#Throwback Episode - w/ Havoc, Noyd, L.E.S. & Tony Touch | (Ep.117)

0:03 Mission! Mission! Mission!

0:08 Mission!

0:11 And it's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast. Make some noise! He's a legendary Queens rapper. Hey, hey, it's your boy N.O.R.E. He's a Miami hip-hop pioneer. One of his DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players. You know what I mean? In the most professional, unprofessional podcast.

0:29 And your number one source for drunk facts. It's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuckers. What it could be, hopefully it's what it should be. This is your boy N.O.R.E. What up, it's DJ E.F.N.

0:49 And this is Dream Chance motherfucking 2018 New Year.

0:52 Make some motherfucking noise! So, before we introduce our guest I want to say that this is our first time... Did I see you since 2018? No, this is the first time we see each other. Good to see you brother, happy 2018. And we haven't worked, I haven't worked. No, we've been on a super vacation. Yeah, I've had.

1:11 Meetings but I didn't work. I didn't even get to take a booking, right. I didn't even have a booking since 2018, right Mr.

1:16 Lee?

1:17 No.

1:17 No, so this is our first time working. I'm proud.

1:21 No, but that was like the new New Year's Eve. And what's crazy about this, the last New Year's Eve was my first time bumping into Prodigy and we've seen each other.

1:31 At Akanele's Club. Oh, that's right, that's right.

1:36 So, without no further ado, I would like to introduce, when we started this show, we said we want to interview legends, we want to interview people we respect, and people who have a legacy in this game. And I'm standing by three individuals.

1:50 who are the benefit, they are the picture of that segment. When you think of legendary, you think of career, you think of Havoc, H-A-V-O-C, in the building.

2:04 Make some noise!

2:06 You think of Rappanoid, extraordinaire, let's make some noise! And you think of the producer extraordinaire, LES, make some noise!

2:17 My name was LES cuz my real name is Lee Shawn and don't try to go out there.

2:21 Scam me and try to burn them burn them credit cards and swipers but anyways Lee Shawn is.

2:24 L-E-S-H-A-N and I used to go to school And they used to call me LaShawn.

2:40 And you know that back then, that was the transformation of the Keyshawns and LaShawns. You know, all the girl names with the LaShawns. So I just say, yo, look, I got to break this up. And then my brother went to the Lower East Side, which was high school. And he was like, yo, they doing this shit down on the Lower East Side, scratching and yo, your name's L.E.S., boom.

3:01 We gonna make your name L.E.S., take the S-H, you.

3:05 Know what I mean, he didn't get it from there, but he went to school out there, and that's what they was, they was doing a lot of the park shit, and all the jams and stuff, and he was bringing the tapes back from, you know, the cold crush, and what they was doing down there, so, He was like, now we're going to make you L.E.S.

3:21 As a DJ.

3:22 But it had really nothing to do with the Lower East Side. It traveled with me to this day.

3:27 Now, was your very first beat Lifes a Bitch? Very first beat on Wax was Lifes a Bitch. Wow. On Wax. Very first beat. Let's make some noise for that. Now, I was just saying this earlier off camera. I think Rappanoid.

3:45 And AZ has one of the most standout verses on a classic album.

3:51 Do you mind if you put me up there where I'm leaving?

3:54 But some will argue.

3:59 But I'm saying, where Diego at? Where Diego at? Come on, where the Queens guys at? Hey, you from Queens? You better come.

4:08 Over here and know this verse then. You better come over here.

4:10 Where Diego at? Oh, he went downstairs? I gotta wake you, Diego.

4:14 You there?

4:15 Okay, okay, come on, come over here. Come over here, y'all.

4:18 We gonna sing this verse for Rapanoi, you know what I'm saying? He just caught on that you was spelling out Rapanoi. He just, yeah, he just. I said, I said, you don't know Rapanoi?

4:30 He said, I don't know Vignoi.

4:32 I said, my dude. And we were screaming the verse. Yo, come on, come on, come on, Eddie, come over here.

4:39 Do you know this?

4:39 You know this verse?

4:41 Listen, man, I'm going to see who knows it best. Me, you, and A. I know it.

4:46 If you're going to let Noah judge, who's going to know who's the best?

4:51 Just like American Idol.

4:54 We're ready? It's the R-A-double-B-E-R-N-O-I-D. You can't fuck with me. Coming straight out of QB. Pushin' to infinity, you askin.

5:03 Everything constantly Ventedly, definitely, to the death of me Come and test me, trust me, then you can't touch me, then you can't bust me So trust me, you're gonna have to, cause I'll blast you a lyrical Like a miracle, spiritual, I'm.

5:15 On with it And I'ma have it till I.

5:17 Fucking dead and gone with it Cause I'm a what? Cause I'm a hardcore, a lyrical disruptor Don't make me bust yet cause I'm a wild motherfucker You know my flow, you know my steelo Even pack my gat when I go to see my P.O. Drop the booty, pack my gat in my loopy till it's shorty I can't do my P.O., try to chew it to the alley I know I start wildin' Flip it up nigga, flip it up nigga, I'm with the ice, go with.

5:40 The ice Get fired, baby, so I escape You deserve that. You deserve that.

5:45 Yo, I ain't gonna lie, it sounds like you had cracks.

5:56 In your pocket intervals.

6:00 I can tell you was drug dealing at that time. That is drug dealer rap right there.

6:12 I was in jail when y'all made that album. I actually came home. But I could see you laying that vocal. Even though I never seen you lay that vocal. Y'all hadn't met at that point at all?

6:23 I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. No, I kind of met them after I came home from jail. But how did that come together? That was great.

6:30 I mean, just back then, you know, we spelling the names out and stuff like that.

6:34 Rap Anoint. And the name actually came from Stu B-Rail on 41st side.

6:39 And we were joking one day and he was like, yo, you look like the Noi.

6:43 Before then, nobody was calling me rapper Noi.

6:51 MC name was just a joke.

6:53 We was baking on the block and everybody was laughing. And the next day I got him to go to the candy store. Everybody, yo, Noi, what up? What are you talking about, man? Yo, Doug, what up? So I kept it as MC Day, man. I just waited that.

7:08 Because he didn't even look like the Jack.

7:11 You can't even stop him. He looked like the Noy character.

7:14 Dominoes?

7:15 You want to see the Dominoes? Yeah, the Dominoes. You got to beat the Noy and shit.

7:20 But the crazy thing, yo, people that wasn't even there when we was baking, they calling me Noid, they wasn't even there.

7:26 I was like, oh shit, fucker, I can keep the name. Everybody's calling, they gave me my name. You Noid. I'm like, all right, fucker, let's do it. And now, you from 12th Street too, right?

7:36 Well, I'm originally from 40th Side of Vernon.

7:38 40th Side of Vernon? I grew up with Nas in Jungle and the Quaid, the Wilsons. I'm from the 40th side of Vernon back in the day. Hell yes, you from the down block. I'm from the 40th side of 12th Street. Oh, that is Karate Joe on them side, the other side. No, that's... Karate Joe is from the 41st side. That's Spunk's side. That's Spunk's side. Spunk's side, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

7:59 So that's the 40th side.

8:00 That's the block. I lived on my pops. You know, he a number rider, so he was on that block. When he seen me hustling, he was like, nah, you can't live in the same roof. Niggas kicking in doors and shit. So I went over to the grandma crib, which was on 03th. Of course, from having them on the 41st side. Yeah, so I, you know, I did my bit on both sides.

8:18 How come there's so much talent that comes from QB?

8:23 I think it got a lot to do with the Juice Crew.

8:26 You know what I mean? And the inspiration. Well, Juice Crew was Marley and Shan, really. Right. And Roxanne. You're right. Once it's one of three, you're right.

8:33 Yeah, so, I mean, the inspiration that, you know, that came from that probably, it just, you.

8:40 Know, you know, it just, you know, The legacy just continued, you.

8:44 Know, on Craig G, you know what I'm saying?

8:47 Yeah, you're right. Trash and all that. Big up Trash. Big up Trash.

8:50 People always call Trash when we make jokes about him.

8:53 Call him and let him know we're making him up. Tell him to move him. Tell him to move him. We love you, Trash. For sure. For sure.

9:00 So I think it got a lot to do with that, with the legacy that was from Queens Grizz.

9:04 Because I know for.

9:04 Me personally, myself, it made me... be proud to be from Queensbridge. You know what I mean?

9:11 I used to go to school and they used to play, where you from?

9:15 I'm like, I'm from Queensbridge. You know what I'm saying?

9:19 For years, because I came out with a brother named Capone that was from Queensbridge. Everybody would confuse me and they would always say that I'm from Queensbridge. And for years, I would say no because I'm from Luckrack. I'm proud to be from where I'm from. But tonight, tonight, I am from Queensbridge. We in Queensbridge.

9:41 Most of my beard on 44 side of 12th.

9:49 Street, but you you fit in like you was I came I came the first time I came there And I had seen John Peter right before I came home and I went to see these dudes and.

10:00 They were on the block drinking ENJ and it was the first time I ever really seen people drinking like So, um, you know.

10:17 We got to speak on it. Recently, you know, our brother Prodigy, we want to say rest in peace. In fact, let's give a moment of silence. Everybody just be quiet for a second. Rest in peace, Prodigy.

10:30 For sure.

10:31 Recently, he passed. We understand that. And did you see the overwhelming amount of love that he received on Instagram?

10:38 Yeah. I wish he would have got to see that when he was here. That was the only like negative part I had to say. I was like, I love that.

10:47 People show the love, but then again, as a person who knows him, I wish he.

10:52 Could have been here to see that. Was that something like how you felt.

10:56 Too, Noy?

10:57 For sure, but Pete really always got love because we used to call him Science. We all the same age, coming up mad young, and everybody knew he always had that another level. a mentality, his mind was always on another level, you know what I mean? And he got that when we used to go do shows and stuff, we'd bump into the guards, they'd pull Pete to the side, dropping knowledge, and you know, I'm not too much into the guard body and stuff like that, but Pete would take some information from that and move on, and then pick up books and move on from knowledge and share it.

11:29 So I always seen like the Real Recognize Real when it came to Prodigy, we'd do shows, a lot of stuff, we was wild, so we used to bump into a lot of drama but we used to have a lot of dudes coming to show P-Love, like, yo, son, we can dad this, want to strut for you. So he always had that respect, but of course, Definitely wish he had seen the love that he got.

11:49 It was from people that don't even rap. I remember just watching the news. There was a random guy in the news.

11:57 Oh, he made a little beat tribute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, Tony Touch is downstairs. Tony Touch is downstairs. Can somebody see that?

12:07 Oh, yeah, yeah.

12:08 I looked into Tony Touch on the phone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:11 So, um.

