The Trend That Got Away 10/22: PHP Vulnerability, Jaime West, Video Gish Gallop

0:00 Hello the internet and welcome to this episode of the trend that got away that's cute that one courtesy of snarfula who said uh this one is from my 10 year old did your 10 year old listen to this show.

0:15 They gotta keep up with stuff. Imagine a 10-year-old listening to any podcast. Jack, also, could I say, I was talking like a lunatic because I thought we were looking for some kind of cold open.

0:25 No, we don't do cold opens on Trend.

0:27 I know.

0:27 Save it for the main app, bro.

0:30 Anyway... You all missed me desperately looking for a riff about laser sights.

0:36 I was just like trying to find a short show title.

0:40 Andrew, you're distracting me.

0:44 Talking about laser sights. What did ever happen to laser sights?

0:49 It's a great question.

0:51 What the fuck?

0:52 Like that seems like something that should just work. It's the laser shows where you're pointing the dang gun at.

0:58 But it also shows everyone else. I think the real life version, it's probably just some AI built into.

1:04 Your scope now. Right.

1:06 Why fire? Why fire the gun by a human?

1:09 They don't care if they get what they're aiming at. I think that might be more to the point. They're just like, I don't know, man. We just kind of... More of a spray and pray country at this point.

1:21 Why spend all that money on lasers when it doesn't matter where the gun is pointed?

1:26 It doesn't matter who we shoot. Just as long as we shoot and people are scared of us. My name is Jack O'Brien. That over there joining us today on Trending is Mr. Andrew T.

1:39 I think I was supposed to have a... I haven't, you know, you don't need a thing for this.

1:44 This is trends. This doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

1:48 Work.

1:48 I used to put into, I had times composed original lyrics to stuff. And then I, the, the existence of the discord really fucked me up.

1:58 I made you lazy. People just do this. Yeah. Oh yeah.

2:01 Yeah.

2:02 Oh, I started lazy. I started lazy, brother. All right.

2:09 So this is the episode where we tell the people what is trending. And I'm very excited to hear your take on whether the internet is over because there is a global cybersecurity panic happening.

2:23 Yes.

2:25 The whole experience has raised the philosophical question of whether the internet is functional enough for us to notice that it is completely broken like i was on a call earlier we were trying to look at this comedian's instagram and like a bunch of the clips just said like failure to load failure to load failure to load and i was like that happens all the time yeah yeah people were like no that's happening to me on all instagram clips today Right. Across across this great city of ours.

2:56 So but I yeah, I just when something's wrong, I assume, yeah, well, the Internet is bad now. Nobody's paying attention.

3:04 We've crossed the Rubicon where a massive like infrastructural systems failure on the Internet is indistinguishable from the main Internet.

3:13 Right. Just basic run of the mill bad Internet. Yeah.

3:19 Like how could you tell even if you wanted to, which you don't.

3:23 And it's same with like everybody being like, this is the big one. This like your cybersecurity is fucked. Like you don't, you don't have any, I'm like, I've, I have no concept of which of my, you know, websites, uh, online activity has been hacked.

3:40 Like that.

3:41 I just assume they all have at this point, I've been informed that everything has leaked and, every different institution that I've given, you know, private information to. I'm just assuming at this point that it's all broken, but people are like, no, but this one for real, for real, for real, we're fine. And I'm like, you know what?

4:02 I am not above underestimating the threat of a game-changing catastrophe. I am the one who said the day before yesterday, uh, COVID shut the world down. It'll be nice to have like a snow day for the world. So I'm, I'm a fucking idiot. So there, I'm sure there's all sorts of ways. This is going to be bad that I can't imagine, but, but I think that's sort of what you're saying though, is that, I mean, right. I guess the, the unintended consequences, but like the, the game, the game has been changed. Right.

4:35 I guess the question is how much more.

4:37 Can the game be changed? Sure.

4:39 Yeah.

4:39 Um, But, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

4:43 The largely unfunctional, unable to be, you know, something that's unable to be trusted, that's been the internet for so long. And I guess, right, but it's that plus your social security number. Right.

4:58 Which shout out to my friend, Chris, who, uh, you know, longtime best friend who just, every time we hung out together and he would get a little bit drunk, he would start saying my social security number out loud. It's just had it memorized since we were like 12 and loves to just say.

