Marvel Zombies Specials & Nick Fury Returning For Secret Wars : GV 723 Highlight

0:00 Which right now, there's not much to say. There's a cool poster I guess I'll bring up in a second here. Like your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Season 2. What are you laughing at?

0:07 A poster for Zodiac?

0:09 No, for... Yeah, that one you just brought up. That's the poster, right? They didn't make a poster. I just got a panel for the comics. I'll just throw a logo.

0:18 Just red gloves.

0:19 For Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. I'll show you the poster.

0:21 Oh, yeah.

0:22 Fucking... Oh, my goodness. Talk about chills and juice and everything like that. Look at this poster right here. Look at that. Oh, man. Now, my point to this is, though, that this is coming out January 13th. For the podcast, it's as perfect as January's fucking dumb ground that has nothing. So maybe, and that's what they should do. If Zodiac comes out in a time where we have nothing going on, then yeah, sure. Maybe we'll review it and be like, okay, some content we talk about and everything. But if it's like dropping those summer seasons or those fall seasons... That is DOA. So you know what? What they're doing with Spider-Man Friendly Neighborhood? They should do that with Zodiac. They should drop it in time. Even that's when they dropped

1:01 Wonder Man. Wonder Man was like the end of January, start of February, somewhere there. But they should do that again. But yeah, great poster. That's coming January 13th. So that's a show we will be reviewing. So look out for that. What else do we have here? We got Deadpool. He's going to be appearing for the first time ever in X-Men 97.

1:20 That's fun.

1:22 I think they said they tried for X-Men 7, uh, 97 season one and they weren't allowed at that time, but I guess they're allowed to now. So, you know, good for them.

1:30 What's the hangup?

1:32 I think it's probably just at that time, like Reynolds was doing stuff. They didn't want like a crossover of like, ah, they're doing the movie. They don't want Deadpool in here.

1:39 So just like, that's a good thing though. Cause then people, I just feel like that's cross promotion and just props up your, your big head honcho project.

1:48 Right.

1:49 Whereas Ryan Reynolds is just like, no, I'm the only Deadpool.

1:53 I guess. I don't really feel like it makes a difference whatsoever. I just feel like if Deadpool was in X-Men 97 Season 1, I don't think it would have changed the Deadpool Wolverine box office at all.

2:03 Do you think he's as vulgar and whatnot? Because he's not swearing or anything in there.

2:08 I don't think he will be. I guess it's on Disney +, so they could make it a little more mature, but I don't think so. He'd be there to do jokes and everything.

2:14 Did they defeat Apocalypse at the end? He got like, his consciousness went away. I can't remember what happened in season two.

2:20 I'll just say no.

2:21 No.

2:22 Okay. So Deadpool could face off against him. No, he was kind of, I forgot. He was kind of contained. I forgot that Kirkland hasn't watched 97 season two yet, have you?

2:33 He's going to finish it after he finishes Vampire. Yeah.

2:37 Fucking crazy.

2:37 I haven't seen Wonder Man yet.

2:40 You don't have to worry about Wonder Man. That got canceled. So that can go lower on the list.

2:44 Well, I heard it's good.

2:45 Well, stop it. Ironheart. Season 4 coming in a year or two.

2:48 I forgot about Ironheart.

2:49 Yeah, you gotta do Ironheart first. No, uh, yeah, no, I think Apocalypse is contained right now.

2:57 Okay, good.

2:57 Yeah, good. He was worried. Threat to humanity. Uh, what else we have here? We got Sam Jackson in an interview. He confirmed he's gonna be back. He said he's back for Avengers. He's doing an interview. He's like, oh, the next one? And he's like, no, no, the one after. He said, I'm not in Doomsday. He just confirmed. That's cool.

3:14 My question was, I knew we kind of figured he would pop up in these movies. Is this it for him? Is this where they finally give him the heave-ho? Or because we're getting to a semi-reboot that they take it like, well, we need a Nick Fury around again.

