S11E18: IS POST-PARTUM DEPRESSION ANY DIFFERENT THAN DEPRESSION ( guest, Stefania Freda)

Hello my beautiful survivors, how are you? This is Karina from Stroke Surviving the Odds, the podcast where the mission of the show is to help you move forward past the events of the stroke. Reclaim your life, reclaim your identity. As for me, I suffered a brain stem dissection. I was 25 years old.

It led me to coma in a locked in syndrome. But as you can see, I am living my very best life. You guys are a very big part of it. And Stephania, also my guest today is a very big part. I want to do a little bit of clean house reminds you that if you're listening on audio, Spotify, iTunes, Apple, please go right ahead, like and follow and share, share with Sugar Bear, share with the world that the movement of stroke survivors is not going anywhere. And we are there to support each other and find a way to have a much more fulfilling life.

Now, I did promise you guys that I'm going to have these guests that are going to rock your world, guests that are coming from every different branches of survival. Like I said, we are not all stroke survivors, but we are all survivors of something. And today's guest is not any different. So I need to read this because it's it's quite impressive. It's quite impressive guys, and I'm not saying this lightly. First of all, Stefania has a bachelor's in education here in Montreal at McGill University.

She has been a Mesoteraport for the last 20 years and she decided just like that to go back to school and get a degree in pharmaceutical as a pharmaceutical technician. Now Madame works as an auxiliary specializing in Alzheimer's and she has a private client that she's working with. And Stefania has had her share of being different, if you will, of of hurdles over the years. She has type 2 albinism that allowed her to learn how to be different, and she's going to talk about that today on helping different has impacted, affected and made her life a little bit better.

But the reason why she's here is that she's so much more than that. Believe it or not, behind all this, Stefania has lived a night. She has given birth to two beautiful children and after giving birth to her second child, she has suffered from postpartum psychosis. So she has an amazing pedigree.

But she's here to share again her story of being different, how her knowledge now can impact your life. So. Oh, and I forgot an important thing. Guys, she is my Friday night karaoke buddy. Yes, you guys know I love karaoke. She is my my bestie karaoke girl. So without further note for the news, I'm giving you the floor. Stefania, please.

Thank you so much for accepting the invitation. Karina, thank you so much for having me. Hello, everyone. Yes, my name is Stefania. I am Karina's friend. I'm actually honored to be your friend. She's quite something. She's very loud. Yes, in karaoke, she's one of the loud ones. She wasn't there last night.

And Mike said, where's Karina? It's so quiet here. She's great. I love her spirit. I love her sense of humor. She's she's wonderful. So I'm glad we met. Thank you. So yes, a little bit about me. Yes, that was my bio. I'm 53 years old. I love to to sing karaoke. I'm actually a soprano and I used to sing for weddings at my church. So I've done a lot of opera as well. And I'm part of a choir, actually looking for another one a little closer to home.

So that's what I enjoy. I enjoy singing. I enjoy just having a good time. I'm a goofy person, and I love to make people laugh. Sometimes people meet me for the first time and they get a sense that I'm a very kind person. And they see that maybe right away for some reason. And they ask me, you've suffered a lot in life.

And I look at them and I'm always surprised when somebody says to me, you've suffered a lot in life. And I answer yes. I answer honestly. And I said yes, I have suffered a lot in my life. And sometimes suffering either makes you a very hard person or it makes you very empathetic towards others.

And that is me. Give me one, give me one SEC, Stephania, that you just brought something because I want this to be conversational. I want as if as if we're having a coffee around the table and our guests, our listeners and yours are sitting down with us. You said something extremely important. Let people figure out and actually reading your your, your bio as you sent it to me, I had this huge respect and sense that you have empathy and compassion and that is why you look so kind and so giving.

That was my first impression of you and and I and you exude that in you. That's a gift you have. I like to care for others. I'm a natural, I guess, caregiver. Yes, I do have a bachelors in education, but when I went to to teach during my stages, I realized it wasn't my place. I love children, but it's really not the same as teaching them. So I did finish my bachelors.

It took me, I, I took a one year break because my mother had passed away when I was 19 years old. And that was very difficult for me as well. That's another trauma that I survived and that's made me stronger because at 19 years old, I had to take over a household. And my dad at 53 was completely helpless as, you know, an Italian, an Italian man, you know, I always joke that he couldn't even boil water.