5:14 It out loud. So I've always pretty good. It is kind of a good bit. Um, Why did you guys.

5:22 Was this, I'm going to say, that age, it's because standardized tests? You were, like, filling out standardized test forms?

5:28 I think he one day asked me what my social security... And he has a photographic memory.

5:33 Yeah, yeah.

5:34 And he just learned it as a bit, and I was stupid enough at, like, age 12 to just be like, uh, duh.

5:42 Okay, here you go.

5:44 And he's like, I'm going to use this for the rest of our lives. Do you think photographic.

5:48 But, like... Now, presumably, the children are suffering from, like, the opposite of photographic memory. Like, even real bright kids are, like, I'm going to say, upper bound, three, four digits at the top of your ability to memorize something.

6:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know. I still remember my phone number.

6:12 I also think photographic memories are bullshit. He has a, he has a above average memory.

6:17 Yeah.

6:17 Yeah. Yeah.

6:17 Yeah. Uh, was able to say he had a photographic memory from a young age. Um, all right.

6:23 Uh, just more on my good friend, Chris and his, uh, his funny bit. Um, so the programming language PHP, uh, has been found to have a critical security flaw. Uh, I discovered the vulnerability, uh, And then they're like, and we're going.

6:43 To fix it. But somebody leaked the vulnerability before they could fix it. And now it's bad.

6:51 Well, there's also no, like, fixing it.

6:54 Sure.

6:54 Right? Yeah, it's not like an easy patch. It's like a glitch in the very fabric of the language that everything is written in, it seems.

7:04 Right.

7:05 So if anything's out there already, if anything's compiled, presumably it's just fucked. And, like, no one's looking at this stuff because... Wow.

7:14 Yeah.

7:15 It's basically, it's like this weird arms race.

7:17 AI is being used to find vulnerabilities in the internet that could be exploited by AI. So it's just an arms race that for the sake of having an arms race, like they're just like, well, everybody enjoyed that during the cold war.

7:31 Let's do that again. I guess the bandaid is just being ripped off.

7:35 Yeah. Like, it's not like, I mean, not to defend AI, but AI didn't create this.

7:42 Like this was in there. Sure. No, no, no. Yeah, exactly. And they're just like, we're able to hack at such a high level that we can find it. Or like such a high speed. Sure. Yeah.

7:54 A high speed, high guess. I don't know, but this is essentially what AI does. It puts everything in the hands of fewer and fewer people with access to like more and more expensive tools.

8:05 Right, right, right. Yeah.

8:07 Yeah.

8:07 It's just redistributing the power even more upward.

8:11 Right. I guess the arms race is less like the AI and finding stuff as much as like, how fast is your bot?

8:18 Yes, that's right.

8:20 Right, right, right.

8:21 And that's just straight money. There's actually no other way to do it better than just money. Yeah.

8:26 You just got to throw money into a furnace that just like burns and burns, uh, stuff.

8:32 Just general stuff.

8:34 They've just invented a massive expense out of thin air. Um, again, we've mentioned this frequently in the past few months, but were this any other product where it not labeled AI and just labeled like a software made by a software company that makes it so that nobody and no website is secure ever again. I like people just be like, well, that's, That's not, you're, you're sued, you know, you're like that.

9:05 They would be considered negligent.

9:07 Like there are rules for creating technology that is dangerous and like, you know, going to be bad for everyone. But because it's an entire industry and because that industry is like propping up a huge chunk of the U S economy.

9:22 We just have to pretend that it's inevitable.

9:25 Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's also like, This is the, like, a few cracked eggs. Sorry, I was going to say spilt milk. But this is a few cracked eggs in order to build the delicious cake of not having human employees.

9:39 Right.

9:39 Exactly.

9:40 Right.

9:42 We all can agree that. Oh, yeah, of course.

9:44 I mean, this is a small price to pay for no one ever having a job again. But, yeah. I.

9:51 Gotta imagine the margins, though.

9:53 Oh, man.

9:54 Oh, imagine the margins, Andrew.

9:57 God, yeah.

9:59 I mean.

9:59 it's also like, it's, it is just like, like processing speed and, and the ability, cause it's not like AI knows anything. It just tries everything. And so you just seem to have the money to run an AI so much that it tries the, you know, It locks into finding a security flaw in the basic programming language that runs most websites.

