Spider-Man In Fantastic 4 Sequel? Marvel BS Metre : WG Highlight

0:01 Alright, moving on over to the next one. Gwenpool will make a cameo appearance in Spider-Man Beyond the Spider-Verse. What do you think? What do you think is happening?

0:15 Gwenpool. I'm trying to think in the other Spider-Verses, other than all the myriad spider characters, was there any other cameos from other Marvel non-spider people? I can't really recall.

0:31 Like, not villains, right? Like, not, like, a specific villain or anything? Like, just, like, another hero? Is that kind of.

0:38 Like, yeah, like, a Steve Rogers never, like, pops in there, right? Like, I can't think of.

0:42 I don't think so.

0:42 I can't think of a single one.

0:45 I feel like there might be, like, certain imagery. Like, maybe there's, like, a shield or something. Not necessarily Cap's shield, but, like, Captain America's shield at some point. I feel like that has to have happened, but it's also, like, a Sony project, not, like, an MCU project. So, like... I don't think so. I don't think so.

1:03 I think for my personal interest in this, I guess it could be fun, but at the end of the day, it is stating that it's a cameo, so it's not like it'd be a meaty thing. Now, talking about being a co-starring role, maybe then I could get excited or not excited, but it's hard for me to feel one way or the other about potentially a cameo. And I didn't really like the second one that much, so I don't know if I'm, like, I'm not even, like, super stoked about this third one. I'll go see it, of course. Likelihood, though, I feel like, yeah, sure, why not? I don't see why there's any reason why not. It seems like a good place for a kind of wacky Deadpool variant, Spider-Gwen variant.

1:41 It seems like a cool, smart, interesting, fun place to do this kind of thing. So I'll go 50-50 for the BS meter of it all.

1:51 Nice. I was just doing a little Google on Gwenpool, and the first thing I saw was Gwenpool is not a version or variant of Deadpool. Apparently her last name is just Poole, and that is why she's called that.

2:05 But she kind of is like a fourth Wally and stuff, right?

2:09 Yeah, like her character origin, she's like a regular person that's transported to the Marvel Universe, so it feels like a Deadpool character because he talks to the reader, I think.

2:18 Multiple times. But it is Gwen Stacy, right?

2:21 Yeah. Well, Gwen pool is her name. Gwendolyn pool.

2:27 Oh, maybe she's like, those are her favorite characters. So she's like, I'm going to be a hybrid of these two characters.

2:34 Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I should a little, maybe I'm completely wrong too. And this little article I'm reading is let us know in the chat. If anyone knows, definitely let us know. I'm clearly out of my element right now. Not a popular character to me. Um, I mean, I thought it was a Gwen Stacy Deadpool variant, so if that's not the case, I feel like I'm even less interested in just the idea of a random person going to the Marvel Universe. Her name's Gwyneth Poole, and she just happens to look like Gwen, well, I guess Ghost Spider, if you want to call her that name.

3:11 We have Gwen Stacy in Spider-Verse already. She's an integral character, so I don't really need a variant of that. maybe quick cameo, you know, as, as the, the title suggests for this, um, BS meter topic. Like that might be funny if she like finds Gwen pool and there's like, you know, two of them or something like just doing the old Spider-Man thing or whatnot. I feel like you could get like a comedic something out of that, but I don't, I don't need her in the crew. So I, I think a quick cameo, I don't really need or like oppose that. I'm just incredibly neutral on, on that subject. And, In terms of it actually being in there, I think it could go either way, but I'll side on the more thumbs down. So I'll go 44% of it happening.

3:57 Still kind of close to 50, but yeah, a little bit lower on that one. I don't know, it just.

4:03 It's a measured response. I like that.

4:05 Thank you. I'm trying to be more scientific now that I'm in my 30s, you know, to really try and analyze things before I say them. But like, yeah, do we need a character like this? No, but like... Do they maybe want to just introduce another Deadpool like fourth wall breaking character that could just be wacky and new but like is also maybe more on like the Spider-Verse side so we don't really have to disturb Deadpool. We can have our own kind of version of that. Who knows?

