To Be Brutally Honest… (S1 Ep22 "Goodbye for Now")

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While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.

I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and.

I'm Emerson Tenny.

Well, welcome back everyone. It's so good to see you.

Another exciting week.

We are going to be talking about episode twenty two this week, Goodbye for Now.

Which aired on May fifteenth, two thousand and five.

But before we do, we're getting so close to the end of the season, and it just made me want to reflect on Like, how's this been for you?

Andrew?

Like rewatching this? And Emerson like, you know, I don't know, have you been surprised by anything about me as your mom like in the show or like in our podcast. I mean, I can't believe we're almost done with the first season. Like what do you guys think?

I know, it's crazy. Well, I can go first. I mean, and Andrew, I really want to hear what you are thinking too.

I am just I am blown away by both of you. And also I really have not ever I mean, obviously both my parents are actors, and I recognized in the course of this, I have not had the experience of really watching like a full body of work from one of my parents, and obviously we have many seasons to go. But it's really inspiring and it makes me feel so proud of you.

I know that's kind of a weird thing for a kid to I'll take it, but you're amazing and you're so funny.

And there's parts of it where I feel like I'm just watching the show, and then parts of it were very much and watching my mom, who's a badass, and then parts of it where I see like we resemble each other a little bit more like when you were in your forties and as I'm in my late twenties, and that's.

Been really cool.

And also like, wait, what like this is like I have like similar mannerisms and yeah, I mean it's.

I remember you used to You used to tell me that when you were at your dad's and you would do something silly and some sort of weird nighttime bunky dance move or whatever, that he would say, Oh, that reminds me of your mom.

That is true, he.

Would say that. And I do think we have some of the same unintentional physical funky, yanky dance. It was unintentional physical mannerisms. Anyway, It's I love.

That unintentional physical mannerism.

I know it so technical. I'm like, funky dance.

Boops, no, no, Andrew, they were unintentional physical mannerism.

But it's been it's been a joy, and I am excited for season two and on this episode twenty two, I mean, I know we have one more episode left, but it's already setting up so many cliffhangers and I can't wait to see where it goes.

Andrew, how do you feel?

I feel like I also can't believe that we are almost at the end of season one. How much has happened. How much I remembered of the show really was confined to the first season, Like, yeah, I know we talk about not remembering too much, but the things I do really remember about the storylines of the show seemed to all have been season one. And so I'm really excited, obviously that we have so many more episodes to get to explore and new characters to learn about and all those things. And I think it's been a really special thing to get to rewatch our work. I'm so proud of us.

I'm just amazing so are you.

And I'm so enjoying that part of it and getting to do that has been a trippy part of this whole thing and really really cool and exciting. I cannot believe that we are one episode away from the finically.

I know, I've really enjoyed a lot of the sort of topics that we've gotten into away from, just like the character and script sort of analysis. And one of them actually was I was doing the thing I'm trying to not do anymore, which is scrolling through Instagram. Of course when I get in the bed, I stop it.

I know, I'm trying to make girls. But last night I did come across a good one and it kind of like brought me back to this episode. So and also just to marry Alice in general. So Mary Alice. One of the things I've learn about looking at the whole first season is how she's offering us a perspective from beyond the grave, you know, from beyond life. And you know, it starts with the sort of everyone is living lives of quiet desperation, which I think is true to some degree. And in this episode in particular, we do get introduced to Bri and Rex, where there's so much complicated stuff going on with Brie and the pharmacist George, and is George killing Rex? And Rex is getting closer to having, you know, permanent tragic heart trouble. And there's

this moment between the two of them where they're in the hospital and Rex is like, I'm going to die and Brie says, yeah, well we're all going to die and the combination of that. So I found this thing on Instagram. So it was called The title of the Instagram post was a brain surgeon's check life for not wasting your life.

Oh, I know, right, And so it gave.

These exams couples of things that we don't do, like realizing that you could die any day, or postponing everything for the right time or when you have less stress or when you feel more control. And it offered the idea that time doesn't wait and you don't have forever, which really again reminded me of Rex and Breed. It sounded like something Mary Alice would say. So one of it was and just imagine Brenda Strong's voice. Okay, your life is not measured in years, It's measured in what you notice, notice your life while it's happening. Your child's laugh, the way sunlight hits the floor, the taste of coffee.

And I was like, right, that could be on that could be a line from the opening of any episode.

It's really fun, I know.