10:22 Yes. And we're there. That's fine. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

10:30 We'll see. People seem, the people on X on Twitter seem very.

10:37 Concerned about this.

10:39 Uh, I got to start calling it X now that I do my banking there, but, um.

10:43 Here's a, here's a question. I, I, I sounded this out yesterday, actually on my podcast. Um, which is, I think the funnier thing to do now is call it X, the everything app.

10:53 You just got to make sure you got to make sure to throw in the everything.

10:56 Yeah. think about it i don't know i didn't originate this idea people on x.

11:00 The everything app seem very concerned about this that does sound more authoritative than like worrying yeah.

11:06 And more like fuck you you dumbass like oh elon you thought you thought naming it x x the everything app was cool why don't you listen to us say it and like just process how dumb it fucking.

11:19 Sounds x the everything app is pretty yeah Oh, what are you doing?

11:23 I'm just sending out an X the everything app.

11:28 I've just got to make a deposit in my X the everything app account. Yeah. Yeah.

11:34 Yeah, I mean, this is bad, but I guess it's... God, the small part of me is like, look, this vulnerability did exist. It was going to be found one way or the other. There's a world where maybe the band-aid is just being ripped off. Because the underlying thing had already happened.

11:51 Like, fucking.

11:52 what, 35? I don't even know when PHP came out, but, like, closer to 30 years than not. So this has just been sitting there. So, you know, this is going to be bad no matter what. Like, today happens to be our day, but, like.

12:07 If it wasn't today, it was going to be tomorrow. Have you experienced any, like, outages that have impacted your life in any way? I have straight up not looked at the internet today.

12:17 No.

12:17 Good work.

12:20 I haven't seen any planes flying and falling out of the sky. That's my, that's yeah.

12:24 But look, I mean, that's the, that's the, like, if they found a fucking vulnerability in PHP, guess what? Fucking air traffic control. I'm pretty sure it still runs on like fucking Fortran or whatever from like the literal 70s.

12:36 So like most basic probably, probably there too.

12:43 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

12:43 Yeah. I don't know. All right. Uh, we have, we'll, we'll see, I guess we'll see. It is inevitable that we'll see.

12:52 Get used to buy some pens and a flat file.

12:55 That's your database assholes.

12:57 And then when we'll get mad, uh, about the fact that they've ruined everything and that the society doesn't.

13:03 Work, they'll be like, uh, it's the Islamists. That's true. Under the influence of, uh, Islamists. That's true.

13:12 Um, We have an update on the Jamie West, I believe is her name. The woman who, local Democratic candidate who went on a local media thing and went viral because she was clearly drunk. And so she went on Piers Morgan yesterday and admitted that that she, uh, at first he was like, Hey, had you had anything to drink?

13:46 She said, I had a Coors Light. I had a beer. And then he said, ah, ah, you had, so that, that would be as in a singular. And she said, what do you want me to say, man? I had three beers.

13:59 Okay.

14:02 Uh, explaining that she was nervous at the time because she was speaking in a room full of Republicans. Um, and, She also, like, didn't... She didn't seem explicitly drunk on the Piers Morgan appearance.

14:16 She didn't seem not drunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, I would say.

14:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:20 Yeah. Like, she could.

14:22 Maybe she just has a drunk-seeming personality. I will say, as somebody who used to drink too much and try to hide it from other people, I will say I have employed the old three-beers gambit many a time. Two beers, nobody's gonna believe... That's why you were slurring your words. Three beers is like the line, though, where people are like... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:46 Yeah, that's... I mean, you.

14:47 Drink those fast enough on an empty enough stomach. It could happen. Yeah, you could be a little bit drunk.

14:52 And it's not that bad. It could happen and it's not that bad. Yeah. That's what three beers is.

14:56 Four beers is... Like, four beers, you're moving over to like... What were you, tailgating? Yeah, you... You had four beers before your fucking TV appearance.

15:05 How many.

15:07 Sorry, this is a bad question. How many beers would I need to go in front of a room full of.

15:12 I fucking.

15:13 Maybe I just have a different type of personality.

15:15 Yeah.

15:15 I tend to be the type of person that needs to fucking raw dog that shit.

15:19 Yeah.

15:20 I don't think this is a good way of dealing with... Right, right, right. Discomfort, I will say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something that I've learned for myself. Right, right, right. While it.