So, you know, I had to. I had a 13 year old brother still at home. So I had just started at McGill. I was taking six classes. And you know, people say, well, didn't you enjoy downtown as a McGill student? And I said, no, I don't even know downtown. I sometimes I'm a tourist in my own city. Because. I would go to classes and I would run home, cook and clean and, you know, take care of of a household at 19. So I did that for two years.

And then, boy, I crashed and I had a little meanie depression there. And then I I did end up going back after a year and I did finish my bachelor's, but I didn't enjoy the experience of being in a classroom for elementary school children. And then that's when I decided to, to go into massage therapy. But makes sense.

Yeah. Getting back to that whole being and pathetic. It's just my natural caregiving, I guess, because I had to start earlier to be a caregiver. It's just part of my nature, I guess. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. It is. And I, I listen. When when you took care of your dad, your dad was our age because we are both 53. Yep.

And and I can understand him being a man, losing the love of his life and and you having to take on all this big motherly responsibility and being your own person at the same time. So yes, it was a dramatic time for you. Absolutely. Yeah. Because you. Know my mom wasn't. She wasn't sick, so we just found her on the couch, passed away. She died in the middle of the night of a massive heart attack. And, you know, she was only 48.

So sorry. So what? So when I turned 48, that was a hard year for me. I'm like, oh, my God, am I going to die like her? You know? But 48 came and went, and here I am at 53. And, you know, I've had some scares in the past of, you know, fainting here and there. But you know what? My heart is OK. And, you know, I try to live my life one day at a time and I try to live my best life and I try to be kind because we never know what someone is going through. When we first meet them.

Or even if we see a stranger on the street, a smile or a hello doesn't cost anything because we don't know what a person is going through. That is so true. I like that you're saying that. Yeah, I keep talking about paying for paying it forward. And. And one way to make ourselves feel better is by being kind, holding the door, smiling, saying hi, just conversing with people. We might be the only hello that they get all day. I know.

And sometimes I like. Just a hug. It's. Sad. It's sad when we think about that, eh? Wow. Now may I talk a little bit of I know nothing of albinism, albinism, albinism, I know nothing. Can you educate us very briefly and tell us how it has impacted your life? Well, there, I'll start with the the basics.

There's different types of albinism. So type 1, Type 1 is the typical albinism that we see with the very, very white hair and the typical pink around the eyes. Usually the eyes are very very light blue. Which is not the. Case and they're considered legally blind. Typically their eyesight is anywhere between 20 / 100 to 20 / 200.

Legally blind. Obviously they're not allowed to drive. They're very limited in their, you know, physical activities in terms of, you know, seeing around what's going on around them. Doesn't stop them from doing whatever they want to do, but they're limited in certain careers, limited in, in certain things. Then there's type 2, which is what I have, which is I do have a bit more pigment in my.

That's what it affects, basically albinism. Effects. The, the, the melanin in our skin and it affects our eyes because our eye shape is actually, instead of round, it's, it's, it's more shaped like a football. So it affects the retina. You know, I, I mean, I don't have all the scientific jargon, but so type 1 is that I do have a little bit more melanin.

Mind you, I still burn in the sun. I have to stay away from that and and I'm not considered legally blind, OK? I still am not allowed to drive in Quebec, OK, I still wouldn't pass the driver's license, eye, eye exam. But it's never stopped, you know, it's never stopped me. Right now, if you look at me, you're like, no, she's not albino because she has, you know, dark eyelashes and eyebrows.

That's just fake Stefania 'cause I I dye my eyelashes, I get a lash lift every couple of months and I dye my eyebrows. If not, they'd be as pale as my hair color and the hair color is natural blonde. So yes, nice blonde. Nice, see I thought you were getting streaks or something added to it. Natural.

Wow, this. Is this is all natural? So obviously I get questions and comments and what nationality I am and and then there's albinism, which is called just ocular albinism. So you can actually be albino. You know, some people find the word offensive albino. I don't. But you can actually be albino just in your eyes. OK, wow.

You wouldn't? Wouldn't. Be able to tell so it just effects their eyesight. So right now unfortunately I'm dealing with some skin cancer issues so I'm I'm having cream from my elbows down to my hands and on my forehead. I've covered it up with foundation this morning, but OK, basically I'm on fire because those are the effects of the side, you know, the side effects of this cream that I have to use for a couple of.

