Episode 519 w/ Treach

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0:13 Make some noise! He's a legendary Queens rapper. Hey, hey, Segre, this your boy N.O.R.E. He's a Miami hip-hop pioneer. One of his DJ EFN.

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0:48 And this is Drink Champs.

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0:54 Now, we got an icon of an icon, a legend of a legend. Man, that's enough time.

1:00 Still is out here.

1:01 Monkey foot in the game. Do him what he got to do.

1:05 And today we're going to give him his flowers. We're going to make sure he understand how much he means to hip hop. And we're going to get in his business about what's going on with the legendary group, with the legendary himself. I've been on tour with him by himself and with the group. So we're going to get into it all. In case you don't know what.

1:23 We're talking about.

1:24 One, two, three.

1:28 Now, I read something, right? I'll take the drink now.

1:33 Where she at? Damn, you got invisible real quick. So I read something, right? Yeah.

1:41 Where, because I thought about it. All right, when I first got in the game, right, there wasn't a lot of pictures of us. So people were doing shows as Capone and Noriega.

1:54 You heard the story, right? Whoa, bro.

1:58 See, did y'all put out beforehand CNN and no pictures of yourself?

2:03 It was just vinyl that was coming out. Remember back then, you had to earn those pictures. The biopics, yeah, because the photographers weren't cheap. The photographers weren't cheap back then, so it was so easy.

2:13 Shout out, Ernie.

2:14 It was so easy for a person to go, like, my family used to call me from Philadelphia and Virginia and shit like that, and be like, yo why wasn't you on the stage last night and I used to be like oh but there was actually people doing shows as Capone and Noriega wow right Yeah, that's serious.

2:30 Remember, I told you there was a fake Beanie Siegel out here doing shows as Beanie Siegel.

2:33 Damn, I forgot you did tell me that.

2:35 I think, actually, we might have ran into a situation or two like that where before they even knew, knew, knew, you know, they heard the song and all that, and we doing shows anybody could have popped up if they got with the promoters.

2:49 Facts.

2:49 Because I watched you on Yeo, and I believe you talked about K and Vinny having a.

2:58 a beer? A beer or something.

3:02 So I always like, I see you having a show and you say, Trash.

3:11 Dupe.

3:12 If a person books you, do they have to say Tretch from Naughty by Nature?

3:16 Yeah.

3:16 They have to say that.

3:17 Exactly.

3:18 Okay, so now is that a discrepancy between them two? Do they get mad when you use the Naughty by Nature name?

3:24 No, it was an instance where it was a situation where I tried to get blocked from using.

3:30 Oh, really?

3:31 Yeah.

3:31 Okay.

3:32 And then was getting calls to agents, management, everything else. He would be held liable. Okay.

3:39 I'll be what? Wait, you'll be... Okay. For a year. So I have to go backtrack, pull up receipts. Right.

3:47 Bring original contracts from we own Naughty by Nature, a third, a third, a third.

3:51 Right. Then miss.

3:54 Uh, information goes to a point where an individual of the group wants to put out he is the owner of the group.

4:01 Right. And cut my bags off.

4:04 Mm-hmm. And making me have to prove I can do it this way, the way I'm stating that I can.

4:08 Mm-hmm.

4:09 I never go and say anything to no promoters or their managers or anything like that about what they can do or I'm seeing everything with the gear and all that and teddy bears on the naughty stuff and all that. You know, I don't... Okay, you have your third. You do what you want to with that. I ain't going to troll you or anything.

4:27 Right.

4:27 Because one of our greatest moments, I'm sure for you as well, in Drink Champ's history, was having y'all three together.

4:37 Oh, yeah.

4:37 Because I felt like....

4:40 When we got y'all, that was, like, your first time squashing it.

4:43 Like, in a long time.

4:45 And I sat there, and I watched y'all, like, share that brotherhood.

4:52 But I've also.

4:52 I've also done shows with Capone where we just snuffed each other. And got on stage and was the best actors in the world. So, I believe that was the only two times.

5:07 I've seen that was when I've seen a time when y'all performed together.

5:11 And I couldn't... I didn't just tell y'all y'all didn't say hi. I did not know y'all wasn't getting along. I just could tell y'all didn't say hi.

5:18 And I've seen Tribe Called Crest do that one time.

5:20 Oh, wow. One time I've seen Tribe Called Crest do that.

5:22 History of hip-hop. And Phife and Q-Tip was not feeling each other.

5:27 But they did it. So, like, is it true that y'all went on, like, a whole tour? Like.

5:33 Not agreeing, but agreeing just to... Because of the business.

5:37 Definitely. Okay, yeah, this is what I'm saying. It's very professional. After squabble. Right, right, right, right, right. You feel what I'm saying?

5:43 Fresh knocks, you know.

5:45 What I mean? Damn.

5:46 You know, we had to go home for it in Japan and had to do the rest of the tour in Japan.

5:50 We both had black eyes, y'all.

5:51 Yeah, so.

5:53 That's serious, yeah.

5:54 Yeah.

5:56 Facts, facts.

5:58 But y'all can stay on stage together forever. If it was a professional... Like, right now, if you had a tour offered, right?

6:05 It won't happen. It won't happen. But what if I say to you... It's life-changing money, right? Mm-hmm.

6:13 And then the promoter says, Tresh, you can stay on your side of the stage.

6:16 Mm-hmm. You can stay on your side of the stage. Mm-hmm. Like, I've seen.

6:21 I've seen groups do this. I've done it as my own group. You think if it was life-changing money where you're just like, yo, you know, my kids, kids, kids, kids, would you be able.

6:29 To stay on your side of the stage?

6:30 No.

6:30 No?

6:31 Yeah. That's serious. I'm trying. I'm trying. Yeah.

6:36 A lot of people tried and it fucked my bag up.

6:39 Right, right.

6:40 Along the lines where it's being told this, that, oh, Naughty by Nature is working to get back together. So this is the reason One reason I really wanted to do this Y'all my guys of course But because it was stuff said And I gotta clear the air On you know the logistics You call me If you want the teddy bear tour you call them you feel me you want a dj set which what they do you call them it was never described to a lot of people what they doing stuff with the uh nfl or nba or anything else this is a dj set this is not the group right me is stretch of or from naughty by nature on everything i do and is stretch of naughty by nature You feel what I'm saying?

7:26 I put my brand of my name first.

7:28 It's not naughty by nature. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. You feel what I'm saying?

7:32 I'm not psyching out the crowd or, you know, misleading the consumers on anything.

7:38 I keep it 100.

7:39 Right.

7:40 You feel me?

7:41 I'm going to bounce around a little bit, right? Because y'all first... Show was a talent show at East Orange High School.

7:47 One of the first. Okay. Yeah.

7:49 So, so, so, so I wasn't, I wasn't.

7:52 No, no.

7:53 It was a new style. New style. Yeah. I got that in the notes.

7:55 So how did y'all go from there to where we at now? To where we at? Yeah.

8:02 Meaning like.

8:04 Like, I heard L say something the other day. He was like, you can't measure something by what you got, right?

8:09 You got to measure. So, like, to me, when I look at those old pictures and I see I got.

8:14 The names on it, I'm like, this is probably what the group was originally about, right? And then, Y'all Was Brothers, at least that's what it looked like. At what point does the business take over where the brotherhood kind of, like, just disappeared?

8:31 Yeah.

8:32 A lot has to go with egos. Especially if.

8:39 Yo, it's proven. I'm solidified. I'm a team player. Right. Top to bottom from the hustle days. Right, right, right. You feel what I'm saying?

8:45 I ain't one of them niggas I get caught and I be like, hey.

8:48 Yo, come on, y'all, we caught.

8:51 What?

8:51 Where y'all at?

8:53 Nigga, I'm taking my charge and you don't tell them, I don't know who you talking about.

8:58 I don't know.

8:59 You feel me?

9:00 Team player. Right. So a team player from the hustle days to this, I was offered $ 250, 000.

9:05 Mm-hmm.

9:10 Told Lee the other two by Tommy Boy. Oh, wow.

9:14 To go solo back then?

9:16 Back then.

9:17 Oh.

9:18 I ain't never seen 250,000 in my life. I did a little good.

9:24 250,000 back then, that's a million.

9:25 Right.

9:25 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Solo to the next. Yeah, yeah. Told them, fuck you, your contract, your building, your label, your staff.

9:33 Fuck all y'all, nigga. These sandbox niggas. Nigga, we in there together. Fuck you and your contract.

9:40 Bow. Left the motherfucking shit. Sha called. He was like. Sha Kim. They want to take the group. Wow.

9:48 So from after that, that $ 250, 000 went three ways.

9:52 Wow. And everything after that. Wow. How dare you ever disrespect me? All right. And we can't. have disagreements. That's not disrespect.

10:02 Right. But disrespect me. Backdoor deals and all the rest of that. Yo, anything I did, if I found something out in the Connect and the Hustle days, I'm putting the homies on. Right.

10:13 It's our Connect. Right. You know what I mean? We doing this together because we a clique.

10:18 Right. Never no backdoor deals or nothing, no side deals or nothing like that.

10:23 Never with me. All right.

10:25 Did it start from, I think you said you fired Vinny? Did it start from that?

10:30 No, we could never fire anybody at all.

10:32 We was a third person. Yeah, we're equal.

10:34 Yeah, if anybody wanted to step out, Vin went on his word sabbatical. At one time, it was me and K. K went on sabbatical. It was me and Vin.

10:44 I never left. All right. You feel what I'm saying? I always held shit.

10:47 All right. no matter what, and they had the right to do that and had the right to come back.

10:52 All right. Only thing I could get.

10:57 which I didn't agree with, but I agree with the rules. Like, anything that goes on with the group is a third, is a voting system. So two to three, of course. I usually always am the one. And two is not side on my side. And then I see deals that go through with things that happen, and I'm like, damn, this is just what I was saying to do. So it gets frustrating out of the wild, but I'm still in there. Right.

11:22 You feel me? Right.

11:24 This ain't the Titanic at that point.

11:26 Right. It ain't sinking. Let's go.

11:28 Right.

11:30 But just to be a devil's advocate, right?

11:33 Uh-huh.

11:33 Do you think it's because people who look at you like the star? I mean, I could accept that.

11:39 The same way when I was going on the road with Latifah and nobody knew me, I was never mad because La is the star and I'm the backup.

11:46 Yep, you're the hype man. That's what my job is. Right, right.

11:50 I'm going to get to my point one day, but right here, I'm riding with her and I'm riding shotgun.

11:55 Right. Because she boss.

11:57 Right. Same way Pac did with like, I'm going to wait till my turn right now. I'm going to be doing a hump.

12:05 All right. Same song in these. I'm going to show them I got some. No more fucking doubt. Yes. Yeah.

12:09 So that's how I played the game. Everybody played the game the same.

12:13 Okay.

12:15 But I'm sure when they were trying to poach you to do your solo, A lot of people must have been in your ear. Because I feel like you're underrated as an MC.

12:25 I think you're one of the top tier MCs. Appreciate it.

12:29 And I know you have to have that confidence to know that as well.

12:32 Yeah, I'm on my dick.

12:34 So that's pretty ill that you decided to stay, knowing that potentially as a solo artist, you might have had a pretty successful career.

12:41 Yeah, and my thing was, this all of us, we came from the dirt, the slums, yo.

12:49 We going to eat forever.

12:50 That's why, like I said, writers, everything's a written minority by nature. Because my dudes going to eat no matter what. I was doing movies at the time. We might not tour as much.

13:01 They going to eat. They going to go to that.

13:04 Mailbox and get that third of this writer's publishing on the house from me.

13:10 My guys, and I'm on, talking about.

13:13 Like, just respecting the team effort, I'm on the majority 80% lyrics on the album.

13:20 Right.

13:21 Like, that's my solo, but I'm bringing my homies with me. Right. Fuck that. Right.

13:27 Splitting everything in third.

13:29 Right.

13:30 Damn, man.

13:31 It's... I think the game loses a lot, not having a United naughty by nature.

13:36 Yeah.

13:36 Yeah, you see. You said the game. The game, yeah. That's correct, yeah. Culture. I see our legends, like, that broke up.

13:46 I'm like, ah, man.

13:49 This, you know. I heard it. It's funny. Hold on. Let me tell you a story. Legend, legend. Grandmaster Flagg.

13:59 Mm-hmm.

14:02 Came up to me, trash, trash. Out of many, many, many.

14:07 Yo, what's up with Naughty? What's like, I mean, yo. I was talking to him, you know. Y'all think y'all can do this, this, this, this. I said, OG, you going to get back with Melly Mel in a few days?

14:20 He said.

14:25 I wasn't expecting that.

14:29 I had it for everybody that come. Right. You're going to get back with it. Oh, I get it now. Okay. Breaking news. Real nigga alert. All right. I'm going to take it back for a minute. Let's talk about independent leaders. Yeah. That was your first album?

14:47 Yeah.

14:47 Okay. And that was not under Tommy Boy.

14:50 No, that was under Bon Ami, subsidiary of Sugar Hill Records.

14:55 Sylvia Robertson. That was in New Jersey. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So, all right, let's talk about that.

15:01 Uh-huh.

15:01 Where was y'all at? East Orange. East Orange. Okay. Hilltown. Mm-hmm.

15:05 119 double I 118 118 that's what I meant 118 my bad so what happened what was going through your mind making this album it was basically like.

15:20 Old us. That's not as naughty yet, right? No, this is New Style.

15:25 Same three members, but we actually got that name New Style by rehearsing for the talent show you was talking about, East Orange High.

15:32 And K was cutting up the Beastie Boys.

15:34 We didn't even have a name for the group because we just was.

15:37 Oh, he was cutting up New Style. New Style.

15:41 And even when we performed talent shows, that was our intro.

15:45 It's the New Style.

15:46 So... We named ourselves New Style, did it like that. And that was basically like the 80s version of us. You know, like every 10 years, hip-hop as a culture, which is the best culture in the world because the music always switches up.

16:02 I heard you say New Style was in the 80s, but that's why it changed to Denordi by the 80s.

16:09 And we changed it because we basically was running from Bon Ami Records to... wow to get out of the concert and we signed a tommy boy and ain't even telling him he was on another label but we switched the name so it was like contractually you could do that and didn't shock him not believing the name at first when you said when you said.

16:27 Nobody did they said it was too long yeah it's the syllables or something like.

16:31 That just yeah like yeah like naughty by nature like no group is that nobody's gonna remember it i'm like Yo, it's kind of like, it's long but short at the same time. And it's like something that describes everybody. Everybody can say I'm naughty by nature. Hell yeah, I feel these guys. I had to fight, bite, bite.

16:50 I'm like, yo, fuck. That's just it. But I can't imagine him as any other name. But who came up with the name?

16:58 Me. Actually, it was the title of a song that I had wrote during New Style. And I was like, name, name. I just was looking through titles one day. It was Naughty by Nature.

17:15 I said, this is it. I can't imagine if it's nothing else. Like, word.

17:19 Word.

17:20 Let's make some noise. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

17:27 And then we had, it was, I forgot the homie name, but you can always look it up. At Tommy Boy, he had designed, he was a designer, art designer, the logo. So he heard, he said, what's the name? Naughty by nature. He like drew it like with.

17:48 With the bat and everything?

17:49 Yeah, like the crayon baby print.

17:52 Naughty by nature. He was like. And then the bat underneath it. We was like, that's it. Man, that's crazy. That's it. Let's talk about, I love the 90s tour. Mm-hmm. Who was that on the tour? Rob Bass? Rest in peace to home. Rest in peace. It's always usually like Rob Bass, Tone Low. It was Coolio. Okay, rest in peace.

18:20 Young MC. Young MC.

18:23 C & C Music Factory, Vanilla Ice.

18:26 Yep.

18:26 Me. Me. So it switches. DJ Kool, it just switches. Legendary 90s artists.

18:36 And you just went out again with Busta, right? Yeah, yeah. We was in Germany. Obergold Festival. Okay. Busta Crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Busta, Busta. Hell yeah. Him and Split. He'll kill it.

18:48 It was us.

18:49 Onyx.

18:50 Harris won. Genuine won. The list goes.

18:55 On and on.

18:55 I seen you perform there, and I seen you perform in Left Rack's house. The guy that owns Left Rack.

19:01 Queen, shout out Queen. South Carolina, South Jamaica.

19:04 And I seen you perform, and I looked, and I was just like, your music is for every race. Like, I looked and everyone sung along. Like, you know, that's a diverse people that's in there. It's not just black people. It's not just white people there. And I looked and every song you did, these people knew.