12:12 Yeah, he made a whole little news. Yeah, that was dope. They ran the whole albums down. He was giving a report. No, he gave a report. But he was using the lyrics. The albums as the titles and what he was talking about. And it matched up like a teaser. So is there a Mobb Deep album in the stash? Or there's something you got to chill out with?

12:29 There's definitely a Mobb Deep album in the stash, you know what I mean?

12:32 But I just want to give it a little bit.

12:34 Of time, you know what I mean? Very respectful. Is it fully recorded or is it something you got to piece together?

12:40 Half and half, you know, I got to piece it together, stuff that's already recorded and stuff like that because, you know, I think that's what people want, you know, just one last hurrah.

12:49 Right, right, of course, yeah.

12:52 You know, him out, stuff like that. So that's definitely in the mix.

12:56 Right, right. That's what's up, man.

12:57 You know, again, my condolences to everybody because we all took it hard. Like, I mean, he was, the craziest thing, I was going to save this until later, but the craziest thing is.

13:08 That day in Vegas, you guys got upstaged. I was the first. He was right there. I was right there, yo.

13:14 So the crazy shit, his was crazy, right? I want everybody to really pay attention to this. I've been working on my food show for two years, right? Finally got the deal. Finally, we had to pick the choices. We had to pick where we had to film, right? So I had a choice of Las Vegas or New Orleans. For some reason, they pushed me towards New Orleans. And the fact is, I didn't pick New Orleans because they pushed me towards it. So I said, I'm going to Vegas.

13:46 There was nothing lined up for me.

13:47 I just freestyled.

13:49 And it was like God made me see the last hour.

13:54 That was crazy. The last mark.

13:56 I didn't know I even was bluffing because I was like, damn, I'm going to Vegas. I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. I'm going to look stupid because I picked this. And then it just so happened the Art of Rap tour was there. And Onyx asked me to come out. And I came out and I got to see Pete at his last moment. I mean, it was very deep to.

14:13 Me, man. Shout out to the Art of Rap, man. Shout out to Art of Rap. Yeah, that's a dope thing. It's really dope, man.

14:19 And the relationship that Ice-T has with Marv Deep goes back, back.

14:24 How far back?

14:25 How far back does that go with Ice-T? Yo, but we shot P's first video for his first album, H & IC.

14:34 Ice-T was on 21st Street. In Queensbridge.

14:39 I don't know what happened was I seen him in the gas station in Manhattan.

14:43 Right. And I'm getting my car washed. He getting his car washed. He was like, where you about to go? I was like, yo, I'm about to go to Queens, bitch. He's like, Prodigy's shooting this video. He's like, yo, I'm going to follow you.

14:53 He was by himself.

14:54 Wow. He did a project by himself. By himself. 21st.

14:59 21st.

14:59 That's how he came to Drink Champ, by himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No body, no nothing. He way too rich for that. He got to relax. He got to relax. Ice T, you know where I'm at. I love you. And he really thinks he know how to fight. I just told him.

15:11 He says that.

15:12 Like, on and off camera. He'd be like, yo, Norah, why do I need a bodyguard? I'm going to miss a good fight. He's like, Ice-T, you're going to get sued. You got to relax. You're my brother, Ice-T. You know, I love him. He's always supported me. He's always been there. He's also on my food show, too.

15:25 I got to let y'all know, the food show that we announced is called On the Run Eating. It's coming out end of February.

15:32 You know what I'm saying? I can't announce who the hell it's with because... Really? I thought we got past that.

15:37 Nah, they got a press release coming out next week.

15:40 Oh.

15:40 So I don't want to piss them off, you know what I'm saying? And they've been doing good. I ain't seen a marketing plan since the 90s. These motherfuckers had a marketing plan.

15:49 I've been working out since.

15:52 Congratulations.

15:52 A marketing plan? No disrespect, but y'all ain't got no marketing plans. I love y'all. We got one coming.

15:58 I love y'all.

15:59 We got one coming. I'm sitting on this marketing plan. We got to step it up, folks. These people over here got marketing plans.

16:08 So, Elliot, what was your favorite studio session ever?

16:15 Wow.

16:15 It might have been Life's a Bitch. Wow. I would pick that, too, even if it wasn't.

16:19 Because it was so, it was just so, okay, you know, I'm running around with Nas, I'm DJing, You know what I'm saying? He doing a zebra head, and then they give him the deal, and I just go DJing.

16:30 Like, ah, come on. You said zebra head? The zebra head soundtrack. The move, yeah, yeah. I remember that. That was the first single was Halftime. Halftime. That's when they, Columbia gave him the single. So this is 92 you're talking about? Yes. Okay, okay, okay. So, you know what I mean? We just going through the travels, and then it's just like, I'm just DJing, hanging out.

16:49 I'm making beats in the crib. Because I'm doing, I'm selling CDs. I'm like the neighborhood DJ. Your Sweet 16, your Anybody's Party.

16:57 And you ain't keep saying that? That was AZ Young Man or that was Nas Man? Say it again? AZ was Nas Man. Oh, so you didn't know him? I didn't even know AZ. Okay.

17:05 So I'm just, just doing the regular, you know what I'm saying, DJing, just, you know what I'm saying, making beats and doing my tapes in the hood.

17:11 And Nas is like, yo, I just can't get it together. We got eight records.

17:17 Just bring all your beats to the studio and.

17:21 I'ma go through some joints, and AZ was there. Okay, already? Already. Okay.

17:26 So I bring the joints, got my little folder, floppy disk, I'm loading the joints in the 3000, no, the actual MPC-60.

17:32 This is a real, this is a real.

17:35 MPC-60.

17:35 MPC-60, I'm loading the joints up.

17:37 Look at Medusa in the building, look at Medusa, goddamn.

17:39 Tony Touch in the building! Tony, Tony, Tony!

17:45 What up, so yeah, so I'm loading the beats up in the joint, you know what I mean, I'm just playing, and I ain't even get to play, I didn't even get to play everything. The first record I pulled up was the Ozzy Bubba's, Earning For Your Love. So I'm playing the beat, and then AZ's in the corner just, he by himself just coming, doing his little chants, and Nas was like, yo, what you got?

18:08 So he, I guess Nas listened to what he was saying, then.

18:11 He doing his little joint, He wasn't doing the hook yet, he was doing the rhyme, the flow.

18:17 And then he just... I'm over here! I don't know if niggas really know me. I quote other niggas rhymes as good as mine. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm a fit.

18:40 I love being a fan, but that was so you ain't meet this guy You play the beat.

18:44 And that nigga kicks visualizing the realism.

18:51 So I'm like what's going on in the nose picks up and then now they in the booth did then he hits his joint out of hook his life's a bitch and you die so I'm in the I'm in the days of God bless the dead black from 10th Street had the black hand.

19:05 So Back then, nobody couldn't take no music out the studio, because they was stealing music back.

19:12 Then, you know what I'm saying? The bootleg was.

19:14 Terrible, so nobody left with a CD or nothing. So I'm crossing the street in the hood, going from my mom's block to my grandma's, and Black Ed pulls up at the stoplight.

19:25 Bump in the joint.

19:27 Oh, yo.

19:28 What the hell? How you get that, son?

19:30 He was like, yo, come on, son. Well, you know Nas is coming home from the hood. He left the tape in the wet. So now they riding around with the joint all blazing.

19:41 So I'm thinking it's a fad. You know niggas from the products.

19:43 Everybody's gonna say, oh your shit's good, they never gonna tell you your shit's wack, there's a few niggas that'll just be around, they ain't gonna never give you the honest truth, so I'm thinking that, you got for men, you got lost.

19:52 Professor, my shit is just, I don't even know how.

19:54 To pronounce it. You know what I'm saying, I'm just looping. You were the only one, you were the only unknown at that time.

20:00 Yes. Everybody else was bad, Yes! Damn, what a record to start on. Yo, bro, I'm telling you, everything was just, everything.

20:07 Was a dream, and like really until we started DJing and going on tour.

20:11 And the world started singing the record. I just thought it was like some project shit. You know what it is? Nas, let me tell you what Nas. And it was the last record too, so I think.

20:18 Everybody heard the whole album but that record, so I'm like, oh yeah, I just like that because it's the last record.

20:22 But Nas picking you, by the way, he picked an awesome record from you, but it made Nas a hero in a certain sense because it's like, I got Q-Tip, I got Pete Rock, I got Large Professor, and who's the other one?

20:37 Premieres. Premieres. I said, Pete Rock, Pete Rock. I got all of them, and nobody else, nobody really.

20:43 Knows you, but you're from Queensbridge.

20:45 So that made Nas kind of like... Like it solidified him.

20:48 Like it solidified him, like he did something right by the hood from the beginning.

20:52 And he did, he gave brothers a chance, and you know, and God bless. The second record was Sugarhill.

20:59 Oh my god. Second record. Wait, this is you? Me. Second record was Sugarhill. So now it's got the shit running. I'm like, oh shit. I already got this looped up because I'm DJing. In the same session you're saying? No, in the same like... Less than three months. Less than three months. That was the second record I did. Like a follow-up in a sense. It was a follow-up. Do you know Capone's story about Sugar Hill? Did you ever hear this?

21:26 Capone thinks that he played Jewish because he.

21:29 Won't have the same record.

21:31 Paul has the same exact trigger, but it's called get the cream.

21:35 So it's the same exact trigger. Well, Paul has the same, like, sound. He sticks to the sound. He sticks to the sound. I was not there. I was not there, but apparently he played it for you. Oh, you played it when you was around and then you went and you gave it to A-Level.

21:54 I never really had the heart to tell. I didn't think that was the truth. When Puffy sampled Juicy, I went in the crates, bro. And I dug in the crates. And I was like, yo, go in the crates and let's do it. And actually, when I did the beat, I was just like.

22:09 Nah, man. I need to get on that. I'm like, you know, I had to play for him first. You know what I mean? I'm like, what you think? Wait, should the free talk about it?

22:17 Yeah, sure, yeah.

22:18 Wait, did you tell Paul you didn't believe the story?

22:22 Nah, I never really did.

22:23 I never really did because I feel like if.

22:26 He did play... And he loves you. If he didn't, I love him too, man. My father, his father's best friend. My number line has been raised off of the pig slip. So, you know what I mean? So, we good.

22:37 But, um.

22:38 Well, he thinks he played it for Faith Noonan.

22:41 If he played it around me, for real, for real, at that time, it ain't even.

22:45 Who's on that hook? Is it Miss Jones? It's Miss Jones. Big up Miss Jones. She was right down on a bike ride. Yeah, big up Miss Jones.

22:52 And she used to always be in the screen.

22:54 She used to be in the recording. She used to always be in the projects. Was it Stout that talked about that record? Didn't he say something about that record? I don't know, but I don't remember. We can go.

