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Ant-Man's T-Wolves Put The League ON NOTICE, Giannis' Near Triple-Double & Duren's Preseason Debut! Part 2

Freitag, 16. Oktober 2026 · 1 h 20

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Gilbert Arenas, Nick Young, Evan Turner and Josiah Johnson bring you the best NBA show on the planet! This episode the couch discusses Jalen Duren message to Piston fans, Warrior's news Podziemski extension and Porzingis health update + more!

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Alright, we're going to move this over to the Motor City. So after a contract stalemate that lasted all offseason spilled into training camp, Detroit and All-NBA big man Jalen Dern finally settled on his five-year, $ 200 million extension. Dern met with the media after the deal was announced and the 22-year-old delivered this message to Pistons fans.

I am a Detroit Piston. I want to be a Detroit Piston for life. I want to give everything I've got for this city and the fans and For me to y'all, y'all will have everything I have. Y'all will get everything I can give. And to the city, I want the city to know that I truly do believe in what we're building. I truly do believe in the players and the organization and the coaches that we have.

And I want y'all to believe in me and my work ethic and my ability to want to grow as a man and a player.

So strong words there from the 22-year-old Duren. A lot of information this past summer, I think according to reports, He was upset that the Pistons viewed him as a fourth option. Pistons fans didn't view him as a second option, thought Asar Thompson was the second best player on the team. Wade Clausen in the contract, amongst other things, I think was eligible for like 280, ended up taking the 200.

But Durant made his preseason debut with Detroit on Wednesday night against the Wolves and offered this response to Ant-Man's warning to the rest of the league. Let's take a look at the highlights if we can. So, Durin missed Pistons training camp in the first two preseason games, but made up for lost time. In his 15 minutes of action all in the first half, Durin put up a game-high 24 points on an 8-for-9 shooting while going 8-for-8 from the line. Damn. Man.

Stop playing with him. Stop playing with that man. Stop playing with him.

That's a four-time defensive player of the year.

Right?

Look at him.

You get that money, boy.

Okay.

Oh, magic.

Magic.

Magic.

Looking like Giannis up there, boy.

What?

Magic ended the football. Like I said, went 8 for 8 from the field. He also had two steals and a block. K. Cunningham also working well with his big man. K. had 14 and 9 assists. You need that. You see how smart that play was? As he pitches, brought their ass to Minnesota and handed the Wolves the loss.

Straight row and, man.

That weight caused that.

Look at that. Strongest nigga alive. I'm about to wake up.

Wait till I get my money right.

This is... What was that I knew in Detroit?

We got Dern, John Collins. Got a good-looking squad out there. Like I said, Dern, 24 points, 15 minutes of action. Let's start with you, E.T. What did Jalen Dern show you in his preseason debut with the Pistons?

When he's ready for the season, you know, sometimes when you miss training camp, especially as a young dude... you know, it's towards your development, especially after the playoffs he had last year. You kind of wonder what he did during the offseason, but he looks great. Obviously, the chemistry's still there, and they're going to need him to be assertive and confident because, you know, he's one of their top options.

While you're looking at Jalen Dern, got a lot of criticism this offseason.

Hey, man, it's crazy how money will make you feel good out there.

He ain't playing with no pressure. He out there doing moves. Um, yeah.

I'm doing my move. I didn't see him dribble the ball like that, like he was doing out there. So, I'm telling you, when you get paid, you're feeling confidence. Now, they gave him $ 200, throwing lobs, doing in and outs to the lane. I didn't know he had all that, so. He didn't know he had it all.

That's what I'm saying.

You get that money.

I can do whatever I want. That's why I encourage net that first one. I give you if.

There's this little man, one.

Of those net that first one, get that.

200 in there.

Get your new silk sheets, whatever you got to do to celebrate, man.

And basketball is free.

It's the freest you can ever be.

That's crazy.

And that's why I be like, yo, hold on. I know you think you're worth this, but wait a minute. When you come into the league, the pressure of where you got drafted is a thing. That third year, trying to get that extension is a thing.

Once you get the money....

That year, brother, that's the best basketball you're going to play. Oh, that's the best basketball. You out here trying all kinds of things because they can't take it back.

He played like 24.

That's life right there.

That's 24 hours right there.

That motherfucker out here off the same leg.

What?

