THE HERD – HOUR 3 – Chiefs Deadline Buyers?

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0:29 Senior NFL reporter, Monday morning quarterback, trade deadlines on a couple of Tuesdays. Big news yesterday. I mean, DeForest Buckner is a good player. Niners got him for a fourth-round pick, which will be bottom of the fourth. That's a pretty good get. Quentin Nelson for a bottom of the third, bottom of the fifth pick. And I've said this, NIL.

0:52 to me has really, really caved in the sixth and seventh round in the NFL draft. And so a bottom of the fifth round pick to me is, uh, that's, it could be a special team guy or a rotational at best guy. I think that Seahawks did very well, uh, with that Albert Breer. Now money morning quarterback is now joining us live. Let's talk about that. Listen, it's, it's, we have more young GMs. There's more trades. We all know that that's, that's, uh, yesterday's news. But I, I did think, uh, My take on the Quentin Nelson thing was a little bit like, listen, we lost Kenneth Walker, and although Charbonnet and Price are nice pieces, they're not Kenneth Walker, but we know that Sam Darnold on play action is elite. He was in Minnesota. He is in Seattle.

1:32 We know when he has a run game, with his additive mobility, he's special. So we're not going to go overpay for a back. We let one go. We're going to go get the best guard in the league. I thought it was a real message of, like, Darnold's our guy. He just needs protection or a run game. Like, I thought if I'm Sam Darnold, I'd love that move. What did you make of it?

1:54 I'm glad you said that, Colin, because if you really look back over the course of the last few weeks, and that Denver game in particular, like, The real problem was they couldn't run the ball.

2:05 At all.

2:05 So that allowed Denver's defensive lineman to tee off. Darnold started to get hit, and that's when the mistakes come. And you saw a different player on Sunday. Yeah, he had the one hiccup against the Chiefs, but they ran for 150 yards. And so I think this is John Schneider doubling down and saying, okay, like we've got this going and we've got a chance to turn what's been an iffy area of, for us into a real strength, which is only going to make our quarterback better. And so like now I think John Schneider might have the best line that he's had there. And he's been there for 16 years, 17 years now. And yeah, and has won two Super Bowls. They have two tackles in Charles Cross and Abe Lucas, who are paid. They have a

2:45 first-round pick from last year at guard, Gray Zabel, who was borderline All-Pro as a rookie and is a really good player now. And you're going to put a Hall of Famer at the other guard spot, and then you're going to bring Charbonnet and Price back from injury.

3:00 To me.

3:02 The defense is starting to play really well. Again, the run game is coming, coming, is starting around into shape and you're going to be adding Nelson to that. And you're going to be adding price to that. And you're going to be adding Charbonnet to that. And in the past game, you've got one of the best players in the league at any position in Jackson Smith and Jigba all of a sudden now Seattle looks like they're, they're, they're in a really good spot to repeat.

3:24 Listen, um, we, we saw the Sam Darnold, um, rehab in Minnesota, got the right coach. Um, So J.J. McCarthy, it was confidence, it was injuries, it was that he couldn't layer the ball. There were boxes he couldn't check. And I watch him against Houston, and I'm like, oh, he checked all of them. And again, we think Kevin O'Connell is one of these quarterback whisperers. I was shocked how good he was at Houston. That's a well-coached defense.

3:53 It hasn't been as good this year. Around the league, were people shocked?

3:59 Yeah, they were. And I think a lot of this comes down to fit, right? And I think the thing that a lot of people missed on the reason the Giants traded for him was because they felt like they had that fit and that they built an offense for Jackson Dart that fit J.J. McCarthy to a tee. And so did they know he was going to come in there in week seven and do this and win in Houston?

4:21 No.

