#689 - Debating the Greatest Movie Twists of All-Time

Everybody, welcome to this episode. We're going to talk about the movies with the greatest twists. Now, this will be full of spoilers. We'll be sure to say what the movie is. And I don't think we're going to do any brand new movies because that would suck of us to do. So the only homework that I gave the guys was come in, with your favorite three twists at the end of a movie. We have Eddie, who's often here.

I never leave, actually.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we have Movie Mike from Movie Mike's Movie Podcast is here. We couldn't do this without the movie expert. So, Mike, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me.

I shall go first. Okay. And if you have mine, that's okay. We probably are going to share similar. And I do have probably the three greatest of all time that I'm only going to do after we're all done.

Okay.

But the three greatest of all time, I don't have on my list. Yeah.

I kind of felt the same way. Like, I know which ones that people will be like, oh, this is a crazy twist. I didn't pick those. I have unique ones.

Well, I didn't pick them to not pick them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just picked my favorites.

Maybe out of all those, one of them I would have picked. But I was like, no, there's other ones to pick.

Well, you're supposed to just pick your favorites. You're already going.

And I got them.

Okay.

All right. I got them.

I'm going to go from 2004– The Village, which was an M. Night Shyamalan movie that I really liked. I don't think it ended up being reviewed like wonderfully. I think it was kind of a mid M. Night Shyamalan reviewed movie. But this whole movie, you're watching what seems to be an isolated village in the 1800s. They dress old school. They look like pilgrims. And everybody, the whole movie is in fear of these monsters. And nobody can leave because if you leave, the monsters basically eat you.

So they're surrounding the village?

Yeah.

Whoa.

The twist is it's modern times and the monsters are fake.

No way. Yeah.

So the elders had created this village as a way to protect. They had some dramatic stuff happen in their life. And so they got in this rescue and they built this village in and there are walls and they're also the monsters that keep people inside of it. And so what happens at the end is that She climbs a wall and runs out and you see like the game warden truck and stuff. And you're like, wait, no, this whole thing's been in the 1800s. And then you realize, oh, it was the people that were manipulating the people. It's been modern the whole time. And so you spend the movie wondering what's in the woods. Like that's what you're thinking.

Like I wonder what the monster is. And for sure it's old. You're not questioning what century it is. And so it's one of those where the movie points you a whole different direction. And that's what's up.

Dude, that's crazy. I've never seen that movie.

It's a great twist. Whenever she finally sees the road and you're like, oh, my God.

Wild.

You've just been trying to figure out the wrong thing. Because the whole time you're going, I know there's a twist.

Because it's a M.

Night Shyamalan movie. And you're going, I wonder who the monster is or what the monster, are they aliens? And it turns out that's not even what you were looking for.

So let me ask you this. When you watch movies, like, are you always trying to figure out where it's going to go? Oh, yeah.

I'm annoying to watch movies with because I'm trying to figure it out by about 20 minutes into it. I'm like, okay, this is what they're going to do. They're using this plot method. I'm going to figure it out.

Why can't you guys just go along for the ride?

I think generally in life that could be asked of me. That's true.

You don't normally just do stuff like that.

My wife gets so annoyed because we'll try to predict who dies. Done it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But what I do that's so annoying is eventually I'll have chosen everybody throughout the course. So by the time the end of it happens, I'm like, I told you. She's like, you picked 11 people. Like she'll pick one and I'll go, you know, it really, it could be the secretary though. By the end of it, I got the wall covered.

That's so annoying. It's so annoying.

It's so annoying.

I'm so bad at those. Like what are the glass onion, the knives out ones? Like I always try to be that.

Is that one of yours? No. Okay. Okay.

But I always try to figure out the whodunits, right?

Don't spoil that because it's too new.

I never get them right.

Some of them, though, you can't actually get right because they hide some of the things you would need to know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But my number one is The Village. Eddie?

Okay, my number one is a little different. It's older, but it's Saving Private Ryan. Do you remember that one with Tom Hanks?

I told you, this is the stupidest thing because I went and they showed me the end of the movie first.

Yeah, they messed it up for you.

In the theater, I was like, wow, what an intense beginning to this movie. And then 11 minutes, you know, there's the great, all this stuff happens, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the credits roll. And I was like, well, that was very intense, but very short. And then someone comes and goes, we're so sorry. We started it at the end.

Yeah.

So my whole Saving Private Ryan experience is effed up. There was no twist to me.

Yeah, to you, you didn't get the twist.

So tell the whole deal.

Okay. So it starts off with an old man and his like family, like granddaughters going to visit a grave site at the Memorial Cemetery, you know, veterans. And he goes and he starts crying and then he starts telling the story. The whole movie, I'm thinking that this old man is Tom Hanks because the whole movie you're watching is this captain in the army in World War II.

who's trying to, he gets just sent to this mission to go find this private because his two brothers had died. So they want to make sure all three don't die.

Yeah.

They want to rescue him and send him home. That way they all three don't die the whole movie. You're thinking like, Oh, well this is, you know, this is the story of the captain. But then I had, As the movie goes on, you realize, wait a second. It's not about the captain. It's all about Private Ryan, who is Matt Damon. And the man telling the story is Matt Damon. And that's why he's telling the story is because he survived. That was a big twist for me.

Maybe for.

I never thought of that as a twist, but also I didn't get to twist.

Because you saw the end first.

Because I saw the end first. So I never... I think that's a great selection because I never would have even thought of that as a movie with a twist, possibly because of how I consumed that movie.

Yeah.

Mike, would you have thought that was a twist?

