VisionQuest Episodes 5 & 6 Spoilers Review Highlight

0:00 All right, Taylor. So we're ripping and gripping for these. What did you think of episodes five and six? Some highlights, some lowlights, that type of stuff.

0:10 Yeah, holy smokes. What I can appreciate is that the timing of this.

0:15 Okay, that's it.

0:16 You're done. So I thought... Yeah.

0:20 With AI just being in the position that it is right now in the world, you know, like AI is just sneaking into people's bank accounts, you know, doing some weird shit lately.

0:27 Oh, yeah. And then here it is. You have.

0:31 This show just really focusing on AI, giving AI these personalities and just really emphasize AI dropping the firewall and getting out there and just fucking around in the world a little bit more, especially Edith. But I like it in this context. I like seeing what Ultron's doing. Ultron, he's just fucking... He's ready to just have....

0:58 God javascript sex you know he's.

1:01 He's going in uh god damn he's the malware he's running with it he's just him and jocasta like jocasta and they have really really good.

1:11 Chemistry together on on what are you laughing about.

1:14 What's so i got a lot of gabriel still i've listened to y'all for years never imagined this what you looked like i'm shook i don't know that's a good shirk or bad especially gabriel you're a facebook uh commenter so i'm surprised like our faces are on there so Hopefully, you didn't disappoint, but thanks for listening. But I just laughed.

1:29 I was just like, I've never imagined.

1:30 I'll do this, Gabriel. You know, if it makes you feel better. We all look like this.

1:34 Yeah.

1:35 You know, that kind of makes it easier for you. Oh, you came back.

1:40 Dylan's like vision quest glitching out.

1:42 But, yeah.

1:45 Yeah, I think that the chemistry between Jocasta... Ultron. I fricking love it. I'm eating it.

1:50 Those, those were like, I liked both these episodes quite a bit. These actually might be my favorite two episodes. Funny enough. Cause we're doing like the mini reviews, but again, we just did this because like numbers were what they were, which makes sense, you know? So look at that. Nah, you're all awesome. Thank you. We're all very much appreciate the kind words. So thank you. Come, come on. Yeah, exactly.

2:07 If you're, if you're here, you're awesome. Um, no, that like, there's a lot of the things I liked in these episodes, but the vision or sort of the Ultron to cost the stuff, was great. They had a good chemistry going on. I can't remember the actress's name, but I really like her. She's from a blind manner and some other stuff, but I really like her. I love this idea. They both have things they want from each other. She has that info.

2:27 She wants that information from that lady's face to, you know, do whatever tricks. Yeah. The biometrics mumbo jumbo, all that stuff. So that's cool. And then Ultron just wants to, a similar thing to her wants to just feel something right. And that moment in the end of episode two, when she gave him that drink and he started to like feel a little bit human, um, And, like, his eyes, like, James Spader is fucking incredible. Do I think they'd ever bring him back to be, like, a movie villain? No, but I just, like, how good Spader is, it's almost like I'm going to be disappointed if this is the end of Ultron, you know, for, like, good night. To me, this should open the door to we should get him more,

3:01 even if there's, like, a Masters of Villain. It's, like, multiple villains, like, get him in there. But I thought all the stuff with Jakasa, like, you alluded to, Taylor, the AI stuff, taking over them, trying to, fine programming and skip town and do all this stuff and just talking about different ways to well do we blow up the world or do we try to like improve it our way I thought it was uh really really good stuff that's that to me has been the highlight of the show was Ultron and Jakasa so far.

3:25 So yeah I mean and just the way that she's thinks she's in charge and like puts a virus in him and then he gets locked in chains and she's like, you know, I'm going to rewrite your code, cut it up, dah, dah, dah. And he starts laughing and he just fucking shakes the chains off and stands there and she's all freaked out, you know, pressed against the wall.

3:45 I love that.

3:46 It's just such a, the way they talk, like, oh, you know, if we get together, there'll be casualties kind of a thing and all that. Like, I really just like their dynamic on his turf and then her turf and then just culminating in, yeah, you learn about her backstory where, you know, like you were talking about the discords stark just he sees something he likes he just fucking buys it which i'm okay with that i think it totally fits with his mo it.

4:08 Really does it does i guess i'm just tired it's only happened like twice or you can even say three times technically because he takes over the weapons company from his dad right but just like the whole barf tech you have jake joe on the back like watching it now it's like oh you know jarvis well he actually bought that tech from somebody else now granted yes he's a scientist we've seen him do the iron man suit and everything but i just felt like okay jar to jarvis to me like a big one it's like a it's not like a negative i just like I kind of rolled my eyes of like, okay, of course Stark bought Jarvis, I guess.