23:03 To it, but I want to ask y'all guys, what did y'all feel about Steve's style? What did he say, AZ? He started with that record. He said AZ was not a lyricist.

23:13 I thought that was crazy. No, he's crazy. No, he's crazy. He's crazy.

23:17 He's crazy.

23:17 He's crazy. And I watched that Drink Champs, too. You saw it. We said it was crazy. Yeah, the whole 30 hours.

23:23 Listen, I didn't even know, like, because you know how we.

23:27 you do this shit sometimes, you be so into it, you're not really peeping.

23:31 Like, when I had to look at it back, I was like, damn, I should've went harder. Like, me personally, I was like, and he said the same thing about, what did he say about Cormega? He said Cormega was just a shot. Yeah, he said a lot of foul shit. He said a lot of, like, I didn't realize that I didn't realize it. But, you know, this is a platform.

23:48 You let people speak. No, he can speak whatever his opinion is. That's all I'm saying.

23:51 No, you know, honestly, I remember when Nas brought AZ to the hood, he rommed on a hill. Before in the studio or anything like that, he on the hill rhyming and everybody.

23:59 Like, whoa. Nah, AZ, undeniably, man. You know what I mean? Big up AZ, man. Big up A, man. Why do you think A wasn't just as big as Nas? Could have been the label? Definitely the label. EMI at the time. The rollout? Was it the EMI version? EMI at the time.

24:18 He was the first rapper to even break through on EMI, like on some street, you know. to get a real hit record. And for real, the singles sold a million records. So, Sugar Hill. Yeah, Sugar Hill sold a million records.

24:30 They was calling me like, let's make some noise for that goddamn, fuck your money, goddamn.

24:37 So they was like, yo, Alex, here's.

24:41 $ 20, 000 in a week. And I'm like, okay, what's that? I don't know, I'm from the hood.

24:44 What's $ 20, 000?

24:45 Okay, okay, another $ 20, 000, another $ 20, 000.

24:48 I'm like, oh, that's a gold record. Oh, that's a platinum record. So they know the sales when it starts to roll. They kind of predict where it's going to sell at. But I ain't know nothing. I'm just making music. I'm just sampling everything in the crate. And like I said.

25:03 So you think it was the label you're saying? The label, I think the label, the label, there had to have been a label. Because he had Dio was managing him. He was running with Heavy D at the time. So he had him around the right people. You said Dio?

25:14 Dio.

25:15 Oh, Dio.

25:16 Dio was his manager. So he had him around the right people. And he was doing the right records. You have any opinion on this, Tony?

25:24 No. I think as a DJ, like being around that, what do you think? I just, I mean, I think the label and... I think the label, but I mean, I wouldn't know. I mean, you know, first of all, I'm in awe. Like, I didn't even know I was walking into today.

25:38 This is like the third time you're walking into this.

25:41 Yeah, yeah. Big up Tony Touch. But I mean, you know, I was on my mixtape grind at the time, man. So, you know, these records is making... You know, a lot.

25:48 Of noise, man. I'm just glad to have been part of history and helped break these records.

25:51 But you see, there's any observation you have that maybe why AZ might not have... I think the label could have had something to do with it.

25:57 He's one of the early rap artists on that EMI situation, you know.

26:00 I think the label would deny success so fast, too. You know what I'm saying? Like, being that he was a birth from Nas, so even though he wasn't... Like an overshadowing type of thing? Right, like, you know what I mean? It didn't... You know, Nas' career just kept going and going. It never really went down.

26:15 And then he was just still stuck with.

26:18 I think Columbia Records was more of a commercial.

26:22 machine to get it done.

26:24 That's what Nas was on.

26:25 It was a commercial machine.

26:26 Well, but if that's the case, then that didn't start working until the second album, because really, Illmatic was.

26:32 Because they let him do his thing on the first album.

26:34 Illmatic wasn't a commercial success. Right. It was an underground success.

26:37 Right.

26:39 But he had to build a foundation first, and then after that, I think they was like, all right, come on, it's time to do radio.

26:44 That's interesting, because Infamous album.

26:49 Was that an underground success for y'all, or was that... That's platinum, correct? I would say, no, the Infamous album.

26:57 Didn't go platinum, but we scratched the surface, like, you know what I mean? It wasn't radio records, really, but it was enough to keep us... Y'all knocking on the door. Y'all on that deal. No, not that album.

27:10 It's platinum. Praise. It's platinum in the hood. Yo, no, that's platinum.

27:14 Because you know what it was back then is you send out a certain amount of records, if they don't send it back, they automatically give it to you.

27:20 Yeah, they give it to you. But that's definitely platinum.

27:22 But we didn't have no problem with it because the Infamous album went gold, and then we came out with the Hello on Earth, and that went gold.

27:30 Well, gold at that time is platinum in hip-hop.

27:33 It was like some EPMD shit, right? Remember EPMD used to always come out and just go gold. So that's, you know.

27:39 Now, Mobb Deep, I ain't going to lie, man.

27:42 I want to really, really big you brothers up because the two-man arsenal, like it led for us to come to Austin.

27:50 But I just really realized I.

27:52 Went, you know, what we do every time we film a podcast, we go into people's discography and we play the music.

28:00 I seen you was doing it on your own today. I was. And I was doing it on my own.

28:03 So, you know, I just go and I just go listen to all the records and I.

28:06 Just, and I'm like, damn, that shit took me years. Like, a fucking, the whole day. Like, just, I'm like, damn, these motherfuckers. A day, bro.

28:14 A day.

28:15 Really fucking put it. And then I, and then we got LES here. Oh, my God. More than a day. We got Noah.

28:21 We got Tony.

28:21 You realize how much Mobb Deep means to the world? Like, I had to remember it myself.

28:26 I mean, it means a lot to me.

28:28 You know what I mean?

28:28 So, to even see people.

28:31 You know, binging us up and stuff like that, it always felt good.

28:35 And it always humbled me. And to this day, you know, I'm still humbled by it.

28:39 Like, I'll take a picture with anybody and say what's up.

28:43 Just shit like that.

28:44 That's a beautiful thing, man. That's a beautiful thing.

28:46 You gotta be, man, because it's like when you in that store and somebody's like, yo, LES or have, yo, that beat or that, yo, you changed my life. You don't understand what I was going through at that time of life. So a lot of the music that was made back there You know what I'm saying? The youngest and the people our age be like, yo, bro, like, really, that was dope.

29:08 Who's somebody who called you for a beat that you never thought would?

29:12 Say it again? Who's somebody who called you for a beat that you never thought would? Who called me for a beat? Queen Latifah. Ooh. And did it happen? It happened. They flew me to Atlanta. She had just shot the movie. Set it off. He was working in a dungeon house. Wow. In a dungeon. She paid me for the record.

29:35 I didn't even use it.

29:35 I took it personally. Dungeon family. Dungeon family. Dungeon family.

29:41 We just started working, but at that time she was already movie career, so the focus wasn't as strong.

29:47 She wanted a record, but God bless Chris Lighty. God bless.

29:52 He was my manager. He put me in the right place. He just was on the phone like boom, boom, boom, boom. You know what I'm saying? And then Steve Stout was my manager, he picked it up on the end. And I was with Trackmasters, I did.

30:03 But you had Chris Asty? Yes. God damn it. He's getting a lot of money, god damn it. Let me hope so, man. Let me hope so. Let me just say this, man.

30:13 I made a record that is Miami's national anthem.

30:17 Which is what? Will Smith, Welcome to Miami. Welcome to Miami. Give it to Miami. This is Miami, this is Miami. Yeah, I love you for that. I love you, but I.

30:28 Can't love you for that.

30:31 At the same time. I'm sorry, I went off the stand up. Did you produce Big G? You went into? I co-produced it. And Nas wrote the whole thing. Nas was writing, and he should have wrote more. He should have written more. I'll bring you up on that show. But Miami cannot co-sign the record. Hey, look. Public checks show it.

30:52 No, no, no.

30:53 They show it. But we cannot close that now. You said public checks? The publishing checks. Oh, yeah, amazing. I thought you was going to say hustling by Rick Ross or something like that. Nah, I'm just talking about popularity. That record plays, bro. No, no, no, no, but it's anthem-wise. I mean, you'll hear it. You know what I mean. No, I know what you mean, but a million? Bro, 10 million.

31:16 I hear you, but I'm Miami. I can't move out of the same space. Oh, man.

31:23 I respect the check, but I can't respect the anthem bars.

31:30 It's all good. Well, Trina got a one right now. Paradise. Paradise is hot. Oh, man.

31:35 But it's like a... No, I don't blame you, but it's trick and treat. Daddy, you can't be, like, no disrespect to Will Smith, but you can't be Will Smith talking about Welcome to Miami. He can't talk about Liberty City.

31:46 He didn't shout out Liberty City to Miami. Huh? He didn't shout out, let me say, welcome to Miami. I guarantee you don't know I live in the city. He didn't shout out, hometown, can't do none of that shit. He was keeping it simple. Welcome to Miami. I felt him though. I felt him though. My mind. Shout out to Steve Stallion. Shout out to Will Smith. Will Smith, you know what I mean? We always in there getting it done. Jazzy Jeff, we always in that. We did his album in two weeks. Incredible. We have four studios.

32:15 We ran out the whole... Nah, they legends. The whole thing. We got it done.

32:18 He ain't writing nothing. He just came in and said, just niggas write my shit. He just said, welcome to my.

32:24 Come on. It's all fucked up, man. Come on, write some shit. Come on.

32:30 I was loving it right from Will Smith. Throwing it out there, Will. Just in case you looking at this. You know what I mean?

32:36 Bring it down here, man. Nobody knew. Nobody knew. Okay. I'm just laughing.

32:41 I was in the studio just laughing to death because he was so funny.

32:45 Remember when y'all was doing the Kobe album?

32:48 And I offered to write Kobe rhyme. He was like... I was like, I bust your ass one-on-one in basketball. I don't even know why I said that. I don't even know. I was just like, if you can write your own rhyme, then I can beat you one-on-one. He looked at me like, no, you must be drunk. But did you play him? I offered him. You know where he was at? I realized my offer wouldn't have been took up. You know where he was at? Where? He was in Mr.

33:15 Childs.

33:15 You know where Mr. Childs is? Yeah. 57th Street. You know what's the closest basketball court that I know? From 57th Street is over the bridge. Over the bridge. It's supposed to be over the bridge right now. He hasn't figured about that one. I'm not going to come to this place to play glory. Hey. It's like 12, you know, one in the morning. I'm like, let's go. I got everybody with me. He just looked. He said, nah. He said, you're going to win this one. This is one you got.

33:43 But big up to Kobe.

33:44 But he did not let people write his rhymes. Yeah, Queensbridge, y'all play ball at any time. And be mad loud, and nobody don't say nothing.

