ACOTAR: Stryga Deep Dive | Eating Life, Weaving Looms, Throne of Glass ties, and more!

0:00 What would Striga look like if she was no longer confined to this cottage, if she was no longer diminished, if she was returned to her full power and she wanted to like take on a faith form? I think she would probably look like this. I do think she could still be alive, and I do think she could just be.

0:31 OK, tell me more about the show that I'm not watching that you've now told me everything about. I'm telling our listeners all right. And I'm just. Here I was listening to our Christmas episode, this our holiday episode this morning and I realized that I said on the holiday episode that I did not like heated rivalry. And I realized we are now on day three in a row of podcasting and that yesterday we talked about heated rivalry and I walked it back a little and I said, actually it's getting better. I want to go on record and say actually Heated Rivalry is very very, very good and you should definitely watch it. I watched, I watched all the available episodes last night which is out to episode 5 and it

1:08 was wonderful. Episode 5 is so so good. And I saw a stat this morning that there are only two show 2 episodes in existence that have achieved 10 out of 10 ratings on IMDb. One of them being this episode of Heated Drive Over. The other is Ozymandias from Breaking Bad, which is possibly like the best episode television ever. Yeah, ever.

1:32 Yeah. I mean, bring that as a phenomenal show. So if you if you get the chance, Ron, if you get the chance, to our listeners, it's only 6 episodes. It's on HBO Max. I highly recommend watching Heated Rivalry. It's turned into something really good. It didn't start. It didn't start great, I'll admit that. But it has turned into something really good. And I want to walk back my previous comments about it not being good.

1:54 So I just wanted to go on the record for that. That's all I have to say about that. I know you're not watching it. I'm sorry. I hope that you do. I will give it a shot when I have. But do not give it a shot when you're with parents. This isn't this isn't this is a not watch with parents show. Don't watch with parents.

2:11 Got it. So do not suggest what I'm at my in laws house. Yes, that's what I was. Trying to understood. Understood. Yes, but anyway. All right, well, you've heard it here first. Heated rivalry, rough start, good ending. Gets better, gets much better. Is it like is it out or is it still coming out?

2:32 It's coming out new episodes every week, but as of today, all but one episode has been released. So by the time this releases, it will have been out for many weeks. OK, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to watch television. Not really doing very much of that. I feel like I started. I've only started recently.

2:49 I. Feel like we were watching something last night that I promptly stopped paying attention to almost immediately. Fuck, what was it? I really have no idea. I mean, I was reading while we were watching it so I was not paying attention to the show at all, but it was loudly anxiety inducing and I was stressed about it. It was the wire.

3:11 It was the wire. Yeah, which I have stressed you about. O'Connor has not. Yeah. So he was like, should we watch The Wire? I was like, sure. And he was like, I haven't seen it. I was like, well, that's crazy. Like yeah, you should. Turn it on. Yeah. Great show. I mean, yeah, we'll leave it there. I just don't love that.

3:29 The, like, largest representation of the city of Baltimore is The Wire, which portrays it as a largely in a negative light, even though the creator I think is from there. Like, it definitely deals with the worst aspects of Baltimore. And I think Baltimore is a great city and has a lot to offer. So that's my beef with The Wire. It's not a bad show.

3:49 It's not a bad show. And for listeners, the two of us have both spent a lot of time in Baltimore. Yeah. And Baltimore has a lot to say for itself as a city. Like, I think there's a lot of art there. It's very anybody who's listening from Baltimore will laugh at this statement. But it is very charming. It is very, very charming.

4:08 It's got a nice waterfront. There's a lot of. There's a lot to love in Baltimore, yeah. I hear what you're saying, but I also think that it it is a very. Real part of Baltimore for sure, for sure, for sure. And I only watched the first two seasons, I think I didn't. I didn't even finish it so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

4:25 So anyways, we watched The Wire last night and by that I mean I read Alchemist welcome. I literally just before this and for everybody who's listening right now, this, we are recording this on December 23rd. I did my first two hours of Christmas shopping of this of this season so bad I'm so I on.

4:45 Everything so we cut that we did. We decided not to do this for our our holiday special, but we at once one point had a question in there that says your craziest Christmas traditions. I used to go Christmas shopping on December 24th at 7:00 AM Christmas Eve, Christmas shopping, great. But that was when I started, That was when I started Christmas shopping.

5:03 Like that's just what we did. We went to the ball and that's what we got our gifts. Because my mom, apparently this all started when I was like 4 years old because my mom desperately wanted me out of the house so my dad would take us Christmas shopping. So like when I see ads for like last minute Christmas shopping on like December 15th, I'm like, what are you talking about? You have so much time.

5:22 So much time. So much time, yeah, yeah. Which is. To be clear, like with my immediate family, like my parents and sister, that is still the norm because we've all just decided, like, we're like, this is the way, right? Like, at this point, we've all been friends for, you know, 25 to 30 years at this point, depending on which sibling you are.

5:46 So that's just what we're doing. But when you're going to somebody's house, that's not your family. Yeah, it's not as easy. We can't all just go out on Christmas Eve and go shopping for each other's gifts on Christmas Eve. So I had to go one day before Christmas Eve this year and get gifts for people.

6:05 Yeah, it's always a whole new level to the holidays when you added just like another family and you're like, what kind of gift givers kind of gift givers are you? What kind of divers are you? What? Kind of gift receivers are you like? What do you even like? Are you impossible to shop for? So yeah, Christmas shopping happened today.

6:23 Oh, my God. My uncle has ferrets. I don't know if I've told you this. My uncle rescues ferrets. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know. But they're so cute. Ferrets. Ferrets. Ferrets don't believe Rudy Giuliani. They're wonderful animals. They're so cute ferrets. They're just like little dogs. And we were at the pet store because I did I tell you this? My sister got a cat.

6:41 I did not know she got a cat, but my sister. Yeah, she got a cat. Her name is Lola. We love her. She's already. Yeah, with the family, obviously. But we were at the pet store to get something for Lola for Christmas and I saw this little ferret walking harness. Like you put it on your ferret to take it for wise.

6:57 I'm like, I I have two ferrets walk. OK, well, that's we're gonna find out. I don't know. I'm gonna give it to them and see if they want and see if they can get one of their ferrets to walk. But the problem is they don't have one ferret. They have like 7 ferrets at all times because they rescue them. So like, they're just gonna have to choose which one their Dave or walk.

7:14 I guess so. Like not to be I've. I feel like I'm going to sound obtuse saying this, but I'm picturing the anatomy of a ferret. Like how effective is a leash? Like can they just shrug out, I don't know, bleach? I don't know. We'll see all. Right. Like one oblong. I know, I know. It seemed like they could slither out all right with that.

7:35 Hi, I'm Abby. I'm Ronnie. This is Dragons of the Detail for we pick apart our favorite fantasy series over the course of an undetermined number of episodes. I believe we're in our high 40s for episodes, which I'm fucking flabbergasted by. I don't know how that happened, but we're almost at 50 guys.

7:54 We are currently covering A Court of Thorns and Roses. The series also known as ACOTAR by Sarah J Mass Disclaimer These episodes will contain spoilers for the entire ACOTAR series. We will announce any other Mass for spoilers ahead of time and we keep them to the second-half. Disclaimer, this podcast is rated R. Do not listen with your children. These are spicy books.

8:17 We curse like sailors. You guys know this by now. Each week typically we dive into a specific topic in depth. This week we are digging into Prythian's craziest spinster. I thought you were. I thought you wrote spinner. I was like, spinner makes sense, but spinster makes sense too. The Weaver of the Wood AKA Strega come with receipts.

8:36 We will have quotes to back up any theory so you can follow along if you're skeptical. Ronnie, do you want to do announcements? Yes, deep dive music brought to you by Schwidley. I'm not going to spell it because you guys know by now Schwidley real artist. Check them out on Spotify. If you like our deep dive music, if you like our episodes and our content like comment subscribe on whatever platform you listen on.

8:57 It helps us out a lot. We are a small podcast, but we are trying to grow. Appreciate you for doing that. And we're just going to plug the mass first. Read the mass first. That's all. That's all I got. Anything else? Nope. We've been we've been recording for three days in a row but nothing has come up in the last 24 hours. And the 23rd.

9:17 Yeah. So. So that's all we've got back to you. That's all we got. All right, fun question. Oh, no, sorry. Corrections, omissions, social media shoutouts. Do we have any for ACUTAR only? I have a couple, the first. These are all social media shoutouts, no corrections or omissions. Acutar only for this. Week.

9:34 The first shout out is from Munchie on TikTok. This was on our video about basically the conundrum that is the great right and like what's going on there and does the Night Court have a great right basically? So we've had a couple shout outs on this already, but basically Munchie commented, I've seen theories that it's actually the blood right in the Night Court. We've had a bunch of comments about this, but I think Munchie brought up a Group A great point. Specifically, why else would you agree to killing off part of your strongest fighting force if it didn't and have a greater purpose?

10:05 I think this is a really good point that I've never really considered. The blood right effectively crops the Illyrian army, so it does feel quite sacrificial and it's not something that I had previously considered. Does feels pretty sinister, doesn't it? Feels a little bit sinister, feels like it could have broader implications that maybe we can talk about at another time.

10:28 But I think it's a good point. Maybe that is some sacrificial right associated with the Night Court. Maybe it doesn't always have to do with the High Lord necessarily. Maybe that's a part that Lucian got wrong because he just doesn't know that much about other courts. I think it's a good point, Munchie. So that was one.

10:45 Thank you, Munchie. Thank you, Betchie. And then there was a second one from AJ Thurlow on YouTube. We got a comment. There is a Greek God of the West wind called Zephyrus and according to Wikipedia is associated with flowers, procreation, and springtime. I thought these comments were fun together because one Greek out of West wind, I didn't know that.

11:08 So that could be interesting in that it could link Merrill, who we've talked about descended from Lord of the Western Wind, Wind Robeth, which we've never heard of in our entire lives, to Tamlin and the Spring Corps potentially, which we had not considered. Well, no, we did a little bit because Tamlin has that wind power.

11:28 We did a little bit, yes, Tamlin has the wind power, so we she could be linked to Tamlin, but she's not exactly flowery in the spring. Timing I suppose is more what what what I was getting at. But I also think it's interesting to think about. Frankly, I should have thought about this earlier. This whole concept of the great right being tied to like your court spring is tied to procreation. So if the great right is tied to like what your magic is related to, maybe not every great right is about intercourse. It's pretty bleak when you start to think about winter though. Like what's that one?

12:05 Death. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same with night. I think that's interesting. Yeah. So. Thank you, AJ Thurlow for that one. Maybe she'll come back to it. Maybe she being Sarah, maybe she won't. We'll see. But. Yeah, it's interesting. It's one of those things where, you know, you think at least I thought like it's that guitar, like it's Court of Thorns and Roses was your first book of the series.

12:28 Like maybe she was just throwing things out there and then, like, not coming back to all of them. But I forget that like she already was through so much of Throne of Glass and she did not really leave that much. Out that she didn't come back to you and throw out a glass. So I'm like how much of us if you really not coming back to right.

12:44 I think that we I think it's again, it's hard to find what she's actually said, but I've read that she has said that we're getting a Tamlin story again at some point, right. So I think we are going to go back to some of these things that we haven't really talked about since Book 1. I know somebody's got to start like one of those, you know, that Twitter account that like follows Taylor Swift's jet.

13:08 We need that for Sarah because I cannot keep track of where this woman is interviewing and what she is saying. It's just like someone is like, oh, she said this in an interview. I'm like, where? Yeah, where? What did she say and when? Yeah, I can't find anything except like a Reddit post about it. My God, did I tell you?

13:26 I think I've told you this and it's kind of mass first, but I'm not going to go into detail, so it's not spoilers, but there's been like this rumor going around for a while that Sarah J Maas said that Reese is the most powerful man or male basically character in the mass verse. Like she has gone on record of saying that. And so I was like, all right, I want to dig a little deeper because we have other powerful characters in the mass verse, like is it really Reese?

13:47 So I'm like, I want to dig a little deeper here. The closest thing I could find was a video of her being interviewed by some little like rinky dink like not even BuzzFeed, but like BuzzFeed esque. I don't know. It was like it was like clearly like a lifestyle like type puppies. And the question was, if you were in a zombie apocalypse, which one of your characters would you want to be with you?

14:10 And she said Reese and because he could like control their minds, that was the answer that she gave. And I believe that that has spiraled into Reese is the most powerful character in the masters. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. That's just what I so I don't know guys. All right, I mean. Maybe not OK or OK.

14:33 All right, Any other cosms? Cool. I do have one I want to shout out. Let me see if I can still get it because it was posted on a story from what Taylor's reading, and Taylor is a frequent listener. So shout out to Taylor. Hold on. All right, so this is Taylor's what Taylor dot is reading. S reading what? Dale what Taylor Dot's reading.