Never seen him do that. And he pointed to Kate. Kate.

That's the basketball I'll be like, yo, sign first. Once you get it, that next year, then you got three more years, four more years before you have to stress again.

So five-year, $ 200 million, fully guaranteed contract. Brother, you ain't got to play another game. I'm just going to be honest with you. This could be your last game right here. All 200 is coming to you. Stop. But that's the freedom.

That's the type of freedom we're talking about when you're talking about preparing every night to go out.

There and play. But is that a good or bad thing? It seems like some guys might get that bread and be like, I got the bread already. I'm good to go. It seems like he's really taking on the challenge.

I'm saying mentally you... Okay, the first part you said, mentally that's where you should.

It can go either way, though.

But the hunger of saying, hey, I want to go get 400 more now.

So you get the grind.

You know the grind of getting the 200, but the freedom of mentally just, I go out there and I really love this shit.

Especially at 22, 23, getting it early is, that's a different vibe than getting it.

27, 28.

Like, your freedom, your reputation in the league, just even how you get coached. You better not argue with that worth 200 million. You ain't got to worry.

Worry about nothing. Like, look at him. Like, look. It's preseason.

He ain't out there playing his basketball, but he ain't stressing.

Yeah, 24 points in 15 minutes.

Like, playoffs? When people talk about playoffs, it was this. Yeah. It was this money right here. Because you're talking about, I.

Got to play perfect in the playoffs to get my bread. So everything is playing. I'm out here stressing.

So you know what I mean?

He's free, so we should see a different approach to the game from him. It's going to be hard. It's going to be intense. But when you're talking about hitting shots, taking shots, being able to go out there and explore your game, you're going to see it a lot.

Obviously, I have a strong relation with Cade Cunningham. They've worked out in summers previously during kind of away from the team this summer, but in constant communication with Cade. Man, fuck the rest of the team. All I need to know is Cade.

I don't got to know the rest of them.

But that's this guy. Cade spoke up for him just talking about the importance of having that team. We talk about the new identity of this Piston squad losing beef stew, but you got John Collins coming in choking people like he. He's a choker, too? He choked on the books.

I don't know what's going on in that locker room.

I don't know if they got a sheet that gives all the rules.

Because you can't be John Collins for the years you've.

Been in here.

And you out here choking people off the jump. In preseason. We don't choke in preseason.

Let it be known. J.B. Bickerstaff was pleased. Did he get suspended?

The coach was happy.

I know he got kicked out the game, but let me see.

Because you know the suspension happens in Game one. Change that rule. I choked a nigga in preseason. Suspend me for preseason. Don't take out a real game.

A lot of people don't want to play in preseason.

He's giving a flagrant foul penalty. Just a little choke, okay? Just let him know.

A little warning, okay?

We talking about wood.

They got to choke a nigga's sheet.

Loophole, Gil. You got to choke two people by the end of the year.

Why don't you go to choke somebody, though?

Like, that's the first thing. You just got this jersey.

Gil, does that jersey make.

You feel like you want to choke somebody? Like, what made you say, you know, let's fuck the shit out of you?

Like, that's the whole thing.

I don't know if it's, I need to get one from the team. Thank you.

Authentic. I see the patch.

Yeah, I need to get one from the team to see if the team would. This might be from the store. And the team might come with some extra shit on it.

Come with some extra shit on it. But you look at what Jalen Dern was able to do, 24 points, 15 minutes, attacking, doing things we probably haven't seen him do a lot, but attacking and being aggressive. But I have to just re-ask, Gil, what are your expectations for Dern and the Pistons this season? Number one in the East last season went from 6th to 1st. Are they in that upper echelon still of East Coast teams? Are you really?

That was on Minnesota.

Are you really not? On the Viabra Wolves.

That wasn't on Brooklyn.

I'm going to just be honest with you.

Who are on that? Yeah. Let people know they're on that.

Like, I'm a Cade fan. I'm one of those guys, man, that because when you make a take like this, the star player takes it personal, right? Because it's like, you know what I mean? Like, we know you was one last year. And if I'm like, yeah, I think they're going to be five. usually the star player feels you attacking him directly. I want KD to have the MVP.

38-9-9.

But the team, the team itself, the team itself, like, I know when I see like role players. You know what I mean? I know when I see a whole bunch of like S500s.