15:30 works for a while, uh, for, for like, for some people, I would say it works for a while. Um, I would say she is not in the category of someone for whom it is working in the way that she thinks it's working. Like, I think she probably assumed that she was coming off less drunk than she was in the clip. Um, I will also say she, so she went on piers morgan uh there was like someone who's like a strategist for ted cruz who's like uh you know paired with her and just being the biggest fucking dipshit asshole like being like okay you know basically yeah doing the okay drunky symbol to to the side of her the whole time and uh at one point they were like do you commit to not drinking once you, if you, if you win the job. And she said,

16:25 I don't know. Why don't you ask Pete Hegseth, who is drinking whiskey as he's running an illegal war. And then she pantomimes taking shots and then said, why don't you ask him that? Which I'm just saying, like, I do think there's a corner for a politician who is a little bit drunk all the time.

16:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

16:46 This is how we beat the Nazis.

16:48 Yes, right?

16:49 I mean, yeah, Churchill was kind of drunk a lot of the time.

16:53 Asterisk. Probably not a good man, but I don't remember. Yeah, yeah.

16:58 Definitely not a good man, right?

16:59 Yeah.

17:00 Grant, Ulysses S. Grant was drunk during most of the Civil War.

17:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:04 Sometimes. I mean, everyone, to be fair. Everyone throughout history.

17:09 Everyone who's on money was wasted. when they were sitting for their portrait of.

17:16 Yeah the amount that was consumed during the continental congress is like you can actually look it up and it's like it's it yeah they're like a punch bowl bowl of rum like 20 quarts of whiskey like yeah just non-stop like They had, like, a water bubbler of mead, you know?

17:38 That's just how.

17:39 They were keeping their mouths moist enough to continue to talk.

17:45 That's just a gentlemanly gathering. Yeah.

17:48 So, why did she go on fucking Piers Morgan?

17:51 I don't know. You gotta take advantage of that shit, you know? Yeah. I think it was good. Like, because it did also....

18:00 So I don't know if she went on, like had a couple before she went on Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan was like, have you had something to drink before this?

18:07 She's like, no, I have not. If I see a Republican, must have one beer. Exactly.

18:15 That's just the drinking game that is her life. it does seem like, I think, I think it was a good move because you got to see a slightly less drunk.

18:25 Seeming version of her.

18:26 And then it.

18:27 Raises the question, is she just this all the time? Calibrate the question that we were asking about the internet a moment ago.

18:34 Is it just this all the time? Isn't it always a little fucked up?

18:38 Yeah. The bottom, the bottom is fuzzy on quality. Now it's just like, who knows? Like it seems bad, but.

18:44 It seemed bad before.

18:45 Yeah.

18:46 Um, All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We're going to talk about the Gish Gallop.

18:51 I always like to talk to Andrew T about the Gish Gallop.

18:54 We'll be right back. And we're back. All right.

19:07 So you, in the very early days of this show, introduced us to a concept called the Gish Gallop.

19:13 Yes. Can you explain what that is, where it comes from? Named after Dwayne Gish, the creationist.

19:20 I can't remember who coined the phrase Gish Gallop, but it's I think it was largely because this was also sort of from the days when like debate me. was a, believe it or not, like slightly more of like a thing. I think it was just partially because it was like born out of.

19:36 Like real, like formal debates. Yeah.

19:39 And so the idea behind the Gish Gallop is if you basically the underlying idea, which is, you know, not necessarily tied to this is the idea that like refuting a lie takes like 10 times more words than to say a lie.

19:53 Right. So the idea behind the Gish Gallop.

19:56 In especially in like a formal debate, like your timed situation.

19:59 Timed debate where you have a certain amount of. But life has become a time debate. Exactly. We only have so much attention. We only have so much bandwidth.

20:10 So if you just lie enough, um, you can also see it. Like I think the, the, the modern day, like purveyor of this is definitely Ben Shapiro where he, he talks so fast and says so many lies that you're still going like, wait a minute. That first thing you said, this is wrong for this, this, this reason.

20:26 He said five more things already.

20:28 Right.

20:28 And like, so you always look like you're losing. And in like formal debate terms, you are losing because you're not refuting enough like stuff. Yeah. So yeah, that's the Gish Gallop. Fuck these people.