33:53 And be mad loud. You could be in Queensbridge two o'clock in the morning. Back now, we're talking to have about this.

33:59 Yo, we grew up with full court basketball courts on our block.

34:02 Like, you walk out the building, you're in a full court. They said that people have their backyard when they get rich. You know what I mean? We had it on the court. It was like that. You can see it. That's how run-run was. You can see me.

34:14 When I moved to they block on the 41st side, run-run was outside. Him and his pops were full court, one-on-one, in the snow, the rain, everything.

34:23 I'm like, dude, what's going on? Going hard, full court, one-on-one. And this is your pops. This is your pops. I respected his pops.

34:34 He was one of them respect dudes. He'll come outside looking for his kid.

34:38 I was like, you know, I was hiding my drugs whenever I see the nigga. Like, hold up.

34:42 For real.

34:44 I don't want him to even know I sell drugs. He's that type of guy. Yo, big up to Ron Ron and them pops, man. That's for sure. He held it down, man. And what is his little brother doing right now? Daniel? Oh, yeah.

34:56 I think he played ball, too.

34:57 He played ball, too, right?

34:58 Yeah, I think he played probably overseas.

35:02 Mm-hmm.

35:03 Yeah.

35:03 So what is... Now, you just said you came from Russia. Yeah. So now... Wait, from Russia? Yeah. We don't like Russia, no. You remember.

35:12 We didn't have just such a great time.

35:14 We got to go back. We got to try Russia a little more. You know who picked us up in Russia? This is how you know this is not the place to lose that. It was, they bad said, Russians against racism. We said, damn it, we got to say it.

35:25 Yeah, it's just me and him. Just me and Ari. He's like, yo, if you got to say Russians against... We might not be in the right part of Russia right now. But you just came back from Russia. Now, this is a Havoc show, a Maldive show? How do you continue in the legacy?

35:41 It was a Havoc show to.

35:46 Support the legacy and all that stuff.

35:48 But I'd be traveling all the time to a lot of different places like that.

35:52 And they just got.

35:53 They show so much love, you know what I mean? Nah, they definitely have a lot of love for hip-hop. Like the culture, generally. Yeah, so it would just be crazy, but that flight. Yeah, oh, no, no, no. I love y'all.

36:10 Believe me, that flight was like 10 hours.

36:12 I don't know how we did that shit. Oh, yeah. We flew to Germany first.

36:15 We flew to Dubai, but once I land, I love Dubai. What's your favorite place to go?

36:23 This is definitely a topic we talk about all the time on Drink Champs.

36:26 What's going on?

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37:26 Your boy N.R.E. E.F.N. Drink Champs. It's going down.

37:29 N.R.E.

37:30 Boom.

37:34 My favorite place to.

37:35 Go, I would have to say probably, I like France a lot. You like France too.

37:38 You got to eat ass in France. You got to eat ass in France. Ass?

37:43 Damn, what?

37:44 Ass? You got to, yeah. It's just a romantic place. I thought you were going to say France.

37:50 I thought you were going to say Escargot.

37:53 Escargot.

37:54 You said you got to eat ass in Escargot?

37:56 You got to do it. You got to do it.

38:07 Only in Paris they got the joints that come out of the taste Oh No, no, let me tell you.

38:17 I'm like anymore put you on.

38:19 To the spot they put the like the green on it and with the cheese on top of it, with the butter, you.

38:26 Don't even know you're eating a snail. You don't even know it, y'all. You'd be like, ooh. Yeah, it's like a mussel. It's like a mussel. It's fucking fantastic. It tastes like that?

38:33 I mean, I have never had it, but I would imagine that's what it is.

38:37 You got to only do it in France, because that's their delicatessen.

38:39 Like, that's their shit. Like, y'all, I had it in Prime 112. It's okay. I'm out here.

38:44 They got Escort Gold and Prime 112 out here. I'm not having it out here. I'm not having it.

38:48 In France, it's fucking fantastic.

38:49 The Steakhouse Prime 112. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not eating that. Did you say your favorite place to go?

38:57 I would say.

38:59 France.

38:59 France, France, France.

39:00 France is like one of my favorite places.

39:02 Okay, yeah.

39:02 And you know what's good about France is you can get like the rich culture, but then when you go to that show, those are the worst gangsters in the world coming.

39:12 To a Maldives show. I know that. Just coming to a Maldives. I know that.

39:17 I'm going to tell you like this straight up.

39:19 The last two times that I went to Paris, I said, fuck it, you know what?

39:24 Let me go without security or whatever. So I went. And I think them niggas could notice that shit.

39:31 My neck was hurt, I was like, God damn.

39:33 Yo, listen, my nigga, I'm not gonna lie to you, I swear to God, I'm giving it right back to you.

39:39 What's your boy's name, what's your boy's name? Etienne, Etienne, he's a killer. I know Etienne. Listen, one time I walked through the crowd, the same exact shit you said. And I went like this to the dude, here, give me two. And the dude grabbed.

39:52 My watch and had a $ 150.

39:54 Bust down at the time. He grabbed my watch and he looked at me. He looked like, yo, I could go, Nori.

39:59 But he was like.

40:01 let me go I was like I still wanted to give it to him I was like but he had me he.

40:07 Had me so like you know you had to go in oh no I would have had to run into the crowd cause I'm walking to the stage it's like the version.

40:13 Of Summer Jam so I'm walking to the stage but yeah Paris is wild but I love Paris still.

40:17 Too and I still love Paris even though regardless because it's just like anywhere else like when you go somewhere you get caught slipping.

40:25 Yeah anywhere else that's exactly right you can't underestimate anywhere anywhere Jamaica Ave Bowling Street, no matter where you're at, 47th Street.

40:33 Jamaica Ave got mad police now. Niggas ain't getting robbed in Jamaica Ave no more. You're going to jail. Yeah, trust me.

40:39 There's cameras everywhere now. I'm talking about Coliseum. Let me not say, you know why I say Jamaica Ave. Jamaica Ave is too big. That Coliseum block, that's all police. I think a police officer own that. I'm just throwing it out there. So, when it comes to eras in hip-hop, what is the best era in hip-hop?

40:58 Man.

40:59 It depends on who you ask.

41:01 I'm asking all you motherfuckers. But you can't, I mean, you can ask us because we, I don't know. Yeah, don't be politically correct about it. No, I'm just saying, I mean. Shit, I loved the Coogee rap era and the Kane and the... So that's like late 80s. Yeah, the LL... The Juice Crew era. The LL, Gone Ham, you know what I'm saying? Like, late 80s, early 90s. Yeah, yeah. EPMD, you know what I'm saying? 88 to 92.

41:26 Yes.

41:27 Like, for me, that's what I would have to say. But I've grown up now to... Like, oh.

41:33 Shit, this mom deep, this Tupac, this Nas, this Biggie. 93 to 96 or 97 to me is the... I'd be like, oh, I don't know. It's a little second guess on, you know what I'm saying? I think that's... But you would say, Tony, you a DJ?

41:45 It's a tie between like 86 through 88.

41:49 Right.

41:50 Because Ed Lover, every time we have a discussion, Ed Lover hits me on Twitter. He says the 80s is way better than the 90s.

41:58 Every time we have a discussion. I mean, you got to think about it. 86, 87, that's a high school. You got to think about it. You know what? Kiddaplay is, I think it's left on. I think Kiddaplay is left on.

42:07 Kiddaplay is, I mean now they're like the way we talk about them, but they.

42:16 Were big Yeah.

42:18 The records now you're like yo, this is kind of hell they was killing.

42:23 They really wasn't cursing either right there like the first will see it.

42:26 I mean, I yeah, and he was making movies. I Yeah, it was in the movies. The house party, that was it. Yeah, the house party. Those are the guys that's with them. You're going to kick your ass. Full force.

42:36 They want to do a drink cast.

42:40 Yeah, they've been from the beginning. From the beginning. They've been hitting us up from the beginning. Well, you know. This is a place for hip-hop people. This is what we do. We come here to represent our legends.

42:53 There's places that we had a strategic phone call with the companies and the powers and places that beat, and they said that they wanted to start implicating or putting new.

43:05 Artists in there, and we said, nah. Can't do it. Nah. They have the radio station. We can do it, but it's got to be our way. Exactly. Like, you got to be introduced by OG. They got all this. OG got to bring you on.

43:17 Yeah, you come with, you know, I mean, Bleak come with a cast and all, but that's dope.

43:21 Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, but... You know, new artists, they have their lane already. You have your hot night. They have every lane. Social media is all their lane. This is our platform.

43:33 Yeah, this is how it is. You know, that's how it is. That's old school, new school. You know, it's together. We want to represent our legends. We want to represent people that have been in this game 10 years or more.

43:45 And put it in that work and deserves to be recognized. And mind you... Because when you wait two years or more, people don't want to recognize you.

43:52 When we started the platform based on that premise, we didn't know it was going to pop. It was just us doing it because we wanted to do it and it just happened to pop off.

44:02 You know what I'm saying?

44:03 I think it was genius.

44:07 We need the Mobb Deep Chronicles podcast. to happen as well. You know what I'm saying?

44:13 You rap annoyed, you know what I'm saying?

44:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

44:18 And y'all just talking about that, because you're going to see the impact, you know, of this, because people just want to hear these Mobb Deep stories. So.

44:29 I'm actually working on a documentary, so that way... Ooh, let's talk about that documentary. Damn, we'll talk about... I'm sorry. That's me making noise. So what's that documentary? Is it a Maude Deep documentary?

44:45 Yeah, it's going to be a Maude Deep documentary.

44:47 Okay. It's going to be an extraordinary company.

44:53 Gave me a lane. I don't want to say it because the contract's not done yet.

44:56 Okay, cool.

44:57 It's a good company that we all know.

45:00 And they're giving me a lane to do documentaries.

45:02 Not just on Marth Deep, but on a few artists that I love.

45:07 Dope.

45:07 Dope. That's dope. Congratulations. Let's make some.

45:11 Noise for that.

45:14 I don't got the name of it yet.

45:17 That's why I started drinking the Presidentes first.

45:20 Let me tell y'all something, man. I don't know if y'all know.

45:34 But have knocked down a lot of industry bitches.

45:37 My nigga.

45:37 This is young Wesley Snipes.

45:42 Trust me. Trust me.

45:46 This is about 90s music a second ago.

45:50 90s music too. Trust me, you're going to get too much credit. Listen, I have used that. Remember how I had the pink? I'm not the pink. The turquoise trailblazer?

46:03 That B was chopping Jordan down.

46:09 He's bringing him to the hood. I was like, man, this nigga's a little Wesley Snyder.

46:16 This nigga's killing him. You'll know he's crazy.

46:19 I don't know.