19:26 Yeah.

19:26 Like, and I was just like, I just remember how crazy.

19:31 Crazy. Yes. Your catalog is.

19:33 What really kicked that door open to a whole different level was MTV Raps.

19:42 Yeah.

19:43 That's what... Ed Lover, Dr. Dre. Ed Lover, Dr. Dre. Groundbreaking. door opening.

19:52 Hip hop wasn't, of course, playing on MTV. So once we got our own segment on.

19:57 It, I had to tell that to my friend JP. I was like, yo, we listening to the records.

20:04 He's younger. He's, you know what I mean?

20:05 And I'm like, Believe it or not, even these tough records were.

20:10 On the radio. Yes. These gangster records was on the radio. It was called edited radio, edited versions. Made it on the radio.

20:19 These fuckers was so fucking goddamn picky. Yo, this shit on OPP wasn't even curses. They fucking rewind because they didn't want to see it was rhyming with penis.

20:28 Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Or five parts of this means kitten and pussy. You feel me? Word. Some motherfuckers are flagging motherfuckers like we is on the field. Hey, but it went. After you made those edits, it went. Yeah, it was over. You always judge a party. You can't get away with that. You always judge a party about who go crazy with OPP. Come on. He doesn't look at me like, I knew you was a hoe. Yes, yes, yes.

20:55 To this day, you know, I still, guys, like, I'm... Stickers? You got stickers?

20:59 Oh!

21:00 Oh!

21:00 Oh!

21:03 Every time I get out, they pull me back.

21:08 But talking about the type of records, because y'all didn't come in straight up with some commercial, sweet records. The group was a hardcore group. The album cuts were all hardcore records.

21:20 Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. But you guys became one of the most... hip-hop groups of all time.

21:26 Yeah.

21:26 Which is wild.

21:27 And then it switched over because, like I said, the era is when it comes.

21:31 The 80s was the 80s. 70s was the 70s. 80s, 90s. 80s, everybody was fresh to death.

21:37 Right.

21:37 You know what I mean? It was East Coast, Dap Dan and all. Anywhere you was at from North, South, East, West, it was fresh. In the 90s, It got grimy.

21:47 Right before they went to the medallion stage, the African stage. Right before that, then it got real grimy. But that's what's crazy is when you look at your old videos, you look at it, that shit looks like now. Like, that shit still looks like now. And it's like, holy shit. And the music stands up. Like, you know, disrespect to nobody, the guys out here, but.

22:12 Like, that shit is timeless music that you guys got.

22:14 Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I've seen you overseas. I've seen you so many different places to perform. And I'm just like, you tear that shit down. And how do you feel like that? Because there's a lot of people from your generation.

22:30 This is three decades for you?

22:33 Yeah.

22:34 Three?

22:34 35.

22:34 35? 35 years.

22:35 1991. And you can still go do shows. And not do shows. I'm talking about you tearing shit down.

22:44 Passport Pippin.

22:46 That shit, yeah. Passport Pippin, yes, yes. How do you feel like that? Man, it's amazing.

22:54 I always tell artists, listen, the United States is this big.

22:58 This is the world. I tell these motherfuckers that. You got to go get that overseas paper. I tell these motherfuckers that.

23:05 I don't care whether one person in there speak English, they know every word to all your songs in there and been there for 35 years and raised their kids off of our hip hop. So they in the crowd with their kids that's grown now, The coach out there, so they still got break dancing.

23:26 Yeah. Yeah, they got all the elements. The PD is like, you looking like, yo, man, it's my 80s. I told you I seen J. Wood of Damage out there. His passport was like this. Yeah, he lives in Germany. Oh, I think so. I believe. I tell them all the time. I was like, man, they stay out.

23:41 Two of the famous groups that I used to go on tour with, it used to be y'all, because y'all know how to move.

23:46 Y'all been out there for so long.

23:48 And then Onyx.

23:48 Onyx know how to move. They got little crews in different sections. But what I'm trying to tell you is, if you got hits, there's no way you shouldn't be in Europe.

24:04 Like, getting money. Like, staying busy.

24:07 If you got hits, there's someone that's going to keep paying you. Like, that's why I said I even love the 90s talk because I'm looking and I'm like, I forgot Rob Bass.

24:15 I forgot Young MC.

24:16 Like, we had just had Young MC and I forgot all this. And I'm like, damn, these are all timeless records. Like, it's no wonder why this shit is doing so great, man.

24:24 Rob Bass is... We never got him. We was this close to getting him on Drink Champs. Yo, he been doing so many shows. Remember, he came out in the 80s. 80s, yeah. So it wasn't the 90s.

24:36 Yo, I remember one time we was all on the same run and we went to this hotel and Rob walked in.

24:43 He said, oh, I ain't staying here. We said, shit, we ain't staying in this fucking here either.

24:51 We had to promote or upgrade this little shabby hotel.

24:54 We forgot who the fuck he is. Yeah, yeah. Our bass like, niggas, we ain't staying in this motherfucker. At my bass. People would say.

25:02 I wouldn't agree with the people who would say he has a two-hit wonder, right?

25:06 They would say that. But it's two of the biggest fucking records. It Takes Two is one of the most iconic hip-hop records.

25:12 I wouldn't mind hearing that shit for an hour straight.

25:15 Guess what?

25:15 Those that saying that and if they artists, they didn't want to go on.

25:19 After Rob's show. I saw that. I saw that. Because that 15th, 20th show. Yes. He was destroying it. I saw that.

25:26 You think he only got two hits.

25:28 He know how to rock a crowd. That's the one thing about the OG.

25:31 All of them knew how to rock a show as opposed to like, I remember some of us was, was, we started on replays.

25:39 We started on, but you saying.

25:40 Yo, we all had to perform before anybody knew us.

25:44 Yeah.

25:44 So we had to know how to rock a crowd. I feel for a lot of new artists.

25:48 Now they just got a hit, but they never get on stage. So they don't even know how to work the crowd. I seen a little dude I want to say this. Look, I bought a Rob Byrne's record today as a record store.

26:00 Whoa.

26:00 Whoa. Whoa.

26:01 Yeah, I seen a little dude on stage and I just tuned in.

26:07 He literally said four words.

26:10 Man.

26:10 Hey. God. But the crowd was singing it for him.

26:15 But I was like, motherfucker, ain't I paying to see you perform?

26:19 Like, like.

26:20 So it's crazy. But a lot of artists....

26:24 New or old, they can't go overseas or a lot of spots. No, because a lot of them is like charging too much. What I always did through the years is like, I want to know from the promoters and the buyers beforehand, how big is your vineyard?

26:41 Yeah.

26:41 Because I'm not going to overcharge. Right. That's a big thing. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to give you an arena rate.

26:48 Right.

26:48 And we in a amphitheater, son, a small venue. Right. So when you work like that, oh, you could go all late. Like what? What? Oh, oh, oh, bet, bet. We could, you know, and have artists on there with you. Yup. And it's good business. You know what I mean?

27:04 You charging so much, you be like, yo, you don't hear about them.

27:07 In a couple of years.

27:08 Like, what happened to, ain't nobody, ain't no shows?

27:12 Man, you going to pay $ 300 a ticket? Right.

27:15 When me and Pone first went to Europe, like, that shit showed us how to perform. Because we were performing, but we were doing 45 minutes and just was walking on stage.

27:27 And in Europe, they were like, uh-uh. Oh, no. Uh-uh. We want an hour and 45. Or a half. Yeah. Like, we want an hour and a half at least. We don't give a fuck. Play all that shit off the album. Play the album. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Play Blood Money. Play Blood Money.

27:42 Yeah. They're asking you for that shit.

27:44 Yeah. And then.

27:46 It's crazy because you got to learn how to perform those records because those records are not the ones you usually perform. So you don't have the routine. You don't have no, you know, when it comes to this. And then I had to learn how to do that, like for an hour and 45 minutes.

27:55 And no vocal track. They don't want you on no vocal track. You better not. You better not. No.

28:00 No.

28:00 How dare you? That'll chase you out. I'm glad you said that. We had one vocal track. It was from I'm Leaving. But that record was so popular at that time that we could not, we just had to put it down and me perform it. But it was one dude in the crowd like, I'm leaving. I heard them TV tracks in the back. I was like, yeah, motherfucker. Yeah, that was a great record to have on. I'm leaving because you about to get leaving. Imagine if there would have been phones back then.

28:30 They would have killed me. They would have killed me. Yeah, they would have killed me. So what's your favorite place to perform at? Everywhere. Everywhere? Everywhere different. Okay.

28:38 The atmosphere, the crowd, the culture. Right. Like, everywhere different. Northwest, east, south, midwest. Like, everybody is just a whole different vibe. And I get to, like, perform different records in different markets.

28:52 Right. Right. Different records work in different markets. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

28:57 Like, we could bounce down south in east coast records, west coast records.

29:02 I get to... Blend it all in. See the crowd. Read the crowd. Right.

29:07 See, that's what's also, like, beautiful about the movement is, like, if you knew what East Orange was, then you knew it. But you was coming off like a hood dude anywhere.

29:22 Like, you know what I'm saying?

29:23 Like, we knew that it was Jersey. You know what I'm saying? But, like, we knew Cypress Hills. Remember when Cypress Hills stood behind it? We knew that was New York, but we didn't put together that... that they weren't from New York.

29:33 You know what I'm saying?

29:34 They had that East Coast and West Coast pass. But you had that same pass, I believe. Yeah, because people didn't know, when we came out, we had, like, braids and dickie suits.

29:44 Right, right, right.

29:45 So a lot of people thought we was, until we go, like, on the West Coast, so everybody look down, they see the dickie suits and Timbs.

29:52 He's like, hey, hey, homie ain't from here. Where you from? East Coast. Oh, okay, okay. Right, right. I like you. Yeah, they see the dick. Okay.

30:04 Right.

30:04 I'm in now.

30:05 Right.

30:05 Yeah, it's funny.

30:06 But how was that acceptance in New York? Because we know back then, I don't know if now it's like that, but Jersey, New York, like New York wasn't easily accepting Jersey.

30:15 Oh, yeah, at all.

30:16 Not at all. But we ain't tell nobody until after we was platinum.

30:20 Right.

30:20 We don't want no smoking in New York. It's our number one selling, you know, arena ever. Our whole market.

30:29 You're a Yankees fan too, right? Yeah, let's go Yankees. I don't know why.

30:37 Every time you say that, I watched you online. Every time you said that, your Spanish accent comes out.

30:41 You already know.

30:43 He's got a great Spanish accent. I got two babe mamas from the Bronx. Makes sense. Makes sense. So you want to take a quick time on Slam? Yeah, let's do it. You got to explain to him the game. Even though he played the game before, you got to explain to him. Let's do a quick time first. All right. These fuckers, y'all. Mm-hmm. So we're going to give you two choices. You pick one. We don't drink. If you say both or neither, you really don't want to answer it, then we drink. Okay. We drink with you, though. But we just want stories out of it. I know y'all do.

31:14 I was here before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got you. Come on.

31:19 You ready?

31:19 All right.

31:20 Digital underground pock or death row pock? Ooh.

31:24 Ooh.

31:25 Man. Okay.

31:26 And any stories to go with any of this? Man, I.

31:30 it's kind of both of them because one is the birth and one is the grown man. You know what I mean? It's like, this is what made him be able to be on death row. Right. from where he started. So I would just say Digital Underground.

31:53 Oh, you did pick. I thought you wasn't going to pick.

31:56 No, because that was everything that made... Defro believed in Pac enough to get him out of jail and everything else and like, let's go home.

32:06 That was, but digital made Pac, Pac.

32:10 Yeah. Let me ask you something. I was like, I don't want to say I was the first.

32:16 I can do the shot glasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shot glasses. Yeah. I was one of the first. Not the first to work with Pharrell, right? Yes, yes.

32:26 And I was, I believe, the first artist to work with 50 Cent, right?

32:31 Wow.

32:31 And it kind of like....

32:36 So, it's kind of like cliche when I say, yo, I saw this from the beginning. Like, I saw Pharrell being a star, and I saw 50 being a star, too.

32:43 Yep, thank you. Thank you. Swiss Beats and all that. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Let me ask you. that question, like, Pac is immortal right now.

32:52 Mm-hmm.

32:52 Like, one, what was it like the first time you met him? Mm-hmm.

32:57 And two, did you feel, did you know he was that big of a person, like, or first?

33:04 Oh, no. Yeah.

33:05 No, not, not how, um, extensive his, his whole, uh, family line, bloodline, um, His talent as far as, you know, he went to.

33:23 School for acting.

33:24 You know, I didn't know. When I first seen him, it was like, he was with Digital Underground. I was with Latifah.

33:32 We was roadies. We was meeting up like, yo, carrying bags. But he's grooved and going like, huh, what's up? My name's Tretch. I'm Pac. Whoa, you got more up there? Boom.

33:42 We help each other if more started just like that. And every time after.

33:46 We get out... Like, dead serious, y'all was really carrying bags. Yeah, that was our job. Carrying bags and back up on stage.

33:51 Wow, wow.

33:52 Okay.

33:52 Yeah, and we was getting paid out per diem. And every time we got that shit, every stop, we done with our bags.

33:58 We helping to get off when we going through the hood. Just a week. Just a week. I heard you say that.

34:02 All the time. So we started like that. So just knowing... I mean, he was just the coolest nigga. Funny, like, we all talking, like, baff. And then you seen his hunger on stage, like, and... And, no, I'm looking at this nigga doing the Humpty A.

34:19 Night, like... This nigga, yo... He doing this shit so he can get to his shit. Yeah, he playing his role. He playing his role. Yo, I'm like, this shit dope. Boom. So I'm looking at my shit. I'm like, I got to sharpen even my shit up on here. Right, right.

34:31 Behind Latifah and all. Just like, yeah, really catapult this and use it. And we was out signing autographs. Like, mingling with the fans. Getting to know him. 35 years later, we know a lot of people we met back then. Wow.

34:47 That was the foundation for y'all. Yeah.

34:50 Yeah.

34:50 Yep. Incredible.

34:53 All right.

34:53 That was a great question. M.O.P. or Mobb Deep? I'll drink. OK. Salah. Salah. Because I can say both. I ain't saying like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't.

35:14 Wasn't you on the Art of Rap tour when that last day with Prodigy passed away?

35:18 No. No, you wasn't in Vegas at that time? No, thank God. Okay, yeah. No, I was there. No. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Run DMC or EPMD?

35:31 Yo, Eric, I know.

35:39 Your face, Eric. I'm going to know your face, Eric. Eric, sorry, man.

35:47 I got to say Run DMC only because they came first.

35:51 That's right. That's it. That's right. I believe. When APMD came, they did like this. Right.

35:59 Anybody that came at that era, that era took their slot. But just because Run DMC, that was, yeah. And them boys, actually, Run DMC put hip-hop On MTV.

36:16 Right. With the Aerosmith joint, right? First. Walk this way. Walk this way. First.

36:21 Yeah.

36:21 That crossover did so much for hip hop. Yeah. First. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Made a way for MTV raps. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Nas or LL? Man, I'm a joint. All right. I'm in. So I look.

36:43 Especially these niggas, yo. Them motherfuckers, neither one of them lost a battle yet. I don't want no fucking smoke.

36:49 This is my uncle and my relative right here. Nah, them. And they still killing it.

36:56 Yeah.

36:57 Shout out to them, man. Jay-Z or Big Daddy Kane?

37:04 I got to go with Big Daddy Kane. That's the big homie. I do so mean. Oh, Big Daddy Kane is another one.

37:10 Oh, he out here talking? Yeah. Always. We did the New Jack City play together. I know, I know. Congratulations. You won two plays, right? Yeah, Jason's lyric was after that. Okay, okay, yeah.

37:23 Shout out to Halle Payne and the whole squad.

37:26 Icarus Productions.

37:27 What's the difference between being on stage performing and being on stage performing?

37:33 Man, in acting, it's no... No fuck up.

37:39 Really, especially if you have a movie that's been out, they know the lines and blah, blah, blah.

37:43 Oh, okay.

37:44 But you just, you got a crowd there.

37:46 You got to stay in sync. Oh, so you reenacting that movie. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, New Jack City and.

37:51 Yeah, they adapted it to both.

37:53 Yeah, I was Nino Brown. Okay, I knew that.

37:55 Yeah, so, and Jason's lyric is just, that's a, it's not like a movie where you take two, cut, take three.

38:03 You got a lot of crowd, so even if it's a mistake, the crowd don't know.

