BEST OF THE HERD – Chiefs Offense Exposed? | Another Cowboys COLLAPSE | Colin Was Right About Lamar Jackson | Broncos Keep Winning

0:00 Thanks for listening to the Herd Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the Herd at foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd Podcast. We are live in Chicago. Bears-Seahawks Monday night football game of the year tonight. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. You know, whenever I talk about the Kansas City Chiefs, they're the closest thing. to the Brady-Belichick dynasty, which, you know, lasted the better part of 20 years. But during that Brady-Belichick dynasty, they were never

0:47 bad on special teams. They never had multiple bad contracts. They were never shaky on the offensive line. They rarely beat themselves. Kansas City beat itself last night. 11 penalties, lost a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter. O-line's a mess. Special teams, get out of here. Kansas City just took too many chances on character-slash-red-flag guys, and they haven't panned out, and the roster is really, really thin, and you're putting all of it on Mahomes to figure it out. They needed a fifth-round running back, Emmitt Johnson, to play like Barry Sanders last night to take a lead. Seattle's roster last weekend and Denver's roster last night, they're just deeper and more athletic with superior all-line play. It's the fourth

1:36 season in a row Kansas City doesn't have a top-10 offense. I mean, they haven't completed a ball down the field post-20 yards in two weeks. So the verdict's in. Seahawks and Broncos figured it out. Go all out to stop Kenneth Walker. Take your chances with Mahomes going downfield. There's nobody open. And it takes the league a while to figure some stuff out. I mean, you don't have to like Bo Nix, but wide receiver, tight end running back.

2:03 Denver's got dudes. Denver's got dudes. And Andy Reid and Mahomes, you just keep piling things on them. And I mean, the trade deadline's a week away. They got to go get a wide receiver. They have to go get a wide receiver. And by the way, the last two weeks, this O-line has allowed the second most pressures in the league.

2:25 So they have a major deficiency on the O-line. They benched a guard with all their problems. They benched a guard before the game. And you know they didn't want to do that. So you can take an occasional red flag guy, character issue guy. You can't take multiple guys like that unless your core is amazing. Well, let's talk Kansas City's core. Trent McDuffie traded him away. Travis Kelsey, 37.

2:52 Chris Jones, dude didn't have a tackle last night. And he hadn't done much in two weeks. So again, when your core is compromised, when your core is aging, when your core is expensive, Chris Jones, and it's not delivering, you start relying on fifth round running backs to carry your offense. And so it took a while for the verdict to be in, but people have figured them out.

3:18 The Seahawks and Denver, both well-coached defenses with a lot of dudes are like, All right, we're going to take out Kenneth Walker, see what you can do downfield. And they don't have anything. So, listen, even a great samurai can't win a sword fight with a plastic knife. Patrick Mahomes, it's the trading deadline in a week. You have got to get him help. You had the game. You were somehow in the lead with 11 penalties and bad special teams and a thin roster. And don't even get me going on– why you tried a 50 plus yard kick in a rainstorm with a, with a kicker that's been on a cold streak for the season. Here's Travis Kelsey after, you.

4:06 Know, obviously in our hearts, we feel like we should have came out with a victory, but at the same time, you know, that's not the reality of things, reality of things that we got to fix a lot. And, and the little things, mistakes, and it starts with the person that you're looking in the mirror. And I'm one of them.

4:21 I've been, I've been frustrated with myself on how long I've been in the league and the procedural stuff that's happened for the past three games, really.

4:34 All right.

4:36 You know, I thought the Cowboys had bottomed out, but they grabbed a shovel and they continue to dig, which is great when you're searching for oil, Jerry, but not for football teams. I think this was like a five-year low. At home, 24-10 lead in the fourth, a backup quarterback, Gardner Minshew, bottom three roster, comes back and beats you.

5:00 You can't stop him, and they stop you. I mean, I had no idea Tyler Algier was like the second greatest running back in the history of the sport. Like, what is happening here? I mean, Gardner Minshew became the only quarterback in the NFL this year to throw for three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. And I'm not nitpicking.