And that's why I just sort of like and I and I wanted to say, you know, I have had people ask me about like what do you do as you're aging, you know, to like be grateful or like how do you have a good attitude? And because aging is hard, and one of the things I always talk about is how much I notice little things. And when this particular article was talking about the sunlight on the floor, I can tell you that almost every day in my bedroom, my cat, who everyone knows I'm obsessed with, fig will lay on the floor, on the hardwood floor, in the stream of sunlight that comes through in the morning and hits across the floor, and I will notice that, like how amazing that this animal is seeking the sun and

just relaxing into the warmth of the new day. And I don't know, like I notice things like that, and I really do think that has helped me, like with mental health.

Oh yeah, you're big on that. You're really big on that. And I think it's super honest and true that the more we can incorporate noticing those moments throughout every single day and having the realization that life is measured by those types of pleasure and that we don't have to do anything to get them except or acknowledge them. It's accessible to us at any moment. Yeah, is so wonderful and feeling and just great.

I couldn't agree more.

I've been feeling that with the rain in La recently, and I'm.

In New York right now.

I was walking down the street and like feeling the cool air on your face and just being like, Ah, I get to be in this human body and have this incredible, rare experience and moment of life and joy. And as Brie says to Rex, you know we're all gonna die, Like we don't know when that's gonna happen. Sometimes maybe we think we know more than other times, but She's.

Like, I could die next week. I could get hit by a bus.

And I love that reminder to be in the present moment, enjoying your life and seeing the best in it, and actually makes me think about Susan in this episode, moving in with Mike and all of the questions around like how soon is too soon to move in, and her friends you know, sitting her down for an intervention basically to say that they think he's suspicious and it's it's too soon, and she says that she doesn't want to expect the worst in people, that she's spent so much time in her life expecting the worst in people because of her trauma, and for once, she's going to try to expect the best, and that I know it's not exactly like noticing the moments of your life, but it it kind of feels like it falls into that category

for me of like, you know what, it doesn't kill us to expect the best, because here's the truth, You're still going to be just as disappointed if someone hurts you or if someone reveals something that is upsetting as you would be if you had expected them to reveal it all along. So why not live in the time that you can in the moment of expecting the best from the people? Right? Totally?

And I have to agree. I completely love that scene. I love that scene so much that I actually wrote the quote down here and she says here, so basically, you know what got set up here is that Edie in her sort of manipulative like yes, I can't stand Susan being a happy way gets all the girls to do an intervention because they think that maybe Susan is moving in with Mike too soon, which is another thing we.

Should talk about. We should talk about, like.

What is yeah, well, which I do want to talk about.

When is it too soon to move in with your you know, significant other? Anyways, So they all kind of like point out all these things that could potentially be wrong with Mike, and Susan sits there and this is what she says. In my life, I've been hurt a lot, and well, it's taught me to expect the worst from people, and I don't want to live like that anymore. And when he asked me to move in, I was so ridiculously happy, and I want to go with that. I I'm going to expect the best. And when I solved myself doing this scene, and you know, I talk a lot about people assume that you are your character, right, And there are many ways that Susan and I are different, But in this moment, I actually wish I could be

more like Susan, you know, like I felt. I think I agree with what you're just saying, Emerson, like, this was a great brave moment for her, like and the way I acted it, which is so weird because usually I have a lot of notes on my acting. I'm like, that could have been better, that was not I didn't believe that whatever, But I loved the sort of just spontaneity of the way Susan expressed I'm ridiculously happy, and it made me think about when are we happy? And am I happy? And can I tell you guys something that's like this is going to sound sort of sad, and I wasn't going to reveal this, but now I sort of am because I'm saying I wish I wish I had a little bit more of that whatever that moment was that Susan was experiencing this scene because I

was at my physical therapist last week and I've been seeing one for about a year because I had frozen shoulder and that was really awful and I'm sort of past that, but I really enjoy how she keeps my body sort of spiritually in line and it's a good practice. So I go once a week and she was working on a part of my body and just suddenly said to me, are you happy?

And I started crying. Oh wow, And I was like, I guess not.

I mean, I guess if the core reaction to you asking me if I'm happy is my eyes well up with tears, that can't be a good sign. And I sort of said to her, thank you for pointing that out to me, because I feel like many of us or walking around with the repression of what is honest inside our body, and I think I project happiness.

I mean, you know, and by the.

Way, true at once.

Yes, I was just going to say, you can be two things at once.