3:30 Sun's getting real low, big guy, is my outlook on it. I think there's only so much juice left in that. lemonade or that lemon so let's make like a really good batch of lemonade on this last one let's not try and stretch this out you know just dilute it so we can have like a hundred new glasses of lemonade let's make one really good glass that's just fucking yummy we can say goodbye move on he can retire um maybe just go into the animated sphere do some voices oh yeah but uh yeah i i think i'm ready i think i'm ready to close the door on mr uh samuel jackson's career in.

4:08 The mcu If they're going to the year 2042, they got to keep this fucker around, right? Unless they recast and change him around. I feel like we're going to have many more Avengers films after Doomsday and Secret Wars. I feel like Nick Fury is a part of the Avengers, right? And so far up to this point, we've only had him shape-shifting with Gaia, the beard, trolling around on Earth, and then playing relaxing characters whatever in space. Uh, I just feel like we haven't gotten a proper, a proper version of him, but they've kept him around and they put him in all these different instances just to kind of dangle him around until I guess they need him for something. Um, and he's been in, uh, every single

4:54 Avengers film, I guess. Then Iron Man two.

4:57 And yeah, he's small roles.

4:59 In small roles, of course. Yeah. But he always pops in and kind of like, is that character that kind of like helps rally or does something. I don't think he didn't help really rally in, in end game. He was at the funeral.

5:11 Well, he was snapped. He couldn't rally anything. Right.

5:13 He was snapped. Yeah, that's true.

5:15 He just got, he just got snapped back. Well, where did they, well, cause technically, you know, I've never thought about this, right? When they, when Sam's back, he's on your left. How did they all get there?

5:31 Portals, right?

5:33 So that means everybody, like, Doctor Strange went to Wakanda to get Sam, and then he went to Titan to get Spider-Man.

5:39 No, no, no. No, he didn't go there. Because he was still on Titan. Doctor Strange shifted on Titan, right? Like, phased out.

5:45 Okay, so he's with them. How did he know where to go?

5:48 What do you mean?

5:49 So the battle in Endgame is on Earth. It's Avengers Compound.

5:54 Yeah, yeah.

5:55 So when he, whatever, they showed in Spider-Man Far From Home, when you snap back, you snap exactly where you were.

6:02 Yeah, so how do you know where to go?

6:04 Yeah, so when they just show up on Titan, they know.

6:07 He lived out all the alternatives, and he knew there was one path forward, so he knew, okay, the battle's happening here.

6:13 He's fine. What about the people from Wakanda?

6:16 What do you mean?

6:18 They were somewhere else. So people like Bucky and Sam, they were at Wakanda when they got snapped, right? So how did they make it to Endgame Battle?

6:25 For them, they were so ready to go. When they snapped back in, it was during that battle, right? For the first battle in Wakanda. Sure, at Wakanda. And all of a sudden, the portals open, and they look through the portal, and they see more of those fucking aliens through the portals.

6:37 But who got them?

6:38 You see a portal, you go in there. Well, Doctor Strange.

6:40 He got all these fuckers?

6:41 He created portals all simultaneously at the same time. And then you had Wong. Wong was creating portals, too.

6:46 Well, those portals opened up.

6:47 The fucking Wakanda.

6:50 Yeah!

6:52 They were ready.

6:53 They were ready for round two.

6:55 Oh, yeah, man. Okay, so here's my question, Taylor. Where was Nick Fury?

7:02 Oh, he was in there. He was next to Howard the Duck.

7:06 You haven't seen the encore Infinity War?

7:09 I guess not, yeah. It's just so funny that every single hero's back.

7:13 His portal opened up and he's like, I'm not going in there.

7:15 Fuck that. I need a drink. He didn't get a portal and none of the Netflix characters got a portal either.

7:23 He disappeared in the middle of the street, right? Yeah. Comes back in a car, hits him.

7:30 It's like the theory I love that after brand new day, when everyone like gets sent back, like Defoe gets sent back right to where the glider hits him. And he's like a good guy. It's like, that's Nick Fury.

7:42 He goes.