14:54 They made a meme of us, which I loved, and I it's on their story. I don't think it's up anymore, but it's April Ludgate from Parks and Rec. Did you see this? I feel like I saw it. Is it still on our story? Yeah. Hold on. I got it. Yeah, All right. It was a it was right after our library episode came out. I was talking.

15:12 About word for word what we said. We feel about Meryl, and it's April Ludgate from Parks and Rec saying she's the worst person I've ever met. I want to travel the world, which is, I think, exactly how we feel about. Yeah, Meryl. So Taylor, I got a nice little chuckle from that. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening and memeing about us. We totally love it.

15:34 She's terrible. I love her. She's terrible. Could grow to love, certainly. All right. I think that's it for Cosms for this week. All right, fun question, Ron, but this is an interesting one. If you had to pick up some Fordham of knitting, crochet, needlepoint, etcetera, what would you pick up? That's because we're doing the Weaver. That's why we're doing the Weaver. OK.

15:59 What is your preferred form of textile arts, Ronnie? So recently I discovered the concept of needlepoint, and I'm very intrigued. I might even honestly order a starter kit. So I suppose that because of that, my answer might be needlepoint. I like the look of it, I like the belts, I like the key chains. I think it looks very fun.

16:18 Realistically though, I think I'd really like to just learn, like practically speaking, to sew so that I could repair my own things. Do you know that I used to take sewing classes that I like? Grew up sewing as a child. I did not know that. Yes, my mom used to take me to sewing classes. I don't think I have any of the skills left. Well, first of all, do you really need to learn how to like, yes, there are some things you need to learn how to sew, but like, it's a sewing machine.

16:42 You put your foot down, you put the thread through the bobbin, and then you set up the machine, and then you put your foot down and you sew. But yeah, I took sewing classes. That's the end of that story. Yeah, but I want to be able to like, repair holes in my stuff without a sewing machine. That's catching how to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:03 I think that's a good life skill to have. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think that's my good one. What about you? I wouldn't mind knitting I guess. I guess that's my answer. Knitting seems like fun. It'd be fun to be able to make my own scarves and sweaters and whatnot. This is kind of another social media shout out. There's this guy called this one over here on Instagram and he does Sunday show and tells, which I love where like I guess his followers just send him pictures of stuff. And this woman I guess went on a safari or went somewhere in Africa, I don't know.

17:36 But she brought back all these like really beautiful, like hand carved like meerkat dolls basically that she has on her Mantel place. But she she knits them little scarves and hats for each holiday. So they were like decked out at all this holiday. And I'm like, that would be really cute. I would love to be able. To do that, yes.

17:54 Yes. So my answer is knitting. OK, great. All right, knitting. All right. Shall we deep dive? Let's deep dive. Ronnie, what are Shriga's powers? Yes OK so let's start with the obvious. She seems to be able to turn living beings into fiber and weave them into stuff. Farrah goes to see the Weaver twice.

18:22 The first time is in Akimath when re Censor in there to go get her own wedding ring, which is hilarious but insane. And the second is in Akawar when she lures Ianthi in there to kill her basically. And during the first, the first instance when Farrah's sneaking around in the Weaver's home, she sees her weaving and she says thanks.

18:44 The fiber she fed into the wheel was white, soft, like wool. But I knew in that lingering human part of me, it was not wool. I knew that I did not want to learn what creature it had come from, who she was spinning into thread. So the Weaver spins and weaves. There is spinning day, and there is weaving day on the loom.

19:04 Farrah had come on spinning day, she notes. Come on spinning day. Would she have been singing? We'll get to the singing if I had come on weaving day instead from the strange fear drenched scent that came from those bolts of fabric, I already knew the answer. So she can smell right? Like she can scent the fear on the fabric. So we know that this is living essence of fiber. So how how she is turning these bodies, these corpses effectively into fiber and weaving them into fabric unclear, but she's doing it.

19:37 This is one of her powers. She also seems to she seems to eat people or consume people to remain youthful. And there's a couple quotes that we have for that when Pharah sees the weavers face in Akor before I Anthe is lured into the cottage right She saw the horrible face of the Weaver, the mouth of stumped teeth opening wide with delight and unholy hunger. A death God of old star for life with a beautiful priestess before her.

20:07 So this Weaver that she's seeing is hungry, starved, horrible looking, not beautiful in Acor chapter 73 after the Weaver has been. Breed, eating, zooming, lots of life, Era says the Weaver had done done her job well. Key guards and posts were little more than wet red piles of bone and sinu. And I knew that when I saw her again she would be even more blindingly beautiful.

20:31 So we have the Weaver becoming more and more beautiful the more life that she consumes. Yeah, I, I mean, I think the first time we meet her, she has beautiful parts of her, but parts of her are still like her. Her skin is Gray, her eyes are like rotted out of their sockets. Her teeth are stumps. I still think it works with what you said, but I don't know if it's just like beautiful not beautiful beautiful. Yeah, so she eats, she eats life to remain youthful. She consumes life to remain youthful. That's how she is beautiful.

20:59 She can smell specific people, so. So she has a really good sense of smell. It seems in Akwar chapter 60, she notes, you have seen my twin the Weaver has softly with a hint of wonder. I smell him on you. So she specifically smells the bone Carver on Pharaoh. So similar to similar to the bone Carver, which is unsurprising given their twins.

21:20 She has a really good sense of smell and then also similar to the bone Carver and it's again, they're kind of lumped together in this power. She and the bone Carver both drain people. So when they're fighting on behalf of of Reese and and the Night Court in the war against Hyburn, they leave bodies as husks, right?

21:37 Bodies fell before them. Bodies were left in their wake. Some mere husks encased in armor drained by the Carver and Striga. Some fled from what they beheld. And re Axis, we've already, we read this in our broncover episode last week, and Striga shredded through Hyburn in a tangle of black hair and white limbs.

21:56 So she's able to drain people. We don't have as clear of a description as we have with the bone curve or where he's got his scimitar of bone and kind of just like, breathes death over these people, seemingly. But she definitely can. She definitely can't drain people. And she seems a little bit more like vulgar, if that makes sense, in her mode of consumption.

22:15 Like one mouth just like, rips into people. Yeah. Like a beast. Almost like she just, she eats people. She eats people, Yeah, she gets people. She rips into them with her teeth and smiles at Pharaoh with bloody, bloody teeth, bloody mouth. It's very yeah, I do the best words. I think it's worth going into that a little more because we never actually like see her eat people.

22:40 You kind of have to infer it based off like what we're told. So the quotes we kind of have for that. The bone Carver literally tells us that she eats life itself. So what we have, and this is Missive Fury chapter 23. He's talking about his siblings. He says they are death gods. Girl, the Carver hissed. You are immortal or long lived enough to seem that way. But my siblings and I, we are different and the two of them stronger.

23:04 So much stronger than I ever was. My sister, she found a way to eat life itself, to stay young and beautiful forever thanks to the live she steals. So we have the Carver telling us she literally eats life and and then the first time we meet her in Akama chapter 21. So this is actually even before the bone Carver has told us that she eats life, that the description we get of her is above her young supple body beneath her black beautiful hair. Her skin was Gray, wrinkled and sagging and dry, and where I should have gleamed instead lay rotting black pits. Her lips had withered to nothing but deep dark lines around a hole full of jagged stumps of teeth, like she had gnawed on too many bones.

23:44 Right. So we have him. We have the Carver saying she eats life itself. And then we have her teeth are jagged stumps. Like she's been gnawing on too many bones. But like, we both think that she's actually gnawing on these bones, right? She's actually eating people to stay young. That's what she's doing.

24:00 Yeah. Cool. Yep, she needs people to stay young, which we don't have. It's interesting, right? Because she and the Bone Curver are twins. But the Bone Curver doesn't seem to have to do this. Right, right, right. Why? Why does she age? Is it part of the curse? Basically? Is it because she's confined to the middle that she has to age?

24:19 I mean, we've talked about this, the bone Carver, whatever it was, he wasn't like confined by the ancient fake warrior, right? Only his siblings were. So like, is she aging because of that? I don't know. That's a jump into theory. But well yeah, and I don't know cuz their bargain was that the containment spell was broken.

24:38 So I don't know why that would still continue to like take effect if their bargain being her and Reese's bargain, her and Reese's bargain was the Helion broke the containment spell and that's why she fought for them. So if that containment spell was broken, I guess we don't really know because she just was beautiful during the battle. Because.

24:54 Right. Because she was just consuming eaten Nianti. Yeah, well, she had eaten Nianti, but then also she was like eating soldiers. So. Yeah. She would have looked beautiful anyways, right? But I don't know. Yeah, keep going. Keep going. I don't know. I don't know if the husk desiccation that we get because the bone Carver does it too, as you the same as her eating people to stay young. I'm not sure that those are the same, but she definitely does both of them.

25:22 And she has this loom that she weaves and these are all different things. Yeah. These are all different things, and I think that's the part that the part that's confusing is that she eats people to stay young, but then she also has fiber of people to weave into this loom. So the husks and the fiber together makes sense, right, Because she's draining them dry and then she has the fiber for the husks.

25:43 It would make sense if she's just drinking their blood. Like that would make sense. Maybe she's just doing that. Maybe that's all she's doing. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. It's kind of unclear. Yeah. So. OK, other power. So this isn't really a power, but I think it's interesting and kind of noteworthy. Reese notes that she is the top of the food chain in her forest, right?

26:06 So she like no one, no one is hunting her. She is hunting everybody else. And I take that to mean that anything else in her forest, at least in that forest in the middle, is more powerful than her. So she's pretty powerful. And then she can sing. I don't think that this is necessarily necessarily a power, but her voice is very beautiful and in kind of like antithesis of everything else that she is doing.

26:33 And it's described as almost like a like a lure. Her whole her whole college is described almost as a lure, right? And it kind of reminds you of the mention of a light singer. Like I don't think she is a light singer, but it has the same notes, right? Her voice sweet and beautiful, like sunlight on a stream.

26:50 She sang in a voice of glittering gold. So she is like a terrifying creature that will RIP you from limb and then weave you into a loom. However, she is singing beautifully in an acquaint little cottage that is inviting you in and looks like a place that you might stop for a drink of water. Yeah, I think Fair even has a line about the well-being allure, like the like the the buckets right there or something. Yeah, Yeah, she does.

27:13 Yeah, that is all I had for her powers. Did you have anything else? Yeah, I had some things that weren't necessarily powers, but I couldn't fit them really anywhere else power wise. I want to go back to what you've said about the middle and her being the kind of ruler of it. Where are my notes for that? Yeah, So what I think is interesting about that, and you might have read this quote, you're totally right on this. So the forest, Reese went on, is on the eastern edge of that neutral territory.

27:44 Here there is no high Lord. Here. The law is made by who is strongest, meanest, most cutting. And the Weaver of the wood is at the top of their food chain. That's in Akima chapter 20. What I think is interesting about that is that second time that she goes back to the Weaver when she's looking for the cereal and finds the cereal in the middle.

28:02 By the way, why is the cereal in the middle? Why is the cereal so close to the weaver's cottage? I think that's a huge question. I don't have an answer for it, but I kept coming back to it. When she's running away to go to the Weaver to set the trap for I Anthe. What she says is I opened my senses, letting them lead the way. The forest did the rest.

28:20 Perhaps she was waiting for me. Perhaps she had ordered the woods to open a path so she can literally, I think, control these woods. And like, it seems like she knows what's going on in the middle around her basically, right? Like, she knows that Pharaoh's coming to her. She's kind of helping Pharaoh.

28:37 She's helping herself, too, because she's going to presumably get Ianthe out of this deal. But like, she seems to be literally controlling the middle, which I think is really interesting when you think about everything that has happened in the middle. I mean, Amarantha was there, right? And there's other stuff that has happened in the middle.

28:56 So I think this is an interesting point that we should keep in mind A couple other things just about her powers in general. What we see of her and ACOTAR in the series is her power diminished, right? We we know that because we're going back to the quotes about the ancient fake warrior. But what the bone Carver tells us in mist and fury chapter 23 is had I been braver, I might have fighted my time waited for their power to fade for that long ago fake warrior to trick Striga into diminishing her power and becoming confined to the middle right.

29:28 So her power is diminished and she is confined and even kind of what when in AKA war at the end, she's we get such little like page time with her that it's kind of hard to know what the full extent of her powers would be. I think in my opinion, we also get kind of conflicting information about that confinement told no high Lords can touch her. We're told the quote for that is in this is Miss and Fury chapter 19.

29:54 Because the Weaver knows me and if I'm caught there would be a steep price. This is Reese talking. High Lords are not to interfere with her, no matter the direness of the situation. There are many treasures in her horde, some she has kept for millennia. And then in Akawar, obviously he interferes with her, right?