4:22 But I think they felt like the infrastructure was in place to get J.J. McCarthy going. And again, he and Dart both played in RPO-centered systems in college. Both can make plays with their feet. Both can make throws on the run. Both of them are sort of gamers. They're a little different. I think Dart's arm talent might be a little better. McCarthy may have a little bit of a stronger arm. Dart's a bigger framed guy. But in general, the two players have some similar strengths. And so the offense that was built for Dart works for McCarthy. And I just got to tell you, watching him play... I want to put this the right way. There was like a freedom to the way he was playing. Like, you know, and I think that that stemmed from what he was

5:05 able to do the week before against the Saints, where they let him run around a little bit and be a little bit more of the playmaker. And I think because that playmaking came back to him, now all of a sudden he's playing better within structure, too, in an offense that fits for him. So. the whole thing sort of came together. So, you know, I, I think this goes back to the reason why they traded for him.

5:23 I mean, yes, there's the relationship there. You know, John Harbaugh knew JJ McCarthy when he's 18 years old, because his brother coached him. But on top of that, I do think from a football standpoint, there was a really good fit there and they're able to leverage a level of play from JJ that I don't think we've seen from him as a pro.

5:40 All right.

5:40 At the trade deadline, I keep, I keep saying, watch the bears and Khalil Mack, watch the, Kansas City and a wide receiver, like that feels odd. Yesterday, DeForest Buckner, J-Mac, we both immediately said after they quit Nelson to the Hawks, we're like, okay, they're going to go get Buckner because just almost to match the chess match, Kansas City's not good enough at wide receiver. I mean, that Seattle game just magnified. They're just not simply good enough. Is there a receiver out there the Chiefs could get?

6:11 Yeah, I mean, Jerry Judy is somebody in Cleveland where, you know, you look at it and Cleveland's really invested in their two young receivers, the rookies, Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion. So could Judy be a veteran piece that can come in and contribute right away? Calvin Ridley in Tennessee, I don't think the Titans are looking to give him away.

6:34 They've got to evaluate their quarterback there. But Carnell Tate's played really well for the Titans, so could there be an opportunity with Ridley? That's certainly something to look at. The one that's fascinating to me would be, can you get Stephon Diggs out of Washington? And there are jobs on the line in Washington, so I'm not sure that they will be willing to give him up, especially after they lost Terry McLaurin for the year. But the idea of Diggs working with Mahomes, it really intrigues me. And here's why. I think there's a specific fit there. You look at Diggs with Josh Allen, right? You look at Diggs with Drake Maye. The reason he worked with those two guys is because he's like the ultimate scramble drill receiver.

7:13 Like he's, he is such a smart player and he's so good in space and he's so good at finding dead spots in zones. And so he was great for Josh Allen as a young player. He was great for Drake May as a young player. And just the way the chiefs play, like digs would make a ton of sense. I that's one, like if you could draw it up and I don't know that Washington is gonna be willing to give them up, but like if Washington loses another game or two and falls a little bit out of the race, maybe that's somebody you make a call on.

7:40 Yeah. Do you think the bears will make a move?

7:42 So, like you said, D-Tackle was the one, like, for me. And I really thought, like, Buckner would have been a fit for them. I think they're one of a number of teams that are in the D-Tackle market. So, you know, throw them in there with, you know, the Jaguars, the Giants as teams that are going to be making calls around on defensive tackles. What would those names be? Well, you know, I'll go back to Washington. Deron Payne would be one that I think you can look at. Maybe you can get him out of there. Grover Stewart in Indianapolis.

8:10 He's in a he's in a contract here. A very good player. Are the Colts willing to give up another D tackle? We'll see. So, like, I think there's a little bit of a crowded market for D tackles. And like you said, like they could add an edge as well. Montez Sweat, they get him back off of of of the suspended list this week. They're able to win two games without him. they've forever been looking for somebody to put opposite him. And the idea of bringing Khalil Mack back.

8:37 From the Chargers might make some sense. Yeah, that's the one I think. You polled NFL execs. I went and watched Caleb and Drake May play live last Thursday. You just polled NFL execs. What did they tell you when you polled them about those two quarterbacks? Give me the results. What did you feel?