20:41 Sorry, go ahead.

20:42 So, I mean, this is essentially the video equivalent, but this is something that I've, I've been noticing happening more in the run up to the midterms, uh, as they, they have more and more problems with reality, uh, be, you know, seeming to be stacked against them. Uh, Republicans seem to be posting videos claiming it says something that And then just trusting that no one will actually watch it because it says something completely different. Um, I noticed this with like Benny Johnson, uh, when that thing happened where the guy was like, and, uh, I think, I think you just perjured yourself, but, uh, just to be sure.

21:22 So you were at a Hawks game. Yeah.

21:25 And then it was like made very clear that he just like got it completely wrong.

21:30 Embarrassingly wrong.

21:31 But Benny Johnson had already posted the clip being like, uh, this guy just perjured himself. Yeah.

21:37 So he did.

21:38 He just did one where he said, yikes, Ilhan Omar was just asked if she married her brother on live TV.

21:46 Her answer, not to my knowledge. What?

21:49 She can't even say no? What other person would answer this question like that? Things are about to get bad for Ilhan. And then he links off to a video, not like a cut down of the video that makes it seem like what he just described. When you watch the actual video, she calls the claim that she married her brother an insane conspiracy theory. And when asked if she's related to him at all, she laughs and says, not to my knowledge. And it couldn't be a clearer refutation of.

22:21 Yeah.

22:22 Yeah.

22:23 I mean, I.

22:27 I guess the thing is, it's, like, this is, like, the perfect, like, polar... Like, Betty Johnson's, like, supporters, her fans, all these MAGA folks, like, don't care.

22:39 Like, she, you know... So, like, it is just sort of, like.

22:44 I mean, for better or worse, this, like, kind of does nothing. Like, if you were prepared in any way, if you were racist.

22:51 Enough to believe that Ilhan Omar, like.

22:54 is actually hedging about whether or not she married her brother, then there's no like helping you. There's no like fact that, so I guess what I mean is for what it's worth, it is sort of like, it's.

23:06 Like not for anyone besides the people who are already, this isn't a convincer.

23:11 Like, if you were open to even the premise of this, you are too racist to be convinced by reality. So it doesn't matter.

23:19 Yeah. I hope. That's what I envision. But, you know, I don't fucking know.

23:24 I don't know.

23:25 Like, it also, you know, came up with the Amy Acton ad where they, like, ran this ad with her mom. And then but like if you take the time, they're just like really loading up on like all their chips are on that. People will not give this more than five seconds of thought. Because if you do know the story.

23:47 So this is an attack ad from Vivek Ramaswamy about his opponent where he has her mom on talking about how she has a problem with the truth. And then when you know the backstory, it is that her mom sided with her husband at the time who had sexually assaulted her when she was young. And it's like this horrifying thing where the mom is like clearly a monster.

24:09 And the thing that like separate caused them caused the rift in the first place is just the most horrifying thing.

24:16 And like to be siding with the mom.

24:18 Is like a terrible, terrible, terrible look, but like they don't, That has all been pointed out. There are like some right wing influencers who have like apologized and been like, that's horrible. But he has chosen to like double down on that.

24:34 Yeah.

24:35 And yeah, I just, I feel like, you know, nobody has having the time to pay attention to anything. So you can just exist in a state of like hyper reality of whatever you want to believe is kind of, just our new, you know, it is kind of what you can see. Everything is about like, I mean, I know you haven't seen it yet, but like one of the things, one of the questions that stuck with me, you know what it's about. And like, one of the questions that stuck with me is like, they don't do as good a job building the case against her as they could. Like they, they kind of assume you're already familiar with that stuff. Um, that, but like, you know, people have been sharing a lot of clips on, uh, X, the everything app of her, of her, like going on

25:23 60 minutes and being like, we, we talked to Hopkins, like do it doing, uh, her voice that is like bonkers being like, we talked to Hopkins and what they told us is that, uh, You like we can in the In a drop of blood we can see cancer 17 years before it develops And then they immediately 60 minutes like we Talked to Hopkins and She totally like made that Not work with her at all and so there Are these like ways to just be like she's no, she's, she's lying intentionally knowingly.

26:00 Yeah.

26:01 But the movie is about the fact that she, you know, is about this like hyper reality.

