#Throwback Episode - w/ Tony Rock, Rass Kass, Charlie Mach and D-dot Angelettie | (Ep.120 & 121)

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0:51 Happy hour. Make some noise! And right now, before.

0:58 We establish our guest, because our guest is so... I've been wanting this guy to be here so long. But before we establish our guest, I want to big up to the Lowell Smokes Mansion, the office, the people in the Hollywood Hills who is taking care of us, providing the smoke, providing the.

1:13 Ashtrays, and providing the hospitality. Let's big up to the Lowell's Mansion. But when we think of our guest today, we think of.

1:25 The person that you think is not... Listen, listen. You think that he's not getting a lot of pussy, but he's getting a lot of pussy.

1:33 Clearly. Clearly. He came like, wait. Who the fuck thinks that? No, I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you.

1:41 As a person who's married, I like to look at people who's single.

1:44 Right. And I like to appreciate y'all. Okay, okay.

1:47 And you're like in the Appreciation Hall of Fame.

1:49 Yes.

1:50 Appreciation Hall of Fame. Yeah, I'm just saying.

1:52 He's out there knocking them down. He's out there knocking them down. He's living right. He's doing what he gotta do. He's from Brooklyn.

2:00 And listen, not only that. Not only that. I feel like he's like the black slime Seacrest. You did say that earlier today.

2:08 Because he got like 10 shows.

2:10 He's on BET. He's on Netflix. He's on... CBS. Check Flicks. He's on CBS. He's on.

2:18 Let us know.

2:19 Let us know. He's on.

2:21 This motherfucker got so many shows.

2:23 He don't even know how many shows he got.

2:25 And he's right here with us right now on J. Chaps Network.

2:29 Motherfucker, let's make some noise and welcome Tony Motherfucker Rock and Roll. Woo!

2:34 Yo, I'm not going.

2:36 To lie, brother.

2:37 Every week I see you on another show. And it just makes me proud.

2:42 Yeah, man. Because I'm like, this guy's out here. And you're fucking the industry. Because usually the industry fucks us.

2:48 Right, right, right.

2:48 Usually, like, usually we're the niggas getting bent down. They're like, oh, shit, this nigga hit me today.

2:53 Yeah.

2:54 But you're like this. You're clearly like this. You're going to walk me out. Yeah. You know what I saw a long time ago?

3:01 If you watch any sitcom, let's take sitcoms for instance. You watch any sitcom from the 80s to the 90s, 2000s.

3:08 Let's take Fomari.

3:09 When the credits roll, the names behind the cameras are always the same.

3:14 The names in front of the cameras, three or four years and they're done. So I'm trying to be behind the camera and last forever.

3:21 I'll do my time in front of the camera, but when it's over, I'm going to be setting myself up for behind the camera.

3:26 So my name was just going and strolling, and you'd be like, oh shit, it's that Tony Rock. I didn't even see him in it. You didn't see me in it. I produced it. You didn't see me in it. I directed it. You didn't see me in it. I created it. You didn't see me in it. I wrote it. You know what I'm saying?

3:37 So, I'm setting myself up for the long haul. I'm not going to lie, her sound effects is crazy. I like her sound effects. .

3:46 Speaker 1: Speaker 1: Speaker 1: Speaker 1:

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3:55 Speaker 3: Speaker 3: Speaker 3:

4:00 .

4:01 My friends is drinking and smoking. You compromised my marriage. I got friends in the building. I got friends in the building. Say hi, baby. I'm not going to lie. Say hi, baby.

4:12 And here's the crazy thing about how you compromised my marriage.

4:15 Let me just throw that out there. No, I'm just keeping it real. Because... I'm not keeping it real because usually you know somebody.

4:23 Will come over and they'll like something will slip but the shit that he got slipping like he had just a black titty just slipping you know what I'm saying like it's just black titty out there.

4:33 It's just like and you know I like black titties so I'm like.

4:36 Just like cool it's just a black titty out there I'm like oh shit she got a black titty just out there and then You have a light-skinned white pussy.

4:44 It's just something.

4:45 Light-skinned or white?

4:47 It's two different things. I'm sorry. To me, you know, I'm half black, half Puerto Rican. I'm all the way white. Okay. But you just had it out there.

4:54 And I'm just saying, I just didn't expect Tony Rock To come through with a black jenny just hanging out there.

5:02 And then a white Gucci just hanging out.

5:05 It wasn't on purpose, but I knew I wasn't wearing underwear. And I'm very open and free as a woman.

5:09 So I'm good.

5:10 She's free as a woman, man. I have no idea what that means. Please, can you elaborate?

5:15 I'm comfortable. We do whatever we feel so well. We feel so comfortable. If you can't handle it, you can't handle it. If you do, you can't handle it. They can't get money, man.

5:28 They can't get money, man. They can't get money. Y'all better send out for some money. We can't get money here. Let me just tell y'all something. I so much respect a person being who the fuck they want to be.

5:39 1,000%. I'm definitely... What's the word? What? Show you something. Show you something. I have no idea. Show something.

5:53 Show something.

5:53 Listen, are you tired? It's okay. We want you... I'm sorry. I don't want you to... I don't want you to.

6:02 I don't want you to get arrested. No, like, I mean, I felt like you was going somewhere.

6:07 I'm sorry. Yeah, it's cool. We couldn't go somewhere right. Oh, yeah. You couldn't go somewhere? I gotta get dressed. I gotta get dressed? You gotta get dressed, though.

6:17 I'm sorry.

6:17 I'm unappropriate right now?

6:18 I gotta get.

6:19 I gotta get right. I gotta get right. So, Tony Rock.

6:26 How does a person coming from who you are right now.

6:29 All right, now... You have a unique situation. Yes. I say unique. Unique. I didn't mean to say unique.

6:37 You have a unique situation where you actually have a famous brother, right?

6:42 Yeah. That went there, made it to a certain place. Right.

6:46 But that doesn't mean that you're going to make.

6:48 It to a certain place. Absolutely. So, how do you say to yourself, boom, you know what?

6:55 Love big bro. I think Big Bro is the fucking greatest in the world. You have to illustrate because it's like Jay-Z being your brother. You're absolutely right. How do you say, yeah, Jay-Z is my brother and I love Jay-Z but I still got to be my own Jay-Z.

7:13 How does that start for you? Because.

7:16 It doesn't matter if it's your brother or your friend or a relative or just a homie.

7:20 Whatever they do is for them. You know what I'm saying? You got to be on your own path in life.

7:25 Once you realize that you're in your own lane then you don't worry about what the next man is doing good or bad.

7:31 You know what I'm saying?

7:32 So when somebody fucked up in a game, you're still like, I got to do my thing. When somebody did it, you got to go, all right, good for them. I applaud you, but I still got to do my thing. You know what I'm saying?

7:40 I concern myself with the checks that say Tony Rock on them. I don't concern myself with the checks that say nobody else.

7:45 Big Brother started before me.

7:48 Big Brother does everything first. Let's be realistic.

7:50 Big Brother was able to go in the street and play football before I was. Does that mean I shouldn't want to go in the street and play football because he already did it? Big brother was able to go on dates before me. Does that mean I shouldn't want to go on dates because he already did it? So it's just like, yo, he did it first, but that don't mean I can't do it the same or do it better.

8:04 You know what I'm saying?

8:06 But how intimidating was that? Because it's not like your brother was fucking.

8:12 Like Jack Brock's little brother.

8:14 Right.

8:15 Like your brother is. It wasn't that he was Frank Stallone or no shit. Your brother is fucking. Shout out to Frank Stallone. It's the first name popped in my head. Sorry. I'm sorry, my nigga. I'm sorry. Your brother's actually the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the blueprint.

8:28 Like he's fucking like, how the fuck, how hard is that?

8:31 Like, like I'm going to be honest. Right.

8:33 Right.

8:34 If fucking my brother was Roberto Duran, right? Because I'm Puerto Rican, right? So I just went there. Wait, are you a boxer? No, I'm not. I'm a boxer. That's the reason why. You can tell. He knows me. Are you Fist of Stone?

8:49 So if my brother was Roberto Duran.

8:53 Right? And he's the guy that's going to box and beat all this shit.

8:56 Right.

8:57 Like, I wouldn't want to box. But that's a perfect analogy. Now, watch me flip this. Okay. Let's say your brother's Mike Tyson.

9:03 Right?

9:03 Let's say your brother's Mike Tyson. And now you're a boxer. It don't matter who he fought and what he did in the ring. you still got to take those punches on your own. You still got to throw those punches on your own.

9:14 So, whatever Mike Tyson did, your brother Mike Tyson did, it don't reflect on what you do.

9:17 Even though you do the same thing.

9:19 He got knocked out in round 10 by Buster Douglas. That don't mean that you're going to lose to so-and-so in round 10.

9:27 That was his fight. This is your fight. We do the same thing, but it's a different fight.

9:32 And it's weird because only in entertainment does it seem like, you know, if it was two.

9:38 Brothers working at McDonald's, nobody would give a fuck.

9:41 If it was two brothers managing a fucking Kinko's, nobody would give a fuck.

9:45 But for some reason, there's two brothers in the industry in the same.

9:49 realm that's doing awesome for each other. Let me brag for you because it's improper for you guys to brag for each other.

9:59 Wait, hold on. Let me make sure she's still alive. Yeah, no, I respect that. We like when they come to drink champs.

10:05 We like when they come to drink champs alive and they leave dead.

10:08 We love it. We love it because... But.

10:11 You know, honestly, you guys are two brothers from Brooklyn, from New York.

10:15 And just so you know, I have seven brothers and two sisters.

10:18 Damn.

10:18 We've heard that. We've heard that. Charles, Chris, Andre, Tony, Derek, Brian, Kenny, Kwon, Andy, Jordan. But it's the two that's in the entertainment. And Baby Rose Entertainment. Oh, I didn't know that. Baby Rose is a show on Netflix called Love.

10:32 Oh, wow.

10:32 Baby Rose on tour.

10:33 Baby Rose, the fucking man. Let's bring up Netflix because they are big enough.

10:36 Baby Rose on Netflix.

10:38 And you had people on Monica. Nah, it was no beef. It was no beef. Let's explain what happened when you and Monica. I got off the plane. Monique, Monique.

10:45 I said Monica. That's how you know I'm fucked up. Listen, I got off the plane. This is the whole fucking story.

10:50 TMZ.

10:51 I got off the plane at LAX.

10:52 TMZ ran up on me.

10:54 Hey, did you hear Monique got off her... $ 500, 000, whatever. And your exact words was, she didn't deserve it. And no, Amy, she got whatever, whatever. I said, yo, I was always taught. And please, anybody in this room. Don't count nobody's money.

11:05 Anybody in this room, please tell me if you was taught differently. Please tell me. Don't count nobody's money. I was taught you never count nobody else's money. Is anybody else in here can say they wasn't taught that? Mm-hmm. You were right. That's what I was told, right? Mm-hmm.

11:16 So I never said she didn't deserve more money. I never said she shouldn't get more money. I never said Amy, she.

11:21 Was worth more. I just said, don't contact me with money.

11:23 That's what I said.

11:24 Social media went crazy. Yo, you don't love black women. You hate your sisters. You don't want her to shine. My fucking Twitter was bananas. You don't love black people. You hate.

11:38 It makes it seem weird because I'm saying with a white girl behind me but you don't love black people.

11:42 It was crazy. A big white girl by the way. Like, it's not a normal white girl. She's blackish. Yeah, she's blackish. But I never said she.

11:48 Didn't deserve, you know what I'm saying?

11:50 And then I said, when they asked me about it again in the next interview, I said if she had a real issue, don't do it on social media, don't tweet and post on Facebook, call me.

12:00 She don't have my number, but I'm sure Monique can find my number.

12:02 Oh, why?

12:02 Because Monique said that you didn't like... She was like, Tony Rock didn't support... But this is the thing, this is what I'm saying. When niggas do it on social media, you're doing it for the people looking. You don't really have a genuine problem with that person. You want eyes to see you. I don't do it on social media.

12:16 I do it in real life. If I got a problem with you, I don't have your number, but I'm pretty sure I can find it if I want to. You know what I'm saying? So, I was like, yo, she should just call me.

12:24 But in real life right now, Tony Rock. I think we'll need all the money in the world. No, no, no. I'm not saying that. Tony Rock right now. Real life. You have a budget.

12:33 $ 5 million budget. Okay.

12:38 And you got a million dollars left. I'm giving it away or I got a budget to do what?

12:41 No, you're giving it away.

12:42 Okay, I got a $ 5 million giveaway for what?

12:45 No, you got a million to give away. A budget to do a project.

12:47 You have $ 5 million, but you already.

12:48 Gave away four. Okay, I got a million left to do what? You got a million left. To do what? To hire a woman in your film. And this has nothing to do with race. A million? In your film. And it boils down.

13:04 To Amy Schumer or Monique? No, I think they both worth more than a million. So a million, I'd be like, damn. That's not the question. That's not what he asked. He's saying that's the budget and those are the two people you got to hire.

13:19 Okay, so that's the budget and that's all I got. Those are your choices. Who is Tony Rock? I would give it to Monique.

13:27 Okay.

13:28 The Role! You didn't ask the Role. Oh shit. I was just special. I was special.

13:33 It's a Role.

13:34 Okay, what's the Role? You didn't ask the Role. What's the Role? What's the Role? What's the Role? This is a dick sucker. Amy Schumer. Amy Schumer.

13:40 I'm so sorry.

13:41 Yo, Monique, listen. Let me tell you something, Monique. I think. We really love them, Nick. Like, us in the black community.

13:57 I thought people misconstrued that I had an issue. I don't have any issue with her.

14:01 The reason why we didn't feel her movement in the black community was because we're looking at your brother getting 20 million.

14:08 We're looking at Dave getting 20 million.

14:11 And she wanted us to boycott Netflix before my brother's special aired.

14:15 So, why the fuck am I going to boycott this shit when it's coming in a week?

14:19 I got a boycott, and then my brother.

14:24 My brother's especially coming to beat me.

14:27 And I got a boycott, I can't do that. I can't stand with you, bro. I'll get with you later, but I can't fuck with you right now. We don't boycott. The rock family better drop this motherfucking shit. So after that, I'm going to... What was I saying? Listen, I love Monique.

14:41 I swear to God, I do love Monique. I got mad love for you. I just didn't feel like the timing was correct. She didn't check in with the black delegation. At some point, when we protest as black people, we have to go through a delegation.

15:01 Right. And we have to go ask, like, for instance. We got to make sure all black people are with us. She ain't with it right now.

15:08 So we got to wait until she wakes up.

15:10 All right? She's clearly not with it right now. Did I go too far?

15:15 No, no, no.

15:16 No, no, but this is what I'm trying to say. She had a wild night.

15:18 And I think, I think, I think Monique, she didn't actually go check with the black delegation.

15:23 Right. And that's what happened. But now, okay. We have people like Mike Epps, right? Wait, before you go any further.

15:32 Yes.

15:32 I'm the opening act for Mike Epps' tour, so shout out to Mike.

15:35 Big up Mike Epps.

15:36 Mike could have picked anybody that would be in his opening act, and he picked me. So I got major love for Mike Epps. But big up people like Mike Epps.

15:42 When you think of Mike Epps. Dream Champs alumni, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dope ass episode. Dope ass episode. So when you think of people like Mike Epps, and you think, you say, damn, yeah, we got Mike Epps. What? My man. God damn it. God damn it. If you don't come get in this fucking podcast. God damn it.

16:02 If you don't come get in this motherfucker.

16:04 So look, so when we think of people like Mike Epps, we think, we say, damn, all right, cool, right? But there's also people who people look at as Mike Epps.

16:14 Superior.

16:14 Like up for Kevin Hart. Right?

16:19 I don't look at him as a Mike Epps superior.

16:21 I didn't say I am. I didn't say me.

16:24 I'm saying there's people like when you it's superior. I'm going to give you a better example.

16:30 It's just like me, right? It's just like me.

16:36 But when you look at certain years, I put it in a game, there's a red man that has to come before me because he came before me, right? There's a method man because he came before me.

16:48 And it's the same thing in comedy. Well, Mike came before Kev. This is what I'm trying to say.

16:52 But at the same token, the people look at Cav like a bigger entity.

16:57 A bigger... No, no, no. Listen, listen. Okay. Bring it down for me. This is what it is.

17:02 The industry will say who's bigger based on sales and tour money and movie money and all that.

17:10 The industry does that. The people will say who the champ is.

17:13 Yeah.

17:14 I would rather be the people's champ than the industry champ any day. The people say, yo, that nigga's the truth. The industry says, well, based on his movies and his tour budget and his.

17:25 They do that based on numbers. Because I'd rather be the people's champ any day. Because I recently.

17:31 What's going on, my brother?

17:33 Good to see you, my brother. How are you, sir?

17:34 We're coming to you very soon.

17:36 Let me take you... So, recently... One of the best shows that I love to watch, The Breakfast Club. Yes. Had a person that I admire. Was it Cedric? Faison. Faison, yeah. And he clearly said Kevin Hart wasn't funny.

17:58 Me, personally, I clearly disagree with him. But again, I'm not a comedian.

18:06 Right.

18:06 So, that's like somebody saying, that's like somebody, like a red man saying, Nori don't got bars.

18:14 Right.

18:14 Right?

18:16 You love red men. We love red men. And we love Nori.

18:22 But him saying he don't got bars, you have to actually critique that.

18:27 Because you're like, damn, this guy is a person we know who has bars. Right, right.

18:32 So when Faison said that.

18:35 And Kev is my man. The first movie he ever did was called Paper Soldiers. Yeah, I know your resume, man. Come on, man. You be cool, I'll be painful. Yeah, that's painful. You be cool, I'll be cool.

18:46 But when Faison said it, it fucked me up because I was like, damn, is.

18:51 There certain comedians out there that feel like him?

18:56 No, but see, this is the thing. Okay, please. Just like you said it fucked you up, Right. Because it just doesn't even seem like it makes sense to you. That's why I fucked you up, right? It doesn't. That's why I said it must be personal. I said, I said on the radio. I'm in the breakfast club. Right? I'm in the breakfast club. I see your interview. That sounds like it's personal. Right. Because I don't know two people that would agree with that statement. Right. So, this must be some personal shit. Right.

19:15 So, if it's personal and we don't know what the back story is, let us know the back story so we can go, oh, okay, so we can have a choice in what side we take.

