You Can See Everything Spoilers Review : GV 725 Highlight

Yeah, I agree.

So there you go, Taylor. We're done for this week for you there. I'll summon Dylan back. There he is.

Oh, he's lurking here.

When will we see you next day? I guess, yeah. Text me about Friday when you know what's going on. Oh, I guess no. Tomorrow, Halloween.

Thursday.

Yeah, Halloween. There you go.

Happy Halloween, Taylor. Happy Halloween, Dylan.

There you go. So Halloween tomorrow. See you. All right, Dylan.

Hello.

We saw everything. We talked about everything. I will say... I feel like there's not much to say in the non-spoiler section. I would just recommend you go see this. I think the only, not the only thing, but I could say that I feel this works. If you're a Nathan Fielder fan, it works the best if you have seen his other stuff, but I actually think there is quite a bit of way that you can enter this not knowing his other stuff. I think it just enhances the experience, but that's my only non-spoiler stuff. Other than that, I wouldn't really have much to say non-spoilers. That's why I was going to tell people they hadn't to, to, you know, swim away. So.

Yeah, no, I think that's probably pretty apt because this is kind of a very weird convergence of ideas where a lot of people who were following the story of Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes and stuff are coming into this just to see it for that story. And then there's also the people like me who are the Nathan Fielder people.

And I feel like the overlap there is probably extremely small. Or people like me who just started learning about Elizabeth Holmes the last few weeks, kind of getting ready for this. So yeah, I do feel like it kind of, could be a good jumping in point for anyone. But yeah, I feel like as a Nathan Fielder fan, I was very, very well rewarded here for my hard work and diligence of watching all of this stuff for the last 10 years or whatever.

I put in my letterbox that the most successful cinematic universe next to the MCU is the NFCU. And that is the Nathan Fielder cinematic universe because now we'll jump in the spoilers. It's not necessarily the rehearsal season three, because it's like a weird thing where before he'd always like play out the scenario and then do it. it's like, it's the, obviously we'll get to that. There's a reverse that, but it feels very much.

Like, I mean, there's a sequence in it that is in this doc. That is just an episode of the rehearsal or something.

Yeah. So that's where it's like, it just feels like, I don't know how, cause what's so interesting, like in, and it's like a weird comparison. Cause you've only watched a little bit, but stay with me where it's just, when you have characters that are like in Star Wars, Marvel, DC, they stay consistent because they're in that brand. Right. The only thing I've ever seen close to this is, like, when wrestlers switch companies and they keep, like, little things of their personality traits from that company. It's like, oh, well, he's still that. Like, Travis Snail's playing, let's just say, like, the Smasher, right? And it's like, well, now the Smasher does this. He does that. He takes some stuff over.

But Nathan Fielder and, like, Nathan for Hugh, for rehearsal, for this. Am I missing anything? I feel like I'm missing... one other thing in those.

Well the curse but that is kind of like a.

Yeah right that's more active yeah but still even like the promotion of the curse had like lots of like the promotional tour stuff he did with emma stone had like traces of the nathan for you character stuff it's just like it's so impressive that he i just feel like he has such a concise clear point on his character and what works and i think obviously some of it is just him as a person so that's easy but there's clearly some character stuff and there's things in here i'm like you don't have to do this in a doc. You don't have to have the things where if you've watched all these shows that you either get the reference or almost know what he's thinking or you think you know what the character's thinking. I'm just in

awe of the doc, but more so just the Nathan Fielder lore and how concise it still is. I feel like it's an IP that he's just crafted just so specifically. But yeah, it was incredible.

Yeah, no, I absolutely loved it. I mean, it's like three hours long, right? But I was glued in from start to finish. And, you know, going in, I really, I think anything with Nathan, like, even when we had the trailers for rehearsal season two, it's like, I don't know what the F this is about, right? Like, it's so hard to tell from the way his stuff is marketed, like, what you're going to get from it. And I think that was, like, especially true for this, for me here.

It's like, oh, this is a documentary from him. And, like, I didn't really know much about the Theranos or Elizabeth Holmes story up until, like, a week or two ago. uh, before seeing the movie. And so coming into this, I was like, I, the expectations were in a weird spot where I really didn't know what it would be about.

And then obviously some of the trailers were just very strange too. And it's hard to get like much of a vibe. Uh, and I think I was very surprised in that, like, yeah, it was very, it was not a documentary about Theranos, like at all. Right. Like there's like literally a paragraph about what happened with that story.

And then obviously they talk about some of the, a lot of the things that occurred in it, but it's not like a retelling of, in the way that a lot of documentaries are. It's not trying to fill you in on the story.

It's a documentary about.

I don't even know what it's about. It's about Elizabeth Holmes as a human being. It's about Nathan Fielder as a human being.

It's about Billy... What's his last name?

Oh, I don't know.

Billy something. We'll just call the husband Billy. He's in it a lot.

He probably even gets more screen time than Elizabeth Holmes, I feel like, in terms of how much.

He's in this thing.