8:54 Yeah, so it was a variety of guys. It was actually a great producer of mine up here in Boston, Jeff Capitosto, asked me to do it. And so I did it over the course of a few hours. It wasn't scientific, but it was, I think, six GMs, five offensive coordinators. It wound up being 17 guys total who are connected to the quarterback position, who evaluate quarterbacks. And 12 of the 17 said they'd take Caleb. Um, and mostly the reasoning on taking Caleb over Drake was, you know, the other worldly playmaking ability, the clutch play, the demonstrated clutch play and how he's played at the end of games. Um, and the fact that he's continually gotten better over the course of his three years, you know, also maybe, you know,

9:35 like the idea that. The situation that he's in is sort of turned him into this sort of player where is the trajectory now like a Josh Allen trajectory, where if he can just take the easy stuff, man, he's going to be tough to defend. But it was close for most guys. And I'd say the guys who took Drake were leaning more on makeup, leaning more on sustainability.

10:01 and the progress that Drake has made as a pocket quarterback. So certainly, you know, I think that for most guys, it was tough to pick between the two. And the follow-up question I asked, and I thought this was really interesting, was post-Joe Burrow. So post-2020, are those two the best to come into the league? And most agreed that yes, they are. Brock Purdy got some mention there. It was like maybe the best processor there. CJ Stroud, based on how he's played early this year, maybe the best passer of the group. But most guys said that if there was two guys that you would pick to build around for the next decade or so, with Jaden Daniels having the injury concern, it would almost certainly be Drake May

10:44 and Caleb williams out of the 2021 22 23 24 25 and 26.

10:50 Class when do you start working on the draft where you talk to coaches and execs about the draft is that is that i already have okay so let me ask you what are they saying about the 2027 quarterback class i like the kid at miami yeah i think cj card notre dame's interesting outside of that i mean yeah.

11:09 So what's unique about this group, Colin, like, and I said, this coming into the year was like, I don't think you didn't have like a Trevor Lawrence or a Caleb Williams or a, you know, or a, an Andrew Luck where it was like coming into the year, you knew, okay, okay. Like this guy's going in a top five and probably first overall, like we didn't have that, but what you did have was like this enormous number of quarterbacks that at least had a shot to play themselves into the first round. And it just hasn't happened. You know, like, so you have like Nico Iamaliava at UCLA and Julian saying at Ohio state, they're now hurt, right? Like you have Dante Moore with a concussion and now he's done at Oregon. And it was interesting talking to people about

11:50 him because it was, you know, he's right on the line athletically, maybe a little bit above average athletically. He's right on the line from an arm strength standpoint, like, As a passer, he's really polished. He's really smooth. He's a good operator. Is that enough to take him in the first round? Probably. But does that make him a top 10 prospect? Maybe not. You've got a couple of guys where the ceiling is the question. Darian Ments has played really well at Miami. The questions I've got on him are ceiling. Same for Trinidad Chambliss. 5'10, he's going to be 25 by the start of next year. So the two guys that have really emerged as the guys that I think would be the top two guys to go now, we've got a ways to go between now

12:29 and April, of course, and a lot of games to play between now and January, I think would be C.J. Carr at Notre Dame and Drew Mestemaker at Oklahoma State. I think those two would be the two that are the leaders in the clubhouse now to be guys that would go inside the top five or ten picks. Arch Manning, of course, is a little bit of a wild card.

12:48 You know, we'll see the way which way that one goes. And, you know, the interesting thing about all this is all these guys, you know, most of them at least can go back to school. So that could be a factor with all this, too. Although I would say this, like with what happened with Brendan Sorsby, who's going to be a factor in the draft class as well, with what happened with Dante Moore, with what's happened with San and Ina Maliava. Do some of these guys look at it and say, yeah, I got a strike when the iron's hot.

13:14 So maybe that becomes the case with Carr and Mestemaker.

13:16 Yeah, I like Carr. Even in that loss, I thought his final drive against BYU, he was kind of athletic, made a couple of tight window throws. All right. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback. Good seeing you.

13:29 All right.

13:29 Thanks, Colin.

13:31 He's playing hurt. Got a pulled hammy. Always appreciate that. Jay Mack, when a guy plays hurt. easily said can't make it today i.