38:07 They don't know When you got a dope We got a dope They ain't yelling out Trash you fucking up Nope Nope We got a dope crew And then if something happen If somebody go Everybody got everybody back Okay So they'll know how to switch off And pick the band to go to Band like Oh okay Yeah That's That's scary though Hip hop easy for me.

38:29 I ain't gonna lie, that sounds scary to me.

38:30 Acting, like, every, and you, you go on an hour and a half, it's one intermission, but you change and close every scene that you come back on.

38:40 So in the back, the crowd don't see, but you got it. A lot of adrenaline trying to get shit done. But you got it to a science.

38:46 Ain't nobody bumping any, like, because you do like a month worth of rehearsals beforehand. Then dress rehearsals like a week and a half beforehand. So, you just hitting your spots and doing it.

38:57 Yeah. Hip hop. Hip hop. Hip hop. Hip hop. All because of hip hop. That's Biggie. Yeah.

39:07 All right.

39:07 Public enemy or NWA? This is a great question. Public WA. I like that. I got to drink. Yeah, yeah. I like that. I think you got to drink because that was a dope answer. That was hard. I was not ready for that one.

39:30 I always say I think they're the same group from different sides of the spectrum.

39:33 Pretty much the most radical you could get from each coach. Same energy. Energy and messaging.

39:39 Yeah. Like, they were the radical parts of the hip-hop rapper slash journalist. Yeah. Telling the real shit from.

39:48 The streets. Two of my favorite groups of all time.

39:49 Definitely.

39:51 And them S1Ws will fuck you up, son. Milk Bone or MC Search?

40:01 Man, Milk was down with my relatives and stuff.

40:05 I got to say Milk Ma. I've been shouting out Milk Ma. Everybody's touched it when I shout him out. Yeah, why? That's Jersey, so yeah, Milk. Yeah, big up Milk Ma. I thought he was dope when he came out. I want to pick up Vanilla Ice. He mentioned Vanilla Ice earlier. Vanilla Ice.

40:18 Because that was the only person I didn't get to see on the I Love the 90s tour.

40:22 I missed his set.

40:23 Yeah.

40:24 But I wanted to see it. He's out there. Yeah. Out there. All right, UMTV Raps or Video Music Box? Video Music Box. What's up, OG Brown? What's up, OG Brown?

40:38 Yeah, that's what niggas had to stop saying they was us at shows because.

40:42 Brown played our video. Niggas knew what we looked like, Uncle Ralph. Because of Uncle Ralph. Yes, Uncle Ralph. Me Against the World or Machiavelli? Oh, man. Nah, man. You're not.

40:56 Nah, nah.

40:58 I drink. You can't even. Nope, nope, nope, nope. Both of them hellfire, boy. Yeah, I won't argue that either. Bootcamp click or native tongue? God, man. I love bootcamp, but even Hip Hop Array. L-O-N-S. And Quest. Try to call Quest.

41:25 And let me get that. So, yeah, I got to go with Tribe. And that's Southside Jamaica, Queens.

41:32 What's up? What's up? What's up? 80s hip hop or 90s hip hop? Man, why the fuck... I got to say 90s because I'm from 90s. That's right. I got to... But it's the same... But the 80s hurt you in a sense. They did.

41:49 Yeah.

41:50 Am I the ghetto bastard? Yes. I am the bastard. Yes, yes.

41:53 I have family problems sometimes.

41:55 That's in my notes. That's in my notes. Yes. Yes. How many of us talk back to our parents?

41:59 Yes.

42:00 I'm going to get fucked up, Melly Mel. Go ahead. Muscle Simmons is going to have a problem with me, you know? Well, he will. Because I like to think that without that tail end of the 80s... It was no us.

42:12 We wouldn't have had the golden era of hip-hop in the 90s, early 90s.

42:16 But they were arguing that that is the golden era of the 80s.

42:19 Well, I mean... They would have a point, too.

42:21 I think if you do 10-year, 85 to 95 would be the golden era.

42:24 What?

42:25 What'd you say? 85 to 95? 85 to 95? You could call that the golden era. That's pretty... All right. That's pretty slick. I'm not in there. Like, I think that's some of the....

42:34 I said, you were born from the golden age of God.

42:36 This is your man.

42:39 This is your God. I'm 96 years old. I'm the year after.

42:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:43 We got to hop in. We're out of here. We're out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. That's hilarious. Next one. Brand newbie or poor righteous teachers? Damn it. Damn it. Come on. Because Paul Reichenstein is from Jersey. Yeah, that's a biased fucking question. And I already had him.

43:01 I'm kicking my brand new, brand new being, brand new being.

43:05 Fuck it, yo. I'm going to drink this.

43:09 Because I just heard a record with you and said. x.

43:11 Yes, yes. And KRS-One. Free paper bun. Yes. All right. Cypress Hill or House of Pain? Cypress Hill. Yeah, that was easy. No disrespect to House of Pain.

43:26 Yeah.

43:27 The Lost Boys or Onyx? Here we go with this queen shit. That's a bad one. I got a drink. Yo, yo. Who the fuck wrote this?

43:36 They wrote these. The Dominican, Mr.

43:38 Lee, and the Columbia right there. We call it the cocaine section. Yes. Yeah. Chi-Chi.

43:44 Chi-Chi.

43:45 Chi-Chi. Well, damn, I took my shot already. Yeah. Busta or Eminem? That's a real, real hip-hop question. Thank you. Take a shot? Yeah, man. Yes. Solo.

44:08 Because Em credits you a lot, right? Yeah.

44:15 Yeah. And Busta, that's... We from.

44:20 We from the L.O.N.S.

44:22 Leaders of the New School days.

44:24 Like, seeing each other perform at different spots, underground spots, before anybody had Apache, Rest in Peace.

44:32 Rest in Peace. Yeah, I respect that. Eminem's my light-skinned twin. Yes.

44:40 Won't do a solo album unless I'm signing with Shade Day.

44:44 Fire. Clips or Dog Pound? God damn it.

44:49 I'm... It's just, I'm going Dog Pound. And I know him personally. And we just got finished talking. We're setting up some road dates and some music collab.

45:02 We never, ever collab. A lot of our era. Y'all never did a joint together?

45:08 Dog Pound, Naughty, never. Never even me on one note. Everybody is coming together. It's so crazy. So many artists. I'm doing a shout out to Tylo. Exhibit, Crenshaw by Nature. Oh, wow.

45:22 Yeah, yeah.

45:23 We coming with that. It's just legendary. Our era artist is like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

45:32 So I'm going to do it. And I'm happy to see Dog Pound back together. Yes. But they didn't break up. No. It was Snoop. I know. It seemed like they weren't. I know. To see them together in an interview feels good, you know? Right. Because I don't like Daz and Snoop beefing. No. This is what we talk about. Our favorite artists. You see what... Damn, I forgot. Yeah.

45:51 Yeah.

45:52 You be like, uh-huh. Everybody start itching.

45:54 Like, ooh.

45:55 Ah.

45:56 Let me tell you how much I'm like... involved like with trying to be keep like groups together i was on tour with ray kwan and i think ghostface called him and i don't know what happened but it wasn't a good call i walked to the other side of the tour bus ray kwan looked at me and said yo buddy what do you like you know be family like you know i had a little argument with my man it's nothing I was like, he's like, I know about your opponent's arguments y'all have and your beef. I was like, that's because we doing business together. It's cool that you know about me and my opponent's business. The fact is, I don't want to know outside business. The way I look at y'all.

46:42 You want to keep that. I want to keep that.

46:43 You know what I'm saying?

46:44 Like, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm just like that. All right.

46:49 Okay.

46:51 Primo or Pete Rock? DJ Premier for anybody. Shh. Do that. I'm going to need tracks from these niggas. Yeah.

47:04 But I also seen you, speaking about Pete Rock, I also see you on, I believe it's the Yayo show as well. And they got asked about the CL, Pete Rock. And you said, did you hear what Pete Rock said? Because CL's talk was on Drink Champs.

47:21 On Drink Champs, yeah. So CL asked, he asked what I asked you. Mm-hmm. He asked.

47:27 He said, yo, you can be on one side of the studio, or I can be on this side of the studio. I can perform over here. You can perform over here. Like, on some grown man shit.

47:37 Mm-hmm.

47:38 And he said, I believe he said, I think we owe it to the people. That was his exact word, C.L.

47:44 Swoon. Yeah.

47:46 But Pete Rock denied it. Yeah, yeah. I did not think that. I thought Pete.

47:51 He denied it respectful. I don't think he was disrespectful or nothing, but... I mean, the way he... I don't want to misquote because I had it before. But like you said, I delete certain things out of my head. But it was something.

48:04 Where it was like... Like another producer could do that. Yeah, that's what he said. Yeah, it was something like that. And I was like, whoo! I didn't like it.

48:12 All right.

48:15 Oz or The Sopranos? Ooh. I was on both.

48:19 That's right.

48:20 You got to take a shot then. Yeah, man. Both on HBO.

48:26 Yeah, you get HBO money early. Yeah, you got shot on The Sopranos, too.

48:37 Yes, I got shot on The Sopranos and killed in Oz. It's a hard life being a motherfucker. Don't think you motherfuckers gonna make it.

48:47 I get killed off of everything. This nigga's an animal. Yo, in my audition I get killed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Analog or digital? Analog. I still write my rhymes down, homie. Yeah, me too. My notes and A's. Yeah, I got notes. Oh, you got a pen. You're taking it too far. I got rhymes, homie. Like, what the fuck are you saying? Analog. Yeah. analog.

49:21 That's the best way to answer that question.

49:26 And he had bad wallpaper. That's easy water. That's easy water. I ain't seen this since the 80s.

49:34 Well, see a real live Naughty Bat.

49:40 See a real live Naughty Bat with a filter in it. With a filter in it.

49:45 Yes, yes, yes.

49:46 That was it right there.

49:47 Yeah, in the beginning of the show, I was joking because this nigga's like smoking.

49:52 Yeah, I'm like, I'm playing here, Smoke. Yeah, yeah, my shit is in the 80s. I want to have lung show. Yeah, my shit is in the 80s. His shit is in the 80s. Yeah, my lungs are trapped in the 80s. I'm sorry. Man, those lungs aren't doing too well.

50:08 I can't.

50:08 I can't. All right, Queen Latifah or MC Lyte? Queen Latifah, love you, Lyte.

50:15 But you already know that's my sister. I would save you. took us out the ghetto man um not only signed us to the management company which made all the tommy boy and every moves possible but who who the fuck you know label like so management like back then or whatever train you on how not to get god train you on She, like we was talking about the Tupac.

50:46 I'm reading for Bishop. I never acted before. She like, you're going to go in there and see. And if it's not, you're going to work on it, tighten it up for the next one because this rap shit might not last.

50:58 You're going to be.

50:59 So that's how she was a mentor, a big sister, a guardian of made sure you're going to be doing. So that's when she went out on the road. I think that might have been.

51:14 A PE tour.

51:15 PE tour, PE, Digital Underground, Heavy D, Queen Latifah. And when I went out, that's when I got on there. So let me ask you another question.

51:27 Same area. Queen Latifah or Cleo?

51:31 Queen Latifah or Cleo? This is a trick question.

51:34 Nigga, Queen Latifah is Cleo. I know that. Fucking, you ain't gonna act like I ain't shot you. No, no, no, no, no. You just saying like what? Cleo, listen, listen.

51:41 Cleo, she has her own, like, she has her own fan base. Like, there's fans of just Cleo who they don't even realize that's Queen Latifah.

51:49 You know that, right? All right, hold up. So who would you pick? I'm going to pick.

51:55 Both, because Latifah is Cleo.

51:58 Cleo, Latifah leads to death. Hold the fuck up. Let me finish. Don't be trying to, motherfucker, cut me off.

52:04 Yo, if La walks out the door, is she going to play b-ball? Is she going to put them cornrows in?

52:11 Okay, so she turns into Cleo. No turning the shit. Cleo was Latifah. Okay. They made that roll for mom.

52:18 That's right.

52:19 Hip hop saved her.

52:20 Yeah.

52:20 So she never had to go and be the total Cleo. Okay, wow. That died, but she's the alive Cleo. She's the alive Cleo. Play with her. Let's go. She'll ask you for a phase. I want to have the drink. I don't understand.

52:32 I thought Cleo, this nigga think I'm drunk.

52:35 No, you pick both. You technically pick both.

52:41 You right.

52:42 Yeah, it's the little shot. You do a little shot. That's my next question. Flavor Unit or Roc Nation?

52:51 Flavor Unit for fucking life, man. I just want to take another shot.

53:02 The Outsiders or Lords of the Underground? Lord of the Outsiders.

53:11 I'm going to let y'all know they're fucking with me and all my Jersey family. They was like Yo watch We gonna make this nigga drink No.

53:20 No no We making sure They know how much You love Jersey Yeah They know Alright Redman or K-Solo Redman K-Solo's from Long Island right Redman from Jersey right Yeah Of course That's why I knew it Alright now The last one Alright And then we gonna get Back to the interview Okay Loyalty or respect.

53:48 Loyalty.

53:49 Because respect comes after loyalty. Once you show loyalty, you're going to get respect. You give respect and you don't have loyalty anymore, you lose your stripes. Then you'd be on a teddy bear tour. And you'd be looked at as affiliated with a teddy bear. And then you'd be Winnie the Pooh. Got awkward with the teddy bear.

54:16 I know where you're going with it. I was going to take a shot for that, but hold up. You can.

54:21 You're not from Jersey.

54:28 I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready.

54:32 You mentioned that so you and Park basically were What kind of pain do's at the same time?

54:38 I got the pain do at the same time. Definitely. But this is before, obviously, Naughty and all that, right?

54:45 It was around, it was the same time, but like I said, Pop was with Digital, so he was on the road with him. Me, they couldn't take me, Vin, and K out on the road, so they was like, take him, because he's out in these streets right now, active.

55:03 What?

55:04 Right.

55:04 Well, the reason why I'm asking is because where did you guys learn... the professionalism that you guys brought.

55:11 Oh, it started, look.

55:13 And I want to preface this before you go. Because I got to meet you guys early. My boy Alfonso worked for Priority.

55:20 And he down here. And I got to meet you guys early.

55:23 And I met you guys, and I had a whole different idea of how you guys might be backstage and during the whole process of doing a show.

55:30 And y'all were humble.

55:31 Y'all dealt with the promoters.

55:33 You thought these bitches are bent over? I don't know what happened. Busting off Saturday.

55:39 I just didn't expect Y'all to be so Y'all so professional Oh no It was a.

55:43 Tight shit It was like boom boom boom Like boom boom Get the deposit We got role managers We got Everybody got a job We was rolling 20 deep And everybody had a job Right You understand Everybody Everybody was working It was We We knew that It started actually Upon signing With Flavor Unit Now that's Queen Latifah Shaw Kent Mm-hmm They, we had our own little, like, talent show for them to show them.

56:19 Kind of auditioning for them, right? Auditioning for the Flavor Unit, just for the management.

56:23 Mm-hmm. So we did that, and once it came through, we.

56:27 Heard, you know, that's Apache back there. Mm-hmm.

56:30 A guy, he was like, if y'all sign them, I don't even want to be with Flavor Unit. Mm-hmm. They the truth. We chill town, JC. That's ill town. Like, wow. So once they say, yeah, we signing y'all. Me, Van Kay went, had to sit down. And I'm like, my niggas, we either got to choose the streets or this music shit now.

56:59 Yeah.

57:00 We was always still hanging on to the streets because we didn't have nothing promises.

57:04 We didn't even have a label with us.

57:06 Even talked about, but we not going to taint Latifah name and her brand and her business and her and Shia's stuff at all. We either going to do the streets or going to go do this music 100%. So we all said, business over bullshit, we gave the block up. Long story short, within a year later, like around the time we had to leave, they started the feds investigating the block. Bang.

57:37 And we didn't do that at that time. Y'all would have got caught up.

57:42 We would have got caught up. Y'all would have been like the first BMF.

57:45 Yeah.

57:46 And all our homies, Skee-Ball, MD, Lil' Steve, all of them did daytime in the feds.

57:55 And they came for.

57:56 Us because they thought we used drug money too, but like... Our drug money wasn't nothing. $ 250, 000 deal. All that was, you know. But the feds was on us, took money from us, and had to give money back to us.

58:12 Because they thought it was.

58:14 wishy-washy, but once we signed a Flav unit for it, we even got signed a Tommy Boy, had to decide the streets, playing both of them, and I'll shout out to my little YNs right now, because y'all know I be in the hood and I love y'all, but don't hustle backwards. Don't get up in here and get rich just to get a life sentence.