5:17 I can do that with Kansas City's field goal decision. I mean, Dallas has played the fourth easiest schedule. They're three and five. The Giants are on a third quarterback. They lead the division. This isn't nitpicking. This is like way out in front of you. And most alarming, they lose different ways. The Cowboys have become those two robbers in Home Alone. They're falling down the stairs. They're tripping over paint cans. They're stepping on toys. It's a different way to be ridiculous throughout. And you were playing at home.

5:46 At least those guys were on the road. I mean, I I'm watching Dallas that week one against the giants. Remember they couldn't get the ball back. Only two possessions. Remember that they couldn't stop the giants with Jackson dart. And then in week three, they faced the Ravens. And remember the Ravens game. It was that overseas botched clock management, special teams decision. And then they face in week five, Tampa with an undrafted rookie quarterback. Couldn't get him off the field. And then in week six, they had extra time.

6:14 They go to Green Bay with Dak Prescott, Pickens, Lamb, Javante Williams, good old line, get five first downs in the first half, playing from behind. Yesterday, yeah, it's one thing that the defense, last in the league in anything, gave up six yards of play. We know it's not good. It's supposed to be better than that, but we know it's not great. And we know Jerry went cheap on coaching, but the offense had two big possessions, fourth quarter and a regulation, and they went backwards with both. Backwards. So, again, it'd be one thing if Josh Allen and James Cook and DJ Moore are lighting you up, but Gardner Minshew?

6:53 I like Michael Wilson. I like Elger. He's a good running back. But this is the worst coached team in the NFL, and it is a wide margin. And I'm watching yesterday. The Dolphins are not great. They play hard. Jeff Halfley is doing a lot with nothing. They play hard. That defense is pretty good. The Titans aren't very good.

7:15 They need about eight more players. But every time I watched the Titans the last three or four weeks, they get better. They're improving. Dallas is going backwards. And Dallas has at least 10 to 12, like legitimate players with all these trades and acquisitions and draft capital and money. I mean, Caleb downs in the right hands would be a stud. He's getting bulldozed last couple of weeks. So to me, I was thinking about this yesterday, watching Dallas deck, all quarterbacks to some degree. put their career in the hands of their GM owner and coach Dak deserves better.

7:51 And he's not the kind of guy that would ever demand a trade or call out teammates, but he's coming off the field yesterday. And I'm looking at him. This, this is, this is bad. And again, not all teams with losing records, the dolphins are playing their butt off. The Titans are getting better every week. Some teams have personnel deficiencies. That is not, that is not Dallas's problem here.

8:13 They got dudes there. They're not that far off Denver. They got players everywhere. Two star receivers. I mean, I'm getting to a point now, one more bad week. I mean, if they're bad next week, do you move off George Pickens and get a pick? I mean, I mean, seriously, I was starting to think about them like the Colts.

8:31 Let's just start moving guys. Cause this isn't working. And, and, and, you know, and Dak, cause he's classy and always in crisis, he says the right thing. He could point a lot of fingers, but afterwards he didn't. It's all of us.

8:48 It's all of us.

8:48 Don't, don't, don't put the blame on one person. Simple as that. I think that's weak. I think that's cowardly. This game is About all, as I said, all 11 that touch the field and every person that has a part in it, coaches and support staff. And so it's never just one person's fault. Even if I go out there and throw a bunch of interceptions, it's never just truly one person's fault. And so, yeah, don't take the easy and cheap way out. This is about us and it's about us backing him up and backing one another up.

9:17 And we'll have to show it.

9:19 I'm not blaming one person. I'm blaming Jerry Jones and Steven Jones and Brian Schottenheimer. I'm blaming several people, none of them DAC. But this is not a team that has a talent deficiency. You know, in New York with the Jets, you've got a quarterback head coaching issue. Dolphins, you just need another 10 players. You need another draft and free agency. Titans, Cam Ward's playing better, but you may have to move off the quarterback. And again, Sala and the guys need another seven players in the draft.

9:49 That's not Dallas's issue. They're well capitalized. They spend a lot of money. They got a lot of guys. That is bad. Oh, J Mac. tonight bears at Seattle. I mean, you talk about talent.

10:08 I like your Pickens trade.

10:09 I haven't heard that anywhere because they want to be a run first team now, right?

10:13 It's not the game plan.

10:14 If they go three and six next week, next Monday, Tuesday, what are we doing here? Yeah, well, I don't know.