It's really just about... these people and their connection. I think there, there's so many layers to it, but I think what you mentioned there of like the, the, the Nathan of it all is, is what's so compelling to me, obviously as like a, as a big fan of his stuff. Cause yeah, when you go back to like the first thing he did on that show, what is it called?

This hour has 22 minutes where you had like the Nathan on your side bit, which was like, you know, it was like him in that character, the Nathan Fielder character. Obviously this segment was named after him, And then you go to Nathan for you, which is like, obviously his name is in the show once again. And it's like he is playing himself, but it's like we have to assume it's a heightened version of himself.

Right.

And then he's like, you know, he's more awkward in this than he is in real life or is like little little changes here or there. And then, of course, it's like they record a ton because it's not a scripted show. And then they edit it down to like the most compelling stuff. And then the rehearsal, his name's not in the show, but it's very much about him as a guy. And so I wondered, like, even just the concept of this being a documentary and him almost being like a little bit more removed from the character of it. It's almost like, in a sense, this should be like the most. Oh, I just lost Travis here.

Travis.

Travis is all gone. I guess he was tired of what I had to say about this. I don't know what happened.

I hit the back button.

My internet is so bad that I assumed my internet dropped, but that's how it happened. Where we're at with this is with the documentary setup of this, to me it seemed like we're almost the most removed from Nathan as a character, and this is probably going to be the closest to reality in terms of what he's like, but we still have no idea what this guy is like in real life and the differences between him as a human him as like this character that he plays which is himself in in name and in stature and all this and then like the reality of it and i think that's why i find this documentary so compelling is because the whole documentary is about like elizabeth holmes how authentic is she but at the same time like that's

nathan's whole career and why i find him so fascinating especially with the rehearsal uh season one and two for different reasons but you know big part season two Where it's like, man, I don't know how authentic this guy is and how real this is.

And that's the whole thing with Nathan is reality and like what is real, what isn't.

And so having this parallel between her, who's like this, you know, been said to be this master manipulator and this person who... lies constantly, but she tells you she's never lied in her life or whatever. And then him as this guy who was like, yeah. And then him as this guy who was like, you know, he is playing himself, but there's always these layers are moving.

You never really know what's real.

And I just think the parallel between those two people is extremely compelling in a way that I could never have expected. And I think that was like the thing I was most grabbing onto in here. And yeah, again, it's like not something I could have ever expected.

It's just, it's totally.

I could never have expected what this thing was going to be like, but I just came away from it. Like just engaged by so many different elements of it. Yeah.

It's like a ultimate Jedi master versus a Sith Lord. It's like, but it's also like, you don't know which is which obviously she would be the Sith if she's, you know, guilty for i'm assuming for what she did because like that's you know you just go with the court system was and said and everything but um yeah it's it it is interesting that's where i found interesting too where he'd said at one point to know if he was actually going to be in the doc like nathan field like he would obviously direct and everything but he didn't know about that but once that dynamic kind of happens and kind of sees how close they went and again though how like either how close they went or the footage they got and they could just make

it say oh let's make it look we got closer because like At one point, and this is where it's like two defining things for me of like the movie and like the Nathan Filler character when they're in her kitchen, whatever, and they're looking at the water and she's going for a swim. I don't know if I should go for a swim with you. And then he looks like he looks longingly like he wants to. No, no, I'm not going to do that. And then we learn later on that they did go for a swim together. Right.

And that's where they're like holding hands and splashing and that's.

Where it's like is he doing this because like yeah let's just go for a swim and i do generally like this person or is the second he gets his camera guy it's like oh i got this fucking great like she said go for a swim we go for a swim and we completely make the movie like this right because that's why for me even when he in the press now talks like that's the reason they went this route because him and the director lance oppenheimer They both looked at it differently. Like he felt she was a lot more truthful at times, at least that's what Nathan's saying in the public. And then Lance felt that she wasn't. He thought, oh, well, let's make the dog take that slant where you're kind of in the middle.

I think that's what Amanda Seyfried is supposed to represent as the Lance, like the other director's kind of point of view. But the thing is, with the whole ending there and her being like, oh, I won't say the whole speech, but the whole thing where it is like saying like, oh, why did you just implying that Nathan did like like like her or have feelings for yet to do that? You could say that as like, okay, sure, it's a real thing. But you can also parlay that back to, I think it's either, I think it's the last season of Nathan for you where he has that girl and he just makes her say, I love you a bunch of times. There's a whole episode about Nathan's being lonely and he just wants to fall in love.

So that's where it's like, okay, is this a real thing or is this, again, that just ties in the lore of the Nathan Fielder character. If he's just super lonely looking for a connection and his connections with another person, that's like a. like a pathological liar, right?

And I mean, it's not like they've, more than probably any of his other shows, like the amount of footage, raw footage they have for this and boil it down to three hours is an impossible task. And so everything that's in there feels extremely purposeful. And in this documentary, he says, oh yeah, I just went through a breakup.

So like he's talking about that, which like, again, goes really deep.

Or the phone call in prison. He only has a finite of things he can say to her. And that's what he says.

Oh yeah, I'm okay.

