You Can See EveryTrend 10/19: Katie Zacharia, Amelia Earhart, ‘You Can See Everything’

0:02 Did you hear when I spilled my Reese's pieces? No, it was fucking humiliating. Yeah. It's everybody turned and looked. Yeah.

0:15 The people behind me are in front of me, looked behind someone like, a few seats to my left. Like, you know, like when you can catch someone like leaning to try and look down a row.

0:24 Yeah. It'd be like, what's going down a few seats in there.

0:28 Sounded like a fucking Morocco exploded.

0:35 Yeah.

0:35 I'm very self-conscious about like making noise at movie theaters.

0:39 And this is a quiet, we, yeah, this was a kind of a quiet movie.

0:42 So I was like going one, one kernel at a time, popping it in Tom Cruise style.

0:47 Oh, you thought even you thought you were going to go toast, toast, toast, break the decibel meter just with your popcorn.

0:54 Yeah.

0:56 Um, but yeah, I've just like, I've heard so many people complain about people making noise in, in movies. Um, like the action boys, that podcast, they're very sensitive about noise and movies. And so I'm always like, fuck, there's stuff like crinkly rap.

1:11 Gabrus is right in front of me. Meats your ass? Yeah. What'd I say? Oh, no. There is something.

1:19 I'm definitely aware of crinkly-sounding bags.

1:23 Yeah, yeah.

1:25 I always pick my shots. There has to be something loud happening, and I use that to just go fucking ape.

1:30 Just fuck. Yeah, yeah. That's when it goes... I got cover.

1:33 Or like a Transformers trailer that's all explosions.

1:37 I'm like, I'm going to have the bulk of my eating right now. Cover me, laughter. Cover me. When there's a laugh, you're just... shoveling stuff into your mouth.

1:45 Dude the laughs what was that one guy said when he completely cracked up the theater.

1:50 He just went what.

1:52 That's so good was it my i think it was the monuments to our love thing yeah no he yeah.

2:01 It was some billy moment billy.

2:04 Billy jesus christ man billy is billy man is my lover.

2:18 Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of You Can See Every Trend. It's the weekend. It's the week trend edition of the Daily Zeitgeist. But we actually got it together and went to a movie that everybody else. I just wanted to see. Opening weekend. Yep. Miles and I. We're doing better. We're doing better.

2:38 I think some things, we were all, it was going to happen regardless. We were all gravitating towards this movie very, very epically.

2:48 So, yeah. It's nice. Gravitational pull. Oh, yeah.

2:53 And we weren't alone, as we'll talk about. My name is Jack O'Brien. That over there is Mr. Miles Gray. Yes.

2:59 This is the episode where we tell you what is trending on this Monday morning, what was trending over the weekend. But first, we let you get to know us a little bit better by telling you some things we think are overrated and underrated. We're going to talk.

3:14 You can see everything with spoilers at the end of the episode.

3:17 At the end, yeah. We'll tell you when to eject, you know, rip the cord. Yeah, if you haven't seen it or you don't care about spoilers.

3:24 Yeah.

3:25 You know, or you, yeah, whatever. Uh, we'll do that. Stick around anyways.

3:30 Uh, but up top, uh, what, what is something miles that you think is under rated.

3:35 Uh, carrying cash? Just, uh, everything is frictionless. No one carries cash really. Yeah. I, so this, a lot of my overrated underrated has to do with, it's going to see this movie yesterday.

3:48 Um, I was.

3:50 So I got there around the time the show starts, and I go, hey, to the dude, I was like, how many minutes of trailers? He's like, there's 15 minutes of trailers. And I looked at the line, dude, it's fucking... It's coming out the fucking front door.

4:03 It was a long line. It moved quickly.

4:06 It moved very quickly. I gotta say, shout out to the people at the Chinese Theater. It was fucking... The line was moving.

4:12 However.

4:13 I was telling her, Maddie, the second it starts, you just text me because I'm going to bail on this shit.

4:17 I'm not going to miss the opening.

4:19 And about a minute before, a line opened up where they said, is anybody paying with cash?

4:25 Wow. And I was like, the fucking heavens opened. Last of the Mohicans. Fully. Fully.

4:31 Yes.

4:31 In the least problematic sense of that example. It opened up. I run up. I pay.

4:37 I just got to say my grandfather put this habit in me. He always told me to carry cash. You got to have some cash on some cash. I always have like, you know, like a fucking rack on you or something. He's like, always have like, you never know.

4:50 He's like, cause you will be of 10 racks in your, in your trunk at all among us doesn't have that just lying around in their trunk somewhere.

4:58 But he was always like, he's like, there will be a time.

5:00 Cause I think he thinks back of the dawn of like charge cards and credit cards. And he's like, There will be moments when that thing is useless and it is truly just a piece of plastic.

5:09 And the only thing that's going to fucking talk is cash. That's true. And I was like, damn, okay. Spoken like a true hustler.

5:16 So to this day, to this day, I'll keep like at least a 20 folded up, like in a weird slot in my wallet when I'm always like, fuck, fuck.

5:25 And I'm like, Oh, I do. I got emergency. You hide it from yourself. Yeah, exactly. I have to. And just remember like, thank you. Thank you. Deploy emergency 20. Yeah.

5:35 So in an era of everything, but it's just so funny that because so many people weren't carrying cash, like that cat, it was like mean, like four other people.

5:42 Yeah. And we were just like, Oh shit, look at us old school. So anyway, people judging you where people like, okay.

5:49 I could give a fuck less about what I thought.

5:53 You got the snacks you needed with $ 20? Because I was... I need to stop. I need to be safe from myself. We'll talk about my overrated later, but I definitely... I lost some money on that deal. Yeah. I need to stop. I went to two movies. So my underrated is documentaries. I had a two documentary weekend at the Cineplex.

6:21 Okay.

6:22 Friday night, I went and saw A History of Concrete, the John Wilson documentary.

6:26 How was that?

6:27 Yeah. It was so good. So fun.

6:29 And then last night, we all went and saw You Can See Everything. And we've been talking about this, like, just that this is.