10:22 Somebody said the over-under trades on this week at one and a half. I would keep an eye on my guy, Brees.

10:27 Hall, with the Jets.

10:28 How about, let me just tell you this. If the Seahawks struggle to run the ball tonight, keep your eye on Jonathan Taylor in Seattle. Well, Zach Sharman, he's coming back. He's going to be on the field. He's good near the goal line. He's a two, but I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle doesn't, doesn't just say, Ken, they don't have needs on the roster outside of running back. I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle's like, here's our late first round pick. Give us Jonathan Taylor. I think that's in play.

10:58 Listen, Tony Pollard has flashed for Tennessee.

11:00 He's looked real good.

11:02 Jacking his value up. Breeze Hall from the Jets. Remember Chiefs wanted him last year. I wouldn't take any offensive players away from Cam Ward. I want to see Cam play another seven or eight weeks. You got to make a decision on Cam Ward. Are we keeping him or moving off him? You can trade Jeffrey Simmons, but it looks like Cam Ward's kind of found himself the last couple of weeks. I'm not going to take anything from him.

11:23 I've got to watch him for another seven weeks to make a determination. Is he the guy?

11:27 And he looked good without Tate, their first-round pick yesterday. I mean, threw a big scare into my Bengals.

11:32 Yes, my Bengals and Survivor. Needed overtime.

11:36 Okay. By the way, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, top of next hour. I don't know if you noticed... USC is back in the top 25.

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12:36 Here we go. It's hour two. Bear Seahawks tonight. Matt Hasselbeck in less than five minutes. It's the herd. I know a lot of you didn't watch New England and Miami. Patriots had 97 yards in the first half. I'm telling you, man. Drake May was missing his top five weapons. Hunter Henry got banged up in the second half, I think it was.

12:56 Drake May just put that franchise on his shoulders. He's just like, guys, I'm going to carry you. I'm telling you, that kid's going to win a Super Bowl. I guarantee it. Drake May's winning the Super Bowl. I mean, can you imagine if they can get him weapons? Can you imagine if he had Mims and Cortland Sutton and Jalen Waddell?

13:20 that kid is so good all right it's monday colin right colin wrong let's fire away where colin was right i said in july and august i'm out on lamar jackson as a dependable elite quarterback and i said this before the injuries i said there's just too much mystery i don't know if he's going to practice i don't think he trusts the organization they're walking on eggshells then he gets hurt yesterday which is certainly isn't his fault but it's his reality uh he'll be out for the I mean, he's taken 200 more hits than any other quarterback, and he's a kid willing to sit in the pocket and take it. But it just doesn't feel physically or emotionally right. I said it in the offseason, got pushed back.

13:59 One way or another, it doesn't feel right. And yesterday it was the injury, probably out for the season.

14:06 Where Colin was wrong.

14:08 Listen, I didn't think the Cowboys defense would be Denver. But, I mean, all the trades and acquisitions and money, I didn't expect to give 500 yards up to Arizona. I mean, Tyler Algier looked like Adrian Peterson. 13 yards a carry. Gardner Minshew. The kid was just spinning it. So Arizona has beaten Dallas five straight times in nine of ten, but I think it's gone from discouraging to embarrassing. You know, it's one thing, again, a great quarterback, Caleb Williams beat you, Drake May beat you, Mahomes, Allen. It's another when Gardner Minshew off the bench trailing big in the fourth riddles you through your defense. I didn't think it would be this bad. I didn't think it would be great, but I thought it would be a top-12 defense. It's a mess.

14:56 Where Colin was right.

14:57 We said, Lincoln Riley's smart. He's backed into a corner. USC is the side. They're going to play very well. And they beat Ohio State. They ran the ball exceptionally well. You know, Ohio State still dominated time of possession and had 81 plays to USC's 50. But we said, listen, freshman quarterback on the road. USC's backed into a corner.

15:20 They're going to play really, really good. And, you know, we didn't know win or lose, but you had a feeling. These are 19-year-old, 20-year-old kids. They don't listen to guys like us in the media criticizing the coach. They love their coach. So I do think Ohio State's going to be fine. I mean, it was one of those nights where balls in the air, USC's defensive lineman has it.

15:41 But this idea that, you know, USC was never going to fight back was nonsense.