19:22 You know what I'm saying?

19:23 If you tell us the back story and you go, this is what he did or this is what he said, then we go, okay, well, now it makes sense that he said that. But right there, to just say a blanket statement like that was like, that sounds personable. That sounds personable. Because I don't know two or three people that would agree with that. You know what I'm saying? So, something must have happened for him to take that stance against a dude that is worldwide recognized as this guy.

19:47 It just seems like hating it seems like something's going on for you to find Tony Rock this is the only part that I have to disagree with you is he actually didn't seem like he was hating he actually genuinely listen if you genuinely.

20:05 Feel that way because I genuinely feel a certain way about a lot of shit that people don't agree with If you genuinely feel like.

20:10 That, good for you. It's all good. Because the masses, this is what it is.

20:15 Social media created this whole new thing where if you don't agree with the masses, you're a hater.

20:20 Right, yeah. If you don't follow what 99% of the people agree with, you're a hater.

20:25 If you have an independent thought, you're free to have an independent thought as long as it's not against the 99% time.

20:29 Absolutely, yeah, you're right.

20:31 I have... Independent thoughts, that's always against the 99 percentile. That's why my Twitter's like, yo, nigga, you a hater. You don't like black women. You don't support Monique. Because my independent thought is its own. And I don't believe in what everybody else believe in just because they believe in it. And I can back that up. Verbally, or, you know, factually or physically if you want.

20:52 To do it. You know what I'm saying? I can back it up. So, now let me ask you.

20:55 Did your Twitter tell you that you didn't support Younique only.

20:59 Younique. I said Younique. I'm so sorry. I apologize, Younique.

21:05 But did your Twitter say that they didn't support him only because of what your brother had just got?

21:10 No, I didn't even see a lot of tweets about his money.

21:14 It was just I didn't 100% jump in front of everybody and go, yo.

21:19 Let's all fucking say fuck Netflix. I like Netflix.

21:22 I was like, yo, what I said was, first of all, I'm not going to... you know, boycott it because my brother's special is still yet to air.

21:30 Two, I'm not going to boycott it. Wait, did you say that in the same sentence? Yeah, I'm not going to boycott it because my brother's special is yet to air. Two, I'm not going to boycott it because Netflix is dope as shit.

21:39 Three, it's like, yo, Shorty, that's not my money. Why would I fight somebody for your money? When you stood up and fought for my money or fought for comics money or fought for the regulation of pay across the.

21:50 Okay, so tell me about... All right, so... But when is the time that we have to stand up? Like.

21:56 Like, when Denzel doesn't get the next Oscar award. Like, when is the time for us to all stand in unison? Because here's the thing, right?

22:05 Here's the thing, right?

22:08 You might believe in something that I might be your friend.

22:11 Right.

22:12 And I want to believe in what you believe in.

22:14 Right.

22:15 But I'm going to do it from a distance, right? Yeah, that's the problem. And then somebody else is going to believe in what I believe in. They're going to do it from a distance.

22:24 You know why?

22:25 But when is the time for us as black people to stand in your seat?

22:28 You want to know why that happens? Was it Khaled Kaepernick moment? Was it that moment? Listen, let me say something. Black people want to be... Woke.

22:37 See, it's black people that are woke. And it's black people that are fake woke. That's convenience. They're like, yo, I want to be like, I'm against this whatever, but I don't want to get in trouble for it.

22:49 I don't want to... I want to be woke at convenience. Yeah, I don't want to.

22:52 I still want to go to work on Monday. I want to be woke with my job. The civil rights movement. Let's take the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement. The bus boycott. The bus boycott was like, yo, it only works if everybody's involved. If half of y'all niggas still get on that bus we fucked. Everybody has to not get on the bus. For us to boycott the NFL.

23:14 In this day and age nobody's ready to be all.

23:16 100% we're not watching the NFL.

23:18 Nobody's ready to be 100% we're not supporting whatever. Or we're going to boycott this.

23:24 When it's 100% then that's when you affect change.

23:28 Black people in this country now let's get off the subject for a second.

23:32 Black people in this country make the least amount of money in this country. We make the least and spend the most. This is a fact. We make the least and spend the most. So, if we ever woke up one day and say yo, let's do this. A cop shot a young kid in whatever city and the cop was from what we know that wasn't justified. Let's all boycott Nike for one year.

23:56 Every black person. You know what Nike would say?

23:59 Yo, y'all better bring that fucking cop up on charges because these niggas not spending their money with us. That's how you affect a white man. You affect a white man in his pocket.

24:06 No, you're right. I 100% agree with you.

24:09 But we're not ready to do that yet. We're not ready to do that yet. Because, you know, I feel like you used the wrong example. Give me a better example. I feel like.

24:16 And we say we don't buy McDonald's for you. Yeah, I feel like that's a better example. Okay, so for one year we don't go to McDonald's. Because you know what?

24:22 Everybody doesn't identify with Nike the way we identify with McDonald's.

24:26 Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, McDonald's is a universal... I think that's a better example. But you understand what I'm saying?

24:32 I feel like if a kid died on a McDonald's block and we took that same approach because the police killed him on a McDonald's block and we said, you know what?

24:42 McDonald's didn't do nothing about it so we're going to... You know, I feel like that.

24:46 Black people are not ready to take it there. Black people are not ready to take it where it needs to be taken... in order to get change. That's what, yo, I love my people, I'm not against black people, I'm not against black women, I'm for the movement, I'm woke than a motherfucker. But y'all not ready to take it where it need to be taken to get change, to see a.

25:04 Visible, actual change in this country. Y'all not ready to go there. Niggas are too comfortable. Niggas are too comfortable.

25:11 So recently, let's not even talk about something that's so revolutionary.

25:14 Let's go. Let's talk about something that's light, lighter. Okay. Can we make sure she's okay? Let's make sure she's not dead.

25:22 Let's go.

25:22 Let's go. Getting some water or something.

25:32 So let's just, let's talk about something less light, right?

25:37 Yo, what the fuck? I'm never leaving. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just throwing it out there.

25:43 My low house people, they're too good.

25:46 Thank you so much, my brother.

25:48 So, let's talk about something a little less light, right? Jay-Z probably made one of the best albums.

25:57 Of his whole career. Family Feud is the motherfucking song of the millennium.

26:02 No, Jay-Z probably made one of the best albums his whole career.

26:05 Right. And everybody in the rap game kind of stepped up more than him.

26:11 And kind of said how annoyed we were that Jay-Z didn't even win one award at the Grammys.

26:18 What is the problem? Before you answer it, what is the problem?

26:21 The problem is we still looking for the Grammys?

26:23 No.

26:23 To get initiation? Listen, listen. Okay, go ahead.

26:26 You want to know what it is?

26:27 Nah. Do y'all really want to know what it is? Yeah, let's go. Let's go.

26:33 The record companies, the record industry is part of the demise in black society.

26:39 Mm-hmm.

26:40 They promote lean, sippin' lean. They promote shootin' niggas. Yo, how could a record company... Let's take... I'm not going to say a name. Let's take Jack's Revenue Company. How could you promote the killing of black men killing other black men? How could you say, like, that's some shit we're going to sell and package and sell and promote?

27:00 How could you do that? Because you don't give a fuck about the black consumer and the black listener. I can't actually agree with you with that. You got to agree. Listen, you got to agree. Okay, okay.

27:07 They promote drug use. They promote violence against women. They promote misogynistic lyrics. They promote gay homophobia. But if you say... How you think all the Jewish people in America did it?

27:20 Credit, that's how they did it. And that shit don't win no awards.

27:23 Because if a nigga, by any chance, if that sparks any nigga's brain.

27:28 To be on a better path in his life, we don't want that.

27:31 We want you sipping lean, shooting niggas, fuck bitches, baby mama's drama, these fuck niggas, Jordans, guns, that's what we want y'all selling. We don't want you telling niggas to buy property and stay with your wife and raise your children.

27:47 Nigga, this is against the fucking status quo. It's true.

27:51 So you're going to win no war for this shit so the next nigga won't think I'm doing it. But why is our society is, you know, whole shit is to the sore that.

28:00 Don't you think that?

28:00 No, but see this thing. That's why Jay-Z so dope. Because Jay-Z said, you know what? This one ain't for the fucking masses and for the culture.

28:06 No, no.

28:06 This one ain't for the masses and the numbers. This is for the culture. This is for the people. This one is for the people. The problem was he came to the Grammys with his wife, with his daughter.

28:16 Even his daughter told him to relax at one point. His daughter was like, relax. Yeah, but you got to go.

28:20 You got to go sit there with your badass wife and your kids and go listen. I didn't win no awards, but I got more attention in this motherfucker than anybody in here. And you also brought some loose girls. So let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. Does that like lessen my message just now?

28:42 No.

28:42 I like that you brought some loose females.

28:47 And look, she has no underwear on. I respect it.

28:50 No, nobody's saying what about it. We're just saying that we recognize you have on new panties and that's a fucking fantastic thing. I'm just throwing it out there. Like me personally, I have on boxers. It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean I'm a better person than you. Like, you might be a better person than me. I'm just throwing it out there.

29:09 Yes. But how does it work, waking up and just saying, fuck it? Okay, this is my first time in California.

29:17 Wow.

29:17 Not only that, I'm just very comfortable in the woman that I am. I'm confident enough to say.

29:21 And did you hear that in California they don't wear panties?

29:23 Oh, I didn't hear anything in California, to be honest. You just heard that, fuck it.

29:28 Everything I've heard has been the opposite.

29:29 Fuck it.

29:30 So you just go out there and go to Skid Row and let's just do it. I'm wherever. To Skid Row. I don't know what that is. I don't know if I want to be there. All right. Well, your spirit is so fucking fantastic.

29:40 I appreciate that.

29:41 We want to tell you that we appreciate you.

29:43 And I just want to say, this is not our first time meeting me and Tony.

29:46 We met at Dallas.

29:47 Yeah, we understand. So I'm just saying, you know. Tell him the story. Tell him the story. Tell him the story. Tell me a freak. Tell him the freak, Tony. Tell him the Dallas story. Tell him the Dallas freak thing about me. So I was on a date in Houston.

29:59 A man brought me there and he was a man.

30:20 A man.

30:20 I was on a date with a man, not a woman.

30:22 You never know.

30:23 So he brought me to his show, and then he was talking about relationships and being comfortable in your skin. I mentioned some men get like being penetrated in the ass.

30:37 Where is this going? I've never talked about this before. You're more than welcome to continue. Go ahead.

30:45 So I mentioned that out loud. I'm very comfortable with anything that I say. And it's very true. I've met men that like to be... Fucked in the ass. Strapped on by women. People have their own opinions about that. I've never done it.

31:01 I've never done it. But he... You've met men. And this goes back to... I've done it, but you've never done it. Well, I said it during the show. I said it during the show.

31:09 And so, no, he was like, what now? This is already a bullshit. And then so the man that I was with was just sitting there and he's in the military, but he doesn't know that. And he's like, well, you need to defend yourself. And he's over there embarrassed as fuck that some stupid girl that he met opened her mouth during Tony's show in front of everyone. So now everyone thinks that he likes to get fucked in the ass.

31:32 Tony? No, this man that I was with. No, but that's delightful I don't know. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know if.

32:04 Y'all can move the camera. Get a shot of her girl over there.

32:08 Yeah, yeah. The one that told me... The one that told me, I'm coming to get some money up there.

32:14 No, but I knew she was finished. She came out, her titty was out. And I'm not going to lie, your pussy was out, too. But it was like, pussy was out.

32:22 Like, respectful. Like, it was like, it was like, you was respectful about it. Like, take your cake, but don't touch. Like, that was hard, like, to me. But she was just like, her titty's out, and, you know, you guys just got to deal with it. I feel like, you know what? And I was just like, that's real, like. As a married man, I was like, damn, Tony Rock's putting me in position.

32:39 When I'm seeing a woman, mind that.

32:40 I feel like that matters because Amber Rose promotes all this nipple showing, like being a hoe. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like be who you are. But me personally, I feel like if you are in a monogamous or whatever you are, relationships should be exactly that. And whatever you and your partner are growing on should be exactly that.

32:59 And if it's right for you, cool. If it's not, then everyone else can fuck off.

33:03 Amber Rose is my sister so I'm just going to throw that out there and I.

33:06 Want to say that everything she says I agree with her so.

33:08 Sorry it's not that as a stripper as a woman as somebody who is sexualized 24 7 I completely see where she's at with where she's going because what I wear whether my pussy's out.

33:21 Or not I'm still a woman I still deserve to be respected and.

33:25 You deserve not to be touched too like people like you came here and it was crazy because the wind blew a certain way and And I was like, holy shit.

33:33 I was like, holy moly.

33:34 Is it pretty? Can we do.

33:35 Is it pretty? No, I'm... But I'm asking for myself. All right, let me just tell you. Let me just tell you.

33:40 There's different type of men in this world. There's ass guys. There's titty guys. And then there's camel toe guys. And I'm just throwing it out there. I'm a camel toe guy. So, like, that's who I am.

33:52 So, I was like, oh, shit. I was like, oh, shit. She kind of, like.

33:55 waved me like a superman type of way like it's like chemicals like oh shit well so yeah but like in a respectful way because i know i'm being filmed and i know i'm.

34:10 Married so but but i also had to recognize your greatness.

34:13 In your cabinet how can i not I appreciate that. Did I go too far? No, you didn't. We're respecting each other. I respect you. I just wanted to know.

34:25 And I respect the fact that if you wanted to flash.

34:27 A pussy, that shit was okay with me. It was okay with me. I just enjoyed it.

34:32 I'm desensitized to the fact that I do that for money in a club, so maybe that's it.

34:36 No, but you did it for free today, and it was fantastic.

34:37 Exactly.

34:38 It was fantastic. Come on here, friend. Did you not see it?

34:42 I'm about to be a father, so I'm staying out of this.

34:46 No, no, no. I'm going to get away, man. Like, listen, man. You can go and listen to something. You can look at something that is very pleasurable. You can look. And you can be in touch with me. You know what I'm saying?

34:58 And, you know, my wife, I love my wife. I feel like she trusts me a little.

35:04 Bit, Charlie. Maybe I'm wrong. Did we introduce him already? Yeah, let's go.

35:09 Right now.

35:10 Let's do it.

35:11 Tell him how many people you fucking managed.

35:14 You still manage the fucking industry. I'm just a humble servant, that's all. No, let's talk about it. He defers out the limo. He defers out the limo. You know, we don't have SUVs now. No. Woo, woo. Maybe not a little something. You want to introduce him? You want me to introduce him? No, you go ahead. You introduce him. Oh, man.

35:33 Listen, it was a pleasure and an honor and all that to even be sitting here. First of all, it's a pleasure and an honor to be on Drink Chance Podcast. I told you how many podcasts I watched and I gave you all moments from each podcast that I enjoyed and Fat Joe told the funniest stories, the DMX stories, that was crazy, and 50 Cent got drunk as fuck, and Puff made mixed drinks and all that.

35:56 I really fuck with this, man. I'm honored, and it's a pleasure to be here.

36:00 You have no idea. You have no idea. And I see Nori in Miami, and the last couple times I saw you was in Miami. And it's been love, man. It's been love.

36:08 It's always been love for you. My dude from a long time ago. And this dude right here, I was.

36:13 On a sitcom a few years ago called All of Us that Will Smith executive produced and created.

36:17 It was based on Luke. That's who he did. He basically managed.

36:21 Yeah.

36:22 And the Philly connection, what Will did in Philly and what he did for the city and how he like galvanized the city and, you know, the culture. I'm sorry, Tony, but I'm going to cut you off because that's what I'm known for on Drink Champs.

36:35 Okay.

36:36 The Philly dealt for your judge.

36:40 Oh, yeah. In the Meek Mill case. Said.

36:42 Said that Meek Mill should stop being managed by Roc Nation and go with you.

36:51 Is that correct? Ladies and gentlemen. I don't know. Charlie Mack. Yeah, they said Charlie Mack. Let's go to Charlie Mack one time, y'all. And yeah, I'm 100%... I don't know if this is the truth or not. This is what I'm saying.

37:09 As a media person, I have to always receive the information. But they're saying that the Philly judge in Meek Mill case said they wanted him to stop being Roc Nation and to come to you, which is Charlie Mack.

37:23 And do a remake.

37:26 Of....

37:29 Boyz II Men song? Again, I don't know whether it's true or not because I wasn't present. Okay. So, I don't know. But did you hear this?

37:36 Of course.

37:36 Everybody else heard it. Right. Of course. What'd you say? Say it again?

37:39 I said, of course.

37:39 Everybody else heard it, yeah. Right, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when did you hear it? Actually, Kaiser.

37:43 Mike Kaiser told me that.

37:45 Mike Kaiser.

37:45 Mike Kaiser told me that. Big up Mike Kaiser.

37:46 I came to the court that day and he was like, wow, Charlie. The judge said, you know, she was like shouting out your name. I was like, oh, okay, cool.

37:54 Wow. And that was because you used to manage Boyz II Men?

37:58 I discovered me. Well, I discovered Meek. Discovered Boyz II Men. Wow.

38:03 Brought Will Hare to L.A.

38:05 In 1987, 88.

38:08 Okay, you said that so humbly. I need for you to clarify when you say discovered. Discovered. Again, you sit in, taking that dust and making it a diamond, if you will. Yeah, like that.

38:20 Yeah, like that. Yeah, sure, throw them again. Throw them a couple times. Throw them a couple times. Three or four more times. Which one do you want to start with? You want to start with what? Because first of all, let me just tell you. Let me just say this. Come next year, I've been in the business 40 years.

38:33 I started at the age of 14.

38:35 I am 40 years old. Yeah.

38:36 And I'm 52.

38:36 Wow. Wow. Yeah. And you look at this.

38:38 12. I'm looking 12. The green doing something, you know what I mean? God damn, don't worry. We don't look at the green. This side right here represent the years I've been living. This side right here represent my brothers that aren't here. I lost a lot of brothers, you know what I mean? So therefore, I won't die here.

38:56 I am who I am. I'm representing that.

39:00 Let's explain how.

39:04 Because with the exception of Hope, with the exception of Puff, Will has to be our person to look up to.

39:15 Like, it has to.