13:37 Mean it sounds like a serious hamstring injury well by the way i just saw tyrese halliburton hamstring he's now down everybody's getting hurt for how long they didn't say shams is putting out there he's gonna be down like what the heck are these guys not getting in the gym in the off season do i need to work out with these guys show them how to stay healthy at an old age it is.

14:00 Um I will say I don't remember an NBA season with this many really bad injuries this early.

14:06 These are star players. These are like all-star level, all-NBA caliber players.

14:10 And Halliburton.

14:11 Kawhi. I think you kind of brushed that off.

14:14 Kind of.

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15:53 World Series resumes tonight. Game five. Good news for the Milwaukee Brewers. Their ace, the Miz. Nobody beats the Miz. He takes the mound. Colin, crazy stat. He is 12-0 in his last 12 starts with a 2.36 ERA.

16:06 He's not a big innings guy. You're going to get five innings. He's not going to give you seven innings. Well, it's World Series on the line. Do you think he extends it? Maybe a little. I mean, again, that's where analytics and baseball, you get into these closing games, you get into these big games are so situational. You just do what you have to do to get out. But he has not been what he he's not Verlander in his prime or Adam Wainwright, or he's not a big inning guy. They really monitor him.

16:34 Yeah.

16:35 Opponents are batting 205 off him in that span.

16:39 I haven't bet this game. I was going to bet.

16:41 Brewers to bounce brewers are the better team but remember uh red sox yankees one of the worst series i can ever recall yankees up three nothing well lose on a walk-off in game four and the rest is history can the race.

16:53 Last 12 starts ms is 12 and 0 and that's just decent yeah the um i mean milwaukee hit the ball really well last night just at people and they're they're Just no more excuses, folks. 19th highest payroll. And they don't have a hole. They don't have a hole. They're bullpen. I mean, one through nine. These guys take like four and five pitches per at-bat. They grind every at-bat.

17:21 They're grinders.

17:22 Hit, a little bit of power. They run the bases. They just, again, they are a, you don't have to be an advanced scout to watch certain athletic teams and go, yeah, that's different.

17:34 Yeah. All right, let's move to the NFL. Now, this story has flown under the radar a little bit. It's not great, Colin, but the Kansas City Chiefs, a couple of years ago, they drafted Josh Simmons, gifted left tackle, had some problems in college. So according to multiple reporters last Wednesday, Simmons was kicked out of a team meeting by Andy Reid. He apparently put his feet on the desk.

17:55 Reid was like, take him down. And Simmons allegedly was like, oh, I've got my back injury. You know, they say it's good for my feet. And Reid's like, well, if you're hurt, go get training. He's like, no, I'm good. I want to stay here. Patrick Mahomes had to step in and be like, get out. So Rita Mahomes kicked this kid out the next day the team puts.

18:14 Him on IR. I had a discussion yesterday with somebody on this. This is beyond injury. I'm not going to speculate here, but there's a lot of things going on. So this was a late first round pick. When he was drafted, the feeling was, did they get the steal of the draft? Was it late, like 27-ish, somewhere around there? Yeah, and the book was, and Brett Veach has taken some swings on guys. with either character or injury stuff in their background, like some GMs will, some won't. And again, bottom of the first round, there's a reason Simmons, as talented as he is, dropped to the bottom of the first round. And there were, you know, like.

18:57 Multiple teams are like, we're not touching that guy. Well, oh, yeah.

19:00 And Chiefs are like, we'll take a chance. So the Chiefs, again, I'm not making this a big thing. Philadelphia, Jalen Carter had a red flag. They took him. It's worked. So a lot of these GMs, Howie Roseman has taken guys with red flags, and it's worked. But you'd think the Chiefs have a strong culture. The guys would fall in line.

19:15 So now the latest issue, besides Simmons, is the Chiefs have kicking issues. Butker is struggling. And so they want to bring in Justin Tucker. So today, Andy Reid met the media. They're grilling him on Justin Tucker and the reason he left Baltimore and has been out of the league. And the word character comes up because they're looking at Tyreek Hill as a potential replacement.