And the other scenes too of like, When she's going away, when she's about to get in the SUV and head off to prison, and the stare they have, and they're really close. They're really close to each other. In any other movie, if this was a scripted thing, they would kiss right there.

That's the vibe you get.

But you think, oh, they're just going to go for a big friendly hug or whatever it is. And of course, none of that occurs. And then the only time we see the hug in that sense is... when it is like the rehearsal thing and it's like a scripted thing. So we don't know how authentic that is to like what the actual hug was like when you visit her in prison.

Right.

And yeah, that, that angle of it is yeah. Extremely compelling.

The fact that they seemingly became like pretty close friends, which makes sense. Like anybody, if you spend two months in a house with them, like you're going to naturally, obviously if you hate each other the whole time, that's going to be miserable. So you kind of become friends over time.

And even the whole thing too, of like, I assume most of it's all real and everything, but at the point where they go, okay, there's lots that happens with the twist in the middle, but they start to reveal when they took the meeting with Billy and he says, okay, we got to get a portion of the funds. At the end of the credits, they reveal that, okay, Billy eventually pulled down and didn't want the funds, but they could have looked at that and been like, well, okay, we're going to say, fuck you, these people, it's our movie now. So that whole thing with him and Amanda acting out the prison thing, that could all be fake.

I'm not going to say all of it because there'd probably be some slander and stuff like that, but there could be a version of that. But that's where you could have the motivation of like, all right, these guys want to profit off it. We're going to spin a story that's maybe not so truthful and we can do whatever we want because there's no cameras there, right? So it's, again, like kind of messing with reality.

I mean, that's definitely a thing, too. I saw some posts of people saying that there's. Like, records that Nathan actually visited her, like, multiple times in prison, right?

I messaged you about this, like, last year when that came out. I was like, oh, that's his next thing. He's visiting her. But I was like, you, I didn't know much about the Thernos thing or anything. I thought, okay, that's his next dog.

Yeah, but, like, they obviously, in the documentary, they frame it in a much more cinematic way, but it was, like, one fateful day. And that is very much the thing that happened in Rehearsal Season 2, where people have, like, gone through, like, the flight records and learned that Nathan... Like, before he did the Miracle in Mojave, he actually flew those planes quite a lot.

Maybe not with.

Which makes sense.

Maybe not a plane full of people, but, like, yeah. Obviously, like, he frames it as much more of a different thing in the show. And it's, like, again, that's played off as a super authentic thing in the show. But then when you get down to the reality of it, like, there's actually... Yeah, he kind of fudges the numbers a little bit. And, again, that's why, like, it's such a compelling thing where so much of this stuff is very inauthentic, but because he... is playing a character who has the same name as himself. It's, and it seems so close to who he actually is as a person. Those lines become super close. And yeah, again, that's like so, so much what is going on with Holmes as a person where so much of the documentary is like focusing on

like this one line from a New York times article where she apparently set a line where she was playing a character. She's disputing it, her and Billy are disputing it, but they don't have the evidence for it. The New York times purpose, a reporter who wrote the article said, you know, wrote the article, but then like, it doesn't have any evidence of anyone saying it.

They won't provide the evidence. Yeah. He said, she said.

And it's such a huge thing. And that's such a, Nathan makes such a big point of that. Like one word makes all the difference here. But again, that's so much of like Nathan as a person too, is like how much of him is this character? Cause he never like says that in interviews. Like, oh, I'm playing a character named Nathan. Like he never talks about that kind of stuff. Or at least I haven't seen, I've seen a lot of interviews with him and I've never seen him say anything like that. Uh, but yeah, like that angle of it and the comparison between them is, is really interesting. Obviously one has a much more sinister under, underbelly to it. But even when like Nathan is like, isn't it funny that I made a show about business

scams and now you're going to prison for a business scam, which obviously to him is like a stupid joke, but it's like the, the similarities between them.

Don't even end there where, It's so funny.

So much of this is Nathan just trying to read this woman. Obviously, that's what the trailer shot, which is now a meme, which is what we do all the time. Him just looking at her, looking deep in her eyes and trying to understand if she's being authentic or not. And if you go back to his last project rehearsal season two, there's a whole like episode about him, like maybe discovering that he has autism and that he can't like read social cues on people's faces.

Right.

And so it's like, man, the whole premise of this is interesting that he is maybe someone who can maybe not read people, even though I think he's actually really good at reading people. And then you have someone who's like said to be a master manipulator. Like how does that dynamic play off each other when they spend like, I don't know, whatever it was a month, two months living in the same house, spending 24 hours together.

It's, Because, yeah, that's the thing. And I think that's where he does it on purpose. But there's too many times in all these shows. But I think especially in this doc, as we talk about the close you see Nathan Fielder, you can see how sly he is. Because there's a moment where she says, and I can't remember the exact wording. And I can't remember what she says and exactly what Nathan says. But then Billy's like, oh, I know exactly what you're going for. or going through.