Right?

It says 500.

That shit might be a real 450.

You just changed the emblems on it.

You might be an emblem changer. I'm just saying you might be an emblem changer.

Nah, you ain't about to keep throwing shots at the corner niggas. No, no, I'm just saying. I know when I see a role player.

Like, no, no, no.

Listen, back in the day, Hondas, being in the corner was Hondas. Y'all going against other Hondas.

Now there's goddamn Rolls Royces sitting in the corner.

This real Rollins is sitting.

In the corner, and I'm just saying he might not be prepared.

He might not.

Have all the equipment, cars to be in this race.

We're not talking about him.

Him, he is real Bugatti status. We're not questioning the Bugatti status. We're talking about is option two a real Ferrari? Is number three a real Lamborghini that's matching the rest of?

What is Jalen Dern? He like a Hummer.

He's like one of the Raptors from back in the day.

It's a cool Raptor. It's got the twin turbos on it.

It goes over the median.

It can go to 150 with the right tool. That's what we're checking.

But the.

Hummer's indestructible. It depends.

Which one, though?

The back in the day one? The metal one? Or the new electric one? Whatever he wants, brother.

No, not electric Hummers.

No, no, no.

Last year was electric. He didn't get charged in the playoffs. That's what they're saying. He didn't get charged in the playoffs. He forgot to plug it into the house.

You know what I mean? You sure he went with Diesel? I'd imagine straight Diesel in there. I'm still questioning.

I'm still, like, I don't see, like, how he's playing right now, that's not going to work in the playoffs.

Why not?

That's what hurt. That's what hurt Phoenix Hills with Amari. That's what hurt Blake Griffin in the playoffs, right? You can't rely on we're going to be picking and you're going to be rolling and you're going.

To be able to do.

Nah, they shutting it all down. It's like, no, you got to have one-on-one talent. So we're going to have to say, hey, we have to give you the ball and you're going to have to be able to go get a bucket. That's what the playoffs is about. The pick and roll and we get to do the dive and you can go hit.

That's not going to work.

Oh.

And that's what happens in the playoffs a little bit, so I got to.

I think that's going to work. He did a lot of smart plays on there. He had one where he could have attacked and went, seen K, went back to the handoff. You don't want to come off and get hit by Jaron Dern off the screen. A screen by that strong? They did that in the playoffs. What you did in the playoffs?

Same thing.

It's different.

He was missing, though. Now you're playing good. You feel good out there. You got confidence.

You'll be able to grow.

I want you to score 40.

And also, too, a lot of... Everybody can't score at 40.

But that's the thing.

In the playoffs, I'm going to shut down you to see if you can do it. I don't think you can do it. So we're going to shut them down. Let's see you do it. And that's what happens.

A lot of those buckets that we just watched was in transition and were, like, all quick plays. When you get in transition, any good team, it should be advantageous for you to score. So... Playoff basketball does become a half-court set, and it does, especially with the lack of shooters that they have. It's easy to stop a pick-and-roll role, man, trying to pick it out, and you call it that.

So it's not necessarily him as something's wrong with his game. It's just that if you don't have, let's say Draymond. You've got to treat him like Draymond. If Draymond don't have that drive, kick it to, you know, Klay. And you got that clay, you got these guys over there, and it's like, all right, Draymond, get it. Now Draymond scored 40.

Yeah.

Right, that's what they're going to do. Go, we're going to sit here, shoot that shot. We're going to sag it. We want you to shoot that shot. That's going to be him in the playoffs. So it's... That's.

What I'm worried about, that part of it.

Yeah, and he also needs a little bit more experience to become a one-on-one player because even if you try to say Giannis and Miami Heat, Giannis' first few years in the playoffs wasn't that good because he was struggling to go one-on-one and try to find his game and figure it out.

Like this whole.

All day in practice, all day in practice, I would be working with him just pick, pick, pop out, hit the shot, pick, pop out, hit the shot. You might not use it during the regular season.

Yeah, might not use.

But.

All those reps in, getting ready for playoffs, you're going to need that.

That's the shot you're going to need. Yeah. Huh?

What's their starting lineup? Janora Jenkins starting, Isaiah Joe coming off that bench.

Adanis? I don't know.

Adanis, I'm sorry. The legend.

No, I'm sorry.