I wouldn't think of that as a twist either.

Really?

But how you say it, I fully agree.

Because it just sets you up in a way of like, well, who's this old man and what's the story? Like, okay. So it's got to be... Great pick.

Yeah.

Thank you. Great pick. And one of my favorite movies too. I love that movie.

I have a bad relationship with him. I know.

Sorry, dude.

I have a bad relationship. Mike, what's your number one movie?

My number one is also not a traditional twist. It is Avengers Affinity War because at the end of that one, the heroes don't win. And I've seen every single Marvel movie leading up to that. And I was like, okay, the good guys always win in the end. In that one, it ends with Thanos winning. And you're like, what is happening here? All these heroes are disappearing. Where's the good part?

Where's the fun part?

Yeah. That was how it ended, right? Because they started, like, some of them were disappearing.

Yeah, you see Spider-Man disappear, and you're like, why is Spider-Man about to die? And that's how that movie ends. But it's a setup for the next one, but it leaves you with, like, wait a minute, the heroes can lose? That's not supposed to happen.

That never happens.

I was a Thanos guy.

You were? Explain that.

Thanos only won what was best for everyone.

Which was?

The only way for Earth to survive and be healthy was by eliminating half the population. In the end, he wanted there to be a peaceful, thriving Earth. Otherwise, it would have all died. Like you're choosing to kill 50 but to save 50. Emphasis on the save. Otherwise, everybody's going to be dead.

So he did that for the goodness of– They painted him as a villain. They really did. He was the bad guy.

Why not double the resources though?

Can you do that? He can stab and do anything.

There was never an option to double the resources. And he's like, I'm just going to kill half the people. Double the resources.

Is there room to double the resources on Earth? Earth's limited. There's only so much space. Can you freely double the resources with the entire population that exists now?

But then he also wasn't going to tell people that he killed everybody.

That's great.

He was just going to accept all the praise of like, I saved all you guys, but I killed half of you to do it.

That's what I got from him.

I would have done the same thing.

You would just kill half the population?

Well, first you're asking me a tough decision.

He kills his daughter.

And that's how you know it mattered to him.

Stop it.

That's how you know it mattered to him.

He sacrificed his daughter.

It was more, it's not about him personally. It was about saving the earth and he had to sacrifice his daughter. And that was really tough and I felt bad for him. You're crazy. And imagine you had to make that decision.

That's tough. It's a tough one.

I don't want to. Everyone's eventually going to die or you kill half of them and half get to live. What do you do?

I go down with everyone.

You would let everybody die?

Guys, we're just all going to go down. But you're not. I'm not going to kill you to save me. To save me and half of you guys.

What about the train? Where the train's going down the track and you're going to hit somebody and kill somebody.

Yeah.

There's a family, right? There's a family crossing multiple people.

Oh, they're on the tracks?

They're on the tracks.

Okay.

But you can switch it and there's only one person over here. Now you can switch it and go kill that one person or you're already on this track to kill the three.

People that are there. Oh, gosh. And you can't stop the train?

What do you do? Now, the argument is, well, you're already on this course.

Mike, why did you pick this movie, dude?

Who are you killing, man?

The one person.

So you're going to switch the course and kill one person to save the three?

Yeah.

Some people's argument is, well, you've been put on this course for a reason, so something has to happen. You didn't pick the course. The course picked you. And they're in the way, so they have to go because naturally that's what happened. That's what you're saying. You just contradicted yourself.

I know. But in your scenario, I feel like I don't have a lot of time to think about that. Okay.

So go.

Ah, switch it. Because I see three in one.

Right?

Right. Ah, switch it. And it's just kind of subconsciously that's kind of what you do. If I really thought about it and had time, I would just be like, guys the world's going to end.

You can't. They're on the train track. No one can hear you.

Close my eyes. You decide.

You see no one. You close your eyes. It doesn't happen if you don't see it. Right. That's why I run yellow lights to go to red. I don't look at it when it goes yellow to red.

I didn't run it.

Keep my head down. Never saw a red light. Didn't really run a red light. That's a good one.

That is good, Mike.

Where the bad guys went except the bad guys didn't really. I don't know. I feel like he's totally bad. Leaders are often conflicted.

So do you think in this movie the good guy won?

I don't think there's good or bad here. I think he's paying it as bad, but I think it's a decision that a lot of people would have made.

Because the superheroes, they're automatically good people.

Yeah, but we spend more time with them. Like we learned.

Yeah.

Right? Yeah.

I mean, at times, like Captain America and Iron Man will fight against each other. And it's like, which one is good? Which one is bad?

Yeah. I didn't mean to pee on that. I just was like, I like it. I like the answer. I just, man, talk about Thanos. Like, he gets a raw deal. And then I started to get, my feelings hurt for him. Like, he's a real human.

He's just a character.

Josh Brolin, man.

Okay.

My number two is from 2015. It is Ex Machina.

Ooh.

That's a good one. Never seen that one.

I loved the movie. Twist or not. Way ahead of its time, dude. Yeah. So like AI, robot. So there's a dude named Caleb and he goes to this tech billionaire, let's just say like a Zuckerberg house, right? So he goes to this tech billionaire's house and he's supposed to evaluate this incredibly advanced robot, which basically now feels like AI. Yeah.

And so her name's Ava. And so she's attractive and looks like a human. And so Caleb develops feelings for her and starts believing he has to rescue her because she's being mistreated and she's being like raised in this like lab scenario. Oh, wow. And so the whole time you're rooting for him to save her and for them to get together. And what you don't realize is that she starts using his love for her and then she leaves him trapped inside. And she takes human skin and disappears into the world. Like she doesn't leave with him.