4:38 There's an interesting note, too, and I can't remember where it was, but he... Oh, maybe I'm actually conflicting it.

4:47 I'm getting it confused with actually The Dark Knight Rises.

4:49 Fuck.

4:50 Okay, that's totally different because Anne Hathaway wanted to get the.

4:54 We're not reviewing that.

4:55 She wanted to get the rewrite your fresh life code or whatever, the technology for that.

5:01 And Bruce Wayne bought it.

5:02 The clean slate.

5:03 The clean slate. He bought it just to keep it as a dead end. And I just kind of think maybe Tony does that. Why should other people have this tech when I should have it? Maybe I'll buy things just to keep it, say it's a dead end, but really it works and I own it, right?

5:16 No one else has it. Keep it out of other people's hands.

5:19 Yeah. No, so all that stuff was good. What did you feel about Paladin this week? We got some origin stuff where he got blipped. So there you go. We found his little helpers in AI. He has a daughter that he hasn't seen in five years.

5:30 The helper thing. Oh, my God.

5:33 And it's fucking it's funny, too, because, again, this is there are things that I see like and I don't say it on the review. I forget because, yeah, like we're named Lily. her turning into like.

5:43 AI thing or whatever, I thought, you know what, I could see like Jocasta taking over her or something like that. And she's like, what the fuck happened? That happens.

5:49 And then in today's, like this episode, yeah, it's funny because someone was actually talking about Paladin's lady being an AI and thinking, oh, fuck, yeah, it makes sense. It's going to be an AI because of just how that works. And sure enough, Edith reaffirms that whole thing here in this episode, which I thought it was great because, That AI didn't waste any fucking time and got the hell out.

6:13 Of there and basically, screw you, Paladin. I'm out.

6:18 But I think you get to see definitely another side of Paladin here. Obviously, they're trying to make him the semi-good guy anti-hero.

6:24 Exactly what we thought was going to happen.

6:25 Exactly what we thought.

6:26 He didn't put a bomb in Tommy's arm. He put a fucking toy, which, did you have to go that far? That looks painful.

6:32 I know, right?

6:33 He could literally just say, hey, I put a bomb in you. Like, while you're asleep, I put it down your throat. you get too far, you're going to fucking explode. And it's just like, that's where for me again, pal, then like so far, it's just, he's been, uh, the biggest con on the show as far as what they've talked about. He doesn't fit. I don't feel like what they brought up his history to be like putting fake bombs and people. And it's what we call episode. I think it was up to one or two when they, or no, I think it was last week when they were talking about him, like getting the job and he's all this down now. We're like, Oh, that's what's going to happen is, he's going to still go after this job,

7:05 and him and Vision are going to be put in a situation where they've got to work together reluctantly. That's the only thing where I think there's a lot of unpredictable things with this show, and that's where Paladin just sticks out like a sore thumb. That feels like the bad Disney Plus stuff of there's nothing that special with this story. The best thing we got from his story to me was Vision threatening him of him like, oh, you don't know my daughter, and Vision's like, actually, I know her way better than you. I know she drives this, she goes to work at this time when her elbow hurts in the cold, and I love when Vision was like, oh, and you just don't know what could happen. Like, AI could, like,

7:33 burn her house down due to the temperature going too high. He listed, like, all these ways he could just fucking, like, take out his daughter by just, like, hacking in. Yeah, so I love that Vision. Vision was scary there. And that's the best thing we got, though, was just using him as, like, a plot device, right? So I was hoping he'd die in this episode.

7:52 He didn't.

7:52 Paladine continues to go forth. So, again, anytime he comes in the show, I just... And I clearly think now it's a writing thing, not even an acting thing. I think it's just what they want them to do. And yeah, I'm just still not digging it. I really was not digging that. Like, I guess we got to work together now.

8:06 I'm going to hear it live. It's just exactly what we thought was going to happen. And not that one of those things where it's like, oh, you exactly think it's going to happen. And the great storytelling leads you there. Like, oh, that's why it makes sense. It just feels like we've been here before with this type of character arc or character type. And it's just, it's not doing much for me. Like, I think you could take him out of the show.

8:24 If he would not have been around since episode two, I think the show would be better for it, you know?

8:29 So, yeah, I would agree. Yeah.