46:20 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No, I just had a lot of friends. Not deadass.

46:34 We were proud of you out there.

46:38 That's a great story.

46:39 You were like French Montana, like how French is right now.

46:43 The talent you have.

46:45 Y'all don't know, y'all think I'm playing to be funny.

46:48 I'm actually being truthful. This man was knocking them down. No he don't. No he don't.

46:55 I just had a few home girls and shit like that.

46:58 You don't respect for God, that's why you keep getting that pussy, right? Because you ain't blowing it up. That's what's up. I ain't going to, I'm a married man. I got to live vicarious to you. Or your past. Or your past. This is beautiful. You got a beautiful past. Your book is going to be great. But it's still a challenge.

47:17 Though because you you want to make it was the documentary would be first I.

47:42 Right, and it's still a challenge because you don't want to rush it, do it too fast, and just rush things.

47:48 Nah, don't rush it, man. Nah, don't rush it, but at the same token. What's the biopic? Biopic. Biopic. We got a big one. Right. We got a Tupac one. We got an NWA one. Right.

48:04 It makes sense, it makes sense.

48:06 They set the standard.

48:08 And I mean, my personal opinion, Tupac could have been better.

48:12 I think the NWA one was the best one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, by far.

48:15 Because when I watched the movie, I was like, oh shit, I can follow this story. Because even without really knowing him, you still kind of.

48:24 Was like, oh shit, yeah, this is the thing that we was hearing. They put it together fast.

48:29 But the people that probably was really really close and I'm probably one of them to put even more People did follow them.

48:37 How about the Tupac movie? I just feel about that.

48:39 I didn't even watch it.

48:40 I Thought it could have been better. I always do you think it could be a more of the movie? Yeah, it could be.

48:46 Like they may park them a big like we talked about mom D Did we go plan on the first album? Oh, and not real close or whatever? You think the world would be ready for a Mobb Deep album? I mean, movie. If done properly.

48:59 The ill shit is, God bless, because I always knew Mobb was one of the biggest groups ever, right?

49:07 But when I see P's death, and when you've seen Stephen.

49:11 Colbert, different people just showing love to Mobb Deep, it's like, wow, Like that shit was sold out there.

49:17 I'm telling you, if done properly. Right.

49:20 If done properly, like everybody would have to be involved. Everybody from the beginning. From, you know, they got to, you know, you got to get twin. You got to get, you know.

49:28 You got to get your trip.

49:30 You got to get everybody to say twin story.

49:34 Like how that accident, God bless, God bless. That accident was crazy. That's a myth to us in Queens. I know 15 different stories of what happened. You know what I'm saying?

49:45 So I'm just telling you on the outside, I'm looking in. You know what I'm saying? I've always been like your family, but I was always from the other side. So I'm just telling you all. That'll be something that they'll eat up fast.

49:59 And, you know who's the person to do it?

50:01 Because he probably feels like he ain't do pop's movie right, it's Bitty Boom.

50:07 I think Bitty Boom is the.

50:08 Guy to bring home that Mobb Deep story.

50:11 But even more outsider looking in, because you're actually an insider. Yeah, insider, outsider, okay.

50:16 But Mobb Deep is the soundtrack, if you're a hip hop kid or generation, Mobb Deep and y'all's sound is the sound of our generation to a certain point.

50:25 Like N.W.A. was the sound of a generation. Right.

50:28 And so it deserves that those accolades and a film properly made. You know what I'm saying?

50:35 I'm surprised. It would have to be y'all still involved because that's what makes N.W.A. shit so better.

50:40 Than everybody else is because, you know, obviously Pac and Big wasn't here.

50:46 Right.

50:46 There's no way you can do a Big Pun movie without Fat Jackal.

50:50 Of course not. Of course not. I would be totally against it. I got love for the family. I can see what the family is doing. I get it. Wait, you're saying you ain't doing a movie? No, I'm just giving you an example. You just can't.

51:03 And with you guys here, I'm just telling you, man. Everybody has their own little memories. Ask me something I would go to the movies for.

51:12 Right. So that's why you're saying if it's done right. Because you know the story.

51:15 You know a.

51:15 Lot of history. It's beautiful. and they can be done with the way you remember.

51:19 It just from the last time I was here you don't understand when we said Ship One's beat was made off the project store.

51:27 Like people still like what the fuck are you talking about crazy but people didn't live in the project so they don't know that that click click click that's regular that's regular shit you know what I'm saying but you know okay the shot time okay I'm in.

51:44 That click click click but that's a genius shit.

51:49 Yeah, we was just talking about that. You know, me and Hab was talking about how it used to be.

51:52 We'd be in the project chilling and Hab would just dip off.

51:57 He upstairs. Making a beat. Cooking. Real cooking. Yo, I ain't gonna lie, let me tell you.

52:04 But have you some, he's the power down a lot of stuff, you know? So if you ain't go with him, or like, he was good at making beats in the studio, like, let me get you one right now.

52:12 See? He'll be like, nah, I don't like your power. Be like, nah, what you doing? I should be like.

52:17 I made Alpha 9 right there in the studio with Nas and Ray Cuomo's right there.

52:20 I just was like, boom.

52:21 You see how nonchalant he say that, though? Did you hear what he just said? First of all, first of all, we coming back to that, okay? Remind me to go back to that, please, my brother. But I ain't going to lie.

52:32 I'm going to tell you what makes Hyde crazy is you can go on a studio with Hyde.

52:37 You can lay some shit. and then leave and he'll.

52:41 Come back and he'll have three different more beats to the same exact shit.

52:45 He'll be like, this one was wack. I'm like, yo, what do you mean? I love that one. He'll have a whole other shit and it's better than that. You can't argue with him.

52:53 And then like, I remember like Parole Violators, that was like the third version. I was like, yo, remember, I told, look, Haz does that. When Haz does that, I say, yo, you're on your habit shit. He'll just keep making the beat better and better. Like, that's some genius shit. Yeah.

53:10 Nah, it's just that I'm just never satisfied and I'm my own worst critic when it comes to beats.

53:16 Tony Tess can attest to that probably, right?

53:18 When you be making the beats, you be like.

53:20 You'll never be done if somebody don't say, yo, that's it.

53:24 No, that's the truth. He's the truth. He's right. Like, if you don't have that artist there to be like, oh, nah, nah, nah, that's it. I'm going to finish it out right there. Hell, Lord. Chill, have.

53:32 We'll just go and be like, nah, we ain't going to play for you. Nah, you don't need to hear that. You're like, nah, play that beat right there. And you'll skip it. Skip it and get back to it. You're trying to find it. And then somebody be like, yo, no, that's it. And then you'll be like, eh. You know what I'm saying?

53:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That BP. Okay, they want shots. God damn it. We got to go back to that story. He said, Nas and Raekwon. Eye for eye.

53:56 Eye for an eye, it wasn't even that beat at first.

53:59 It wasn't that beat at first.

54:01 So there's another beat.

54:03 To that record?

54:05 It was the same sample, but then I switched it. How it start off?

54:10 I ain't gonna lie, as a producer, I'm gonna be honest.

54:19 I'm going to be honest. No, you can't say as a producer. You're not a producer.

54:22 No, as a producer, you were just showing off.

54:26 Showing off. You were showing off. You were like, I got this. Let me show you. Let me show you. Let me show you. You was just like, nigga, I got the game. That beat was smackin', niggas. Everybody pretty much.

54:47 And you always waited to hear what the snare was going to sound like.

54:51 As long as that snare drum... What machine you use on that one?

54:56 I'm probably using the MPC 660.

54:59 Every machine he got, when I went to the 41st side and we was doing music, you know, the 40th side was hustling, so... We went on 41st side, it was like music. The only thing he got.

55:08 He was like, yo, hell, I got the 3000, I got the 5060. And then we was on. Let's get a shot of Tiger Bone. It's been celebrated, LES, Rapper Noy, R-D, Happy, AJ, DMC.

55:14 Oh, nigga got Tiger Bone beer. Tiger Bone beer, Tiger Down, Tiger Down. Give him another shot, give him another shot. Tiger Down, yeah, yeah.

55:31 Yo, listen, man.

55:32 This is my first time drinking Tiger Ball. Yo, listen.

55:34 Good luck, good luck.

55:35 What is it? What is it? It's horrible, man. This is to LES, Tone Touch, Mobb Deep. Legends, legends. This is to y'all. Salud. Salud. Thank y'all. It was terrible, ah! Oh, we shouldn't be drinking that. What is that, a whole bunch of ginseng? That's mokohaya bingos.

55:53 If you knock something down tonight, you'll be ready.

55:58 Trust me. Trust me, it's like a, um... What's your analogy? If you're playing the game? If you're playing the game, you'll be ready. Like, if you're playing... Like, if you want to give them ass... We shouldn't be drinking that. You're going to knock it out the park. But it's not like Viagra. You're not going to walk around, like, knocking shit down. You know what I'm saying? It's fucking over.

56:17 We need to cut trees down with this guy. Trust me. That's what it's made for. Like, we abuse it because... Yo, don't say that out loud. Don't say that out loud.

56:26 Where is it from, though?

56:28 That shit is from Beijing. No, no, we bought a case, and that shit came straight from China. It had Chinese. It was crazy. We were fucking with the Chinese. What's going on?

56:37 Yeah, crazy.

56:38 They going to ban us in a minute. We're going to LA. So it's ginseng.

56:42 It's a bunch of roots, but originally, supposedly, the Chinese were killing tigers and smashing the bones and putting like ginseng.

56:50 Right. But then, obviously, all that shit got banned because it was actually killing tigers. Right. So now it's just all roots, like a bunch of roots and shit. Okay. Yeah. So you can find it at any Jamaican spot. Right. Roots and culture. Roots and culture. Roots and culture. So hip-hop, how do you... Now, if I have it right now, if 6ix9ine... You know what 6ix9ine is?

57:15 What's his name?

57:16 What's his, what's his other, Takachi? Takachi. All right, now, if he calls you for a beat, what does Havoc say? You give him a chance. You give him a chance. Why not? No, I'm asking.

57:29 Because at the end of the day, all jokes aside, I'm a music man.

57:33 Like, I love music, period. So I don't get caught up in the old....

57:40 I don't like this music and I don't like the new music. A lot of the shit I don't like today, but a lot of the shit back in the days I didn't like either.

57:48 You know what I mean?

57:49 So I'm just a music man, but I will lean more towards my vibe of music, but I always love a challenge.

57:58 So if anybody came to me for a beat, I'd be like, okay.

58:03 But what if they did something on the beat you didn't like? What would you do at that point? The check would make the difference. I ain't mad at that. Nah, but also, if they.

58:14 Did something that you didn't like over it, what do you tell an artist?

58:18 Like, would you try to produce them like the way it used to be?