39:17 Like, I don't give a fuck what it is, I don't give a fuck if you don't agree with Will's content of music, but you have to agree with Will's bank account.

39:26 I think it's bigger than a bank account. Let me finish. Now, Now, you seeing Will, to me, this is 100%. I'm a street nigga.

39:35 I'm a shooter. I didn't have shooters. I am the shooter. He's my favorite person to follow.

39:41 He's my favorite person. This nigga follows camels and kangaroos.

39:50 This nigga Will is just, he's doing different shit. He scares a guy that.

39:56 Is his friend from Bohemia.

39:59 It's fucking, do you watch Will Smith on fucking Instagram? I'm just saying, like he's one, like aside from Puff, and hove, and now when you think of the richest people.

40:12 In hip hop, we think of puff and hove.

40:14 But the problem is, we.

40:16 Don't think of will.

40:19 Can I please interject?

40:20 Okay, so here's the thing.

40:21 You said will, puff, and hove.

40:24 Yes. There's three different dynamics in that. Jay-Z will be.

40:27 The guy that came from nothing.

40:29 Right. That came from the projects and took it. I think all three.

40:32 But listen, listen, no, no.

40:33 Jay-Z will be the guy that came from the projects, from nothing.

40:36 Public housing and took it to a level that we were all like, well, holy shit.

40:40 Nobody could come from this.

40:41 Nobody could come from there and go to there. Okay.

40:44 Puff was the kid that showed the hustle. He didn't necessarily come from humble means. He wasn't poor.

40:51 But he showed if you work hard enough and you believe in this ideal hard enough.

40:55 I think if you've seen Can't Stop, Roll Stop, you will disagree with that statement. But listen, but listen. If you grind it out, work hard. And Will was the kid that was... Okay, I'm from the inner city. I'm not necessarily poor, but my vision is so big that if you work hard enough and you grind it, you don't have to be a gangster to make it out.

41:21 You don't have to be a killer to be like, I made up. You can still.

41:24 Be a guy that's like, I'm black and I represent the culture, not necessarily the hood culture or the worst, but I came from a neighborhood... I think I can say what you're trying to say a little better.

41:38 Meaning, they were used to the New York hoods, right?

41:42 Right.

41:42 We were not used to the Philadelphia hoods at all. We actually thought Philadelphia was lying. Right. But it was all as far as... You said you thought that we were lying? Like, yeah. I mean, I'm just saying. No, I'm just saying, we're talking.

41:53 Because we didn't... We thought it was a cheese thing.

41:56 No, that's a New York thing.

41:57 New York only gives a fuck about New York.

42:01 Listen, New York rap is suffering now because New York only gives a fuck about New York.

42:05 New York didn't collaborate with nobody in the South or the South. New York didn't collaborate with nobody.

42:10 In the West or the West. We was all like, yo, we do New York, fuck all of y'all.

42:14 But you got to think, though, you got the Black Mafia engine in your back.

42:18 No, no, no, this is what I'm saying.

42:20 I'm talking about for people who didn't travel outside of New York.

42:23 Got it.

42:23 When you got people who travel outside. But I think there's everywhere. I think there's everywhere. When you had people who traveled outside of New York.

42:29 New York never reached out and gravitated towards another city.

42:32 Another city.

42:32 New York has always been like, yo, we number one.

42:34 We set the bar, right.

42:35 Look what it's doing. Even the Burroughs. Even the Burroughs makes it suck. But the New Yorkers are still like, yo, the Knicks, nigga, what the fuck? What the fuck is the Knicks? Like, yo, the Knicks ain't been good in years.

42:45 But the New Yorkers are still like, yo, we ride with the fucking Knicks.

42:49 The fucking Clippers, the Celtics, the Lakers, the Miami.

42:52 Okay, see, all that and won championships, been to the playoffs. But we like this, man, Knicks, nigga, fuck this. Because we so in the New York frame of mind, we don't care about the Knicks. Charlie, Charlie, man. Yes, sir.

43:04 I'll give you an example of why I was one of the first New York niggas.

43:07 To mess with a Pharrell. To mess with a David Manning. Cash money. To mess with a Cash Manning. Because I was one of them dudes that went out of town and said, oh, these niggas, these niggas.

43:20 Absolutely.

43:21 Like, I was one of them niggas. Like, I was the first person to work with Eve. Right. Her name was Eve of Destruction. Absolutely. She wasn't even Eve. Right.

43:30 Absolutely.

43:31 She wasn't even with Rough Riders. Mm-hmm. She was with Dre in them.

43:36 Afterman.

43:37 Afterman.

43:37 And I was doing some writing for that camp. And I'm not going to tell you.

43:44 Just like Compton.

43:46 But I'm not going to tell you, but that's how I hooked up with E.

43:50 And her name was E with Disruption.

43:53 And that's the crazy shit.

43:56 See, for New York, we just, at one point, we just.

43:59 Had an eye vision of where we see forward. But now a person like me, when I started to travel and I started to see the reason why Back That Ass was working, the reason.

44:12 Why fucking, you know... Clips. Clips.

44:17 Clips.

44:18 I'm in their first video.

44:19 Right.

44:19 I'm in their first video. I'm in a grind in. And Pharrell begged me and said, yo, please, can you come here? And I paid my own money.

44:27 Right. That's why I'm pushing the T.

44:29 You ain't on this podcast, Steph.

44:30 Right.

44:31 Listen, man, I'm about to come see you. Right, right, right.

44:34 He's my friend.

44:35 Right.

44:35 It's a great threat.

44:36 Absolutely.

44:37 It's a good threat. It's a great threat. It's a great threat. But what I'm trying.

44:41 To say is, New York, we had it so much that we could have been that sport.

44:46 Mm-hmm.

44:47 Where we couldn't recognize other things. But me being an older person and me being a person that's global, because I've always been black and Puerto Rican, so I always had to have a balance to me.

44:58 I always had to be two people. So I knew that I had to be two.

45:03 That's why I'm the first person that Lil Wayne ever collabed with.

45:06 Wow, wow, wow, that's big. 1999?

45:09 I was trying to cash money, because for a while, for a stretch, they wouldn't deal with nobody.

45:14 I was the first person. And Corbega. Let me pick up Corbega.

45:19 Let me not take away anything from you Corbega because I know me and you.

45:23 Yeah, me and.

45:24 You was in that same.

45:25 But what I'm saying is we took those certain risks and. That is the reason why there's people like Busta Rhymes, there's people like Fat Joe, and there's people like.

45:37 Myself who said, you know what? We're going to be New York niggas all day, but we're also.

45:43 Going to reach outside of our normal aspect and bring in other people.

45:49 I think Fat Joe said that in the podcast.

45:52 He reached to Miami and Atlanta.

45:54 He knew that shit was bubbling down there.

45:57 That's the thing. New York has been its own.

46:00 It's worst enemy and it's best enemy. Like it's best friend and it's worst enemy. Cause New York was so poppin' at one time that we was like.

46:06 Yo, we New York. No, no, we didn't need. We don't need to reach out to y'all.

46:09 Yeah, we didn't need. We poppin'. We got the best bars. We got the real lyricists. We got niggas that really got skills in bars.

46:15 And then we didn't even take into account that it might be a nigga somewhere else that could do the same thing.

46:20 Right, right. Then when they should start a bubble, we was like, fuck out of this shit. This down south country shit on this black ass down south.

46:26 And then we had the mad rapper telling niggas, yo, nigga, yo, yo, nigga, y'all niggas can't do shit.

46:31 Come on.

46:32 Yo, Derrick, D-Dy, Angeletti, we need to know how did the mad rapper get his shit? How did this shit? First off, Derrick DiGiangeletti, let me just tell you something. We have a whole podcast of you and your producer skills and everything you did as a hitman, right? Because your legacy can't be wrapped up right now, right?

46:59 Because it's so, pause, pause. It's so big, it's so long, pause.

47:06 If your pedigree, your resume is intact, you don't never got to say pause, you ain't going to make it.

47:10 Thank you.

47:11 Listen, your pedigree is intact and your pedigree, you ain't got to say it.

47:15 This is a real big up, but... How? Let's just stay to one part of your career right now, right? Let's do it. First of all, thank you.

47:22 No, no, no, because it's so luxurious, right? Charlie Mack as well and Tony Rock.

47:27 So, I'm just... These are my brothers right here. Yo, D-Dot went to high school.

47:33 My brother Andre, I knew D-Dot since I was like 10 years old. Let me just tell you something. Charlie Mack, D-Dot, Tony Rock. I'm going to just be honest. Let me humble myself.

47:45 It's like.

47:46 All of you guys deserve an episode of us just talking to y'all for five hours by you guys' self.

47:51 I'm just saying, Charlie Mack, nigga, I was so out. I was like, it's Charlie Mack. He wants to come. Like Tony said, my daughter asked me just now, my daughter Domino right there.

48:03 She found out I was coming. She was like, so you're doing drink champs? You're doing drink champs?

48:08 I watch it.

48:09 And the other thing, I'm saying, these are two and three or four hours. We're for viewers, you know what I mean?

48:13 Right, right.

48:13 I'm saying, I want to. I'm invested. And there ain't too many things I'm saying that at this point in your life, I'm saying, you won't give that much time to if there ain't a check.

48:21 Associated to it. So, no, it's the culture.

48:26 But more so, I'm saying, y'all important to us.

48:28 You know what I mean?

48:31 It's a respect.

48:31 It's respect, what I'm saying.

48:33 It's informative.

48:33 You know what I mean?

48:34 It's real.

48:35 So, for me, I connect with that. You know what I mean?

48:37 This is what I'm saying.

48:38 All three of y'all deserve your own you know, three hour episode because I can go into each one of y'all careers.

48:45 The irony is, D-Dot invited me to do his show. That's right.

48:49 Yeah, because B-Dot, you got a show.

48:51 You got a show. We're talking. Let's get it on.

48:55 But he said, he was like, Charlie, we can't do... like a few hours which I got to do a day in the life and just on you because again it spans so far so it's not like we can get into anybody that you work with we just want to do it on you you know what I mean so I'm like you know that's cool that's honorable and I'm humble you know what I.

49:10 Mean even more ironic is like we have a history from Brooklyn before we even got into what we got into before you got into what you got into and before I got into what I got into.

49:19 Then when I got into it, I have a history with you. Six degrees separation. I'm about to take control back. We got to hear the history of the Mad Rapper.

49:34 No, no, I'm saying, and of course, in the 90s when you was out, Kobe and me were bringing you down to Philly doing your shows, you know what I mean?

49:40 So, yeah, absolutely. So I did, I did, I did. So we all family, we all family.

49:47 Yo, but, how did that Mad Rapper persona?

49:52 We all enjoyed that one. Because one, one, let me just tell you, tell you something. One thing that a lot of people don't know is at the.

49:59 Same time, when the Maverick scenario came out, you will also have the number one record.

50:06 In the world. Indeed. So a lot of people were just....

50:11 Oh.

50:12 I love it, I love it. Man, that's the style right here. Man, man. Gino, Gino, you can't save her. Muscle talk, baby. Let's go. But this is the crazy thing.

50:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:23 Give her water, please, somebody. Water and calm. Yeah, please, guys. Well, a lot of people didn't understand that.

50:31 You were playing the persona of a hurt person, a person that had nothing, but at the same time, you was on the top seven records.

50:41 Yeah, absolutely. And that started with skits first, right? Just skits? Did it start out as a skit joke? We didn't even notice. I'm going to tell you. How did it start? Well, at that time, we had the East Coast, West Coast thing going on. Remember, we were in the middle of that.

50:57 So we sitting in the studio one day, B.I.G., Puff, and Junior Mafia, and staff, and everybody, and a video come on the screen.

51:06 And it's that video that Pac had made up where he was playing big, and they were playing Puff, and I think it was called Hit Em Up. I think that was the name of it. And we sitting there like this. Oh shit.

51:21 Like, this is crazy. You know our flow from the 90s. We want to get the money, the chicks, the cribs, the cars. We don't want no problems. We come in peace, peace, peace. We come like that. Now you can't be serious. We getting ready to put up new beats. We getting ready to rock. We getting ready to rock, rock, rock. It's pandemonium.

51:45 Phone calls are being made. What the fuck is going on? And I'm sitting back like, man. This shit is for real, but we can't get involved in that. That ain't the life. I ain't living like that. I don't want to have to walk around strapped all day.

51:59 That shit crazy. I just here to make some music. You know what I mean?

52:02 So one day I just, I know how to get them back. It's like how you kill somebody with kindness.

52:09 So I'm just going, I'm going to make fun of them. Like haters.

52:15 So the Mad Rapper was a spoof of Tupac and Death Row.

52:20 It wasn't a spoof of them. It was a spoof of anybody. That was hating on us. Our energy is giving money.

52:28 We showing you room. We come in peace, fam. Think about it.

52:33 Look at us. We put on shiny suits for niggas. These are some of the realest niggas you know. Styles and Sheik. You know these niggas. This is a slow clap. Slow clap, everybody. You don't get it? You know these dudes.

52:48 These is real niggas, Mase is real niggas.

52:50 These is real live wires. And they willing to compromise. Did y'all reach out to Death Row?

52:59 Did y'all ever reach out to Death Row to try to get this whole shit when it was like at its height?

53:03 Of course we did. Really? We come in peace. We want the bread. Who reached out to who?

53:08 Come on. That right there is going to just have to stay where it stays.

53:12 Yeah. It's going to have to. That's going to have to stay where it stays. You know what I mean? Right. We don't make it to be almost 50.

53:17 Right.

53:19 With that type of shit. Right, right, right. Okay, I understand.

53:22 So where we got to the Mad Rapper was, the beauty of it was, I had used the people from the studio. So the guy that's doing the voice was Trevon Jones.

53:32 That was his real name.

53:34 Hmm.

53:34 He was Puff's second cousin or something to that effect. That was his real voice. Good morning, everyone. How are you? He'd come in every day, and I'd clown on him every day anyway. So it was natural.

53:44 And the girl who did the hi, this is Shea, she was the front desk girl. That was her real name, Shea. She just wasn't from New Rochelle. And I told him what to say, how to say it, and I.

53:55 Just went in. The actual skit is four minutes long, but we only used 45 seconds.

53:59 When the skit actually came out, and you actually understood that it was working, How was the approach of you saying, people coming back to you and saying, we got to keep this going?

54:10 I got to shout out DJ Clue.

54:12 Wow.

54:13 Big up Clue. I got to big up Clue.

54:16 I'm doing the Mad Rapper and he allowed me to put a freestyle on one of his tapes, like an interlude, but I turned it into a rap to keep it alive. Like, fuck it, it's alive. And he put a tape out and I put a verse out. And now I'm on the streets with a verse.

54:39 Okay. Then Puff says, let's do another one for my album. But this time I came with another character. Now I'm going to do, oh yeah. Now I'm going to do, oh yeah, I'm going to bring a brother now. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to bring the brother in. And I'm going to turn this into a franchise. Why wouldn't I? But we're not. You know what I mean?

54:59 That's where it came from. I'm sorry, I'm trying to stay focused. Tony Rock is very distracting. He's from all those tracks.

55:05 The Mad Rapper album is coming, right?

55:06 You ever see the Tupac movie? He said, they're going to give you all the things you need to destroy yourself. That's what Tony Rock is like. Tony Rock.

55:22 Is bringing everything you need to destroy yourself.

55:25 Yo, Raskast is in the motherfucker. Shout out to Raskast in the building. West Coast legend. Dude, what's up? Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack. Because when you think of Will Smith, right? The thing about Will Smith is.

55:45 He's a person that I would personally like to pattern myself after. The only reason why people will never say you're trying to be like Will Smith is because I was a shooter.

55:56 Because you're a shooter. That's it.

55:59 But I really wanted to be the same exact person that Will Smith is going. And the fact that I shot somebody, and it's prodigy for.

56:06 Him for throwing that out there. But... Nah. Yes. But I really want to... With the music that y'all was coming with from that time... It's very true. I'm sorry. You're bringing a whole different... You're fucking up my whole thing. But what I'm trying to say is... What I'm trying to say is... What?

56:24 Will has one of the best careers of a hip hopper.

56:29 Oh, yeah, dude.

56:29 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what I mean by that is... Blueprint, blueprint.

56:32 Is nobody was mad at Will. Like, if you ever said... If you ever said, like, if Will was ever a Drake, meaning you found out somebody was writing Will's rhymes, we.

56:45 Wouldn't have gave a fuck. Like, we didn't care. Like, to this day, we heard that... Because he's bigger than hip-hop. He wouldn't give a fuck.

56:54 Yeah, no, that was during, like, after Independence Day, Ali, things like that. Because literally, we were doing.

57:03 Big Willie Styles while we were filming.

57:05 No, but what I'm saying is, you've actually manned his will even prior to that?

57:09 No, I was confident, you know what I mean?

57:11 So, Benny Medina, Lorenzo, Lorenzo Penn, Lorenzo Penn, then Benny Medina, James Lashley, and then, of course, Benny Medina.

57:22 Wow.

57:23 But me, I'm the guy with him every day, all day, every day. Again, so for me, I was just making sure your rhythm is right. Making sure you understand what's out there. What it feel like, what it smell like, what.

57:36 It taste like. Making sure there's no job ass turkeys. Yeah, of course.

57:39 And again, it's weird because I remember, I think we was on Run's house tour. And so we came back to those times.

57:45 I've recently seen Will post a picture with him and Run-D.F.Z.

57:50 All those photos are my photos. I took those photos. So all the photos, any photo that you see, Throwback Thursdays, like I'm the Throwback Thursday king. So any photo you see that Will took, you know what I mean, they had.

58:01 And then Lowell's man said, Charlie Mack!

58:03 But the thing about it was that, again, for me, I'm not knowing.

58:06 No, I did know.

58:07 I knew that this was going to matter. some years down. Will, of course, didn't want that. He was like, why are you taking all these pictures? And now, guess what? Now what matters now? And then, of course, he used to dog me out about being on Instagram, right?

58:20 Now, guess what? You can't get him off of Instagram. He's the best guy. Wait, wait. Will, he's the best on Instagram. He's crazy. Dog me out, right? Because, again, if you look at mine, I'm like the Instagram bully. Like, I'm going there.