He saves her, but she traps him and she wins.

Do you know where she goes?

It just shows her disappearing off, right?

And she just leaves. Yeah.

Yeah.

That's messed up.

It's tough. And the whole movie ends up being about could the robot manipulate him? Because the whole time you're thinking, can he save, we'll call it the robot, but it turns out she was manipulating him the whole time, which is ahead of the time because like AI.

Oh my God.

This could happen now.

That's scary.

So he's fully like wounded and beat up and she gives herself like a full human appearance. And again, with human skin, I remember like, whose skin was it? Do you remember?

I think it was like artificial skin.

Was it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because she gets dressed and walks out. And then he thinks she's going to save him because of the relationship that they supposedly had. And she leaves him locked in the facility and then peace out. She's out.

So did you see any of that coming when you were watching it?

Yeah, but for a different reason. Just technology more than AI. It was like when Her was happening, that movie. It wasn't that I was predicting that as AI is what Her is. I just thought people would fall in love with bots or we weren't as advanced as we are now with AI. So... Just take AI and put it in place of technology. Yeah. Yeah, probably.

No, but I mean when you were watching the movie, when that happened.

Oh, no, no chance.

No, no.

No, not at all.

No, I was totally like, oh my God. I thought you meant in life. In life, yes. No, no, no.

You're like, yeah, of course.

Yeah. So she gets her freedom and he's stuck. She doesn't need him anymore.

Damn, that's terrible.

But she's not really a she. She's just a robot that's been taught to just survive. And she was able to manipulate using human instincts.

So she now has the instincts. There's no one's controlling her or anything. There isn't a master controller.

No, but she, you know how at the end of, this is not a twist and this is also a spoiler, but it's old. You know, the end of Castaway.

Yeah.

And he's just like, the roads are there and it's just, you don't know where he goes, but it shows the options of like him and like a three way or four way or whatever. Yeah.

The girl or two, two other ways.

It's kind of that.

She just disappears, and you don't really know what happened, but you can insert your own story. In my dreams, she meets Thanos.

And saves the world.

And they have a great relationship.

That house was sick, too.

Yeah. It was very... Even that was so far ahead of... Because you know those.

Those tech billionaire houses.

Those Zuckerbergs, Sam Altman, you know the... have that type of situation wherever they live now.

I'd love to go to their basement. They probably have some tech in there that's like, we're working on this.

There was a house I went to when I lived in Austin who was like a video game developer. And he was holding like a video game release party or something. And so we went to his house for a party. And this guy's house had tunnels inside the walls. And there was one specifically where it went from his bedroom to the kitchen. So if he had guests in the house, he's like, I'm going to bed. but he's really not going to bed and he wants to get a snack in the kitchen, he could go to the kitchen and access everything from behind. Like the refrigerator had two doors, the kitchen door and his tunnel door.

Sounds very cartel-esque.

Yeah, dude, it was crazy.

Was he so rich?

He was so rich. It was a castle. His house was a castle.

And you got to go? Yeah.

And it wasn't like, hey, here's my house. Just go wherever you want. It was like, yes, you can go to these rooms or whatever, but let me tell you about all these things I have in my house.

Imagine what you didn't see and the people that were tied up somewhere.

That you didn't get to go. No kidding.

Okay. Eddie, number two. Okay.

This is different. This is different. And a shocker. It's La La Land.

Uh, I've seen it. I can't place the twist except for, go ahead.

I mean the twist. Well, let, let me kind of set, set up the movie. Um, La La Land is a story of a girl who's trying to be a, an actress. She's a, you know, audition after audition. And then she meets, uh, a guy who's like a jazz musician. Um, and he's a jazz, I guess, purist, you know, he doesn't like new jazz. He likes old jazz and they fall in love.

Like they date, they fall in love. And then they just have the story, the Hollywood story of her just trying to be famous, him trying to be the purist, but also kind of taking the jobs that he has to just to survive and It's kind of just the Hollywood story. You got to do what you got to do to survive in Hollywood. And then they break up and they don't end up together. Like they are perfect for each other. The whole movie, you're just thinking like, wow, these two are the perfect couple. And then at the end, she gets married to some other dude, has a family with some other dude. And you're thinking like, what? After all this, they don't get together. And the movie ends perfect.

With them seeing each other and just being like, all right, I still kind of love you, but we're not together anymore.

I loved the ending.

It's amazing.

I like real life endings. It was a little bit Wonder Years-esque how that ends.

I don't remember how Wonder Years ended.

I think Kevin's at the airport or Wendy's at the airport with her family and Kevin gets off the plane, but you don't know that. Oh. Because he's telling the story and it's one of them and one of them.

Where are they going?

No, they're older. They're older. And it's like, yeah, and they came back to town and I was there and I met them and her and her husband and kids. And the whole time you think it's that.

It's the same deal where like you thought they would get together for sure.

And you don't know till the very end that they didn't and they're married to somebody else.

The whole movie I'm thinking like, oh, they're going to get back together. Like they have to get back together. And then she makes it as a movie star and she has a family. And he opens up his jazz bar that he's always dreamt of.

I like it when those hit you. Because you don't expect them because they, it's either something tragic or they get together.

But I didn't like that ending.

Like, I remember loving it because I didn't expect it and it felt like real life.

It did feel like real life. But that was the twist where I'm like, I don't like this at all. Good one. Good one.

Solid. Mike, number two.

I have The Mist. Have you ever seen The Mist?