30:09 He makes a bargain with her, he sends helium to make a bargain with her. Like we're told, high Lords are not supposed to fuck with her. And then he fucks with her. So it seems like that's kind of a Lucy. Mother High Lord, to do it like he. Sends and. You're sending someone, but then like you send the High Lord. Right.

30:24 If anything, send Pharaoh. But not a. High Lord, Yeah, right. So that seems a little, I don't know about that one. And then? I kind of think he just said that to like get Farrah to go get his ring. Oh, he was trying to trick her. I think that makes sense too. That could totally be it. Yeah, I want to. I want to mention one other interesting thing here, kind of getting back to that cereal, that cereal. The cereal when when Farrah goes back to the bone Carver after she's visited the visited the Weaver. What he says is I smell my sister on you, curse breaker. My mouth went dry.

31:00 His sister. Did you steal from her? Did she weave a thread of your life into her loom? That's Aquar. Chapter 22 And I don't think I wrote this quote down, but I think I've read enough times that I remember it. When Farrah finds the cereal in the middle near the weaver's cottage, she asked him about the bone Carver and he's and the cereal says, I can't see him.

31:22 His thread has not been woven in right. So like, what is this loom? Is the cereal like reading this loom? Like why is he so close to the weaver's? Why is it so close to the weaver's cottage? How does the cereal see the future? Are they buddy buddies? We don't really know the details of what this loom is.

31:41 It seems to just be body parts. But like, what is it? You know, like, like where does it come from? What can you do with it? Or is that just a nice turn of phrase that she likes? And the last thing I'll add here, and this is not really a power thing. The king of Hybrid calls her a queen. We talked about this at length and our more episode.

31:59 I know I didn't catch this until we were prepping for this episode. There is a tarnished crown of Ruby and Jasper among her possessions. Was this her crown? Like was she literally a queen at one time or did she steal it from somewhere else? That's totally possible, but I think it's interesting the idea that she was a queen. She also says to him you may bow king as it was once done. Does she literally mean he used to bow to her or that the kings used to bow to her?

32:28 We know there used to be a high king of Prythian but that was 15,000 years ago right? So like once again, like how old is she? What are these death gods? What was she, if she was a queen, that the kings bowed to like? Yeah, and the bone Carver does nothing with the Queen, as my sister once was.

32:47 The bone Carver does say that. Yeah. Shrieka was a queen of something at one point. We just don't know of what. Yeah, we just don't know what. Yes. Last thing I'll add here again, not really power, but just to call out she when she bleeds, her blood is black. We have two other characters in this world whose blood is black. One is the surreal, who we have discussed at life in this little intro, and the other is Lamphus, Right. We don't see the Bone Carver bleed. We don't know what color his blood is. We haven't seen Koche bleed yet.

33:17 We don't know if they all bleed black, but we know for sure Lampus and the cereal are bleeding black. So what's her tie to them? We don't know. Yes. The only other thing about the unnaturally good sense of smell is that she smells the Cauldron, which I think is fucking hilarious. I'm like, how do you fucking smell the cauldron?

33:34 What does it smell like? Yeah, Yeah. And the quote for that is, and this is in Aqua chapter 70, I assume we'll be following the path of bodies. Amber and muttered to me. How does the Weaver know how to find the cauldron? We seem to be listening even as we turned away, his fingers brushing mine in silent farewell. I just said because she appears to have an unnaturally good sense of smell.

33:55 What? I guess it's not the most reliable source that it is truly smell that that that is. Not be a cauldron, right? It might not be right. Especially if she has this, this historical connection to whatever line the king of Highborn. Yeah, has, yeah. I mean, it's interesting, right, that the the the two beings that have referenced Striga being the queen are the bone Carver and the King of Highburn and.

34:19 Herself, she says you may bow, you know. Yeah. But I'm assume, like, if they're referencing her as a queen, she's got to know. She knows that she was a queen. She's aware. Yeah. But it doesn't give weight to like we talked about in the last episode how? And I think we took it out of this this episode, like her, her bargain tattoo with Reese was a Crescent moon tattoo and the bone carvers was the phases of the moon.

34:44 And that is on like those exact two things are on the royal jewelry of the night court. So like who were the Royals of the night court? Was it Striga? Was it someone I don't know? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. OK. All right. How does Striga's mythology fit into her Acatar storyline? So there is. There is a striga in mythology, but then there's another figure in mythology who I think fits better, a little bit better for what we're talking about here. So I'm going to talk through both of them. All right, so in Slavic mythology, there is a demon named Striga.

35:20 I realize this demons not actually named Striga. This is like the Americanization of the of this word and it's STRIGAI know that that's probably not actually how it's pronounced, but just for our benefit, we're going to call it Striga. This demon is usually female, similar to a vampire. Striga were said to be born with two sets of souls in one body, which I think is really interesting when you think about the fact that she's a twin.

35:45 It is said that they usually die at a young age, but according to belief, one of their two souls would pass to the afterlife. The other soul was believed to be to cause the deceased Striga to come back to life and prey upon other living beings, right? So basically if they a person and they start off as a person, they have two souls, one of their souls dies, the other one remains and becomes a demon. They are typically closely associated with vampires and they are often associated with owls and the woods. So I thought it was interesting before when you said is she sucking the blood out of these people? Like that would fit with the the vampire thing. Obviously Strega's cabin is in the woods, but the owls, we don't really get an owl

36:24 association with Strega. So not sure on that one. Then I got from amhsnewspaper.com, which is a high school newspaper. They wrote an article on Strega and the quotes we have for that from that is all Strega where once humans themselves worked by black magic or the desire for revenge after death. As such, many still exhibit traits of humanity, including the ability to communicate the retention of their human memories and far more rarely empathy for mankind, their usual prey.

36:52 I think this is really interesting. We know that the death gods are from another world. However, and I think we talked about this in our mass first section. There's a moment where the bone Carver refers to himself as Faye. You talked about how he refers to himself as a member of the night court. He says the book of breathing and when he's talking about the book of breathing, he says hour half right. And now we have Shriega, who's his twin traditionally being something that starts off as human, let's call it fae in this world and then become something else, right? So in both of these scenarios, we have things that like fit into a fae archetype kind of, but we're told are from somewhere else, which I think is

37:29 is really interesting. And what does that mean about kosher, right? Because in theory, kosher is the only one he we have left. So what what does that mean about kosher? I'm not sure. Yeah. That's what I had about Striga, but then I looked up Baba Yaga. Do you want to do more about Striga? Because that's all I had for her. One other thing I found on yeah, so the the two the living in the dead piece for the living piece, it was I found that there were like categories, right.

37:57 So like the street goy view and the street goy Mort. I'm definitely butchering those. But the the street, the living St. Goy could be like living people with supernatural abilities, sorcerers or witches, which I think is interesting because her brother Oshay is said to be a sorcerer. Yeah. So that was also a little a bit of a parallel.

38:23 And when Nesta meets Lanthus, he says, what are you? And she says I'm a witch from Orid, right? And Orid is in the middle. And we only know one, one person who's living in the middle, right? So like is Striga the witch from Orid? Yeah, is Striga the witch from Orid? Nesta didn't even know what she was saying but but.

38:39 But she's a queen. Cool. So I want to talk about Baba Yaga because I was led to Baba Yaga in the Wikipedia other pages section. I don't remember how I got there, but when I read about Baba Yaga, I was like, oh, this seems to fit much more. All right. So Baba Yaga is a female character from Slavic folklore. This is all from Wikipedia.

39:04 She has two contrasting roles. It's going to sound familiar. Sometimes she is a repulsive older woman who eats children. Sometimes she is a nice older woman who helps the hero. So I think we get both of these with Striga, right? Like the quotes we have for this above her young, supple body beneath her black, beautiful hair.

39:23 Her skin was Gray, wrinkled and sagging and dry. So we have both beautiful and ugly parts to her, right? And then story wise, sometimes she is, she is trying to harm Pharah, right? Like obviously when Pharah goes and fetches her ring, she's harming Pharah. But then we talked about with I Amphie, she might actually be helping Pharah. She might be parting the woods for her and she certainly helps them in Aqua, right?

39:46 Like she becomes kind of a much more benevolent figure in Aqua, right? So I think we get both parts of these. She lives in a Hut in the middle of the woods, and in mythology, the Hut is on chicken legs, which I think is hilarious, and is able to move. The Hut is sometimes depicted as being surrounded by a fence made of human bones. So this is starting to sound a lot like Striga, Striga's cottage, right, Which was made from human remains. There is an epithet.

40:11 There's an epithet that goes along with Baba Yaga that I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce. However, it roughly translates to Baba Yaga with the iron teeth, right? Striga's teeth are used to not on human bones, so I think that kind of fits. She is also said to be able to detect a Russian scent of those that visit her, which I think is interesting, right?

40:35 I think we kind of see this kind of in two places with Striga. One, she does have an unnaturally good sense of smell. But we talked about this in our either Reese's family episode or our favorite episode when Farrah goes to visit her Striga only to get the ring. Striga only like realizes that that Farrah is is there when Farrah starts to think of herself as a human again, right? So it's kind of like instead of a Russian scent, she's kind of detecting human scent or like non high Lord scent or something.

41:03 But it's like there's a distinct moment where Pharaoh starts to feel human. She starts to feel weak. And not as when St. guys like I know there's someone in my cottage. There is a tale of a man named Ivan, a handsome merchants son who vivits Baba Yaga, who visits Baba Yaga to ask for guidance to the quote thrice 10th Kingdom.

41:24 And in this story, she's, she's three sisters instead of 1, one person. But in the story, she's three sisters. When he visits the youngest sister, she starts sharpening her teeth to eat him, to save himself. He blows a horn and a firebird appears to save him. So we have a merchant son. We have a merchant, obviously, in Papa Archeron.

41:43 And we have a firebird appearing to save him, which is what Vasa did, Right. So we have a tie into Vasa now as well with Baba Yaga. Yeah, she is said to be a many faced figure. We're starting to get a lot of these. We talked about the three faces of the mother in the last episode. We talked about Diana as a deity having many faces.

42:03 She is also said to have a lot of parallels with the Morrigan from Irish mythology, right, which we talked about at length in our Moore episode. And we have talked about these similarities between Striga and more in this podcast. And then she's often described as a witch, which you just mentioned about about Striga as well.

42:21 So for the for Baba Yaga, I I feel like yes to her name is Striga, but I do feel like Baba Yaga was like a clear inspiration for this character as well. Yeah, yeah. Definitely makes more sense. Yeah, there must be a reason that she didn't name Srika Baba Yaga. I can't add what it would be. There must be Baba Yaga. I can't imagine what's not named. All right.

42:51 Anyway, Roddy, All right, good on that one. I mean, I had a little more on loops and mythology, but I think we get that looms are closely associated with fate, right? Like typically it's the Fates weaving a loom of life. We haven't seen any of that from Shriega. We don't really see her being prophetic.

43:08 We don't really see her knowing things as far as I'm concerned. So I think it's interesting that she has a loom, but it doesn't seem to get any use in that in that regard, except for the cereals line about his thread has not been woven in. Right. Yeah, Yes, Yeah. Aside from like unless she is connected to other beings or Yeah, unless she's connected to other beings or working through other beings in a way that we don't currently understand.

43:37 Yeah, then. This this life Loom does not seem to be playing any role right now. Yeah I agree, odd, but I do love the idea of the cereal coming over for tea and just yapping with Striga and reading the loom right. Basically getting getting their weekly update from the loom. Yeah, reading the Loom.

43:56 Reading the Loom, Yeah, I don't know. This thread hasn't been woven in, which is weird. Do you think that you'd think that? Shreya would leave her brother. In Yeah, just like maybe get a hair or something, put him in there. Yeah. Maybe that's why he doesn't want to be found. Maybe he wants to be invisible from the loom. Yeah, forgotten.

44:17 Yeah. That actually works, doesn't it? Yeah, well, it would. It would make sense if somehow whatever the surreal sees is tied to the Weaver's loom in some way, because then it's like tied to this earth somehow. But if you've somehow managed to avoid her loom, then you're unknown. Like you're safe from these like seemingly all knowing beings that can.

44:42 Just, well, that's probably why the surreal so fucking bad at telling the future. Because the Weaver hasn't actually caught that many people. The Weaver hasn't caught them, but also like Elaine can't see certain parts of coaching or like certain elements of yeah, OK, something to ponder. I think it's interesting too.

44:59 And I and I don't really think we get into this at least in the acquittar only section. But I do think it's worth mentioning the relationship we get out of the bone, Carver and Striga does not match the relationship we are told that they have, right. Like he says he's scared of her. He says he doesn't want to be found by her.

45:16 And then at least in my opinion, when they are fighting together, they seem to be getting along pretty well, right? Like they're working together, they're taking out hybrids forces like it seems to me like and Reese even says like here's to family reunions, right? Like I feel like we don't get the conclusion or the concrete evidence of him being so scared of Stryga and her powers. But I don't know how you feel, maybe I'm wrong. If I interpreted their interaction as not seeming to fear her, like he looked at her and then looked back at the battle.