26:08 You know?

26:10 And so instead I feel like it would take the wind out of the sails of that point too much to like build the case as strongly as they could. And so, yeah, they, they chose to make it about like, you know, the world living inside the reality distortion field of like con artists, which is what we're all.

26:34 Yeah. Republican and some Democrats, but just.

26:38 Reality now, like we're, we're all inside it, you know, whether like through via stuff like this, where they'll just insist on a reality that we all know isn't true, but like, the media gets swept along kind of because they can't spend all their time fact checking. And like, we make fun of the media for being like five Pinocchios on that one, you know, because it's stupid and it sucks.

27:05 But they, they are also like the, the, the way they're complicit is like, they still refuse to call people liars and like use past track record. Right. It's like, The reason it shouldn't be hard to fact-check Donald Trump or portray him is just like, so this man, having lied... Dozens of times. We no longer, you know, act as stenographers to the things he says going forward.

27:32 Yeah.

27:32 Like, that's what you would do in court. That's what you should do. Like, known liar Donald Trump claims this thing.

27:39 Yeah.

27:39 Is how every, you know, known liar Elon Musk claims this thing.

27:45 So that is our... That's existence now.

27:47 Yeah.

27:47 That is what we're all... Yeah. So, like, yeah, I mean.

27:51 He, he doesn't build the case against her as strongly as he could, because that is how, do you think how reality is?

27:59 I mean, there's a part of me.

28:00 So one of the reasons why I think I've been less excited about, you can see everything that a lot of folks is like, I think I'm a little more weary of the, like, you know, quote unquote, smart person, like get a load of this buffoon genre of stuff. I think most exemplified by the daily show, but, and it's, you know, whatever, good, great people work on it, whatever.

28:21 But the underlying message is like, get a load of this cloud.

28:24 All of Aaron Sorkin is that like, yeah, like, I'm just like, I personally, that's sort of not my taste because I find it so wildly ineffective.

28:33 And that is a little bit what you can see.

28:35 Everything feels like to me is like a, uh, more artful, get a load of this clown.

28:40 Yeah, it is.

28:41 And it isn't, I would say like the thing I'm talking about is specifically that they take her at her word in a lot of cases.

28:49 Yeah.

28:50 They are like, get a load of this clown who I may be in love with.

28:55 Sure.

28:55 It's kind of, I mean, there's like partially, maybe.

28:59 That's, that does feel like Nathan Fielder's thing is to just like affectlessly. Yes.

29:04 And until the person has driven themselves into.

29:07 Yeah. a weird place and maybe, I don't know.

29:12 I haven't seen it.

29:13 But yeah, to me, that's the thing that I would wonder is like, yeah, but the relentless lies, I don't know. I mean, the other thing is, it's like, yeah, that's the MAGA base is people who are like actually too dumb to understand five seconds of context.

29:29 Sure.

29:29 Or not too dumb, but like unwilling to. Yeah, exactly.

29:33 So like, I don't know.

29:35 I mean, to me, I'm just like, My hope is still that these people do not represent enough numbers to continue to rule us even under the like current basically apartheid that we live under yeah like but yeah i don't know.

29:50 Yeah it'll i think it'll depend on if That we're ever able to get an alternative that's not the mainstream Democratic Party, you know, running things via neoliberalism, which doesn't work. And, you know, we'll continue to get worse until we see an alternative.

30:08 Or not.

30:08 We might not see an alternative, Jack. We just might.

30:11 Yeah.

30:12 We might just.

30:12 Continue on this trajectory forever.

30:15 Forever.

30:17 And on that happy note, Andrew, thank you so much for joining. Where can people find you, follow you?

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30:33 Hey, man. You did the dream, you know? I'm like.

30:39 Could we do an extra icon episode every week? Just keep going. Think about it, dog. Consider it. It's a very fun podcast. Everybody should go check that out. And that's going to do it for us this afternoon. We're back tomorrow with a whole ass episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves.

31:00 Get your vaccines while you still can. Get your flu shots, especially on the West Coast.

31:05 Apparently the flu is... Out of control and not in a fun way. I got mine.

31:10 It was rough.

31:11 The shot was rough.

31:12 The flu is even rougher.

31:13 Yeah.

31:14 Don't do nothing about white supremacy. And we will talk to y'all tomorrow.

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