58:21 You could try to guide them.

58:23 Guide, that's a great... You could try to guide them and be.

58:26 Like, yo, maybe you should do it like this.

58:28 And as long as you're not doing it in a way that is. You don't want to, like, disrespect an artist when he's doing his craft. Like, just be mindful that he's probably trying his hardest, so you do want to guide him on to, you know, what he's doing.

58:44 Right, but it's your art as well, because it's your beat.

58:47 Yeah.

58:47 So I feel like you have every, you know, sense to tell him what to do on your beat as well.

58:52 Like, you should have input.

58:54 Yeah, but he's still paying for it.

58:56 You know what I'm saying? I get you, I get you.

58:57 You can't just be like, nah, nigga, don't do this.

59:00 You did the best you could do to the beat to make it hot, so sometimes you gotta.

59:05 Give it up and be like, at some point, you know what I mean? Of course, like I said, you could guide him and be like, stay on this. I understand what he's saying.

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59:46 Now, Rapper Noid, you was on Tommy Boy. What was that experience being on Tommy Boy?

59:50 It was quick for me, man. I got the deal and got locked up right behind it.

59:55 What?

59:56 What?

59:57 I got the deal and then actually my second half, you know you get the first half, the second half you finish the album, they actually gave it to me just to get me out.

1:00:05 That paid for the lawyers.

1:00:06 And all that stuff. Oh, wow. I was fucked up. So you couldn't even do the promos? You couldn't even do the promos? I didn't even finish the whole album. That's why it actually came out as an EP. Oh, wow. That's right.

1:00:20 It did go on.

1:00:21 It came out as an EP, the first album. All right.

1:00:24 Now, LES.

1:00:26 Why you don't think Nate the album like went to the forefront of music because at the end of the day that was Nas protege right correct and he had the buzz I remember just off of clue freestyles Nate was all over the world why you don't think Nate.

1:00:48 Went the way he should have went it was a little tough.

1:00:57 Because I think nature was dealing with the firm battle, and was he in or was he out? So the tools that could have probably gotten him closer to the well, he probably didn't get that chance to.

1:01:09 You know what I mean? Dealing with the streets and dealing with Cornish Ridge and.

1:01:13 The day-to-day that was outside of the music, you know what I'm saying?

1:01:18 So, Trackmaster's tried.

1:01:22 They tried without Nas' help, just so it's from what's the name, but I think it was.

1:01:28 A little outside the box. What's your relationship with Trackmasters now? Oh, shit, everything good. My phone ain't ringing, but we good. They starting a new, Steve Stiles starting a new one. I love them, man.

1:01:43 You can never be mad at somebody that brought you to a well and you feed your family over something.

1:01:48 It's real shit, man. Real shit like that.

1:01:50 Real shit like that.

1:01:53 Okay, we are you're all from Queensborough's that's the obvious thing but I'm not used to seeing LES with mob deep so what's going on?

1:02:01 I Mean first of all, you know, you know, I.

1:02:17 The, you know, P passed away and stuff like that.

1:02:20 So they holding me down. Like, you know what I mean?

1:02:23 This is like a time where I just need people that I know around me to hold me down. And then in the process of that, you know, obviously, you know, LES, he's a producer.

1:02:36 I'm a producer.

1:02:37 Look at me.

1:02:38 Like, we trying to, you know, team up and do stuff. And then we got Noid here, you know.

1:02:44 So we just... want to just all stick together, you know what I mean? In a time like this, you know what I mean?

1:02:50 It sounds like how we talk back in the days.

1:02:52 You got to stick together, son.

1:02:54 I used to say that, actually.

1:02:57 You know what I mean?

1:02:57 Because I.

1:02:58 You know, if it wasn't for these two.

1:03:00 Right here, I don't know what I would be doing right now, you know what I'm saying, on a daily basis.

1:03:05 Like, I would probably just... be by myself, because.

1:03:09 Who could I bring on the road with me?

1:03:13 It's these two, they both fill my block, so.

1:03:16 I've seen it on stage, the Rocksteady anniversary.

1:03:21 And I was like, Prodigy tribute, how they gonna do this, you know? And then, it hadn't even come out for us. Noid came out first and started his shit. And I was like, okay, this is going to be a go right now. I just felt it right away. You felt the energy and the family and the togetherness. But like I said, it was a prodigy tribute. So nobody knew how it was going to be presented. But when Noid came out off the top.

1:03:48 What was the first song you performed? It probably was Give Up The Goods. Yeah, that was it. And your queens get the money. And you came right off the top. So it was like, all right, we're good. That's how we started the show. And you know it is a monster on that stage. Nah, nah, nah. Is that your favorite place or the studio? What you like more, though?

1:04:07 The stage.

1:04:08 Stage?

1:04:08 I love performing.

1:04:10 Literally, like, I realize, like, my name Teron Perry, but on stage, I'm rapping.

1:04:15 On it, off top. There's a separation off top. Easy, and it comes easy to do that. It's more of the music, man. You're huge in Europe. You know how big you.

1:04:24 Are in Europe?

1:04:25 I get so much love out there, like, so when I'm home, it's like, yo, somebody looking.

1:04:29 At me like, is that him? You know what I mean? Recognize something, you know what I mean? But over there, it's like, Yo, can I get a picture of this?

1:04:39 You know what I mean?

1:04:40 I'm just over here on the block. You know what I mean? And you actually live in Florida, right? Somebody told me. I'm in Tampa. I'm in Tampa right now, man. Okay, man. I'm right down the block. I'm right here, man. Come spread some Miami love. Definitely, man. This is my time. Exactly, man.

1:04:55 All right.

1:04:56 Now, let's not lie.

1:04:56 We've been trying to get him on solo, too. Yes, yes. This is beautiful because you know why?

1:05:02 And God bless you for being a little emotional. I could feel Prodigy watching us right now. Like, I could feel him. Like, I literally could feel that.

1:05:11 Like, I could feel him saying, oh, look at these niggas. They holding me down. You know, downstairs, I said to you, I said, congrats, son. And, you know, I mean that from the heart. Like, God, this shit. For real. Big. For real. This shit is ill. I was running behind y'all. God, this is ill. So you killed it.

1:05:26 When y'all came on, I was running behind y'all.

1:05:29 And P would love that, too. For real.

1:05:31 Right now, like, you know what I mean? Because, you know, before he passed, like you said, he was right there.

1:05:37 That was the craziest thing.

1:05:39 And I remember you shooting the food show. And look at that part of me for cutting your wisdom. But I said to him, I said, I said it to you too. I said, I'm gaily drunk tonight. Both of y'all niggas drunk tonight.

1:05:51 No excuse. And you said, I'm coming back, right? And you know what he said? God bless. He said, I ain't feeling that good tonight. But I've been hearing him say that for 15 years on the road.

1:06:03 I felt like it was always, that was his way of like, yo, chill, let me relax.

1:06:07 So I didn't think of nothing.

1:06:09 So when I heard you say that same story, I was like, holy shit, I was like, because he said to you he didn't feel good that night or something like that.

1:06:18 Yeah, but it was.

1:06:19 Yeah, but like I said, I heard that so many times.

1:06:22 Like, you know, so, you know, God bless, but you know what we're going to do? We're going to make sure Marv D.

1:06:29 We're going to make sure Rapanoi, LES, Tony Touch, we're going to make sure that hip-hop continues to respect that name, Prodigy, Mobb Deep, and we're going to continue to respect that legacy because it hurts me in hip-hop where a person can't make it to a certain place and pick up the next man and say, I respect you. for what you did, what you're doing, and how. That's why I guess this shit is working is because we don't mind biggin' up our bitches. We don't mind saying, yo, we wanna do this. That's what we wanna do because what the fuck?

1:07:07 We gonna expect fuckin' country music.

1:07:09 To big you up? Nah, like, golf books ain't fuckin' with y'all. I'm fuckin' with y'all. I love y'all. I know your verses, and we gon' always big that up.

1:07:18 You know what I'm sayin'? This is what P was talking about.

1:07:23 Everybody owning their own. You know what I mean?

1:07:26 If you really go back and listen to P music, it's deeper than rap.

1:07:29 We all know that.

1:07:31 I got to ask this one question. I'm sorry to cut you off. So sorry because these fans are going to kill me for this.

1:07:35 But one question is that keeps arriving and I just want to ask it.

1:07:42 I don't believe it, but I just want to ask it. Every time I go on the internet and anything is.

1:07:47 Posted about Prodigy, They say that Prodigy was writing a Illuminati book.

1:07:53 So people feel like... There was a conspiracy. There was a conspiracy. That he died on a conspiracy. Yeah.

1:07:59 Yeah. And I just have to ask that because that question just keeps popping up.

1:08:04 Yeah, it's just, it hurts to hear that though, man.

1:08:06 Well, I don't know of any Illuminati thing when it came to Prodigy, but I knew that he was enlightened and he did talk.

1:08:14 About a lot of stuff. Because they say he was writing an actual book. I've heard it from people like.

1:08:19 Busta Rhymes that confirmed that story. He said Prodigy was... I heard interviews where he talked about the stuff. Writing a book. And so now, so people take that....

1:08:29 Like, you know, just regular fans on the internet, and they try to say that this was some conspiracy, because they say the age doesn't make sense.

1:08:41 I say that to myself, too.

1:08:42 But, I mean, it's all speculation, right? It's all speculation.

1:08:46 I mean, you know, I don't want to even really kind of feed that father you know what I'm saying I want to kind of keep his legacy alive on another level but you know we do hear the things where they be like oh Illuminati and this, that, and the third. Matter of fact, I was just watching Van Jones today on CNN.

1:09:04 Oh, with Jay-Z? Yeah, with Jay-Z.

1:09:05 And he was with Jay-Z. And at the end, what did he ask Jay-Z?

1:09:09 Oh, I didn't see it. What happened? No, I didn't watch it. What did he ask, though? He was like, are you Illuminati?

1:09:17 I had the water on, I couldn't hear him.

1:09:18 I know he said no. But anyway, that's the same thing that, you know, kind of like we go through, you know, with the whole Illuminati. I don't, you know.

1:09:28 Like, if you have success, then just say you're Illuminati. It's success. It's success.

1:09:31 I like this. Just think about it. Just think about if that was kind of true, right? Would I want to sit here and say fucking yes?

1:09:40 Exactly, exactly. He ain't coming in my room.

1:09:43 I don't know if that shit is true or not, but I know that my brother was enlightened and he spoke a lot of truth.

1:09:52 And, you know, I just want to remember.

1:09:56 The legacy, the legacy.

1:09:58 Because trash, you know, even trash, my brother too, he got me scared to sleep at night. The trash be talking about, I'd be like, yo, I don't even want to talk to trash.