45:46 Yeah, they don't have much. That's fair. Like what is he doing I? Think they seem to be like working in tandem at one point because like we have the line about hybrids forces being just like desiccated and destroyed by them. Yeah. I mean, they certainly seem to be fighting side by side. And he's not fearful that she's going to, like kill him.

46:05 Yeah, I think it's more interesting that she clearly is like devastated when he's about to. Yeah, yeah, right. Like, she's like, she, like, lets out a cry. Like, she's like, not happy. Yeah. Yeah. It would have been more interesting to see his reaction when she died, but he didn't get that. Not the hand the cauldron dealt us, unfortunately.

46:25 Yeah. Yep. All right. Anything else on the mythology? No. All right. Ronnie, what is the meaning behind Striega's song? Yes. So Striga, when Farrah first comes to her cottage to retrieve her own wedding ring, here's a song that Shriga is singing, and she recognizes the song as something that she has heard slightly differently and sung by humans and calls it kind of an ancient and horrible song.

46:51 I am going to read the song because it's important context for you all to have and I don't want you all to have to pull open your books and read the song and then we'll talk about kind of what it might mean and also what it might tie to in again, mythology and also folklore. So here's the song. There were two sisters.

47:08 They went playing to see their fathers ships come sailing and when they came on to the sea brim the elder did push the younger in. Sometimes she sank and sometimes she swam till her corpse came to the Miller's dam. But what did he do with her breastbone? He made him a vial to play on what he do with her fingers so small. He made pegs to his be all with all. And what did he do with her nose? Ridge unto his be all.

47:34 He made a bridge. What did he do with her veins so blue? He made strings to his be all there too. What did he do with her eyes so bright on his be all he set at first light. What did he do with her tongue so rough? Twas the new till, and it spoke enough then Bespake the treble string, O Yonder is my father the King.

47:53 Then. Bespake the second string O Yonder sits my mother the Queen. Then in the spake the strings all three Yonder is my sister that drowned me. So Farrah says she's heard the song before slightly differently sung by humans, says it was ancient and horrible. So it's it's safe to say that this is probably a like folk song in Prithean that she recognizes that the Weaver is singing when Farrah comes into her house.

48:20 Literally speaking, right? This song seems to be about two sisters. One drowns the other, and then the drowned sister's body washes up on this Miller's dam. And then the Miller creates a string instrument. And then the instrument, when played, reveals that the drowned girl's father is the king, the mother is the queen, and she was killed by her sister. That is how I take this song to, you know, to. That's why I take the song to mean there is a Scottish murder ballad.

48:49 Love a Scottish murder ballad? Loved researching this, I was like what the fuck is a murder ballad? Love a murder ballad. Love it. I need more songs to be called murder ballads personally. I literally wrote which is A and I quote traditional murder ballad. Called The Twas Sisters, in which an older sister pushes her younger sister into a body of water and the younger sister drowns.

49:15 There's a bunch of variations of this song, right? Because it's a traditional ballot and in all like spoken traditions, right? Takes a bunch of iterations and changes a bunch. So in a few versions there is a third sister mentioned that plays no major role. And in most versions, the older sister is described as like a dark, a dark sister, like darker coloring.

49:36 And the younger sister, the one who's drowned, is described as fair. Like fair skin, fair hair, fair eyes. When the dead sister's body floats to shore in this murder ballad, the murder ballads telling the same story. When the dead sister's body floats to shore, someone makes a musical instrument out of it, usually a harp or a fiddle, string instruments in both cases. And then the instrument plays itself and sings about the murder.

50:01 And then the elder sister, usually in the twah sisters ballad is publicly revealed as the murderer. Like the instrument is playing itself in a public setting and kind of reveals this elder sister as the murderer. So why is Striga singing this Scottish murder ballad when Pharah shows up at the cottage? I think there's a few options as to what this could be about. I will say off the bat I don't have a like strong clear answer for exactly what what I think this means. I think option one could be that this is about Striga in some way.

50:32 It would make sense for this to be autobiographical, right? Is Striga somehow the instrument telling her own story in some way? Since we know that Shriego was once once a queen, right? So nowhere in the TWA sisters ballad is royalty mentioned, at least not that I could find. Like my father is the king, my mother is the queen.

50:54 I couldn't find that in the Scottish murder ballad. So Striego we know was a queen. Did she have a sister that she betrayed? Did she have a sister that betrayed her? Going back to like the Shriego mythology? Like, is there a part of her instead somewhere? Is there a dead sister that we don't know about? I don't know.

51:14 But that is, I think one possibility is that Shriega is singing this in an autobiographical manner. And it would make sense, sort of because her father would have been a king and her mother would have been a queen if she were, in fact, a queen. Royalty as well. Yeah. So one thought. I've got a couple of others. Do you have any reactions to that one? Yeah, This is why I wanted to do this after the mythology question, because I think this fits, if you think about it, in the idea of a one person with two souls situation. So instead of Striga having a sister, it's the idea of one of one of those Striga souls dying and the other living. I think could be what this is about. It's not my strongest answer,

51:55 but I think it kind of works with the idea of the human kind of the human part of a striga, maybe not this striga, but a Striga has died. And the demonic part, the evil part, the sister that like killed the other one, is still alive. So I think that works within the Striga mythology. Yeah, yeah.

52:15 So I think that's one option and could make sense. One other option is the only person that we have been told has drowned in this series is Farrah's mother's cousin. Again, but not Ersten. Did this cousin actually drown? Is it the same cousin as ersten? Is a different cousin as Ersten? We're told that the mother has one cousin and that cousin is Ersten. They live on the continent.

52:42 But Nesta recalls her mother saying that her cousin was drowned by fairies and that quote was in the bog. Nesta knew how to swim. Her mother had made sure of it thanks to a cousin who had drowned in childhood, murdered by fairies, her mother had claimed. I saw her dragged into the river. Had it been a kelpie or her mother's own fears warped into something monstrous? So one kind of off the walls theory is like we have talked about Farah, Nesta's mother.

53:11 Seems like she was a terrible fucking person. Was Farah's mother the older sister? Was someone in Farah's family drowned by a sister? And this is a public reveal because again, in the Twas sisters is typically a public reveal of some elder sister who is a murderer. So is it, I would think if this has any meaning, I would think it's applicable to somebody in the situation, right? Either Shriega or Pharaoh related to somebody that we should know.

53:42 So if Nesta's second cousin was drowned by fairies, could that second cousin have been drowned by a sister? Could this also be a nod to potentially some? We've talked about some royal line being related to Nesta because Nesta is also a queen as Shriega once. Was and what's interesting about that idea is that in the research I did about this ballad, it is a lot of times a they're fighting over a man, right?

54:10 Like the older sister pushes a younger sister and because the younger sister has like won the affections of a man that the older sister likes. And the only fiddle player, the only veal player that we have is fucking Tamlin, who seems. To know Farah's mother. Speculated that yeah, so maybe, maybe Farah's mother was had a thing for Tamlin and pushed her younger sister or her cousin, I don't know, into a lake and drowned her. It could be.

54:40 There's certainly not a not a ton to go off for any of this with this song. So yeah, I like that though, yeah. There's not a ton to go off of for any of these, so that's another option. And then the third, this is like Hail Mary at best. I don't really think this applies. But because there's the third sister that sometimes shows up in the Twas sister ballad is, is this somehow meant to relate to Farah, Nesta and Elaine in some way?

55:10 Right. Like Nesta is portrayed as this like older, darker, meaner sister we know so that she's got these demons about leaving Pharaoh out to die, like letting her take care of their family. Pharaoh's just a kid, like literally just a kid. And that's to just let it happen because of how much she resented their father.

55:29 So is this some more symbolic kind of metaphorical allegory to what they experienced as three sisters? It would kind of make sense because Elaine doesn't even doesn't play a role. Elaine is just. They're trying to. Trying to make sure no one kills each other. Unfortunately, Pharah does die. Yeah, Yeah, That's interesting. I, I think this song is wholly about Pharah, and I think it is about her human side, and I think it is about her face. I'd.

56:02 But I will say it's a bit of a stretch. So am I good to am I good to go? Yeah, the the lines we kind of have for that. So we have the two sisters who went playing to see their father ships gone sailing. This also works, obviously, if it's all the Archeron sisters, right? But we know that Papa Archeron was a merchant who had all these ships.

56:22 As previously mentioned with your Mama Archeron theory, we have one fiddle player in this entire fucking series, and it's Tamlin. The reason I think this might be Pharah, I want to get into that scene I mentioned before when the when the Weaver actually realizes that Pharah is kind of in her cottage and I kind of want to go through that.

56:41 So this is at the end of chapter 20 in Akumath. So she has found the ring. And what she's doing is she's thinking about how mad she is at Reese for doing this, right? So the quotes we have are I dropped a hand toward one of the knives strapped to my thighs. When I got back to Reese, maybe I'd stab him in the gut, right? So that's like her face side, that's her strong side. And and then she goes that fast.

57:04 The memory of phantom blood covered my hands. I knew how it feels to slide my dagger through his skin and bones and flesh, knew how the blood would dribble out, how he'd grown in pain. I shut out the thought even as I could feel the blood of those, the fairy, soaking that human part of me that hadn't died and belonging to no one but my miserable self. So that's, that's the human slash Tamlin side right there. Sorry, that's let's just say that's the human side, right? Not the Tamlin side.

57:29 That's the human side of her, the side that died under the mountain, right? That's that's that's the side of her that like killed those fairies and she's dealing with the guilt of that. And when she when she said, well, as she's thinking this, that's when the Weaver song goes. Then the spake that strings all three Yonder is my sister that drowned me, right.

57:49 So we have this idea of of Yonder is my sister that drowned me. Like that bitch is who killed me, right? That faith like Pharah's phase side is like the one who kind of like killed her human side and she's wrestling with that. And we have the two souls idea with Strega, right? So it's kind of like Pharah is the Strega in this point in this mythology world.

58:12 But like she's got this face, face soul and this human soul and she's kind of wrestling with those two, right? She thinks of her human side. The Weaver sings Yonder is my sister that drowned me. When Farrah has her fight with Tamlin after the tithe, what she says is I'm drowning. I managed to say I am drowning. And the more you do this, the more guards. You might as well be shoving my head underwater, right? So I think this is, and again, it's kind of a stretch, but I kind of think this is about Farrah and her journey of like leaving Tamlin, leaving the human world, like getting out of the drowning situation essentially, right? And like killing that, killing that part of her basically right, and becoming her face

58:57 self. Unfortunately, she is the sister that pushes, like her face side is the one that pushes the human side into the river and drowns her. But I think it's about I think it's about Pharaoh's journey. And I will admit that that is pretty, pretty loose, pretty grasping. But like the idea of Farah killing, killing, drowning a part of herself that kind of like needed to be drowned, right?

59:20 That human side, that Tamlin side, that part that didn't fight back, that part that just let it happen, let herself drown. Like she's walking away from that. She's leaving that behind is my thinking. Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that's true for Favor, regardless of whether the song perfectly lines up with it or not.

59:39 And. Then the other side of that right is that the fiddler, Tamlin turns the human part basically into his, literally into his instrument, into his tool that he can shape, right? Which is exactly what Tamlin was doing to favorite, right? That's exactly what he was trying to do. So if you look at it from a different perspective, Favorite was like, no, fuck you, I'm walking away from that. I'm not.

1:00:01 Doing that like you're dead, I'm drowning you. Yeah, I'm gone. So kind of dark. But that's my it's my interpretation. I'd probably get like AC plus if I wrote a paper about it, I think. I don't know, it's not the strongest, but I. Think it deserves more than the C plus creative? Maybe AB mine. No, I like it. Cool.

1:00:19 And then obviously just the idea of creating something out of body parts, very Weaver esque, very Strega esque. That makes sense. That fits in with with the Weaver, right? That's. Definitely like for people who don't dissect every single thing in the story that requires no dissection. She's just thinking about creating something out of people. That's what she does.

1:00:39 That's what she does, baby. All right, cool. Anything else on that one? All right, it is time for our mass first section listeners. If you have not read throne of glass, all of throne of glass all across the city and you do not wish to be spoiled, we recommend you go no further. You can find us on social media. We are Dragons with details pod.

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1:01:14 Love you. Bye. Love you. Bye. All right, Mass first cosms. Ronnie, do you have some? I mean, I just have, I mostly have a cosm from Strega's powers section. I don't know if you have one that you want to get into. I actually don't. It's more just rumination than anything. And I we just we took out this question.

1:01:35 So I just made it an omission. So Shriek is like shriek is need to consume the life force of others to keep herself looking young. Is is actually like quite unlike anything that we have seen like exactly in this universe. And the closest thing really is the steri like right. It's not like completely a mirror of power exactly, but a stereo have a similar need to like consume power of others.