There is a whole hell of a lot of me that is happy, thrilled, satisfied, grateful, all of those things. But it doesn't mean that, I guess. I guess there is some pain in me somewhere that I'm still working on dealing with.

Well.

It's interesting too, because we've talked. We've talked a little bit about like paying attention to brain cues versus body cues, and I've said that I often listened to my brain way louder than I listened to what my body might be telling me. And that is such a clear example of your body ignoring something. Yeah, your body is telling you something. And when I was watching the same scene and Susan has that moment, it's it's brave to stand up to your friends who are all expressing concern, because it can be very easy to just go, oh, okay, I guess you're right, or oh okay. And she defends her reasoning pretty simply and straightforward because she's saying what I felt was just really happy, and that's what I'm

going to pay attention to. And I don't think a lot of people do that. I think it's really hard to do that. To listen to your body, to listen to your body, I think it's super super hard. There's just we're all just such analytical creatures, and you know, we it's just easier when we feel like we can outsmart something.

And I know we're told a lot that we're supposed to just override cues. Like I'm thinking even especially as women, but as all people, like oh you have a headache, well you should just take an advent and go to work, or like, oh you're on your period, you're feeling really tired, Well, you know you still have to show up for that meeting.

Like we really do not live in a world that prioritizes body cues over like the corporate work clock of when we are telling ourselves that we are supposed to do things, and I think you practice that so much and then you can do it in other places in your life.

It's funny.

I did have a similar experience quite a few months ago, but with a friend where I was out with a friend and we hadn't seen each other in a while, and we like had been out, and then we sat down and we like went to get dinner drinks and he's like, how are you? And I just burst into tears and.

I was like, no, I mean I'm good. I think I'm good. No, I think I'm really good. He's like, yeah, you look really good.

Like you look like And sometimes it does take the confluence of like being in a certain place, having someone that you really trust like that to override the voice that constantly tells us not to listen to our body or to just keep moving forward, and to really check in with yourself and be like, WHOA, what actually am I feeling?

Yeah? Well, I also I think so we mentioned we want to talk about the whole move in concept of like is there an appropriate time, how much time should you take before you make that leap. I also think another element that we should talk about is raising red flags or your friends coming to you and having a collective opinion about who you're dating. Yeah, because I have this a little bit in my own life. There's a relationship in my life that I have feelings about or I have concerns about, and trying to figure out when and how it's appropriate to express a concern is a puzzle that I have not been able to solve. And it's not even the meddling thing. It's the it's the idea of I can't not say something, so it's figuring

out how to do that. And I also know that other people feel this way, and so it's like, is it stronger to individually approach the situation or stage some sort of intervention.

Yeah, I've never been part of an intervention. I don't think like that. I'm not recalling that, but and I know as I mean as it applies to you, Emerson, I i'mit interesting to hear your reflection on my reflection because I feel like in your you know, seven years since you've been twenty one and you're having your life out of college, I feel like I work pretty hard to keep my thoughts to myself, like, I will say something if you're asking me an honest opinion, I won't really shy away from that. But I see things coming in some of your relationships where I think like, oh, should I say something, and I tend to not because I feel like it's not my business.

Is that your impression or am I.

Am I making myself a bigger hero than I Actually, no, no, that.

Is my impression. I feel like both you and my dad, and I think that is a.

Good role for a parent to take because the parent child relationship is so complicated already that I don't know that a parent is the person that you're going to be most receptive to hear criticism about your romantic relationship from, unless.

You even if they say the same thing that a friend would, yeah.

Unless you are like expressly asking it. That said.

I have dated people and then broken up with them, and then had friends of mine be like, oh, Okay, now that you've broken up, I can finally tell you such and such, and it pisses me off. I've been like, fucking tell me when I'm dating them. I can choose to ignore you. I can go like you know what, I hear you, but like that's actually not my own experience, but for me personally, I actually hate more the feeling of thinking that my friends have like held an opinion my parents. I get and I appreciate, but something about my good friends holding in an opinion about someone that I'm dating and then telling me on the heels of this breaking up kind of makes me go, well, what if I never saw this?

Were you never gonna raise this concern to me?

Were you gonna let me blindly like continue on down the road of this relationship.

I remember, I think the last like visceral time I can remember, but you did ask me. We went out to dinner with a person you were dating this long time ago in New York, and it was the first time I'd met them.

Oh, this was a long time ago, many years.