1:10:08 He'd be like, you know what's going on? You know the street lights, they're rigged. You're trash. Yo, come on. Stop. I want to sleep later. You know what I mean?

1:10:21 I started to figure out that this is a little crazy, because you know I manage Mayday, and they did the video with Lil Wayne.

1:10:27 They did a joint with Lil Wayne. They did two videos with Lil Wayne.

1:10:30 And then fans honed in on this video, and they started to say, homie got a t-shirt that got this sign, and then when he played the guitar, he did this, and then Illuminati!

1:10:44 I could turn you into a Luminati right now with that shirt probably.

1:10:47 Damn, ain't it not? It's my homie. All the white letters. I'm Luminati, fuck it. Let you die tomorrow. Remember those red letters?

1:10:55 But I'm saying that's what made me realize it when they started telling Mayday.

1:11:00 They're like, yo, they looked at the Lil Wayne video and they're like, Luminati.

1:11:03 I'm like, oh, man. And then here's Lil Wayne making a record with these guys. And then she was random. We did that video with Matt Random. Mm-hmm.

1:11:11 And these motherfuckers turned it into an Illuminati conspiracy.

1:11:14 I'm like, oh, now I can't believe anything that I used to think about, too.

1:11:17 If you count the Ciroc bottles on the table right now.

1:11:20 It has a number, yeah.

1:11:23 How many mics does it have?

1:11:33 Yo, my nigga, that's my word. Number of God. Look, in an R.E. album, I'm like this. I have no idea. And then Melvin Flint, I'm like, there you go.

1:11:45 I have no, these niggas, this nigga been a little bit like that.

1:11:50 I'm like, Jesus, I wish I was because I don't need the card.

1:11:54 Like, I don't get it in certain places. They had a Roc Nation brunch. I didn't get an invite. I don't know if they knew I was in Miami. I'm just saying, I watched it.

1:12:03 You need that ass, right? With that police booty over you. Come on, nigga. I want mine. Ain't no conspiracy in that. That's just fucked up. You know what I'm saying? I tell some of my homies, I tell them, there's no conspiracy.

1:12:14 The conspiracy is the conspiracy.

1:12:17 The word conspiracy is the conspiracy.

1:12:19 Yeah. Yeah. Because it's deflecting the truth. Right.

1:12:25 You making up another truth, and then you not seeing what's really going on.

1:12:28 Because about calling it a.

1:12:30 Conspiracy, you taking away the credence from it, and then they start making you.

1:12:34 Look crazy, and then I get the fuck away from that. I just want to take it. You ain't pouring that much in your cup like that. You smoking long over there in school? No, I can't. You can smoke it up, man. So please smoke with him. Sorry, I stopped smoking last week. I'm mad high already right now. Take one.

1:12:51 You can hook him.

1:12:52 In the door if you want to. Yo, shout out to Lux Now. We in Lux Now right now. Oh, definitely. Shout out to Lux Now. Lux Now. You know what? Hold on, hold on. That doesn't work. You don't want that one. What do you want me to do?

1:13:07 Cheers you with a blunt?

1:13:08 No, that's different. Oh, this one? You want to take it lighter? I'll give you this lighter. You don't have to give it back. Hold on, man. I'm enjoying it.

1:13:17 So, Queensbridge, who is the next star to come through Queensbridge right now?

1:13:23 The next star to come through Queensbridge?

1:13:24 Come through. Now?

1:13:26 It's going to be somebody that don't need our help.

1:13:30 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. They going to stay by. They going to be like. Nah, he don't have to shit on everybody. That's what all the young niggas, that's what all the young niggas shit on us, you know what I'm saying? That's where it goes. That's where it falls, man.

1:13:39 That's what they be like. I don't think that has to happen, though. No, I'm just saying, that's the younger people's mentality, though. Like, I, listen, listen, the other day, I kid you not, kid you not, these guys was on Facebook and they like, yo, who's the illest rapper from left, right?

1:13:58 I mean, come on.

1:13:59 We got to relax on this conversation. I don't even mean to brag, but come on.

1:14:06 But these guys, the younger generation, I just went, I looked at the conversation, because I'm just petty. So I went, I looked at the conversation, and these guys, they actually was picking Final.

1:14:17 Chapter over me. But these guys, you know, they hate me. Sorry, people. They pick up on, they never even had an album. Didn't they pick it? Some people pick it Moose and Maze. Not only did they make me laugh. Not Lefrak. Not only did they make me laugh. These are my artists.

1:14:34 But Moose and Lee is from Lefrak, not Maze.

1:14:37 Yes, not Maze. Right. But this is what I'm trying to tell you. This is how the younger generation is.

1:14:41 The younger generation don't want to give a fuck about what came before them. And that's crazy, but at the same token, I remember not giving a fuck about what came before me as well.

1:14:54 Really? I don't know, maybe it's the DJs. As DJs, I always give a fuck.

1:14:59 It's not that we didn't give a fuck about who came before us, it's that we didn't want to actually help and we did it on our own.

1:15:07 Thank you, that's a very valid explanation. On some prideful shit? Yes. Not even prideful, but it's just like, yo, you know what?

1:15:15 Let me do this.

1:15:16 I didn't think I was going to get help from anyone.

1:15:19 From the older people. Well, not help, but did you not want to pay? I always paid homage. Even when I didn't want to, I always paid homage. I always paid homage, you know what I mean?

1:15:31 Because it's not like we didn't care about Marley Mar.

1:15:33 No, I cared.

1:15:35 I mean, I cared too, but I wasn't going to go to Marley Mar and be like, yo, give me some help.

1:15:39 I'm like.

1:15:40 I want to show Molly Moll that I can do it.

1:15:42 You understand what I'm saying? So that's how I was thinking. Where was Akinnelli from? He's from Left Bracket. Yeah, so I mean, come on. Ox, my man, let's not do that. No, no, let's not do it. I mean, come on. I'm just saying.

1:16:00 I was seeing young niggas from my hood saying, who's the illest rapper from Left Bracket?

1:16:05 I didn't really care. But somebody sent me the link, so I watched it.

1:16:11 And it was, I was like, I was like 40%. They would give me, they gave Soul.

1:16:20 Sisters it before me. I said, I know I shot his brother. Like, I did something to him. Like, you know who the guy is, but Soul Sisters. You know, K7 is from Leopard. No, I didn't know that. K7.

1:16:32 Yeah, yeah.

1:16:32 Google that. So they placed them higher on the chart than you two? I was eating.

1:16:42 Come, baby, come.

1:16:43 What was the other group K7 was in?

1:16:46 TK.

1:16:46 TK.

1:16:46 Yeah, one of those joints. Tommy Boy. That was Tommy Boy, right? Tommy Boy, yeah. That was Tommy Boy. That was Tommy Boy, yeah. That was Tommy Boy. Oh, man. I'm sorry. I got emotional just now. Get out of here. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, they should give me that. Come on. I forgot that. I shouldn't have to argue that. Look, that's the problem, Sean. I got a lot of history with Left Frank. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was knocking out pictures out there, too.

1:17:09 No, no, no.

1:17:12 You was knocking them down.

1:17:18 Listen, Hap, at some point, Hap, listen, I'm going to be honest, Hap. Listen, this is what you should do. Let me give you, let me give you, let me give you, like, the illest, I'm going to give you, listen, I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to give Hap the illest idea. You should write everything that you knock down, but in a different way, right? And you get like a Morris Chestnut type of nigga, right? To play the role.

1:17:42 And you snitching on yourself, but you're not really snitching on yourself.

1:17:49 Because you're doing it in a different way.

1:17:51 Instead of your shit being named Key Wong, your shit is Tom Wong.

1:17:56 Instead of having it, it's just tragic. And you just talking about all your escapades. I'm telling you that. You got an ill 50 Shades of Black story.

1:18:08 I'm telling you, you're gonna win.

1:18:12 You're gonna win, you're gonna win. You're gonna win, because I ain't no niggas. Yo, niggas used to be on the hill like, yo, you seen what Hal brought to? Niggas was like, what? Oh, okay. Damn, he on a different level. He making beats and doing other things. That's a big draw. That's a big Hal to talk like that. Hey, I saw it. I saw it. He's a great guy.

1:18:35 You're a great guy. I'm not, because I don't know if you got a girl now. I'm just so sorry.

1:18:40 Because this is back in the day. You're too late with that one. You're way too late with that one. You're horrible with that one. Nah, he said infamous.

1:18:49 Way back.

1:18:49 Nah, it's whatever, cause we ain't nobody's man.

1:18:54 I just be laughing sometimes when this is, cause he be exaggerating for y'all.

1:18:58 No!

1:18:59 How on this one? No, on this one, like, come on, L.E.S., you gotta admit that.

1:19:03 Come on, L.E., you gonna admit it?

1:19:05 He was, he was, he was. Now you say you can't admit it? No, I said I can't admit it because I haven't seen it. Oh, I haven't seen it. Oh, yeah, I haven't seen it. Yo, listen, I used to be in a session with Hal. He used to have three in one session. That is a lie. He used to have one at 2 o'clock, and then he was sending one away. No, no, no.

1:19:25 I was like, Dad.

1:19:26 No, that's definitely a lie.

1:19:30 That's a lie.

1:19:33 That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. Oh, look at this.

1:19:38 Yeah, three different ones, three different sessions.

1:19:42 No, come on. I ain't going to lie. I was very proud of you. Like, at one point, I was like, holy shit. And then he keeps going. I'm sorry.

1:19:50 I'm sorry.

1:19:51 I'm sorry. But you know what? Just because that's one thing. And Pone, too. I'm going to be honest. Pone, I always felt like Pone should have made a Ja Rule outfit. That's really who he is.

1:20:05 Like he's really, like that nigga, one day he told me, he was like, look.

1:20:10 At my socks. It matches my collar. I've never thought of that in my life.

1:20:17 I've never thought that people really cared.

1:20:20 This is a hockey back jerk collar.

1:20:22 I've never thought of that.

1:20:25 What does that mean, white?

1:20:26 He really matched, I'm Puerto Rican, we don't give a fuck about matching hats.

1:20:32 We just put the fuck we on and we just go out. We put the knife in one sock, you know what I'm saying? I put my money in my other sock.

1:20:40 I still got my socks tucked in.

1:20:42 I'm playing old school Puerto, I play handball.

1:20:45 You know what I'm saying?

1:20:48 I'm an old school Puerto Rican, you know?

1:20:52 In my heart I got a tail, you know what I'm saying?

1:20:55 No, I don't.

1:20:56 But, yeah, so, I'm just telling y'all, that's a part of, listen, you and Pone could write the ill sex in the city story.

1:21:03 Why are you putting me with somebody else?