Weeks, OK. And this is the side effects of being in the sun even though like I'm always in the shade, I. Put the sun block. You know, but you know, thank God, you know, I don't live in California. I don't live in Africa. So albinism in North America is usually one in 17,000 births. In Africa, it's actually more prevalent. And yes, yes, and South America as well. Unfortunately, we still have a lot of education to do, especially in Africa where there are countries where albinos are considered to have magical powers. So they will chop off a person's arm and they will use them in magical.

Spells. Spells, potions, So. Oh my God. I know that there were twin brothers actually from Tanzania that were flown over, I believe to Montreal to protect them from all this. And I think they. Really. Wow. So it's, you know, it's quite sad, but at the same time it, it requires a lot of education.

And then I get the questions like I get the questions like, are you from Albania? Albania is a country. It is not related to albinism. It is not related at all at all. Can I ask you something? Yes, growing up, because I'm guessing that this is from birth like you said, right? Yes. So growing up, how was it when you were younger? How how, how did kids react to that? Were you bullying to?

I don't know. I have so many questions you. Have a lot of questions that I will try to answer as many as I can. Basically I'll put it mildly as but I'm very honest. Obviously I don't have a filter. It was living hell OK as a child because living in as an Italian, if I was maybe living in an Irish neighborhood, going to a school where all the other kids were blonde, it would have been easier. But as an Italian, being surrounded by Italian kids who are usually darker, yes, I was heavily, heavily, heavily bullied.

I was called all the names that you can think of, Ghost Casper the Friendly ghost Snow White snowman. I would come home crying every single day. And obviously, it broke my mother's heart, you know, And we decided to deal with the principal and the teachers and. But they were limited in, you know, bullying was not sensitized as it is now. I mean, I grew up in the 70s, right? It's like, you know what?

Kids toughen up, right? Yeah. So sometimes I would fight back, but usually, I mean, I was a small little skinny little girl and I was, you know, I was a short little thing. So it was usually from the boys. The girls usually left me alone. But I really very, I became very quiet. I became very introverted.

I didn't speak my mind and I became very alone. Very. It's it's, it's funny because today when like I obviously know you for a few years now and when we look at you, you are now I see what more as an extroverted person that speaks her mind, because back then you did not speak your mind. Now you're now you're stepping into your own and you say no fucking why am I going to take that shit anymore? I didn't know if we were allowed to swear in this podcast, but you just.

You are. You are allowed to swear in this podcast. It took me a long time to become my own person, to not have a filter, to say fuck this shit, I am who I am. It took me a long time to accept myself for who I was, to embrace my albinism. And yes, I do. What tip can you give, Stephania? Hold on.

What tip can you give people to accept themselves the way they are? How did you do it? I finally realized that if you don't like yourself, that's on you. We don't need somebody else to validate ourselves. No, you don't. You have to like yourself for who you are because in the end, you have to live with yourself. You can have other people liking you or not. In the end, it doesn't make a difference whether somebody likes you or not.

You have to like yourself. You're the one living with yourself. You're living in your own skin. You know yourself. And if you don't know yourself, try to get to know yourself. Get the help you need. Get there that. Oh, I like that. Do what you gotta do to get yourself where you need to be to have a voice, because everybody has a voice.

And if somebody has squashed your voice or an event has squashed your voice, reclaim it. Do everything you can to reclaim your power and your voice. I love to thank you and and by the way guys, Stefania says that from the heart. her and I don't really talk about business because when we see each other is usually on Friday night. So this is coming from her heart. Did you hear what she said?

Reclaim your power, step up and be your own advocate. Nobody else is coming. Nobody is coming to save you but you. That's basically what she said. Am I understanding correctly? Oh, you're understanding it perfectly. It took me a while to figure that out, that nobody is going to protect me. Nobody is going to come and save me.

I have to do it myself. There's people that can love me. I mean, my husband adores me. He loves me. He he'll fight for me. He'll defend me. But you know, in the end, I have to stand up for myself. And boy, do I stand up for myself. Now. Ohh, I guess you do. I, I I don't get bullied. Nobody pushes me around.

I am not shy. I will call out the bullshit when I see it, even 'cause you know, I don't drive because of my albinism. So even if I'm on the bus and I see something that doesn't sit right with me, I will get up and call the person. Out I Oh my God, you and I have that in common too. Yes, I'm known to be the one that says, excuse me, can you close your phone?

Can you lower your phone? Can you not so many? Times say that. So many. Yes, and tell me something your kids are how old? My daughter is 21, she's in university, She's studying Italian and some of the classics. She has a a boyfriend presently in Rome. She's. In love. And. La Bella Vita. Si la Bella Vita. Yes and my son is 16.