4:31 It's a good place for it.

4:32 Yeah. Yeah. Cool look too. I do like the college.

4:35 What's your hype level for that movie generally speaking?

4:39 Spider-Verse? Yeah. I think I'm more hyped for it than Doomsday, honestly. I'm fucking hyped for the next Spider-Verse movie. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. Maybe it's just because I know Doomsday is around the corner, but I don't feel like the butterflies in my tummy when I think about that project right now. But Spider-Verse specifically, yeah, butterflies. Just picture what it's going to look like, what the soundtrack is going to be like.

5:05 Oh, that's coming out pretty soon too.

5:06 Okay. Yeah. And I also loved the second movie. I still like the first movie a little bit more, but in my mind, I still think both those movies are 10 out of 10s. They're just fun watches for myself. Awesome. I love the new elements that they introduce in the second movie and just thinking about that even more so on the third. I do think it's possible it could be my least favorite out of the three when that third one comes out. I could see myself liking that one the least, but still, I'm just so... with what they're able to make. It's just so great I live in this era that those projects were made. And it's just, yeah.

5:44 First Spider-Verse movie. One of my favorite movies of all time. Look at that. It's right there with me. I almost forgot it's right there. And there's actually another one right here off camera. I'm not going to show it to you right now. I'll have to take your word for it. Right there. Can you see it?

6:03 I see the poster. You're pointing the poster.

6:04 I know. I'm not trying to be like this. I'm trying to be like in that direction. It's behind the webcam. Oh, I see what you're doing. It was a terrible joke. I know. It was horrible. I'm so sorry about that. Let's go to an ad break right now just to save myself from that embarrassment. Be right back. All right.

6:19 We're back. I'm sorry for running you astray there, Dylan. We're going to keep going down our list of BS Meter topics. Sorry. Close my note there. After Secret Wars... there will be a Dr. Doom movie.

6:36 Discuss. Oh, God. Yeah, this is a.

6:38 It's like a statement more than anything.

6:40 That's a bombshell sentence to drop on someone, Chris. I don't know if you realize what you've done to me. Would you like me to reword it a little bit, maybe? Maybe have a little bit more of a.

6:50 Warming you up before I just drop the bomb right in your lap?

6:56 I don't need you to, but now I kind of know, I want to know how you'd butter up the questions. So yeah, I'll say yes.

7:01 Dylan Luss, are you excited for Doomsday?

7:06 I'm more excited for Doomsday than I am for Spider-Man being on the Spider-Verse.

7:11 You know what? That's fair. And 99% of the population are probably with you there. But you know the main character, Dr. Doom. I've heard of him.

7:18 Played by Robert Downey Jr., right?

7:22 Right. Yes, that's right. He used to play Iron Man. Now he's back.

7:26 Oh, yeah, he did. I forgot about that.

7:27 Potentially be playing a new character here. Maybe he's a variant of Tony Stark. Who knows? We'll have to watch the movie to find out. What do you think would be... Oh, my God. I already fucked that up. What about the possibility of a solo project with this character? And do you think it's bold enough for it to come after a movie where he's supposed to be the main villain. Yeah.

7:52 I mean, my first instinct when I saw this note earlier today was, okay, are they trying to veer in the direction of a Loki angle where Loki enters the MCU as a villain? He's the primary villain of an Avengers movie. but over time he becomes kind of an anti-hero and then he becomes a hero. And of course all this terrible stuff he did and all the people he killed, like all that still exists, but you know, he's a character that can be redeemed, but he also kind of goes on his own path, right? Like he goes and eventually gets his own solo TV show, two seasons of a TV show, no less, which is more than any other Marvel character can say in the MCU, other than like the animated crowd. Right. So yeah, I mean,

8:34 maybe that's what they're trying to do here. is open up the door. I don't know if I'm surprised or not surprised. Like Robert Downey Jr., I thought maybe come back to do a little bit of villain action and then he goes back to do some other stuff in Hollywood. Maybe he's kind of moved on from the MCU. But at the same time, goddamn, these movies make him bank.

