to watch.

Yeah.

I watched about six or seven episodes and for a while it was my number one favorite show.

Then I just was over it. And that too was at AMC. No, AMC, AC. Yeah. We don't really say other networks, but yeah. Nope. It's another one. It's another one. Um, and number three, this was almost number one. I had to really battle my one, two and three.

Wow.

I wonder what this is. Is this the other language? It's in German. Oh, is this the High Castle one? No. No, that was in English. It's in English? Yeah. The Man in High Castle. That one kind of lost its place. It's okay, but it lost its place. What's in German?

So it's about children disappearing in this small German town, and they uncover connections between these families across multiple generations. It's kind of a little bit of time travel, a little bit of fate, a little bit of family secrets.

You love that stuff. It's called Dark. Okay. I don't know how it wouldn't have a perfect rating if you went to Rotten Tomatoes. And is that one Dark? They're in a cave a lot. So it's kind of dark. But not as much as Walking Dead later on. House without electricity or cave.

I would have never watched Dark if it weren't for my friend Jason who said, you have to watch Dark. It's one of the best shows I've ever seen. And then I said, is it in another language?

And he said, yes. And I said, I'm out. And then I told Caitlin and she said, don't be judgmental. So we watched it.

Even though you were not judgmental, you changed your whole judgmental stuff after Squid Game.

Dark was before Squid Game. Oh, it was? Mm-hmm. Oh, so you were still judgmental.

Yeah, I didn't fully lose the judgment after the show.

I kept some of the judgment. Got it. You ever watch Dark, Mike? No, but it has a 95%.

Dang, it must be really good. The only reason people aren't watching it is because they're judgmental. Yeah, and they haven't gotten there lately. Like me, you got to be open.

Yes.

I love subtitle stuff. I do not like the overdub. I don't like when the actor's overdubbed. because the acting is never as good. It's never as good. And I feel like the acting has to be good. So you can understand what that character is going through. Like if I say, Bobby, I'm so mad at you. But then the overdub is like, Bobby, I'm so mad at you.

It's not that bad. Sometimes it's a little corny.

Yes. The overdub acting or it's overly acting too.

They do that too. But I, dude, I love subtitles. I watch English shows with subtitles. I read shows more than I watch them.

Oh, I put everything on subtitle. I watch shows in English. Yeah, same. Everything I watch has a subtitle on it. Yeah.

But I need that for those shows. Dude, interesting side point here. Do you think, like, we're missing out on these shows because we're really not watching a lot of it? We're reading a.

Lot of it?

You mean the English shows we're watching? Even, like, when we watch on subtitles. Because my family, we watch everything with subtitles. Mostly because, like, if we're watching in the middle of the night, kids are sleeping, lower it, we'll read it. But I'm not really watching the cinematography or like what's going on in that show.

I don't really care about cinematography. So I don't think so. I don't want to miss things. And that allows me not to miss anything if I can see all the words. Yeah, you're not missing a word. So I think net gain, I'm actually getting more than I'm losing. I can see where we would lose some if we're reading the words.

But I think I miss so much in just conversation that me reading it allows me to stay caught up. Dude, that is so crazy because I feel the same way. I feel like if I just listen to them talking, I won't truly understand what they're saying.

I almost want to go one than two. Okay. Do you think you can predict what I have left? No. It's probably something I haven't seen. You haven't seen almost any of that. I know. I know.

That's what I'm saying. I mean, the fact that you haven't mentioned Ted Lasso. It didn't make it.

I know. That's crazy to me.

I watched the first season of Ted Lasso and thought, this is really great. Started the second, thought, I just watched this on season one, this whole exact thing.

So I'm good.

And it probably got better because like I said, Mad Men, I never committed to it. I bet it was good.

Yeah. What? I mean, The Office? Is that 2000s? It started in 2005. Could that be? That could be in there. It's number one.

Yeah.

The Office.

The American Office, 2005. I remember downloading the Christmas episode onto my iPod video.

That was the first one you did? The first one I downloaded. I would watch the show.

But I remember downloading those episodes saved that show from being canceled.

Explain. Because they didn't have good ratings. And it was right when. And it was, yeah. It was a show on TV. Correct. You're about to say the network. No, I wasn't. It was a network show. I don't even know if there are rules on that. I just know.

Man, it's hard, dude. In case the Netflix bosses or algorithms are on us. Yeah, it was on a network. And it was not performing well in the ratings. And they were so close to canceling it. But they started to see the rise in the downloads on it from iTunes.

The people were speaking. People were downloading it because they could. Wow.