58:30 I'm like, it was made for me because, of course, I'm taking pictures. You know, I was hanging out with, like, Howard Carmichael, Will Montgomery, Darryl Dawkins, Earl Curtin, Like this was like 70, 78, 77, 78. So for me, I've always been a fan. I've been the ultimate fan with the ultimate access. So with Will, when he decided, okay, I'm going to do this, whenever he want a picture, he's like, call Charlie. Because I got now, watch this.

58:53 He was married 20 years this past New Year's Eve. I gave him this poem that he actually wrote to Jada in 1997. You gave him this poem? No, no, Will wrote a poem to Jada.

59:03 Give me a poem, nigga. No, no, no. I need a poem, Will wrote a poem to Jada. I've been married 12 years. I need to keep it going.

59:10 You got to give me a poem.

59:11 Will wrote a poem. He gave me the poem. He gave me the physical paper. So I kept it for 20 years.

59:17 I got it actually framed last year and gave it to him on December 18th this year. Goddamn.

59:21 You know what I mean? So I'm like a hoarder. So I keep everything. I keep everything. So like when Will was nominated for the first Grammy... You're a historian as well. I have all the balance. You know what I mean?

59:30 So I just want to clarify something because you said something earlier and I want the.

59:34 Dream Chance fans to clarify that.

59:35 Yes, sir.

59:36 Because you said.

59:37 When we said Will Smith name, you said you discovered Will Smith.

59:40 No, no, no.

59:41 I took him and introduced him to me, and at the end, I gave him the first Prince of Bel-Air.

59:44 Okay, so now. That's what I did.

59:46 But was that Meek Mill when I said Meek Mill, and you said you discovered?

59:49 I discovered Meek, yes. Okay, I need you to clarify. Meek and Boyz II Men as well. Okay, I need you to clarify. Boyz II Men, right. I know. Listen, listen, listen. Charlie Mack. I'm 100% know who the fuck you are. Yes, sir. Me personally, right. But this is my job as a drink champ. Absolutely. You got to make it plain. I got to let the people understand who you are.

1:00:11 Absolutely. Right? Absolutely.

1:00:12 So, the shit that you just said, that's not no normal shit.

1:00:17 It feels normal to me, of course.

1:00:19 No, listen, it's just not normal shit. No, it feels normal to me. I'm going to tell you, I had a weird moment one time. We was in London and we was on tour. Boys of the Men, right?

1:00:28 And I was sitting there, I was like, God damn, I was like, these guys are Boys of the Men. But mind you, me and Nate grew up together. I've known Nate since he was three years old.

1:00:34 Okay. I'm with Kobe the day that Jerry.

1:00:36 West calls him in his house when he tells him, Charlotte's going to draft you, and then we're going to take you over to Lakers.

1:00:41 I'm there with him. Oh, because Kobe's from Philly as well.

1:00:43 Kobe's from Philly.

1:00:44 Okay, right. Go ahead, Charlie. Go ahead, Charlie. Charlie Mack going in. Charlie Mack is going in. Charlie Mack is going.

1:00:50 In, man.

1:00:53 He's everywhere.

1:00:53 Charlie Mac made you some good shit, go have it.

1:00:56 We'll like to refer to it as Charlie Gump, if you will, you know what I mean? So there's a bunch of historical moments of him. That makes sense.

1:01:02 No, okay, but let me just, I'm so sorry because your shit is floating.

1:01:06 No, it's all good.

1:01:07 But.

1:01:08 The new edition movie. Yes.

1:01:10 So that movie, okay, now watch this. You know the part when actually Mike meets Boyz II Men, right? That's what I was going to say. So Yaz, our man is Yaz. He played Michael Bivens, Hakeem from Empire, right? The guy in there, the big tall guy was me. And then the group, my group, Brotherly Love, played Boyz II Men. So it was like really like an out-of-body experience.

1:01:30 kind of a surreal moment from watching that being played on. It didn't happen that way. That was my son.

1:01:35 That played Mick. That was my son that played Mick.

1:01:38 So Mike actually wanted me to do it, but I refused to do it. So for me, the way it actually happened was Nate used to be in a rap group.

1:01:52 Nick from Boyz II Men, he used to be on a rap group called JDTR.

1:01:55 And so, I remember him and his family going to church every Sunday, and my brother used to make him sing Menudo songs.

1:02:00 You know what I mean?

1:02:02 I used to sing Menudo songs.

1:02:03 Don't you niggas laugh about that part. I'm Puerto Rican. He was bullying him, making him sing Menudo songs, right? All right, guys. Don't look like that. So you know there was five. If you look in the movie, it was five guys in it. So Mark Nelson actually was the original member.

1:02:18 All right, you got to talk about Mark.

1:02:20 Mark Nelson. Oh, my God.

1:02:21 It's very distracting. It's very thin fabric. It's very distracting. It's thin fabric. It's thin fabric.

1:02:27 So, Bart Nelson actually came back from California, came to Philly, he got with Nate, and then he told him he had an idea for a group. Mike was the last guy in the group.

1:02:38 Speaker 2: Speaker 2: Speaker 2: Speaker 2: Speaker 2: Speaker 2: Speaker 2: Speaker 2:

1:02:52 and he says, that's Charlie Mack, they run up to me.

1:02:55 They say, can we sing for you?

1:02:56 And I was like, sing?

1:02:57 I said, you was a rapper.

1:02:58 So you sang in the movie, when, new edition movie, that was actually you?

1:03:03 That was me, that was me, I'm saying, again.

1:03:04 Oh, I thought they sang for Michael Bibbins.

1:03:06 On the bus, on the bus, on the scene in the bus. So listen, let me tell you what happened. So again, so they walk up to me. So they walk up to me and they like, you know, that's Charlie Mack. So they say, can we sing for you? They sing, Can You Stand the Ring? I was like, God damn.

1:03:22 So Michael Bibbins is nowhere around.

1:03:24 No, let me finish, let me finish. So they sang for me. Me and Will was living together at the time in Lower Merion. I go back home at the time, Will was 19. I'm like, Will, I got this group, boys and men. They crazy, but Will's inside of his situation. You know what I mean?

1:03:36 He's young.

1:03:36 So Mike Tyson invites me to a party to play them out here.

1:03:39 I come to the party. I come to the party. I come to the party and Michael Benz is there. I said, Mike, I got this group in Philly named Boyz II Men. I said, they have seen any of y'all songs better than y'all. He said, I'll be in Philly next week at the Powerhouse. I met this guy backstage at the Powerhouse. I said, if you want to meet somebody, who would you want to meet? You want to sing somebody, who would you want to sing for?

1:03:59 He said, no audition, because of course, Boyz II Men. I said, I'm going to get you an audition with them. Meet me back door at the Powerhouse. So they came that day. Two of them stuck in the front door. I got them to 3M. came backstage, BBD was back, and they're saying, can you stay in the ring? Mike said, well, I got a deal that I'm going to do with Gerald Busby. Gerald Busby's in New York.

1:04:17 We went back on tour the next day, because you know, of course, on the birthday parties, everybody's coming in there on tour. So we go out of town, Mike takes Boyz II Men up to New York for Gerald Busby, the rest.

1:04:27 Is history, as you would say. Nice. Nice. True story. True story.

1:04:33 This nigga fucked my whole life up right now.

1:04:37 It's crazy, man. Don't sleep on Will Smith. Will Smith was street. He had bars. He had the bars before all that pop stuff. Let me tell you another thing, too. You can check this, okay?

1:04:48 Eric.

1:04:52 Ass LL, ass running. I'm talking about to date. When you say Eric, you're talking about Eric B. To date, okay? We've never took a L. And we had many fights. Okay? We've never taken a L. Not one. Not one. Not one. Not one. You hear what I'm saying to you?

1:05:07 Definitely never checked Will's street credit.

1:05:10 This is not one.

1:05:12 Not one.

1:05:13 Not one. And we've been in the game, I'm talking about just Will, 30, 32 years at this point. Okay? Number two, AL.

1:05:21 That's what I was saying when I said Jay-Z is.

1:05:24 From the hood niggas and they.

1:05:26 Recognize and they identify with Jay-Z because he's from a hood nigga, but that don't mean hood niggas and niggas that grew up middle class ain't the same niggas.

1:05:35 Niggas that grew up middle class is like, yo, I fight too. I'll fuck a nigga up too. I will bat a nigga down too. I was there, he had who he was.

1:05:43 You know what I'm saying?

1:05:44 That's what I'm trying to say. Like, niggas in middle class are like, yo, I'm not a sucker because I'm middle class. Let it be known.

1:05:51 No, but Will wasn't middle class. He grew up upper middle. Upper middle? But that's what I'm saying.

1:05:55 It don't mean a street nigga, it don't mean, like a nigga from Jay-Z, from the Projects, Marcy Projects. It don't mean, because he from Marcy Projects, that a nigga like upper middle class won't still stand up for his.

1:06:07 And fight for his and back a nigga.

1:06:08 Down for his.

1:06:09 Like Tony just said, like Tony just said, I'm saying Will's the person, I'm telling you right now, because it happened with us so many times.

1:06:14 If it's an inkling that's going down, he sucker punch you.

1:06:16 Right.

1:06:16 From the rip. From the rip. If it's a what?

1:06:19 He'll sucker punch you.

1:06:21 If he thinks that's an inkling.

1:06:22 If he thinks that's an inkling.

1:06:24 If you just get hit first.

1:06:26 If you just get hit first. Can't wait for it to go down. Can I tell a story? Can I tell a story? Can I tell a story? Will told me this story. Will told me this story. He was dating a chick in LA. He was in LA doing Fresh Prince.

1:06:39 He was dating some chick and you probably know this way better than I do.

1:06:42 He was dating some girl and Johnny Gill was dating the same girl. Okay.

1:06:46 And they was beefing back and forth, you know, like tell Will, I said this.

1:06:50 Will and Johnny. Johnny Gill was like, this is some, this is some crazy shit. And they met at some rap party. And Will said, this is some Dave Chappelle shit. I'm just throwing it out there.

1:06:56 Will told me this shit.

1:06:57 We're just going to make a comedy skit about this. And they met at some rap party.

1:06:59 I think it was like the second season of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

1:07:02 Johnny Gill comes to the rap party.

1:07:03 And Will said he took a bottle of fucking champagne and poured that shit out and had that shit behind him.

1:07:07 Like, yo, I'm going to crack this nigga in his fucking head.

1:07:08 With a bottle of champagne.

1:07:09 Well, you got to think about this. Now, watch this. Watch this.

1:07:11 Now, think about this, though.

1:07:11 You know better than me.

1:07:12 Now, think about this, though. I'm going to say I'm framing this for you, all right? You think about this. Jada's real as they come.

1:07:17 Wait, Jada. Not Jada Kiss. We're talking about Jada Pink. Jada Pink. All right, cool. The real Jada. Jada Pink. Not the real Jada. No, no, no. Jada Kiss is real. That's my brother. But watch this.

1:07:27 What I'm saying to you is that Jada, of course, as well as they come, she's from Baltimore.

1:07:31 Right. Jada's a G.

1:07:33 She also said that she was a lot. Jada married the Fresh Prince. Okay, she didn't marry no sucker. Look at her pedigree.

1:07:41 Prior to that. All thorough. You know what I mean? Pedigree is thorough. I'm saying, but they didn't marry her. She married Will Smith. Okay? So it's something to.

1:07:50 Be said for that. Right. You got to know a few things. A woman got to know a few things. That I'm saying first and foremost, you're going to take care of me. Right.

1:07:56 Secondly, I'm saying if a joke can get out of.

1:07:58 The pocket, you're going to handle that.

1:07:59 That's right. So that's proven. That ain't nothing to do with me, that's proven. He said joker. When niggas say joker, you know he's got ass. And other bitches want you. And other bitches want you. That's just it.

1:08:09 No, no, no.

1:08:10 I'm so sorry. I know your real nigga. I recognize you.

1:08:13 And I'm talking about what he just said. I'm saying every chick in the business wants you. Yeah.

1:08:17 No chick want a nigga that bitches don't want. Period.

1:08:19 And I'm saying, no, the dude in the corner ain't getting paid attention to.

1:08:22 Right. It's the dude I'm saying to everybody trying to get at. Right.

1:08:24 Okay, so again, I'm saying, it speaks for itself, but I'm saying this go on record. Never been an L on the side of the table. With the Cosby kids of rap, because that's what they were known as. Because I was, of course, the street dude. I was the street dude, you know.

1:08:37 What I mean?

1:08:38 Now, as a Philly person, and I apologize, because now I've got to bring it back to you, because at one point, it just felt like Meek was taking L's.

1:08:48 That who? Meek. Meek was taking L's? Yeah, L's.

1:08:51 It just felt like.

1:08:52 Again, that's.

1:08:53 After my time. I don't know.

1:08:55 Yeah, I'm just asking. Like, how did that feel? Because the thing about it is.

1:08:59 Well, I'm going to jump in with you. I'm saying Mika's... Again, he's proven that. Again, for me, that's the thing that actually drew me in.

1:09:07 Like, I know.

1:09:08 I'm saying there ain't nobody going to ride or bounce that beat in the way that Mika won't get in the pocket.

1:09:12 And Mika actually... You know what?

1:09:13 Let me be more particular. Let me just say... Him with Drake, once he went at Drake.

1:09:18 Yeah, again. It felt like that was a bad move.

1:09:22 That's all subject, because again, it's like Jay-Z and Nas, right? So that's about where you at and what you think. Actually, when somebody says, you know, Nori don't handle lyrics, I'm saying, if that's a person I'm saying that you're looking at, I'm saying, what you looking for? Where are you actually judging at? Because there's people that love you the same way they love Hov.

1:09:36 Period.

1:09:37 You know what I mean? So, again, the subject is based on what you love. I respect that. You know what I mean? So, again, I'm saying, I don't see Meek as taking Philadelphia and see Meek as taking Noel. Period. Right? So, again, I'm saying... But how did it feel when the world thought that?

1:09:50 Because the thing about it was, I'm with you.

1:09:55 Like, I'm with you.

1:09:56 I felt like Meek's stance was actually appropriate.

1:10:00 Right?

1:10:01 But the world felt like Meek tweeted... as opposed to rhyming. And when Drake actually rhymed that, it.

1:10:12 Kind of made him feel like he won that situation. Again, a subject. A subject. 100%. Plus, I think.

1:10:19 No, he's 100%. The Drake thing was a bigger picture that people didn't even realize. It was light-skinned, dark-skinned. It was both parents versus single mother. It was hood versus suburbs.

1:10:31 Yeah.

1:10:31 It was fucking, it was all that. It was like well-spoken. You gotta ask MC here. It was well-spoken versus a nigga from the hood. No, no, let him keep going. But listen, it was all those dynamics, dude. And you're going to agree with this.

1:10:42 It was all those dynamics, and then it was, his response was weak as fuck.

1:10:47 No, it's first. The streets was like, yo, we want you to win. Street niggas was like, yo, Meek.

1:10:50 We want you to win.

1:10:51 We waiting for you to respond to this motherfucker and kill him.

1:10:54 And then you didn't respond the way we wanted you to respond.

1:10:56 That's when they said he took a L. Correct me if I'm wrong about.

1:10:59 This, guys.

1:11:00 No, no.

1:11:00 Please tell me, please tell me. Please, please, Razz. I don't think Tony Rowe.

1:11:05 No, no, no.

1:11:06 The West Coast MC Razzcast. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait, correct me if I have to make noise for what the fuck he just said. Because you know why? It was a bigger thing. It was a bigger situation. Meaning, meaning, meaning. It was in Philly.

1:11:22 One of the most urban America's versus Toronto.

1:11:26 Who raps in Toronto? I was on tour. I was on tour.

1:11:31 As a person that be on tour, I can tell you that while I'm on tour, I'm not giving it the 1 million percent of acknowledgement than I can be because I'm on tour and I'm.

1:11:45 Going out and I'm getting my dick sucked or something. This is way before I was married. I'm sorry. You looked at me like you knew my wife. Meanwhile. I'm going out.

1:11:56 I'm doing certain things so I'm not exactly focused So when he said that, I related to that, but I knew that I was the only person that kind of related to that other than rappers. You know what I'm saying? Listen, hip-hop is a culture. Let me say this, hip-hop is a culture. Hip-hop is the way you dress, the way you talk, the way you walk, the.

1:12:16 Way you interact with people. So while I'm not a rapper... I am from the hip-hop culture.

1:12:22 So I am a hip-hop artist, although I'm not a rapper.

1:12:26 I am a hip-hop artist.

1:12:28 Do you give Meek a little bit of credit when he says, yo, I was on tour?

1:12:33 I fully understand that. I understand that, man. It's me. Not just that, I'm saying I'm dealing.

1:12:37 With it firsthand. Not because you're from Philly. No, no, I'm saying I'm dealing with it firsthand, so I know it's processed. He's a person that will live... die, eat, sleep shit in the studio, right? So if you can't get in there and do what you do, I'm saying again, if it's mine somewhere else, it's mine somewhere else, period.

1:12:51 That's just what it is. What happens to the general public? General public is, I'm saying, demanding some of you. But again, general public, you don't have to handle it. So whatever you say out your face, it's always fire, so you gotta make.

1:13:01 Sure there's fire, period. There's a court of law and there's a court of public opinion. Let me say something, let me say something. Let me drop the joke, let me drop the joke. You got to prepare for war and time of peace, right? At all times.

1:13:15 Absolutely.

1:13:16 So if you're not prepared. Right, because don't go in battle. Right, so basically when you go into negotiation, if you ain't prepared to get up and walk away. But that part, you lose it because he actually started the battle. That's my point. He actually initiated it. That's my point. So you went into war unprepared.

1:13:32 With a motherfucker that got bars.

1:13:36 Up here already. Okay, let me get in there. No, let me say one thing and I'm going to pass it to you. Okay, go ahead. I'm going to say one thing and I'm going to pass it to you.

1:13:43 The one thing was, Drake's whole thing was, you say something to me and I'll never get a reply for it. That was like one of his, one of the famous.

1:13:54 The.

1:13:55 Thing was he made two songs before he made one. Right, and I was going to say that. His most famous shit, you diss me and you'll never get to ever apply for it.

1:14:04 Okay.

1:14:04 So Meek wasn't like out of his mind to say something and think.

1:14:09 Oh, fuck it, he just... Yeah, but okay, now let me say this. Now, let's do the rap, because rap... Let me introduce you properly. Yeah, rap is a proper... Let me give you a proper introduction, guys. One, you're one of the lyrical giants. Thank you, bro. One, you're a fucking.