6:38 Like, as there are more and more cameras everywhere, as the cameras that are everywhere get better and better, that pretty soon... I think I remember saying this, like, early days of this show, that, like, you'd be able to make a compelling, full-length documentary about any human being growing up in a house with, like, smartphones. Yeah, for sure.

7:02 And I think we're there. Like, I think the.

7:07 like the promise of like all cameras all the time, full access, like is upon us.

7:14 Yeah.

7:14 I mean, the probability of that spikes for anyone born after like 2001 too.

7:19 Yes. Yeah.

7:20 Yeah. Like it's, and, and the cameras are so easy to like, like you can just have small cameras that take cinema level footage and, you know, it's like the, the, You can see everything movie looks incredible, which I mean, I think they were shooting it on nice cameras, but.

7:41 Yeah, that's Lance Oppenheim's documentary style. Because if you've seen the other stuff, like Ren Faire, it's a documentary, but it's shot so cinematically. It gives it such an aesthetic edge when you have those really beautiful close-ups.

7:58 And with digital, you can just shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot.

8:02 There are some shots of eyeballs in this movie where I'm just like, damn. The light going through Elizabeth Holmes is his eyeballs and like everybody, every character gets like an eyeball shot where I'm like, I feel like I now understand better how eyeballs work from this movie.

8:21 Yeah.

8:21 Just looking at how light passes through the eyeballs of these people. Um, but yeah, there's like a, there's a recent documentary about Deshaun Jackson that, uh, the NFL wide receiver, uh, where his brother just was like, yeah, we've been taking footage of him since he was a kid because he was like an incredible athlete.

8:42 And so it's like, it's basically that movie boyhood, but for real, like you get to watch Deshaun Jackson just grow up. And, you know, in this case, the person is a generational athlete. Yeah, right.

8:57 I guess it makes sense too when they're an athlete because it's sort of, you need to get tape of like an athlete.

9:03 Yeah. You know, like, so, cause I was like everything, his brother was just like taking behind the scenes. Like, it's awesome.

9:09 I was more just like, cause Deshaun Jackson's like my, like maybe a couple of years younger than me.

9:13 But that makes sense.

9:14 You add that, uh, like, um, some sibling family member who's camera obsessed. There was always one of those people in the eighties and nineties who just had the camera. but that's great to see, you know, one of our, one of our own, you know, uh, one of my favorite players from my Eagles team, you know, from, from the birds.

9:32 Yeah. From the birds, you know, so.

9:36 Miles sent Blake and I this over the weekend of somebody who was talking about traveling outside of the Philadelphia area and being like, like, having major culture shock because everyone wasn't a complete asshole.

9:52 Yeah.

9:53 And he's like, I was an asshole, but, like, you know, getting the neighbors to chase me, stuff like that. And like, but it's like not doing really bad shit. And then it's just the culture.

10:03 Shock of being like, these people were like fucking.

10:05 Waving to me and they weren't like doing it to like start a fight. They weren't, they weren't waving me down to ask me what my problem to ask me head or gut. Um, but it really did that video shed so much light on my childhood, you know, like going, from, you know, I was growing up in Ohio and Kentucky and West Virginia, like New York for a year and a half, but like doing the reverse commute of that guy going from the place where people wait to each other and are like, Hey, good morning to like a stranger into the belly of the beast. Uh, and like, you know, see Isle city, uh, and, and, you know, get, getting, uh, uh asked the question head or gut and crying my way out of it like it really i was like

10:51 oh yeah this is i was experiencing culture shock i was i was not built for this philadelphia way of life at all.

11:00 Um anyway more testament how the algorithm has just determined i am a lonely man from delco.

11:08 What is something you think is overrated? I'll tell you what.

11:11 Fucking movie candy in a goddamn box. Fuck all that bullshit. It should always be in a fucking bag. I get that word. We're trying to like honor the bygone era of.

11:24 Let's all go to the lobby. That's why I like it. Yeah.

11:27 Yeah.

11:28 And I get the sharp edges and I get that.

11:30 And I also have very fond memories because like as a kid going to the movies like in the late 80s, And, like, you wouldn't finish your, you know, like, you wouldn't finish your movie stuff and you'd bring it home and you would, like, eat it for three months because you had, like, a half a box of Raisinets or some shit.

11:45 My kids are that way now.

11:47 Like, we have a thing of Sour Patch Kids just, like, rotting in the back of our pantry.

11:52 We call them dry-aged. Dry-aged.

11:54 Yeah. That's how Her Majesty eats gummy candies. She rips the bag open. And then lets him get a little bit harder. She's like, nah, nah, these shits are, these fucking twin, Haribo twin snakes, too fucking chewy.

12:07 Wow.

12:08 I need some fucking, like, She wants to be like a bully stick or some shit.

12:11 I don't know. I'm just ripping at it. I'm like, is she going to break my little teeth? Making her majesty sound like a dog. No, she's got it, bro. She's got a method. She's got that dog in her when it comes to the gummies. Dry-aged gummies.

12:21 Dry-aged gummies is the only way to do it. But so you maybe probably heard in the cold open. So I had a box. Got to get my Reese's Pieces, okay? Because it's like the movie candy for me.

12:31 Shout out E.T. Because E.T. works. And the box is too rigid. Okay.

12:35 And I had like, I brought a hoodie into the theater. Cause you never know. It could get chilly, but it was hot outside. And I was like, I doubt I'm going to be cold in here. So I had like this box resting on my hoodie. And then like what the angle just kind of went wrong. And the center of gravity of the box is kind of tilted. And it slowly, one started to spill out. I heard like two hit the fucking frame of the seat. And I sort of looked down. The story, by the way, is happening in bullet time.

13:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear one. I hear two. And I looked and slightly looked down. Full fucking inversion.

13:09 Oh!

13:14 You didn't even fix it after the first.

13:18 Dude, I was struggling and then I was exacerbating the fall by trying to like.

13:23 That's why I asked you. I was like, did you hear it? Because it was so fucking... I was so humiliated. It was a quiet moment. Dude, Her Majesty's like, where are the fucking Reese's Pieces? They fucking spilled everywhere. She's like, all of them. I don't know if I can get a fucking box. Stupid fucking box should be a fucking box.