Don't know the movie.

So it's a Stephen King story and it's about this family who they're, They have to go to a grocery store because everything's shutting down around them. And this big mist just covers the entire city. And there's all these monsters in the mist. So this entire community gets trapped in this grocery store. And they can't leave because if you leave, you're going to be attacked and killed by these monsters. One person tries to leave, they get killed.

So everybody stays in this grocery store. And they try to fight off these monsters. They eventually escape in this car. At the end of the movie, they get to a part where the car dies. It is a dad and his son who have been there together the entire time. They have these three other people with them. And they realize we're not going to get anywhere. We are stuck.

We have nowhere to go. This car is dead. And they can hear the monsters around them. So the dad decides the only thing we can do is kill everybody in the car. Because we're not going to survive. He doesn't want everybody to get taken out by the monsters. So he has a gun with four bullets, but there are five people inside. So he kills his son. He kills the other people in the car. And he's about to kill himself, but he ran out of bullets. So instead he gets out of the car and he goes to essentially let the monsters take him away. As he's about to do that, he hears a rumbling. It's the military.

Oh my gosh.

The military was just seconds away from saving them. And he just did all that. And that's how the movie ends.

That's terrible.

Okay, so there were monsters.

There were monsters. And the twist, you think they're about to come kill him. You hear the rumbling. They're about to take him out. And it's the military coming to rescue everybody. And if he would have just waited just a minute, he could have saved everybody. Nobody had to die.

I like that.

That's real life. He's a hero.

He had to choose. He had to choose.

And he did.

And the worst part is.

There's worse?

There was another woman who at the very beginning of the movie was like, I'm going to go try to save my family.

And she leaves.

Everybody thinks she's crazy for leaving. And they think she died because they hear these monsters come in. And he sees her on that military truck because she left when nobody else was. She was like, we need to go. We don't need to stay here. We need to go and get out of here. They thought she was crazy.

She was there with her entire family. They were all safe.

So do you ever see the monsters?

You really just see the shadows of them and you see people getting eaten by them because you just see the mist around everybody.

And there are real monsters.

There are real monsters.

It's not like the village.

No, they're actually real, but they just could have waited.

What a crazy... Dude, what's up with people just killing their kids like that?

But he was doing it so they'd have to go through the torture of being eaten by a monster.

They didn't want to suffer, so this is quicker.

Yeah, like he was doing it out of a place of compassion.

And he thought by saving, like not using the bullet on himself, he was.

He was going to get the torture.

Yes, he's like, I'll take the worst death by being killed by them. And then he ends up surviving.

And then he gets rescued. That is a terrible, terrible ending.

It's the most devastating ending, and I love it when movies end like that because I love feeling that pit in my stomach of like, oh, that makes me feel awful. But if a movie gives me that kind of reaction where it just sticks with me, I love it.

Was that a good movie?

Really good movie.

Sounds good.

I can't wait to watch it.

You heard everything. You just go in there and be like, pretend I didn't know any of this.

It's been completely ruined for me.

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My number three is a movie that I watched probably 20 years after it came out and is really good. And it's probably one of the biggest twists of all time. I think I watched it last year. The prestige.

Oh, Christopher Nolan.

Yes, because I was doing the Christopher Nolan walk because he had all the, all the, it's like the Odyssey's coming out.

Oh, you wanted to watch all those movies?

No, I didn't watch all of them, but I watched a lot of them. Hmm. And so I watched The Prestige, and Christian Bale is in the movie, and he's a magician. And the whole time, it's him and Hugh Jackman and their rival magicians. Yes. And so they're trying to figure out each other's tricks. And so they're both doing these duplication tricks. We're like, I'm here. Walk in. They come out.

I'm over there. Okay.

Okay.

And so they're both trying to figure out how each of them are doing it. Am I explaining this right? It's like also in like the late 1800s.

Okay, that's my question. Yeah.

So the whole time you're just wondering how this is going to end and they're competing to be like the best, the most known in their area. There's not social media. Like you're the guy in the city. They're in the theater and people are falling in love with them. And so it turns out that Christian Bale– and they have– Christian Bale is this guy who's in love with two women.

And he always acts different. He acts this way with the one and he acts this way with the different one. And so then you realize it's twins that have decided to keep the trick going. They live one life.

What?

And that's why they've each fallen in love with different women. Because one of them's in love with this one, one of them's in love with this one. But even their finger, they burnt their fingerprints off, I believe. So they couldn't have, they had the same, even same fingerprints. Dang. So they were living life as one person to be the most successful magician ever. Now, that happens and you're like, dang, that's a twist. The crazier part.

That's not the twist.

It is. It's a big one, but it's not, it's like the twist with it. Hugh Jackman the whole time, who's a magician as well, he did this thing where he gets like dumped in water and then he's tied up and dumped in water and he comes out somewhere else. Like, oh my God. So the whole time, like Nikolai Tesla's in this and he.

Invented the Tesla.

Not quite. But he was doing Tesla stuff and Tesla had a machine. He was using it. So what had happened with Wolverine was... Hugh Jackman.

Yeah.

Was he'd go into the water, be tied up. He would die every single time. Tesla's machine would then recreate him and it was a new one every time. Whoa. So he would walk out and he was like living a new life every time.

And what did Tesla really do? Like... Like... I know there's like lightning or electricity.

Yeah.

A lot of energy and like maybe time travel.

Maybe.

Yeah.

According to this movie.

Coil. I invented the coil. A lot of energy distribution. I'm not going to explain it properly because I'm sure I can look it up. But that's what I would say just off the dome.