Drives me absolutely crazy every day. Welcome to 16 Tell me I never asked you is any one of your two children albino as well or has albino albinism? No, no, no. OK, so they're they're, they're like Mike, they're Italians and. How it works is for you to have albinism, both your parents need to carry the genes.

So it's a recessive gene. So I actually so your. Parents have the gene. Both my parents carried the albinism gene and the odds are pretty astronomical that I came out like this. But for for my kids to have children, let's say that are albino, my daughter would have to have to have her partner that also would carry.

She would have to carry the gene. She might because of me, but she'd have to have somebody. Her partner needs to carry the gene. And then the child having albinism, you know, is another. Story I'm hearing a lot of in you and what in your story and the way you're delivering and you're saying, and I'm learning about you. I hear a lot of accountability, a lot of acceptance in who you are and whatever you don't accept, do something about it. And like, I know at the beginning I said empathy and compassion.

That's you. That is Stefania, you know, Stefania Freda, empathy, compassion, you know, that's that's part of your description, of course, growing up, because now I think we're going it before psychosis. I want to talk about the albinism and the challenges now. You talked about your challenges when you were growing up.

Now, As for your children, how was it for them to live with a mom that was an albino in you know? I don't think it affected them at all because I did all the activities that a mom would do, except I wasn't able to drive them around, so they had it even. I think it was even more fun for them in a way in quotations.

I guess. I would have to bring them on the bus and we would have to take the metro and, you know, so instead of driving places to the mall, I would stack them up in the stroller, up and down the stairs and get them into the bus in the metro. And, you know, I did a lot more of that with my daughter than I did with my son, OK, because she started daycare when she was only like 3 1/2.

Whereas my son, because I got so sick, he had to start right away as a as a small baby. So I did a lot more activities with my daughter and, you know, if I ever needed a lift, well, you know, my husband Mike was, was always around if I needed something. My but. I was very, I was very independent and nothing, my albinism has never stopped me from doing anything.

I always find a way around it, you know, but. Yeah, I through it. I like that you adapted. You adapted, right? Yeah. Now what I I, I want to talk about for the last few minutes is how postpartum psych. Now, before we get into that, according to the psychosis area, I want you to realize that all the crap you've gone through from the time you were your mom passed, you took care of your dad and your family.

You went to school, you did university, you you did your stash, you you continued. So all that shows a lot of resilience, a lot of balls of steel. OK, Yeah, this is the way I describe it. So, and I think that now you're dealing with other health issues. Had you not deal with all that, this is coming from me, Karina, had you not dealt with all that, you would probably have had a hard time dealing with your psychosis and now your new health issues.

This is me talking to you and and having compassion and getting you. But now tell me, I'm going to shut up. Tell me about the how, how did it happen? I've never heard of such a thing. The psychosis? Tell me. Well, I've heard it on Oprah back in the day. Well, it's back in the news now. There's another trial going on somewhere in the States.

Her name is Lindsey Clancy. Unfortunately, that's her OK. Yeah, she killed her three children. She actually strangled all three of them in her basement while her husband was doing errands. And apparently that had been a good week for her. So her husband was able to leave her alone with the three kids, and she strangled them.

And then she called 911 and she said, you know, something has happened to the children. And it's very sad. We need to, OK, have more education for postpartum psychosis. It's very rare. It happens very rarely. But when it happens, it's extremely dangerous because the person usually goes into either hallucinations or they hear voices.

And she was hearing voices telling her that now, now is the time to do it. And and then she tried to kill herself. That is out of scaring. Stefania, yeah, she jumped out of the window and now she's unfortunately paralyzed. So. That's her, but I want to talk about you. Yes, so. About news. Thank you for telling me. Yes, so it's been in the news, so that's why I wanted to. To mention it.

Thank you. I'm going to pray what happened. What happened to me is like my pregnancy was, was normal, but it was a surprise and a shock because I was not supposed to get pregnant with my second child. I had actually, I had an IUD in place. So obviously the IUD was not inserted properly. And yes, I got pregnant. So I got pregnant.

It was, you know, verified that there was no IUD. I had obviously lost it and I was pregnant. So the doctors, the first question they asked you, I was at the Victoria at the time, which is now the Glen. And so the doctors asked me, you know, what is it that you wanna do? So I called my husband because he didn't come to emergency with me.

He was taking care of our five year old at the time. And yeah, he says well, you know, I said well you know, we're gonna keep it, obviously. So we will. We'll keep it. So I think that started it already in my head, because in my head there was a reason why I put that IUD. I didn't want another.