13:41 How did you not know that? Everybody's talking about it in this theater. Just starting one of those, like, you know, odds comedies, whisper arguments in a guy's fucking box. Yeah, man. Um, so I'm all about the bag.

13:53 The bag allows the candy to rest at odd angles due to the bag's flexibility.

13:57 You can like zip it back up in some cases. Um, Yeah, or put it in your pocket. Like, you could just fold it over.

14:03 Roll that shit. Throw it in your pocket. The box is too fucking rigid. God damn it. I fucking... We haven't improved. We've improved on the box.

14:13 Yeah. Or maybe I see, like, a neck rope or something to, like, clip it. Like, those dental things they use for the bib. Just clip that to the edges of the box. So, like, I can't... There's no way I spill it.

14:25 Candy box holders? Yeah. Um.

14:27 Yeah, there's no real good way to close those back up.

14:31 And so, yeah. So it's not my fault. It's not. It's not, Miles. Not to go full Will hunting on you. It is not your fault. Thanks. Uh, all right. Mine is making it. Okay.

14:47 So this is from the, uh, history of concrete movie, John Wilson, highly recommend everybody go, everybody go check it out.

14:54 Um, or it's just about concrete kind, you know, I mean, it's John Wilson. Yeah.

14:59 One of the things I realized is like, when you go back and watch how to with John Wilson, his show, like the one, I'm like, oh, I want to see the one where the guy is, like, all about penis lengthening or whatever.

15:12 Yeah, or the foreskin rejuvenation thing. Yeah, and that happens in an episode that, like, has nothing, like, is not called that. So, like, his shit just, like, is very stream of consciousness. And so it has some really good moments of, like, interesting facts about concrete and Um, but it's got so much other shit. Uh, it's got a DMX holiday album is like DMX is a runner throughout the story for some reason.

15:39 Um, but one of the things that stuck with me is sand that, that we make everything out of sand and sand as a, as a building implement is, uh, overrated because like, so apparently sand is the most plentiful substance in the world.

15:59 Uh, besides water. It's like water and then sand. And then there's sand in the water too. I know. Well, that's the kind you like. That's the kind you want, man.

16:08 Oh, is that, that's the good sand? That's the good sand. So speaking of, uh, you know, shapes being problematic. So, Desert sand, which we have so, so much of is useless because it's been completely, each grain.

16:22 Of sand has been rounded. This is not from the movie.

16:25 This is one of those movies where I like came home from it and spent like 10 minutes just diving on like each different subject. But yeah, so sand is desert sand. Each grain is perfectly round because it's just been tumbled over and over again by the wind in the, in the desert. So it like doesn't, you can't really use it as a building block for anything. So it's really the like sand in water is more jagged and like has edges that you can then use.

16:53 Yeah. Yeah.

16:55 But yeah, I mean, I, I guess I didn't realize how much, everything is made of sand. And also the fact that like, they're just having to dredge up like riverbeds and, uh, fucking the, the floor of the ocean.

17:07 And it's bad.

17:09 I didn't really dig deep into like why it's bad beyond like erosion.

17:13 But I think, I think it's just, it's bad. And we need to find something else to make.

17:17 It sounds like some harebrained scheme to combat like sea level rise.

17:21 It's like, well, if we dig the ocean deeper and then it's displaced. Yeah. It sounds like some stupid fucking idea.

17:29 Of like, no, that's why it'll be good is you dig it deeper.

17:33 And then it, the, the, it goes down. I think maybe not.

17:36 Um, yeah, but I went and found this NPR interview with this guy who wrote a book called, uh, the.

17:41 World in a grain, Vince Beeser.

17:45 Um, and he was talking about how they, uh, we use 50 billion tons of sand every year, which is enough sand to cover the entire state of California.

17:54 Uh, Um, we're doing a California's worth of sand every year is worth of sand. Just covering that shit up. Um, but yeah, the documentary, like there's so much good shit. I went in being like, how is this going to be interesting? Sure. It's, it's a blast. Uh, highly recommend.

18:12 Uh, but yeah, yet again, another, another documentary guys. Um, I also want to say, uh, overrated is satire written by sent to millionaires.

18:22 Uh, I don't know if you saw Larry David's work of satire thing. Yeah.

18:27 Where he's like, I've joined the DSA and we've decided we don't need cops anymore. And no jokes that hurt anyone's feel. It's just like, he.

18:36 Was also like, because we're trying to be so accommodating to the burgeoning Muslim population, every woman will wear a hijab. And you're like, what the fuck? I mean, again, It's like gut-filled level shit. Just show your ass, dude. Just get the fuck out of here. It's gut-filled level. Yeah, and then, like, his weird, very cynical two-state solution, like, you know, because there's, like, a list of, like, I don't know how many fucking new.

19:02 Rules under DSA. New rules. Yeah. It's very Bill Maher-esque.

19:07 Like, he was, you know, getting a lot of credit for shitting all over Bill Maher recently, and this feels like it was written by Bill Maher.

19:17 But, you know, he's just... He's somebody who's, like.

19:20 Worth I think half a million dollars and Bill spends all his days, uh, Larry David and like spends all his days golfing and hanging out with other extremely rich people. And, uh, I don't, I don't think, uh, his, his satire is going to be razor sharp.

19:37 Uh, no, he's not.

19:38 And I think also like when, when he times there's like something approaching like something political, he's like not, he's not, he doesn't have a high batting average for connecting with the right take. no no especially like in you know the the post-covid world we live in but yeah the fucking the other thing too was like such a bad faith reading again from a fucking just elite millionaire of like what of his version of talking about socialism or anything that isn't capitalism, which is like, and the first one was like, just leave your door open. So everybody has the right to your house. That's the only option.

20:15 Either you have police solve everything by running into a situation with guns drawn or no, no problem solving whatsoever. And everybody just gets to commit crime. Those are the only two options. Any criticism of the current state of things is you're demanding that we remove everything that's good about civilization.

20:37 Sure. And I think it really reveals where he's at.

20:40 If he can be so flippant about shit like that, when people are like, we need something different in order to survive this world we're living in. And he's like, okay, you want something different?

20:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just fucking, just get fucked.

20:55 Go retire, man. Just play golf. Just lay the fuck down forever. Alright, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll catch up with some news.

21:15 And we're back. We're back.

21:17 Me and Zachariah go back like babies in forest fires.

21:24 Damn. Katie. She did it, man. Yeah. She did it. She really... I mean, in a time, in this moment, where we are.

21:37 all living in Lacey Mosley's world of scam goddesses, of scam, you know, scammers. The world is run by scammers. And, you know, this woman got herself to be the White House press secretary with.

21:52 Did the work too.

21:53 Remember she said she was studying when he was studying, when he was posting and when he was, when she knew he was watching Fox.

22:00 This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.

22:03 She could have done that and also, you know, taken classes to be, like, you know, ready for the moment.

22:10 To pass the bar exam. Yeah, she could have passed the bar exam. She could have put in the work. But she is a scammer to her core. She knew, like, this is when he's watching. This is when I need to get on TV. Did not bother to think through it. No. What will happen if he actually gives me the thing that I want? Can I get the old man horny for me? Yes. If so, straight to press sec.

22:35 This does feel like this is, uh, one of those stories that happened a few days ago and feels like it happened 30 years ago, but we haven't recorded since.

22:43 Yeah.

22:44 Zachariah has, uh, officially been, uh, relieved of her duties as the white house press secretary.

22:50 Yeah.

22:51 Uh, yeah. I read it. Yeah.

22:52 And pointed out it, it, She had one press conference that was shorter than an Adult Swim cartoon.

22:59 It was 14 minutes. It was 14 minutes.

23:04 And she got grilled by Hannity. Maybe you guys talked about that on the Friday episode.

23:09 No, no. Hannity came for her neck.

23:12 Because I think we found out right at the end of the day about her, so we didn't get to touch on this story at all.

23:19 They don't like women. When are you guys going to understand?

23:23 They will not, they will allow this with men, but sooner or later, they're going to run out of, uh, you know, they feel like they're doing you a favor by just letting you in the room and they're not going to, they're not going.

23:36 To allow it, Katie. Yeah. But yeah, Henny grilled her ass.

23:42 I saw you were on with Jack Posobiec, I guess, earlier tonight, and you called it a conspiracy theory as it relates to the issue of being a lawyer. Now, you did go to Pepperdine.

23:53 First of all, as he's asking this question where she knows it's about to get real for her, that question is going to be asked. She just had to do, like, the default, like, fake smile face to get through it, like, uh-huh.

24:04 Yeah? Yeah? Uh-huh. Okay, so let's find out. Go ahead, Sean.

24:08 Sean is a good school, no doubt about it. You took the bar exam, but you didn't pass the bar exam, correct?

24:16 Yes, Sean.

24:19 Oh.

24:20 That yes was, oh, man. That was, oh, no, Katie, Katie, Katie.

24:26 And I don't want to revel in this, but holy shit.

24:30 I'm having trouble controlling the volume of my voice. So you didn't pass no bar exam, right? Yeah.

24:38 But you didn't pass the bar exam, correct?

24:40 Yes, Sean. Okay, did.

24:43 You ever take it a second time?

24:45 Okay. Sorry, sorry. Because we stopped it last time. This is all, that big pause, we did not pause that. That's right. Yeah, no, no, that was for real.

24:55 And we had all intent to move out to China. I had already pre-registered for the bar exam. Basically during the summer, I knew I would be living in China and the results of the bar were inconsequential. And I sat for it because I didn't want to have a withdrawal status. And then I moved over to China and where I did get a job in an international practice of a Chinese law firm.

25:19 Okay. Yeah, we get it. Your boyfriend lives in another state, so we can't meet him.

25:24 Um yeah so so i didn't pass it because i was like it doesn't matter because i'm about to go to china and then in china i got to work at a law firm and so that's what i mean it's it's it's unfortunate uh for her that her poorly thought out lie um was so easily taken apart by sean hannity but There she goes.

25:47 Five, what, you went Monday to Friday, basically? Monday to Friday. It's a nice little vacation.

25:51 Nice little vacation from life as a normie.

25:55 Yeah.

25:56 Trump said, or the White House said, she's transitioning out of the job. That she had for less than a week and that Trump simply asked her to reconsider staying in the job she just got. So the thing that he's most famous for is like firing people in a dickish manner. Now he just asked them to maybe possibly reconsider being employed. I do like that there is detail about how she found out. she was actually doing a wall street journal interview about like her new job and what she was like, you know, they were talking about like, she only has a orchid and a curling iron at her desk and her shoes are like tucked under. They're doing this sort of like housewarming interview.

26:37 And like someone comes into the room and is like, Hey, JD wants a word. Oh, she, and she never came back. Wow.

26:47 Then Jason Miller, senior advisor, the president knocked on her door quote, J.D. wanted to chat with us real quick, Miller said, referring to the vice president.

26:55 Oh, that's... Okay, I'll be right back.

26:57 She wasn't.

26:58 Oh, no.

26:59 That's fucking.

27:00 Also, this description of the way Trump was talking to her about it said, earlier Friday, Trump told reporters he told Zachariah to, quote, reconsider staying in the job. Quote, I don't think Katie should be made to suffer like she's suffering at the hands of the press, Trump said as he departed the White House.

27:15 I said to her, honestly, if I were you, I'd reconsider. You think about it. So it's her decision, right? But the president doesn't want you on the job. The president goes, if I were you, I'd leave. Yeah.

27:27 So I don't know, but that's if I were you. And by that, I mean, you should get the fuck out of here. I never want to see you again. Damn, I thought it would be at least like one epic fuck up thing, but all it took was that one. I think it's the lying about the fucking lawyer thing just became untenable ultimately.

27:45 But it is really, it is wild that the lack of vetting, like the Hannity interview really drives home how bad she is under questioning, you know, like that she just can't handle any pushback. Like, obviously that was going to be the line of questioning and she didn't really even have a handle on like, her very straightforward response, the lack of vetting that is happening for these positions is truly stunning. Like, and it also like Trump seems incapable of firing men. Um, we've always talked about like how he's scared of firing people, even though like that he made that his brand. And so like that, like just thinking about like what, you know, what Pete Hegseth's path was to being in charge of the entire U

28:29 S military is pretty, uh, uh unnerving right he he doesn't seem too much more competent than that but he's getting to just like let it rip for a fucking whole presidential term which yeah.