7:44 Yeah. Imagine he comes back. Where am I? No, don't hit that button. But yeah, Nick Fury just comes back. It's smoked. But, uh, Yeah, who knows? Yeah, I think it's time. I said this before. I think they should have killed him off in Endgame. Obviously, if Secret Invasion ended up being a great show, we would have went, oh, it's great he was around. But his uses post-Endgame in Far From Home, and there was something really good. That storyline they set up, I love the idea in Far From Home where obviously that was Talos betraying, which I didn't like that either now in retrospect where he's a Skrull.

8:18 I'm not a fan of that. You had that, but then you also had Nick Fury being like, question because he was gone for five years and he knew all this shit and was the guy to go to and what is the guy when the guy that knows everything about everybody has been gone for five years and doesn't know shit i thought that was a really interesting story you could play with secret invasion and nick fury they didn't do any of that so that interesting storyline's gone and i just don't even know like like what's he did did he go like Did he go to space with his... Right, his wife's a fucking Skrull. Remember? Remember that?

8:47 Did he go to space with his wife or something?

8:49 Right?

8:49 That's where they went?

8:50 Something like that.

8:51 Yeah. Like, I just don't even know what he's been doing. And here's the bad thing. I don't even care. And I love Sam Jackson and Nick Fury. They made me that I don't give a shit. They've put him in that category, just like Don Chills' Rhodey, that if I never saw them again, I'd be like, that's okay. That should not be the case with Samuel L. fucking Jackson.

9:07 Mace Windu. Jules. Like, that should not be the case. So my hope is, Secret Wars goes out like a hero. And then we get white Nick Fury and the whole internet freaks out because there's going to be a bunch of people that do not know what Nick Fury is white and I can't wait to see that go down. But what were you going to say, Tim?

9:21 Well, I mean, I only knew Nick Fury was white based on Ultimate Alliance. But the thing I wanted to allude to, how do you kill him off in Endgame? Does he like jump in front of Thanos and Thanos just fucking shanks him?

9:32 Thanos?

9:33 Yeah, like how does he die? He loses the thing.

9:36 Oh, that's right. How do you die in Endgame, hey? I think I'm trying to think what would be better. Is it better for him to die after portals or is it better for him to... I think there's a good full circle moment if he also doesn't get snapped and he's with the original Avengers. Like with the ones that were left like Cap and Steve and everything like that.

9:58 You could have snapped his wife so maybe he... a little distraught too because i think it's odd because did anyone no one came back from portals no one came back from portals and died right and in the it was widow it was tony and then cap like didn't die but he went away so no one came back directly and died So I don't think you could have that.

10:17 I don't think you could have Nick Fury walk through the portal and then him get fucking killed. So I'd say he's around the whole movie. Maybe he's not going to travel through time, but he's just the guy that presses the fucking button. You know? And then, yeah. I guess Thanos, right? Thanos and maybe he like... Who would he sacrifice himself for? Because it's not Captain Marvel. Actually, yeah.

10:41 You know what you do? You have Thanos kill Nick Fury right in front of Captain Marvel. And that would have made so much sense thematically. You had Captain Marvel right before Endgame.

10:49 He just decapitates his fucking head.

10:51 Well, that's what they were going to do. Have you ever heard of that? Watch what I do to your mentor. You know that's what they were going to do with Captain America and Thanos, right? That Thanos was going to show Captain America's decapitated head from a different multiverse. Like the one Endgame Thanos universe he was from, while Steve was standing there getting ready to fight, He was going to be holding a decapitated Captain America hat.

11:17 That would have been sweet.

11:18 Yeah, they took it out. So yeah, that's my pitch. Think about that. You get Captain Marvel. That movie sets up the Nick Fury-Captain Marvel relationship. And then the next movie, that's where it's like, hey, here's your fucking mentor. Because people can say, oh, Nick Fury was in Captain Marvel 2. It's like, so? All his appearances post-Endgame are like, so?

11:36 What did it achieve? It went nowhere. So yeah, Thanos kills him. Makes Thanos even more of an asshole. He kills the guy who put the Avengers together. I think there's a fun synchronicity there. So maybe if Doom do that, I just feel like it means less now. You know, like, unfortunately, if he dies, it's like, yeah, that makes sense. Him dying is going to feel like Hemdall dying in Infinity War, which fucking sucks, but that's where we're at, you know?