Children. No, because I already had my daughter. We had struggled five years with infertility and she was a result of the 5th. Insemination finally worked with her, so it was a lot of suffering to have my daughter. So I said I'm good, I have a child. I don't want any more children. Yeah. So I got this IUD and then when I found out I was pregnant, I guess part of me was a little resentful. And I guess at the time, you know, I, I felt that my husband was happy and I said, OK, well, it's happened now. We'll keep this baby, right?

Yeah. So I think that's part of already how it started, right? Yeah, I was already taking. Actually, I think it's at the beginning of the pregnancy where I started. I had maybe stopped for a couple of years. I had started taking my antidepressant again. I was on Effexor OK XR at 37.5 milligrams, which by the way is not a therapeutic dose.

Therapeutic dose starts at 75 milligrams. Yes. Yes, for that, for that particular, for that particular compound. So 37.5 was not a therapeutic dose. And my mood, yes, I felt fine. But I guess, you know, it wasn't enough to prevent whatever happened after. So the pregnancy in general was normal.

You know, I had the, I had the Braxton Hicks. It was a couple of scares, but nothing in general. And I gave birth 37 weeks to a healthy baby boy who was 7 lbs four oz. And I give, I, I give birth like a cat, really. I, it's very quick. It was less than four hours. Wow. My water broke and I hadn't even realized that I was slowly leaking. So it was a regular doctor's appointment. And she's like, girl, you got no amniotic fluid left, we got to get you.

You know you're giving. Birth. You're giving birth today and it was a Saturday 'cause my OBGYN is absolutely crazy and she was working all the time, so it was actually a Saturday. So my husband had to go back home, get the bag, you know, figure out what to do with, with Diana, my daughter. And so a few hours later, there he was. It was, you know, 8:00 at night and he was born. So the first I would say week was fine, but then it started. And I could what?

Started What started started I it was absolutely no sleep, OK. And it wasn't just because the baby wasn't sleeping. It was the baby sleeping. But the mommy, the mommy cannot sleep. The mommy cannot rest. The mommy's mind is whirling round and round. So when you go like a day, 2 days, three days, four day like without sleeping. That becomes.

That becomes very dangerous. So then after that, I just started losing touch with reality. I would tell my husband the baby, the baby's not growing, the baby looks strange. The baby, there was something wrong all the time with the baby when in fact there was nothing wrong with him. Then then I started having physical symptoms. OK, I.

Would I would feel and crawling on my arms, but there were no ants, but I could feel them and I'm like, there's ants. There are ants on my arms and my husband's like there's no ants. So I mean, he, he called the ambulance and because like there's so little information about what to do with these women. They would, you know, evaluate me in psychiatry at, you know, the, the hospital and they would like they would release me the next day because they're like there, there's really nothing wrong with her.

They weren't able to connect the dots that she just gave birth. She's probably going through major postpartum symptoms postpartum, you know, we just were not able to connect the dots. Finally this is I gave birth April 10th 2005 no sorry 2010 and they finally got it right in the month of July. Wow, so it took them a while to figure it out. So I was suffering a lot and then I remember 1 psychiatrist, she was really nasty.

She, I, she didn't like me for some reason. She just like decided, oh, we're going to punish her. We're gonna take away like we're gonna, we're gonna keep her at the hospital, but we're gonna lock her. We're gonna lock her, lock her. We're gonna take away her visits. We're gonna not allow her any phone calls. We're gonna take away her pants.

Like it was just awful. And then finally when I was released from there, my dad actually brought me back to the Royal Victoria and he says you guys have to do something for my daughter because there's something really wrong. So that's when though it was actually an emergency Doctor Who's like, she gave birth in April.

She's going through postpartum psychosis at that point. I guess I was just hallucinating, you know, the and the fire, There's fire. On, that's what I'm getting, yeah. And it took me like 6 months to really get out of it and to just like be back to normal. To feel, can I ask you as far as advocacy, even though all of this was happening to you, because throughout your whole life you've already like from what you've said, you've always spoken up other than when you were a child, OK, Otherwise you've always stepped up and spoken up.

But now you had this happening to you. Did were you in a state of mind capable of saying, I think this is what's happening to me? I kept saying that there was something wrong with my brain. So finally somebody did listen and I had an MRI and they found they had, they found that I had a lesion. But this lesion that wasn't related to the psychosis, it was related to I had a frontal lobe lesion. I must have had an accident as a child. I must have fallen off a bike or something. I'm trying to, you know, remembering and I would have epileptic episodes.