And then Nathan looks and he's like, no, you don't. He just clocks them right away in a way where they said, oh, Nathan could have picked up on this cue and this cue and this cue. That's where it's like, seeing that episode, we don't know how much of that is like stage and how much of that's true. Or like some people have just high functioning autism, right? So it doesn't even matter. It's like, you may have that, but it doesn't actually affect you. So there's times, especially in this talk, when he clocks things where I go like, okay, like that's where I always think like, I tend to think like, I tend to think even the, it's the prestige thing, right? Of, the old guy with the bowl, like, Oh,

how does he get the bowl? Like how, how does he get this bowl out? And he spends his whole life pretending he's a cripple. So no one thinks he has his bowl in between his legs. And that's why to me, even Nathan, when he's in the interview being like, Oh yeah, we did this doc because like, I just felt like I could trust her and Lance couldn't, I don't even believe that. I don't even believe what Nathan's saying. Like, and that could be true, but it's like, I'm, I'm predisposed to think like he is doing the prestige thing where he's just, he's lit, which I respect. And I love it. I love when those lines get blurred and, He's doing the... Living the magician. He's living the magic to act and everything, right? And even the stuff with

him and Amanda at the end, I feel like it's like... Again, she's an actress. I don't feel it's a genuine conversation they're having, but the way they direct it and they shoot it, it feels like a genuine conversation that they're having at the end when she's like, oh, maybe you do have feelings for her. You have to do that and everything. And when that part happens, which I'd heard like a little bit, but that part, man, Seifert was so fucking good. Whether it was the acting stuff or the real stuff, she was just like, man, that was...

It was such a fun swerve.

You enjoy.

Talk to me more about how you perceived her in this. Because it sounds like maybe I perceived her very differently than you did.

So I think that... So what do you mean? I think there's two sides of her. I think she's mostly acting the whole time. I think there's a few genuine moments when Nathan's showing her the doc, like her watching the doc. I think her on the couch... Up until she says, oh, I've always wanted to play Elizabeth Holmes, like post-trial. I think that's such genuine. The rest of the stuff I think is a performance. That's why I do think there's some people, Dylan, arguing for her to be nominated for Best Supporting Actress. And I kind of agree with that because I think it is her... I'd say 95% it's Amanda Seyfried playing Amanda Seyfried. You know, it's not actually her, but in the way they portray it, I think there's, or like the times at the farm, right?

When like the, the alpaca farts or something and they kind of laugh. Like, I think there's genuine moments of her in there, but I think it is like a predisposed, okay, you can play Amanda Seyfried like this, especially that ending scene where she's like getting through to Nathan. It's like, I don't know if I believe Amanda Seyfried is like breaking down Nathan Fielder right in front of him and he has no idea what's going on. I feel like it's him pouring his thoughts through Amanda, you know?

That's a really interesting read on it, and maybe that just, like, she pissed me off so much in this, in, like, a good way, in, like, a good way that, like, media is making me, you know, art is making me feel things kind of way, but I just found myself so ticked off by her, but, like, I did not really think about the fact that, like, maybe she is extremely inauthentic in this, too, and she is playing a character, or maybe was, like, given a script or something like that, because to me, it really... does seem like they're just talking about this stuff openly, and she was not given any directive.

And I don't know, there's so much in here that really....

When she gets kind of surprised, jump-scared with the phone call with her from prison, and she says a couple things, and then she awkwardly says, like, oh, you're amazing, and trickles away on the phone. I was like, whoa, what a weird... What a weird fucking thing to say to this person.

She was going undercover so she's trying to like because i feel like at that point they want her to be undercover when she's going there and because she's like oh maybe not even like break them up but make them say something yet since i felt like it was that whole thing of oh you're amazing and she's hanging with the kids she's trying to gain his trust so then later on when they have that argument And they're talking about all these political things and everything. And Billy says some kind of outrageous shit. He is nuts. And I feel like that's what she was just trying to coax him in to be trustable. So he could say things like that, like make a threat, because if you're not friendly with this lady, even for a little bit,

you're not going to say that. Cause Billy, I don't think any of this stuff he's saying is a put upon. So I feel like Amanda Seyfried in that thing is a trap. And I feel like it's Nathan being like, Hey, you do this, this and this. And Amanda Seyfried as the actress is taking is like, a Broadway thing. Like, Oh, I'm going to like live this role. Like I'm going to almost do the Nathan Fielder thing. So I don't think much of Amanda Seyfried in this movie is Amanda Seyfried.

That's yeah.

I now I'm really excited to rewatch this and like from that lens of just like not believing that like she's being authentic at all. Cause, and yeah, maybe she's just such a good actress that I genuinely felt like she was being so real and like all these scenes, but yeah, it seemed to me like any, anytime Nathan brought up anything, she was, just seemed to take the stance of believing that Elizabeth Holmes was being authentic. And then it was only, like, once Elizabeth Holmes had, like, apparently the kind of shit on her at the end when she kind of turned and was, like, maybe more cynical is not the right word, but, like, doubting her a bit more. And, like, and then she pushes back on Nathan when he's like, oh, maybe we should change

this line because it felt.

it felt more nice when she said it like that.