11:59 Yeah, that's fair.

12:00 So Mike says, what do you guys think about the rumors of Secret Wars getting delayed? So technically, obviously, I don't think... I could be wrong, Mike. I don't think there is rumors. I think there's speculation, because the shooting... for the movie has been kicked from november to january and obviously it's a little cautious because january and then the movie comes out that december so you got 11 months from what i've heard and what i've seen other people report is the reason they feel confident on that is because they've been doing a lot of the pre fx before uh or vfx vfxx oh fuck vfx there we go uh before so everything that's you know big powers big battles that's all done and the word is

12:39 like I don't know what I want to say here. It's an easier shoot than Doomsday. That's all I'll say. And that's why I think people are, I think that Marvel right now is less worried. I hope it doesn't get delayed because then if it gets delayed, you get that whole domino of, well, if X-Men's coming out May of that year, then that gets booed back and then Ghost Rider gets booed back and then Black Panther. So I think they'll hit it. And I think, I hope that they are working on the effects well and it's not going to look log trucky, you know?

13:08 So.

13:09 I don't think it's going to get delayed. I don't think they want to lose that December spot. I think it's just too... They'll do what they do. They'll put the movie out and they'll do the DLC later. Even Avengers Encore has different color grading. That's what they'll do. They'll just get it out there, make that money, and fix it after. We'll fix it in post.

13:23 Post, post.

13:25 Finally, Marvel Zombies has their follow-ups starting 2027. It's going to be an annual Halloween tradition. Like my mom, heading out there. You're going to get Marvel Zombies Winter Soldier 2027 You're going to get Marvel Zombies, The Fist of Khonshu in 2028. And then 2029, you're going to get The Last Guardian, which had Guardians Galaxy Colors, Marvel Zombies. So, 2027, 2028, 2029.

13:48 Kirk and Batzer. And these aren't seasons. I put that in the show notes. I was wrong. They're not seasons. They're just specials. So, I don't know if that's a special presentation or one long, like a movie. I don't know, but they're just one-offs. So, they're not seasons. I think they're going to be like only 40 to 50 minute thing, if that. Yeah. How do you feel about this? Obviously, we had the What If episode, we had the season, and now we're going to have these specials. How do you feel about this? Are you down for this? Are you kind of over it? Where are you?

14:16 I think this is awesome.

14:17 I like the evolution, I think, of the Marvel Zombies. They were introduced, What If, and then, of course, we had the season of the show. I think a special is... Really cool. Because it's, what, like 40 minutes around that range?

14:29 Probably will be, yeah.

14:31 Like themes, like you mentioned, like the Guardians font style. Like, I like that. Like, you just have a specific, I don't know, collection of something from the MCU. Like, going through, like, the Marvel, sorry, the Zombies. ordeal for lack of a better term and i i think that's i think it's fun i i think it's maybe we'll be better like pitching to new people also it's like well i don't really want to watch a whole show of something that i may or may not like um but just like you know 40 minutes especially that's pretty easy to consume that's basically the length of a lot of tv show you know like.

15:08 The like the the What am I looking for?

15:12 An HBO-type show or a Crave show or something like that. Taylor Sheridan project, probably the length of an episode, but just in a short.

15:19 I think that's really cool.

15:22 Do you like the ones they pick?

15:24 I was thrown off by that giant fucking.

15:28 What the fuck is going on here? I just credited him for.

15:31 He gave me shit for eating like an hour ago, and I'm done for the night.

15:35 Taylor's always late on here. He's going to be dead by heart disease by 43. What's going on? Usually you try to sneak the food. He just took a full fucking bite of whatever.

15:44 Madison's cooking over there.

15:47 No one would have known. The video listeners would have fucking saw.

15:51 It's all good.

15:57 Oh no, it happened.

15:58 What was your question? How do you feel about the selections?

16:01 Oh, what I was going to say before I answer that was I imagine they'll have different creatives running I don't think so. Maybe like different directors. Would it be directed the same?