1:02:01 Otherwise they like severely deteriorate. They don't age, but they deteriorate. So I'm not going to lie, like I'm until literally until Shriega and the bone Carver, I was 100% convinced, not 100 percent, 90% convinced that the Astyrian Valg were completely different. And I still think I'm in that camp. But like this is the first time that I have genuinely waffled. Like everything about Shriga seems so Valg and the bone Carver seems so Valg like husks what she and the bone Carver are doing in battle.

1:02:32 And like this is this is not we're not answering this question right now, right? Like we've got to go through crochet. We've got to talk about what death gods actually are. Like they each have their own unique powers, like Valgas as race, right, like the race of being. So we're not really trying to answer that question, but I don't feel like I really know what strega it's. I don't feel like I do either.

1:02:52 And the line you may bow king as it was once done is I have written so fucking vesperous. It's so vesperous. Yeah, yeah, I have it. How? Beautiful you are how magnificent ancient 1 you may bow king as it once once done to the King of Hyburn smile down the. St. exquisite face. I don't know. I agree with you.

1:03:17 It feels very scary. She's got black blood. She's called a Dark Queen. Maybe we don't know. Dark Queen is very vague. We'll get into it. Husks. Which is She leaves husks. Run of last valg. I'm with you, the dark, the death gods. I will tell you guys right now because we're we're doing our Koche episode.

1:03:33 I'll just do a little behind the scenes for our listeners. I think you guys like it. We have had what are the death gods in the outline for every episode we've done for Bone Carver and for Striga, and I don't know. I still don't know. We're through Bone Carver, we're through Striga. I don't know what the death gods are. I don't know if they fit into something we've done yet. But there are aspects to both Valgue and Asteria and even Princess of Hell that I'm like, are they one of these things? I don't know.

1:03:59 So hopefully we'll have an answer for you by the time we do Kostray. But I'm also stopped. I'm I'm really stopped. I don't know what they are. I don't It's interesting, right? We have two instances of. We have an instance of Esteri being like calcified basically without access to power. And we have an instance of Val Val Royalty being calcified without access to power.

1:04:23 We have Bespress and we have Erawan. We don't really have seem to have like a difference. Yeah, but they're both in sarcophagus. Yeah. I think one of them is lined with word stone and one of them is lined with lead. But right. Yeah, OK. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. And so maybe she's neither, because she does seem to age without access to have access to power so.

1:04:45 But Vesper is also kind of Withers. Vesperus is also like, true, yeah, you know, without access to magic. And she's in the fucking middle. I mean, she's in the middle. The middle answers to her right? Like, right. Which is an Asteri playground, basically. Guys, I don't know. Yeah. So because we were undoubtedly going to get comments about it, there it is.

1:05:09 It's kind of a steri like definitely valg like. Am I clear on what the difference is anymore? I'm clear on many differences, in this case not 100%. Yeah. All right, we will get there. I have a bunch of cosms. Do you anymore? No, if you have a bunch I can save mine for a rainy day. All right, so real quick, I want to just go back to I actually made a meme about this. I want to go back to our conversation last at the library episode about the library and Bree Axis because I don't think I included this quote, but I think this quote is like the smoking gun for Bree Axis being a creature of hell. In House of Slim and Shadow chapter 59, Ada says we might command nightmares, but we are not monsters. He says that to Bryce and Farah

1:05:55 describes Bree Axis as the face of nightmares when she's bargaining with him. So the quote is then it's a bargain. You will obey our our orders in this war. Fight for us until we no longer need you. And in exchange we shall bring the sun and the moon and the stars to you in your home. Which now I'm like what the fuck is his home?

1:06:13 Also another prisoner who had come to love itself. Perhaps Free Axis and the Carver should meet an ancient death God and the face of nightmares right? So I think like pre axis is from hell. I'm 99% sure on that one. What? What the fuck did we bargain was? And what the fuck did we bargain with? Free access, yes. I also have a social media shout out. All right, we got a character from Jenny Sticks. I don't remember what episode this was on and they commented a couple of things, but I thought they had a really good point. So so I'm starting in the middle here, but the the common is second thing.

1:06:48 If the autumn court didn't exist yet and existing yet is existing when they went over to Midgard. I think we talked about this in our lives in our library deep dive. I can't remember when we talked about it, but we talked about the fact that we are calling dust court dust court. We are calling these places courts.

1:07:05 But in our High Court courts, like the powers were regional even before courts existed. The powers were regional even before courts existed. So there were there are no courts when the Faye Midgard when the when the Prythian Faye went to Midgard, right? There were not. And she wrote or they wrote second thing, if the autumn court didn't exist yet and they were just known as quote fire wielders from the South, why is Einar the autumn king?

1:07:30 He lives in five roses. It's not perpetual autumn. How would he know that he's the autumn king? It's just it's something in my brain very weird. And I was like, yeah, this is actually a great fucking point. Because the courts did not exist. So there should not have been an Autumn Court yet. There would be no reason for Einer to call himself the honor of King. So I don't know the answer to that. I don't know if it's it'd be a pretty big oopsie if it isn't oopsie.

1:07:53 I don't know if there's something else going on there. Speculated that Einer might be able to know things about other worlds, but I don't know. I thought that was a great point you have your thinking face on. I just think they're chatting in the caves, you know that I think they're chatting in the.

1:08:05 Case. They're just chatting in the case. Yeah, OK. I think it's a good point. I think it also, I mean, I don't know that it necessarily means to be and oopsie. It could also just be Sarah saying hey guys, I am, you know, wave a big fucking flag in your face on this one. Totally. OK, so back to our library episode and then I'll get back to St.

1:08:27 Guy, I promise. I just want to call this out because we had Linnea once again comment on our Discord. Linnea is so great. They're always coming with awesome theories. In our library episode, I think we missed a major mass first tie in basically for the bottom of the library, and that is the womb in the Torre Chesae, which is a great call out. So they wrote.

1:08:47 We got to talk about the Torre Womb and library. We're talking about the darkness of the library in the House of Wind. So many huge crossovers, including for the womb. Irene breathed in the womb's thick air, watching it rise and vanish into the clear, crisp darkness squatting far overhead and the darkness above her.

1:09:04 It was different from what she had spied in Lord Westfall's body. The opposite of that blackness, the darkness above her was, was that of creation, of rest, of unformed thought. Irene stared into it, into the womb of Silba herself, and could have sworn she felt something staring back. And that's Tower of Dawn, page 558. So reminiscent, so similar to what Nesta seems to feel at the bottom of the library, especially when the house takes her to the bottom of the library, right? And, and she sees the heart of the house, and it's not evil, it's just darkness.

1:09:35 And darkness is kind of what you make of it. And Amarin even kind of says that later, right? Like is Are you sure it wasn't evil or is evil just kind of like what you assigned to it? Basically? Like what what do you think this this darkness is? And then of course, Reese has his lines about there being different types of darkness, right?

1:09:52 Which is what this reminded me of. I don't have a strong theory at this point about how the Torre chesme and the library and our theory that it's a thin place with hell all kind of fits together. But I'm sure we'll get there with Tara Dawn. However, I do not think it is a coincidence that it is Irene who is feeling this darkness. Breathe in the Torre Chesme and it it is Nesta who is feeling the darkness.

1:10:14 Breathe womb like in the library, right? Because we basically think these are both Star Warren people essentially, even though we don't have confirmation on either of them, we think they both have these Esteri powers, which means they can basically make things right? So we know that Nesta in some part made the library.

1:10:29 Did Irene in some part also make the tour? I'm sure we'll talk about that when we get to throw in a glass. I don't know yet, but that's just kind of my initial thought there. Cool. All right, back to we also got like 1 trillion comments and I've been replying and just like, yes, of course, understood about the best cats. Yeah.

1:10:47 Yeah, yeah, the Bass cats. We'll get to the baskets. I can't, I cannot prep for 36 gods and 36 baskets in addition to the library guys. But yes, we know. We know. We know. We know. We'll get to the baskets. Yeah, OK. Striega's song, you mentioned this, that some words were changed from the human version to the fav version, right? The things that I thought were interesting and potentially mass verse related in this song.

1:11:18 What did he do with her veins so blue? He made strings to his vial thereto in Throne of Glass, the witch's iron teeth, which is bleed blue, right? So is that a reference to Pharaoh's potentially iron teeth and lineage which we have a theory about? We don't know for sure. And then the other one, what did he do with her eyes so bright on his viol he set at first light.

1:11:40 So for the bright eyes, and we've kind of talked about this, but I don't think we've actually read the quote. When Nix is born, we have the line dark hair with blue eyes that already glowed with his father and mother's Starlight offsetting the light tan of his skin, right? So we have Nix's eyes glowing with Starlight, which is very starborn coated, right? So is this also a reference to the eyes glowing so bright? Was that was this a starboard Princess that was drowned? I don't know.

1:12:09 And that might be reading too into it too much into it, of course. But then this the follow up of that line is on his viol. He said at first light, which is what the Esteri consume, right. So like, I don't know. I don't know if she was laying these clues here, but they seem to be there if you see them. I wrote was this whole line of starboard reference in Acatar book 2.

1:12:27 If so, well done, Sarah. I think what's really interesting you mentioned this right. Typically in in our world, this song is about two siblings, one who is light and one who is dark. We get that imagery everywhere, everywhere. We have it with Gwen and Catherine. We have it with Fenris and his twin.

1:12:47 Like there's somewhere someone else has a light and a dark twin. I can't remember. There's there's there's light. There's a lot of there's two of the 13 are light and dark twins, Right. Like there's just there's light and dark twins throughout this universe. And a lot of times one of them dies and one of them lives. And like, I don't really know why. I think it's a pattern we'll we'll look into at some point. But I think it's interesting that this song is part of that pattern too.

1:13:11 Yeah. All right. And then my last cause I'm sorry, I've had a lot today. I want to go back to Baba Yaga in mythology because I found this and I literally like squealed when I found this. So the name for Baba Yaga obviously Baba Yellow Legs guys like obviously Baba Yellow Legs is based. On that was what I meant by I wonder why she didn't name her Baba Yaga. However, however, the name for Baba Yaga in Czech is Jezababa. All right, Jezababa.

1:13:37 And in Serbia, there is another very similar figure named Baba Roga. All right, so now we have Jezeba Roga. What this happened? Why is she being lumped in with these? Yeah, very fucking interesting, in my opinion. Why is she being lumped in with Bobby, Yellow Legs and Streak? I don't know. I don't know, but I think it's really fucking interesting. Yeah, yeah.

1:13:59 I think you might know, you have your I might know face odd. So I'm excited. I don't have, certainly not in this episode, but I have been mildly obsessing about Jezebel Roga on the side for some time. It was in my spiral about. It was in my spiral about Valg versus Hell. Because Jessica got power from Napoleon.

1:14:18 Yeah, right. So she's tied to witches, Like real witches, Valg witches. Then that's a point towards hell Valg. Yeah, connection. Yeah. And she kind of fits with Striga too, right, In that she is both like, old and and young, right? Like she can appear young, but she is in fact old and aging. And she was once human, but she is no longer.

1:14:40 That's the that's our mythology, Striga. Right. But there's interesting parallels there. We're not going to get into them today, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. OK. Abby, why did Shrieka have the herb Oris? All right, we are once again talking about the aura Burrows. Are you guys so excited? Do you think we would talk about the Herbos this much because we.

1:15:01 Actually had a lot for this one and I was pretty excited about it. I didn't feel like, I don't feel like we've overdone the reverse. All right, we have not. All right, All right. So the bone Carver tells Farrah. My sister had a collection of mirrors in her black castle. There was one mirror. The Euro Burroughs, she called it. It was old even when we were young. A window, the world, all could be seen, all could be told through its dark surface.

1:15:25 Kier possesses it, an heirloom of his household. Bring it to me. That is my price, the Uroboros, and I'm yours to wield if you can find a way to free me, blah blah blah. We read all that in Bone Carver. All right, there is a concept of which mirrors and throne of glass. You guys know this by now.

1:15:40 Which we later find out are actually Valk mirrors, right? So in Kingdom of Ash chapter 76, we get this exchange between Dorian and Maeve. So. Dorian asks. It's possible to show a in a different world? Dorian asked me if when they were again in their tower room. Maeve slid into a chair, her face distant. Using mirrors, yes.

1:15:59 Dorian lifted a brow. You have seen yourself. The power of which mirrors what it did to ailing Galathinius and Manon Blackbeak. Who do you think taught the witch is such power? Not the fae. A small laugh. And how do you think I've been able to see so far? Hear the voices of my eyes? What does that mean? Hear the voices of my eyes?

1:16:17 Whatever. Hear the voices of my eyes all the way from door. Now there are mirrors to spy mirrors. Karen Cooley, I'm pretty sure, right? Could be. Here's the voice thing about. Her who she's connected to, I thought. That would make sense. Yeah. All the way from Dora. Now there are mirrors to spy, to travel, to kill.