8:53 And so he's just like along for the ride again and just, you know, 1,000 generations of his family tree will be, you know, satiated now because of him appearing in like two or three more movies. Like, yeah, I feel like this is a great career decision to go for, even if, you know, you're maybe hot off Oppenheimer and wanted to go down some like Oscar path.

9:14 Yeah.

9:15 I don't know. There's a lot of surprising things about this because I didn't really expect that Doctor Doom would be a character that would exist past then. And I don't really see a path for this where they make a solo movie where he is the villain and is going around killing a bunch of people and stealing a bunch of babies and stuff like that. So I have to imagine it would be them going down the kind of low-key route. And I think when you got someone like Robert Downey and a character like Doctor Doom, I think it makes sense to go the movie pathway instead of the TV show pathway, especially we've seen with Disney Plus and like the profitability of some of these shows is maybe not it. So maybe rather than the Loki

9:49 path of going to TV show, we go along with a movie. And so honestly, I think I see it like we've had this before. I think Scarlet Witch is probably gonna have a similar thing to or the last time we saw her she was certainly a villain maybe she's already been in these episodes of Vision Quest I have no idea I don't think so but you know I'm sure she'll have that that growth arc to where she was a villain I mean she's hero then villain presumably back to hero at some point which is always a fun realm to deal with and so yeah, I, I guess I, at this point, like there's precedent for, for this possibly just with the Loki stuff in particular. Um, so I, I could see it. Uh, what is my percent chance though? I think I'm, I'm just, it's gonna,

10:32 it's kind of a boring answer. I'm gonna go 50, 50 just cause I, I could really see it either way. Like I did not expect this, but now that you've propositioned it in front of me, you buttered it up for me, Kirkland. Like I could, I could definitely see it happening. Uh, I, I, I, I, again, if MCU is trying to chase those money bags right now, I feel like this is a great way to do it. So, uh, yeah, I, I, I could see it. And interest level, it's hard for me to say until I, I kind of get, get my eyes on doomsday and secret wars. Cause I also don't know like how much doom is going to be in secret wars or if it's going to be like a different villain for like, I don't, I have no freaking clue what's going to be going on there. So

11:09 hard for me to, to judge my, my actual hype level for it until I get some of these projects. But, You know, I know when we originally got the announcement for Robert Downey as Doom, I was pretty against it, right? And I like the idea of them recasting him. But it's just been so long now of me having that information that I'm just like kind of used to it now.

11:26 And so it doesn't really bother him anymore. So I guess I'm, and he is great. And I love the Art of Doom as a character. So it's like, yeah, yeah, I guess I'm okay with this too. Maybe not my most hype thing, but like, yeah, I'd be down for this project as well. So I just spewed a lot at you, but I don't know. Where are you at compared to me?

11:44 Uh, I think I'm right there with you. I think I have enough interest in the character alone and like trust. Maybe it's, maybe it's risky to do that, but I feel like I trust them to do the character well. Uh, like I, I'd be very surprised if I come out of doomsday and like, man, doom is such a joke of a character. Like, I, I don't think that is going to be the possible. I don't think it's gonna be possible. Um, but that would be very sad if I do come out of doomsday. And that is what I'm thinking just cause he is such a, iconic villain got downy back first Avengers project in like forever since end game. So like a lot riding on it. And I, I don't think I'm going to be coming out of like, I, I,

12:25 or sorry, I don't think I'm going in there with the expectations that it has to be like better than end game or infinity war or any of that. I just hope that I got those holy shit moments like in, in the theater and like really engaged in the project. Um, and doom obviously is a big part of that. Cause he is the main bad of this movie. he's got to have some fucking gravitas to him. I, I, I would say that's like bare minimum. He's got to have some gravitas and man, that trailer when he's rising up with the Sentinels, like that is, that is aura right there.