16:11 I think it's going to be the same, uh, crew. Cause I just saw some lady being like, I'm so excited to work on these series. I think it's just like, I.

16:18 Think I'm indifferent on that. I think if it hits, that's fucking awesome. Then I'll see.

16:23 I want more.

16:23 But if it's like mid, like maybe you'd been more fun to like give someone else a swing at that. But, uh, I digress. And yeah, the, the ones that were pitched guardians, what were the other ones?

16:36 The fisticaw and shoe.

16:38 I think that's cool. That's, you know, Moon Knight, a show that I haven't revisited. I think there's some cool stuff that was introduced in that show. Khonshu seems pretty... That sounds like an interesting combo with zombies.

16:53 There was rumors going around from C-tier people, but there was rumors that, I don't know if it's a whole special, that Spider-Man was going to get the fist of Khonshu in this. So I don't know if it's Moon Knight and then to him, or if it's the fist of Khonshu, but it's actually Spider-Man. Which is like, I'm down to see, but you also already got... So it leaves Blade? I would assume so, yeah.

17:17 Or he dies, I guess. Yeah.

17:19 But I guess I'm just kind of confused if that does go that way, because we already got Friendly Neighborhood. I love Spider-Man, but I'd rather the Blade one.

17:27 He doesn't take away from that.

17:29 No, but it's like I'd rather other stuff. For Spider-Man, at least.

17:31 Yeah.

17:32 Yeah.

17:33 Fair enough.

17:35 They saw Brand New Day was the biggest movie of all time. They're like, okay, we got to fucking put Spider-Man in absolutely everything.

17:40 They're re-drawing over Blade right now as we speak. Yeah, I don't know.

17:49 What was the other one?

17:49 Was there one more? Winter Soldier.

17:53 The White Wolf, Shoveling Logs.

17:55 The White Wolf, Shoveling Logs. And one of those zombies that fucked him up. Yeah, no, I just.

18:03 I don't know.

18:03 I think overall I'm pretty thumbs up on the Marvel Zombies news.

18:09 Yeah. I'm in the middle. Marvel Zombies has been a mixed bag. That What If episode was great. That season was a mixed bag. And I just feel like it's almost... I don't want to say they gave up. I know it sounds harsh, but they left that season on a cliffhanger and there was rumors about season two. And it just feels like they're like, well, yeah, we don't really want to give you season two, but we'll throw you these three specials just because we need something for Halloween.

18:31 And it's like, Alright, again, just with Zodiac and this, I'm, I'm, I really am not caring about the, like, Marvel slate right now. These are easy enough to watch, but I think we'd probably just, like, watch them, record some news along with them or something, so it's not that. It's just, I don't know. There's some fun concepts, like the Conchu one, anything with Moon Knight I have to see, but honestly, the Spider-Man thing does get me a little less excited, but I have to see it. Um, and I get why they're spamming on TV, too, because they can do that.

18:54 They don't need to ask Sony and beg for fucking, you know, the rights to them. They have the TV rights, so I get that. Um... The Last Guardian could be fun. I think there's a really good story there to tell of the Guardians landing on Earth and everything being fucked up. I wonder who the Last Guardian would be out of the bunch. Who would be left?

19:19 Groot, because he probably couldn't get infected by a zombie bite.

19:23 That would be fun. Yeah, I like that theory of Groot. Even though if they find a way to make zombie Groot happen, then that'd be crazy. But maybe he has to fight Rocket Zombie, right? So I like that one. But yeah, I think there's just a good idea of, okay, they land and what's going on. Almost similar to what if Winter Soldier, zero interest. I'll have to see what they do, but zero interest in Marvel Zombie. Like, okay, cool.

19:46 There's not any characters you can pull from. Like the Winter Soldier, there's no those logs. Taylor, where are you? You're the Marvel Zombies guy.

19:54 I mean, I think that I wasn't super hyped on the Marvel Zombies one compared to the What If version. I think the What If version definitely had me a lot more stoked, but I mean, when I look at the three different options here, I didn't know that they were special projects or presentations like you had highlighted. So that definitely deters me a little bit. I would have preferred it to be three different seasons. That would have been awesome. 100%, yeah. Yeah, like Winter Soldier, I'm sure they're going to have some cameos or something cool in there.