Jenkins is all right, too, though.

So, right now, you got Duncan Robinson potentially in that starting lineup. So, you go, okay, Duncan Robinson, Asar, John Collins, Jalen Dern, also potential.

I like it, but I don't love it.

I like it. You got Isaiah Joe from the Thunder. So I'm saying you have some capable shooters. Yeah.

Yeah, and then I get real small if I'm putting them all in, right?

Yeah.

But you got some shooters. Isaiah Joe, 40% the past three years. Decent defense.

Now, who do I take out? You see why?

John Collins.

Because the person you will sacrifice, they kind of need defensively. 42% from three last season. But as I'm saying, you're a point guard or a shooting guard? You're a point guard. Shooting guard.

So you need to be in that asar.

That's your spot. The spot that I need the most, I already have Duncan Robinson as just my flat-out shooter. My shooting guard needs to be a shooting guard. I don't need a defensive. I need my shooting guard to be a shooting guard. So that's going to be always the battle with them is I'm going to have to take away height to put a smaller guard so a Sark can be on there to play defense.

And we can space the floor.

How much defense do you fucking need? How much defense do you need? I don't need fucking defense like that. I need to put a bucket in. I need to not frustrate my goddamn light-skinned guy.

But Collin's been to the playoffs. Danish Jenkins who can get to it, too.

Huh? Danish Jenkins?

What's his height? He was on that Hulk thing that night.

Say that again.

Eastern Conference.

Who do I take out the game to put my 6'4 shooter in? Asar or Collins?

Yeah.

And you need Duncan Robinson just to space the floor. And, you know, more shooters allows Jalen Dern to do better.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, like, to be honest, to be honest, Asara be one of those guys that it's like because we know they're coming off of you. So if I'm not highlighting you, if I'm not trying to get fucking four dunks a game from you, I don't know how I play you without hurting the rest of the team. on the offensive end. So I got to really look at the defensive part, like are you really shutting down? Are you really shutting down on this end to then shut down my offense? Because you're going to be playing defense against Jalen and what's his name?

Because I'm just going to use that guy to cover everything up. I'm going to put my neck guy, I'm going to put my neck guy on you, and he's just going to be there stopping all kinds of stuff. So unless I'm going to be saying, hey, if your guy even flinches, we're going for the lob. We're going for the lob.

We're going to do some duck-ins.

Like, I'm literally going to be trying to give you 15 to 20 points on just duck-ins and just keeping people play you honest.

If they don't have nothing like.

That in, your defensive player is playing defense on both sides for you.

And last playoff, Kade. You believe in Kade?

Yeah.

He could do some Atlanta Hawks shit with Trae Young.

Remember Trae Young? He could do something like that. What?

How he took his team to the Eastern Conference Finals with John Collins.

But he had another guard on there that got buckets.

I mean, Kevin Herter, he had the 27-point game. They had more scores than what you thought. You know what I mean? More of a threat. What are you talking about with Thompson? He doesn't really... score whatsoever yeah never.

Heard her on this pitching squad but obviously oh yeah not that kevin heard her from oh.

Another playmaker they have i just think one thing you got to make sure you space that floor last year kate you know he had a pretty good playoff run he turned the ball over heavily and that was coming averaging five or six turns a game and When you get down to that space and you want to make sure, like you said, Jalen Duren's ready to step up and make some plays, but also too, Cade is comfortable and he has his spots and, you know, flooring to operate because that's who's going to bring you home.

Yeah, like that. But see, that'll go down and like, you look at him like, oh man, he's turnover prone. No. Like he's trying to make plays.

You got to try to make stuff happen.

Yeah, I'm trying to make shit happen over here.

I done messed up because I've been in a dunker. It's like, bro, he's facing a three. It's like, no, I can't go there. Yeah.

I'm like, bro, what you doing?

It's like, I can't.

I ain't going to hit shit right there. Yeah, yeah.

Karan.

But Karan was a good three-point shooter, though.

He just didn't. He used to have to dribble before he shoot a lot.

Rhythm shooter.

Yeah.

So you'd be waiting for the ball for a minute.

He'd be like, bop.

He don't understand that pain.

To the end of his career.

Sometimes, he was a great shooter, though. Yeah.

The Karan Butler one.

Hell yeah.