58:38 Choose one or the other.

58:39 Now, if you want to come in here, you know they're going to get you, so that's your decision, but And ain't nothing like to taste the good life to give it back for life without parole.

58:50 So now Flavor Unit was the management, Tommy Boy was the label. Yup.

58:54 And then when y'all got to Tommy Boy, Tommy Boy was distributed by Warner.

58:58 Warner Brothers. Okay. Yeah. Okay, because Tommy Boy was still independent.

59:01 Yeah, we got signed to Warner Brothers first by Benny Medina.

59:06 Oh, shit.

59:06 Oh, wow. J-Lo's manager. W-Bugs Bunny money. All right.

59:10 Wow, yeah. Warner Brothers. Yeah. So we were signed in. Warner Brothers didn't know how to work hip-hop.

59:16 So since Tommy Boy was a subsidiary of them, they put us on Tommy Boy.

59:22 Wow. So we had the major... Dealed on.

59:26 Contract with an independent label, so we had major distribution for an independent label.

59:31 Wow. So that worked out tremendously. Wow.

59:35 And then, like, the group messed up because you can't have Benny Medina and try to be Vinny Medina.

59:44 Ah, shit. And own the group when you don't.

59:48 Mm-hmm.

59:49 You feel me?

59:50 I'm going to say certain things in here because I'm not talking to nobody about this.

59:53 I came here.

59:55 Yeah.

59:56 He had a podcast he did where he talked about putting hands on me. All right. That's his claim to fame now. All right. All right, hold on.

1:00:06 Mm-hmm.

1:00:08 All these fights we've been doing cross-country through our whole career, I'm the first one off the tour bus. Mm-hmm. I'm putting it down. I'm swinging on behalf of our crew and anything else to get back home safe and anything else. Where was your swings at? But you could swing on me. Now, I'm not mad at a swing on if a homie want to say, come outside and let's get this fade. Oh, you feeling some type way?

1:00:38 Good.

1:00:38 Don't sneak me in an office. 1,000 Grand Concourse, the Bronx. Yeah, in the office, homie, with Becky and everything else. You get tired of a situation of us talking business and feel like you want to put your.

1:00:54 Hands on it.

1:00:56 Now, I never thought it was going to get so, when he swung, I'm like, oh. Then he pulled the shirt over my head and started trying to wow. You know, I could slide out the shirt. Right.

1:01:09 Then Pokey Man comes out. Right, so you did with all of the knives. Yes, I did. Okay, all right, cool. Because now, nigga, you tried to hurt me.

1:01:17 You didn't ask me as a homie that we came up from here, let's go outside.

1:01:20 Mm-hmm. You snuck me and then tried to hurt me. Mm-hmm.

1:01:26 And he ran in the bathroom. So that's his claim to fame. And he said that. He admitted to that. But I'm saying that's your claim to fame, putting your hands on me. Homie, I am solidified. Nobody never questioned my gangster at all.

1:01:40 Nothing.

1:01:41 Me and K had a squabble one time. Guess what we said? We said, let's meet in the park and put up our vow. I respect K to this day for that because the nigga ain't sneak me.

1:01:51 Mm-hmm. You feel me? In the hood, I'm Trigger. I'm good, solidified.

1:01:56 Him, he known as Winnie the Pooh because of his teddy bear associations. Winnie the Pooh. You ain't get no stripes for putting your hands on me. When you ever put your hands up when we fighting in front of you?

1:02:10 Strangers. Nigga, you stole forgave. Put a knife in my back. I took it out.

1:02:19 You never let the wound heal, homie.

1:02:23 Now, this is a verbal.

1:02:29 Don't come near nothing, near me, 100 feet, ever.

1:02:34 We might be in the same spot and we cool.

1:02:37 Because trust takes years to build, but only take one instant to destroy. Paperwork was sent out on me to my management, my associates, All above that, I do management, their management, our lawyers. If I come for him or threaten him, he will call the police. Homie, I never attacked you. Matter of fact, I got my sneak back.

1:03:13 But I never threatened you or nothing. We don't get down like that. We pride ourselves off of none of the homies came up, killed the nigga by our snitch, no niggas by our boom. There's certain codes we came up on. But don't never feel like you're going to test me as like I'm going to be a dumb nigga to hustle backwards, go backwards, or come for you.

1:03:35 Don't never come.

1:03:36 What they said at training day?

1:03:41 That's why I never fucking shake his hand, man. He's a low-down dirty vato, S.A. That's why I never shake his hand. And the last time I shook his hand.

1:03:54 It was about a month or so ago before I seen what he was saying about the situation with us there. Because I never came out and said nothing about it because I felt like that's corny shit. Because you're real live fans don't want to hear about y'all beefing. But you want to tell a story, tell a whole story, homie.

1:04:13 That part. We don't take a shot for that, right? No. All right. Yeah.

1:04:26 I'm going to take a shot.

1:04:32 Yeah.

1:04:34 Wow.

1:04:35 Okay. But y'all won a Grammy for the best rap album. Yeah.

1:04:41 How was that like? A blessing and fucked up at the same time.

1:04:48 I don't understand. Everybody got to know, like, with hip-hop, all.

1:04:59 Our young artists that's out there really know what artists had to go through before y'all to get y'all there.

1:05:08 We had to receive our Grammy backstage. That's before they did it televised? Yeah, they didn't televise hip-hop. Was that before the boycott, too?

1:05:17 Before?

1:05:18 No, that was... Yeah, that was before. People saw a boycott and after, like, yo. Close to that, yeah, yeah. Like, homies can't go on stage and say, Ma, Ma, Ma, we. Nah, we had to get our shit backstage and then leave. Wow.

1:05:32 That's fucked up.

1:05:33 Like, it was the 60s. You feel me? Like, you in the... Jim Crow like But did you get Get a chance to hold The Grammy.

1:05:41 Oh no no They got a Grammy Yeah in the back They give you one To take a picture But they didn't Deem it to be televised And show.

1:05:48 The world Or at actual award shows They'll give you Like a fake version.

1:05:52 Oh no that's just To take the picture Yeah you just.

1:05:54 Put it To take a picture That's what I'm asking Like yeah okay My Grammy right now Was sitting In a hip hop museum Oh wow In the Bronx In the Bronx Nas joint Yeah Yeah that's dope So you let You let them exhibit it No, it's actually, I.

1:06:09 Think it's on... You donated it? Yeah. It's not on.

1:06:13 It's on.

1:06:14 It's on P.

1:06:15 Nice from Third Base Desk because he's in it. Oh, wow.

1:06:19 He said, Tresor, I see you cramming every day.

1:06:21 What? I was like, yeah, my guy.

1:06:23 That's dope, man. Yeah, my guy. That's dope. That's dope. For the culture. Yes, for the culture.

1:06:31 When you guys did Hip Hop Hooray, and I think we might have talked about this last time you were here. It seemed like in that era, saying the word hip-hop wasn't... People didn't say that.

1:06:43 It wasn't cool. Like, in hip-hop, it wasn't cool to say hip-hop. You a hip-hop artist? They like, oh, you... So, when you came out with the song, did you guys... Were you guys, like... Did you feel like, ah, maybe we shouldn't do this? No, no. Because our forefathers.

1:06:55 From the 70s and 80s, all our legends were saying hip-hop.

1:06:59 All hip-hop, hip-hop. Now, it's like how....

1:07:04 You know, breakdancing, certain things. Beatboxing was cut out of our culture. Hip-hop not getting cut out of our culture. Our OGs put it. I got a DJ live. Ain't nobody, you know what I mean, hitting just buttons. We doing that. Got a backup man, live microphones on. You hearing the real lyrics and all that. So it was a part where it was like, yo, I live and die for hip-hop.

1:07:26 This is hip-hop of the day. I give props to hip-hop. Hip-hop. Fuck hip-hip-a-ray, nigga. Fuck it, I'm going to jack them. What?

1:07:33 When I heard, I just, something was in my head.

1:07:35 I'm like, hip, hip, hooray. Hip, hop, hooray. It's us.

1:07:41 It's us.

1:07:42 It's for everybody. And hip hop. And the culture. Loves the culture. Lives the culture.

1:07:47 Ain't got to be rhyming or nothing. Behind the scenes. The writers, directors, our films, that's hip hop.

1:07:54 Hip hop. It's fine.

1:07:55 I remember seeing that video for the first time. The video was very impactful as well.

1:07:59 And guess what?

1:08:01 We wanted it to be So extra impactful. We was like, we need a major director for this.

1:08:12 Fuck it, man.

1:08:13 Let's go call a nigga. It's going to cost. We call Spike Lee. Spike Lee said, what? Okay, when y'all want to do this? It's like, oh, sounding good.

1:08:26 He said, okay, let me check.

1:08:27 Long as it's... Not a day to nix play on. Spike Lee, we like, ooh, shit. It's really sounding good. We was like, all right, but what if it is on a day? We can make it work, but y'all going to have to get up early.

1:08:49 We said, done deal.

1:08:52 Told us his price.

1:08:54 Boom. bow, Spike Lee directed it. No, it's incredible. Man, this motherfucker, it was two days of the Knicks playing. Oh, shit. No, one of the days.

1:09:07 One of the days out of two days. Spike was in the hood knocking on the door. I lived in the same house for like 10 years after we was platinum, like in the hood. So we shot the video 18th Street, Spike Lee knocking on the door. Let's go, let's start. Because he had to be in the car. Before 6 p.m. So it was like 5 a.m. All the shots set up easy.

1:09:31 He was in town. Everybody was on, man.

1:09:35 Moop, my problem solver, was just talking about, did his time. He was just home from the feds, had his anklet on in the video on the porch. And when I say Moop, my problem solver, he was on the porch with his anklet on.

1:09:46 We was like, Spike, we can get him in video.

1:09:49 He said, yeah, we can get him as long as we out of here by 5.

1:09:53 Yeah, that's an incredible... So, can we clap? Spike Lee? Spike Lee directed Hip Hop Array. How many people knew that? Nah, I did not know that. Nah, it's dope. So, like, you know, we had.

1:10:08 Slytherin on here, and we spoke to them about their affiliation with Pac at one point, right? Them being from Brooklyn. And like, you know, Pac actually dissed somebody from Brooklyn. Like, how did they feel? How did they get any backlash? And I recently saw one of the outlaws or two of the outlaws, I forget, and they commented. on something that Jay-Z said, but I want to separate that.

1:10:38 Did you ever get, like, backlash for, like... Hell yeah, hell yeah. No, from a distance. Okay. I'm from the East Coast. Yes. Riding with Pop. Right, yes. I'm in Jersey, right next to New York.

1:10:52 Yes.

1:10:52 All the parties, all the booms, all the booms. But, you know, that was really....

1:10:59 A credit to some negativity, I was at my most ignorant in the industry at that time.

1:11:07 Because you was in Biggie's video, though. And Biggie was my man.

1:11:10 Right, okay. Hawk introduced me to Biggie. Wow, I keep forgetting that, yo. Wow, I keep forgetting that.

1:11:15 From that day, Biggie was my nigga.

1:11:18 So.

1:11:19 So much stuff was going on.

1:11:20 If Pac-9 in town, I get up with Biggie, boom, same vice versa.

1:11:24 Biggie giving me bockhead, boom, bah, bah, bah, bah. So Pac-9 in town, but Biggie shooting a video. Yo, Trudge, come through.

1:11:30 I'm there, my nigga.

1:11:31 Wow.

1:11:32 But one thing different in that time, everywhere, I'm 20, 30 deep.

1:11:38 Right, right.

1:11:40 In my deepness, out of 30... maybe seven from Queens, seven from Brooklyn, seven from the Bronx, rest of Jersey.

1:11:50 Right, yeah.

1:11:51 So when motherfuckers want to say, fuck that nigga, oh, zip, boom, boom, what?

1:11:56 All my burble niggas come, what son, what done, what, what done, what, what?

1:12:02 Yeah, because my borough bandits is like, y'all in New York, all the homies, they pushing us back.

1:12:08 Let us handle this.

1:12:09 Right.

1:12:10 You know, same on the West Coast and blah, blah, blah.

1:12:12 Right. But we had to be there like, yo, nigga, I don't have no biggie. Biggie is my guy. I'm looking for the point where I could get them like this.

1:12:22 I remember you saying that to us before.

1:12:24 Yes.

1:12:24 I don't know if you told me that maybe personally.

1:12:27 Because I'm knowing Biggie. And like, yo, there's some shit. Like, let me defuse, but I'm knowing Pac. Pac hardhead and bow. He got a woosah. You can't tell this nigga nothing until he want to. If he's at a different, if he's up, you can't tell. Listen, I don't think, ah! Gemini, you know, he get it. But just never got a chance to.

1:12:53 Get them. I always will regret that.

1:12:56 I know this is like a cliche and it's like, Kind of like a what if moment.

1:13:01 But what if.

1:13:04 Biggie and Pac actually squashed it? What do you think the rap game would have been? It would have been over on a whole different level. It would have showed, I think, the future of artists. Which is what hip hop was built off of. Taking gangs and make them battle with words instead of weapons.

1:13:27 Yes. You feel me?

1:13:28 It would have shown if these two right here commended, it could be a whole nother level of elevation the same way the L.A.

1:13:40 Riots was. Right. You feel me? When the L.A.

1:13:43 Riots went on, Christian bloods.

1:13:47 Got like that, and it took it to a whole nother.

1:13:50 This is the Rodney King in the city. A whole different level of unification. Then you had self-destruction on the East Coast, KRS, and everybody did that. You had all the same gang on the West Coast. This would have brought two coasts together like that. But when you snuff out both of the heads of that there.

1:14:15 You leave everybody supporting them mad. So that never came to be like this.

1:14:22 I want to ask you something. I also saw something online, right? This is about L.A.

1:14:30 This is about L.A.

1:14:31 More than anything. That they had a crate of a train. And this is a guy talking about it in like the 90s or whatever. And in this crate, it was full of guns. I mean, they said that this was was deliberately made. It was put in Black Panther's neighborhoods.

1:14:53 Right.

1:14:53 Oh, what of guns? Guns. I've heard about this in Chicago. I heard that in modern times. I can pull this shit up right now.

1:15:01 This is a guy in L.A. and he's like, yo, I saw it myself. Do you think the Black Panthers were like. Infiltrated, like, you know what I mean? I know we're getting a little deep, but.

1:15:13 That's a known story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cointelpro. Yeah, Cointelpro. That's what I meant to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They infiltrated. Cointelpro claims they're gangs. No, they used gangs. They came to gangs, period.

1:15:25 They infiltrated.

1:15:26 Yeah, yeah, they infiltrated the gangs. But this is something different, I believe. And this was just like... Well, it's a part of the same thing. It's a part of the same thing.

1:15:33 It's all an operation. But it was like, yo, they deliberately put guns... On.

1:15:41 A street in, I don't know, I know it's L.A.

1:15:44 It might have been in Bay. I'm not sure. It might have been in Bay. It might have been in Bay.

1:15:47 You haven't seen that in, I would say, less than 10 years ago or maybe around that.

1:15:52 They had video of supposedly it happening in Chicago.

1:15:55 Okay, okay, okay.

1:15:56 I don't know how legit that is. Was that during COVID? No, because that was when they was dropping rocks.

1:16:01 Maybe right before. Or bricks, yeah, bricks. Can I get another one? Yeah. What did Nino say?

1:16:07 Uh-huh.

1:16:09 Ain't no brown. Ain't no Uzis made in Harlem. Ain't no poppy plants. Very true. And then I'll say, how many niggas got the connect? Right. How the fuck can connect? Yes. In another country, you're going to know this nigga right here. Yes.

1:16:25 Word.

1:16:26 How you get that connect? Word. Who set it up?

1:16:29 Word.

1:16:30 And we learned that during the Iran-Contra. We learned that. The crack epidemic was orchestrated, was engineered. Nah, but it's just weird. Unfortunately, we don't really... Grasp it.

1:16:41 Look at it as real history and deal with it accordingly.

1:16:44 Why you think they call it the trap? Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, I didn't think that.

1:16:52 Yeah.

1:16:52 All right, so I'm going to go back to my notes, okay? We covered new stuff. You never really went into ghetto bastard.

1:17:01 Uh-huh. And how that came about. Let's talk about that.

1:17:08 It was a little elaborate in the song on my mother's behalf. She threw me out, but it was because I was like, if you can't listen, go out. It wasn't because we were poor, but my moms worked jobs, and we was pretty good.

1:17:29 We was in the hood, of course.