He probably invented that thing that, you know, the ball that when you touch, the things come to your hand. You get that at Spencer's? You know what I'm talking about? Goes your fingers. I love that thing. Dude, I always wanted one of those things. My parents would never let me get it.

Yeah. There's also the thing, too. I think where one of them lost a finger, so the other one had to cut his finger off to match.

Yeah, I think Christian Bale lost like two of his fingers.

So then now he's got to cut off your fingers.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. I hope I explained that right because I didn't really watch it for this.

I followed you. So, yeah.

Yeah.

Overall, good movie. It sounds like you really enjoyed that movie.

It was good, and then after it was over, it was great.

It was one of those.

I enjoyed it while I was watching it, and I was going, man, this is pretty good, but everybody raved about it. Maybe I'm just missing it. Maybe it's old, 20 years old. And then when it ends, you're like, oh, my God.

You get it.

It was awesome. So, yeah, I think I made that movie make sense. Does that feel good to you?

It also came out at a time where there was two competing magician movies, and there's also one called The Illusionist with Edward Norton, and they're very similar.

Really? Yeah. Don't spoil it.

I want to see it.

Okay, Eddie, your third.

Okay, my third one is Parasite. Oh, good one. Parasite was wild. I don't even know how to explain this movie. When people say like, oh, what's it about? I don't know how to explain it to you because... Will you please do this in Korean? Say it in Korean. The subtitles?

I need you to just explain in Korean what you mean.

Oh, you got it.

Okay.

So, it's about a family that Kind of just feed on rich people. Like this family lies and says that they have all these credibilities to work for a rich family. Like credentials? Yeah, the credentials. Like the mom is the housemaid and then the dad's the driver for the family. And then a son comes in and he's like the art teacher or the daughter's– or he's a tutor or the daughter's– At some point, the whole family works for the rich family, but the rich family doesn't know that they're all related. And the whole point is for them to just kind of like live off the rich. When the rich family's out of town, they live in the house like it's theirs. Like it's awesome, right? Yeah. Until they realize that there is a secret chamber in that

house and somebody lives in the secret chamber and they did exactly what they were doing. Back in the day. They're just stuck in the house now. Did I do a good job explaining that?

Can you do better, Mike?

I think that's pretty much it. Because then, yeah, the twist is them finding them in the basement. And you think the entire time that the family is the parasite. But the real parasite is the people in the basement.

There were other parasites there before this family.

But those parasites that were there before the family, they're put in the basement.

They weren't put there.

No, they're hiding.

They're hiding in there.

Oh, they're hiding. It's been a while since I've seen it. Yeah.

So the rich family that lives there, they don't even know that that part of the house exists.

So there's. The parasite, and there's a parasite, parasite.

Yeah, it's like first-generation parasite, second-generation parasite.

They'll just come out at night, and they just kind of realize that their food is missing from the fridge, and their stuff kind of moved around, but they never see them.

Dude, it's bizarre. And then once that guy gets discovered in the basement— Is it one guy or a whole family down there? It's a couple. It's a married couple, but the living down there is the only one guy. But when he gets discovered, it just creates chaos. Like chaos. Now you know my secret. You know our secret. I'm going to tell the boss. And so they start killing each other. It's basically like don't tell my secret. And whoever is the last to live.

Gets to be the ultimate parasite.

Yes, be the ultimate parasite.

I remember watching it and really liking it. I don't remember all that.

Really?

Yeah, it was a one-timer for me because I didn't want to sit through subtitles again. It's in Korean. It is in Korean.

But I did.

Like it, and for a while, you said it was your favorite movie ever.

Top five. And then more movies come out, and it gets bummed down a little bit, but I think it's still one of my top five. Dude, what's crazy is when I watched that for the third time maybe with my son, who loves movies, there is a nugget in that movie where you realize someone else is living in a house, and you find out later watching the movie, but Early on in the movie, there's a light that flickers in the background. And that's the dude in the basement trying to communicate with people up top. But they don't ever address it. And my son, after watching 10 minutes, 20 minutes of that movie, he's like, that light keeps flickering.

I wonder why. And I'm like, dude, I've seen this movie twice and I've never noticed that. And it's pretty amazing that he noticed that. He's like, yeah, that light keeps flicking. I wonder what's up with that.

Did that win awards?

Won Best Picture, yeah. It was the first international movie to win Best Picture.

It was really good.

I just don't remember it clearly.

Do you remember the end at the birthday party?

For some reason, I thought there was a grandma involved.

It's not a grandma. It's the guy's wife. Okay.

Tell me what happens. But don't spoil it. Well. No, go ahead.

The guy, the basement guy, dude, he just comes out and starts like killing everyone. There's a birthday party.

Even the rich people?

The rich people, the rich people are having a birthday party for their kid. And he just comes out and starts attacking everyone in front of the party. Dude, that movie is just bizarre.

I love that ending.

It's like real life. He's a hero.

Some would say he's a hero. All right, Mike, you're third.

I'm going to go with Saw. I love horror movies, and this has one of the best twists in all of horror because it's about two guys who wake up. They don't know how they got there. They're chained to essentially like a giant pipe, and they have to play this deadly game to survive. That's what the entire Saw franchise is. The entire time, there is a dead guy in the middle of the room, and they just woke up there. There's some dead guy here. We don't really question it a whole lot. At the end of the movie, you find out that that dead guy has been the guy orchestrating the entire game. And he gets up at the end of the movie, and he rips off the prosthetics, and he was there the whole time manipulating them.

He was never dead?