Him and Rip might have been some of the best three-point shooters that didn't shoot the three.

Also, the game was different too. Karan, his mid-range was crazy. He was trying to post you up. And then also, as a basketball player, anytime you touch that interior, that's better for the rest of the team. You know what I mean?

So, damn if you do, damn if you don't. So, Pistons have a lot of assets. Several tradable first-round picks, Sunday second-round picks. We were talking about this previously, but what do you think that team is missing? What does that team need to get them over the hump? There's a player out there in the league or a combo of players. Who would excite you on this Pistons squad to make you think that they could actually be a legit threat to make a run in the Eastern Conference?

I said doable off the top of my head. I just think they need a two-guard that can go get it and score. Zach Levine, just at very least. Not screaming, Booker. and screaming at all these guys. It would be ideal, but it's just like a dude that's floating. They want to get rid of him, and he's literally going to fit in and be like, hey, you don't got to do shit, but just go get you a bucket like you've been doing. Okay, you're going to handle the rest, but we need bucket getters. Zach Levine's putting out 20 with his eyes closed, bro. He needs to be in a winning situation.

It seems like a realistic obviously play.

Averaging 20 and people just letting it go like it's nothing.

And the money's good, too. And I think, like, with Jalen Dern, when they didn't sign him for the 280, that was great because he's probably better off long-term as a third option. And then when you find that second option, which you really want to get and give him bread, if it wasn't the ideal Devin Booker, who they might not come off of, man, Zach Levine is just a steal, bro.

And how old is he? Probably 20, probably 30, around the same.

So Zach Levine, in the last year of his deal with the Kings, 31 years old, will turn 32 in March.

I mean, the way it looks, the way the game is going and how these guys are... Like, this 31 is basically the 25.

Yeah, 1,000. With that athleticism.

It's crazy that he's been in the league since 24.

He's going to be retiring, fucking jumping from the free throw line still.

In 10 years.

Yeah, so.

You just need him for K's next three. You know what I mean? That little run and call it, bro. Because that team, if you think you won 60 games... Even how they play at that high level, you go down a stretch. Pause. Cade is arguably a top-ten player, but coming down crunch time, he's one of the best players with the ball.

In his hands.

You need another. Because they played well when the little guard was playing with them.

Janice.

Yeah, see, just one more score helps out the rest of the team.

Even shit, Tobias Harris, what he did in the playoffs.

Janice held it down, too, obviously, when Cade was dealing with the punctual lung and all the other stuff. showing his scoring prowess.

Was they looking at Austin Reeves?

I think they were. But even then, I love Austin Reeves, but I would like Zach Levine instead of Austin Reeves ahead of that because the presence of Austin Reeves kind of makes your team more of like an open gym type of vibe. Not in a disrespectful sense, but you got to give him the ball to go do whatever he needs to do, and he's going to possibly give up 28 as well, you know?

I got some hoods back there, man. I got some hoods back there. That's what I'm saying. When you're talking about defense, just the name. The name here says defense. Right?

So I don't necessarily really need a whole bunch of– I don't need five people playing defense. Are they going at Duncan Robinson like that?

I know he don't play defense.

You're right.

No, you're not joking. I know he don't play no defense. Right?

But they're not ice on.

Hey, watch out. Move out the way. Let me go ahead of.

I got clotheslines just back there.

They've been doing this since the 80s. Technically 90s, but, you know what I.

Mean?

It was like 80s, 88, 89, 90.

You know what I mean?

So I need to get some. I need to. Pistons, listen. Uh-oh.

Look at your 0-4 team. And really look at them. Look at the gifts that they had offensively. And you can understand why they won the championship.

Right? Like, you have your only defensive player.

That's Tayshaun Prince.

But Tayshaun was a scorer.

Yeah.

He can hit the shot.

He can hit the middie. Yeah, he played deep. Rip Hamilton, right?

Middie King, run around, and he can hit the three. Then you got Big Shot, who's going to post every little guard up, pick and roll God. Then you had Rasheed Wallace, who can hit the three. He can post up. He can pass the ball. He can play deep. You had the perfect balance. You had four guys, offensively, was very skilled at what they did. So you couldn't sag off anybody. Yeah, they didn't have a go-to guy because they all were go-to guys.

Yeah.

And they just said, all right, look, we'll just share this shit. Make everybody run around and play, huh?