1:17:30 Mm-hmm.

1:17:31 She was a nurse. She wasn't needing anything necessarily. Yeah. We were good.

1:17:35 But my mom's never believed I was winning talent shows and rapping.

1:17:40 Right. You just want to run the streets. You just want to.

1:17:42 I'm like, no, mom.

1:17:44 I'm dope, nigga. Tiny T. Names bring bells in the streets. Tiny T. Tiny T. That's what we had on in a new style. This was how it was. Tiny T. Yeah. Tiny T. Treachery bring bells in the streets. No, you ain't. You just want to hang out.

1:17:56 So.

1:17:59 When it came.

1:18:01 To me, in that hip-hop, you know, her story was more, I got thrown out because, nigga, you ain't going to listen to nothing.

1:18:11 So I was living in a park.

1:18:13 When you get homeless, like, kids, watch when you say shit to your parents and they.

1:18:18 Say, get the fuck out. And you really got to get the fuck out. Nigga, I was walking down that block like, where the fuck am I going?

1:18:29 And I had a 25 automatic and I had three clips. So I went to Raleigh Park in East Orange, up the hill, knew my family from Arlington there. So I was able, got a pass to hustle in the park, the graveyard shit.

1:18:48 I was the only one in it. I ain't had nowhere to go. I slept in the park, so I kept it moving at night. Okay.

1:18:55 And so with every clip I re-upped and anything else, until I could start paying the homies, where I could wash clothes here and bow, change when they moms at work, then I'm back out. Because I never wanted to be a burden or none of that. But that was the ghetto bastard. Didn't know my father when I did meet him.

1:19:12 He told motherfuckers he'd been from the ghetto.

1:19:15 Don't come to the ghetto because you wouldn't understand what it's like, motherfuckers. So, motherfucker, never knew my dad, motherfucker, the fag came. My mother ended up meeting my father, seeing my father somewhere when I was 12 years old.

1:19:28 She come home, was like, I seen your father today. You want to meet him? Wow, that's crazy.

1:19:36 I'm like, yeah, my mother from Newark. She know him, like, yeah. I ended up he had moved back to Jersey where we from and live right around the corner from us. Not even known about. So a couple of months he worked at a mechanic spot in North. I was go back and forth, see him, chop it up. His house around the corner. We'll see him now again. But Father's Day or something was coming or Christmas or something. But right across the street from the projects is the supermarket.

1:20:07 So I was just out there carrying bags, everything else, trying to get us some money to get him something for the holiday. So I got him a silk tie. So when I wrapped it up or anything else, I go around the corner, it was him and his roommate. So I go and knock on the door. I'm like, yeah, Kenny here?

1:20:24 He was like, Kenny? Kenny moved out of Montfagor. Yeah.

1:20:32 So I'm walking back around the corner with this motherfucking tie. I throw this tie on the ground and walk. I turn into a savage.

1:20:44 So that's the ghetto bastard. Yeah. That's from Tiny T to Trigger. Trigger Trench. Did y'all reconnect after he left? Yeah, and a piece of shit left again.

1:20:57 We gotta get that silver tie back. Man, fuck that time.

1:21:04 We got to get back. Fuck that.

1:21:06 Now, look, me and my wife, it was a reality show called Couples Therapy. So, you know, hey, relationship got this, that, and the other. She's like, hey, maybe we should do therapy. I'm like, maybe you.

1:21:19 Should go to therapy, nigga.

1:21:21 Nigga, maybe half of what we got to pay for me going with y'all. You know, just being stupid and ignorant. So God, greatest God ever said, opportunity come up where there's like a couple therapy has a reality show they want to see if y'all are going to be on it. I'm like, a reality show with a therapist that, are they paying us? I'm in. So we go and do that, anything else. So through the therapy, they asked me, by all certain things I heard you, I think a lot of your anger issues maybe come from you not knowing your father and boom, boom, boom. It's just like, would you like to talk to your father? I'm like, this nigga left twice, bro. They was like, no, we can find him.

1:22:00 Hmm.

1:22:02 So they had, they probably invested, come bring my father out to Cali for the reality show. Wow. So we shed tears, all the rest of this shit, blah, blah. Like, we going to mend the relationship and then get back in this, this motherfucker is just like, no effort to get back. Well, I can't, I got to go.

1:22:25 I'm like, all right.

1:22:28 It just made me like, with my kids, They never going to go through that.

1:22:35 Ever. Until you have kids.

1:22:40 You have disgruntled baby mamas that don't let you see your kids. Have you their whole life paid child support and keep going back to court for more, but you can't see your kids.

1:22:57 You understand? So I'm a ghetto.

1:23:01 bastard of a groaner bastard trying to not be seen as a bastard.

1:23:15 But you know my medicine? Hip-hop. It's the best medicine in the world.

1:23:24 Going rocking, seeing people love you. Coming home, my wife, my ride or die, my body, like, you know what I mean? Like, just to have that peace of mind and going out, having your crew with you, that, you know what I mean? It ain't no bad energy. Because we did that even with Naughty, too. For a long time, I had a separate dressing room. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, for the bag and the sake of the brand. Yeah.

1:23:52 Yeah.

1:23:53 But you really, to maintain that hip-hop found in you, the one thing that kill us and none of us look at before anything is that fucking stress. That shit make you look older, feel older, feel down, feel fucked up, feel like you can't make it, boom. You got to tell yourself you the shit. Not on an egomaniac type thing, but just to keep functioning in this crazy-ass fucking world.

1:24:17 That's true.

1:24:18 But with that being said, going back to what I was telling you about you guys being professionals, you guys were hella humble, which was also surprising.

1:24:25 Because you guys were already huge at that time when I met y'all. A lot of shit, like, say if I go to a big event, a red carpet, da-da-da, boom, take a hit. Who list you on? Da-da-da-da, boom, boom.

1:24:40 By the time they turn back around, I'm gone.

1:24:43 You feel what I'm saying?

1:24:44 Like, I'm not even... I'm not a press whore. I'm not giving a fuck about this situation. If I got to go through a conflict to do just the maturity of learning how to, that's not where I need to be. That's not where I need to be going. It's God telling me, get out of here. Get with a whole different...

1:25:02 If they don't know you're coming, don't go.

1:25:03 Right. Go where you're celebrated, not where you're tolerated.

1:25:06 Breaking news, real nigga alert.

1:25:10 So, um... Do you still got the dispensary with iced tea? No, no, that shut down. Oh, what happened? I mean, it was a lot of ice put up.

1:25:18 Okay.

1:25:19 A mil or more. And it wasn't enough foot traffic.

1:25:23 And where they gave the license, it was an industrial area where it was like seven different dispensaries.

1:25:31 The only one you could get. Oh, wow.

1:25:34 One of our neighbors was a federal judge that had a dispensary. You had boom, boom, boom. But the main thing is that you have so many.

1:25:42 It's like you ain't going to have five trap houses on one street.

1:25:45 Right.

1:25:46 And everybody's going to... This is in Jersey City?

1:25:49 Yeah. Yep.

1:25:50 Totally, yeah.

1:25:51 Yep.

1:25:52 Medicine woman, but, you know, it was a venture.

1:25:55 I'd rather try 50 things and 10 work out.

1:25:59 Yeah. I done did my business. I'm going to hustle.

1:26:02 I'm not waiting for, like, okay, this look like it's going to be good, and my hustle stops.

1:26:07 Right. I'm going to see bad. And if this stops... What I'm going to do, I play like an athlete. If I get injured, what do I got to fall back on? Right. A whole lot of investments and great deals through the year, and boom. And you promote in boxing, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:26:26 Shout out to Damon Feldman, my partner in this. He's the mastermind on it. It's celebrity boxing and smack boxing. Celebrity boxing, let me get the whole thing down.

1:26:37 Okay, yeah.

1:26:37 So I can see what the situation is. Yeah, okay, so November 20th for one, this month is going to be analog.

1:26:49 Digital, my friend. This shit works. I'm analog. God damn it.

1:26:53 November 20th, 2026, Justina Valentine, of course, Chris Sean, Holy Hands, The Rock, and myself will be hosting the Smack Fighting Championship.

1:27:05 Okay. Over here at the Harris Philadelphia Events Center. Harrisburg?

1:27:11 Yeah, it's the casino. Harris Philadelphia Events Center. And this guy Damon is amazing. First is the celebrity boxer. Now he has a glove.

1:27:24 Now, you know how you've seen smack boxing where somebody just stand there and get smacked? Yeah. That's not what we do. You in the ring.

1:27:31 Three one-minute rounds. of smacking the shit out of somebody.

1:27:37 Now, hold on. Like I said, it's not... Hold on. Y'all liked it.

1:27:41 Can somebody show us? No, no, no. We're going to give you... You can pull up on IG at Smike... At Smack Fightin' Championships. At Real Damon Feldman. At Celebrity Boxing.

1:27:55 Numer one. X Rumbles.

1:27:57 But yeah, you're not just standing against Smack. You are actually going. One thing you can't do.

1:28:02 Oh, so you can cover up? Yeah, you can cover up. You can body shop. Yeah, you really fighting, but you Smack. Oh, so it's slap boxing. It's slap boxing, but it's called Smack boxing. Okay. You can't bow. No point. You can't backhand.

1:28:17 All of this. All of this. All of this. You could do all block, boom, boom, boom. Smack fighting championships.

1:28:26 One minute rounds. Three one minute rounds sanctioned.

1:28:30 It's a new sport.

1:28:32 Damon Feldman put that down. That sounds interesting as hell.

1:28:35 Is it?

1:28:36 Is it?

1:28:36 And the last one was last month. And we do one slap boxing fight, one regular boxing. One slap.

1:28:47 So, Christiane, you know, she... She did a thing. She got hands. At our last one, then her next one after that was pro. Oh, that was y'all? What we do is amateur. I didn't know that. Yeah. So, you know, I'm the Punani Don King. Y'all like that? Like that segue?

1:29:07 I wasn't ready.

1:29:08 I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready.

1:29:10 I wasn't ready.

1:29:12 Yeah, so we always switch off and anything else, hip hop, bringing it to the ring and having fun with it.

1:29:21 And these real live fighters, it ain't like we had Krip Mac. He fought Baby Jellybean, Jellybean's son. We had Kimbo Slice Jr. Oh, wow.

1:29:32 He fought Bao. Yeah, so it's real fighters. Don't think like... But you can sign up. You can hit up Smack Fighting Championship with two. Get up in there with a rifle. Sonny, you ready? What's your dream fight? Your dream fight. My dream fight for.

1:29:50 Yeah, like to have on.

1:29:51 Oh, to have on? I don't know.

1:29:53 Oh.

1:29:55 I don't know the dream one.

1:29:56 I know even they were asking about the celebrity fight. A lot of these celebrities pop a lot of shit.

1:30:01 But they don't want to get in the ring.

1:30:03 These smack boxers and all that, these motherfuckers are real. The only one celebrity always call up, give me a.

1:30:11 Fight, Peter Gunz. And Peter Gunn. Peter Gunn. Peter Gunn said he's doing pull-ups. Yo, Trash, give me a fight, yo. Who you want to fight?

1:30:23 He give me nays, too. They don't want no more guns. No, an ultimate one would be anybody out there that's out there.

1:30:36 Drilling, and got a beef like that on the streets and it be like, we could squash it and get in the ring.

1:30:43 Oh, I get what you're saying. You feel what I'm saying? Like, would y'all be able to fight it out and it's over? Boom. You know what I mean? Street beef.

1:30:51 Yeah.

1:30:52 Like, boom.

1:30:53 That'd be my ultimate, like, somebody to say, yo, me and him was going to kill each other.

1:30:58 We did that. Now we good.

1:30:59 You know what I mean? Smack or regular boxing. Celebrity boxing.

1:31:04 Because these are influencers. We got an influencer tonight. They celebrities.

1:31:07 Right.

1:31:08 Jack Doherty. He wild, too.

1:31:11 Oh. Because I just seen this.

1:31:13 She's an influencer. And she hurt my feelings. Who?

1:31:16 Um. She jumped on the bike during the marathon.

1:31:25 You want to see her fight somebody, you saying?

1:31:26 That is the most disrespectful.

1:31:28 As a runner?

1:31:28 Yeah. See, you're a runner. As a runner, you know what I'm saying? As a runner, I almost cried. Like, I just want her to fight somebody. That's fucked up. Listen, so she got the.

1:31:41 Best time, right?

1:31:42 That's fucked up.

1:31:42 Here I am struggling. I did a New York City Marathon. I'm doing a New York City Marathon this year again.

1:31:47 Let's clap it up. You know what I'm saying?

1:31:49 And here I am doing my struggle miles. And here she is.

1:31:54 They caught her on a bike, slime. I ain't even thinking no shit like that. That's why I'm mad, too. Because it's like, damn, you could cheat? And I didn't even think to cheat.

1:32:02 No, she didn't. She didn't. She got on a bike. She didn't get punished? Oh, they killing her. Oh, right. They killing her. You said, like, she got away with it. But I... She didn't get away with it.

1:32:13 Okay, okay. No, no, no.

1:32:14 They disqualified her.

1:32:15 Yes.

1:32:16 But hey, what I'm saying, like, that's a person, like, I would, like, I would, like, her... To go through some type of... Pay the water bill?

1:32:25 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up?

1:32:31 This Trigger Tretch. What's poppin' with your options, yo? FYI, that's for your information. Let me tell you about some things that's going on. Y'all said anything with music, you ain't heard about the new music. I put out a free mixtape, 15 songs called Lyrical Miracles.

1:32:49 At Tretch Tribe. Go through YouTube, Facebook, everywhere else. Put at Tretch Tribe. You get free 15 songs. Lyrical Miracle Mistake.

1:32:57 Now, let me tell you what's coming now that y'all might have to pay a little something for a couple of dollars. I'm doing a mixtape with a great DJ producer that's doing it with a gang of legendary hip-hop artists. And I was on that list. And His name is DJ Who Kid. I have a version of what he's doing for the project.

1:33:26 Look out for that. Follow me at Tretch Tribe.

1:33:30 And even if you don't follow me on IG at Tretch Tribe, check out all the shit that you want to know and I'll put it out.

1:33:36 Breaking news. Real homie alert.

1:33:41 So, yeah, he can smoke. Oh, no, no, no, I got you. You got an ashtray right there.

1:33:48 That's how I know the glasses ain't prescription.

1:33:51 You got an ashtray right there.

1:33:55 Yeah, right there, right there.

1:33:58 So, I know this is like a cliche question to ask. And I know we kind of covered this question a little bit. But did you ever think hip-hop would make it this far?

1:34:11 Never, never.

1:34:12 I knew after being a witness to the 70s, the 80s, going uptown Harlem to pick up.

1:34:25 The Moe D and Busy B battles, all of that, to see the culture change.

1:34:33 Like I said, when I seen artists from the 70s and in the 80s, how it just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. I always get on like I'll be texting to be certain on rock and roll motherfuckers or whatever else like hip hop.

1:34:45 Yeah, that ain't no real music. Ain't none.

1:34:48 Fuck y'all. Fuck all that shit. Like word up. I said it at one time. It was like, what would you be doing if it wasn't for hip hop? I said, I'll probably be in your house tying up your kids. Word.

1:35:01 Damn.

1:35:02 Going for your vote and you're safe. We talk about the East Coast, West Coast. How many artists collab.

1:35:10 With each other?

1:35:11 Would have never known each other for hip-hop, boom, but just in the streets. No dreams, no nothing, looking forward to anything. They should be praising hip-hop so fucking much. on especially all of the entrepreneurs that came out of it. How many underprivileged families, black, white, Hispanic, any nationalities.

1:35:33 That hip hop is they everything.

1:35:36 And if they didn't have a job, wasn't supplying no jobs or nothing for them to do.

1:35:41 And it would have been.

1:35:41 Martial law all across this fucking country. And the world would have been in a different place. Like, without so many people coming to this culture and loving it and making careers out of it, in front of and behind the cameras.

1:35:57 Look at my guys. That's real.

1:36:00 We had, like, I believe we had one of the last Naughty by Nature interviews, and we had one of the last DMX interviews, and we.

1:36:08 Had one of the last, I believe, it was Migos, not Migos, right? Take Off. Yeah.

1:36:16 Interviews, but one of the things that DMX said that was crazy to us, he said he doesn't diss whack rappers no more.

1:36:24 And I was like, yeah, why? I was like, what do you mean by that?

1:36:27 He said, because even a whack rapper can supply 16 different families. And I had to think about that. He can support 16 different families. 16 different people who could live off of that one rapper.