15:46 Where Colin was wrong.

15:48 Justin Herbert, off a bye, no touchdowns. Touchdown every game. Interception in every game this year. Only quarterback can say this. Obviously, Mike McDaniel and Herbert, it doesn't work. They've got to make a move there. But his body language, his expressions, he's running for his life. I mean, I just never thought it would.

16:13 Listen, C.J.

16:14 Stroud had a rough season. Drake May had a rough stretch. Herbert looks beaten down, and I never thought I'd see that.

16:21 Where Colin was right.

16:23 I love Liam Cohen. I mean, Baker Mayfield had him and was like in the MVP discussion. Baker yesterday won but didn't complete a pass. He has turned Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence right now leads the NFL in passer rating. Before Liam Cohen got there, there was a lot of us, myself included, thinking, wow, he never worked out. I would have bet my 401k on Trevor Lawrence. Now he leads the league in passer rating. I mean, they annihilated a team in Indianapolis that's selling off their best players, but it's a three-headed monster. They got playmakers. They can go underneath.

16:55 They can run Trevor can run they are an absolute handful and Liam Cohen don't judge a guy just by what he does where he arrives what happens to the place he leaves and Tampa's offense is a shell outside of Bucky Irving is a shell of what it used to.

17:11 Be where Colin was wrong.

17:14 Kirk Cousins what am I watching he's second in the league in touchdown passes the Raiders are sixth in the league in scoring And they're doing it with mostly tight ends. Is it the Clint Kubiak effect? I honestly wonder if they started playing Mendoza and they put Kirk on the market, if Minnesota would come up and give you a second round pick. I mean, I thought he was done. I mean, off the surgery, I'm like, listen, he'll play five or six weeks. And then you know, no, he makes a lot of right. He makes a lot of smart decisions.

17:45 He's seen every coverage. You know, he's coachable and a hard worker. But I didn't expect this from Kirk Cousins.

17:52 Where Colin was right.

17:54 I looked it up this morning. Yaxel Lindenberg, when they got drafted by Golden State, I said, oh, wow, what a shock. Draft somebody that's a little older and it's really productive in college instead of drafting somebody that's 19 with great potential. Yaxel has been a monster for Golden State. The bottom line was Steve Kerr and Steph Curry and Draymond Green. This is a highly difficult, sophisticated offense to master, and you can't have 19-year-old kids in there. the NBA older but the body the aggressiveness he's a willing defender he's tough listen he's got I think he's got to mature a little bit I mean he is first year in the NBA but uh you know we said why wouldn't you draft ah he's a little old I don't

18:40 know he can play that he was dominant at Michigan he's the best rookie right now in the class seems to me it was the right.

18:48 Call where Colin was wrong.

18:52 Oh boy, Michael Penix completed 12 passes, four to the other guys. Couldn't hang on to the ball. Listen, you can't blame anybody else because he's got, I like the O-line, I like the coach. I'm a big Penix fan. And I understand the rain. It's Tampa. It's stormy. It's wet. You get this sometimes in November. But that was as bad as it gets. I will give the kid credit.

19:14 Even after interceptions, he'll sling it downfield. And he's got an Andrew Luck component to him. Like, I don't care. I'm going to throw the ball down the field. I like Penix a lot. I like sort of his EQ. He doesn't care if he throws picks. I like that. But that was ugly.

19:28 Where Colin was right.

19:30 Wrap it up with this. We predicted the Brewers would beat the Dodgers. Yes, we did. We predicted they would beat the Rays. They did not lean into analytics. Uh, don't blame them. If the world series ratings were down, Tampa's got no fans nationally and not that many locally. They're young. They're athletic one through nine. Everybody is a good at bat. Uh, uh they it's fundamentals it's a selfless team a lot of fun to watch they put pressure on the defense they can defend the bullpen that is and they prove something we've been lecturing preaching for years Payroll is overstated. I'm not saying it doesn't matter to solve a pitching liability or a bullpen issue. I'm not saying money can't help. But too much is made

20:16 of the payroll disparity between teams like Milwaukee and the Dodgers. And they didn't just beat the Dodgers. They swept them and... beat him in every category where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong and bringing Matt Hasselbeck 18 years in the NFL wild, wild day. I want to start with this.