28:40 I mean i think at the end of the day he's it competence isn't important as much as just having a bunch of yeah you know cronies or just, you know, automatons that just say yes.

28:50 Yeah.

28:51 And unfortunately when you do that, you're going to get people who don't know anything about anything.

28:55 Don't know shit.

28:57 Can't even, can't even withstand the lightest interrogation, um, over their past. So yeah, I don't know who they're going to get next. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some like AI angle eventually.

29:08 Where they're just like, this is who our press secretary is going to be.

29:12 Yeah.

29:12 You can request it to the AI. Like obviously this is like, it knows everything. I have no idea who, Because, I mean, now it's such a, like, you got to be like.

29:20 I'm following this shit. Who? I mean, they'll just pick a little bit better.

29:25 You'll find someone who does enough, like, sort of their outlook is Machiavellian enough that they will thrive in that position.

29:33 Unfortunately, Zachariah was LARPing. LARPing. She won the real deal. All right. We do have an update on Amelia Earhart's play. Yeah. You might be able to tell from the tone of my voice. It's not the one. Ladies and gentlemen. They were hoping for it. We... Yeah, no. We fucked up. It turns out, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, we just lit hundreds...

29:53 Of dollars.

29:54 Sorry.

29:54 Probably thousands. I could have swore it looked like a fucking plane.

29:58 I know the other guy said it's probably just like a mass of trees or some shit.

30:03 The guy who had been there. Yeah. And was like, yeah, we've been there. We looked there.

30:09 If I had to guess, that's a mass of trees. The researchers that thought they found her plane went all the way across the world on a boat, on a ship and found it to be A clump of trees.

30:24 A bunch of trees.

30:27 They said this isn't dissuading them because they found like a 30-inch metal tube that they're hoping they're going to take that back for analysis to see.

30:36 It's like, was that just resting up at the top there? That's what I'm saying. Like, the. I don't know why it would be found now. Like they, of, of all the, like they, they've been looking for this since the day after she disappeared. And like, they think that it's going to magically just a, Up here? Like, it's probably gone.

30:59 What is it? Like, I get that, like, finding Noah's Ark means Bible real. I know that being swallowed by a whale means Bible real. Like, you know, there's all these things where it's like, well, I know why going to the edge of Antarctica to try and prove Earth flat, but I'm not sure what This maybe aside from just it being like a grail for people who are looking for something like a grail.

31:24 I think there's like a lot of conspiracy theories out there of like what happened to her. There were some racist conspiracy theories that she was captured by the Japanese and made a prisoner of war. Um, this was like in the lead up to world war two. Uh, but I, yeah, I don't, I don't know either other than it being like a thing that they can get funding for.

31:49 Yeah.

31:50 When I know like the researchers were coming out of like one of the universities she went to, like, so it was kind of like a, I wonder if there is just funding in that to be like, well, we're also kind of like, also always got our eye on maybe finding that, that old Electra E10 plane.

32:05 Purdue, which, uh, yeah, she was a teacher there.

32:08 Um, as we talked about in the, in the episode and, uh, what, one of the things that she was working on as a teacher was disproving, like that there were theories that like women couldn't fly planes because, uh, of like, that they might get their period.

32:25 Or their uterus falling out. Yeah, that their uterus would, like, fall through the bottom of the plane. What was that one? What was the uterus falling out? Wandering uterus. I forget. Was that sports or something?

32:34 Yeah.

32:35 Anyway. Yeah.

32:37 Yeah, that they, I think that was, like, a woman running the Boston Marathon. They used to not let women run the Boston Marathon.

32:46 Because they were like, her uterus is going to fall out there in front of everyone.

32:50 Yeah, I think the first woman to run the Boston Marathon had to, like, pretend was disguised right man yeah um and then weren't there.

32:57 Like guys trying to fucking like stop her.

32:58 And shit yeah not on my watch yeah what a fucking.

33:03 What a world we got yeah and now those people are in charge speak of which donald trump uh it's it's kind of it's a weird thing because the russiagate kind of put us off the idea that like Trump is taking orders from Putin and, um, you know, that there's this vast conspiracy because it was, I think a bit of a distraction and led people, you know, down a path of like, actually everything's fine. And it was just like Russia that was cheating. And that's why Trump was the president and America is going to be fine.

33:35 America is the same America. It's always been, there's nothing wrong with it. Um, and so, um, it's kind of a weird situation where it's like hard to be like, but what is.

33:46 Going on with him and Russia? Uh, right. Seems weird. Um, we, we got some more seems weird over the weekend. Yeah.

33:54 I mean, uh, you know, the, there was a, there was a sanctions package, which was named after posthumously, um, after.

34:02 Lindsey Graham, who was real Hawk. Real hawk, man.

34:05 You thought he was in Atlanta that night watching them play the Golden State Warriors. But yeah, he, again, famously one of the most rabid anti-Russia senators and was fully in that Cold War mindset.

34:21 God, whatever. We can never talk to them. What the fuck's going on?

34:24 Well, Trump metaphorically exhumed his corpse and kicked it in the head a bunch because just mere hours before that sanctions package was going to go into effect, Trump just announced an executive order basically saying, yeah, actually, no sanctions, actually.

34:39 We're just going to let that go. This is from The Washington Post.

34:42 The sanction, the executive order signed by Trump Friday night waived the Russia sanctions in a bill named for the late senator. And basically, the sanctions were scheduled to kick in Sunday under the legislation, which was designed to squeeze Russia's economy and deprive it of cash to fund its war against Ukraine. The legislation also targets the world's top five buyers of Russian oil and gas and extends sanctions against Iran. Trump was like, no, don't worry about that.

35:07 This came right after Trump announced a deal where he's like, I talked to Putin and we're getting Russian diesel for everybody. So I know you guys said the prices were too high. I called my boy who I always do when I'm in domestic trouble to bail me out in some way. we, we certainly don't know what the exchange was for this.