And so they allowed it to exist a little longer. It started to catch on. Dude, you can't argue with the downloads. You're just like, look, here's the data. People are watching.

I've watched The Office more than any show ever in the history of time. It is my put on in the background show. I've seen every episode. I can watch five seconds of the, the episode and know exactly what episode that is.

It's that it's very safe by the belly. You used to go to sleep to the office, right? Every night. I would put it on. Would you just pick random?

See, cause I do this too sometimes like with the three's company or like some of these, who's the boss, but there are so many seasons and like shows. How did you like before you went to bed? Like, I'm just going to pick a random season. No, I would just let it run. But after a while the sleep would come on and shut it down.

Yeah. But, Wherever I would wake up and it got to, I just went from there. Vance, you were really continuous somehow. Yeah, but I'd be asleep for like three episodes. Yeah.

But if you don't touch a button, it'll just stop and go to sleep. And so wherever it would stop, I would just start. But I had seen them all. Dude, The Office is so good.

Yeah. So I didn't do my number two. Okay.

And the reason I picked The Office, though, is because of the time invested in that show overall, and I did love it. That's my favorite probably lifetime show. But number two really– There's not as many episodes. There's not nearly as many episodes.

Got it. What? I got it. It's the weird one. It's the weird one. What's it called? The polar bear. Well, that's one of them. What's that show called? Black Mirror. You love Black Mirror. I love Black Mirror.

Started in 2011. It's crazy to think that show started that long ago, Mike.

Wow.

I am so excited when that show has a new season. That's the darkest show. Of every show that I've listed. It's by far the darkest show. It's just how technology can expose and amplify the worst parts of human nature.

Man, that show is scary in the sense where you're just thinking like that can really happen.

And that's really scary. And some of the things, right? Some of the things have happened. That's what's up.

Some of the things have definitely gotten very close to what they were saying years ago. And then six, seven, eight years later, there prediction of what was to come has kind of come.

Do you ever wonder how they come up with those ideas? Are they really just spitballing or are they really... Oh, I know exactly how they come up with them. They're effed up in the head. Or do they know things that are real?

Nah. Because some of them are way off. Yeah, way, yeah, yeah. But... I don't think they have any psychic powers. But yeah, I know you got to be messed up. And it is.

Some of the great episodes from that show that I think of, because there are a lot, but the White Bear episode.

Oh, White Bear.

I always think that that's a really good one to put someone on it first.

Yeah, that's... Is that not the first of the season? It's not even in the first season, I don't think. Wow, because the reason I watch that is because you told me to watch this one first. The very first episode ever is the pig one.

Oh, that one's... Don't watch that one first. And that one's messed up. Don't watch that one first. Like, I feel worse about myself when the show ends. Yeah, dude, that was crazy. But then the more I think about it, I remember I'm thinking about this show a lot. Yeah.

At one point, they elected, like, a cartoon character president because he just said the most ridiculous things.

Oh, my gosh.

The social media one where you have to get a high score or people don't hang out with you was crazy.

I never saw that one. The one I saw that freaked me out was the parent one. Uh, the, the contact lenses, you can see what they saw. You can see through the eyes of your children. They have to wear contact lenses. Your kids do. And you can see through their eyes to know exactly what's going on with them all the time.

Yep.

It's like helicopter parent one-on-one. But that's, isn't that kind of like what's happening with these apps now where you can watch your kid everywhere?

Yeah, but it's like, no, I know it, but we're getting closer. We're getting closer to that.

I know. Like, don't you have it where you can track your kids?

Yeah.

Life 360. Yeah.

I mean, Life 360 is a junior varsity version of that because you can see how fast they're driving and see where they are. Everything.

They're walking. Are they driving? Are they sleeping?

Another one is that happened recently is the ads that would happen.

Are they almost dying, Mike?

His wife dies and they're able to bring her back. but they install like the system in her that saves her life, but she has to pay like a subscription cost just to keep.

Her life going. I've seen that Rashida Jones. Yeah. I've seen that one. And that's just to keep her life going.

And then they can't afford it because they keep lifting the prices and then they have to put ads in her.

So she's, her life is saved. And then she's like, Oh, and don't forget us wireless. And she's a sellout just because she wants to live as a teacher. That's terrible.

And then they can't travel out of the range. There's a certain range you can only travel in, but you can pay for the extended plan.

Oh, my gosh. Dude, do you think when they're writing these ideas, they're just like, that was so messed up. I love it. Yeah, I think it's one guy. Is it just one guy that comes up with all of it? I think he's the right. I think it's just one guy.

Charlie.

I mean, he has a writing team, but I think it's mainly one guy. Wow. What's his name? Charlie. Brooker? Charlie, yeah. Man, how is the government not just watching that guy at all times? You know what they do sometimes? The government actually does this.