20:30 I'm definitely down to see Bucky fight the zombies. I think that's kind of got a cool rhythm to it. And I can't remember what happened to his character in the What If version of... Because I remember he fought Cap, and Cap didn't die, because Cap came back and fought.

20:44 I thought he was dead in season one. Wasn't he the zombie?

20:47 No, he got decapitated as a zombie. Or not decapitated, he got cut in half as a zombie form against Winter Soldier, Bucky. And then he went, the cut in half Cap went to fight, what was his name, in the zombie show, Red Guardians. Remember, he was just half of himself when he fought Ray Guardian. Ray Guardian was kind of peeved. He's like, I'm going to have a battle with Captain America, but he's only half.

21:11 Oh, no, I didn't watch that.

21:12 Because he's crawling through the vents.

21:15 Yeah. So I.

21:19 Yeah, I think there's a lot of fun with the Winter Soldier here. I just can't remember if he died in the What If version or if he's still alive. But anyways, I think there's some ground there. The Khonshu stuff, him latching on to Spider-Man, let's do it. Let's just fucking go there. I'm so ready for that. I love that kind of stuff. I love that they can mix the powers around and share the gene pool a little bit.

21:40 I think that's super fun.

21:41 There's more to this because there's an image going around of him latching onto him. Have you seen that yet, Taylor?

21:47 No.

21:47 I fucking knew it.

21:53 I knew it.

21:53 It was his fault.

21:57 He said latching and that clip just popped to my head.

22:02 I'm down for more Spider-Man. I don't think they can do I don't think they can do too much. They just keep banking on him. He's great.

22:11 Of course, yeah.

22:13 Yeah. He's Spider-Man.

22:14 He's fucking Spider-Man.

22:16 And the last one was... The Last Guardian. The Last Guardian. Yeah, that could be fun. I don't know how the Guardians would get to Earth with the Nova Corps. It's just like, hey, this is a red zone. No one's flying here. Because we know that the Nova Corps basically has a blockade around the planet, right?

22:35 Sure, we know that, yeah.

22:37 Yeah, from Marvel Zombies?

22:39 As I just said, I need to re-watch that season. I don't remember it at all.

22:41 Because, yeah, they get to space thinking the Nova Corps can cure the zombie thing, and they get up there, and it's the Nova Corps. It's like, no, our cure is no cure. We're just keeping your planet blockaded.

22:50 I remember the Hulk. They used him as, like, some gamma thing to, like, do a bunch of experiments on. He's, like, holding it all down. I remember Scarlet Witch, Zombie Queen with the zombies eating things and the whatever. I remember the ending where it looks like, oh, the world's back, and then it's not. We lose a lot of people. Bishop.

23:08 So I remember some things, but not the Nova Corps. So you got me. Yeah. Yeah.

23:12 Fucking Nova Corps. But I mean, I'm, I'm curious to see what, uh, what that could entail, you know, the guardian showing up. And I guess this is all continuing the continue, continue con fuck continuity of everything here. Yeah. So I'm again, I'm, I'm down. I think Marvel zombies definitely has a place in my heart and there's still a lot of characters that they haven't dabbled into yet.

23:35 Right.

23:35 I mean, we get ghostwriter in here. You can throw in.

23:38 It's always the writer.

23:39 It's always the writer. You can put Wonder Man in here.

23:42 Yeah, yeah. You want to come back and....

23:48 Yeah, yeah.

23:48 He's just on set trying to do his business and some RKM value appears. Hey, you want to come back and voice Wonder Man in Marvel Zombies Season 8? I mean, fuck.

23:58 Easy paycheck.

23:59 Yeah. Some people still don't do it though, right?

24:02 Well, there's your team. Get Kit Harington back as Black Knight. Get Wonder Man, Doctor Doom, and Ghost Rider. There's your team.

24:08 Harry Styles.

24:10 Harry Styles, yeah. Thanos' brother.

24:13 Harry Styles.

24:14 He'll be on the show for two minutes.

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