12:54 He's aura farming and I'm, I'm excited for it. Um, so yeah, all that being said, I, I am expecting to really like the character and I still don't think I necessarily need like a solo doom project. And I, I don't, I don't know. Like I'm, I'm kind of conflicted on that. Just, I think thinking about secret wars, I do think he is going to be like a pretty big piece of that movie. Um, but like, so like, what do you do with the soul project? Is it like his origin? Is it like him discovering, uh, Latveria or something like, like, like I guess there is many different realms. You can go to it or sorry, go with it. But, it's tough for me to like pinpoint exactly where it would be. So I would need to see more details, I guess. And I think you would

13:48 get some of those breadcrumbs out of doomsday. Uh, cause like, he's not dying in this project. It's not like, this is gonna be the last time we see this character, but like, it's also a character I could see, like you brought up the, the Loki, um, example. Like I could see it going that way. Maybe like, maybe down the line, you get like a whole series about, about the character. Um, And I imagine, like I said, I am expecting to really attach on to the character. Just because I already know about Doom. I already know that he is a very important character for many different characters in the universe. But I still don't know a lot about him. So there's still a lot for me to discover there. So my want.

14:30 Not like... I don't know. Right now, it's not super high. That could easily jump in many different directions. I'll go like 50... I don't know. I'll do like 55%, I think, on this one. I'll go a little bit over the hump of it happening. Just because I think he is going to be widely received well. But I could also be in a completely different ballpark. And maybe some people are going to be like, well, he's not Thanos, so he's trash. I could see that happening. I could see people comparing this Avengers movie to the previous ones. I think it's just a natural thing people would do. But I don't know. Hopefully it's, it's unique and different enough that we aren't really, uh, thinking about that comparison. Yeah.

15:18 All set. All right. Thank you. Um, all right. I think I had one more on here. Yeah. So we got, how do I butter this one up? Um, Spider-Man.

15:33 Spider-Man.

15:33 I don't know where I was going to go with that one.

15:35 I'm familiar with the concept. Yeah.

15:37 Yeah. Do you know Johnny Storm also?

15:40 Jonathan Storm.

15:41 I've heard of him. Some call him the Human Torch. In a great video game back in the day, Spider-Man Infinite, there was many races that you did around the city, and they were always against Johnny Storm.

15:55 That's cool.

15:56 I'm pretty sure even the PS1 Spider-Man, you do interact with Johnny Storm. As a kid who didn't really know much about Fantastic Four, Uh, I always wondered about what that tie is between Johnny and Spider-Man. And apparently there's some stories between the two of them. Apparently there's some story with the whole Fantastic Four and Spidey. Is that gripping to you at all? Is that like, man, I like Fantastic Four. Maybe you don't like Fantastic Four at all.

16:25 Obviously we watched the movie and there's some good times to be had in there. But, uh, I know you like Spidey at least. What do you think about the two of them maybe blending together? And, uh, What is it? The next Fantastic Four movie will feature Spider-Man. There you go. That was a horrible, horrible version of buttering that up.

16:42 I'm sorry.

16:44 There was some butter. There was some salt. There was some paprika. I feel like you just put a few different things in there. Some paprika.

16:51 Is that how you say it? Is that how you're supposed to say it?

16:53 No, I just like to say things in kind of weird ways.

16:56 I appreciate that. I have many different ways of saying random things.

17:01 You say paprika. Paprika.

17:03 Paprika. Yeah.

17:04 I say paprika sometimes, you know.

17:06 Paprika. Just a fun word.

17:08 No matter which way you say it, it's good.

17:09 How do you say edamame beans?

17:12 Edamame.

17:13 I say edamimi beans.