35:27 Probably the sanctions package, the sanctions relief for, you.

35:30 Know, whatever.

35:31 Um, but yeah, this was just basically, you know, a moment for him to try and bring down the prices of diesel, just long enough for people to forget that he's president and there's midterm elections happening in two weeks. Um, a lot of people say, not sure, like the effect of this isn't going to be like a precipitous drop in, diesel prices because our consumption far outweighs like what Russia is even bringing over it.

35:55 Um, companies aren't going to charge less just because it costs them less. They're going to, uh, continue to have record profits. Um, that's why we need price controls.

36:05 Oh, okay. Sure.

36:07 Uh, Yeah, I keep waiting for him to accidentally land on socialism, but I think he's surrounded by too many wealthy people to ever do that.

36:16 Somehow that's when they hit him with the 26th Amendment.

36:20 Whatever amendment that is. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We're going to come back. We're going to talk about You Can See Everything. We'll kick it off just talking about the success of the movie, but then we'll get into spoilers.

36:31 We will let you know. We'll be right back. And we're back. We're back. And so the number one movie.

36:49 At the box office this weekend was Street Fighter, which was to be expected.

36:54 Did you almost walk into the main theater at the Grauman's Chinese Theater?

36:58 I walked up to the main, yeah, the main one with all the handprints outside of it.

37:02 And everything was Street Fighter out front. Now this has to be for the Nathan Fielder documentary.

37:07 And they're like, no, up the stairs. Nice try, guys. We know what's going on.

37:11 But so you can see everything made $ 15 million domestically on 855 screens. I remember seeing articles in the lead up to this weekend being like Nathan Fielder would have a shot at having like the biggest documentary opening of the year if it weren't for Melania. But Melania like had all had this massive budget, you know, of like they spent, I forget how much, like $ 70 million on that movie. And like the marketing was everywhere. And it opened to a record-breaking $ 7 million. And people were like, well, a three-hour documentary about Elizabeth Holmes is not going to touch that.

37:52 It made $ 15.

37:53 Million domestically on only 855 screens, which is the biggest opening weekend for a documentary in North America since Fahrenheit 9-11 came out. It's the biggest opening for a film playing on fewer than a thousand screens since Borat opened in 2006.

38:10 Wow.

38:11 I wonder how his latest one is going to do.

38:14 That fucking Ali G shit. I feel like that's such.

38:18 An old, tired thing and everyone is so fucking off Sacha Baron Cohen at this point.

38:23 I can't imagine it's going to do well. I mean, he's had movies do badly even when he was at his peak. So I don't think this is going to do great.

38:31 But.

38:32 there were over 2000 sold out screenings. That was like, I tried to go to a couple of screenings and like, there were only like seats at the front.

38:41 So, Oh yeah.

38:42 Yeah.

38:42 Yeah. Every time I go to a late one on Sunday.

38:45 Any movie tick, like a Fandango or like the AMC app, everything always like, almost sold out almost sold out almost sold out and it was true like do you want to sit in the back corner or do you want to take like a handicap accessible seat and completely fuck with your karma so yeah I'm glad I'm glad we were able to sit mostly We had good seats for the show last night.

39:08 It was a big theater.

39:09 It wasn't the big, big one. I guess they need that for Street Fighter or some shit.

39:14 Got it.

39:14 You got to pack them in for Street Fighter.

39:17 All right. This is probably where we should let you off.

39:21 If you haven't seen it or don't want it spoiled for you, this is where we're going to start talking about it.

39:26 Yeah. And to that, we bid you adieu. to those who are about to see it.

39:31 I got to say this before we spoil anything, you got to go for, if you are remotely interested, you must see it. That's my feelings without spoiling anything. If you, if that trailer was remotely interesting to you in any way, even if it was like, if you weren't fully into Nathan Fielder, but there's something interesting about Elizabeth Holmes.

39:50 Do yourself a favor and see this. Cause it's, yeah, there's a lot going on here. It's a, all right. Spoilers. Time to fucking spoil this shit. Spoiler alert.

39:59 I hope you are fucking out of the building because now we're going to fucking talk about detail.

40:03 Uh, yeah, I came away like this is still early for me, less than 24 hours after seeing it. Um, and I feel like this is one that's going, that needs to like settle a little bit.

40:17 I felt like you, me, Justin, and Her Majesty, we came out of there and we were all kind of like, I feel like I was in a car crash.

40:24 Psychologically. It really does fuck you up. Yeah.

40:27 It's, first of all, amazing that they based the documentary on that Patrick Stewart sketch where people's clothes fall off.

40:35 And he's like, but... I saw everything.

40:37 And they do a deep follow-through on the premise with a moment of full frontal nudity, which I.

40:42 Was like, why did they do that?

40:44 Dude, Nathan loves just gratuitous dick stuff.

40:48 Yeah. Like, what was the other one? The Emma Stone one? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Curse? The Curse, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one had gratuitous... It's just like, he just loves to hold on a dick. And then also in him, just on the monitor, observing. Yeah. Contemplative. It's, uh, it's a lot of, I mean, it's, it's great.

41:10 Nathan Fielder, if you like Nathan Fielder, but it's an amazing, like unforgettable portrait of two people who are kind of the perfect people for this.

41:22 Time in America.

41:23 Uh, Elizabeth Holmes being sort of a scam artist who you can't pin down in any way, no matter how much.

41:31 You try to like get your head around it.

41:34 Like she has, we talked in the Steve Jobs podcast, episode about this thing that people who worked for him called the reality distortion field, where like you spend an hour with him in a room and you come away like believing something that is impossible. And then over the course of 24 hours, it like kind of clear your brain clears and you're like, Oh, that's what people who worked with them, they called it the reality distortion field.

42:00 And she has that.

42:03 She has this ability to just like not, I think almost also like convince herself, which I remember the Steve Jobs thing. Like she won't believe a truth that is inconvenient for her.

42:17 She like won't let it in. Yeah. In a way that's so weird. I think the biggest thing for me, right.