And then, and then she kind of like, you know, pounces on him a little bit for that because like, okay, well how are you doing this? Because you want it to feel this way or because like, that's genuinely like what actually happened in that moment, which I think for anyone to recall, well, here's exactly how this conversation went down to like the tone of every single word. Like that's impossible when it's a long sequence.

And that's where the character of Nathan shady for changing it. Right. Cause he almost defends her because he, I can't remember the word, but then Seifert's like, oh, well, that implies she knew. And he's like, oh, well, maybe it was actually more like this. She said it like this. Yeah. It felt like the Nathan Fielder character protecting Elizabeth Holmes.

So again, I still also think that Amanda Seifert's kind of a proxy for the other director as well. Because I don't think the other director's maybe as good of an actor. So I feel like if that's true, where like.

But you're saying the other director doesn't believe in Holmes.

That's what Nathan said. So he said in an interview, I watched it today, where the reason they took the slant with the doc is because they would sit back and watch some of this footage, and they kept disagreeing on what they were seeing. Or Nathan would be like, I see it like... Also, what Nathan said. This could just be a gimmick, right? But he said, hey, Nathan sees it like door A, and Lance sees it like door B, and that's where they have the gimmick.

Whereas Lance, sorry, is the one who's more skeptical.

Yeah, more like, eh, she's pulling the wool.

Yeah, but I feel like isn't Seyfried just totally lopping up every single thing Holmes says until... pretty much the very end when she starts like shitting on her and then she takes that turn but even that's like only like a scene or two but for the most part she just kind of takes everything she says at face value and i think so much of that for her is like oh well billy and i don't think there's any take where someone watches this and is like oh yeah billy he's misunderstood like that guy is just a terrible human being and that like makes everything else by comparison different too right where homes anyone watching this by comparison like oh homes is like way better of a person than billy at least uh and then you know

that makes you feel one way but yeah i feel like cypher just kind of took everything she said at face value in a way that i i found really surprising but again it could all be a character thing too.

Yeah and i feel like she just also did that to be i feel like too because even though holmes is the main protagonist for a bit i feel like aussie nathan becomes that i think to support our character because they want you to go on the journey of, oh, we're believing that Holmes is innocent, that she said this description of a machine, but she meant it wrong, and Billy's the really bad guy. But at the end, it shows that, well, maybe she's just kind of fibbing what she really knows and whatnot, and she also might know exactly what Billy's up to, and it either puts him up to it, or it's just completely fine fit, and just rolls with the punches, right? So that's where I think that Amanda, in my point of view, was instructed

to be like that, where, oh, she has to be, because the doc was telling us and nathan was telling us that where if you have her at the end kind of pushing back it leaves you in an unst like kind of well situation unsturdy because nathan is unsure and she's yeah she's not 100 but she's more sure and she's now saying our protagonist is maybe unreliable by saying like hey this guy yeah this guy who's made this doc for three hours maybe is an unreliable narrator because he has feelings for and then you're like oh like Is there worse stuff we haven't seen? So, yeah, it's super interesting. I love her being in this. This is a fun dynamic.

Yeah, I didn't. It's funny.

All the hours and hours and hours I've thought about this thing now, I did not consider that angle from her. So that totally adds a whole other wrinkle to this as well.

Yeah. It could just be her and it could just be someone that's an actress and does not do investigative journalism, right?

Yeah, it could be.

And the other thing that I was really side-eyeing when she was saying, when she was talking about how, oh, the show we made, I wasn't playing you. I was playing a character who was inspired by you. And she was trying to offload a lot of responsibility of, oh, when you make a show like this, it can impact the people's views on a certain subject in a really strong way and i feel like she was really trying to deflect the fact that that's like what they were doing and when when when nathan was like quizzing her on like oh but like the machine didn't blow up and like blood was everywhere she's like oh no we kind of added that but it's like oh it's not a big deal and and you know it's it's like i i'm almost like in nathan's view it to some

extent where i'm like saying these things almost like in defense of homes even though i am not taking his stance on either side But again, it's.

Him defending her, right? It's him trying to believe the Holmes character is not a bad person, right?

Yeah. But my point with that is that the stuff Seyfried was saying there kind of really pissed me off. I feel like the way she was trying to offload any responsibility of when you make art like this and what it can do to people's lives. Now, again, assuming Holmes is a master manipulator and is... a terrible person and you know i don't really care so much if she's like feels bad about this depiction of her or anything like that uh but yeah it it it did strike me as a bit odd that she uh almost was she was almost like downplaying like what their project was in a way but i just been like oh don't worry about it was just like a little thing like we weren't actually trying to you know be authentic

with like the story we were telling there which doesn't really seem the case i've not seen that show so i don't i don't know all i've seen from that show is the elements that are shown in, uh, me either.

You can see any, you can see everything.

So yeah, it's made me want to watch a show now, even though I know it's like a probably complete, it looks so cheesy.

Like I, I don't, I don't know if I, it makes me want to watch it less. Like I've, but again, I probably should, I should probably watch that and then watch, you can see everything again.