1:36:38 So he doesn't want to.

1:36:40 And I thought that was the most honorable because it's true.

1:36:44 Hip-hop really saved people's lives. It saved everyone's lives.

1:36:48 Hip-hop is one of the most creative art forms as far as music and recording is concerned because there's no song out there outside of hip-hop, any music genre, where you need a fresh 16.

1:37:04 Bars or 12 bars.

1:37:06 Or eight bars, whatever it is now, three different ones in one fucking song to make a complete song when any other genre is basically singing the same.

1:37:15 Verse through the whole song with a riff.

1:37:17 Don't ever tell me about the talent involved in making hip hop and hip hop is not a music form.

1:37:24 Fuck you.

1:37:26 And not even financially, I think therapeutically, like how many people use hip-hop has a voice for themselves therapeutically to get through things. Around the world, you see all these impoverished countries, but they're thriving hip-hop communities there.

1:37:41 People tell me that about Ghetto Basta because, you know, for the radio, we had to switch the title to Everything's Gonna Be Alright.

1:37:46 Right.

1:37:47 And that was the actual chorus... And the hook.

1:37:52 So many people say that song got me through so much because I'm telling a story, but the hook, they always say talking into existence.

1:38:00 Everything's going to be all right.

1:38:02 No matter how hurt I was in that record, my mom threw me out, my father wasn't there, I'm going through this, I'm selling drugs, I'm not where I want to be, I know I'm something else. I'm going to pray on it and everything's going to be all right.

1:38:17 Yeah, man. I love that flower.

1:38:22 We got to give you your flowers. That's what our show is about. We got your flowers.

1:38:27 Yeah, but we got alumni flowers now. Oh, shit.

1:38:31 A tycoon, you know what I'm saying?

1:38:38 Yeah.

1:38:38 I ain't going to lie. I'll take a shot for that. I'll take a shot for that. I'll take two shots.

1:38:44 Yo, this down in my man cave at the house. I got the other one, you know, the rectangle, you know.

1:38:50 Yes, yes. It's there.

1:38:52 So, bouncing around a little bit. You did promote your daughter's fight, though, right? Didn't your daughter have a fight?

1:39:01 Who had a fight? Whoa, whoa, whoa. There was no fight? Whoa, whoa, whoa. All right, yeah. Okay. Now, okay. That was a great question as well. All right.

1:39:13 My daughter had a fight. With a professional Olympic winning medalist.

1:39:20 Okay. A medal winning Olympic professional. Professional boxer?

1:39:26 Yeah.

1:39:26 And she got knocked out. Okay.

1:39:28 No.

1:39:28 Yeah. So this happened like overseas. Okay.

1:39:32 Because they wouldn't sanction a tight fight like that over here. So I had a big problem with those in her camp or whatever else.

1:39:39 Oh, her camp negotiated the deal. Yeah. Not sugar trash.

1:39:43 No.

1:39:43 No.

1:39:44 Never. Yeah. Okay. Um, The first guy that called me after the fight and said, is your daughter all right?

1:40:00 Was Damon Feldman. Okay. From this.

1:40:04 Now, I've known him for a couple of years. He wanted me to get involved in all of this before. I'm like that. Bye, bye, bye.

1:40:12 Celebrity boxer? Because my.

1:40:15 daughter's fiance was into those fights or whatever else. So I met him there. So from then he always wanted me to get involved or myself, celebrity fight. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm a dirty fighter.

1:40:28 You want me in the ring. I'm bringing shit. So a couple of years went past and then my daughter had this fight.

1:40:40 And he called me. He was like, I'm like, yo, something.

1:40:43 For a reason. You called me. I'm like, what you doing now? He was like, yo, so I'm doing a celebrity box.

1:40:50 I would love for you to come down, partner up with me, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, all right, let's have that talk again. So we started with the celebrity fights. We're setting them all up, everything else. A lot of, well, the majority of the celebrities, Peter Gunn's always been there, but just was like, no. The smack fighting came, and that's like, A whole nother realm. Now, we have the X Rumbles, amateur fights, boxing, and smack boxing all in one now. Crazy.

1:41:26 And where do you have to film this at? At the casino. Oh, okay. In America. In America. Yeah.

1:41:31 Okay.

1:41:32 Yo, I told you Pennsylvania. You said America? No, I'm just saying because you said your daughter had to fight in overseas.

1:41:37 No, she had to oversee.

1:41:38 That's why you know I had shit to do with it. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. That's why I'm going to kiss her. Yeah, why?

1:41:43 That's like going over there. You can go overseas and get a lot of different things that the states don't.

1:41:47 Okay, I get it. This, his.

1:41:52 All-sanctioned fights, he's not letting no pros fight no amateurs. Why? Because Sean was an amateur when she fought and won the X Rumble belt. Her first pro fight, she went elsewhere to do that. But she still has a great relationship with us because she's hosting with us. So her shit is sanctioned as a real fight, like a real title fight?

1:42:13 Now she's pro. She's pro now. Ours is all amateurs. Okay. But it's to open the door so they can go pro. He's saying they will never have a pro versus an amateur.

1:42:22 None of our amateurs. It'll never happen. Like what happened, unfortunately, to my daughter. And she's OK, your daughter?

1:42:29 Yeah, she's OK.

1:42:30 She's training to fight and do. But it's like you have a right team around you. You ain't going out there fight. You know, you look at one of the greatest fighters of our time ever.

1:42:41 My bro, Mike Tyson. Look at him. Right. Look at him when he was 14, 15. He was fighting amateurs.

1:42:49 Even though he was slaying them and he was trained for them, Custa didn't have him fighting no pro motherfuckers. Yo, you build up your record by fighting those who are not professional like you aren't professional. That's just smart business. And somebody really, what was it, a bag? I found it's not even a bag. It's like for the press and all that.

1:43:12 Right, right.

1:43:13 Man, you got to, this here, what we doing is so in the lane. Damon is at the, he's sitting watching. If it goes too far and the refs don't say something, like, he'd be like, yo, man.

1:43:26 Give him 30. Yo, you better be ready to stop this fight.

1:43:31 Right.

1:43:31 Like, the gloves. Right. They're the heaviest they can be for amateurs. Okay.

1:43:37 Because, you know, the thinner the glove, the lighter the glove, the harder to hit everything else.

1:43:40 Yo, we ain't doing that. Nobody get hurt.

1:43:44 Chris Young, when she knocked her out, her opponent, with them gloves, she.

1:43:48 Knocked her out.

1:43:50 I seen Chris Young fight in the streets. That's what I believed in her. She was incompetent.

1:43:55 And she's trained now.

1:43:58 As far as a fighter not a street fighter a real fighter on the streets or UFC.

1:44:04 Fighter on the streets MMA or fuck you up play around oh yeah yeah facts.

1:44:15 That was the other thing I got two more shots I'm taking them yeah oh you're the guy we gotta.

1:44:22 Talk about your clothing line okay yeah yeah We doing some things, y'all. I got this thing, Tretch Tribe.

1:44:29 Yes.

1:44:30 That's your name on the gram, too, right? Yeah, so... Go to my IG. It's all coming.

1:44:36 Like, I wanted to bring some stuff down, but they at the print shop.

1:44:39 Don't worry about it. It's on the screens.

1:44:41 But, yeah, Tresh Tribe is going to have his own website, all that. Merchandise with all that. Some naughty native entertainment stuff that I'm doing. You know, we the masses, we're going to come out with clothing, stickers, boxes, bed sheets.

1:44:56 You know how we did.

1:44:57 Right.

1:44:57 Yeah, y'all started that whole movement. No, we didn't. No?

1:45:02 No.

1:45:03 Let me tell you where. Where y'all got it from? Yes.

1:45:06 Yeah.

1:45:07 Definitely. See, a lot of motherfuckers go out and just be like, yeah, we did this, did this, did this, did this. Fuck that. Nope. In the 80s, Public Enemy had on their fucking CDs a sleeve that popped out with Public Enemy gear. They had Mad Mercy. You're right. I didn't know that. Canvass won. But they didn't have the best sheets. No, no, no. They showed us you can do this. Right. Oh, no.

1:45:38 Hold on.

1:45:39 I must have had bootleg Public Enemy albums. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Bootleg? It's not bootleg. We had the official. You had the bootleg. That's what I said. I must have had bootleg.

1:45:47 I got arrested over the label telling me I couldn't do it.

1:45:50 Remember the Snakes and Rats?

1:45:53 That was over there because they snaked us and said we couldn't do it and put Tommy Gear in the sleeve of our album covers. Then I went to the label with them Snakes and Rats. and threw them all over the office. He told us that story.

1:46:06 Yeah, so that's where that came from. And then the next print-ups.

1:46:10 Of our shit, they had our gear in there with their gear, too. But we got that, Public Enemy showed us, like, ooh.

1:46:18 No, you're right.

1:46:19 Public Enemy was on that for sure. That logo was iconic everywhere.

1:46:23 And then everybody had, like, KRS-One. They had the Dapper Dan BDP.

1:46:28 We liked it. So we had the new style shit.

1:46:30 We had our own little other versions and then our Gucci suits and everything else.

1:46:36 And then we were going out to Queens, Shirt Kings. Shirt Kings, yeah. Rest in peace, Sherkings. Rest in peace. Coliseum. Yeah. Oh, my God. And I went there the other day. Who was with me?

1:46:50 I went there the other day. The block was dead.

1:46:52 I was so mad. I know. I was so mad. I was like, holy shit. Did you leave flowers?

1:46:57 I did not, but I left flowers in my heart.

1:47:02 This guy is so caring. I was in my heart. This dog is so caring. I know him from left, right. He wasn't always like this.

1:47:08 You know why?

1:47:10 I actually wasn't prepared for what I saw. It was so non-active. First off, it's.

1:47:16 Being gentrified around the block. But the blocks that.

1:47:20 I hung with, it's like dying. But the blocks around the corner, they're looking fucking gorgeous.

1:47:26 But it's like, I walked in and I was like, Coliseum.

1:47:30 Gone.

1:47:30 Gone.

1:47:31 Then I walked in, because they hired me for Foot Locker.

1:47:34 So then I walked to Foot Locker and I realized I.

1:47:36 Would never do this. Like, in real life. Like, I would always go to the Coliseum to buy a sneaker.

1:47:42 Oh, right.

1:47:42 I would like.

1:47:43 But, I mean, Foot Locker actually hired me, so it was okay. But I was just looking at the block and I was just like, damn.

1:47:49 Like, certain things get gentrified. Like, I just want to ask you.

1:47:52 Like, one of the craziest places in Jersey was Irvington, New Jersey. What do you think is getting more gentrified?

1:48:02 Irvington, Newark... Y'all say narc.

1:48:08 Narc.

1:48:08 Narc, yeah. I don't know.

1:48:10 I've been trying to say it. Yeah, you said you weren't. You said it like a foreigner. Like a foreigner.

1:48:17 Okay.

1:48:17 What do you think will get gentrified more at first? Irvington or the Bricks?

1:48:23 I'll say the Bricks. The Bricks, Newark. North, definitely.

1:48:27 Yeah?

1:48:28 North.

1:48:28 You got the Prudential Center down there. And you got the airport. You got condos they building up there.

1:48:34 The backside of North is Harrison, right there where the Red Bull Arena is and all the rest of that.

1:48:39 All them condos, all that.

1:48:40 North is definitely going to build up because they want it to be a tourist attraction to people.

1:48:46 And they got the airport. And they got the airport right there.

1:48:48 Yeah.

1:48:48 Don't talk about our airport.

1:48:50 That's why I was on the airport. Hold on, let me not say that because I don't want people flying in.

1:48:53 I mean, for a minute, it was a little fucked up for a minute.

1:48:56 What? Newark? Yeah. Wait, not the airport. They started fixing it. No, they started fixing it up. They got a whole new terminal. That's what I just said. Yeah. Now we sexy. Yeah. Watch your mouth. Before, it was a little fucked up. Say no. Right. Say no. Don't say Newark.

1:49:12 I'm going to say the bricks because I'm going to say the bricks because that's safer for me.

1:49:16 You know what I mean? That's good. I'm dyslexic. You know what I'm saying?

1:49:19 Excuse me.

1:49:22 But that's a good segue. Your financial literacy program. Yes.

1:49:26 Now, the Leo Foundation, Leonidas Foundation, my son, he was playing football.

1:49:33 We had him in a private school down in Bosco. So while it was up there. Your son beat up your daughter's boyfriends?

1:49:41 That guy?

1:49:41 Because I heard you talk about your son that he used to beat up your daughter's boyfriends.

1:49:46 Oh, yeah. No, that's the oldest one. My youngest son. Okay, my bad.

1:49:51 All right. So he plays football and stuff. So when we were up there, where we lived in Edgewater in Jersey, well, down the block from there, next door was a restaurant, Waterside.

1:50:02 Fran and her husband, Teddy.

1:50:05 Had a foundation because in the school that my son went to, their son had.

1:50:09 Died in a car accident. God bless.

1:50:12 So they started the Leonidas Foundation. Before he died, we used to tell him he had an old soul.

1:50:18 He loved hip-hop. A white boy.

1:50:20 You know what I mean? Just loving it. So when they started the foundation, they said, Leo loved everybody.

1:50:30 Our son, boom.

1:50:31 They wanted to start their financial literacy like in a public school.

1:50:35 It was in... These are privileged kids up here. They have it.

1:50:39 Why can't different schools all around have it? So we took our first public school, Westside High School in Newark, New Jersey, for financial literacy. So they go on trips to D.C. They go to businesses. They go to FedEx to see how it works, how it was done.

1:50:58 It shows them.

1:50:59 When you get money, what to invest in, how to save, even though you got bills to pay, like stuff we never had. I know as a hip hop artist, I know how much money I fucked up. You know what I mean? Nigga, like, nigga, what do you mean I got a million dollars?

1:51:18 What do you mean?

1:51:19 So, you know, you wasn't taught, you just taught hip hop what you should do. Street what you should do. Get them gold, get them diamonds, get them cars and everything else. And you're not looking at real estate and investing in stocks and blah, blah, blah. So with this, it shows you beforehand, you don't have to go to college and learn it. You learn it in a high school now.

1:51:41 That's fire.

1:51:41 So they're from Greece.

1:51:44 So we have a school there that's opening. In Greece?

1:51:48 Yeah.

1:51:48 Oh, wow.

1:51:49 We've been talking to New York City's controllers for the state even of New York.

1:51:54 For the program to go straight.

1:51:56 Through public schools and if the private schools want to get it.

1:52:00 But when we came up, I seen.

1:52:04 We used to have like Flip City, Boy Scout, Girl Scouts, all of the football teams and baseball teams. And it was flourishing all over. The kids, we weren't in the streets. The kids ain't got, before you start blaming, why is that? Yo, what have we left them? What is there for them to do?

1:52:24 Right.

1:52:25 When they walk out of the house, they seeing gangbangers, hustlers, boom, bow.

1:52:31 It ain't like, oh, no, I got something to do after school or they not going to school. You want to give them a reason to go to school to feel like it's something that they really could get.

1:52:40 Oh, I can go to college. I can get something by being smart. You know what I mean?

1:52:46 I can learn how to do my money when I get money. So the Leonidas Foundation. We got that popping off real hard. Shout out to Principal Akbar. What's up, all our students down there?

1:52:58 Love y'all. I'm not sure if.

1:53:05 This was, if Joe Clark was a fake figure, but where was Eastside High at?

1:53:09 That's Patterson. That's Patterson? That's what I think. Paul's sister went there. I filmed a video there. You filmed a video and thought it was fake? I definitely did. You will get out of this school.

1:53:22 Expeditiously if you really think you smoke crack, don't you think?

1:53:26 It's a joke. No, you heard me. Paul's sister went to the school. Yeah, I filmed. You remember the live video that me and Paul filmed at?

1:53:35 Yeah.

1:53:35 Yeah, that's there.

1:53:36 Yeah, that's there.

1:53:38 She was there with the principal. I ain't going that far. No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. So Joe Clark is a real dude. Yeah. That's a real character. Yes. Yes. Yes. We got to bring Joe Clark back. You should. Yes. We need more Joe Clarks in the world. We need more Joe Clarks in the goddamn world. The Joe Clark types. Yes, yes.

1:53:55 cleaned that whole school up, all that. Boom.

1:53:58 He got locked up because he wasn't supposed to have chains on the doors.

1:54:01 Right, because it was a fire hazard. Yeah, fire hazard. He was like, I don't care. Lock me up. Right.

1:54:06 Yeah.