1:16:35 Even now, Aaron wields them to his advantage with the iron teeth, with the witch towers. So they are known as witch mirrors. But it's really a valk power. I also think the error Burrows being called a window to the world here confirms that this is a we haven't seen it used that way. But like I think we have confirmation that this is a this is a witch slash valk mirror.

1:16:56 All could be seen. All could be told through its dark surface. Like I love your theory. I love your theory about the the phone booth. Basically the caves under the Hewn City being a phone booth. However, Kier also has the Uru Burrows and knows who Thanatos is like and all could be seen. We know that Maeve uses these mirrors to talk. Like has Kiera been using these mirrors to talk to? How?

1:17:18 I think that's a possibility. Yeah. We talked a bit about this in Bone Car. I want to go into a bit more detail. So the quotes we have for this to take the Era Burrows to claim it, you must first look into it. He had it for the doors not waiting to be dismissed. And everyone who has attempted to do so has either gone mad or been broken beyond repair.

1:17:38 Even a high Lord or two, if legend is true. That's first quote. Second quote we have about the Era Burrows. The mirror was notorious. Every known philosopher had ruminated on it. Some had dared face it and got mad. Some had approached and run away in terror. I could not find an account of anyone who had mastered it, faced what lurked within it, and walked away with the mirror in their possession, save for the Weaver in the wood, who certainly seemed insane enough, perhaps thanks to the mirror she'd so dearly loved. So at some point it seems like the the Weaver looked into this mirror.

1:18:10 Interestingly though, in that same passage we are told that a Dark Queen had once possessed the mirror and in potentially imbued it with her powers. But we are not told who this Dark Queen is. Right, so next. This is literally the next paragraph. Or perhaps whatever evil lurked and her had tainted the mirror to some of the philosophers had suggested as much.

1:18:30 So they hadn't known her name, only that a Dark Queen had once possessed it, cherished it, spied on the world with it, and used it to hunt down beautiful young maidens to keep her eternally young. Maeve is constantly referred to as a Dark Queen. That is code for Maeve basically. Right? So the quotes we get for that this is in Kingdom of Ash has 2 prologues 1 the Prince one the Princess.

1:18:53 The quotes from the Prince are before he faced the dark queen, who had torn into his innermost self, stealing his mate long before she had been locked into an iron coffin, and then an alien's vision. In the prologue, the Princess. Even when the dark queen presided over the Hunter's ministrations, the Princess thought of him, held on to his memory as if it were a rock in the raging river.

1:19:16 And we talked last episode about how looking upon the herb Burrows is very reminiscent of looking upon Val Kings. I just to read this quote one more time and the and the valve this time we're LED. This is Alan talking in the God of Truth Temple. And the valves this time were LED her bloodshield by one of three kings.

1:19:36 That the king who remained trapped here after the gate was sealed. It says that to look upon a king, to look upon a Val king was to gaze into. She shook her head. Madness, despair. I don't know that symbol. He could take any form, but he appeared to them now as a handsome man with golden eyes, the eyes of the Val king. So very similar to the way that the Uroboros is described in my opinion.

1:19:57 Like we don't know exactly what it does, but basically no one can really look upon. But also plenty of people look at Erawan so I don't know how true this is like. And then of course the Black Castle. She kept it in her black castle. As far as I can tell we only have one Black castle in this entire universe and that's Morath, which is a stronghold of the Valk.

1:20:15 So is she Valk? Is she the Stark queen? Is Maeve The Stark Queen did and Striga somehow ended up with the mirror? Don't know if she is the Dark Queen. She has to be Maeve because the Stiggy and spiders tell us there's only ever been one Valk Queen. And that is Maeve. And I don't really think she's Maeve, to be clear, Like I don't think that's what's going on here.

1:20:35 But the quote for that is the Stiggy and Spiders, the Karen Kui answer to their Val Queen, the only Val queen to Maeve. So that is Kingdom of Ash chapter 49. Yeah. So we're clearly getting Val, Val, Val also kind of which, but Val, Val, Val, I'm going to pause there. I have, I have kind of a precog theory that I want to get into a bit because I think it's a stretch, but I, I kind of want to hear what, what you're thinking at this point. Yeah, I mean, I like I went to the same place, straight to the quote where Maeve says who do you think taught the witch is such power?

1:21:08 Not the fact these are valid mirrors. So I think that Shriega has to be either Valg or Witch because of what you said about me, and that's why she has a mirror. To be clear, because of what you said about Maeve being the only valve queen. Though we know that Shriega is a queen, multiple people have said that Shriega was the queen.

1:21:28 So that makes me think that Shriega might have been like a queen of witches or something else which might line up a little bit better because she seems to have qualities that are different than like our typical. Like, like she doesn't seem like Maeve. Maeve seems way closer to like a typical, frankly coherent, like normal creature than what Shriega presented as. And Shriega's cottage, like granted she was trapped there, but like, her whole cottage vibe was much more similar to Baba Yellow Legs and her kind of like truck of mirrors or little caravan. 100% yeah.

1:22:09 And felt more reminiscent of that. I had a couple things that indicated that she might be more of like a mother of witches, queen of witches type of figure. Similar to Baba one in the weaver's cottage in Accor chapter 60. This is fair. I gritted my teeth and braced a foot against the wall, iron biting into my hands. So there's iron in the cottage.

1:22:30 Why is there iron in the cottage? Kind of witchy. Very good sense of smell. Also very witchy, Baba. Yellow Legs, of course, also had a bunch of mirrors. Also wore a crown of stars, and that quote was in Throne of Glass. Welcome, welcome, Shouted an old woman, bent and gnarled with age from a podium at the foot of its stairs.

1:22:49 A crown of stars adorned her silver hair, and though tanned her or no, her tanned face was saggy and speckled. There was a spark in her brown eyes. That was Baba. So I'm not saying that Shriega wore a crown of stars, but we drew her kind of bargain tattoo parallel back to royal jewelry in the Night Court.

1:23:07 If she was of that royalty line like that, star lineage would make sense. And just to cut in real quick, we know that that crown was in fact Rhiannon Kraken. Kraken's crown that Mana later wears. We don't. We don't. OK, yeah, this is a bit of a stretch, but what the Iron Teeth witches did and how they like ravaged people and left nothing but bones seems complementary to the Bone Carver's preferred skill set. So if Striga is Iron Teeth in some way or has I'm referencing, I'm basically referencing Maddie's death from Assassin's Blade, which then Alan later recalls. What Ronnie was just referencing is actually on Soul Story and Assassin Blade.

1:23:57 God, I don't know how you say on souls name. I don't know if it's on soul. I don't know if it's Ansel. We're going to go with Otsel. So this is from the assassin in the desert. The quote is my sister came running. She just grabbed my arm and we ran. It didn't come out at first, but when we got to my father's hall she told them what had happened.

1:24:12 Sorry. The context for this was that Ansel and her sister were playing at an abandoned tower near their home with her sister's friend Maddie. They had gone under the archway of the tower and seen an open door leading to its interior. But an old woman with metal teeth was standing in the shadows, and she grabbed Maddie and dragged her into the stairwell.

1:24:30 They found one thing. Ansel said softly. They climb the tower, and on one of the landings they found the bones of a child, white as ivory and picked clean. So she was eaten. She. Was eaten and gleaming white bones. Like yeah, there were bones left. So kind of convenient you take Striga and the bone Carver to be twin yin Yang and Striga does have this habit like the bone.

1:24:55 Carver, a zero waste restaurant? That's right, The Bone Carver. Wanting to carve death into bones and having an affinity for carving bones makes a lot of sense. So things are triangulating towards Strega potentially being more of a witch figure than pure valg just in her like behaviors and affinity towards these these things.

1:25:19 And also just the fact that she literally bites into people like that is not a Valg behavior. That is a witch behavior. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I did say, like my note is so Shreya could just be a good old fashioned Val Queen, but we're told there's only one. The thing that doesn't really add up to me is then what is the King of Hyburn, right? If the King of Hyburn bowed to her in some capacity or would have bowed to her in some capacity, then what was he? What was he that he was bowing to? A witch one?

1:25:50 So this is, this is where I'm glad you went there because this actually very nice feeds into my kind of crazy theory. I'm actually wondering if she was perhaps the first witch. And the reason I'm wondering that is again, from lore, from real, from real war, not from mass versus lore. So again, from Wikipedia, the similarities we have the quotes for this, the similarities between Baba Yaga, I'm going back to Baba Yaga again and other beings in folklore may be due to either direct relation or cultural contact between the eastern slaws and other surrounding peoples.

1:26:24 In Serbian her name is Baba Korinza Karimza, which translates to iron tooth. In Slovenia she's called Petra Baba Hetra blue bud is the the blue bud air right? And then the Baba Yaga Baba yellow legs comparison is pretty fucking obvious, right? So I don't have a lot to go off of here. Oh, this is also really funny.

1:26:45 I noticed this Baba Yellowlegs house is built on chicken or sorry, Baba Yaga's house is built on chicken legs. When Dorian first goes to Baba Yellowlegs to ask her about magic, she is fucking tearing into a plate of chicken legs. Like we are given visceral details about these chicken legs, which is definitely on purpose.

1:27:04 Yeah. And she's she picks them clean until only the bones are left Also. So like, is she? And I don't have anything to go off of here other than real world mythology, right? And this version of Baba Yaga having all these blue, all these witch names, right? Like she's called Iron Tooth, she's called Petra, like, and I don't really know what that would be. But like, if her father is a Val king, if she is like the first witch somehow, then I think that would be something that the king of Hyburn would bow to, right?

1:27:34 Because we don't actually think the king of Hyburn is a Val king, right? We think he just might be Val. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, so if she had like a Fae Queen Mother and a Val King father or something of that, Yeah, it would have to be that because there's only one. Or if Mavis maybe I'm looking Maeve supposed to have children.

1:27:54 But if Mavis somehow or another then that could work. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's all this is where it's all the death gods are making me so spirally. I don't know because she feels like a witch, but she feels really powerful. And once again, we're not given her death feels not real.

1:28:09 Let's put put it that way, her death, it doesn't feel like she really. Died so easy. Both of their deaths feel just way too, way too easy. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, I had one more thing on the mirror. I mean, if we continue to trend this way, this maybe isn't the last time we talked about the Arab Earth.

1:28:27 But if it is, and I think it's worth talking about. So as far as why she has the mirror, like she probably has the mirror because of her lineage that we just talked about. But I think it's also worth talking about, like why does she actually have this particular mirror? The purpose of the mirror seems to be to show you your true self.

1:28:45 But the bone Carver also, you just said this, right, calls it a window, a window to the world, which I think you rightly said like means it probably has to be a Valk mirror because the Valk learned to worldwalk. So Shriega presumably had this mirror. Like, I'm assuming the timeline during which she was actually looking in this mirror had to be like, 10 to 15,000 years ago. Like, before that, before there were courts. Yeah.

1:29:09 Is when she must have been looking in this mirror and like in this black castle unless. Yeah. Yeah. I think that has to be the case, right. Because even if they were in another world, it was probably on that time horizon. Like, even if she was looking in this mirror on another world, it was probably at that time, before high Lords were a thing, she was a queen looking at herself in this mirror.

1:29:29 The bone Carver called it a window to the world. And the mirror itself is called by Pharaoh the mirror of beginnings and endings. Right. And I think you've mentioned before, Rowan and Alen are called like beginning and ending, beginnings and endings like that's imagery that's used to describe them.

1:29:46 So are. Recent Farrah as well. Recent Farrah yeah yeah there's one other place that's like pretty fucking important where that language is used and it's in Kingdom of Ash chapter chapter 94 when they dissolve the three word keys into Aylan's arm. That quote is. Rowan fell to his knees as the three word keys within Aylan's arm dissolved into her blood like dew in the sun. And I'm skipping a little bit.

1:30:09 As it had been once before so it was again the beginning and end and eternity, a torrent of light of life that flowed between them. Two halves of a cleaved bloodline miss swirled veiling the solid ground beneath. An illusion perhaps for their minds to bear where they now stood. A place that was not a place in a the Chamber of many doors, more doors than they could ever hope to count. Some made of air, some of glass, some of flame and gold and light.

1:30:36 A new world beyond each a new world beckoning. So beginning and end, like in this exact moment is literally used as like the apex of the doors to seemingly all of the world's. So I think there's no way that this mirror wasn't at least at one point actually used to see other worlds. And I'm wondering was it was it a window to the world? And than when these doors were sealed for some reason it stopped and that's why it is what it is now. Is it just shows you your true self? I don't know.

1:31:06 I think we're going to get into this in the next question, but it feels like we are, we have our three worlds here, right? We have our three worlds here and it feels like we are missing a world above almost, you know what I mean? Like we have again, I think we'll get into the next question we have what? The God Realm.