20:35 I want to start with payroll is overrated.

20:37 Don't, don't say that when you go in for your next contract negotiation.

20:40 Okay.

20:40 Colin, I didn't say in broadcasting it's.

20:45 Just in baseball, just in baseball.

20:46 Yeah.

20:47 Gotcha.

20:47 Gotcha. This business, you better pay up. I'll tell you that. So, um, I want to start with a couple of things. Sometimes there are these games, I would call them blueprint games. You play on national TV and the league's watching and everybody's like, oh, they can't do this. They can't do that. Last two weeks, the Seahawks played the Chiefs and said, we're going to stop Kenneth Walker. Beat us downfield. And Denver said, I like what Seattle did. We're going to stop.

21:21 We're going to stop Kenneth Walker. I feel like is the word out on Kansas City like they're just not good enough down the field to beat you all in on Kenneth Walker.

21:32 Well, there's absolutely no doubt that the deep passing game is really not there for Kansas City right now.

21:39 It's a head scratcher.

21:40 I mean, Bo Nix completed more passes downfield than Patrick Mahomes did. And we know the kind of like the hate that he's getting for that part of his game right now. I thought it was a great game that Kansas city had a chance to come away with the win.

21:53 They're right there.

21:54 They've got the ball in like the four yard line with my homes as the ball it's second and one from the one it's fourth in one from the one, like they should have won the game that could have won the game. So I don't think the sky is falling for them, but this is a team in transition. They're trying to figure out what their identity is. You know, it's still the Travis Kelsey show and gotta have it moments, but he's not being used the same way that he once was. And then the, The crispness of the wide receiver group outside just clearly isn't there either. So some mistakes they got to overcome and mistakes you usually don't see out of this team. And it's a bad feeling right now for them, but I wouldn't give up on

22:32 them quite yet.

22:33 What did you make of, I don't like to second guess coaches on a lot of decisions, but I think on special teams, I can, I, I think that that's, I would not have tried that field goal late. I would have pinned Bo Nix and said, I don't care if it's four down football, go 84 yards. I didn't let this kicker had been struggling. It was raining and cruddy weather. What did you make of that decision?

22:58 I think, yeah, I realized the, the relationships that go deep there, you know, Harrison Butker is one of the game's best kickers. And I know he's been struggling a little bit this year. But like, you know, I was teammates with Adam Vinatieri, who's a hall of famer. You know, he, he missed kicks from time to time. We didn't freak out.

23:14 Like our, our confidence in him did not flinch. He didn't waver ever because we believed in him. We just knew he was going to get it right. And so, you know, clearly they haven't gotten it right quite yet in the kicking situation, but you're also in Denver, you know, as a quarterback, when I played in Denver, it just, you felt, it just felt different. The altitude's real for kickers.

23:33 It's the same thing. It's kind of like kicking.

23:35 In a dome.

23:36 So I think everyone was shocked that he missed the kick and, and, and, you know, that that's, that's really how I see it.

23:43 Okay. So I want to go to Bo Nix. It is on, I don't know if it's ever happened. I haven't looked it up. The Broncos have won 15 straight one possession games. And I mean, that's insane. And I mean, they lead the league in punts. So they pin themselves back. on Bo Nix, but he has the fewest yards per air attempt in the league and yet still completing 59%.

24:12 Some of this to me is coaching. Some of this is Sean Payton dialing up so many of these Denver big plays guys are wide open. That's not quarterback play that to me, that scheme. What do you make of Denver's offense currently?

24:25 Well, it's a little bit of both.

24:26 You know, I actually think Bo Nix is getting a lot of heat and playing good football and he's very streaky. Like I'll, I'll admit to that, like a home run hitter that gets on a tear or a three point shooter. But he's, he's his best on like fourth down situations, two minute situations. He's at his best when his best is kind of required. And, you know, you mentioned the guys that are wide open. It's scheme, but it's also, you know, blitz hots using his legs. He has a poise that's uncommon for someone his age with with his level of experience. So, you know, I just think that Sean Payton coming back, I know how important it is to have to be in lockstep. with your play caller this is a team that was two and two when

25:07 Sean Payton was not the play caller they haven't lost the last four weeks when he's been the play caller they're now six and two only the Buffalo Bills have a better record than them confidence is brewing and yet I think there's a humility there that offensively quarterback included they know they can play a lot better they know they need to play a lot better but uh the home field advantage is real I believe in Sean Payton and and Bonick showed to me last year that he's got what it takes to take his team to the super bowl. So if you're asking me for a ceiling on this team, I think this is a super bowl team.