1:21:07 Why are you putting me with somebody else? I'm sorry, I'm going to tell you the story. You're like, you and Pone? You're giving me too much credit. Nah, y'all was better. Y'all kept the dog skin niggas lit at one point. Y'all niggas was like, you, Pone, Wesley, they Danny Farrow.

1:21:25 Couple more niggas.

1:21:27 Who hasn't dominated looking good? How much more time we got left? Hold up. You looking good. Let's make some noise for Havoc. What was your favorite session?

1:21:32 Speaker 1: Speaker 1: Speaker 1:

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1:21:38 Speaker 17: Speaker 17: Speaker 17:

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1:21:43 I'm a family man.

1:21:47 I'm a family man. Yeah, me too. Nah, I definitely don't want another shot. Right. Nah, but... Back then you had fun. That was it. It was back then.

1:21:58 No, no, I didn't even have fun back then.

1:22:01 They was, you know... Drink champs. Drink champs. Yeah, God damn it. Now listen. Now listen. Now listen. So what was your favorite album you ever worked on? What was your favorite? Probably murder music. Didn't you have a movie to murder music?

1:22:23 Yeah, a movie to murder music.

1:22:24 That's when it was pop, bang, man. The music was coming out so dope, so easy. I didn't even know what it was doing.

1:22:33 That's the way it felt.

1:22:34 You know, we all had the mini mansion, Long Island, we had the crib, we together, living together. It's like we fucking out the hood, but we in the hood because we motherfuckers living on top.

1:22:44 Of each other. You know what I mean? But... What was your question? Didn't P move to Long Island? His favorite album he ever worked on. It was Murder Music. Murder Music. Let me ask you real quick before you get into that. You seen the movie? I did, I did. No, I did, I did. But I was listening to that extra today. Murder Music.

1:23:02 And I wanted to ask you, was that when y'all went, like, got away from samples?

1:23:08 Murder Music.

1:23:09 Because it felt like that album.

1:23:12 It felt like that, but I was still sampling it. I was still sampling at the time.

1:23:18 I was thinking about that today when I was listening to it.

1:23:21 What was the single on that album?

1:23:24 Which one?

1:23:25 Which album? Murder Music. You had the Nas joint? or the music, or Quiet Storm. Quiet Storm, the Nas Jordan song. The Smines. The Light. So much catalog, man.

1:23:40 I could be mixing up so much. Those were samples. We was lucky with that one.

1:23:44 It didn't feel like samples, though, at that point.

1:23:47 Because, you know, that was the era when the samples, people stopped sampling a lot.

1:23:51 So, what's next for L.E.S.? Shoot, really? I mean, I don't know. I've been in Virginia, and I'm in Virginia now. And you was on the radio as well, right? 103 Jam.

1:24:03 You still? Right now, I'm not, because, you know, me and Havis are doing a few things, so I stepped away.

1:24:09 Yes. But, you know, I made my mark in Virginia.

1:24:12 I did all the clubs and all the everything, radio station, had a little mix show.

1:24:17 Basically, I brought, like, the clue, the flex. Right.

1:24:20 You know, I took a page out of the book and brought that to them and heated up the streets with everything that's going on. And then now, you know what I'm saying, back into the productions.

1:24:28 You know what I'm saying? Back deep in the country. Full flex.

1:24:31 Full flex.

1:24:31 Full flex. I'm talking about hip-hop. So I got a book, Circles Tomorrow. Yeah, possessions. Let's go.

1:24:37 Laptop here, bro. Laptop here. We know what it is, bro. You know, I got two on the joint. You already know the El Jabaz.

1:24:43 And the Nori Story. Nori Story, son. Right.

1:24:48 When I play that beat and the drums just hit, it just feels good.

1:24:53 How fast did I write that right now? I wrote that shit. Did you write it? I wrote that shit. I don't even know if you wrote it. I don't even think I wrote it. I just think I just reached out. No, no, no, I did, I did. I was trying. I had, I had, I had... Had a piece of it? No, I had.

1:25:07 the story in my mind. And we created the story as we go.

1:25:11 Right, right, right. Like with the intro. And then when.

1:25:13 Nas came in, that's why, that's why at the end you hear Nas like, cause he came in and the shit was already done.

1:25:20 You know what you reminded me of right now? You produced for Mother Superior, didn't you? Yes. Oh wow. Which is a Miami MC that that, you know, if it would've came out, I think that would've changed the landscape of Miami. And you produced, I think you produced a joint with Karis One.

1:25:39 On that record, where Karis was saying, where you at, where you at, Miami's on the map.

1:25:44 That's the hook on that record. Oh, he might have did the hooks, yeah.

1:25:46 See, that was, and that's crazy, because I did that on some, you know how somebody call you with that brown paper bag money.

1:25:51 I just remember seeing your name on the production credits.

1:25:55 And that whole album got shoved by Island. Yeah, Island.

1:25:59 And that album, when it came out, it would have changed the whole landscape of Miami hip-hop.

1:26:03 Yep. God bless them for holding down Miami, God damn it. I mean, don't bless me for that, I'm just... God bless you. What's next for Rappin' On?

1:26:14 I got two of the illest producers on the side of me. God's the limit, man. You fought to God, fought to God.

1:26:19 You know what I mean? So we working together, doing shows, you know what I mean? Because right now, I'm working on a book. My cousin Moo.

1:26:25 Moo just came on, you know what I mean? So I'm just trying to make it pop, you know what I mean? God bless you, my brother.

1:26:31 Word, word.

1:26:32 What's your oldest success? What's next for you? The podcast with Norris. That's right. Let's go. Podcast with Norris.

1:26:45 And of course, earlier, what I said, documentaries that I'm going to shoot.

1:26:48 I'm very interested in that. The movie after that.

1:26:51 I'm going to fill you in next week.

1:26:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:26:53 And a biopic, man, because it's not too soon.

1:26:56 He's not telling you about the solo Havoc album.

1:27:00 He played us a record, and you know Hav. Oh, man. I know it. Speak on it, bro. He played us a record right now, bro. And you might have to hear it. You know what I'm saying? Damn. Good. I wish I could make one of those right now. We'll be in the studio at Circle House.

1:27:22 Tonight, I'm definitely going to the basement. Oh, wait, who's in the basement? Tony Tyson's in it.

1:27:34 Tony's in it. We're going to see Tocantins. Okay, so what time is the basement popping? Right now. We're going right now. I told you. I'll be honest.

1:27:44 No, when we're done here, we're going straight to the basement.

1:27:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Tony, hey, Tony. Can I get on the set? Yeah. Oh, okay. Now, Tony, what's next for you? The basement. Oh, okay. Now, listen, real talk, all due respect to the legend Tony Touch right here. Absolutely. Come on, man.

1:28:09 He was out here a couple of days ago.

1:28:11 Me and Irfan tried to get it together to get here, to get you. We couldn't quite. Put it together at that moment.

1:28:21 And we want to salute you because we understand that you also, this is your second time coming out here on your own.

1:28:27 Don't think that we'll ever go unrecognized or unappreciated.

1:28:32 Thank you for having me again. Nah, man. You come as many times as you want. This is your home. This is your home. I'll never wear my welcome but I do appreciate it. Nah, nah.

1:28:41 You know why? I want to make that part clear. Tony and LES and Robert Noy. I want that to be clear. This is a platform that we made for us.

1:28:53 By us. We the new FUBU. That's what's up. Y'all clap.

1:29:05 We're going to always represent because our platform is for people that have been in here 10 years or more and sit here and we still smiling.

1:29:13 You know what I'm saying?

1:29:14 They don't understand the pressures and the things that we go through, the ups and downs. and the backstories of how you have to even maintain that 10 years. And we ain't going to tell them that part, we're going to tell them the good part, because that's what they need to hear to be motivated.

1:29:27 Exactly. You know what I'm saying?

1:29:29 But at the end of the day, we ain't going to stop this platform. I would rather, like I told you, we had the call with the big people at Revolt, and it was wonderful.

1:29:38 And then somebody says, yeah, so we're going to interview the new guy. Yeah. And that's no.

1:29:42 Disrespect to the people I'm gonna say it drink champs we do this for the whole show I got new guys. Oh For, you know, other shows I got, I will have new guys, but for this, Drink Champs platform is made for people who deserve, that's right, Tony, just pause.

1:30:15 This is made for legends, this is made for people who's been here, and, you know.

1:30:19 Unfortunately, it's only in rap when you have 10 years or more, people say you old, and you can't do it again, and you... Not in fucking rock and roll, not in jazz, not in R & B, it's only hip hop. And we gotta stop that fucking badass rumor. So I'ma lead the way in saying that we get fined, With time like wine.

1:30:45 Is that right?

1:30:47 We get far with time like wine.

1:30:50 Let me say something.

1:30:52 What's great about everybody here at this table is that they're 20 plus years in the game and we still going to Russia.

1:30:58 Eastern Europe and friends. Still going around the world. Still getting booked. Still doing shows all over the planet. The record you put out 20 plus years ago.

1:31:07 I'm not going to lie.

1:31:09 I don't want to go to a cold place. I've been avoiding it.

1:31:11 I've been avoiding the whole winter so far. I think I got to go. I avoided the Grammys. I was like, fuck that shit. I was messed up. Yeah, you was mad stunning.

1:31:22 You beat that? I'm so sorry. You was mad stunning. I'm so sorry. I was almost ready to go, but I'm like, all right, whatever, buddy. That was totally me this time. This time I was like, fuck with us. We out here in this warm weather right now. I was like, nah, this is the Grammys right now. It's the Hood Grammys. I seen the Roc Nation brunch.

1:31:38 I was like, oh, shit.

1:31:39 We the Hood Grammys.

1:31:40 I should have been. I played myself. Like, yeah, I played myself. But I had to be focused. I had to be focused. I'm not a Grammy type of guy. Yeah, you are, buddy.

1:31:50 No, I'm not like after party Grammy guy. I'm not like a Grammy guy. Like I got ADD.

1:31:57 I can't sit still. Like I can sit still because I'm smoking. Yeah, but listen, we're going in the right way. Big up Ab, big up rapper Nord, big up.

1:32:07 Tony Tuck, big up DJ Ali, producer Ali.

1:32:09 Give him a chance. This is the place we're in. We represent our legends. We love our legends. We love our people. And you know what? And you know what, Tony Koga? You know what we're going to do? We're going to take a picture. We're going to have a drop. We're going to pick up. Where we at? I forgot where we at again. We at Lux now. Lux now, who showed us the red carpet, the green.

1:32:31 Carpet, and the pink carpet for the rosé. I'm going to use the bathroom and we're going to come back, take a drop, and a picture.

1:32:38 Voila. Voila. Voila.

1:32:40 Not this way.

1:32:41 That way. That way.

1:32:44 That way. What up, Drink Champs Army?

1:32:47 EFN here.

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