1:31:26 The God realm exactly like it feels like we're missing the God realm. Yeah, yeah. Well, because we have the three worlds and then we have the Hell realm that we know about, and then we don't have the God realm. Yeah, and there is another place where the beginning and the ending come up. When Bryce, I didn't write this down because I started to have a theory about it. And then I was like, I can't even, I can't even begin to open this door.

1:31:48 Ha ha ha. When Bryce gets to Prythian, she sees the knife, right? And she calls the knife and the sword the alpha and the Omega, which is the beat, which is beginning and ending right. I don't know how that ties into like, this is my problem. I found this and then I was like I don't know what to do with this information but it feels like. Like our heaven and hell, the bookends of this universe and we just like haven't figured out where heaven is yet. I don't know.

1:32:14 Yeah, or, or like if this is the mirror of the beginning and of beginnings and endings, and if Alan created the beginning and the ending by opening the word gates, is this actually like this is this is crazy, this is pre card, but is this actually like a word mirror, an urge mirror, so to speak? It's actually not that crazy when we get into the next question. You could see every door so like you. Could see every door.

1:32:37 Yeah, Right, right, right, right, right, right. OK, I don't know. At some point we'll get into that, but that day is not today, unless it is in our next question. I don't. I'm not getting that deep. You can go that deep if you'd like to. I'm not really. I'm not really. I will preface with I loved this question. I loved it.

1:32:53 I thought it was so fun to research. All right. Are we good to to go into it? Sure. OK Ronnie, what is the connection between characters with Looms or Weavers in this universe? All right, there are a couple, a couple interesting characters with looms in this universe. There's also, there's also spiders, right?

1:33:13 They don't have looms, but they are weavers. And I think we could be remiss to not. Yes, and Shrika is described as a spider. Sarah calls her a spider and she's got black blood. Like she could just be a valk. Spider, she could be a Valk spider, she could be a good old member of the Karen Kui and that would work. So I'll start with the most the, the, the the least intimidating. There is a Weaver in the Palace of Thread and Jewels in Belarus that created a fabric that absorbs light and creates a lack of color.

1:33:43 And it's called void. Ferret and Elaine are doing, they're actually doing what I did earlier today. They were doing some Christmas shopping. They were walking around a palace of thread and jewels, and in the back of the vaulted wood paneled shop, a loom thrummed and clicked as the dark haired artist who made the pieces continued her work, pausing only to answer questions from customers. And Ferret specifically calls the comp, right? So different.

1:34:06 This space was so different from the cottage of horrors that had belonged to the Weaver in the wood to Strega. So if you weren't thinking about other weavers in the universe, you immediately are. You're thinking about Shriega. This Weaver has Gray eyes. Another witch parallel to just Barocca and the Weaver. What?

1:34:23 And Amrin? Amrin has Gray eyes? Yep. I think hers are more silver, but I agree with you. I think they were silver. And then she decided Nesta wanted. She wanted. Nesta has the silver fire in her eyes, so Amber's eyes became great. But yeah. Yeah, this Weaver was high, Fay, full figured and pale skin. So again, we're getting dark hair, we're getting pale skin. A sheet of black hair had been braided back from her face, the length of the plate dropping over the shoulder of her thick red sweater.

1:34:51 Practical brown pants and sheerling line boots completed her tire. Simple, comfortable clothes. So she has Gray eyes, she has pale skin, she has dark hair, the dark haired pale face that is once again the complexion of this Weaver. And her loom seems almost magic, right? And so we learned that this Weaver lost her husband in the war.

1:35:12 Her husband never came back. And she creates this fabric called void with a capital V, which is of course, that's why are you doing that. I don't know. Void with a capital V, which is how like that's very hellish and she creates a fabric that creates A void. So again, Yep, we're getting spider vibes, we're getting Weaver vibes, we're getting hell.

1:35:39 She creates this silver thread within it called Hope and is directly compared to the Weaver. That's one character with a loom. I think we're getting a bit of a thread there. I didn't really read too much into comp between this person and the Weaver other than she seems to create a fabric that is more than just a fabric right?

1:35:59 It actually does create a void. Right and just to remind everyone, the hell comp that Ronnie is talking about is that the Princess of hell say that they are birthed from the void capital V again their father is the void and their mother is chaos. And the under king in Crescent City also says he was birthed from the void but that he is not a Prince of hell. So the void is a real thing.

1:36:18 We have a void. It is Canon that there is a void capital. It is something in this universe and we have this Weaver in Volaris who is just weaving it and I don't know what that means. She just thought of it and she weaved it. The silver thread shines like Starlight. Shines like Starlight. It's star imagery.

1:36:37 Yes. Yes. Called Hope. Yeah. I have to imagine that that came to her in a dream. Her being the Weaver whose name you haven't said yet. I don't. Think yeah. Aaron Yeah, yeah. Which is another spider name. Yes, it could have come to her in a dream, and we know that Apollyon loves to visit people in dreams.

1:36:54 Yeah, Apollyon loves to visit people in dreams. Yep. So that's one one character that has a loom. Dorian describes his his internal imagery that he uses to shift. Yeah, as a loom. So when Dorian is learning how to shift his own being the way that he like internally pictures what he's going to shift into, he calls like a magical loom in his mind. And so those quotes are Dorian started, heart thundering. The others again halted their their lunches, gaping. Sorry everyone.

1:37:28 'S eating always eating lunch around Dorian. They are always eating lunch altered their lunches gaping some leaning into peer at him more closely. But he fed his magic into the loom within himself, adding to the emerging picture. And then again a little bit later. His silent answer sent that magical loom tumbling from his invisible grip.

1:37:47 So he loses grip on the loom, and he knew that if he looked, his dark hair and sapphire eyes would have returned. So he loses his grip on the loom, and then he just looks like himself again. So he he weaves into a loom to create the image that is, that is not himself. Basically what? I just think that's so fucking interesting when you, and this hadn't occurred to me until now when you put this against the other weavers that we have in this universe, who I'm going to probably spoil it for.

1:38:14 You are the mother basically, right? Like the mother and Dorian. Dorian describes his power as weaving a loom. And Dorian is so fucking powerful. Like what? What is Dorian? What does he become like? Yeah. Yes. And then I didn't necessarily they really characterize it as a mother, but you can choose to interpret that as you wish.

1:38:35 But in Throne of Glass series, the three faced goddess is said to have a loom herself by Manon multiple times, which feels like a big fucking deal. It's also another witchy, another witchy tie in that it's, I mean, we, we talk about and we hear about 3 faced goddesses and triple deities like triple goddesses all the time in the series.

1:38:56 But specifically, the three faced goddess described by Manon is the one that has the loom, right? And the Weaver is the one, the Weaver of the wood is the one that has a loom. So again, like the loom is tied to witchy figures so far, witchy figures in Dorian. But like Dorian is around wishes when this is happening.

1:39:13 Like Dorian is around witches when he has this loom, this magical loom going on. He's with 13 when he's doing. This, in a way, Dorian very much is a witch in that his father is Falk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But his mother is not fae. Right. Well, OK, but it's the human version. Yeah, Yeah, he's. Human.

1:39:34 I don't know. Human witch. Yeah, yeah. So those quotes are, again, Manon felt that ebb and flow in the world. These are all moments where Manon is feeling pulled to do something, almost like Nasta feels pulled by the mother to do things in Prithean. And she characterizes this pull as threads or currents related to the loom of of this three faced goddess. So Manon felt that ebb and flow in the world, that invisible current that some called fate and some called the loom of the three faced goddess.

1:40:09 And then another. She knew what it was when she awoke a loose thread in the loom of the three faced goddess. And this was right before Manon came back for a lead in herself. So these forces at work, we see the forces at work pulling everyone everywhere, right? Like Manon, Alien, Nesta, like everyone is being. Kind of drawn in certain directions, but Manan is specifically characterizing her poles as threads and looms of this of the three faced goddess.

1:40:36 So to your point earlier on, what is the Weaver weaving and what is the significance of the serial saying the bone carver's thread has not been woven in? Is it what the Weaver is weaving? Is it the loom of the three faced goddess? Is the Weaver one of the faces? The Weaver related to this in any way?

1:40:58 Like my brain spins when I think about it. The bone Carver also drew those three circles, right? Like so we talked about those three circles being potentially a number of different things. Are was the bone Carver talking about the three faced goddess? Like, yeah, it's triple deity. What connection does the Weaver have to fate in Pradian?

1:41:17 It seems like you might play a big role in Prithian specifically. Totally agree. I totally agree. There's one you missed or there's one you didn't talk about that we need to talk about because it's really important, but it fits in with all of this. So we also have Erd in Crescent City. She does not have a loom and she is known as the Weaver, right?

1:41:38 So the quotes we have for this, this is from Bryce. We don't have anything like the cauldron on Midgard. Soulis is our sun God, Shithona. Jesus Christ. I don't know, he said Kathona, Shithona, his mate and the earth goddess Luna is his sister. The moon, Oh, Hennis Shahonas, Shithona's jealous sister, is the seas.

1:41:55 And Urd guides all. She's the Weaver of fate, of destiny, Bryce added after a moment. I think she's the reason I'm here. So we get a lot about Urd from the under king. So the the quotes for that are no statues ever adorned earths temple, no depiction of the goddess had ever been made. Fate took too many forms to capture in one figure.

1:42:18 That's from sky and breast Chapter 64. Fate took too many forms. We have a three faced goddess. We have Striega who seems to have many faces, right? Like fate took too many forms. Is that a reference to to this idea of many faces of regenerating etcetera? We have a lot of three faced deities. You just mentioned that so maybe, maybe not.

1:42:38 The under King Rose black robes drifting on a phantom wind. There's that phantom wind again. I thought the Faye bowed to Luna, but perhaps you remember the old beliefs from a time when Erd was not a goddess but a force winding between worlds, when she was a that of life, a mother to all, a secret language of the universe. The Fae worshipped her then.

1:42:59 So we have Erd, who is a Weaver, and then we have a VAT of life, which is certainly the cauldron. We have a mother to all, which is the Mother. And we have the secret language of the universe, which like has to be word marks at this point, right? All kind of tied to Erd. Well, doesn't the under kings say that ERD is basically like Word with the typo? Yes, so here we go and she the underking went on, gesturing to that unusual depiction of Erd.

1:43:25 Towering above them was not a goddess, but a force that govern worlds, a core, a cauldron of life, bringing it brimming with the language of creation. Erd. They called her here Aster to date bastardized version of her true name word. We called her in that old world. OK, so these are basically the same quote across two different books. So you're really supposed to fucking pay attention about this right?

1:43:44 Like we are getting told about Erd twice being word. We also have a a depiction of Earth here which we don't get anywhere else. This is again in it was that House of Frosted Starlight, House of Flavin Shadow Chatter 81. The Christmas special. Christmas special, all right. The Under King lounged on a throne between a behemoth statue of a figure holding a black metal bowl between her up raised hands.

1:44:12 Symbols were carved all over the bowl, tinuing down her fingers, her arms, her body. Ethan could only assume it was meant to represent Heard. No other temples ever depicted the goddess. No one even dared. Most people claimed that fate was impossible to portray in anyone form. But it seems that the dead, unlike the living, had a vision of her and those symbols running from the bowl onto her skin. They were like tattoos.

1:44:36 All right, so I didn't write this down, but I want you all to remember the mural that is painted in Tamlin's manner of the hands of the Mother. We have these gorgeous fine hands of the mother pouring A cauldron out and strange symbols coming from the cauldron. And that is the fae origin story right? OK, so this is all lining up.

1:44:54 I also want to point out, and I will point this out in my pre card corner as well, we get so many descriptions of Striga's lovely, lovely hands. Her hands are called attention to like 3 times and she does not get a lot of Peach time. I think that's important. Yeah. In Throne of Glass, we have a little more about word.

1:45:14 So this is when Dorian and Selena are doing research on word marks in the wrist Hold library in book 1. Some books claim the word is the force that holds together and governs Aurilia. Not just Aurilia, countless other worlds too. I've heard of it before. He said this is Dorian picking up the book, but his eyes remain fixed on her face. I always thought the word was an old term for fate or destiny. So did I.

1:45:38 But the word isn't a religion, at least not in the northern parts of the continent, and it's not included in the worship of the goddess or the gods. So I think this is important because we do have in the throne of glass world, we have word, we do have the mother. She's mentioned an early throne of glass books and then doesn't come back.

1:45:55 And then we have the three faced mother. And it's not really clear if those are the same. But these are these are gods. These are gods that we have one theory, what we get later. And again, I want to remind everyone, this is the literally throne of Glass book one. This is literally Throne of Glass book one.

1:46:08 We're getting these quotes. It's interesting some theories suggest the mother goddess is just a spirit from one of these worlds and that she strayed through something called a word gate and founded found Aurilia in need of form and life. There's an idea that before the goddess arrived there was life, an ancient civilization, but somehow they disappeared.