25:38 If they could get by, they can improve and get by a team like Buffalo.

25:43 Wow. You are optimistic. And that's one thing I like about you. I got, I got this cynicism and built into me as a hardened journalist and you're out there spitting positivity all the time.

25:53 I'll just say, I didn't expect it though.

25:55 Like I watched the game and you know, I watched the game on TV, like everybody else. Then I went back and rewatched the game the way that I would watch it in a quarterback room.

26:03 If Jim Zorn or Andy Reed, or one.

26:05 Of those guys, Mike McCarthy was my quarterback coach. And it was shocking to me how great Bo Nix was on fourth down and two minute.

26:12 It also was shocking.

26:13 The big plays that happened that quite honestly didn't happen for Kansas city.

26:18 It was the difference in the game.

26:19 That's why one team won and the other team didn't moment of truth, got to have it fourth down plays two minute that, that stuff.

26:26 And so, Hey, I just call on how I see it.

26:29 So green Bay earlier this year had about a three game stretch where they did nothing. Well, Dallas now is on a season stretch where they do nothing well. So it's hard for me to blame players. And I think players are more valuable than coaches, but we all know coaching elevates players, especially young players. I watched Dallas, man, they don't do anything well. I mean, at some point you've done this in your career, you're a nice guy, but you probably had either a position coach or a head coach or a coordinator, and you knew they were over their skis. They just weren't ready for the moment.

27:06 I just, I look at Schottenheimer and I'm like, you got to do something right. There's got to be something you're doing right. Yesterday, the offense had two key offensive possessions late. They got pushed backwards. Both. I mean, I mean, do players know they may not say it, but do they know when the staff isn't elevating them to a level that other staffs are?

27:29 Well, I think there's a lot of mediocrity to go around. I don't think it's just, I don't think it's just one group. I don't think it's just players or just coaches or just management and that kind of stuff. This is not a dynamic team.

27:40 They're not crisp.

27:42 I mean, even Dak Prescott, who's one of their highest paid players, if not their highest paid player, who we expect. I had a coach one time, he would always say this to the quarterback. He'd say, listen, Dak, Times like this, you need to be amazing marinara sauce over yesterday's pasta. Like, you need to be the fixer. And you need to be dynamic. And you need to rise above. And, like, that's not what's happening right now at the quarterback position. So, like, there's tons of blame to go around. I'm not trying to throw stones at Dak. But he ran for more third down, first downs yesterday than he threw for.

28:15 Like, it's just, you know... And some, he should have ran for more.

28:18 Like we need, we need more out of this offense. They're not running tricky stuff. They're just not doing it well. I mean, they're running plays that Jacksonville's running and Jacksonville looks like the most explosive.

28:29 Team in all football at times.

28:31 So it's just, I think you got to do less better. I think that would be my advice for them offensively. You got to do less better. And then on defense, like mistakes are going to happen. You can't make the same mistake over and over and over again. You can't even make it twice. Like mistakes will happen. Don't be an error repeater would be my advice to their defense.

28:50 So I've always had like a saying that I believe to be true, which is don't make choices in life to validate previous decisions. Just go missed wrong. Like I screwed up and, GM is a lot of times won't do that because if they have to move off a player, they draft or spend a lot of money on it makes them look bad. My thing is do what's right.

29:14 The DK Metcalf thing. It's not working like like Aaron. I think it's almost throwing to him out of a field that he should. He's expensive. He's DK Metcalf. Like, it's not working, and the cap hit is enormous. It triples. And have you ever been in a situation— I mean, I look at that, and I'm like, I almost think it's time to move off him now and get out of that business and let— Aaron concentrate on the guys that the younger guys. I mean, I think what Aaron and Mike McCarthy are doing with this offensive roster is pretty impressive.

29:48 Jalen Warren's amazing. And that's about it. Like I, I think Aaron's actually playing well.

29:56 I don't think that's about it.