17:15 Edamimi?

17:16 Just to add some fun to my day.

17:17 You just kind of squish all the syllables together a little bit.

17:20 Yeah. Absolutely. Kind of like you squish it.

17:22 A lot. You kind of squish the edamame to pop the beans in. It's kind of like.

17:29 That. It's exactly what I do. Oh, you're on to me. You're on to me. Um.

17:33 Well, yeah, what would happen if you squished Spider-Man and Fantastic Four together? I think you'd get a pretty interesting movie. I think it's one of the early Fantastic Four or, like, Spider-Man appearances is, like, those characters crossing over. So there's a long history of this. I know there's, like, a very old comic book cover of Spider-Man there with the Fantastic Four, and it's cool to look back on that and see that connection. And you just brought up that.

17:57 I didn't know that, but that's really cool, and I think that makes a lot of sense. Like, the personality type of Human Torch and Spidey kind of go hand in hand. I could see those two instantly being friends and I feel like there's a lot of fun dynamics to be had there. So I think that there's a lot of potential for this and I think it would be fun and I'd be down to see it. I do think though, when it comes to the BS meter of it all, that this has a pretty low likelihood of happening. I think that one, there's always weird stuff with the rights when it comes to Spider-Man and just general stuff. Obviously, we see Spider-Man pop in Avengers movies.

18:34 But I don't know if a deal would be stricken in which Spider-Man would appear in a Fantastic Four movie. And that's specifically how this rumor is laid out. Not that the Fantastic Four would make an appearance in his movie. I feel like Spider-Man's got enough going on. He's kind of in his own separate realm right now. I feel like the Fantastic Four kind of have enough going on.

18:55 So as much fun as I think it would be, I just don't really see this happening. I feel like Spider-Man, you know, he'll get his solo movies, which are, you know, kind of top priority, especially after Brand New Day was as huge as it was. And, you know, I think he'll appear in the Avengers things. You know, he did appear in Captain America Civil War, which is not an Avengers movie, but it kind of is at the same time.

19:16 So there is press in this. It could happen. It could occur. But I just don't think it will. Call it a gut feeling. I just don't see this happening. And I feel like Spider-Man's not a character either that's really going to cameo in a movie like this. He's not going to pop in for one scene because the rights, again.

19:37 If MCU Marvel had full rights to Spider-Man, I'm sure they would make this happen. But they don't, right? They have limited usage of this character. And we don't even, we're not privy to all that information. But I don't think that they're going to, you know, move... What is that saying? Move land and sky? What is that saying?

19:55 Move land and... What is it? Move earth and sky? What's that saying?

19:59 That sounds like I've heard that before. But it doesn't sound right the way you're saying it.

20:04 It does not, right? Move.

20:06 Move mountains.

20:07 Move land. What is that? The sane.

20:10 Give a fish man for life.

20:12 Move earth and sky. Move heaven and earth. Move heaven and earth. Okay.

20:17 Yes.

20:17 Does that sound right? That still doesn't sound right.

20:19 That sounds right. Okay.

20:21 I don't think.

20:22 It's not anything you would ever say, I don't think, but I appreciate you diversifying.

20:25 I don't usually reference heaven. I don't think they're going to move heaven and earth to get Spider-Man in one of their Fantastic Four movies. I think that would be huge box office-wise for them. I think it would pay off in a big way, but I just don't think that's really what their goal is for either of those, uh, characters.

20:43 And especially cause like, yeah, I found this for like, I'm sure a lot of that's planned out in the works and I'm sure that like shifts around a lot in terms of what they're doing in production. And Spider-Man, it's always seems like it kind of comes together last minute where the rights happen and then they kind of green light it and they put the pedal to the metal and try to get it out as quick as possible in a good way. They make it quality of course. Uh, but yeah, it seems like kind of a different production schedule.