19:34 They got Rasheed Rice.

19:35 Like, I mean, how many times can you roll the dice with some of these guys who have off field issues, Colin?

19:41 Yeah, I mean, again, if you've got a really strong culture, I think this is one of the situations that happens when. you're really successful and you're drafting in difficult spots at the end of the first round, those end of the first round guys are talented. They're usually dropping because of an injury, because of a little bit of a character.

20:02 You know, it's the great wide receiver who a little bit of a drop issue. If he didn't, he'd be the 12th pick instead of the 28th pick. So, you know, this is.

20:13 Remember, the Rams have had major special teams issues. They fired their kicker. They had the other kicker get hurt.

20:21 There's only one team in this league without an issue. It's the Seahawks. I mean, you could say they need a dependable number two. Cooper Cupps a three at this point. Horton's probably a four. Shahid's a gadget guy. If the Seattle Seahawks had a dependable volume two, they're winning the Super Bowl. Because they've become very JSN dependent. But outside of that, everybody's got a flaw. Kansas City's receiving core is weak. We're a week removed from Sam Darnold is a problem. No, I didn't say that. No, no, not you.

20:55 Other reports.

20:56 You get the ball down seven, fourth quarter, can Sam Darnold pull it off? We're a week removed from that. Let's slow down. Final story is the Rams and those special teams woes.

21:06 They thought they had them fixed.

21:07 Yes, we're running special teams highlights or lowlights from the Raiders Rams. They give up a 36-yard kick return and a 42-yard return later. McVay asked about special teams on Monday, and here's what he said.

21:22 Not good enough.

21:22 And, um, you know, it's, this has been, uh, we've talked about this a lot and it's just gotta get fixed. You know, it's, it's, um, it's not good enough and we cannot allow ourselves to do that.

21:34 I gotta figure that out.

21:35 You know, hopefully I'm, you know, it's one of those deals that it's driving me crazy. So we gotta, we gotta figure it out.

21:43 When the Patriots dynasty, they always had good special teams. But the Patriots did not play a lot. Brady was not top of the market for quarterback pay. So what the Patriots did is they just spread their money around. So they didn't have any holes. But they would let really good players go. So the Rams are the opposite.

22:03 They paid Devontae. They paid Stafford. They moved off Verst. They paid Miles Garrett. They went and paid for Trent McDuffie. So the Rams have a luxury team. roster at the top. Well, what does that do? You get very thin on the back end. What is the back end? It's special teams. It's return guys. So New England's dynasty was largely built on, hey, Tom's taking a pay cut. You need to take one.

22:29 And what that allows is New England had great punt and kick. How many times do you remember a kickoff taken back against Belichick's Patriots or a punt taken back. So they kind of spread it around because Brady was young and in his prime, he knew he'd make money on the back end. Well, Stafford now needs the money because he's retiring soon and it's going to dry up.

22:54 He's not going to do TV. It's not his personality. So I think what you have with the Rams is a top-heavy team. They're thin on the bottom. It's a little star-heavy. And where you see the problem is here. It's not going to get corrected now.

23:10 Well, let me ask. I know this is going to rub some people the wrong way. I'm surprised McVay's not going to ask this. The Rams had the 13th pick in the draft.

23:18 They chose a.

23:19 Backup quarterback who has yet to play a snap. I don't even know if he's been active. Through seven weeks. You don't think they could have used that pick on someone who is a defender who's also contributing to special teams? Or a wide receiver?

23:31 A guy taken there is not a special teams guy. Well, I mean, Makai Lemon went 20th.

23:36 Malachi Lawrence, Casey Concepcion, Sadiq, the Jets tight end who's been okay.

23:41 I'm not doubting any of them, but it's a quarterback league. And by the way, look at this year's quarterback class. It's falling. And the Rams are like, all right. We're going to get ahead by a year. We're going to get ahead of everybody. I just recently in Chicago, I spent the weekend with a friend whose son played college football as a quarterback. And he went to all these camps for six years with all these quarterbacks. You're now watching.