1:14:23 You're a person who understands lyricism, and you're a person who understands, with no disrespect to any of us here, and I'm putting me in the same category, you've been in lyrical war with some of the biggest people in the game.

1:14:39 So now, I need to hear your analyzation. I was going to say this. Drake has one thing, the same thing when Cannabis got into it with Elle. If you don't have two in a chamber, you already lost the fight. So you're going to do one, it's called a fairy. I'm going to say some shit first, if I'm going to start it. But I'm going to have something already in response to what I already know you're going to say about me.

1:15:02 You better be prepared. So you got to have a knife, then you got to have a machete.

1:15:05 I'm going to jab you with the knife, so you're going to come over to me thinking I still got the knife, then I'm going to pull out the machete and chop your head off. So with Meek, who I feel is... You kind of said some funny shit. You was like, projects, dark skin. I'm like, Drake is light skin niggas. Drake is Canadian niggas. Team light skin.

1:15:25 Team dark skin. Team dark skin. Team dark skin. Team dark skin.

1:15:37 You realize that was a real dynamic on the beat.

1:15:42 Look, all the basketball niggas is delighted. I'm telling you, it was a little bit of a war going on.

1:15:45 I was like, nigga, where's the Wesley Snipes? Nigga, where the right niggas at winning? So Drake was in a great position. And honestly, Meek went at him and wasn't prepared. Nobody cares about I wasn't ready. If you wasn't ready, nobody cared.

1:15:59 To this day, nobody's down with Meek Miller.

1:16:05 Why don't nobody care with the credibility?

1:16:09 That's never going to change.

1:16:10 Are you ready to do a bad fight? Explain why nobody don't care if you're not ready.

1:16:16 We live in a social media world. Everything is instantaneous. I can get out here right now and get ahead of everybody and make up a story. And until you can, once it goes out, it's kind of hard to put the two pages back in the tube. So, dude went out and then Drake, then he finessed him. He did the, he made club party disc records that the chicks could sing to.

1:16:36 It was a fucked up design. He was smart on it.

1:16:39 And I don't know Drake like that. I don't know Meek like that. I'm a student of this game. Some people have more interpersonal relationships with him. Drake got a team, nigga. He got seven niggas helping him come up with a couple of bars. You know what I'm saying? This is writing camps now.

1:16:55 Plus, plus, plus. I mean, you'll get no pass for that.

1:16:57 If I'm here to tell you a reason about some of the greatest rappers that have bars written for them, I'm only 50 years old.

1:17:09 Tell me if you agree.

1:17:11 Tell me if you agree or disagree.

1:17:17 Tell me if you agree or disagree. We don't give a fuck if you ready or not. We're the fans.

1:17:22 We want you to be ready. We're the outsiders. We're the outsiders. You should be ready.

1:17:27 It's going to make a difference if you got one guy writing versus ten guys writing.

1:17:31 That's why I said one guy. But the fans don't care. And the fans don't care.

1:17:36 They just want you to have that scene ready in October.

1:17:40 It better be the hot record. Right as yourself, I'm saying, if you don't have the time to do it, the fans don't care. It's the comments out there. It's the comments out there. And the fans don't care.

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1:17:54 Speaker 1:

1:17:56 jiggy with it. He did it right. And then he said, nah, I should have wrote more. That's his opinion. Again, subjective. Subjective. Okay. So, how did you feel? How did you feel when you heard him Say that? Say that. I was there. Okay. I was there. So you knew, you knew that. I was there.

1:18:41 I'm saying, but Will's not going to like, but again, he's making men in black, he makes an Ali. I'm saying he was doing one of those movies at the time.

1:18:47 You know what I mean? I would let Nas write my shit too. All day. Guess what? I'm saying that Nas ain't upset about it. Will ain't upset about it. And again, at the end of the day, I'm saying, what does it matter?

1:18:56 I'm making Ali.

1:18:57 If I'm playing Ali, Nas, please write my shit.

1:18:59 Not only that, I'm saying that record right there, that album right there, was Will's biggest album to date.

1:19:04 Can I ask a question? Let me ask a question. If I'm in a room, and I'm.

1:19:09 Sitting in a room, Jay-Z, Memphis Bleak, Beanie Siegel, Young Chris, Young Chris, Stout Peter.

1:19:18 And every day we're in the room with these guys.

1:19:21 Do we logically think, as grown-ass men, that nobody in here sometimes is having a.

1:19:30 Problem with this particular beat.

1:19:32 It's not different. It's no different. This is called production. It's not called, may the best man write the best verse and you win that way. I don't know, there's no rule book to hip hop.

1:19:46 I'm hip hop. There's no rule book. That's not true. I'm going to tell you this.

1:19:49 Probably around late 80s, 90s, that's when I think all the ghostwriters started coming in, right? Because early on, it was based on You've been able to write.

1:19:57 You know what I mean?

1:19:58 No, no, no. No, no, no.

1:19:59 You think about it. You think about it. You think about it. Let me just tell you. Let me just tell you like this. Let me just tell you like this.

1:20:05 When you're considered top five, you can't have negotiation.

1:20:10 No, no, no. But when does it change from.

1:20:38 A nigga helping you write, or a bunch of niggas.

1:20:41 In the studio, and one of them go, here's an idea, and you go, yeah, I'm trying to attack that. Listen, when I'm on stage, when I'm on stage, when I'm on stage, it's Mad Comics in.

1:20:52 The room, and one nigga go, yo, here's an idea, son, when you said this, you could have said that. That nigga didn't write that shit. I had the idea, and here's the idea. When does it come from ghostwriting to, No idea, man. Yeah, no, I would keep it real honest with you. But what if the way he told you to write it, Godfrey wasn't funny when you wrote it.

1:21:08 And the way he told you made it funny. That's not possible. That's not possible. So now you're taking it out of context.

1:21:13 I'm saying to you, what if Normie said something and we liked it, but I said, say it this way, and all of a sudden that's the most memorable line there is.

1:21:20 Right.

1:21:22 Where does it come from? What is that?

1:21:23 I didn't write it, but I made it.

1:21:27 The most memorable life, he did it.

1:21:29 But that's a lie.

1:21:33 What I'm saying to you is your greatest rappers have done it.

1:21:39 I'm agreeing with you. I'm agreeing with you. I'm agreeing with you. They've stolen, they've got it handed to them, and they borrowed. They're all publishing checks. They all have done it.

1:21:49 Absolutely.

1:21:50 Of course. So my point to you is. Not all.

1:21:52 Not all.

1:21:52 Quincy said Michael did not. I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying they're going, they're saying, go sign up. I'm sure there's a lot of people that are going to hit me and say, yo, Doc, I ain't never had no money. And that's fine. But you don't get an award for that.

1:22:06 Right?

1:22:06 What if you're whacking the whole other shit?

1:22:09 The difference with D-Dot is saying, I think the difference with you is saying is, you're saying if a hit record comes from anywhere, it comes from anywhere, right?

1:22:17 But I'm also saying, I'm also saying if I coach you to become the greatest, you didn't do no D-Dot.

1:22:25 That just produces other writers.

1:22:27 Another writer can help you become, another rapper.

1:22:30 Can help you become better. You don't think Jay got better by sitting next to this man? Well, by sitting next to Ben. I mean, sitting next to Ben? Yeah. You don't think so?

1:22:38 Okay, so you don't think, so let's, I'm just taking it, let's go next time.

1:22:42 You don't think that next time while he's sitting to him, I might... Take that and put my own guy. You got to remember. I'm going to give it to you.

1:22:52 The thing about it is I'm 100% agree with you. I'm 100% that me sitting next to the studio with Nas made me step up to write my part of Body in the Trump. But he didn't write it. He didn't write it. He didn't write it.

1:23:06 It was I did. It was an idea. To believe you.

1:23:09 I can 100% tell you, what you just said, it made me a better person because I sat there and when I.

1:23:14 It's influence. It's influence. It's influence.

1:23:17 It's influence.

1:23:18 It's a different thing from me saying.

1:23:22 I'm motivated because Nas is in the studio and now Nas is saying, here, you say this.

1:23:27 Once you say you... Once a nigga say, here, this is your shit, you say this, now I'm not that artist. I haven't became the person that I... Stayed on the mountain to be. Stayed on the mountain to tell these people that this is me. Once a person does that. Absolutely. And I've done it. I've done it. Like, where I gave my actual lyrics and gave it to another artist.

1:24:01 And another artist said, you know, you know, I got to tell you this line and this line because they.

1:24:06 Didn't want to be me.

1:24:08 Exactly.

1:24:08 There we go. They didn't want to be me.

1:24:10 And the crazy shit is they're saying, no, we're not going to take your vision from you. Like Pun gave me, you came up, what, what, make it happen. What wasn't in there? He said, you came up. And I put, what, what, make it happen. From rapping on the car to possibly going, I put my other lines in there just to say, I wanted to know. Even though you put that in a position, but I want my own publishing.

1:24:39 And I'm saying nothing wrong with that I'm saying to you there are rappers throughout history that have written their own shit and they get all the props what I'm saying to you but I don't know when the rules like when the.

1:24:53 It's blur man it's blur the.

1:24:54 Rule that comes in that says You're in this category you lose credibility because someone else This is when it started.

1:25:10 It was first of all there was personal responsibility and rap you had to be the nigga you said Before you even got in the studio because it comes too much fucking money you don't know me or your fucking friend.

1:25:22 And that was fucking playing some sport.

1:25:24 I don't want to cut you off, but you see what you just said? You isolated a certain section of rap. You generalized the rule. You generalized the rule that didn't apply.

1:25:35 We had Dana Danes.

1:25:37 We had niggas making records that weren't for trying to portray who they were because this.

1:25:42 Is a real project, dude.

1:25:44 This is a dude from Fort Greene Project, but just decided to make novelty records.

1:25:48 So now, that's what I'm saying. But that don't define him as a man because of the type of.

1:25:54 Records he made. Don't define him the records by that they gotta be that nigga.

1:25:59 And I'm saying that's fine. That's fine. You jumped past what I said. You just made everything.

1:26:09 That's not what I said, bro.

1:26:11 I said back in the earlier stages of this shit, somebody had to invest, and it was not no record company. It was within us, within the confines of what situations we had. But you had to be who you were. So even if day to day was just... Dana, Dana, Dana. When it started, it had to be like, listen. When it started, who was who they was? Listen, listen, when it started.

1:26:32 Furious Five was wearing sevens out of their eights.

1:26:36 That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was.

1:26:45 That's what it was. First it was I'm just so cool. I got a fucking Credit card says I wish you would.

1:27:07 I got a fucking little outside.

1:27:11 Yeah. It was so cool. Then it was, then it was, then it was, I'm so rich. I can do this. I can do that.

1:27:17 I can take your bitch. Then it was so, I'm so gangsta. Then it was, yeah, I'm black power. Then it was, I'm so gangsta.

1:27:24 I'll fuck you up. Then it was, I sell drugs. I shoot your moms. Then it was, nigga, fuck bitches. We don't give a fuck about nothing. And then it turned into, I'm emo and I buy bitch everything. Exactly. I'm soft as fuck. Exactly. We just said that. We just said that. It wasn't black power. It wasn't black power.

1:27:39 They were called the Native Tongues. Native Tongues.

1:27:43 African.

1:27:43 I was black power. I was two kings and a cypher.

1:27:54 That was my flower. They weren't preaching to you. They weren't dropping the juice. Some say y'all categorizing like we all had to portray who we really were. When I tell them you're waking up every day, I got a man who's wearing a fez with me. He ain't wearing that fez to go to the fucking store. Furious Five wasn't wearing the feathers and the belts to go to the store.

1:28:15 It was costume. Dang it, but... Hold up, hold up, hold up. No, no, no.

1:28:20 You're taking it into the performance category.

1:28:24 Earth, Wind & Fire wasn't wearing fucking black suits. They're not rappers. They're not rappers. Y'all put the rules on the rappers. Y'all put the rules on the rappers. Y'all put the rules on the rappers. Performance was different. Y'all put the rules on the rappers. the rules on them.

1:28:41 I love it.

1:28:41 I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

1:28:43 I love it.

1:28:44 I love it. I love it. I love it. I'm saying lyrically, how you been rapping.

1:28:52 Even when we think of gangster rap, what's my man that robbed a bank?

1:28:58 Steady B. Steady B. Cool C. Cool C. Doing life. Definitely. When we think of gangster rap, we immediately think of New York. .

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1:29:24 .

1:29:32 But listen, but listen, but listen, but listen, but listen, but listen, he also told me, but listen, it didn't resonate in New York City, but we thought it was a better option.

1:29:43 The West Coast got it. We heard Spoolie G, we heard Spoolie. No, no, PSK, PSK was everywhere. It didn't resonate with us until... N.W.A.

1:29:53 Came on the.

1:29:53 Yo, Tony Rock is a real hip-hop man.

1:29:56 It's a hip-hop story. It's so easy.

1:29:59 He said, what about the bitch that got shot?

1:30:02 Fuck her. He was like, oh shit, these niggas is crazy.

1:30:05 Listen, tell me, every time before I see somebody about to come.

1:30:08 On, you know, um. Um, drink champs.

1:30:17 I like go in, I investigate them.

1:30:19 And I'm really, you're really a hip hop guy.

1:30:21 Niggas, like, you know, like, like I'm so proud. Like everybody else, I lose. The greatest hip hop song I ever heard. My brother had a party in the basement.

1:30:31 Of our house. And who's your brother? My brother's Chris. Who's Chris? He was a DJ. He was a DJ. He was a DJ.

1:30:39 His name was, uh, fucking, uh, DJ, uh, we need to know.

1:30:43 Something like that. DJ, uh, snap back, something like that.

1:30:47 And we had a basement, we had a party, we had a party in the basement of our house.

1:30:51 We had a party in the basement of our house.

1:30:53 I snuck downstairs into the basement and I listened to a 45, a 45 of Run DMC Suck MCs. It was the greatest thing I've ever.

1:31:02 Heard in my life. You know how your ears, you know how some shit has, it doesn't even register in your ears because you've never heard that like that before?

1:31:08 So my ears was like, what the fuck is this? I've never heard that like this before. And Run DMC to this day is the greatest fucking rap group of all time. So that day on, I've been a hip hop historian. Not a fan, historian. So why did you run DMC?

1:31:21 One of their whole records, they rap what's the name of the whole verse. That's all somebody else's verse. Are they still the greatest rappers?

1:31:28 They are the greatest rappers. Wait, wait, wait. The Joe Aerosmith you're saying? Tell him I'll do that. Walk This Way is not the arrives. They took the original record and racked it. Let's go. Did you know that? Like Jay-Z said, I didn't cross over. I brought the street. Walk This Way does not run DMC writing.

1:31:46 They took the original record of Walk This Way, the Aerosmith version, and put it into a rap.

1:31:52 Okay, what's Jay-Z's lyric? I didn't cross over, I brought this... Are they the.

1:31:57 Greatest thing to do it?

1:31:58 They used some of Aerosmith's words and made a.

1:32:01 Record out of it. What do we say to that? What do we say to that? I don't know. I know you won. I just don't know.

1:32:14 We can't judge no hip hop. No, there's no category.

1:32:27 There's no category. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, you know what I'm saying?

1:32:32 If you claim to be one of the greats, you cannot be a GOAT and.

1:32:36 You don't care. So, so, so, so, all right. So me and Charlie Mack, right? Me and Charlie Mack. There's one thing we do this all the time. Me and Charlie Mack discuss.

1:32:45 One of Charlie Mack's favorite MCs of all time is Melly Bell.

1:32:49 No, the, the favorite. I'm talking about recent. Recent is Kanye West.

1:32:54 Yeah.

1:32:54 Okay, like that. Okay. No, no, no. I'm going to turn the mic around. I'm going to turn the mic around. No, no, no. I'm saying to you.

1:33:04 I'm talking about in terms of the lyricists, there's a difference.

1:33:07 Kanye West does not write as he does. Is that a fact? No, no, absolutely.

1:33:11 I've never heard him considered one of the greatest lyricists.

1:33:16 Not to me.

1:33:16 Never.

1:33:17 But is he considered one of the greatest lyricists? No, no, no. Dot, dot, dot. Dot, I say rapper. All right, he's saying lyrics. It's a difference. It's a difference.

1:33:27 No, that's a difference. If I did top five lyricists, it's going to be the ones that wrote, the five ones that wrote their lyrics.

1:33:34 No, but listen to him. So he went from Jay-Z to his five. No, I wouldn't. See that?

1:33:38 No, because I'm saying again, I'm saying reason being because again, there's lyrics, there's lines that you love from him that was written by somebody else.

1:33:46 I'm saying it's not a big thing. Everybody knows that. He says, I'm going to.

1:33:49 Begin with it.

1:33:50 I said Jay-Z.

1:33:50 No, no.

1:33:52 There's lines that you love from him that he didn't write.

1:34:04 There's a site. There's a site. No, I'm saying pull it up. No, pull it up.

1:34:10 I'm saying there's lines that you love from him that he didn't write.

1:34:15 Hold up. He's not saying somebody ghost. He's not saying ghost writing.

1:34:21 Let's do this. Listen to what he's saying. Let's do this. Rapper, rapper. Producer.

1:34:29 What's the criteria for the greatest rapper of all time?

1:34:33 There is none. You got to watch your shit. There is none. You got to watch your shit.

1:34:37 Everything three to six degrees got to be authentically you.

1:34:40 Wait, wait, wait. There's rapper and there's MCs. MCs. What's the criteria for the greatest MC? The pin game. The pin game. The pin game. Describe the pin game. The pin game means.

1:34:50 Rakim.

1:34:50 Rakim. Rakim is the pro. It's like Nas.

1:34:52 Nas.

1:34:55 Scarface, Beans. Scarface. There's so many. There's a lot. Andre. Andre. How do we not know.

1:35:03 Somebody else gave them an idea?

1:35:07 How do we not know somebody else gave.

1:35:10 Them an idea?

1:35:12 So what's the criteria with.

1:35:14 No ideas, no input? How do we know that?

1:35:22 I'm saying to you, everybody's inspired by something.

1:35:32 Exactly, I was just about to say. What's the criteria?

1:35:35 Again, I'm saying, guess what, I'm able to look at you, and guess what, I'm painting a painting. I'm saying I'm not the most amazing painter because I look at you and I'm inspired by what you're doing.