8:32 And he just, he just has an energy to him that I'm not really a big fan of. Like even when Tommy and the girl get into his van and he's like, oh, you know, the oxygen will come.

8:42 Back on if you answer this riddle. Just kidding. There's no riddle. He's like, why are you putting that kind.

8:46 Of stuff in there?

8:46 Oh, I know.

8:47 That whole video thing, I just, like, fuck off. I don't, I just, I'm not finding this anything. And the show does have some humor, but I just feel like his is, again, very, like, goofy type of humor. I guess there's, like, even Edith, I feel like she has, like, a childlike humor. She's not completely, like, goofy, right? And he just feels so.

9:02 Oh, yeah. With Edith, yeah, when Jocasta and Ultron are, like, flirting and whatnot, and Edith, like, rolls back on the couch just to, like, disgust him and stuff. I think that's cute, and it is funny. just like playing up her, her young programming and whatnot. Also shout outs to when they're talking about the bosses that they've had, either says mine was a teenager and you get that Spider-Man theme in there.

9:22 I was like, Oh yeah, that is some good shit right there. Really good. Are you going there? Are you going where I think you're going?

9:31 You can go there. You can go there.

9:33 I mean, I, the last fucking thing I ever would have expected. was a buddy from Iron Man 1, Mr. Raza, leader of the Ten Rings.

9:42 Jericho Missiles.

9:44 Yeah, Jericho Missiles.

9:45 Coming in here with big Obadiah Stane fucking energy about him.

9:49 Adamantium guns. Adamantium guns.

9:52 He's got drone uh yeah frequency displacement things on his hip you know he's got amazing sword combat skills now this guy is.

10:01 I know he's trying to take out.

10:03 He's taking out power like god damn he's not dead.

10:07 No he's he survived the blast and everything and what a fucking what a leap from iron man one to get all the way to here you know and I just laugh because if people listen to the last in-person cast with you, me, and Kirkland, we were memeing on the whole, like, Jericho missiles, you build stuff. We were memeing and doing jokes about Tony Stark in the cave, and we were talking about this guy, and.

10:26 Here he is. Someone's listening to us, I'm convinced. Do they do this show?

10:30 They shot this show so long ago. It's funny, now that the character's here, at one point, because I had heard, because I got spoiled on this before I watched it, which was fine, I'm not like, oh my god, but when he was introduced to the show, I thought, okay, one, that's fun, and I think they used him uh, good enough here. I didn't buy the whole, like you have five minutes. I was like, what do you do that?

10:49 I guess.

10:50 Sure.

10:50 But okay. He gives us five minutes, but I thought he was going to be the mystery guy, like trying to tell vision, like, you know, at the end of the episode where it's like, oh, your heart is lost and all that stuff. So when I heard he was back in the show, I'm like, oh, that would make sense. I guess they're going to make this guy like the big bad and title back to Tony, but no, he's still not the big bad. He's just like another kind of off.

11:08 He's looking for that, that next suit upgrade still. He is all these years.

11:12 Yeah. Um, Um, any more theories on who the ultimate secret person is?

11:17 I thought it was, I thought it was, um, Ultron at first, but then it's like, no, they're just pen pals. Ultron was talking to Paladin the whole time, just having a hoot, right? When Ultron was in his.

11:29 Bounty Hunter message board, right?

11:31 Bounty Hunter, yeah. I love that he makes the point of saying that. I can't, I'm going to, I can't believe I said it.

11:36 I'm going to say it again, but, um, uh, like watching the bounty, yeah, the bounty hunter message boards. That was just, that was hilarious. Um, but who it is now, I mean, I, I just don't know. I mean, that part of me thinks like, God could, they, they.

11:56 Make it seem very much that it's Wanda. It's not Wanda, but that's what I'm trying to imply. Right. With like, Oh, like I, you're living these memories, but you don't have the heart. I can give you the heart. I can give you the feeling yet. Uh, I don't think it's that. It's got to be.

12:10 Another AI, right?

12:12 I think it'd be another AI. I guess the only thing would... I would have thought Agatha, but she's a fucking ghost. I don't think that's what's happening now. I've seen a terrible theory, and I really hope it's not that. I've heard a theory that it's Ralph Boner, because he's the connective thread through all of them, and I.

12:28 And he was there fucking sense.