The only reason I want to watch is like, it's the beginning when I was saying like the, the NFCU, now the Nathan Fielder cinematic universe is brought in like the dropout. Like that's technically part of the Nathan, like to like for that context. So yeah, i only want to watch it for like homework purposes and just almost see like okay what did she watch and in the moment when amanda's like oh man i couldn't imagine what she was thinking all watching this because there's some some really like cheesy or just like potentially bad stuff in there right.

So abbott as the fucking rehearsal guy for billy it's hilarious.

It was like because i had heard whispers that i didn't know it was this size role but i just saw that man's life for like completely dodged the question of like, oh, you in or you have anything? And I think she was just like, oh yeah, I have nothing to do with that. It was a weird actor answer way where it's like, okay, you could just be like, no, I'm super excited. It's like, okay, she didn't want to say anything. So I had an idea that she was a part of this somehow, but when it popped up, I had no idea and fuck, he was really good.

And I bet that happened because just last year they had like an Oscar movie. It didn't get a bunch of nominations, but it came out. So I guarantee you, he approached her around the time she was making that movie. And she probably was like, Oh, I'm working with this guy, Christopher Abbott. He'd be great for X, Y, and Z.

And plus he already worked with Emma Stone on the curse. Right. And he was in poor thing. So like there's multiple Abbott connections to that. So I thought he was, uh, he was fantastic. And he's a guy that like, again, I still don't picture him as Xavier. I still am going to need a big stretch there, but he's a guy these last few years I've been like, okay, I I'm, I'm on the Abbott train at first. First I saw him like, I don't know, but I'm, i'm getting it out but again i like them playing weird roles so again with xavier i'm like that's that's a different that's not me the box i want him and i want him stuff like this where he's just like an asshole and it's just he's an oddball but yeah it was

um no notes on the on the avid uh casting there.

So i mean i don't know if we've like explicitly said this yet and obviously uh you know this is a spoiler section but like This movie is fucking hilarious. And I was dying laughing so much. Most of it is just like little Nathan things. But, you know, it's like when Billy takes over of like mixing the eggs.

And Nathan's like, why'd you do that? And he's like grilling him on that.

Dying laughing.

Anytime Nathan's creeping in a corner or he's like his silhouettes in the background.

And he's got... It's so funny.

In like a rehearsal, like the Nathan Fielder iconic outfit is like him and is like his laptop thing.

Thing that he can use.

So it's also like a clipboard that he has for a laptop. And in this, these goofy old school looking headphones that he has all the time. I love that that's just part of the iconic look. So anytime he's just around, uh, naturally I'm, I'm, I'm cracking up at certain things, but yeah, this, this is a very, and like Billy, just how stupid and absurd and almost anything he said is, is like i was laughing a lot through this thing and my theater was too everyone was having a great time especially the people directly the four people on either side of me they were really into it and so i was in a nice little cubby corner too of people who were really having a good time.

That's good yeah because i i saw the 10 p.m one but there's actually like like 15 17 people there's.

Okay mine was like pack except for the front.

Row yeah i i had to go for a later one just like because three hours during the day okay i'm not gonna get doing that but uh no i could tell you could tell even in my small crowd you could tell the people that were though the nathan fielder people and the people seeing because the hype which is not a bad thing either way but you can see like just even little stuff like what billy's naked and nathan kind of just walks by and stuff it's a funny moment but the way i could tell people that watch nathan react it's just the way nathan's like he's just moving in that scene he's just he's just again he's doing this like almost sticky comedy thing so uh no it was uh it was, it was great.

Like you said, very funny, lots of good stuff. Definitely near the back half, it gets more serious and it's more the last half an hour, but even then there's still just, just little moments and just, he'll just comment on stuff and just the way he, he, the way he'll like lay out a scenario will make you chuckle.

Like this is even so, so bonkers the way we're talking about this right now, you know, like, Oh, well even the whole planning of the call with Elizabeth Holmes is just, it feels like a fucking like bank heist and stuff. But yeah. Yeah.

The scene when Nathan insists on showing the two of them that old comedy routine.

Who's on next?

Yeah, and she just completely misunderstands that. Do you see that as a genuine reaction from her? Or is that somehow her trying to manipulate the situation?

I'm on the latter. I just take it as a way of like when people do something really bad and they plead insanity and they got to keep up that gimmick the whole time. That's how I am with her, especially with like, I don't know the whole story, but from what I've heard, and it seems like she was a very successful at times, smart lady. I don't think people that would just have, I think you can, like I can do all the time, misunderstand anything. But in that context, when he explained it so hard to her and she still didn't get it, that's where I was like, eh, That's too much. And that's where, too, and that's where I think they were both acting. That clip when Holmes is like, yeah, and I'm getting no financial gain from this.

And they're like, see, she didn't know. I'm like, I didn't read that at all that way. I read that as like, this is her last interview. And she just happens to mention, oh, I'm getting no money and no gain out of this. So what's the matter to me? I didn't feel at all. But that, to me, was the thing that locked me in that I felt like Amanda was acting because they both were just like. yeah, she doesn't know. Oh my God. They're like treating like this mystery. So yeah, I, I think for, uh, Holmes on the who's on next, uh, I think she got it, but she was, cause that's her whole plea thing. Right.