1:35:44 Period.

1:35:44 I still got to do the work. I still got to do the work, but I'm saying I'm inspired by what your life is.

1:35:50 Again, that you're able to pin it. Right. That you're able to pin it. Even if you may.

1:35:54 Not be able to pin it. Even if somebody gave an idea?

1:35:56 No, it don't matter. Life is an idea. So let me share one thing.

1:36:01 I used to be in the studio with Dr. Dre, 2000. Eminem is just now coming around. No, this is before him. And one day, Dre said, you know what's funny about you? He said, I didn't know this about myself.

1:36:15 He said, you fucking.

1:36:17 all your conversations And within an hour or two hours, we hanging out, you hear a beat, and then you write about everything that we just talked about.

1:36:24 I was like, I didn't even know I do that. He's like, you a ill nigga. Like, you soak up. You absorb it. You absorb it. That's what I do. That's what I do.

1:36:32 If you guys gonna say some funny shit, I'll be like, that's a bar.

1:36:35 But everybody. That's what I do. Yeah. That's what you do. I go in the barbershop.

1:36:41 And I go, yo, what y'all think about this shit that happened in the news today?

1:36:45 And I sit back and talk. Look at Cole.

1:36:47 Like Kobe, Kobe's whole get down is Michael Jordan.

1:36:51 He had to do the work. That's what all creative people do. Based on what you said, based on what you said.

1:36:57 All the lyricists we know, I'm talking about super lyricists we know, from yourself to whoever you consider, because everybody's top ten is different.

1:37:08 What I'm asking is, if you.

1:37:10 Can literally tell me that you can create a criteria. You can't get something from nothing.

1:37:15 Huh? This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.

1:37:17 If you could create a criteria that all of these guys would be able to fit into, and then you can judge them from that.

1:37:24 So, for example... I don't know who your top five is. I don't know who everybody's top five is. I don't got a top five. I mean, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, you got a top 20.

1:37:34 You got a top five, you got a top 20.

1:37:36 Right.

1:37:36 I can't have five because I'm just dead.

1:37:39 But see, that's my point. That's my point. Are you just throwing 20 on the table? I'm not gonna tell you why, because... No, I'm saying.

1:37:45 Are you throwing 20 rappers on the table, or are you throwing them one through 20?

1:37:48 Oh, no, I won't.

1:37:49 No, that won't be in any order. In no order, in no order. I'm saying, I'm saying, if the criteria is three things, let's just do three things. Lyrics, originality. The stage press, yeah, the delivery on stage. Absolutely not. My kid was the most boring rapper and that's my man to death, but we, come on. He's boring. He's boring.

1:38:09 He's not boring. He's not boring to you? What's your criteria? When he listens to him, you see it.

1:38:20 When he grabbed Mike and I'm pointing at him.

1:38:23 This is my man. Joaquin is my man to death. But he never took the time to create a man.

1:38:30 A stage show. A stage show.

1:38:31 No.

1:38:31 Mike said, how do y'all forget that, man? Wait, wait, wait.

1:39:00 I think if we accomplish anything, we've actually accomplished nothing.

1:39:04 Art is subjective. Exactly. I said, what's the criteria? What's the criteria?

1:39:11 We established that we cannot because each person has their own criteria.

1:39:15 Okay, let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Lyrically. Go.

1:39:19 Who?

1:39:19 What?

1:39:19 Lyrically. Just one criteria. Lyrically. I don't understand what you're saying. Who's the best lyricist? Go. Oh, mine's really bad, period. For me? Yeah. It's Jay-Z. Go ahead, Hal. Nas.

1:39:41 KS1.

1:39:42 For me, it was Big L. Nas. Somebody's moaning. I ain't moaning at all. I'm going to say Nas. So it's all subjective. It's all subjective. It's about where you are in your life.

1:40:00 Let me tell you something.

1:40:03 And I apologize.

1:40:03 And I love you guys. Everybody, I love every speech that you guys spoke about. It's a super butt. It's a super butt. And the thing about it is, right? It's like I could never live your life. Meaning, I could never produce.

1:40:21 I could see music. I could hear it. But I can never press. I can never press a button. But I ain't producing. Pressing buttons ain't producing. You know what I'm trying to say. I can hear comedy. I can see it.

1:40:38 But I can never actually perform.

1:40:39 Richard Pryor got written for him, by the way.

1:40:42 He's considered the greatest. He is the greatest. He got jokes written for him. He got jokes written for him. It's either yes or no. He's the greatest. But he's considered the greatest. How are you going to do that in comedy?

1:40:55 Somebody goes yo, that's when you said that you could have said this.

1:41:13 Isolated to.

1:41:30 You see?

1:41:31 You see? That's the only one. That's not a fact. It's a fact.

1:41:33 It's a fact.

1:41:34 It can't be. It can't be. It is a fact. Okay, wait, wait, wait. He wanted to be Will Smith. He just said, we don't consider Will Smith real in hip-hop. No, he didn't say that. He never said that. He never said that. No, no, he said he wanted to be commercial, right? He wanted to go that route. How do we think about that?

1:41:49 How do we think about that? He wanted to be commercial, but he's shouting at you. How do we think about that? How do we think about Will Smith? Yeah. Some people did Some people did. .

1:42:20 .

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1:42:31 .

1:42:32 Eminem told me and Jeff and Will to his face, the only reason why he even rapped was.

1:42:40 Because of Will. No, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm not saying, I'm saying.

1:42:43 Will made him realize that you don't have to be from the fucking hood to be able to do this.

1:42:49 This is a hard fall. But he was from the hood. He was from the hood.

1:43:00 On record, there's battles that wills battle. He hasn't lost a battle yet. I'm talking about on record.

1:43:05 Okay? So let them know.

1:43:06 Let them know.

1:43:07 And the battles he's had, he had memorable, historical, legendary battles.

1:43:11 And guess what? He's won all of them. He's in. All of them. No, I said all of them. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. I'm talking about on the record.

1:43:21 On the record, I'm talking about he's never lost a battle. Check the record.

1:43:26 So, Charlie Mack, I just wanted to say this. This is the analogy I'm going to give you, D-Dot. Three. So, if we're going.

1:43:32 To a basketball game and I buy a shoe and it's called Air Jordan, right?

1:43:36 If you go to a basketball game and you buy a shoe and you go to the basketball game.

1:43:39 I'm just trying to. Because you're going to the basketball game and you just buy your shoes. So, I wanted to. I like Michael Jordan. I buy these Jordans.

1:43:47 But if Jordan was on the court and then a little nigga from Tokyo jumped out his back and did all the dunks, I don't want the.

1:43:53 Jordans no more. That's what rap is. Right.

1:43:55 If I find out there's seven little niggas copping out of your back, if you find out, if you find out.

1:44:02 It's the key.

1:44:03 If you find out, it's.

1:44:05 The key word. If you find out, it's the key word. You know who you should have on here, Normie? Sauce money. Don't we know right now? We showing our age. We showin' our age.

1:44:29 In the age that we are, if we heard a nigga didn't really write the lyrics he wrote, we would be fuckin' blown away.

1:44:35 Speaker 4:

1:44:40 .

1:44:53 That a nigga you really respected in our age In our age, if we heard a nigga didn't really write what he wrote, what he said, we'd be going away.

1:45:18 But in this same age, I didn't drink it myself. You're like, no, no, no. You have Rick Ross who didn't drink it himself. Well, he was really a cop, but he told a drug dealer. He's like, whatever. We're different age. We're different age. I'm telling you why. We are different age.

1:45:39 The first time we ever heard about somebody not drinking was, I'm saying, really on a national level was drinking.

1:45:45 Everybody was stuck. Because we were stuck. That's not the truth. That's far from the truth. If you ask John Hill for money, he wrote everything for his partner. Listen, he wrote everything for.

1:45:57 Nobody's arguing that Jahlil was the.

1:46:07 Greatest rapper of all time.

1:46:12 You said Jowell and Houdini. Nobody's arguing that he's the greatest rapper. Who the fuck are they?

1:46:18 Nobody's arguing that MC Lyte is the greatest of all time.

1:46:22 Writing has been going on since... Since 1970, whatever. The first book that we loved. Actually, no, you're correct. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. Because I'm going to tell you something. Watch this. Kaz wrote Big Bad Hanks. lyrics on rap.

1:46:48 But nobody's arguing that he was the greatest of all time.

1:46:52 Who, Grandmaster Cash? Yeah. Who's that? Who's that?

1:46:57 Who's that?

1:46:57 He's not the greatest, but he's in my top 20.

1:47:01 He's in my top 20. He's in my top 20. He's in my top 20. He's the logo of why we do this.

1:47:07 Yeah.

1:47:11 D.M.C. changed his name.

1:47:14 But nobody said his name just now.

1:47:16 No, we didn't say a lot of people's names just now.

1:47:20 D.M.C. from Run D.M.C. changed his name to D.M.C. because of G.M.C. G.M.C.

1:47:26 Is the logo for every rapper. He still looks like this to this day. But nobody said his name just now. Big Daddy K, Cool G Rap, if you ask, and Cool Mo D.

1:47:38 Yes, sir.

1:47:40 Grandmaster Cash.

1:47:41 You're not going to do this with D-Dot on the northern show.

1:47:44 You didn't say your name just now.

1:47:46 I'm going to be your head. I am Brooklyn Hitman. Nigga, I'm going to run a corner from you, nigga.

1:47:52 I know, nigga. I'm going to run a corner from you. I'm from Bay Ridge, Ralph and Howe, and Fennelmore, too. They came to Howe in Minnesota.

1:48:00 The nigga with the high school on Brother Andre.

1:48:04 Listen, listen, listen. Hip-hop is very low-key.

1:48:07 And all these rules these niggas apply to hip-hop don't apply.

1:48:11 No, I'm just saying.

1:48:12 So what's the rule?

1:48:13 What's the rule, bro?

1:48:13 What's the rule?

1:48:14 What's the rule?

1:48:15 This is why this is the greatest talk shop argument ever because there are no rules and there's no criteria. There's never going to be a fucking answer. In terms of the lyrics, you have to pin your rap. Everything else is questionable. Everything else is questionable. Again, lyrics, lyrics, lyrics, you got to write. To have a claim to.

1:48:36 Be one of the greatest, if you don't write it, No, no, no. You got to be one of the top five. No, you agree?

1:48:42 Huh?

1:48:43 You agree to be one of the top five lyricists? Lyricists. I give a fuck. I know I'm a top great hustler.

1:48:51 No, I said no.

1:48:53 Have I wrote all my shit? Absolutely not.

1:48:55 No, no, I said, do you agree in terms of the criteria for the top five lyricists?

1:48:59 For the great, yeah.

1:49:00 For the lyricists.

1:49:00 You have to write. Yeah, you have to write.

1:49:02 You agree?

1:49:02 You have to.

1:49:03 You agree? I agree. Doc, you agree? Absolutely not. I agree. So the room says... And let me consider a lyricist, though.

1:49:08 I think that's very specific.

1:49:10 If you consider a lyricist only, that's what I'm saying to you. That's that only. Here's my point.

1:49:16 My point is, if you break it down to just lyricists, he might be in your top five. Maybe that's okay. So then that's my point if you want to take the top That probably.

1:49:25 Can stay all over and that's literally but their records.

1:49:27 Their career might So we might.

1:49:29 Not even put them in the lyrical category because.

1:49:45 Of everything else. That's a given, we know that. How could you just do lyrics? How could you do that? That's like saying a nigga's great, but all he had was a three. He's a great three-point shooter.

1:49:58 He's a great three-point shooter, but he's not a great player?

1:50:03 The commonality of hip-hop is the amalgamation of two things, the production and the MC. All I'm talking about. I never said who had the hottest record. I never said who got the most bitches, who made the most money.

1:50:16 Who got the most Instagram followers.

1:50:20 Who sat down and pinned their shit.

1:50:22 And then the other things are other factors that actually relate to why I helped Eminem in his career, bro, before Dre met him. And I told fucking Jay-Z about him. You used the word help loosely. What does that mean? It doesn't matter because that's a whole different story right now.

1:50:38 I can tell that story later.

1:50:39 My point is, I knew a nigga in Detroit. I knew a white nigga in Detroit. I think the bad rapper came here. I understand where you're coming from.

1:50:50 But my point is, the only thing we're talking about is fundamentally... Right. So I understood that Ice Cube was dope. I love Dr. Dre.

1:50:59 I love Eazy-E.

1:50:59 Eazy-E didn't write. Ice Cube was a West Coast lyricist for me. Because he was.

1:51:04 Talking that hood LA shit. G-Rap was talking it a Queens way. And I fucked with it. New York thugs and gangsters are fucking Italian.

1:51:14 We had crips and bloods in Mexico.

1:51:17 Dr. Dre is great.

1:51:18 We can send Dr. Dre the greatest, right? You could probably stay for a fact. You heard his name right.

1:51:25 DJs make it so hard. What are you saying? What are we saying? What are we saying?

1:51:30 So to be a great producer, you had to do the drums, you had to.

1:51:34 Post the music. It's the same concept. If you get help, you get help. If you get help, you get help. Help is help. What the fuck is help? I asked you to explain help. I've explained help. Assistance. Something you didn't do. That's help. Something you didn't do. Assistance.

1:51:52 Add-ons.

1:51:54 Ad libs, things that you don't contribute, that is called help.

1:51:59 And if you have a project that comes out and there's any inkling of that help, are you still the greatest?

1:52:04 No, a lyricist. Same concept. To be continued on Drink Champs. Wait, wait, wait.

1:52:11 One question.

1:52:13 One question. So you're saying any help across the board, lyrically. He's just trying to make it complicated. He's trying to make it complicated. You're invalid. No, y'all are saying you're invalid. I'm asking you. Y'all are saying you're fully valid. I'm asking you. You're fully valid. I'm asking you. You're fully valid. Okay, I'm asking you. You're fully valid. I got stories from my own drink jams that I'm going to tell you some of the greatest names that I've had help. This was an announcement. Tell us, wait, wait. Since I won't be here for the next one, tell us a song Biggie had help on. D. Angeletti. Let it go, nigga.

1:52:52 Ain't that right, boo? Let it go. I just wrote true. But that's not right.

1:52:58 That is right. That is right. Because he needed to put something in there. I'm giving it to you on a small level. I gave you that on a small level. Because I've got my own drink channel. I don't want to say this is.

1:53:09 My own drink channel.

1:53:10 But my point is, I use that as an example that I was in the room, so I contributed. So imagine people that were in there longer with him.

1:53:21 More confidential. Time out. You're not letting me finish. That are more confidential with him, meaning that can keep more things under wraps. You don't think that a girl? I said tell me a story that Biggie needs your help with. I need to get my kids up to him. I need you too, son. I need you too, son. Want my Biggie story? Listen, here's my Biggie story.

1:53:44 I got arrested downtown Brooklyn one time. I ain't going to tell you why I did. And they had me chained to the motherfucking... bench in the fucking precinct. And I heard a commotion going on outside, and I'm like, what the fuck's going on?

1:53:58 And it was bringing Biggie in this motherfucker. And I was chained to.

1:54:01 The fucking bench, and I'm like, oh shit, that's Biggie Smalls. And when I got situated and got out, I was walking out, and people was like, yo, did you see Biggie in there? And I was like, yeah, he in there. And they locked the fuck up. But I'm going home. That was my Biggie story. That was my little Biggie.

1:54:18 No assistants? No assistants. No fuckin' production? No help?

1:54:22 You should've gave it to me so I could put it in the wrap.

1:54:26 What's your Biggie story? What's your Biggie story?

1:54:28 I was about to go that way. I got introduced to that matter.

1:54:32 Jolly Mike, what's your Biggie story? Jolly Mike, what's your Biggie story, Jolly Mike? I did every show Biggie did in Philly. Every show. Yeah, absolutely.

1:54:39 Every show.

1:54:39 The last video that.

1:54:40 You see from him, we got the soccer jersey on it from my show in Philadelphia. So every show he did in Philly, I did.

1:54:46 Period.

1:54:48 Salute. Period.

1:54:49 What's your Biggie story?

1:54:51 Matter of fact, I did Pac's last show in Philly as well.

1:54:55 What's your Biggie story?

1:54:56 Once the column was out, Flavor In Your Ear, my first record is out. I got to do a show. I'm opening up for Biggie, but he's double booked. So the nigga cuts me, does the show, murders it, and then walks out like.

1:55:15 Kill that shit, rascals. And I'm like, I can't come out. What's your biggie story? What's your biggie story?

1:55:21 Oh, I got 15 million biggie stories. The best biggie story I could ever tell you was one day, it.

1:55:32 Was the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Oh, I already like this story. And, and, um, big....

1:55:40 He actually thought he was Puerto Rican.

1:55:42 I don't know why.

1:55:50 I don't know if y'all know.

1:55:51 It was a famous weed spot called Branson at the time. Every fucking rapper in the world would.

1:56:01 Go to Branson. I remember in the raps.

1:56:03 So I stood there and Biggie um He came to Branson. But here's the funny part about it. That's not even the funny part, that Biggie.

1:56:16 Came to Branson. It was Bobby Brown. Wow.

1:56:19 And Bobby Brown pulled up. And when Bobby Brown pulled up, I was like, oh, shit.

1:56:25 We don't have enough weed. No, this is the most racist I ever felt in my life. Like, ever felt in my life. He looked at me and immediately, he's like, aren't you Spanish? I said, yeah. He said, what is the cocaine? I said, damn it. Tell me that's his story. I love it.

1:56:41 This is why Biggie's the greatest. Because I said, everybody tell me their Biggie story. Everybody got a fucking story. It don't have to do with somebody helping them write it or producing it. That nigga iconically has stories to go around.

1:56:52 West Coast, fucking Philly, New York, Queens. That's why.

1:56:57 That's why.

1:56:58 Because it resonates with the world. You know what I'm saying? And that's why nobody wrote it, nobody produced it. It resonates with everybody. Premier gave me the other Biggie story.

1:57:08 Hold on. He just made me realize the other Biggie story.

1:57:12 Yeah.

1:57:12 All right.

1:57:14 What happened was... We had did a record called T.O.N.Y. Nasheed. Yeah, Tony. Come on, come on. You telling us like you didn't hear that shit? That's his name.