1:46:26 Perhaps through that word gate thing ruins exist. Ruins too old to be a fae making. This is Throne of Glass chapter 27. I think what we are talking about here is the fae going with Ridgelis to Midgard 15,000 years ago and then a mother goddess coming and finding Aurilia and making the say, I don't really know. This is not our Throne of Glass season, but I think that's a wild quote.

1:46:49 So I think what we have here, just going through these deities real quickly and then I'll and then I'll bring it back to Strega. It seems like in Midgard the Mother and the Cauldron have combined into one deity bird, right? She is both the Mother and the cauldron. While in Acotar and Throne of Glass they are kind of separate things.

1:47:06 We have the Mother and we have Word and we have the Mother and the Cauldron, which I think it makes sense because the Fae are not from Midgard, right? So like, it kind of makes sense that there is no mother figure of creation because there's no creation myth for them on Midgard. They know they came from somewhere else, came from somewhere else. But we still have that idea of fate, of destiny combining into one thing.

1:47:29 And then we have Bryce's quotes. We actually get this quote not once but twice from Bryce about what happenings to the old happened to the old gods of the Fae basically when they came from Prythian to Midgard. So the quotes for that are. I read the one last week about when she's in when she's in Prithean talking to Azrael, but when Bryce and Rune are talking, right before Rune gets abducted by the Reaper she says what's Erd playing at or is it Luna? What's the end goal?

1:47:59 You think the gods have something to do with all this again? The hair on her arms rose, the star on her chest dimmed and went dark. Hell is another world, another planet. Ada said so. Ada said so months ago. I mean, the demons worship different gods than we do, but what happens when the world's overlap?

1:48:16 When demons come here to their? Do they, their gods come with them? All of us, the banner, we all came from somewhere else. We were immigrants into Midgard. But what became of our home worlds, our home gods, they still pay attention to us, remember us? Don't exactly remember why I read that quote, but there's a couple of interesting things there.

1:48:34 So her star dims when she's talking about these gods, right? Her star, we've talked about this. We think her star is a starry power. Why is her star dimming talking about the gods? I'm I'm no longer thinking that the throne of glass gods, are they asterry by the way? I don't know if it works. Why is her star dimming when she's talking about Word?

1:48:53 Basically ERD and Luna right? So I was like OK, what does this have to do with Shriega? How does this all fit in? I had all these pieces, couldn't fight, put them together. Then I found a Reddit thread. So I want to call out this Reddit thread because I think they had some really good ideas. It is called rackets spoilers all a far fetched theory by Word God. So check out that Reddit thread if you want, it's super long. There's a lot of theories about the deaf gods. I don't agree with all of them, but this one I thought was good. Two of our weavers in this universe are deities. Our representatives, I'm not including Dorian at this point, right?

1:49:24 But we have the three faced goddess. We have the three faced mother. Again, the mother in Prithian is said to have three faces by Aaron. That's kind of the only time we get that. But it's very interesting that we have the idea of a three faced mother in both worlds. And then we have Word and Urd as weavers, right? So is Striega also the representation of fate in this world?

1:49:45 Does does that work? Because it doesn't seem like she is, but she has been been fined to this cottage for a very long time, and we don't know what her powers are. And the loom doesn't really fit into anything else that she's been doing, right? Like the loom does not seem to keep her young. We do not know why she's weaving this loom. One of the books in Griffin Antiquities is the Queen with Many Faces.

1:50:06 We talked about this before, but Shriega is basically constantly regenerating and getting a new face when she eats people. After she eats I am Fee, Pharis says her face is once again beautiful. Right, That's the quotes. That's Akwar chapter 69. So she could be described as a queen with many faces. We have a many, many faced mother in these other worlds. We have fate with many faces that cannot be depicted right. We have the line from King of Hyburn calling her a queen. We have the line her saying you may bow as it was once done. She is a queen.

1:50:36 She was once worshipped. Like is she this queen with many faces? You brought up the three circles. Like is she this world's version of the three faced mother? Does that work? I don't know, because we just talked about her being a witch, which I think makes a lot more sense. But it's interesting that she has this loom and that every other loom character we have is basically fate personified, right? And we also have the bone Carver saying that Nesta is a queen, as my sister once was.

1:51:06 And we have the mother whispering in Nesta's ear, right? But we only get the mother whispering in Nesta's ear once Triga has died, right? Basically once Triga has like shed her earthly form, right? So like, I don't know that it totally works. I actually don't think it works, but like if we were to pull these threads, ha ha. Is Shriega the mother?

1:51:24 If she weren't a deaf God sibling I would say I'm more convinced of this, but I don't know how it works with her being a sibling of both Cochet and the boat Carver. Yeah, I also think it would work if she had more otherworldliness. Not otherworldliness, but like more metaphysical abilities about her.

1:51:44 She just seems like a very physical being during the time that we know her. But maybe that was her down to a physical form and maybe hybrid and like releasing her of that is is material and now she's just, I don't know, going to work through Nestor or something else. But that would mean that Coach J and the Bone Carver and her are much, much, much more powerful than we have had reason to believe. Yeah, it would.

1:52:13 It would. I'm not 100%. I mean, I'm just, I'm not even like 20% on this. I think it's probably not that she's the mother and we'll do a mother episode at some point soon, I think, but I don't know. Yeah, I'm very excited to talk about ERD when we get to it. It is kind of continuing in this trend of like the powers on Prithian being kind of like disparate and not really unified under one specific entity, right?

1:52:38 Like we've talked about, my Lords, like the the power of the land is governed in factions and not actually unified under one person. Gods are forgotten. If this is, if these are like gods or fates of any type of the fact that they are like disparate and tied to like bound to some form or bound to some like specific place would be very Prithian. And you talked about Klotho also being like tied to fate as well. Yeah, she's one of the the faiths in Greek mythology. Yeah, Yeah.

1:53:12 I don't know. I mean, I would totally agree that the powers we have seen from Shree Go do not really line up with what I would expect from the mother. She's also not been very motherly, right? In terms of like being a mother, like like, like shepherding people on their on their paths. I mean, she's also, yeah, she's been like, she's been been an objectively malignant.

1:53:36 Character yeah I agree I agree but I think we don't know the terms of her. My only only argument for this is the ancient fae warrior that that bound her magic and confined her basically. That is, my only argument for how this could work is if somehow a fae was able to trap the mother basically, and then with her death, she was essentially unbound to the way that Ameren was, right?

1:54:00 Like we have seen this before, like, well, I guess Ameren didn't really die, but she did go into the cauldron. But basically, like in dying, she was able to come back and be the mother again. But I don't know, it's definitely out there. But we get a lot of descriptions of Shriga's hands. I'll leave it there.

1:54:17 I'll put it that up. Yeah. All right, Ronnie Precard Corner. I don't have one. All right, I have one. And I want you to forget everything I just said about Shreka being the mother, because I don't really believe it anyway. But however, I do think she could still be alive, and I do think she could just be Aranea.

1:54:39 I think it's possible that Aranea just is the Weaver, and I'm going to get into why. So you described you described Aranea. I'm just going to read it again. The Weaver was high, Faye, full figured and pale skin. A sheet of black hair had been braided back from her face, the length of the plate dropping over her the shoulder of her thick red sweater. Despite her pretty smile, her Gray eyes were quiet. There was no way of explaining it. Quiet and a little distant Strigas description above her young, supple body, beneath her black, beautiful hair. Her skin was Gray, wrinkled and sagging and dry and where eyes should have been gleamed instead, where eyes should have gleamed instead, like rotting

1:55:20 black pits. Her lips head withered to nothing but deep dark lines around a hole full of jagged stumps of teeth, like she had nod on too many bones. So the black Onyx hair fits right? They both both have this long black Onyx hair. Aaron A is wearing a red sweater. We don't really get into like color theory in this podcast, but red is typically not seen as good in Avatar world, right?

1:55:44 Like we have. We have Amorantha very what or anywhere, right? Well, we have Amorantha heavily associated with red. She's no good. We have all the Autumn Court meatheads. She's no good. We have the woman with the red nails who is slitting Fair's throat in her dreams. We have more. We think it's SUS at best.

1:56:04 Erenae is wearing a red sweater. I mentioned before we get a lot of descriptions of Shriega's hands. Here are three of those examples. She dashed for the flames as if she put them out with those flawless white hands, her mouth of rotted teeth open and screaming like there was nothing but black. Hell inside her, hell inside her on.

1:56:21 This is all Akimaf 21. She put that milk white hand on the ledge and I realized how little room there was between us. I was going to die here. I was going to be dragged down by those beautiful hands and ripped apart and eaten. So we get a lot of images of Strega's beautiful fucking hands, right?

1:56:38 Erinae's hands. We get some descriptions as well. They're not called beautiful. We get some descriptions. So her fingers mute. Her fingers moved beautifully, unfaltering despite her words. So she's weaving as she's talking to Farrah. And then the Weaver halted her work, deft finger stilling, and lifted her head. How can I help you?

1:56:57 Black hair. So we have the black hair that's consistent. The Gray eyes you mentioned before. The other characters we have a Gray eyes, I believe, are Jessa Baroga, who is not what she seems to be, the astronomer who I have many, many questions about Cameron. And I think Papa Archeron actually also had Gray eyes. Three out of four of those characters are certainly mysterious and much more than they seem to be. Srika doesn't have eyes when we meet her, so we don't know what color Srika's eyes are.

1:57:24 So I mean, basically my theory here is like, what? What would Shriega look like if she was no longer confined to this cottage? If she was no longer diminished, if she was returned to her full power and she wanted to, like, take on a fae form? I think she would probably look like this. I think this is pretty similar to what she would look like. And this Weaver A is weaving.

1:57:43 She is weaving. You called this out in the answer to this question. Farrah literally compares her to the Weaver in the wood and said this is nothing like the cottage. Like, well, yeah, it wouldn't be because she's not confined anymore, right? Like Reese broke her curse. Yeah. And she's weaving the fucking void.

1:57:59 Yeah. I don't know. I think she could be the Weaver reincarnated. I obviously think they'll be out there. This is my precog theory. I have nothing to back this up, Just an idea. Yeah. Yeah, OK, I'll do a live precog off the back of your precog. OK then. Her husband, who didn't come back from the war, was the king of Hyper.

1:58:18 I was thinking the bone Carver but yeah that works too. Obviously be grossed was the bone Carver. I know, but like the sadness thing. Well, the the King of Highburn was seductive to her. Literally. He said. How beautiful you are, He murmured, his voice a seductive croon. And it was like, familiar.

1:58:38 It was familiar. Oh yeah, I felt like they knew each other. Or he knew what she was, at least. Yeah, yeah, so. And she was mourning. She was mourning someone. If she has, if this Weaver is that Weaver reincarnated, who is she mourning? Well, I kind of figured the whole thing was bullshit, but yeah, I mean, that would work, too. You mean like the the Morning, the Morner story? Yeah.

1:58:59 Yeah. I thought that was all. Can I also say I hated this seed when I read it? I hated this scene, I thought it was so cheesy and overdone. I was not a fan. But if you read it again and you're looking for the void clues. It's interesting. Yeah. It was cheesy, I guess. It was like, yeah, the whole point was for Pharaoh to, like, appreciate that, you know, she had her mate and he did come back from the war, so she should just be happy. Yeah.

1:59:23 And then there's this whole second part where she's like, how do you keep creating? And she's like, I have to, I have to create. And I just was kind of like fucking eye roll. Yeah, I'm waiting Farah's art to actually. To matter, I mean something. Why don't you? Why don't you? Well, I guess she did paint what she saw in the Herb Burroughs, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:59:49 Cool, so do I really believe that she's Streaker reincarnated? No, but like she could go there if she wanted to. I'm not sure I would like it, but she could. Yeah, and do I believe that Shriega and the King of Hyburn banged once? Probably not. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I would explain how he so easily snapped her neck. That's the thing, she doesn't even fight him, she just lets him walk over and snap her neck like she's not dead. If she's vowed, she's not dead because she wasn't beheaded. Right, but if she, if she's a witch, is she, I don't know, smiled down at Shree's exquisite face. He took that face in his broad hands faster than she could move and snapped her neck.

2:00:27 Yeah. Did she think he was going to make out with her? Is that what you think was happening here? Maybe. Going along with this theory. I don't know. Also, why was Ameren sad? That was true grief shining in her eyes. No, the true grief was because she knew that Nesta was. She thought the Nesta was going to die. Yeah.

2:00:43 Yeah. Because Nesta was luring the King of Highburn away. Yep. OK. Yep. All right. That was fun. That was fun. All right, what are you reading? Alchemized. Alchemized. Cool. Alchemized. Still alchemized. It has been 24 hours since we last recorded and I'm still reading Alchemized. Yes. All right.

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