42:25 Is like, I've, you know, I've seen the dropout and like, you know, know all like the very topical shit about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos, but this completely like subverts any sort of not expect.

42:37 Yeah.

42:37 In a way, any expectation you might have of what, what you think she is or who she is. And I can't, it's weird because I came away really unsettled about like, what if I know exactly what Elizabeth Holmes is truly about? Like, if anything, I have so many more questions that I'm asking about like, our perception, her ability to manipulate who's manipulating who in any of these scenarios. Um, and I think that was like the thing that really fucked me up is like, I kind of came away and be like, dude, I don't fucking know anything.

43:09 About this person. Really? Like I'm fucking, I'm fucking spun trying to figure this shit out. They're amazing.

43:15 There's, uh, the, the wifi debate when they're like the wifi in this house keeps fucking up.

43:21 It's every time you guys are in here, every time you guys are in here, there's something going on.

43:24 Yeah. It probably is.

43:27 Like seven different cameras like working. And he's like, I don't know. I think we're on a different frequency.

43:33 When Nathan talked to the sound guy, he's like, we're on a different frequency, right? The sound guy looked at it and was like, as if that fucking has anything to do with it. He was like, yeah, we're on a different frequency than wifi. I guess there is something, but it is just funny like to see the, how his frustrations just immediately spilled over and he had to just project them onto like the crew being there.

43:54 Yeah.

43:55 And all these other fucking people in their lives too. Like her dad was, I really wanted to see more of her dad and her mom too.

44:02 Like we didn't really hear anything from her mom.

44:04 No, she just looked concerned the whole time. Um, and like, yeah, it's, uh, so the other kind of unforgettable character is her husband, Billy, um, who is there through the, throughout the whole thing. The other unforgettable, uh, character is Amanda Seyfried who played her in the dropout and is a major part that that's kind of the big spoiler. She's a major part of the second half of the movie. Billy's there throughout. And at first you're like, he's this like weird dupe rich kid who is, you know, just getting taken advantage of by her. He's always listening to like science lectures and like science text at like 2.5 X speed.

44:50 Right.

44:51 Like definitely not getting it at all. Clearly like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. I got it. I wonder, like, did you take that?

44:57 Cause there were a lot of moments where he's clearly listening to like biology lectures, like molecular biology stuff. Was that performative for the cameras or was it, I also was like, is he boning up on buzzword bullshit to be able to talk to people also? Like as if he has a shred of an idea of what's going on.

45:16 I think I was trying to figure that part out.

45:18 For the cameras, but also for himself. Like, I think... Oh, it's like his own myth-making. Yeah, I think they buy their own bullshit, right?

45:27 Like, I think that's an important part of being one of these scammers that, like, I hadn't really given full credit for before this movie is that, like, you have to be convinced that you're doing it.

45:37 So, like, even though.

45:39 nothing is entering his brain it seems like and like the the science behind all of that.

45:46 Because the like the movie at the start of the.

45:48 Movie they're like yeah we're gonna do theranos point 2.0 yeah we're the thing that she's going to jail for we're we're actually doing it and Um, everybody who understands the science of what they're doing is like, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

46:03 They're like, they're vibing it out completely.

46:07 And like finding the thing that I, I really thought more about Billy Evans is he also strikes me as one of.

46:13 These Nepo people, Nepo kids, clearly, right.

46:15 His, his parents are like hoteliers who own like, you know, golf court, like Torrey Pines, like the lodge of Torrey Pines, like famous sort of hotels and things like that, that they, there's like this sort of nepo baby desperation to sort of create your identity.

46:31 That isn't merely.

46:33 My parents give me all this money because a lot of times it's really nebulous, like what he does or what his area of expertise is. And there was, uh, like in, I think there was the, like a couple, like one of the New York times, I was reading a New York times article and they were like talking about Billy Evans and asking him, like trying to figure out what he does and, And, you know, like a lot of stuff he says is like investing, starting companies, but like nothing else. And that does feel the thing you see online a lot where people are trying to create this like sort of image of what they do.

47:06 And it's like, oh, actually I'm a founder or whatever. It's like, you're not really doing shit.

47:09 That's a buzzword thing to give yourself an idea, like a feeling that you're actually doing something. So I see him also, it's interesting to see his relationship, how they both might be using each other, where it's him trying to use Elizabeth Holmes to sort of like legitimize his ideas to be like, I'm starting a new thing that could be revolutionary.

47:28 Forget the scams. They were all wrong. And her ability.

47:32 To like outsource worrying about the accumulation of capital or something.

47:37 It was, yeah, she really tried. She did.

47:39 She's like one of those people who's like, I outsource the money stuff to this other person. And it always just happens to be like her partner.

47:47 Yeah. It was a con man controlling con man usually. Yeah. Yeah.

47:51 And so like, that's what, It definitely, it seems like a portrait of somebody who like as an organism, like that her way of working is finding people who fit this role. And then she can kind of stay in her own reality distortion field and like believe the thing that she wants to believe, which at one point they say, uh, they, they quote her from when she, Theranos is first introduced where she calls it the most important object ever invented in the history of humanity. So like, you know, she, she, and she believes that, you know, and like, she gets to believe that and have these other people who are around her kind of doing the dirty work. But yeah, it, it ultimately becomes, so Amanda Seyfried comes in and is

48:37 just like, so willing to just be like.

48:41 Like just kind of, go on the ride. Yeah.

48:43 Just get, and like talk, like give her opinion, be the audience surrogate at various points and just like say the thing that like be sort of the voice of reason in this crazy world.

48:55 Yeah.

48:55 Um, craziest moment is like, she goes to their house, to Billy's house and like is really, disarmed by them at first and then yeah like just goes full mask off yeah.

49:08 Fucking like tech fascist like.

49:11 Fascist charlie kirk fan um and she's like really taken aback but also like her thing she was like, I think me being there will get him to say things he wouldn't say to you.

49:25 And she's exactly right. She really did.

49:28 There's like a lot of, interesting themes like in terms of like trying to understand her agency and a lot of this stuff yeah even in like her personal life like as you kind of like you get like a glimpse of like some trauma like from her past that doesn't really get elaborated on like completely like took the air out of the theater i remember oh yeah her dad is just.