1:57:24 What I'm trying to tell you is, prior to it coming out, prior to it coming out, this was a hitman production.

1:57:33 Yeah. Nasheed, Nasheed.

1:57:34 I don't want to cry. When you look at Big's last people that he called in that interview, or that movie, And he looks at people and he goes, yo, I got to call people. These last people. And Big called me.

1:57:51 Wow, bro.

1:57:52 And he said, yo, I want to get on this record.

1:57:55 I'm going to do a remix of T.L.M. Walk. Right. Mind you, my record wasn't out at the time.

1:58:01 Right.

1:58:02 So when Big called me, I was like, how the fuck you heard this? What? That's how I... Like, I didn't react, like. We all had copies.

1:58:13 Of that shit.

1:58:13 Of course, I said fuck. You know what I'm talking about. I got one for you. I got one for you. I got one for you. You know what I'm saying, listen. At that time, like, I was like, damn, this thing got my bootleg. You know what I'm saying? This might not fuck with your story. You know my brother had a show on HBO, the Chris Rock show on HBO.

1:58:31 Yep.

1:58:32 It was the season finale. He said, yo, who y'all want on the season finale? Who you want to perform on the season finale? I said, yo, you got to get Biggie. You got to get Biggie. He called his people. Biggie said, yo, I'll do the season finale, but I can't do it this week.

1:58:45 I got to go to L.A. for the Soul Train Awards.

1:58:49 Strength of Brooklyn. He said, I got to go to L.A. for the Soul Train Awards. I'll do it after that. Never came back. Never came back.

1:58:58 God bless you, man. We had the loyal mansion, my people. Yeah, let me just tell you something.

1:59:07 I want to thank you, Charlie Mack, I want to thank Tony Rock, I want to thank Raz Kaz. I want to thank D-Dot, of course.

1:59:17 D-Dot, I want to give him to this motherfucker.

1:59:29 Hold on, hold on, D-Dot. That's what this platform is. This platform is for people to be argumentative because it's no way, shape, form, or fashion.

1:59:41 I should ever agree with you in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

1:59:43 If this is how you feel and that's how I feel, that's how he feel, and that's how he feel, we should always.

1:59:50 You don't feel that way.

1:59:52 And the thing about it is, I was so happy of your opinions of the 90s. Like, you have a total different opinion from everybody here.

2:00:07 He's an architect of the 90s. So, before we get about it, you're telling us.

2:00:18 Because this is what I want to be clear about.

2:00:20 Be clear. Crystal. I don't want to ask this question, by the way. Please do. Please do. Are you saying Big High help? I didn't say Big High help. I'm glad. But I'm saying Big High help.

2:00:38 I'm saying Jay had help.

2:00:39 I'm saying Jay had help. I'm saying, grandmaster, this person. I'm saying, these guys had help.

2:00:46 Okay. Now, in what form of help? Now, this is, that's what I'm going to say. Man, y'all get into all that extra shit. No, no, that's what I'm going to say. That's what I'm going to say. So, if you make it. No, no, shit, shit, shit. You got this. This is mine. So, this is what I'm going to say. Once you say, he had help, I get it. Right.

2:01:06 I get it, right. But there's different types of help.

2:01:09 There is a help where you say, okay, I'm going to help you put in the truffle and the truffle thing doesn't necessarily means I made the truffle dish.

2:01:24 Or I'm going to take the bags out of the car. Or I'm going to take the bags out of the car.

2:01:28 If I'm making scrambled eggs and I say pass.

2:01:31 Me the black pepper, the black pepper, that's help? That's help? Look at that face. His face didn't really crack. His face didn't really crack. A little word. A little word.

2:01:42 So what he's saying was he said some rappers stole.

2:01:45 A little word. His face didn't crack.

2:01:46 He said some of your greatest.

2:01:48 No, he said some of your greatest had writers. They stole. Blah, blah, blah. So I know this. I'm damn sure. Wait, wait, wait. So why do we not ask this question?

2:01:58 Why do we not ask this question? As a rapper, as a rapper, did you have help Did you have help, or did you have assistance?

2:02:06 Were you inspired by, or were you... Or none of the above. Or none of the above. You and you. You and you. You know me? I've always had, because I got a producer. You always had what?

2:02:15 I had a producer, so he helped me with a beat. Nigga, I told you this is going to work for me. Nobody ever wrote nothing for me after, right? This is going to work for me.

2:02:23 Help, assistance. I need you. You got assistance? This is going to work for me.

2:02:27 Hooks.

2:02:27 I'm still looking for you. Hooks. Hooks. I've had to think. I'm assigned to a major. Think about this. We... We were signed a major label. So somebody wrote hooks for you.

2:02:35 No, Tony.

2:02:35 Let me finish, bro. This is not easy. I'm just saying. So think about this.

2:02:40 You can do a record and your company says you got to pick some other lines. So you had assistance.

2:02:45 Because they're not going to promote the record if you keep saying I'm going to kill this bitch in the third bar. I got to change the line. I got assistance.

2:02:52 Now I might change it. They didn't rewrite it, but they told me I had to rewrite it. So you always are getting worked.

2:02:57 Wait, wait, wait. Let me know what you want. Help, assistance, or none of the above? None of the above.

2:03:03 Me personally. Nigga, you had somebody made the beat.

2:03:06 Yep, definitely. That's assistance. So that's assistance.

2:03:10 We all have to be assistants. Pharrell made the beat. So everybody has assistance. So everybody has assistance. He didn't write the lyrics.

2:03:19 He didn't write the lyrics.

2:03:22 But at the same token, I understand what D-Dot was coming for. Because the thing about it is sometimes it comes a time to make a hit record, and it's like, yo, You don't, you.

2:03:36 Gotta do what you gotta do to get that hit. No, it's filling the dots.

2:03:38 No, if somebody come with, if Pharrell or Dre or whoever the fuck it is, comes with this record.

2:03:44 It's already set up.

2:03:45 All I gotta do is fill in the dots. That's what I call it. That's it.

2:03:50 My Dre record is filling the dots. That's what I had to do. That's help slash assistance, correct. No, it's assistance. He's the producer. That's my question.

2:03:57 No, no, no.

2:03:58 It's a collaboration.

2:03:58 Right.

2:03:58 That's what it is. Right.

2:04:04 It's collaboration. So, go do that. Nobody can't have collaboration? I'm not going to lie. Nobody can't have collaboration? This argument the whole time. Once again, it's a matter of semantics. Collaboration is not persistence. It's a matter of semantics. What I'm saying to you, nobody writes your raps.

2:04:26 You're one of 17 million of us that have made a attempt at this thing of ours called hip-hop. So the ones that have had help are the ones we are talking about. And specifically the ones that have had help happen to be in.

2:04:40 Some of our top 20s. And what I'm saying to y'all is. Some things we know are factual. Some things we don't.

2:04:50 What I'm saying is everybody's top whatever is subjective because you can't have a rule on it because my top five producers for me have all collaborated.

2:04:59 And that means that what?

2:05:02 What does that mean?

2:05:03 Kanye, for example, went on a rampage. I ghost produced the D-Dot. Ghost produce, you heard that word? You heard that, say that, okay, cool.

2:05:13 Meanwhile, his name is on the record, he got all his money, but his term is, it's.

2:05:20 Not a ghost. You're not a ghost. You collaborated. You co-produced.

2:05:25 So what I'm saying to you is, so if he just dropped off the beat and went back to Chicago, and you heard a full song.

2:05:32 What the fuck did D-Dot do?

2:05:34 And by the way, if you don't even mention what your ghost produced.

2:05:38 So name the records. Was it the Benjamins? Was it Hypnotize? Was it Money Pop? Was it my hits? Because your name was Lord Knows and you didn't go out. You never heard him say, I don't want him to do Benjamins. You know what?

2:05:48 And I can admit to you right here. Of course Kanye co-produced with me. But he dropped off a beat. Is that a full song if we could all put our beat albums up? I got Vans already out or something. I got Vans already out.

2:06:01 Somebody got to finish the job.

2:06:04 So when you say true, is that co-writing the song?

2:06:09 That is absolutely, did you say it? Do you say it? Do you say it? That's writing. I just wrote something you're saying. That's called an English word that gets said.

2:06:20 If you would have said true in a joke on stage, you would have said I wrote true.

2:06:24 Before you said all that, you said semantics. No, it was an English word that you repeated. But before all that, you said it's semantics.

2:06:31 It is semantics. Meaning semantics, y'all were using help, assistance, or collaboration.

2:06:36 Y'all were just trying to use another word for saying somebody did something else to help.

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2:09:03 Writing a song, not like, again, a rapper, you know, he has a song. So where would you put Pharoah March in your lyricism? Well, again, he'd be in the top. No, no, no, you tell us.

2:09:11 You tell us who's the nigga that wrote all his rhymes with no assistance whatsoever.

2:09:14 Yeah, unless you have some of the knowledge.

2:09:16 I couldn't.

2:09:17 That's my point.

2:09:18 I couldn't.

2:09:18 I couldn't. Because I wasn't there. Rock him. You're assuming or you don't? I know Rocky. Totally. I wouldn't doubt that because I love Rocky to death.

2:09:27 Even the shit I just said about him was a brother talking to another brother even back then saying, yo, these other guys are putting on better shows. It wasn't a disrespect to Rocky. My point to you is, assistance is assistance. Y'all can dance around the words and all this other shit. If you get help and everything that you do is not from you, then you got help.

2:09:42 I'll isolate it to the lyrics.

2:09:43 That's it.

2:09:44 Everything else I'm saying is subjective, so I'll hear it again. That's all I'm saying.

2:09:47 And I know some of the illest lyricists that we would never talk about in our top five because of their other parts of their career that you look at them or who they are, but lyrically, I'm sure there are people that's greater than Big, greater than Jay-Z, greater than Eminem, greater than.

2:10:01 KRS- That's black people in general, so they get better than Jordan in jail right now.

2:10:05 He said black thought might be something that's illest rapper right now. So people, big puns. gets arguably talked about being, who knows who's the greatest? Who knows?

2:10:15 Because we can't put a category on it. Because if we did, half of the rappers we love wouldn't be able to fit because.

2:10:20 They didn't fit the criteria. It's the unanswerable question. That's why when you go on a barbershop and ask this question. That's the point of this conversation, though. That's the point of this conversation. The point of this conversation is, I could care less. Like, you know, I, you know, like, um, let me, um, You can think whatever, who you want to think, you can think who you want to think, you can think who you want to think, but the thing about it is, it's just hip-hop. As long as we continue to love hip-hop, that's the beauty.

2:10:47 The fact that we're sitting here, I'm being a lyricist, it's not being hip-hop.

2:10:50 The fact that we're sitting here arguing, that's what some people are saying.

2:10:54 I don't believe that. No, he might not say that, but that's how they feel like. That's what happened with me. Is that not what me saying about Drake? That Drake is not hip-hop because he didn't like his shit. You know what I'm saying? No, no, hold on, tell.

2:11:05 Me about it, tell me about it, tell me about it.

2:11:10 D-Doc, I 100% agree with you. You do?

2:11:11 I 100% because that was Meek's problem.

2:11:13 Was he felt like that Drake didn't... Belong? It was softer, it was a different version. And I say to you, is that right? It was a mistake.

2:11:37 The fact that we sit here arguing so passionately about what we believe in hip-hop speaks to the greatness of hip-hop. Do we all agree that when he actually attacked him for that, that was actually a mistake? And that's because sometimes OGs, I'm going to say this to the youth, I don't want to make it preachy, but we here for a reason.

2:12:02 And sometimes when you look to be the boss... with no guidance. All bosses were workers. All generals were soldiers. And I'm listening to you for understanding. So when you have a general next to you, you're trying to overstep the general when you haven't even became a corporal.

2:12:20 So that's where the mistakes are. We are teaching them. This is what I'm saying right now. My point is that they have to want to be taught. No, no, no, no.

2:12:29 Because when you were 16, you didn't even want to hear what an OG was saying to you.

2:12:34 So you got to force the truth on them. Today's young boys. They hard-headed and don't know what the fuck they know. I'm saying today's young boys. For me, I'm saying I only wanted to listen to old heads.

2:12:42 That's all I wanted to listen to was old heads. I didn't want to listen to nobody.

2:12:45 I'm an OG product. I can name 65 yo's that I work with right now. That's like These are the dudes I look for them dudes One because my.

2:12:53 Father Was in the wind At a very young age But that's also a reason So But you gotta teach by example No this is my point Meek had a general In his midst And through whatever God had planned It separated And then you can see The results of sometimes Where our youth Are not guided That's all I'm saying.

2:13:10 You can see it's written in stone. It's written in stone. So what we're.

2:13:14 Saying is sometimes reach back to the OGs.

2:13:18 Not all of us are snakes. Not all of us want what you have. They got to see it. They got to see it. But you today got to see it. You got a whole shit under they nose so they know it's stinking. That's the youth today. It is a different way. It's a different way.

2:13:36 We got to see OG and be like, yo, he's fly, he's whatever. I'm going to buy him. I'm going to fucking follow his lead.

2:13:43 Okay, boom. The youth today got to follow what he knows.

2:13:46 That's when it comes to your life.

2:13:51 We never thought y'all was going to win the Super Bowl. You said what? We never thought y'all was going to win the Super Bowl. Oh, congrats. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. Yeah, but we did. We doubted y'all for 15 years. I didn't doubt. We're still running out there. Yeah, I didn't doubt that.

2:14:04 I'm just throwing it out there. I want a lot of money, too.

2:14:06 I'm saying the same thing. Nah, you got it there, too. We got it on cameras. You know y'all. You know. On cameras. Let's be focused. Stay focused. I know we're all going to stay focused on the fact that we did win that Super Bowl. You know what I mean? And you know the- We brought him off the drum, too.

2:14:20 We brought him off the drum. We brought him off the drum, yes, sir. They had to make that horse shit, though. What was that about? Yeah, he was out there. Yeah, that was some other stuff. That was his name. That was his name. I don't know him. It was a dude in Philly. They greased the pole. The nigga still climbed the pole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was out there.

2:14:35 And then the nigga ate horse shit. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he was out there. I don't know who he was. I don't know who he was. Well, obviously, he wasn't from the old days.

2:14:40 Yeah, I don't know who he was. But I know one thing I'm saying. We did- They said, you won a Super Bowl, win a freezer- Hell, freeze-over. In the Minneapolis, hell froze over.

2:14:49 So, Tony Rock. What's up, my brother? I've got to ask you. Yes, sir. You and Russell Simmons are very thick-lipped. Oh, damn.

2:14:56 Yeah.

2:14:56 Oh, damn. Oh, damn. Let me say this, let me say this. This is what we're taking from there. Can I take it from there?

2:15:05 Can I take it from there? This is the reality of it. This is the real shit. This is 2018.

2:15:11 In the last five years, Russell Simmons has been the most influential person in my career. More so than anybody else.

2:15:18 This is a fact. This is a fact.

2:15:21 This ain't no accusational shit or no speculatory shit. Russell has been more influential in my career in the last five years than anybody. Now, let me get this straight. So, for the listeners, rape, horrible. Rape is the worst thing ever. To take something from a woman or a man that you didn't want, it's the worst shit ever. Sexual assault is the worst shit ever. To have to live in a secrecy of what you went through and not tell anybody and not feel like you come out.

2:15:47 Worst shit ever. Sexual aggression is a new term that I just was made aware of.

2:15:53 Horrible.

2:15:53 Isn't that just a flirt now? Yeah, it's a new term. It's sexual aggression.

2:15:58 If you send a drink to a girl, listen, 45% of women, I did the research, 45% of women in America think if you send a drink to a girl in a club, it's considered sexual aggression.

2:16:08 Yeah, that's a lot of crap shit. Sexual aggression. If you come up....

2:16:13 If you compliment a woman on something physical, 45% of women in America think it's sexual aggression.

2:16:22 So you gotta watch what you're doing, watch what you're saying.

2:16:24 But with that said, with that said, Russell's been the most influential person in my career.

2:16:30 In the last five years than anybody. He was the nigga that fought for me to host all-deaf comedy.

2:16:34 He was the one that fought for me to get movies and TV auditions and meetings.

2:16:39 That's real. Let me hold something. I'm never going to back off that.

2:16:43 But like I said, rape, horrible, sexual assault, horrible, sexual misconduct, horrible.

2:16:50 My heart goes out to all those women. Yes, sir. If he's guilty, that's fucked up.

2:16:55 But in the court of public opinion, people have already convicted him. There's the court of public opinion, and there's the real actual court. Let's wait to see what happens in the actual court. Because when he's cleared up, or when and if, when and if he's cleared up, that's the worst thing in the world to be convicted of something like that and be innocent.

2:17:14 Yeah.

2:17:15 It's the worst thing in the world. But like you said, the court of public opinion. Public opinion is rough with it. He can get found not guilty of.

2:17:21 All these things.

2:17:21 Public opinion already cast a verdict. Public opinion already cast a verdict weeks ago. How about Bill Cosby? Because it feels like Bill Cosby.

2:17:28 Bill Cosby ain't do nothing for my career. He ain't. He didn't make no phone calls. Actually, he did. Actually, he did. He made a statement on stage.

2:17:36 He made a statement on stage and speaking freely.

2:17:38 Yes, that's true. But I mean, as far as what Russell did.

2:17:41 No.

2:17:41 I'm saying that Russell did it directly. But yeah, he was definitely giving somebody like pills. I'm just throwing it out there.

2:17:45 One of my mentors in this business, He went to law school and Bill Cosby paid for his law school.

2:18:03 And he got a bill from Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby. Come on, man. I'm just saying something.

2:18:13 The reason why I don't have love for Bill Cosby is because he never showed love to hip hop.

2:18:20 He didn't like us. He made Fred Howard. That's love to hip-hop. Nah, he didn't like us. It is. It is.

2:18:28 Did you know he's actually from Richard Allen Project?

2:18:32 No, we know that. In North Philly. And you know what he said? That Temple University is in North Philly. No, and you know what?

2:18:39 We 100% respect North Philly. We 100% respect that. But when that man said.

2:18:45 that, yo, you guys gotta take care. Pull your pants up. Pull your pants up. He just wanted, he just wanted, listen. No, that was fashion. That wasn't a culture. That was a hip hop.

2:18:52 I think, I think, I think, again, back to what you said about, back to what you said about old heads, right?