12:30 You have a lot of stuff with Ralph Boner. It makes sense. Right. So I really don't want that as much as I like Evan Peters. Uh, they wasted that big time. I don't care if anyone, what anyone thinks that was just like poor execution, poor writing. It's looked at as one of those like top five Marvel bad things for a reason, right? The MCU. So I, I, I, I would think in the state there are now in the MCU, it's not best to invoke that again, but, um, I really have no idea. I feel like they're, they're walking.

12:54 That'd be huge.

12:56 Yeah.

12:58 That like to me it's just like um i think they're walking on a big tight rope right now and i think this reveal now that especially this week had such a big ending really has to not really has to live for me but i think for some people if it doesn't deliver it's going to be a big mark on the series so i don't know i have no theories right now but they're definitely just making it look like it'd be wanda but i know it's not wanda.

13:16 So and it's not billy i.

13:19 Don't think so because again why wouldn't he just go there why wouldn't he just go there why is he threatening vision why would he just go and scream like i'm your second son true.

13:26 But then i mean why wouldn't wanda but at this point it's like the one is daily if billy is confirmed to be earlier on in the episode why is he hiding right.

13:33 Apparently the showrunner said that's not him so i don't know anymore now i'm.

13:37 Sorry but it fucking why would you put a guy in there that looks exactly like fucking billy.

13:41 It was a mistake it was a mistake uh my only three other points i had for this to shut it was uh one the first episode everything with ultron and the sun tommy That was great stuff. The dinner and everything. I really love the Ultron. I'm like, oh, what's wrong with me? And he's like, Tommy says connection.

13:58 You're never going to feel it. And for the second, Ultron tracks that because it's like, yeah, he knows all this stuff. He can do all this stuff. And he's researched everything about mankind. He has not felt connection. Now, obviously, we're seeing that with Jocasta. That's what I'm interested to see is how much is he feeling it and how much is he forcing himself to feel it. But I thought that was a really great scene with him and Tommy.

14:17 On that note, too, to piggyback it, you also have, Ultron and this is what the original Vision just wanted to see Ultron kind of grow and change into but you have Ultron drop that line that Vision said in Age of Ultron there's grace in their failings and so Snow Vision just kind of like tweaks out a little bit of that like oh shit he maybe is changing and that's why he let Ultron go he gave him the hat so I feel like maybe as much as Ultron is bewildered by Jocasta I don't trust that he's there and is wholeheartedly invested with.

14:49 I feel like there's still something there. I just really don't want the play to, he actually goes full on like, I could save humanity and like, I'm a good guy. I don't want him to face turn. And I think there's, I think that could happen. I think he could have a slightly good guy turn. And I don't really want that.

15:07 I think it could. I think it could. Yeah.

15:09 Yeah. Um, I really liked at one point when Paladine was just like, Oh yeah, WandaVision. And then he says like, Oh yeah, Vision was built to kill your mother. And they had this big reveal. Um, And then I had it in my point as a negative, but then I took it back because Tommy was like, oh, well, I'm sure he didn't tell me for a good reason. And it's like, well, yeah, also, like, Tommy shouldn't be an idiot. Like, Vision has no choice why he was created. He didn't choose.

15:33 So at first when they're making, like, a big reveal and Tommy's going to be mad, it's like, oh, don't do this. You were trying to kill my mother? It's like, he was a fucking robot, man. You know, but I like that Tommy clocked that and was like, well, he didn't tell me for a reason and they seem to be good, so. I enjoyed that they didn't go that route.

15:47 And then my last point, when they put, like, the virus stuff in his girlfriend there, and, you know, they finally kiss and good for them. And then he tried to, like, shake it out by, like, doing this, like, phasing on her. I was like, imagine he just ripped her fucking head off. Like, I could save you. And then, like, he was just, like, again, he went from zero to 100 real quick with these powers.

16:05 There's no way he knew if that would fucking work. Like, yeah, Vision's just like, oh, her vitals are barely... barely there like of course they're.

16:13 Yeah he's just he's just come on they're alive and like i said he was like i was worried for her neck i was like is that what's gonna happen he's an accident killer but uh uh no i think some really strong episodes and i guess next week's already the penultimate so we'll be back on the wednesday and we got a weekly geek but then we'll talk about them but is there anything else from these set of episodes that we hit.

16:31 On No, I think that's it.

16:35 Well, I guess Friday got onto the World Wide Web, too, and followed Ultron into Jocasta's little thing there and pretended to be a bot.

16:43 So that was pretty hype.

16:45 And Dumb and E, they're both talking now, and they've evolved a little bit as well. Everything about this so far is just awesome. This is a fantastic show.