Or her whole gimmick is like, Oh, it was just explained wrong. You know, like this, this machine, like he can test anything with the right, like with the right, right amount of.

The way she, her inability to like answer a question is crazy in this.

Yeah.

It's so funny.

Cause Nathan is like in all of his stuff, he always just, any little thing someone says, he'll, you know, dig deeper on it.

If someone says something that sounds a little bit off, he'll like question them on it.

And he's kind of a master at like picking things apart that people say. And when you have someone like that, who obviously in this context where you're living with them for two months, it's hard to like keep up that facade like 24 seven like that. But also like, yeah, Nathan is like ready to pick up any word you're saying.

And so I thought it was interesting that, There wasn't like some or at least there wasn't in the edit like some smoking gun moment where she just like accidentally admitted to something like she keeps up the fucking facade. And yeah, maybe, you know, you can see through it in certain moments where it feels like she's obviously just like bullshitting. But yeah, I was like in the way that Billy just outs himself as.

A terrible person.

I thought it was interesting that Holmes doesn't, and maybe that's, you know, Nathan protecting her in the edit too, possibly of not showing her worst moments, but I feel like he would, uh, you know, show her if she had said something like.

Even more damning in this.

Uh, but yeah, I thought the, the extremely sympathetic take that it seemed to have, um, from, from Nathan's perspective, I thought was really interesting.

Yeah.

It's, it's that dynamic to having the other director, uh, lance on on this who maybe has like a very different take but he's not like an on-camera character other than what i guess is he because he's one of the people at like the table when they're discussing money but i don't know if that's an actor playing him or if that's actually him i.

Could remember that i don't know the actor yeah because i don't know what he like i'd seen him but i didn't look at the actor i feel like it is him in the scene yeah i think.

But moral of the story is he's not an on-camera character like with homes and billy like he's just only in that rehearsal ass moment yeah and oh.

Sorry his name is lance oppenheim not oppenheimer so he's not related to uh oppenheim robert but uh yeah he also i haven't seen yet but he's directed the primetime movie the raw passing one so he did that right yeah so he's definitely he's definitely in like a a vibe right now because i'm sure primetime tackles not like the exact same issue but similar things as far as reality and playing with and everything so um Yeah, no, I'm excited to watch it again because I'm going to try to, when it's on VOD, I want to watch it with Emily because she's seen some of his stuff and she'll chuckle. Then she's seen stuff like the, God, what's the pilot's name? In rehearsal that he lived his whole life.

Oh, Sully Sullenberg.

Yeah, yeah, Sully. she saw parts of the Sully episode and fucking hated that so much. Yeah, and the baby. We were literally talking about that today, and then you sent that GIF. And you sent the GIF. I was like, look, Dylan sent it there. So there's been times where she was watching Nathan for you, and he'd pitch her a show, and she'd laugh. Because I feel like you get, in my opinion, for the mainstream, I feel like you get the best Nathan Fielder bits that are very more accessible, where sometimes, especially the rehearsal, gets very deep into like okay you're you know the you're into some weird stuff and i i like the season so i'm into the weird stuff but i think it's for you know is rehearsal nathan is a very uh collective group of people

where nathan free is a bit broader i think there's some episodes that are a bit more like okay this is more for his fan base but yeah it's more like sticky and sasha baron cohen like oh look at i'm making a farce of what's going on here Where this, I feel like because of the situation, you get to see him, but it's not... There's long breaks where he's on camera, but he's not the main focus. He's just around where rehearsal, Nathan, for you, he's always the driving force of those things, right? So I think it's a good balance there. And yeah, so I'm excited to watch it with her because she had no idea about that stuff too. I'm like, okay, I think this is a good way to like... And that's what I said at

the beginning. I think people that don't know anything about Nathan Fielder can watch this one and get in there. Where like the rehearsal, I'd never throw someone... like feet first in the rehearsal. I bet. Okay. You got to watch Nathan for you first. See if you like this. Then if you do go to rehearsal and kind of, you know.

I know I need to talk to more people who have seen his stuff in like weird orders because yeah, I'm sure a lot like rehearsal season two was a pretty big deal. And I think a lot of people like just jumped in on that without watching season one and then like have jumped back to other things and haven't seen Nathan for you at all. And yeah, I'm curious how the, how you would feel about all these things watching them because it does feel I think if I had to pick overall Nathan for you, probably just because of quantity, I would say is still my.

Favorite thing of his.

But I do feel like there's kind of an evolution and like definitely a through line between his stuff. I mean, even like Nathan for you, there's a lot of episodes in that that are just like little mini rehearsal things like Smokers Aloud or something like that is very much like a rehearsal type episode.

And this, yeah, this movie has a ton of.