Long time ago, long long long time ago, but like maybe like the end of college kind of time. And we went to dinner and after and you were really smitten with the person. And after dinner you said to me, what did you think? And I said, I think you were really quiet, Like I don't think you were yourself, Like I didn't know the Emerson that was sitting at that dinner like you are so vivacious and so talkative and so smart. Really, I mean, you're just everything you offered to a conversation around at dinner table is usually lovely and.

Because you're curious and you have so much to share.

And I perceived you to be smaller than you actually were. I don't remember that, No, you were. You didn't like it because you wanted me to like him.

Of course I remember that advice, and I think I will say, you know whatever. Of course it was not exactly what I was hoping to hear, but I think that is a helpful way to offer an opinion, is to not offer an opinion about the person you have an opinion about, but instead to offer a reflection of a behavior in your friend that you're close to, Like, oh, I see that when you're with this person you seem quieter, or oh, I notice that when I see the two of you together, like you don't share your successes as loudly or you And I think that while they may not be receptive to it that day, which who would be if you're in a relationship, there's a lot of things to do. But I think that is like a helpful way to try to share an opinion without making

someone feel like you're attacking the person that they're seeing or the person that they're with.

Can I go back to the very beginning and to Edie, yes.

Oh my god, my favorite line of the episode.

I know, I'm sure it's the same one. I love this line too.

I'm wondering.

I don't think I'm not necessarily going to have a favorite line, but I do have a couple of questions around it. So, first of all, I loved that the whole opening is about seeking attention and how much attention Edie wants.

As a character.

But I actually loved that Nicolette got the attention that I feel that she deserves with all eyes on her character at the beginning for this cold open of the show this week.

Because she's so great.

Yeah, And one of the things she just brings Edie to life like nobody could. And one of the things that happened so early on is in her seeking of attention. It says that she know she's like gonna maybe go try to hit on Mike again, and before she does that, her one of her contractor guys is like, Hey, I'd like to ask you to lunch and she's like, oh, you're so out of your league, and just right there, I have to ask, like, because I was, like, I tried to imagine myself as Terry being out by somebody who there was no fucking way I was ever going to go out with, Like how could that person? The only thing I can relate to is when I was on dating apps. Okay, I used to find and I have a whole theory about being older and being on

dating apps, which is why I'm not on them anymore.

But when I used to be on them.

I used to have this theory that at my real age, that no man who was my age was actually even seeing my picture because when they put their age algorithm in, they would put from like thirty five to fifty.

Those were the.

Women they wanted to date own. I know, right, but this is the truth. I'm telling you. I would die on that hill anyway. So these men that are my age wouldn't even see my picture. So the guys that were seeing my picture were seventy five.

Yeah, And so.

The ones when I would go on my little hine app like thinking like.

Oh this would be fun.

I have a glass of wine by myself, my dining room table, and I'm going to check out who liked me, and I would go look at who like wanted to match with me, and they would all be fat, bald, and over seventy and I would think, like Edie, I would think, are you out of your fucking mind? There isn't a chance in hell I would go on a date with you, which is so mean and snotty and rude.

And of course I would never say that to somebody in person, but here Edie does.

She says right to his.

Face, she says, uh, no, You're way out of your league. And I just wondered, like, how have you guys ever shut people down that have asked you out that were like there was no way you were going out with them?

Certain well, not like that, I was.

Gonna say, not like that. I think of primary character trait of Edie is that she says exactly what's on her mind right and amazing, It's amazing, it's superpower.

I'm sort of envy, like, like she gets labeled as a bit, but I have to say, at this point in my life, as a six year old woman who craves the ability to just say what I'm thinking without an editor. Yeah, in my head would be amazing. I mean I I applaud that she does that away.

That's how she That's how she gets to my favorite line.

Which is yes.

Because it's so good.

She brings the donuts over to Mike and then realize that Susan's there, and Susan says, I'm sorry you wasted your donuts, and Edie goes not a few choke on them. Yeah.

I mean again, she's just saying what she's thinking.

How I didn't mean to take that question from your Andrew. How have you shut down like being asked out by someone you don't want to go out with. I think I am normally just like, oh, I'm so sorry, like I'm not really looking for that in my life right now, but or like, if.

I'm sy, this might be a generational thing too, because I love that you're just that your response would be an honest one. I feel like I would probably usually lie. I would say like, oh, I'm not available, you know, I'm in a relationship whatever even if that wasn't the case.