24:13 And we're just drafted. And he said Ty Simpson was out of this world good. So the Rams whole take was just let's just get ahead of this quarterback thing. Okay, well, what about winning a Super Bowl now? I want to win now. You're going to tell me that player who drafted there would win you a Super Bowl? They traded one of their number one first-round picks for Trent McDuffie.

24:33 So the idea, they had two, and they got a Pro Bowl corner with one of the picks.

24:40 At the time, it felt like, hey, that's a smart pick. But McVay, in the moment, was upset. I know he walked it back the next day.

24:46 By the way, let's say you get Concepcion or whoever with that pick. Okay, that helps your returns. They can't kick field goals. They can't defend punts. It's not just returns. It's all bad. I know, but Devontae's now down six to ten weeks. Puka, injured, concussed. I don't know, man.

25:06 I just look back at that pick, and we were on different sides in that one.

25:09 It's fine.

25:10 I like getting ahead of problems, not forced to overcompensate later for problems, so I defended it. It doesn't matter if it's taxes. It doesn't matter if it's family issues. Let's get ahead of, you know, our kids going to college. Let's invest now because we won't be able to afford it. I don't want to wake up and go, oh, I got to go in debt because my kids are going to college. Ram said, we look at Simpson as the second or third best quarterback over the next two years.

25:42 Let's just get him now. So, J-Mac with the news.

25:47 Well, that's the news.

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26:24 You seen these John Madden movie trailers? I, uh, I have. It's awful. Well, it's a trailer. Well, I mean, John Madden is known for two things, his size and his voice. He had a very distinctive voice. Well, Nick Cage has the size down. But if you're doing a character who's known for his voice, you got to be close on the voice, don't you? If you're doing a British guy, you have a little bit, you know. Oh, look at you, a little British accent there. Well, I mean, if somebody is known for a distinctive voice and a distinctive sound, you want to get that right. So is this another sports movie you will not watch? I don't like sports movies.

27:03 That is insane. Well, I mean, they're almost all out. Hoosiers was good. We need to make a wager. Moneyball was great. Where if I win, you have to watch a sports movie with me. You must. I would probably pick Remember the Titans. There's been four good ones ever.

27:16 Four good sports movies.

27:18 That is the hottest take you've had in the history of the herd. Miracle, Hoosiers, Money. Miracle's a great movie?

27:23 That's a real thing that happened. I want unique, interesting stories.

27:28 So is the Titanic. Does that not make it a movie? Actually, remember the Titans is real. Like Rocky. That's an amazing movie. Is that not a good sports movie? Yeah, Rocky was great. Rocky 4? Slow down. Rocky 1. I don't need the second, third.

27:44 Ivan Dragon?

27:45 Rocky 1. Hoosiers. Moneyball. We can argue about Miracle. I like the speech in the locker room. But three are great. Hoosiers. Moneyball. Rocky. Those are great. All this stuff about, you know, the natural.

27:58 The natural is good.

28:01 It's fun.

28:03 You are a harsh critic.

28:05 Did you almost be a movie critic before you became a sports guy?

28:08 No.

28:08 I just released my 35 favorite movies. Yeah, I know. It went over badly. Well, it went over well for people who understand cinema. Oh, yeah. What was that one movie you.

28:18 Had that I'd never heard of that was like top 30?

28:21 Some insanity. I don't know.

28:23 I'm sorry.

28:23 I look past it because, you know, we're friendly.

28:25 I don't want to judge you based on your movie takes because I lost a little respect.

28:32 Argo is a real story. That's a great movie. Yeah, it's one of my top five movies I've ever seen. Spotlight's a real story. Yeah, what's that, Boston Globe? Spotlight's my second favorite movie of all time. All time? Oh, I think it's– I've seen it six, seven times. I think the acting is Rufino– I think the acting's spectacular.

28:52 You have interesting taste.