1:54:07 He held it down.

1:54:08 Yep.

1:54:09 God damn it. Jurors. Yes, yes, yes. P-Town.

1:54:15 Now, let me ask you this because I had to, I was Googling, Googling, Googling.

1:54:20 What is Ill Town Slugger? That's the teddy bear shit. Wait, what? The teddy bear. That's their thing. Oh, okay. My bad. All right. So we can get off of that. But you was in a health class in high school? Why that shit sound amazing to you? No, because... He's like, you healthy? Is there a health class in your high school? No, there's not. I never went to high school.

1:54:47 Oh, you never went to high school? Yeah. But.

1:54:52 Okay. I got two more shots. So, we celebrating you today, Trash. My guys. Cheers, cheers. We celebrating you. Cheers.

1:55:05 Real quick, fun fact, though, and I think I mentioned it with you before, but I just want to mention it again. I came out in my first cameo in any music video was the craziest remix. I think you said Florida or Miami?

1:55:18 We said Miami.

1:55:19 And they got on us and shit because the director put Broward something.

1:55:24 Shits on the place. Yeah, we got them set out here.

1:55:26 I understand. Both of us.

1:55:27 But the cameo was me. Wait, what did they say? No, it's just... He's going, is this a secret? What did they say?

1:55:34 Broward what?

1:55:35 No, he's just saying that they put a plate... Miami is not Broward. That's right. That's why I'm asking.

1:55:40 They showed a plate in a shot, but the other shot was us in a dirt road.

1:55:46 We were in front of my car, actually. So they were like, that nigga ain't from Broward. No, no, no. Actually, we shot it in Kendall.

1:55:54 Oh, they definitely was eating. That's not Broward.

1:55:57 Hold on. No, no, no. They didn't say Broward. He said Broward. Hold the fuck up. Yeah, because I know Broward. And I know Dane now. I know the difference. I live out here.

1:56:06 F-ing was in the fucking crazy.

1:56:10 Hold up. That's it. It's classic.

1:56:13 And my company name is Crazy Hood, so crazy is perfect.

1:56:16 Yeah.

1:56:18 I knew he was related to you light-skinned motherfuckers.

1:56:23 Got a lot of licensed relatives. Nah, that's dope.

1:56:26 That's dope. Pull up Naughty by Nature craziest remix. The remix video was 2-1.

1:56:34 Wow. It's not the easiest video to find, though. Niggas was super hot. Nigga, we had, like, remix videos. Hey, fuck that. Yeah, that shit was dope. You gotta hear what he just said. We had remix videos. Videos. You understand? That was a different time. I just want to make some noise for the budget. Yeah. Here's something I didn't ask. Mm-hmm.

1:56:55 And this is a famous question on here.

1:56:57 Mm-hmm.

1:56:58 Independent or major? Uh, for what? Movies? No, major.

1:57:04 Major, major.

1:57:05 All right, thank you. Major, major, major, major, major, major, major.

1:57:10 And doing it independent, you're going to end up having to have major pockets. Yeah. And it's like, it's nothing to get with somebody that got major distribution, label, um, Certain things can go from not just domestic but international.

1:57:28 You know what I mean?

1:57:28 You have a machine working for you. It's never like you got to be like, well, the budget ran out for this.

1:57:33 Right. Your advance to anything you get has nothing to do with whatever else.

1:57:38 Right. You know. And if you have a major, they're going to make sure that stamp. But they're not letting everybody in. It's a secret society.

1:57:47 This is a different time, too. You know?

1:57:49 And you're giving them a cut there. If you're doing it independent, you're going to get more of the bigger bag and everything else. But everybody doesn't make it by going that route. And one thing with my YNs and all y'all in my new generation, I'm going to tell y'all how to stay out there. Do what you're doing.

1:58:11 You're doing an independent big and anything else. Don't try to just overcharge on your shows and anything else because them promoters, the word will get out and they'll never call you back.

1:58:21 You need them.

1:58:22 But always do what you do stuff here and there and they always hit you. You'll be in a whole lane of your own. Because that's what's messing up a lot.

1:58:30 Like, they.

1:58:31 International money and stuff. They just charging too much. Because people got to pay for them to get out there.

1:58:37 A lot of them go... Entourage is all that. They like... Like us. In the 90s, we got, like, three, four people. Bob, Bob. Bob, we got this. And we giving you a rate that fits the capacity of what you doing. You know? Stay in the lane. They. Our artists, we out there. Yeah.

1:58:58 A good manager's always going to ask the promoter, what's the capacity of the venue?

1:59:02 You have to. And that's how they give you the rate.

1:59:04 Yeah.

1:59:05 Yeah, but I will say this. While you're the hottest. You could be a little dickhead. No, if you got a hit. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:59:16 But you might be fucking up the bag in the future, though, if you're being a dickhead.

1:59:19 Hey, that's what life is. I mean, I'm just saying. Not really. I mean, it shouldn't be.

1:59:23 Listen, listen. Sometimes, like, listen. Listen, I'll tell you the truth. Listen, I'll tell you the truth. There's some artists that I can see, they got a year, period. They are not going to last, right? There's some artists that... You can just tell they are, like, damn near AI. They're making music.

1:59:46 Damn near AI. You know what I'm trying to say. Let me give you an example real quick. Go ahead.

1:59:52 Let me tell you.

1:59:53 For over eight years, I've been doing, like, all the solo.

1:59:57 Mine just shows everything else. So, when you work great with the promoters and the buyers, right, and your price, like, it comes.

2:00:05 The stuff, say, I do for, like, the NFL, NBA... baseball, anything, private gigs.

2:00:13 What I'm doing and charging for, like, 30 minutes is one price. Right.

2:00:19 An hour, more about, if I'm closing, it's a different price.

2:00:24 But what I'm doing, like, for a regular 20, 30-minute gig with the sports networks and all the halftimes and all, I'm getting the same money for two songs.

2:00:37 Not saying, like, oh, you want me.

2:00:41 Grammy Award winner, American Award winning, da-da-da-da-da, bubble accolades.

2:00:46 No, none of it was. I'm going to take it. A gang of people might not take it. No, you're right. You're a legend. You're an icon. And it's relationship building. And the word went around all the A by N there. You know what?

2:01:00 He doing it like we could really get. And they got them anthem, them stadium records. He's doing it for what he normally gets for 30 minutes. For two songs. And we got it. Private gigs come. We like, yo, you gave us this money.

2:01:16 And this extra and that. No, we only want three songs. That's beautiful. But you a legend. You a tycoon. You've been proven.

2:01:22 I'm talking about this little dude. This little dude, blue on white, blood holder. That he ain't got no talent. This nigga ain't going to last forever. Him being mad to the promoters, I understand that.

2:01:38 Him, like... He want to get it on now. Yeah, yeah.

2:01:40 Him, like, going to the promoters and being dickheads and saying... I don't want to say being a dickhead, but him saying, yo, man, I'm doing.

2:01:47 This for this.

2:01:47 Because it might not last me forever. Because he... Remember, you.

2:01:50 Said it earlier.

2:01:51 You said it earlier. But that's bad advice, man.

2:01:53 Huh?

2:01:54 That's bad advice. No, it's not. I'm going to tell you why.

2:01:57 Let me tell you why.

2:01:58 I can tell you the opposite.

2:01:59 Let me give you my perspective. You say he doesn't have talent. He might not last, but that person's trying. They want to make this a career, right?

2:02:06 Yes.

2:02:07 So they better build these relationships, and they might work with a small promoter, give them a fair rate, and that promoter might grow and grow and grow and take that person with them.

2:02:16 God bless you.

2:02:16 But if that artist don't grow, if that artist don't grow, it's done.

2:02:20 To have his back on one thing, guess what? Everything ain't for everybody.

2:02:25 Yeah. Everybody ain't even coming in this hip hop shit to be like, I'm going to be here 30 years later.

2:02:29 Yes. Exactly. Some people don't even give a fuck about the culture. They like right now.

2:02:32 So for what he's saying, he's like, yo, I'm going to get everything out of this hit I got right now and these hits.

2:02:38 Yes.

2:02:38 I'm going to charge them the max.

2:02:39 That's what I'm saying.

2:02:40 I'm going to tap out and I'm going to take my money and now I got my investment plans. Now, that's a brilliant one because a lot of people don't want to be an entertainer all their life. They came into the culture to get that, but they was dope, had hit records, had boom, cash out.

2:02:55 Yes. And that's a beautiful thing you could do as well. Cash out.

2:02:58 It doesn't sound like the character he's talking about, though.

2:03:01 You know what I'm saying? Let me tell you something. No one can't lie to yourself, right?

2:03:06 Right. You can't lie to yourself. You can lie to anybody else.

2:03:09 But if you can lie to yourself, you're a fucking dumb motherfucker, right? That means that you're convincing yourself to be told a lie from yourself. So what do you think about it? So what I'm saying is there's certain people who went and got on Fruity Loops.

2:03:24 Uh-huh. And they got lucky.

2:03:27 They put on Fruity Loops and Auto-Tune, and this is not them at all. This is a totally different person. And they got to know, I'm not that person.

2:03:36 Cash out why they think I'm that person. That is what I'm saying. Yeah, if you're that fake person all around, yeah.

2:03:44 I won't say fake got lucky. Some people got lucky. We would call them AI generated.

2:03:50 Okay, there you go.

2:03:51 But some people start learning how to make music after that. So those are the ones I say are... are the people that said, wait, and do what Trash is saying. But for the people that got.

2:04:02 Lucky and they know that that auto-tune voice is not them.

2:04:04 Some people can listen to what I say and take it some way, and some people could be like, that's for those that's trying to, and I'm going to cash out, and I'm going to try to take everything down. That's what I felt like he was saying. And that's smart, too, because if somebody be like, I'm going to get.

2:04:19 All this money that they're getting, I'm getting five, ten million. I could cash out on this hip-hop shit. I could leave it alone and invest in what I'm doing and my money.

2:04:27 Make money forever.

2:04:29 That's still a beautiful part of what you got from hip-hop. And you could tap out if you want. You ain't have to be at 30 Meet. I always wanted to be in there with everything else I was doing. Yes. As well in my- Because you're a hip hopper.

2:04:41 You're a hip hopper.

2:04:42 Yes.

2:04:42 I'm like truly, this is my love. Like Dolly Parton, rest in peace.

2:04:47 We would do this if we didn't get money.

2:04:48 Share.

2:04:49 We would do a version of it.

2:04:50 Like those, the Isley's, like certain people we see and tell, they go James Brown basically died on stage.

2:04:58 Like that's me. Right. I can't retire from this. Because you're true to this.

2:05:07 I just think the original person you described is not a person that cares about.

2:05:12 They're short-sighted. They're not thinking long-term. I think the part that you didn't focus on.

2:05:16 They might get a bunch of money and spend that bunch of money and then.

2:05:19 Not have to have a plan. I said have a good investment plan. I just don't see that person he's describing.

2:05:24 You got to remember the part that you didn't focus on. I said got lucky.

2:05:28 Like has right now. Haz is an engineer. Haz is an engineer.

2:05:32 Haz.

2:05:33 Haz right there. He's the engineer.

2:05:35 You think he likes everything he fucking records?

2:05:38 Damn, Haz, you don't like it?

2:05:39 Like, everything he records, he's probably pissed. But this one record... Did you just call him whack?

2:05:44 No, I'm saying everything that he records.

2:05:46 He's a producer-engineer. Not records, like, produced. Oh, I got it now. Not produced, but records. Like, he makes... No, no, no, no.

2:05:53 No, no, no.

2:05:53 He works... I like that. I like you trying to steal the audience. I like it.

2:05:58 But, like, what I'm saying is, like, when you go to a studio, like, right here.

2:06:02 Right.

2:06:03 These people have a choice. They can sit here and say, hey, man, we'll take these people, whoever's money. Or they can say, hey, man, I'm going to take the people's money that I like. No one's doing that. Right now, people are saying they have to pay their bills.

2:06:15 That's different, bro.

2:06:16 This is a studio.

2:06:16 No, let me finish it.

2:06:17 Let me finish it.

2:06:17 They take clients in.

2:06:18 So with that being said, some people get lucky. Some people come in and go, huh, but that better be. And surely got love for me.

2:06:29 And where we at?

2:06:37 And then you know what he said? You know what he said earlier? This is what you just said.

2:06:45 You just said, yo, don't question our genre of music when we're doing actually real music, formatting it.

2:06:51 Do you see what I just said?

2:06:52 I can repeat that four or five times. Yes, that's a hook. He got six bars.

2:06:58 Yeah.

2:06:58 Mr. Lee got two bars, eight bars.

2:07:00 We got eight bars.

2:07:02 And now we finished. And now this could actually be a hook. And what I'm saying is, I'm not Nori.

2:07:06 I'm not Nori. I'm that fake. I'm that fake guy.

2:07:12 I'm that fake guy right now right listen if i was that fake guy and i was to know i got lucky i just has played me a beat i mumbled some shit i put motherfucking treasure on it and the shit goes through the roof i i gotta look in the mirror and say to myself listen man i might not never get lucky again no guess what guess who you gotta thank for serving shit uh Say an artist that has, I always say consistency is the key and all that shit, right? And for our era, you're supposed to retire in hip-hop after you're 30 or some shit.

2:07:46 I don't believe that shit. You know what I'm just saying? Yeah. Like, they look at you like you ain't. Yeah, the ageism shit is fucked up. Nigga, like, you look at like like a, like a, my nigga from the Bay.

2:07:58 E-40?

2:07:58 Too short. Too shorty? E-42. But when he had.

2:08:01 Blow the whistle on him, hold on, when he put out like, I love them niggas in the outside.

2:08:04 When he had like, blow the whistle on him, when they was talking, nigga, you can't be this age and come out, yo, he 50 years old on stage blowing the whistle. Blow the whistle. Brand new hit. Yeah, that's right. God damn it. Too short, you crazy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He killing them, y'all.

2:08:21 And that nigga doing shows every weekend. Like, 40 doing shows every week.

2:08:24 Like, I love when our LL statements are out there doing our fucking thing.

2:08:28 And wasn't we talking about LL earlier? Yes. Now, Too Short is on Rock the Bells, right? Yes, right. Roxanne Shantae and Kool V. Hold on. Kool V is my international DJ. Okay, got that. You understand? Shout out to Kool V. Let him know after biz pass. I got you. Take a shot for Kool V. You understand?

2:08:45 Take a shot for Kool V, god damn it.

2:08:50 I'm telling you. The culture, what it does. I love the culture. What it brings, yo. But can I ask you a question? And you a question.

2:09:03 It's the same question. No, it's the same question.

2:09:06 Because I love the people that is real hip-hop, right?

2:09:11 I love the people that actually sacrifice it. But I can't knock.

2:09:20 If someone gets lucky and has a studio, if Mr. Lee, let's just say Mr.

2:09:25 Lee.

2:09:26 Mr. Lee, he can't even speak English. He speaks Linglish. What are you talking about?

2:09:33 He can't speak English.

2:09:35 Linglish. I understood everything you said. But let's suppose Mr. Lee right now, like Mr.

2:09:39 Lee goes in, has, we cause.

2:09:42 Him, and we all, not only him, we all know this motherfucker ain't never going to learn how to rap. He did a couple of words. He did, que lo que? He said perfect English. He did, que lo que?

2:09:58 That's the only thing he knows how to say in English.

2:10:00 He'll go on and say, que lo que?

2:10:02 And make some... He'll be like, que lo que? Takes that certain part, puts auto-tune on it. I jump on it, Tress jump on it, and this works. And this works. You're going to tell me.

2:10:12 Y'all can't jump on it and then ask the question.

2:10:14 No, no, no.

2:10:14 We're a part of the fuckery. It got to be him by himself. No, no, no. We're a part of the fuckery. We can take a part.

2:10:20 What?

2:10:20 Everybody?

2:10:21 How many people don't speak? This is what I'm saying.

2:10:22 We're a part of the fuckery. Okay.

2:10:24 And we're sitting around.

2:10:25 And as businessmen, you are a businessman at the end of the day. I'm a businessman. You are a businessman.

2:10:30 And at the end of the day, we sit around and we say, yo, we got a hit record on Mr.

2:10:34 Lee. We're going to say, we're not going to cash out now. This guy's going to be blown over in two weeks.

2:10:40 They're going to know he can't do shit.

2:10:43 That's the same. You said you're going to mill him in Italy, Mr. Lee.

2:10:45 I'm saying we got to pour Mr.

2:10:47 Lee in Italy.