Michael Porter Jr. Would he be a good fit? Oh, hell no. Nope. I'm just thinking of teams that just need to get... I don't want.

Okay, what.

And I'm thinking about how K plays the game. You need a guy. Who can generate fouls themselves so he doesn't get fouls so much. Like when you start thinking about like being an elite guard, free throws is part of your game. Now, you don't want to be the guard who gets hit all the time.

Think about it.

Before we get into the penalty, right, six hits.

You don't want to have to.

Take all six hits for that. Like if I'm going to take six hits– 12 free throws.

Yeah.

So I need someone who can get those, get some of them. So when we in a penalty, I can get rewarded.

Don't hit me for free. Right?

Brunson gets hit too much for free, but Cat.

Sometimes helps him. Ant-Man gets hit for free.

Yeah. Zach get fouled? Zach Levine get fouled?

Sometimes.

Sometimes dudes like that.

But nobody jumping with that. And he jumps too high on free throws.

When's the last time you seen him dunk on somebody, though? Nobody's watching Sacramento.

Nobody's fucking standing on that rim when he's coming in the lane.

I don't know either. I think with Michael Porter Jr. too, he's such a secret weapon that you got to make sure your top two are elite. Michael Porter is kind of playing his own rhythm, his own style of game in my own personal opinion. It could shoot you in, shoot you out, and when he's one of your main people, you're going to naturally take on his identity in that sense, and that could be a Loose identity, bro. He won with Joker. Joker was a top five player around that time.

Jamal Murray, although it's his first time being an all-star, Jamal Murray been a top guard in the West for a long, long time doing dirt.

I'm just thinking of teams that just going to be playing for nothing. Playing for nothing? Like Brooklyn ain't going to go nowhere.

Yeah, but Michael, he's still in the room.

What about Trey Murphy III or something like that?

From New Orleans. Somebody from New Orleans.

And for some reason, Pelicans.

Like, they got a lot of them 3 and D's.

They got a lot of them.

3 and D's.

They need picks and everything. Now, you like Jalen Green? In that situation?

With him?

I don't know.

He be tweaking, G. You might have to have him come off the bench.

Sometimes you need a tweaker, man.

No, but hell no.

When you start watching him play, you're like, no, Shorty, you cold, but come here. You're going to be here until 7.38. No, because it's 7.30.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

When you... You want a playoff? Yeah, you need one of them.

You need somebody that's going to break that shit up. That could get hot. You need somebody that's coming in like, oh shit, he's attacking too much.

Yeah, but Jalen Green, sometimes his output is so up and down. You'll be like, bro, how you get 37 shots and make nine? You know what I mean? I feel like he's a six-man streaky shooter. I think he's still going to be great and he'll develop along like a Lou Will type of situation, but what you're asking for now.

Is I agree to Kate on the same roster. I look you know what you.

Know why I like each other Oh, yeah, they don't but I like yeah, you don't like each other when we on the same team.

Yeah He's balling right now.

Hmm.

He was balling last year like shooting like shooting like there's people that They want to make ten shots Elise scores or trying to make six, seven, but have 10 free throws, right? Like, to score 60, a nigga got to score 25 field goal. You got to make all 25 because you're a shooter. You want to shoot jump shots.

You want to fade, get away.

Like, free throw line.

Let me get to the free throw line. You know, because that's going to stop the clock for these two points.

We love free throws. Yeah, that's how you get it.

We love free throws. What about Jordan Poole in that situation? We just talked about Miami. I'm saying if we're going to bring up Jalen Green, I think Jordan Poole is a more mature version of that. You're saying try to get to the free throw line, manipulate the game, take those hits, come and chuck. Shorty's going to come and chuck.

He's got championship experience, and he's proving it. That's all I'm saying.

C.J.

McCullough.

I would love that. C.J. McCollum. That would be crazy. But you can't get rid of C.J. They need that. But I like the Trey Murphy situation. And they need picks. Detroit has a lot of picks to trade. That could help.

I like that Zach Levine has a potential option the final year to deal with the Kings. Obviously, they'll probably try to move him before the deadline.

The Kings just get a lot of meaningless business.

Bro. Man, meaningless?

That's going on a team. That's not on him, shit.

The fuck is meaningless buckets? What is that called?