28:54 I like conflict. I like dark stuff. I'm not into escapism. I'm not into wizards and stuff. Escape what? I got a great life. I don't want to escape it. I don't like Dark Knight, Batman versus Bane. Again, make-believe. I'm not interested. I like stuff that's real. Spotlight, Argo, Casino. I could have been in a casino, by the way.

29:12 I was a local news anchor, and there's four people I work with that were in the movie, but I was covering the rebels who were like in Final Fours and stuff. Larry Johnson or mobsters. That's a tough call. I once had dinner next to a mobster. I did not go to the bathroom for two hours.

29:28 You avoided eye contact as well?

29:29 I stayed out of the can. You don't know what those guys do there. Shiv, I've got to be very careful. All right, here's the NFL schedule for this week, and I always ask you for a big upset. now last week it's it's interesting You never quite know it. Now, we know Monday Bear Seahawks is great. That goes without saying.

29:48 You know, it's funny. You see Philadelphia against Washington Sunday night. Yeah, Philadelphia got scheduled for so many big games. Now they're unwatchable.

29:56 By the way, Washington off a bye, Philly off Monday night. It's probably baked in the line, but Washington's like five.

30:01 And a half. That's a lot. Let me throw a game at you that is Minnesota-Detroit. Now, everybody's like, well, Minnesota, it's going to run out here. What if Minnesota goes with that defense? So Goff doesn't throw picks. He's about due. So I think Minnesota-Detroit's a really good early window. That's a great game.

30:22 It's probably a stay away from a betting standpoint.

30:24 Some news.

30:25 Jamar Chase not at practice today. They haven't seen him in the early portion of practice. They are huge favorites against the Tennessee Titans. And some of these advanced stats looking at efficiency opponents say the Bengals have one of the easiest schedules left, Colin. This is a team that could win 12 games and capture the number one seed in the AFC. Are you buying Bengals as like major riser?

30:46 I need to see him put it on the Titans. Pick your upset right now. Pick your upset. Oh, my gosh.

30:52 I don't want to do this.

30:55 But the model is telling me the Cleveland Browns. I cannot believe I'm saying this.

30:59 No, I think you're right.

31:00 In the second meeting with the Steelers. All the analytics for the Browns are better than Pittsburgh.

31:04 There's no question. They have better offensive weapons.

31:08 Pittsburgh off the Paris trip. There are some numbers. Teams coming back from Europe the next week.

31:12 I think Cleveland over Pittsburgh is my upset. That's crazy. What's the other one? Look at this. The Chargers could go 0-7 against the Rams. They probably will, regardless of what side you like. I think that's the game. If they go 0-7, they start moving people. So the Colts moved two people yesterday. I think the Chargers start moving people.

31:36 Because the Chargers roster, it appears, is not as good as we thought. And if you compare it in division to Denver, it's not close.

31:43 The problem is it's similar to what they had last year. So why could Herbert elevate them last year to 11 wins? And now you add McDaniel and you're zero.

31:52 Something's wrong.

31:54 Miami, big underdog at home in that Florida heat. Against the Patriots. Any interest in taking the touchdown there?

32:02 No, New England gets extra time because they played on Thursday and they lost. So I think New England will destroy Miami.

32:09 Destroy?

32:10 I think they win by two touchdowns.

32:12 It's a tough slate. There's a lot of coin flip games. I think Bills, Ravens, maybe?

32:17 Anything there? Well, we don't know if Lamar's playing. I have no idea.

32:21 Forgot about that guy. Bears-Seahawks is the game of the week, though.

32:26 I think Minnesota-Detroit will end up being a really good watch. That'll be an excellent watch. You're going to have the best skill position players in the league. Detroit stacked against the best defensive coordinator. If it was in Minnesota, I'd probably take the Vikings. It's in Detroit. That feels like one of the last places. Fast track.

32:46 That Jets-Raiders game, I know it's really at the front of your brain right now. Jets-Raiders.

32:52 Will we see Mendoza in that one?

32:54 And do the Jets start selling off pieces if they lose?

32:57 Remember, Brees Hall almost went at the deadline last year. They have a lot of young players they like. I don't think the Jets are sellers. I think they like their guys.