2:18:55 Again, I'm saying the old heads.

2:18:57 Supposed to tell you something and you, you might not understand it.

2:18:59 And it's great.

2:19:00 Right? So I'm saying, again, I'm saying the culture of having your pants sagging was a penitentiary culture, right?

2:19:05 That's true. So watch this. I'm saying... 100%.

2:19:06 So I'm saying, again, if he's pulling your coat for it, don't be upset about it.

2:19:10 Yeah, but it's a difference. It's a difference. It's a difference. It's a difference, Suzanne. I'm exactly the same person as you. Yeah, I came from where you came from. Just do it. Don't look down on me. Don't look down on me. Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem. Old heads speak from their level of understanding. You know what I'm saying?

2:19:29 This baggy jeans and the two Timbs and the fucking oversized pants.

2:19:34 Old heads speak from what they comprehend. I went to your brother's show. Right? And you know who invited me to your brother's show?

2:19:39 Who?

2:19:39 It was Jay-Z. Okay.

2:19:41 Jay-Z hit me and said, I mean, I don't know why I put the voice like that. I don't know, I don't know. Jay-Z was Iceberg Slip. Jay-Z was Iceberg Slip. Nigga, I'm at your brother's show. I don't know why I put Jay-Z's voice like that. I'm so sorry.

2:20:00 Apologize. It's not what I meant to say.

2:20:02 All right?

2:20:02 Apologize. You're going over there.

2:20:05 Come on.

2:20:06 You got to cover it up.

2:20:08 Just cover it up.

2:20:08 Just cover it up. Just cover it up. Just cover it up.

2:20:10 Yeah, because you need to distract him. It's like you got pussy out.

2:20:13 Just out. Just say hello to him. Just say hello to him. It's just pussy for no reason. Hold on. There's a reason. Say it again.

2:20:20 Say it again.

2:20:20 Say it again.

2:20:21 Wait, hold on.

2:20:22 Say it again. There's always a reason for pussy. Pussy for no reason. That's my point, that's my point. And look, you're back in time. And it's there. We have a competition. Actually, in terms of where Laura's at right now, you will be calling. Hold up, are you coming for right now? I'm 1,000% confident. No, but I'm saying, but Lori, right now, right.

2:21:09 Now, hold up, but if you're going to divide this, she's actually calling you. She's kind of violating me.

2:21:17 She's violating you. You're a married man. I'm a man, man. I'm just saying. Charlie Mack, I want you, Charlie.

2:21:25 The thing about you kept saying, I'm a married man.

2:21:29 I'm a married man. I'm a married man. No, I'm serious.

2:21:32 No, I don't want to move. I want Charlie Mack to clean my case.

2:21:37 Please, Charlie Mack. So do you feel the same way about a woman who breastfeeds? What the hell? Yeah, I feel like she violated me too as well. What I'm saying to you is that it is a violation.

2:21:49 I'm saying to you, if I didn't invite that to you, for you to be showing your skin and actually revealing yourself to me, I'm saying that's a violation.

2:21:57 So do you feel the same way about my skin? That sounds like some real law right now. I don't really feel that. I don't really feel that. That's not really good. What I'm saying.

2:22:07 To you, I'm talking about in terms of I like it, I'm just saying it's not good. I like it. I'm saying right now, where the world's at right now, that's inappropriate attire.

2:22:20 That's inappropriate attire. I wanna throw that. That's inappropriate attire. He's like, please, bro! What are you talking about? It's a real world. Yo niggas are selling like shit. No really, no really.

2:22:31 I'm here to say it because the first thing you see is Fumble.

2:22:35 The first thing you see is Fumble. That's the first thing you see. Fumble is inappropriate. Fumble is inappropriate.

2:22:42 Fumble is inappropriate.

2:22:44 If the guy was following the angle see maybe I'm saying again when she walked away everybody this way.

2:22:48 Right, that's what it is.

2:23:06 Right?

2:23:06 So again, I'm saying that right here. You didn't ask for that.

2:23:09 I definitely didn't ask for that.

2:23:13 You know what? You're a married man. I just did want to say this. You guys did.

2:23:18 You said that microaggression shit where you can't buy a woman a drink, you're being rude.

2:23:23 I just tried to... Sexual aggression.

2:23:24 Right.

2:23:24 So what I was saying was, I flipped it because he was like, second time, he was like, yo, there's a lot of pussy for no reason.

2:23:29 No, but that's my friend.

2:23:30 So I started a horrible.

2:23:31 She's thankful around me, I'm thankful around her.

2:23:34 I know, I know. But when Nori said like, I keep seeing things, I'm trying not to see. But that's a great, that's a great portion of the show. Look at the dude, look at the dude.

2:23:44 That's a great point they made.

2:23:47 That's a great point they made, right? They told you to say that she's comfortable around him. He's comfortable around her, right? But guess what? If she don't want Nuri looking at her and all of a.

2:23:56 Sudden, don't have Nuri involved.

2:23:58 Period.

2:23:58 We have a pocket for that, right?

2:23:59 So therefore, I'm saying at that point in time, she become violated because she's saying, I'm comfortable with Tone looking at me.

2:24:04 I don't want y'all looking at me.

2:24:05 Period.

2:24:05 Now, guess what?

2:24:06 If she follow and say, you know what I mean? She comfortable being around Tone. So she know being around Tone entails this. Entails niggas like, yo, damn. She know that being around me. She know niggas like, yo, son, oh, look at this. She know being around me is like, that's what it is. It entails that. The niggas I be around be like that.

2:24:24 So you're saying whenever you got a chick with you in that way, this is community property.

2:24:30 I don't have anything to do with it. Okay, whenever you got her with you isolated, it's community property. It's not.

2:24:34 Okay so back to my point.

2:24:58 Isn't that a bit of a microaggression?

2:25:00 Because you're bringing something in, look but don't touch.

2:25:03 It looks really, and it's kind of overly nice and cool. Look, look, look, be respectful and don't touch.

2:25:08 How do you be respectful if the girl got her vagina right and don't give her the check?

2:25:12 Now that's how.

2:25:13 I mean, you kind of, You gotta be in question with aggression.

2:25:18 You can't respect the vagina?

2:25:20 The vagina on you is making you aggressive. It's not on you, it's on me, it's on me. No, he said he's seen it. He can see it from a distance. Right, but he's seen it.

2:25:28 He's pretty close. It's arm length away. Listen, man, that's what I do. I like to bring some entertainment wherever I go.

2:25:37 I like to bring some entertainment to Miss Noria.

2:25:40 To Miss Noria. Let him speak for himself. It was not my vagina. It was literally the upper thigh. No, that's not what Noria. So now Noria, you're blind now, Noria. This time, it was the upper thigh.

2:25:49 No, I ain't talking about that. I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about what you said. No, I'm talking about my vagina.

2:25:58 No, no. Not just a vagina. You said, you said, not the vagina, you said, you said camel toe. You said camel toe. I love camel toe. You said that's what you loved about her. That's a totally different conversation. That's what you said you loved about her, though. You said you appreciated that from her. And at that point in time, at that point in time. Because I wanted her as a friend. Are you comfortable right now? Yes.

2:26:19 As a friend, I appreciate it in camel toe. That is what's going to protect me in my heart and my mind. I definitely did. I want to be an all-in-one type of friend.

2:26:30 Um, and maybe because it's different. You could be a friend, like a regular friend. You could be a Harper-Weinstein friend.

2:26:36 I don't want to be a Harper-Weinstein friend. Harper-Weinstein friend. Please, in this case, you didn't know. Okay. That's what's just coming up now.

2:26:46 Yeah, but I'm just telling you, I'm the opposite side.

2:26:50 I'm a bad person, Dita. I'm the opposite side. I started Surreal Law.

2:26:55 But I do want to agree with your opinion that it was kind of contradicting to where.

2:26:58 That's all I was trying to say. What was contradicting? Oh, no, no. Let me be on your side. What I said, what I said.

2:27:07 Because you had said The whole shit about Microaggression Like even buying You said sexual aggression 45% Sexual aggression Whatever the fuck.

2:27:13 It's called 45% I was saying I had She not putting 45% You missed my point though I'm just saying So with my sisters I.

2:27:19 Get it If I do buy you a drink I watch women go to the club With no purse bro No.

2:27:25 I didn't.

2:27:26 They go.

2:27:26 So, Rash, so, Rash, so, Rash, Rash, Rash, Rash.

2:27:31 Because a woman comes to a club with no money, is that invitation that I'm saying she's supposed to be?

2:27:35 No, no, no, you're missing my point. If they know what they're doing, I got homegirls, they hot.

2:27:41 If they go with no purse, How do you expect to drink, but they expect to go drink?

2:27:47 You're in the social environment, and for the most part, man is going to.

2:27:51 Take the bill.

2:27:52 Okay, so all I'm saying is, though, you have to be, you are complicit at some point in what you're putting out in the universe.

2:27:59 Right.

2:28:01 You cannot wear fucking raw fish and dive in the ocean and get mad at the shark.

2:28:06 Well, again, I'm saying, no, no, no. I'm saying, but the thing about it is in terms of world, because you're talking about, you're talking about, you're talking about all I got.

2:28:13 I'm not talking about you. You can take it personal. I'm saying, I only use you. I only use you as an example. I'm saying, again, that's how he survived. I'm saying, again, I'm saying there's baby thorn here.

2:28:29 Right? So that's basically what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a woman and a man. We gotta have more discipline to ourselves.

2:28:34 Of course, of course.

2:28:35 Nah, but he was addressing was when he said that the sexual aggression they're saying is now.

2:28:39 If you buy a woman. I didn't make that up. No, no, no.

2:28:44 That's what he's addressing.

2:28:46 No, it's aggression when I'm saying you come up to her. What's up, baby? How you feeling? What's going on? Oh, of course.

2:28:51 But if she said, y'all speaking, how you doing? You feel me, you want a drink? And she accepts it, right? It's only when she accepts it. If she says no thanks.

2:29:01 I don't want, no thanks.

2:29:03 If 25% of women feel like it's sexual aggression to send them a drink or compliment them on something physical.

2:29:09 If 25% of women are like, nigga, you don't see this fucking dress?

2:29:12 Nigga, where my drink at?

2:29:14 You know what I'm saying? So it's a difference. If Tony's saying, Should always from here on I can never meet a woman.

2:29:24 I'm not married But the whole point was if How do you meet a woman in a society where now nothing like so I?

2:29:46 If I send a drink, I'm trippin'. If we work together and I say, hey, would you like to go to lunch?

2:29:51 No, you are. .

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2:30:01 Right? You don't know that woman yesterday, I'm saying, had somebody there with her right now.

2:30:06 You might have went to the bathroom, right? So you don't know. Right. Exactly.

2:30:09 Exactly.

2:30:10 And the thing about it, that's why I'm saying like with me, right? I've never had a drink with them in my life. So therefore, I'm saying to a degree, I'm going to be offended.

2:30:18 I don't drink. So don't send me no drink. You know what I mean?

2:30:20 Period.

2:30:21 I don't drink. No woman should come to me and say, would you want to buy me a drink? No, I don't want to buy you a drink. Because I'm not going to put it in you, I'm not going to put it in myself. I don't drink, I don't smoke. I never drank or smoked a day of my life. So therefore, I'm not going to ask you, do you want a drink? And I'm saying, you don't ask me, can I buy you a drink?

2:30:35 Period.

2:30:35 We have conversation, and that's as far as it's going to go. Period. But guess what? The minute that you say no, or you say I'm not interested, I'm backing up. Well, see, I think that's what the option is.

2:30:43 I think men and women have to meet everybody anyway.

2:30:47 And so, I think we are so digital. I watch everybody I know. And as soon as we get out of this shit, everybody's going to do this.

2:30:55 Mm-hmm. Right.

2:30:56 Right.

2:30:57 Motherfucker. Think about it.

2:30:59 Everybody that's... The social connection is gone.

2:31:01 We are not social. So now people are thinking sending you a drink is weird. That's like chivalry.

2:31:06 Because the social connection is gone.

2:31:08 Guys, it's not, though, because I'm telling you, go back to what I'm saying again. Her husband could be in the bathroom, right?

2:31:12 But what if not? And what if she's all about... She's with her friends. No, but that's what you think. And it's girl. That's what you think, though. No, what if she wants? I'm telling you, but.

2:31:19 Body chemistry in human beings are nonverbal communication.

2:31:23 Right, but you can't read it that way. I'm saying the difference of... There's a lot of... I'm a flirtation type of dude, right? I'm a flirtation type of dude. She can be a flirtation. This young lady right here, she can go, and I'm saying she can very well get up and go.

2:31:36 She's very flirtatious.

2:31:37 But guess what? I'm saying she can be just that. She can be just that. Just a flirt. And she's saying, I want nobody to touch me. Or she could be, it could be 10 dudes in this room, and she could say, I wanna have sex with all nine of them, and I want the one dude not to touch me.

2:31:53 And you knock off all the dudes. Guess what?

2:31:56 When we was on Run's House, there was two girls that was out with us for three months. Literally, I'm talking about from Run DMC all the way down to J.J.

2:32:04 Fadd.

2:32:04 I'm talking about those two girls were intimate with every, almost every dude on, I'm not saying what dudes.

2:32:09 We were, but with everyone.

2:32:10 And then one of the dudes, they just didn't want to have sex with. And they were upset.

2:32:14 They were upset.

2:32:15 But she, it's her right to say no. It's her right to say no. So in a social setting, I'm saying be social, talk, right? I'm saying this shouldn't be a situation.

2:32:28 But sometimes you need an opening to people you don't know. Right, the opening is... The opening is liquor. No, no, no, it's not, it's not.

2:32:33 Girls walk up sometimes and be like, yo, can I hit that?

2:32:37 The opening is, how are you doing? My name is Raz. That's you and how you do it. You can't tell me. No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm saying to you, society... I'm saying for Steve now. Right, right. I'm saying society... and saying, okay, again, you go back.

2:32:50 Like for me, it ain't bothering me because I've always been that type of dude. Like I'm like, listen, if you ain't feeling me, I ain't feeling you.

2:32:57 That's how I rock. So I can't even understand how a dude wouldn't get down on somebody. I only like chicks that like me. I like chicks that like me. I want to do business with me.

2:33:06 But now, now, now, first of all, every nigga here, every nigga here, every nigga here, every nigga here, you have a pedigree, so when you walk before you come there, people already know who the fuck you are, your accomplishment, not every nigga now.

2:33:17 Remember, regular, every human boy on the planet, You are D-Dot. You are Charlie Mack.

2:33:37 Tony, come on, man. Knock it off. So, your name's on the flyer. You're going into it.

2:33:43 So, women talk to you before they even get to know how amazing you are as an individual. To me, to be honest, to me, I'm going to be honest with you.

2:33:53 Say there's a woman that don't know me, right? I'll tell her my name is Charles.

2:33:57 Let me tell you what, I want to pull the wall down.

2:34:00 I want to be strictly on the fact that it's our vibe.

2:34:03 It ain't about, I'm talking about all of the trinkets. Because to me, that's weak. Because guess what?

2:34:07 There's a dude that I'm talking about that don't have nothing going on for him, but he got a couple dollars.

2:34:11 And some women, that's what they want. For me, I'm saying, I want you to strictly be invested. To get to know you. But see, the difference is, for me.

2:34:17 I wonder even if you do that, bro, you've got tails. They're going to start looking.

2:34:21 At the rocks. No, no, no, no. I want them to know, yo, that's Tony Rock. I want to have a conversation with you.

2:34:28 Look, I want to have a conversation with you and then realize, I want you to realize, oh shit, the chick, I want her to.

2:34:35 Realize, oh he really a down-to-earth dude. He ain't cornering who he thought he was. He not cornering the TV shit.

2:34:43 He a real nigga from Brooklyn, New York that came from nothing and made it to here and he's appreciative of everything he has in his life. And that makes me more real to them. That brings me down to earth to them. And they need me on a level. They need me on a level.

2:34:56 They need me on a level. That's all I'm saying.

2:34:59 I don't really get into this. I'm going to be married 20 years in September.

2:35:02 Congratulations. I got a question. For everybody. What if the chick is not interested in knowing the real you? What I'm saying to you what to his point to Charlie's point Charlie saying.

2:35:34 There's a way that he has been schooled and raised to approach a.

2:35:37 Woman on the way to go.

2:35:39 What I'm saying to you is there are women that are raised to accept that. There are women who he's saying who leave their house with the.

2:35:48 Intent or not worried about your realness.

2:35:52 Or how deep you are, their intent is to get you. So my point is, we don't have a radar on us to know which ones those are. We don't because there could be a woman, like you said, that is dressed just like her that doesn't want anybody to touch her, she just likes to dress like that, but we take that same girl, another girl that's dressed exactly like that, that got two niggas sandwichin' her. So we equating that style of dress As we can go after both of them.

2:36:22 Absolutely. It's our wrong.

2:36:25 But we don't know what their intentions are either.

2:36:30 But it don't matter what their intentions are. Their intentions don't matter.

2:36:35 Their intentions do matter if she's aggressive with him.

2:36:38 I'm talking about in terms of how he actually acts on it. I'm saying because she's dressed like that, she's not responsible for the way you act.

2:36:45 Wait, wait, wait, wait. She's not the representation of what you're saying. She's just sitting here. It's not about you. It's never been about you.

2:36:55 It's not about you. It was a representation of what you said. And something that happened.

2:37:00 That exchange. My brain think about. You got to learn to think about discernment.

2:37:08 Tony Robb is definitely smacking her ass.

2:37:13 You cannot judge her. And I will not judge you. I just want you to know that. I will still respect you.

2:37:25 As a human. As a human being. So it's not about you, it's about the individual. No, I'm telling you it's about me as a human. I don't disrespect you. That's real. Give me some sun chips. I love that you got great, excuse me, Who is it? Burgundy? I thought you were going to say his name. I really acknowledge your hair. It was late. I brought entertainment, man.

2:37:57 What's it like? I'm just trying to know. I respect you as a human. I appreciate that. I really respect y'all. I'm totally glad to be with you. As a human. Give him a hug. Give him a hug. Give him a hug. Give me a pat. Give me a pat. Exactly. That's more than a little bit. That's my wife. My wife over there somewhere. Exactly. She's sitting there. She's in New York, but she's still over here, I guess.

2:38:23 But listen, I just wanted to.