29:57 I think they've got a really strong tight end room. I think their running back room is really strong. They've got the young wide receiver that they like. Yes, DK had a tough day. He doesn't look like himself. He doesn't seem like he's as explosive and flexible and pliable as he once was.

30:13 But I don't think that's the biggest issue. I think the biggest issue is.

30:17 That he and Aaron Rodgers aren't seeing things the same way. Like I'll go back to, they had like a first and goal on the two yard line and it's press man daring you to throw a goal line fade. Like that's like our favorite thing to do as a quarterback. We've been doing that since we were freshmen in high school, as a wide receiver, you've been doing that since you were a freshman in high school. And what happens is when you're under center, the quarterback's going to take either a one or a three step drop.

30:42 When you're in gun, you're going to take a one step drop.

30:45 The wide receiver has to time it up.

30:46 They just were way out of sync. It was just a complete miss. Like it wasn't even close.

30:52 Like if the ball was a grenade, I'm not sure if anyone would have gotten hurt. And that's just a timing thing because they weren't in sync. So to me, those are fixable things that can get fixed, but it's going to be this, it's going to be getting on the same page as Aaron Rogers. Not like the two of us figuring out what each of us likes. It's going to be Aaron's way or, or the balls go in other places.

31:12 Okay. Seahawks added Quentin Nelson. Bears added Jeffrey Simmons. They were good rosters before that. It does have like a Ram Seahawks feel last year where you're like, these are the two best teams, everybody. What will the game do you think look like tonight?

31:31 Big running game. Like I think run game, run game, run game for both teams. I see that for sure. I also think that I know when you study and prepare for a team, you look at something called the big play reel. And the Green Bay Packers showed that they did not have a lot of respect for the guys in the back end in terms of shots downfield, whether that's play action or whatever.

31:55 So that'll be a part of this story.

31:57 I think this plan for Seattle, it'll be run game, run game, run game, and test your safeties deep. That'll be part of it. But it's interesting because I agree. These are two of the best teams in the NFC at.

32:07 The end of the year.

32:08 But right now, Like if the bears lose this game, they're all of a sudden last place in their division somehow, you know, they win, they win because they've got such a great division that they win this game. Now people are saying, wow, they just went to Seattle. A team that's one of the best in football the last couple of years.

32:24 I mean, wow.

32:24 Look, look, look at the trajectory that we're on. So this is an enormous game tonight.

32:30 And yeah, You know, I want.

32:32 To say it's a chess match, but like, I don't think it's a chess match. I think this is old school. You know what our plan is. We know what your plan is sprinkled in with some trick plays probably because it's Ben Johnson, but it should be a fun one.

32:45 You played a Monday night football game or two. I imagine in Seattle, what's it like?

32:49 It's awesome. It's incredible.

32:51 Uh, something about the West coast, usually, you know, it's, it's not late to us. Like when you're on the East coast, those Monday night games are super late. And then on the West coast, it kind of feels like, Oh great. Everyone's, you know, like, this is our time. Like you're a, you're in our time zone. This is kind of fun. But, uh, you know, I think also in Seattle, they don't get a lot of that national attention.

33:08 It's not like playing for the jets or the giants or you're the Cowboys or the Steelers where you feel like everyone's talking about you. So I think that even for that reason, the 12s take a little bit more pride in it. And, uh, and obviously the they just won the super bowl too. So the excitement is, is still there.

33:22 Yeah. Matt Hasselbeck trade deadlines next Tuesday. So there's a lot of rumors out there that if Seattle can't run the ball particularly well tonight that keep your eye on Jonathan Taylor and the Colts. I'm just telling you, that's what's kind of out there. I think this is, I listen.

33:39 And if you're, if you're a running back, if you're a running back, you.

33:43 Hear that too. So even I'll tell you, I.

33:46 Think those running backs are going to be at another gear tonight because it's a sink or swim moment for them.

33:52 Matt Hasselbeck. I love the positivity you brought today. I got a little negative and you just push back on it.

33:58 It's Monday. It's it's Monday. I get it. You got the Mondays. I get it.

34:03 Good seeing you, bud.

34:05 See ya.

34:06 Matt Hasselbeck. We have Tom Brady on tomorrow, which we always love.