And how would you kick it up to my generation? And all I'm thinking about is how I can take care of this person's ego yeah, Like I'm not thinking about my own needs or wants or desires it. I'm just like, I don't want this poor person to walk away like feeling bad about themselves. So whatever I say has got to like build up their ego, even though or I might even go But this is the thing is.

It comes back to this other thing we were talking about, which is time. You know, you're you're Mary Alice inspired Instagram quote about what is time? And it's this resource we can't get back. And so the idea that we would go on the date with the person that we're not at all interested in just to preserve there is wasting both times.

Well that's what I.

Wanted to offer. I said, you know, maybe think about it this way. If someone asks you out who you aren't interested in, and you go out with them just to be quote unquote nice, nice, you're wasting their time. They should be going on a date with someone that doesn't want to date them. They should be going on a date with someone who wants.

To date them.

So actually, like the nicest thing you can do for everybody is to be honest.

And then Edie goes back to her construction yard. She then tells the guy that he can take her out, and then she says favorite line, welcome to the majors.

So God, for one.

Day in my life, I would like to have the confidence of EATI Bridge. I mean, come on, shouldn't everybody? Maybe we should put that on a shirt, have the confidence Britta.

Speaking of sports, Yeah, we have to talk about the mini golf scene with with Free and George and George getting an erection while Free is whispering in his ear behind him while he's trying to like line it up to put mini golf. For so many reasons, this like somehow hit home for me because I think mini golf is like a.

Cute thing to do on a date.

And two I think ears are like a very sexy zone. Like I get that that is a big turn on. Obviously I'm not a guy, so I thank God. I really actually feel so much for my male friends who like can't hide that feeling. Like a certain point, it's a physiological reaction.

I mean we sort of talked about that with James Denton a little bit, right, It's true sense, Yeah, if it happens, and then, like he said, if it doesn't happen, that's even worse.

Yeah, they have. They have a lot of feelings about their boners and whether or not you know when they show up.

But I will agree with you this whole like ear neck area, that's a that's a really that's a really a good spot.

Yeah.

So the fact that Bree was sort of careless to the idea that she could do that and she wasn't crossing a line.

I feel like, even though George is.

A complete nutjob evil guy, I do feel like Free lost a sense of almost in a selfish way, lost a sense of reality of what you can get away with as a friend.

Yeah, I think she took it too far. It's not you know what you're doing. You know, she knew that, even if what she had concocted in her head was that she was just trying to get him to mess up his shot, Like, come on, I don't buy it. I don't buy it. He gets real creepy in this episode though, breaking into the house and taking pictures of the launder or not launcher, right, but taking pictures of her underwear laid out on the bed, Like I yeah, yeah, but it.

Was really great. Didn't you think the script was great?

Like? I really feel like in again, like reflecting on the season and we're now almost.

At the end of it.

I mean, the writing's really been terrific. I know, I feel like I recalled some issues with like we wouldn't get the script until the very very like almost the morning of filming it.

There was especially towards the end of the season.

Yeah, like the writing was definitely late and definitely behind. But that said, I also do remember the actors, the crew, the prop department, the director, the lighting people, like everybody just basically pulled it out of their ass and got the show made, you know, But we did in the end, even if it was late, we had some pretty great writing happening.

I also used to go to that many golf course that they were.

At, wait, which was that the one in the.

Castle Park one, Yeah, over over in the valley, And we used to go early on Sunday mornings as a family. So I'm sure I was there some Sunday, probably right around when they filmed that.

For real, Oh my god, that's hilarious.

Blow in your ear, one in my ear.

I was gonna say, there is I mean in regards to George breaking into Brion Rex's house. But then also we have the girls trying to have the intervention with Susan. We have Susan kind of snooping through Martha's journal and following Mike, which has a hill area with Julie. Of course, another amazing parenting moment, but I really and then we have Lynette and Tom at work, Lynette following Tom to work, and this kind of general theme throughout the episode of meddaling, like people meddling in other people's spaces, And I was curious, especially in regards to Tom and Lynette, do you identify as someone who is a meddler, like your partner visiting you at work?

Does that feel like a ya? I know for me that.

Feels like a hard nay. I like write in coffee shops a lot, which obviously is a public space. But I once had someone I was dating kind of show up spur of the moment to a coffee shop while I was writing and be like.

Hi, I'm here, Like aren't you glad I'm here? And I was pissed.