These recreations as they call them here, but they're essentially the same concept as the rehearsal stuff. So yeah, it's, it's, just cool and weird and extremely different. And you just, you don't get anything like this. He's truly just continually making one of a kind stuff. Uh, that is, I don't know, just endlessly impressive to me. And, uh, I just, I just can't believe how much I loved this documentary.

I just didn't think I would come away with this positive on it. Like definitely, uh, my movie of the year.

Well, that's good. I was going to say, are you going to, cause I don't know if they're Siri, you, Are you going to make it your Golden Geeks pick?

Well, Kirkland wanted to watch this, right? He did. He was pretty keen.

And I don't know if Taylor's going to be my guy on this one. I don't know if he's going to be the one who would be helping me raise it to the top, but he surprises me. Sometimes, like I had Triple R one year, I made that mine, and he.

Was on my side with that.

I always feel a little bit bad with dropping a three-hour one on people, but I think since Kirkland's already on the cusp, maybe I'll just hope he watches that on his own time, and then.

Then I won't make it my pick. I don't know what else I'd make my pick.

I think what I want to make my pick, which I haven't seen yet, is History of Concrete, assuming I love that as much as I love this. I think I will, because I'm as into John Wilson as I am Nathan Fielder. He's just earlier on in his career.

Yeah, it's interesting about.

Wouldn't it be crazy if my two favorite movies of the year are two documentaries?

Wouldn't that be awesome and cool?

That'd be cool, yeah. If they're well made, it makes sense. I think taylor could like it as far as just the like he's a big questioner so i think that's the side of nathan fielder in this doc he might appreciate it's like when you said oh he's always asking questions like when he's interviewing billy about how they fell in love again we fell in love he's like like just there like a couple hours ago a couple hours ago how come you just fell in love after two hours like not usually stuff you ask people right like obviously as a documentarian you do but if you just say oh i fell in love with her for a site you know it's like oh but why you know what he will he'll oh why did you do that and i feel like okay you know nathan taylor could

like some of those nathans so we'll see but yeah we've never had a doc in golden geeks but uh yeah it would be an interesting conversation with those guys so i think it might come back around because yeah i definitely have it in my like top three or five. It was, it was up there for this year. And I was kind of worried cause we didn't have the screenings and we got them after I was really worried.

People were like overhyping it. And I was worried. It was a lot of people that maybe weren't familiar with Nathan Fielder. So if it was going to be like, Oh, this guy is so fucking crazy. And don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be hipster trash. Cause I, for Dylan told me for many years to watch an event.

I did once I had like Paramount plus and I just binged everything he did. But I thought it was going to be a lot of that where it's a lot of like, Oh, have you seen this guy? And it's like, okay. it's not that it wouldn't be good but it's like i've seen the gimmick so i know what he does but it is like okay this is like what he does like i said in a it's in a new light but then the exact same light it feels almost like it's similar because i think we talked about some what you've been watching where rehearsal season two felt like it was a culmination of his entire career this again feels like that it feels like this is a comic like everything's been building towards this so now it's like i don't know what the fuck he

does next he not only be cooking something but like and i mean more in this sense not the like curse or like a drama like that i understand he can do something but i don't consider also like that curse like that's not nathan fielder lore character that's just him i think doing similar isms but that's not that's not nathan fielder that's you know the curse character so whatever he does more in a realistic sense i'm obviously interested.

So yeah i i was looking into it too because there was weirdly some takeaways i had from like comparisons to this to The curse, but as far as I can tell, it seems like this project or him, like, meeting Holmes or anything like that didn't start until, like, well after the curse was already out or at least, like, past filming and stuff like that. But even just some similarities of, like, kind of having this couple of, like, Billy and Holmes in the case of this versus, like, Emma Stone and Nathan's characters in that show where, like, anything that has to come across from like that duo company as like kind of shady, it like, uh, like, like the, the man in the relationship is kind of the one who takes the brunt force of like taking the,

the shitty like feedback and stuff like that. And I feel like there was kind of some similarities between like, yeah, you kind of, you kind of hate Nathan's character in the curse because of, uh, a lot of stuff going on there intentionally. So, and then I kind of love them because it's just Nathan Fielder just doing stupid stuff. Right.

But yeah, there's weirdly some comparisons there that I don't think were planned or anything.

I didn't think... It seemed like that way for a moment.

Maybe there was inspiration in the curse from him doing this, but I think the timelines don't quite line up. But I thought it was interesting nonetheless that there is some similarities there.

Yeah. No, it's... That's the thing with this project. It's all different, but then there's a little DNA of it all over. So yeah. No. I'm always excited to see what's next. I'm excited to watch this doc again and talk about it with other people too.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen. Got a juicy episode. Thought, oh, it'll be an hour and a half. There you go. Two hours of just us talking about small stuff. Let us know. And we don't have like a... I know some people talked in the Discord about using spoiler tags and stuff, so we can talk about it there. But also, you can see it in the channel. But yeah, let us know there, Patreon, YouTube, whatever. Any questions, any theories.

Love to hear those about this or anything else we talk about in the episode.

Yeah.

Next time you're here for us, it'll not be boring. Happy Halloween.

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