They go to these people that write really great stories and movies and books and that have all of these themes.

Wow, they think of that.

And they ask them to present every single scenario they could possibly think of so they can prepare for it in case it were to happen.

That's pretty cool. I mean, that's like it's like using. Well, back, you really don't have hackers anymore because AI does everything. But like that's like hiring bad hackers to do good stuff. I had a guy in high school that was a hacker.

Hiring bad hackers to do good stuff like black hat guys.

Hackers like people that would hack stuff illegally and they'd get in trouble they'd get arrested so they'd be white then white hat hackers and then they would become white hackers got it white hat not white hackers that's what they're called white hats yeah I didn't know that I thought that was white hackers no the Caucasian hackers no I just thought that was their name.

Before we finish here were there any of these shows or no any shows that came to mind for you Ted Lasso Ted Lasso is one of my favorites.

Number one? I wouldn't say number one.

Breaking Bad to me is number one just because it's always the one I go to because it's just so freaking awesome and watched every single episode, loved every single episode, every season. Ted Lasso, man, just because I feel like it was refreshing to have a comedy kind of show, but that also had all kinds of emotions in it.

You know, it wasn't just like, I.

Loved season one. I'm not hating. I just didn't, I couldn't watch it anymore.

And the other seasons got, they were different, you know, but it would still, they would still have that good feeling moments that the Ted, that Ted Lasso kind of just has at all times, even though there's some really sad undertone. I just liked all the emotions of Ted Lasso.

11 through 20 quickly on the New York times list, the office us at 11 arrested development at 12 girls at 13 Friday night lights at 14.

You need to watch that one. I won't, but I respect it. Okay. You would love it, dude. I won't, but I respect it. Okay.

Six Feet Under, The Office UK at 16. It's weird to put the cover ahead of the original.

Oh, yeah.

It's like going, you know what? Uncle Cracker's Drift Away is way better than Dobie Gray's.

And the original is UK.

Yeah.

It's like, no, no, Dobie Gray, you wouldn't get to, Uncle Cracker, you wouldn't get to do Drift Away if it weren't for Dobie Gray. I feel like that happened a lot with like Bob Dylan songs. You know, where all the covers were way more. Like Jimi Hendrix. Yeah, successful than Bob Dylan's. Let's see. The Americans at 17. Great. Slow.

It's Keri Russell.

Yeah.

And Matthew Rhys. Oh, Keri Russell's in the Americans and the Diplomat? Mm-hmm. Oh. She plays a Russian in the Americans. Well, see, that just throws me off. It's really good, but it's very slow.

Okay. It's based on a true story of a Russian sleeper cell family in the United States.

Yeah, they live here.

Yeah.

I May Destroy You at 18, Chernobyl at 19, which was great. One season about the Chernobyl disaster.

Oh, I didn't realize that was a series or a TV show like that. I thought it was a documentary.

I think there is a documentary, but this is with real actors.

And I like that. I like actors.

Good looking people to tell me my terrible stories. And then The Crown at number 20. White Lotus is at 21.

Oh, White Lotus. Gosh, those are so good. They're working on one now, right? In France. France. In snow France, I believe. Dude, White Lotus is so good, but then it's a little messed up. Oh, it's dirty, dog.

There's moments in every single season where you're just like, why did you have to put that in there?

But it's still good.

It's still really good, even it being a little messed up.

Lost at 22. The comeback at 23, no idea what that is.

Don't know what that is. Feels like a sports show. Right? 2016. Oh, it is Lisa Kudrow. You're right.

That's exactly it. Deadwood at 24 and The Leftovers at 25. They do have Black Mirror at 26. Better Call Saul at 27. Band of Brothers at 28. Key and Peele at 29. Severance at 30.

Key and Peele, is that just the whole Comedy Central? Their show on Comedy Central. I feel like I've watched that one all on clips.

I'm surprised Severance is only 30, maybe because it's only been out for a few years. Season one, A plus one of the best seasons I've ever seen.

That one was really good. Got a little off in season two.

Yeah.

It's still telling a story though. But one was so good. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, thank you for being here. Yeah, man. Thank you. I'm going to get working on your list. No need. No, I'm not. Unless you're just keeping it for yourself.

No, I am going to, I did text myself that, um, um, what's it called? Hold on. I'm going to pull it up. That said the jackal, the day of the day, the jackal autocorrect hackle. Don't watch Day of the Hackle. The Day of the White Hat Hackles. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys for listening. And until next time, we'll see you guys here on the Bobbycast.

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