He was never dead. But you find out that he has cancer, and everybody connected to this story was involved in his treatment, and they all kind of did him wrong. So the entire Saw premise is, like, you need to learn to value your life. Because he has cancer, he's like, I'm about to lose my life, so I need to make other people who are taking their life for granted kind of have this realization of, like, You're not living your life to your full extent. I'm about to die.

Make him appreciate it.

So make him appreciate it. So he puts him towards these games of like, hey, I'm giving you the decision. You can choose to live. If you don't win this game, you die because you're not fully living your life. But he was there the entire time manipulating them. He gets up and basically leaves the other guy in there forever to die.

I've never seen this all movies.

Neither have I.

So that's not the guy that goes, you rang?

You want to play a game?

Oh, I'm thinking of Lurch.

Your ring is Adam's family.

I'm thinking of Lurch and Adam's family, yeah.

It is that guy. So his name is Jigsaw.

But I thought he was dead.

He's not dead. He's dying.

But I thought he was playing dead in the movie.

Yes. But he has all the messages already pre-recorded. So everybody has these.

Oh, everything's pre-recorded?

Yeah, so everybody has tape recorders on them, and they just play the message that explains the game to them.

And that's why it sounds like it's coming from a radio? Yeah.

That's why it sounds like that. He has this clicker in his hand that shocks the people in the room. So he can manipulate them.

Is he a hero?

Yeah.

Let me think about this.

Yes.

Is he a murderer though?

You know what's kind of crazy? He's a criminal.

He's a criminal.

Dude, that's crazy that like a horror movie like that is deep. Like that's kind of rare, right? When you have like a deep, deep meaning behind like why they're killing. Question.

Because I don't watch horror movies.

But.

Wasn't Jason or someone who was beat up?

He was bullied as a kid.

And that's why he does this? It's not just that he's a horrible person? It manifested itself in terrible ways, but he was someone who's taken his trauma out because he was abused. He's also abusing.

He had an abusive mom. He drowned in the lake. So it's kind of his revenge.

He died? Yeah.

So he's dead too?

But he died. He came back from death to kill.

Yeah. In the first one, you never even see Jason.

It's not real. It's unbelievable. I can't watch that.

And that's not real.

You can't come back to life.

In the first Friday the 13th, you never see Jason. It's his mom the entire time.

Oh, wow.

And then in the second one, it's actually Jason.

The person with the mask in the first one is his mom?

You never see Jason's mask in the first one. You just see from the first perspective.

The hockey mask doesn't come out until two? I didn't realize that.

Really? Really? I never watched any of them, though. That'd be 80s, early 80s.

Yeah, early 80s.

What about Freddy? How can we make him a good guy? Was he burned as a kid?

He's just a nightmare, though, isn't he? He's not real.

I like this.

Let's make bad people good. Can you understand how canceled we'd get if we just took real people that were bad and tried to make them good?

Can't do that with Freddy because he'd mess with kids.

He did? Yeah.

And the entire... What do.

You mean he messed with kids?

I believe he abused kids. And the families took justice on killing him because of what he did to kids.

So he's all hate. You hate him.

They burned him. And then he comes back and he says, I'm going to get your kids where you can't protect them in their dreams.

Oh, I don't like that.

So, yeah, probably can't make Freddy a good guy.

Huh.

Okay.

Well, who's the Halloween guy? Michael Myers?

Michael Myers.

Michael Myers. Austin Powers. Not Austin Powers.

Michael Myers went to a psych ward.

Oh, so he had mental health issues.

He had mental health issues and he escapes and he goes on a rampage of killing babysitters.

Mental health is so important.

It is important.

He didn't have money for therapy.

That's the point of this.

If someone would have just gotten better help.

Maybe none of that would have happened.

I went and said, Freddy Krueger. Is there anything about Freddy Krueger that can make us think he was good? The response. Freddy Krueger, question mark. As a person? No, he was a child murderer.

You nailed it.

Before becoming the nightmare monster, so there isn't much good guy who lost his way argument. But if you want to find a positive angle, he had a sharp, sarcastic sense of humor. He was creative. He used people's individual fears to build elaborate nightmares. This dude sucks. Resourceful. He could turn almost anything in a dream into a weapon.

Yeah, but that's because it was a dream. That was a fantasy world. How is he– I don't understand. Like how could he get people in their nightmares? Like so he wasn't real?

He lived in like the dream world, so he would suck them into his world.

And then– but then in the real world, they would wake up and they.

Would be– Yeah, he could like peek out. If he got strong enough, he could come into the real world, but only for a little bit.

And we don't know his backstory, why he's like that?

No. Didn't you interview him on Mike's Movie Podcast?

I did.

The actor?

No, the real one. The real guy? Mike was like, why'd you kill kids?

No, the real guy's in prison.

He's actually like a really nice guy. England? Robert England.

Robert England.

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Do you want to hear bad guys who are actually probably good guys that just lost their way?

Yeah.

There are some spoilers here. So this is just a list I typed it in that popped up. Number one, Magneto.

Magneto.

From X-Men, the bad guy there. He's a Holocaust survivor determined to prevent another persecuted population, which is mutants, from being exterminated. Dang. So his whole deal is he's protecting the mutants?

Yeah, because him and Professor X are kind of like, they come from the same background, but they see things differently on how to handle the relationship between humans and mutants. And Magneto takes a more like, No, they're going to come after us. They're going to persecute us. They're going to eliminate us. So we need to go and fight against them.

Another one is Darth Vader.

Do you know why? Well, he was Anakin Skywalker.