OK, wow. Might it might be related? It might have made me susceptible to the psychosis. It's never been confirmed. And then when I had a follow up MRI years later, the lesion was actually gone and I don't suffer from epilepsy anymore, which I found. Very fascinating. OK. Yeah, that. My brain was able to heal itself from a lesion. I think your brain and, and, and the love of your family and your close ones.

I think everything and, and ultimately the love of yourself because I I, from what I get anybody who takes care of their parents. We love ourselves. We feel guilty about loving ourselves at one point, but we love ourselves enough to say I'm getting better or I mean. Yeah, it took me a long time, but I knew that there was something wrong. But my biggest fear was that I was never going to come out of it.

To take care. Of my children. And my biggest fear as well was that Mike wasn't going to be able to take care of the kids, so he had to take his leave of absence from work. So he actually took the paternity leave and then he got fired. No. Yep. Oh fuck. OK. So, but that's OK 'cause it was better after what he found, you know it was for the best, but when?

I so you've had your share of you, you've had your share of. Oh, you, you don't know the half. Of it, it's a lot of the, it's a lot of the cards a shit solid. Basically, that's what I'm saying. You're shit solid, you know. 29 years of marriage has not been easy because when I. Was and you guys are still the happy seriously when I see you guys for the past two years, no matter what happens, you're always having fun together and.

We try, but it has not been easy. And no. I'm sure not. Not only because of health issues, you know, because of family issues, because of personal, you know, choices I've made during the marriage. I've made lots of mistakes. But when I was hospitalized, my biggest fear was that Mike would say, I can't do this anymore. So I was expecting like lawyers letters. I'm like, he's gonna divorce me.

How can you have a sick wife, you know? But he never, he never faded, you know. And how that's beautiful, Stefania, why you just said he never faded and he. So how did it make you feel to know that your your man was still on by your side? I was very, very grateful that he kept, he kept things together at home, you know, and he didn't have much help.

He had his mom a little bit, you know, then there's snowbirds. They they went to Florida as well during the summer, even though there was no snow. But at one point they wanted, they needed a break. He didn't get any help. My brother helped a lot. My older brother helped a little bit. At the time.

He would bring the older one to school while he brought the little one to daycare. And then finally, you know, slowly, Stefani came back home. And she at one point I was doing a day center. OK. So related to the hospital. So I would go every day to a day center to do therapy and that helped me.

The program itself didn't help me. I I need to be honest, it just helped me get back out there in society. And that makes sense. I was afraid to open the door. I would. I was afraid to talk to people. I thought that everybody thought that I looked strange, you know? Yeah. So let me get back out there. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. You got back out there and you faced it. Good, yeah. There's a lot of stroke survivors suffer from dysmorphia or from a wheelchair, from walking to a wheelchair now to and and some people just don't leave the house. They feel safe within the wall, within the confinement of their space. And I think that going out allows you to not only socialize but experience the world.

But it's not an easy thing when someone doesn't want to do it. You know, it was very. So I'd applaud you to know that that is what you needed to get back on the horse. Yeah. Very good fact. Now we are. We are reaching the end of our time together today because I know that we both have respective things to do on on this beautiful Saturday.

However, I would love for you to come back some at some point in 2027 and give us a feedback on how your life is going, your skin is going, and how you keep just fighting. What I'm hearing is that you are a true warrior. I'm a fighter and so are you. Thank you, thank you. But today is all about you. So do you, Do you have any final words to tell the community of Stoke survivors and the community of survivors, period? If I would have a not a piece of advice but just a few kind words, just, you know, keep going. I know some days are really hard and you don't want to keep going, but keep going for yourself, you know, do it for yourself because you are enough and you are worth it. You are enough.

That is yourself. I think that is a wonderful last thought, guys. Listen to Stephania. She knows what she's talking about. So I am going to close today's episode. I hope you enjoyed, you got some golden Nuggets, you got some enlightenment, some clarifications on maybe getting out there and, and, and, and doing what you got to do.

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Thank you so much Stefania for allowing yourself to be so open and vulnerable with us. Thank you for having me, I enjoyed it. Thank you guys, I love you. Bye guys, have a great day. Bye.

S11E18: IS POST-PARTUM DEPRESSION ANY DIFFERENT THAN DEPRESSION ( guest, Stefania Freda)

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