2:10:49 We know that when they find out he can't speak direct.

2:10:53 English, he can't go on Good Morning America. Yes, he can. Not even one. We're giving more now. Chill, chill, chill. Because let me try to make my point, what I'm trying to say. Yeah, you're so racist right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What I'm trying to say is you racist. No, no, no, no, no, no.

2:11:07 Hold on.

2:11:07 No, that's not it.

2:11:12 No, no, no, no, no. You will die. No, no, no.

2:11:15 I'm trying to tell you is if we was to have a scheme like that, like a scheme or something that we're involved with like that, our best bet was to say, yo, Mr.

2:11:24 Lee, Go pump it up.

2:11:28 Shoot a video.

2:11:32 We going to booby trap. We going to make you look like the illest Dominican.

2:11:36 For two weeks. For two weeks. No, no, no, no.

2:11:40 We going to film for two weeks, but that's going to last for as long as it lasts.

2:11:44 I'm not that businessman. Less cash out. I'm not that businessman. I know. That's what makes it fucked up. Mr.

2:11:48 Lee, that shit sounds dope. I don't want no parts in it, but you, you should invest in that shit, and you need to do that shit.

2:11:54 But I ain't investing in it. They probably said the same thing with, why, yeah, one thought I made. No, no, that's a classic.

2:12:02 See, the reason why I would ride with it, even though I know, is because if he comes.

2:12:08 There's plenty of artists that just.

2:12:11 Freestyle and become real artists as well. That's my guy. So, I would ride with it.

2:12:18 I think we went off the rails of what we were really talking about, to be honest.

2:12:21 That's what you do when you drink.

2:12:22 It is, yes.

2:12:27 It is, but what I'm saying is that's what's happening right now. And what's happening right now, now, there's artists, I mean, there's CEOs that's lying and they're sitting back and they're saying, I'm going to ride all the way with Mr. Lee because where Mr. Lee can take me is to this AI world. Like, I've seen seven jokes of the same joke.

2:12:50 Yeah, it's all fake. They're all fake.

2:12:54 The future for entertainers is done.

2:12:57 So this is what I'm trying to tell you is, like, me, personally, yes, what I invest in real hip-hop, of course, this is what I'm doing. But what I invest into that fake version, where it's like, I'm not calling Mr.

2:13:08 Lee fake, but what I'm saying is, like, if he was to get lucky... Yeah, that's it. But there's no money in it because you just said it. No, no, no, there's money.

2:13:15 If you invest in the fake version, only 20 million other AR models are going.

2:13:19 To take your fake version and make it fake. No, no, no, there's money.

2:13:21 Listen, isn't it that fake dude? He is fucking lit. That fake AR dude, he got a hit. Yeah, he got a hit.

2:13:30 Yeah.

2:13:30 They're not making money. Yes, they are. No, they're not. He can't even move. How? With his face. He's fucking. No, I'm making a point.

2:13:45 We're talking about different things.

2:13:47 If he's a real person, he's not fake.

2:13:49 But we're talking about different things.

2:13:52 No, but he's actually signed.

2:13:54 I don't know how this shit works. Look, we can bring this all full circle to what you're saying. The AI shit is destroying everything now. The only way to really connect is... In shows, live shows.

2:14:05 Notice I didn't say AI at first. I said, got lucky.

2:14:08 I said, like, he's good going in the studio.

2:14:10 No, no, but we went into a new territory, which you brought up, which I've been seeing, too. The joke shit, like, real comedians say a joke.

2:14:15 Yeah, that shit is crazy. Then they're making AI versions of, like, a chick with a fat ass. Yeah, I saw that fat ass version.

2:14:21 Then they're doing the, you know, the dances, those dance competitions.

2:14:25 They'll take a dancer that did a dope dance, and they'll put... A fucking A dude A.

2:14:30 Chick did the dance But they put a dude Or they put a guy With a carrot.

2:14:33 Top hair I see a fat black guy Make one joke It was ten fat black guys That made the same joke I was.

2:14:39 Like Which one is real? Which one do I like?

2:14:41 So what I'm saying is What comes full circle We were talking about Originally Connecting with promoters And giving them fair deals So that you can Make So hold up So what I'm saying is this Ultimately at the end of the day The internet and social media is on its way out.

2:14:58 It's dying because nothing is real anymore. Right. It's like us. So the only thing that's real is when you go out and touch the people.

2:15:05 We thought Sonny was a real Haitian until we took him to Haitian Flag Day.

2:15:08 Sonny's AI. Look at that AI, Sonny.

2:15:11 He was AI.

2:15:11 Sonny's AI.

2:15:12 Sonny's AI.

2:15:13 Sonny's AI. We took him.

2:15:17 Yo listen Listen Tretch We thought He not Haitian? Yeah He hella Haitian But listen But he didn't go to Haiti with.

2:15:24 Me Because he was scared He didn't go to Haiti with him I went to Haiti He didn't go Hold on Tretch.

2:15:27 And we took him to Haitian Flag Day That nigga turned American He was like Hey how you doing guys?

2:15:32 I said What happened? I was like yo What happened to Sapa Se?

2:15:36 No no no He wasn't not Sapa Se And nothing.

2:15:41 He wanted American food.

2:15:42 He said, I'm tourist.

2:15:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wanted white rice. I said, let's go to Haiti. He goes, no, no, no, that's all you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all can have Haiti. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

2:15:49 I was playing around, like, with that version, but what I'm saying is that shit is so easy for it to happen right now.

2:15:56 Like, it literally is.

2:15:58 Like, literally, it's a kid right now and anywhere that can use the Fruity Loops.

2:16:07 And he knows he's not talented.

2:16:09 And the problem is for that kid, this is what I'm saying, be open-minded. That kid might have got lucky that one time and will never make it again. And he probably needs somebody like Mr. Lee to say, I'm sorry, I keep bothering you. I'm not bothering you. I'm not bothering you. I'm bigging you up, actually. I'm actually bigging you up. But he needs something about Mr.

2:16:31 Lee. You know they said the same shit about us, though, right? No, no, no. Let me just say something, because Mr. Lee is a hustler. Mr.

2:16:36 Lee would charge you for smoking in the car that he smoked with you in it.

2:16:42 That's my guy. That's my guy. That's my guy. But you need somebody like that to be like, yo. That's my guy. I like that guy. I'm going to get everything. I'm going to get everything out of it. I'm sorry. But that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But to finish this whole thing, my thing is this.

2:16:58 The person that you're describing that will go after everything will also squander all the money they make off of going.

2:17:04 After everything and have no future. That's why you're not supposed to be there. This is a temporary thing.

2:17:11 The person that does the music with passion, is about the culture, and sees longevity, they're going to nurture relationships and.

2:17:18 Have a career. I realize this can be a very long conversation, but. Most of those, most of them don't listen.

2:17:26 Because here's the deal, and we got to deal with reality.

2:17:30 Most of those people you're talking about with passion never make it. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. There's way more rappers that did not make it. I don't agree with that. They maybe didn't have the full passion. I mean, you want to deal with that? No, I don't agree with that.

2:17:44 You don't believe that there's way more rappers that didn't make it than rappers that did make it?

2:17:49 No, I don't. just saying your face. Way more people with passion you're saying that didn't make it. No, you know why? Yeah. You know why? Them backpackers, man. Come on.

2:17:57 You're just saying one thing and I think the backpackers did.

2:18:00 Underground.

2:18:01 You know how much underground, you know?

2:18:03 Yeah, but there's, I mean, it's hard to make it in the music industry like it.

2:18:06 Is to make it in sports. You know why, man? You know why? You know why it's like that? You know why? Because you're in a land where there's more artists than fans.

2:18:17 Exactly.

2:18:18 There's more artists than fans. That's real shit.

2:18:20 They are better than everybody else, so then the sales and the clients come out because they're like, fuck them, I'm better than them.

2:18:26 You're in a land where there's more artists than fans. Right. And that's happening right now in our space. There's more podcasters and podcast listeners. Yeah, I agree with you. More podcast artists. I mean, not real, but it is getting there. More podcast artists than everybody else. Like, I could do better.

2:18:42 Let me start my podcast. Right. No, you can't. You cannot be a fucking drink champ. Yeah. I don't give a fuck what you doing out there. You cannot be a fucking dreamer. Tell that. Tell that. That's real tough. I got another shot. I'm in. Salute you. You're a sneaky little shorty by nature. She keep.

2:19:06 She would throw these short glasses on your ass.

2:19:08 No, but in all reality, let me end it like this, in the right way. Of course, hip-hop is in my... Like, real hip-hop. It's in my veins. Like, I listen to that. But I also pause, pause, pause. Been fucked by the business.

2:19:26 The business is not hip-hop, remember? We all have.

2:19:28 Yeah.

2:19:29 One way or the other. Yeah, but at some point, you got to play business to be in the business.

2:19:33 Yeah.

2:19:34 If you want to be in the business, for sure. If you want to be in the business. For sure.

2:19:36 Yeah.

2:19:36 A lot of people don't want to be in the business, and that's cool.

2:19:39 And if you ain't in the business, mind your fucking business. But if you ain't in the business, you should mind your business. Or make your own business.

2:19:45 Or make your own business. So never be. Afraid to take an opportunity.

2:19:55 Like, you don't have to like everything that's happening. Like I said, Haz is a great example.

2:20:00 He's an engineer.

2:20:01 Everybody that he records, he might not like. Like, everybody that we interview, nah, we pretty much like everybody.

2:20:09 Yeah, I mean, we created good chances. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least 99% of the time, yes.

2:20:14 But if we weren't to do that, nah, fuck that. Let me take that away, too.

2:20:19 Yeah. Yeah.

2:20:20 Period.

2:20:22 As far as business go, not as far as drinking champs, because I can't, but as far as business go, if I was to sign an artist that I didn't agree or I didn't understand and it was time to cash out, it'll be nothing wrong with that for me.

2:20:38 If that's your business. You know why?

2:20:40 You know why y'all got great businesses, investments, on the greatest podcast in the world is because Of respect of individuality.

2:20:52 Right. Which a lot of people is like, fuck that, fuck that, fuck that. I don't want to get them here. Because when you have respect, everybody.

2:21:00 Individuality and give them a voice to speak, you always hear one side of the story. When you prospected on what you heard, oh, you went somewhere else and I'm going to.

2:21:13 Get the guy right here, right here, who you talking about. Right. And give them a voice or who you giving flowers to. Yes. Boom. Individuality.

2:21:24 With relationships, whether it's your home or outside. I love individuals for being who the fuck they is.

2:21:32 It just keeps... I love.

2:21:34 If everybody was the fucking same come around, nigga, I'd be walking around tunnel vision.

2:21:38 Like, this shit is goofy to me. Right, right. Everybody look alike. When we came out in the 70s, 80s, 90s, everybody had to look different, sound different. To me, that's like a pillar of hip-hop.

2:21:49 Yo, if you from the South have your accent, you from the West Coast, everybody show who they was. Individuality, yo, when you respect that... You can't never fall. But that's like even like vinyl.

2:22:01 Energy is the best. Like vinyl is a pillar to.

2:22:03 Hip-hop, but we're going to keep like you're arguing.

2:22:06 Yo, yeah, yeah, we got to have vinyl, we got to have vinyl.

2:22:09 You know the vinyl sales are higher than ever now. I love that.

2:22:13 I love that because I'm not opposed to it, but I'm just saying like where do we stand?

2:22:17 No, guess what?

2:22:18 How many people will go our era? or the kids that grew up on them will go to a record store and get a 12 inch or cassette and a CD and put those back out. I don't be streaming shit unless I know somebody and they put out a nigga. I, if I could go get a cassette, And a motherfucking CD and go and put that back in.

2:22:43 We put them back in new cars, CDs. That's happening. And look, you know what? Hold up. There's a thing. There's a trend happening right now.

2:22:51 People are starting to boycott streaming services.

2:22:53 So they're buying CDs. I like that. Old and new CDs. I like that. And they're uploading them to create their own.

2:23:01 Personal streaming service that's you know like local to their.

2:23:03 Home stream me see just now no more it's just like it's just like it's it's it's it's.

2:23:10 I'm stuck in a pause between a rock and a hard place because yes that's me i like when i see vinyl but am i am i bugging like my son will probably never try vinyl right i'm talking about my youngest son right and it's like that doesn't make.

2:23:25 Him he might though There's a lot of youth right now that he wears.

2:23:29 Old school clothes. All right, man, get the hell out of here.

2:23:35 No, vinyl's becoming trendy amongst the younger audience now.

2:23:38 So I'm saying you never know. You might grow into it. I know, what's it called? Vintage. Like vintage period is trending.

2:23:47 But what I'm saying is I can picture myself saying, Hey, man, to my son. Hey, man, I'm about to put on this vinyl. And I could just look at him like, man, what the fuck is a vinyl?

2:23:59 They didn't even know. Guess what? You know what you have to call that? They don't know what I'm about to tell you.

2:24:03 Bad parenting.

2:24:04 Yes, because he's supposed to know vinyl. No, because he's supposed to know from you what the fuck vinyl was.

2:24:09 I can't win at all. Let me get another drink.

2:24:12 I know when it's my fault.

2:24:14 I'll be like, yo, guess when my kids got turned on to old school music?

2:24:18 In fact, my two youngest, Leasia and Kingston. Oh, I want a regular drink. Okay, thank you. I'll take all three. They strapped in the back. I'm driving.

2:24:28 So every time they banging with each other, you know, banging, banging. I was like, oh, y'all want to bang?

2:24:35 I'm going to the throwback station. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Boom. So they start hearing it so much. Bow. Because they were so fucking bad. You fucking love them. Yeah.

2:24:47 Yeah.

2:24:47 They start asking, daddy, where the old school station? So they listen to old school and new school and, you know what I mean? So if your kid don't know shit.

2:24:59 About mine, because I had to be a bad parent too, I'm like, yo, my kid's got to know hip-hop. But I ain't going to lie, Playboi Carti got my kids, man.

2:25:07 Yeah, of course, because that's their generation.

2:25:09 But whatever you taught them, they'll.

2:25:12 Come back to it eventually. Right now, it's not working for me. No, guess what? Yo, do I have to make a true confession? Yeah.

2:25:20 Now, I get up in the day, I watch TV, I work out, I look at Revolt TV, Revolt, the videos.

2:25:30 Man, ain't nobody going to be seeing these YNs as whack.

2:25:34 Like, and yo, it's whack niggas and dope niggas in every art form, everything.

2:25:40 Every generation, yeah.

2:25:42 And I'm going to tell you, the females is tearing shit the fuck down.

2:25:45 Yeah, the females are winning right now.

2:25:46 Lotto you got doja cat you got i agree like so many coming out from megan from global like i'm talking about like just the girls is fucking rhapsody he's killing me and they showing throwback and new generation so i watched that i love it shout out to revolt yeah yeah yeah.

2:26:05 Yeah let's take a shot I thought it was a dead set, right? And I like what you said about the throwback station. Shout out to Rock the Bells.

2:26:16 They got a censor station that I could play with my six and eight-year-old.

2:26:20 Wait, what do you mean? They got a censor station. Where there's no cursing. No cursing.

2:26:23 Really?

2:26:23 I didn't know.

2:26:24 Yeah, they got a Rock the Bells censor station, and I could run that.

2:26:27 The kid's in the back, and I'm like, yeah, turn it up.

2:26:30 Except when they put on Two Live Crew that even if they censor, it sounds terrible. And that's my home team.

2:26:36 It sounds terrible.

2:26:38 That's called getting older, wiser, grown.

2:26:43 You sound like a great parent. So I guess what we're saying is, Tresh, man, thank you, man. Yo, man, thank y'all. Thank all y'all again. We love you, Tresh, man. We squad up all the time, every time. And we love you.

2:26:58 We're going to take this shot, but we're still not changing, meaning, like, you know, we are all hoping for the best.

2:27:06 For you and your brothers.

2:27:07 Yeah.

2:27:08 And the group, however this turns out, you know what I mean?

2:27:11 Like, we want the best for everybody, man, because y'all mean so much to us. And I understand how you feel.

2:27:19 I understand.

2:27:20 When y'all book them shows, you know, with me, you're going to have the straight lyrics and the performance and all that trash of Naughty by Nature.

2:27:28 You understand?

2:27:29 All the rest of that at the DJ set, you going to get all that from me, the brand.

2:27:34 I'm keeping it on my back, on my shoulders. Breaking news, real nigga alert.

2:27:38 Love y'all.

2:27:42 Take a picture. Can't take this nigga nowhere. That's why I take him everywhere.

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