Anakin wants to protect the people he loves. His fear of losing him makes him vulnerable to manipulation and becomes the very thing that they need protection from.

That's also a good twist, finding out that.

He's his father. That's a really good twist.

Back in the day. Yeah.

And you're right with him because he, and you've never seen these, right?

I mean, I know the stories from culture.

When he dies, like in Return of the Jedi, he kind of does– you feel sorry for him. Before all the backstories came out, when he dies, I mean, he takes his mask off and he gets humanized as like someone who was completely brainwashed into thinking what he was doing was the right thing. And he wanted to be forgiven by his son before he died.

I love movies that end like that, real life. Another one's Gollum from Lord of the Rings.

My precious.

Is that who that was?

That's him, right?

I've seen Lord of the Rings. I made myself watch him.

My precious. That's him?

That's him.

That's way better than mine.

Bald dude? Yeah.

That's Gollum?

Yeah. This is more an ordinary person corrupted. The ring consumes his life, but enough of Smigel?

Smeagol?

Smeagol. And that survives that you can see the person worth saving.

I thought that was the same guy. Who's Smeagol?

Maybe it is the same guy. I don't know. I'm just reading this. But Thanos does make the list.

He does make the list?

Of course.

No, he believes overpopulation will.

Exhaust the universe's resources.

And that overpopulation leads to starvation and collapse. In his mind, eliminating half of all life will allow the surviving half to thrive.

Stop.

He sees himself as the only person willing to make the terrible sacrifice to save everyone else.

Does he ever say that? Like, I feel like... I should, you know, I should save everyone. I don't think he ever says that.

He doesn't have to.

Well, based on that description.

Judge someone by their actions than their words.

Their actions are louder than words.

Justice for Thanos, man.

Dude, you've been on that one for years.

When I first watched the movie, it was a plot hole to me. I was like, wait a minute.

You got the wrong guy.

So- I literally typed into AI what are the three biggest movie twists ever, and this is what they say. And I would have picked one of these. It wasn't my favorite, but I would have thought this was the number one. It was Sixth Sense.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Because at the end of that movie when you find out that he's also a ghost, you're like, oh, my God. I remember walking out of that movie and being like, oh, my God, my life has changed.

He was dead the entire time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was dead the entire time.

Yeah.

And it was crazy. Yeah. I remember the theater going, oh.

They're all talking to each other.

Yeah. So that was one. Another one that I probably would have picked is Fight Club.

Oh, that's a good one. Because Brad Pitt. never real. He's not real. It's part of his mind.

Yeah. One I wouldn't have picked because I've never seen it. This comes in at number three on theirs. I've never seen The Usual Suspects. Yeah.

That's one that I probably would have picked, but I feel like it's– because that twist is huge. Sammy Sosa?

Yeah.

Nope.

Kaiser Sosa.

Kaiser Sosa. Not Sammy.

Dang.

Close, though.

The only thing that ruins that for me now is that it's, what's his name?

Kevin Spacey.

Kevin Spacey. And it's like, it's such a great ending, but it's like Kevin Spacey. If you could use AI to replace an actor in an old movie that you can't really be a fan of anymore, that's where I would use it.

Yeah. So then what's the twist? Can you guys walk me through what that movie is?

So essentially, he goes in for questioning. He's the only survivor of a shootout. And so they bring him into questioning and the entire time he's telling the detective this story. What the detective doesn't realize is he's been using things behind him the entire time to create the story. Like he'll see like a lady on the wall and he's like, okay, and he'll use that to describe the character. Even like some of the names, it'll be like the name on the bottom of the coffee cup. So he's just getting drilled in this entire time trying to figure out who Kaiser Soze is.

He's like, who is he?

I know you were there. You know all these people. He ends up leaving that investigation and The detective is standing there, and he starts looking at his board, and he sees all the details that he told him on the wall. He sees the names, and then it all clicks to him. And at that same time, he gets a fax, and that fax comes in as there's somebody in the hospital describing what Kaiser Sosa looks like, and it's a fax of Kevin Spacey. So you see Kevin Spacey walking out of the office, and he also had, like, a disability.

Yeah, he has, like, a limp.

He has, like, a limp in, like, his hands, and then you see his, like... Feet just kind of change and start walking straight. And then he, like, pulls out a cigarette, starts smoking it, puts on some sunglasses, and you realize he was Kaiser Soze the entire time.

So there was a Kaiser Soze. It was just him.

Yeah, it was him.

And he made up this entire persona of somebody else, Verbal Kent, that was just another guy that was never really there.

So when did him and Mark McGuire hit home runs?

When were they using steroids?

I don't really see how that fits into this.

That's not a thing.

One of the movies I thought about for my own was Inception.

Oh, yeah.

Because, and the reason I didn't commit to it, I don't know if it was a twist or it just gave you options. Because at the end, you're wondering, are they still in the dream or not? Because it ends up with the top spinning, right?

Yeah, I think there's a couple levels that could be a twist. Because the twist I see is that Leonardo DiCaprio, it's revealed that he ended up doing Inception on his wife. Because the entire time he sees visions of his wife, and that is what's kind of ruining all the attempts at Inception. Because he keeps having these memories of her dying.

And it's kind of like throwing off the entire dream. And what it's revealed is that he is the one who did Inception on her and essentially caused her own death.

I've never seen it. Oh, our bad. After all that. Thanks, guys. No, I mean, it's older, right? Like, I should have seen it by now. 2010, yeah.

But that's Nolan, too, right? Yeah. Christopher Nolan. Yeah, that was good. I liked it. I saw the theaters.