I was like, no, I'm not glad at all. Like now I'm completely out of my flow. I'm thinking about taking care of your feelings when I'm in my own individual time, like get the hell out, like what are you doing? I felt like such an invasion.

Yeah, I know, like on sets in Hollywood, there's a lot of like stuff where agents want to come, like your agent wants to come. And I don't know if they just want to be a part of it or if they're also like trying to show you that they support you. But I always felt like, no, don't come at please don't come like it makes me feel like I have to be a host.

Yeah to the people.

That come visit me at work, right, And I get it when it's like a hit show and like you've got friends in town and it's so exciting to go to Osteria Lane and I would try to facilitate that as much as I could, Like in general, I'm there to work. I'm there to work, get the best work, do it at the fastest pace, and then get everybody to be able to go home Like that's and so any It is interesting when people think that your workspace turns into like a social space.

Yeah, I will say when it is specific to their storyline. I think that showing up to work is a boundary that you should discuss in your relationship. If that's ever okay to imprompt to show up, you know, sporadically or But I think in this case, the bigger metal is Lynette is messing with Tom's potential professional ascension, you know, I mean she is hugely interfering in his professional life. Now, her reasons for doing so might be valid, right, I can't have you going further away this job would mean less time at home. We need you more around. I want you to be more of a presence, such as a husband and a father. But the thing is is that, regardless of the reasoning behind it, the meddling with someone's

capabilities of rising up in their ranks is a really big betrayal. Also, would be so hard for me to get over if someone did that to me. Me too.

And that's a conversation that like she should have with him, I don't want you going away more And then he will make a decision and that will inform the type of relationship they have or not, which actually circling all the way back to when is too soon to move in in a relationship or what is the good time.

I think there are certain things in a relationship that you just simply cannot know about someone without time, without seeing them in circumstances without seeing them get offered a promotion and either turn it down or not turn it down, without seeing how they handle a loss or what, and.

Without seeing if they drop their dirty socks all over them.

Exactly sure, And I kind of think at least you need to.

Be with someone for a year, having done it.

Before you move, before you move in, okay, and then you're going to learn more stuff in that year. But I agree with you because the whole first year you have rose colored glasses on whether you want to believe it or not you do, and it really takes at least a year for those rose colored glasses to sort of tint away. So in wrapping this up, we also had Carlos and Gabby. Gabby finds out that it really was Carlos all along who changed the birth control pills.

She ends up, you know, offering him a lifeline but in exchange for he will be the one when he gets out of jail changing all the diapers for the next eighteen years.

So she says, you're not the father.

And then we have and I have to say, this is fucking killing the storyline of Carlos being a continual accidental homophobe behate. Crimer is just like I actually mean, it is cracking me up, however unpolitically or however politically incorrect it may be.

Yeah, it is.

It's quite funny.

And yeah, to come back to it, and he and the characters just like, I need a lawyer.

But you know what that and that lesson of everything kind of you know, will come back to you. So be mindful of the consequences of your actions and your choices. Because her saying to him, Gabby saying to Carlos, well, you're going to be doing all of the middle of the night day for changes. You're going to be the one bottle feeding. You're going to be the one He's like, oh shit, I didn't think about that part, you know.

And so and I think fair for Gabby. Fair for Gabby to say, you know what, you controlled my body and now I'm going to control your life.

I like it.

Yeah, careful of what you put out into the world.

Talk to each other directly as opposed to try to meddle in other things.

And I just want to say, because we've we've highlighted Mary Alice's presence as such, her guidance, her wisdom throughout the season, as such a beautiful part of this show that makes it so unique and special. And another thing is that at the very end of the episode and I wrote this down on a piece of paper to put on my fridge for Josh and I to reflect on as we enter parenthood, she says nothing is forever, and the time comes when we must say goodbye to the world we knew, When the familiar has departed and the unfamiliar has taken its place, all any of us can really do is say hello and welcome.

Yeah, I wrote that down to It's great, I wrote, Alice Young, I think you that applies to life, to aging, to changes. You know you, I told somebody the other day, like, you can't be resentful as you age into your life about what you're missing, what is taken away, or what you lose. You can only say hello to what can be new and what is the potential. And that we're gonna say hello to the season finale next tek.

Yeah and uh, and we hope you enjoyed this.

And because as always we're desperately devoted to you.

To Be Brutally Honest… (S1 Ep22 "Goodbye for Now")

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