21:03 So I don't know. I don't, I don't see it's happening. So I'm going to go, uh, I don't know, 15% chance? Like, there is definitely, again, character-wise, it's a match made in heaven and earth, but I just don't think that they're actually going to make it happen, so I'm going to stick with 15% chance likelihood. What I wanted, though, that's quite high. I don't know, 90, I'll say. I really want it. I think that'd be really cool.

21:29 Yeah, I'm right there with you. I think this is, like, just something that's because especially like with Spidey and, um, uh, Johnny storm, but even just like all, all the, the cast there, I feel like for a long time, people have been like pitching that idea. So like, if I see this on like a rumor list, it's like, Oh yeah. Okay.

21:48 Same old, same old, like, like nothing out of the ordinary there. It's like, it's like wanting Deadpool and Spider-Man together. Like, yeah, obviously, obviously I want that. Obviously I'm not alone in wanting that, but like, uh, realistically is that going to happen? so yeah, my want would be like the 99th percentile, like very, very high up. Um, like I feel like it's a very low chance of it happening, but because brand new day was just like so massive, biggest movie ever. And like, I feel like that isn't anything to scoff about in the sense of, hey, we should probably squeeze this lemon, even if it is very complicated to work with Sony and get the rights to do a collab movie with the MCU. I feel like when you're talking about the

22:35 amount of money that that made, maybe that is something that they're going to work a little bit harder. You never know how this Doomsday stuff is going to go. I'm in the camp. I think it's going to be pretty successful, but who knows if it's not. what do you do to kind of correct the ship? I feel like a play like that is, is a big play and something that would really like, I, I think that would sell well, like just, just the fact that you get Tom Holland back, like, like the whole setup of just knowing that the guy from brand new day is going to be a part of, of this. Um, I think even if people didn't like see fantastic four, I think they look at those actors and, and yeah, I've seen that guy in, in a stranger things, you know,

23:15 I've seen Vanessa Kirby and a couple of things here and there Pedro, obviously, I've.

23:19 Seen that pile of rocks on the side of the ground.

23:22 I was going to say with Ben Grimm, yeah, I've heard that voice on the bear. But yeah, like maybe that is something that there's something there. So I don't think I'm going to like put it too high, even all that being said, but I think there's a little bit of an ember there. Like it's a little bit of warmth, nothing to really, Get a flame going, but there's some warmth there.

23:46 It's not quite a flame on, but it's close to a flame on.

23:48 Yeah. It's pre-flame. Pre-flame. We'll call it. He's pre-flaming. I'll go like 15% chance of it happening, I think. Yeah. That's where I'm there. But do I want it to happen? Absolutely. This would be so fun. Especially Tom Holland and Joseph Quinn. That's really fun. I think those two characters are very...

24:12 Or sorry, those actors are both very charismatic. the whole cast, too, if it has four, I think they would riff well with the Holland.

24:22 Would you rather get a Spider-Man movie where the Fantastic Four pop in for a sequence or a Fantastic Four movie where Spider-Man pops in for a sequence?

24:31 I would do Fantastic Four with Spidey in there, personally. I think I would, too. I think it's just too much to cram, like a gang of characters in a cameo slot. Mm-hmm. I feel like it might be like they were also not all there on the same shooting day or something. So it might like look really weird to like the actual execution of it. But, um, yeah, just getting like one actor to, to come into their, their project seems a little bit easier. And yeah, I think I just like it more personally.

25:00 Yeah, I agree. I agree.

25:02 Nice. All right. Well, that's the end of our Marvel BS meter topics for this week. Um, It looks like a short episode because this is episode number two, technically part two. I will splice them all together, so it is going to be one nice, long, juicy episode. Dylan Muss, my fellow whaler, thank you so much for joining me.

25:20 October edition of our Weekly Geek. This was an eventful episode. So much fun. I had a good time with you here.

25:28 Me as well, my friend.

25:29 Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. Anytime. I'll have you here anytime. That's it, ladies and gentlemen.

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