Is Truman Show a good twist?

For him. You know as the audience the entire time.

Even from the beginning? Yeah.

Yeah, because you're meeting Paul Giamatti, who's running it, and the people in the control room.

I think the voiceover at the beginning says everything.

That's one of my favorite movies ever.

It's a twist just to him. Just to Truman.

I love that movie.

It's a good one.

There's not a lot that we can clip from this.

Yeah, a lot of spoilers.

I'll let them do that job of figuring out what we're clipping. Or if we go spoiler, this movie. But here's something that I do know that we can clip, and it was something that just happened. So there is a new Norm MacDonald documentary on Netflix. I love Norm.

Yeah.

One of my favorite comedians ever. So I'm going to recommend three other documentaries on Netflix right now that you can watch. The Greatest Night in Pop is We Are the World.

That's the best, dude. It's so good.

Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson, and then everybody coming in.

Yep.

And them trying to find a place for Bob Dylan. Like that's a big part of it.

And teaching Bob Dylan.

And he's even nervous about it.

He doesn't know how to sing it.

It's a really great documentary. Even if you're too young to know that song, they all got all these famous people together to sing for a cause. And it's a very famous song.

The nightmare that it was to get all those people together in one room. And they only had one night.

Because it was after an award show.

Yes. They only had one night to do it.

So I recommend The Greatest Night in Pop. There's also Icarus. It's one of the best documentaries I've ever seen because what happens is it's a filmmaker and he's also an amateur cyclist. And his whole goal is to see if he can use performance enhancing drugs to beat drug tests. But while he's doing that, he kind of starts learning about how people are cheating and gets roped into like the underworld of it.

Oh, wow.

It's great.

I don't want to say too much. Do you feel like I described that properly? Yeah, it's a good, it's, You don't expect it to go there. Maybe now if you read the preview, it says that, but I didn't. I just thought it was an interesting concept where someone's just going to take drugs to see if it helps them win races. And that's what he started to do, but then he got into the world of just how dirty the sport is. So that's good. And then Jim and Andy, The Great Beyond, which I love Andy Kaufman.

And that movie, Man on the Moon, is my favorite movie ever. And so Jim Carrey played him in the movie, but the documentary is Of Jim Carrey while he was making that movie. And he was fully in character. Heck, he thought Andy Kaufman had taken him over. And he was so difficult to work with because he was Andy Kaufman.

Yes, always.

Always.

They had to want to punch him in the face every second.

I remember watching that.

The movie or the doc?

The doc. And thinking, I would never be able to handle that.

Ever. Same. It's so good, though. The documentary is so good. I would watch the movie first if you haven't seen it. If you care enough about Andy Kaufman. My favorite movie ever. And then watch the documentary after. But I'm not a Jim Carrey guy. I'm not anti-Jim Carrey. But three of my favorite four movies ever are Jim Carrey movies. I love Man on the Moon. I love The Truman Show.

And I love Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

So good.

You know what doesn't make it?

All righty then.

Ace Ventura.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Another good one, though. You should like that one.

But that's what people know him from, like being crazy, like the Masked Joker.

Yeah, yeah. What about Sonic the Hedgehog 2? He's pretty solid in that.

The villain. Those are not. The ones I love are the ones where he's playing something a little different. But three of my top four or five movies ever are those movies.

Yeah.

Jim and Andy, A +. They're also doing something where they're bringing more classic movies back to theaters for different anniversaries.

Do you like going to those?

I love going to those. I went to see Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles last year.

Loved it. What did you see? Back to the Future.

Did you take your kids?

My son.

He like it?

I mean, he's seen it before. It's just for me, it was like just going back to 1985, you know, like watching that with my brother and just going to the movie theater. And remember what it felt like to go to the movie theater and watch that movie for the first time. Because I've watched that movie probably 200 times.

They're going to do Rocky for the 50th anniversary.

Let's go.

And then they're going to do It's a Wonderful Life for the 80th anniversary in December.

You like that movie.

I've never seen It's a Wonderful Life.

You've never seen It's a Wonderful Life?

No.

At Christmas, any Christmases.

I've probably flipped through when I used to flip through. I wasn't just on streaming platforms.

Dude, will you please do me a favor and just watch that movie one time? I feel like you would love it.

You may just watch some old movie once for the show and you're like, it's the greatest movie ever.

I still stand by that.

And it is garbage.

Rope was awesome.

I bet back then it was really cool. I liked Rope.

Thank you, Mike. Rope is amazing.

Is there a twist on that where the body's like in the.

Yeah.

Is that a twist or do we know?

No, you know the whole time.

You know because that's how it starts.

Got it.

It starts where they're like, we have a body. What do we do with it?

And they come over for a dinner party and the body's inside the piano or something. But it's from like the 50s, 60s.

Probably 40s.

No, even earlier.

No, maybe 50s. Maybe 50s.

I hated it.

Yeah. Dude, It's a Wonderful Life, though, is different. It's so different. I will warn you, it's long.

No need to warn me. I'm not watching it.

Dude, please watch it.

I don't need the warning.

You would love it.

No, I'm good.

Thank you, boys. Thank you, man.

Everybody subscribe to Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. He does a great podcast on movies, new movies, old movies, medium movies, movies that end happy, movies that end sad, movies that end like real life. All the movies. He talks about it. Has a lot of great actors on as well and directors.

What do you do? You're just here.

Me? No, I'll be here.

I'll be here. Okay, just making sure. I'm not leaving.

All right. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys for listening. And we will see you guys soon.

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