49:46 Yeah talked about yeah how she was sexually assaulted and.

49:48 Just like seeing this like interesting pad like when she was watching the dropout she got she got kind of stressed out when she saw the depiction of sunny her old partner like sort of dressing her and telling her what to do And then like when you see like the AI use of how Billy is using her likeness in whatever way he wants for his own gain or using her Twitter persona or Twitter account to say whatever he wants. There's like this other layer of where she's really not in control. And like these men around her kind of being like, I use the texture of Elizabeth Holmes to do things also.

50:24 For my own gain.

50:25 It was just a lot of complexity and like these, these relationships she has, but it's funny too.

50:31 Like the, the Twitter stuff was so funny when.

50:34 He's like, he's like, yeah, like, I just feel like she's got to push back. Like it was just time to fucking like, we're sick of the bullshit. And just like, he's talking about Charlie.

50:43 Yeah.

50:43 Like just replying to people, random people on Twitter as her, like as Elizabeth Holmes.

50:47 Like you're going to start a crypto. I can channel her. Like she speaks through me. I know exactly what she would say.

50:52 And she's like, he's does things a little differently than me.

50:56 Yeah.

50:57 Um, I will say like, So, I think there's a reading that's that. That's, like, he's kind of this bad guy that she's attached herself to because she has these, like, unconscious tendencies to, like, find these terrible men who then, like, kind of do the dirt to make her reality distortion field possible.

51:16 There's also.

51:17 And I will say like, so at the very end, like, it's almost like they, Billy and her are like vindicated because he goes being like, are you okay? Like, you know, he's using you in all these ways. He goes to visit her in jail, which we get through like a, and she like, just is like, no, I love like all these things. She's saying all these things back. to Nathan that like Billy had said. And when he said it, it sounded like crazy. And like, he was just making shit up.

51:49 And so that I was like, Oh, it's like specifically she was like, and I never have to fake it with him where that was a big, like point of contention with a man to say for him where she was like, they fake it. Cause he's like, I'm an incredible lover. And she's like, Oh really?

52:03 Because every man that I've been with, like I've been able to fool them so bad.

52:07 Yeah.

52:08 Yeah. And he's like, next question. I want to change the subject. Literally what he says.

52:12 Um, and that's a big part of what Elizabeth Holmes says is she's like, uh, you know, I never have to fake it with him, which is such a weird thing, but it's almost like carefully prepared remarks from Billy through her mouth.

52:27 Yeah.

52:28 But there's also like, uh, a world where like, I, I think she is smart and like, you know, like the movie also ends with the, as Nathan, all Nathan Fielder projects that involve a woman do where he's like, it's like, was he in love with her? And does that like kind of shading everything that we've seen?

52:49 Yeah.

52:50 But like she, she came into the project being like, I don't know. I've, I'm not familiar with your work, but like, well, like they're taking meetings at that one point with like different filmmakers and like they picked Nathan Fielder to do it.

53:03 Yeah.

53:04 So like, You know, there's a world where she's playing 4D chess and it's just like, yeah, no, this person's going to fall in love with me. That's always been my motto is like, or my MO is like, make people fall in love with me.

53:15 I think I got General Mattis to come on the board. Yeah, exactly. Because I just look at him dead in his eyes and do a little sparkle. Yeah. But it's interesting to see how, too, everyone....

53:27 That's what I really appreciated is like you're trying to figure out who's right, who's trying to preserve their innocence or morality in all of this because you have Amanda Seyfried who's thinking about her portrayal of her. And it's kind of difficult for her to live in a world where Amanda, where Elizabeth Holmes exists. is maybe a little bit more innocent than first thought and where, and like, cause that's where she's really pushing like Nathan to be like, are you remembering things?

53:55 Right.

53:55 Are you trying to protect her because you've like grown this like relationship. So challenging that of like trying to draw, put some focus on that for where Nathan's coming from. But then you can also tell where Amanda's at too. Like she's, you can tell she's very guilt stricken about, um, seeing, especially when she sees Elizabeth Holmes reacting, responding to her performance of her and seeing like sort of what the quote unquote fallout has been for Elizabeth Holmes, whether that's sincere or not, TBD. But it was, I mean like that's what makes it so crazy is like she, Elizabeth Holmes clearly has this effect on people.

54:31 Right.

54:31 And it's really hard to like distinguish when she's being real or not.

54:36 I mean like that whole who's on first thing, moment two was fucking shows her the who's on first like comedy sequence and she like doesn't get it.

54:45 Yeah and it's like do you understand why i'm bringing this up right like because we had a conversation like this almost like nearly beat for beat and she's like no i don't and no that's what okay it's hard to know like yeah where it feels like you know because then she'd look at billy and he's like i i'm telling you man her brain just works differently yeah that's just how it is and i don't know different that's him to keep her in a box where he's insisting like, look, babe, you just look at like, let me figure this out. You look at things differently. Um, but clearly everyone has something to gain. And that's, I think that's, what's interesting as you watch it and trying to figure out like, how, what it is they're trying

55:23 to get, but my God.

55:24 Definitely unknowable. Definitely about unknowability. A lot, a lot of fun, a lot of fun along the way. But you don't come, yeah, you don't come away.

55:31 Like, I guess you don't come away either being like she fully, I mean, I think some, depending on what your outlook is and how you feel, you might come away with a very strong feeling either way. But I think for me more than anything, it's not really about like interrogating her innocence or not, but merely just like getting this much texture from, around this person and her living situation and the man she's with and starting a family with just kind of adds a few other layers that just kind of have me think non-stop.

56:00 Yeah yeah for real All right.

56:03 Well, those are some of the things that are trending from this weekend. We are back tomorrow morning with the whole last episode of the show.

56:10 All right.

56:10 Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourself. Get your vaccines while you still can. Get your flu shots.

56:16 Don't do nothing about white supremacy. No. And we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye. Bye. The Daily Zeitgeist is executive produced by Catherine Law. Co-produced by Victor Wright. Co-written by J.M. McNabb. And edited and engineered by Brian Jeffries.