I'm just saying. Man, no, he don't.

We talked about Melo going to It's going to be hard for him going into a structure.

I don't think Zach Levine ever has.

That was one of the things on LaMelo going to Minnesota, finally being in a winning situation, that structure team.

Who said that?

Who said Zach Levine can do structure, bro?

Levine only been to the playoffs one time in his career.

That's what I'm saying. That's because he played for the Bulls.

I know. I'm just saying.

That's what I'm saying.

After Derrick Rose and everybody left. But my point is, like, it would be nice for him to be in a situation where he might see a different Zach Levine when it's actually something to play for. Yeah, because we'll actually see him on TV. Oh, shit, that's Zach Levine.

That's Zach Levine.

He got a.

Little TV spot.

You know that Kevin Moran? Remember Kevin Moran? I like Kevin Murray. He's good.

He's nice.

For sure. I feel like Zach Levine was really vocal when he was in Chicago. He was trying to win and he was trying to compete. I think he could play in a system. He got a real NBA skill set, bro. He can throw it in.

All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. We'll shift over to the Western Conference. Steph Curry in the twilight of his career but still wants to be on a contender. But it's unclear if the Warriors front office is on the same page as the greatest player in franchise history. Warriors made an interesting move this weekend, signing Brandon Pajimski to a five-year, $ 110 million rookie-scale extension, which includes a mutual option allowing either side to opt in but not opt out of the final season of the deal, allowing both sides to reopen potential extension conversations that offseason. So last season, Pods averaged 14 points, five rebounds, four assists, while playing all 82 games, including 43 starts. So a

move that comes on the heels of of Steph signing a two-year extension, which includes a player option for the 28-29 season. Let's start with our resident NBA champion with the Golden State Warriors, Swaggy P. Nick Young.

Oh, my God.

Heavy in the bay. Know what it takes to get a championship on a championship-caliber team out there. What's your reaction to the Warriors giving Pods a five-year extension with a mutual option?

Oh, it's crazy.

I remember back in the day, you used to have to average like 20 just to get a meeting with the GMs. Like, just to sit down and be talked to. Right now, you average 13. They're giving you the keys to the team and trading.

This is crazy, man. But, hey, get your money.

Five of you, what?

110. Get your money. I like that.

I'm all for everybody getting their money, but it's just the way it happened.

You treat somebody else.

Like nothing, trade them, conveniently treat them a certain way, and then just pay this man out of, He was averaging less, traded Clay for this guy, put him in the starting lineup. I don't know what's wrong with Kerr. Kerr just sees something in him that a lot of people don't see, but get your money.

I agree with Nick. I just think they probably tried to make their bed and had to sleep in it. They let Kaminga go. James Wiseman, Jordan Poole, a lot of young talent, and even their future of their franchise. So when they're sitting here now, it's like, hey, the second Steph is done, we might be back under respect to the old days of the Warriors. So I think now they're like, man, we got to sign somebody. We got to get somebody back because the person behind them is 21 or somebody we never seen before. So shout out to Brandon Pajinski. But, you know, I think even with the championship nuggets, they signed Christian Braun to $ 100 million.

He was 5'1, 25 around the bottom. Let me double check that. He's trying to damn there. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I think you see teams like that reject that or regret those type of decisions. That's with lesser talent and even lesser future in the background. He averaged 29. It doesn't make sense.

This is a great contract for him.

At 23, bro.

It's a great contract. It's equivalent to in my era, who he would have been, right? And you're talking about, it's a five-year, $ 35 million contract.

Yeah. Right? So that's... Five-year, $ 35 million? Yeah.

That's like 22 or something, right? Huh? It's five years, 110, right?

No, it's 110 now, but if you equate it back, back in the day, it's a five-year... Seven-year, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, five-year, 30, it's about seven, you know, six, seven a year.

That's, You know what I mean?

I can't look at the total numbers and say, oh, yeah, you're making a– no, I got to look at it too.

Well, the way the cap is structured, that 22 million a year, three to four years from now is really going to be close.

That's why I got to look at you compared to the star. I got to see that far. So in our area, you're a $ 5 million to $ 7 million guy.

You know what I mean?

So that contract is– that's his contract.

I mean, I can't.

How do you think he molds well over the next five years? Do you believe in his development? Do you believe that 13 goes to maybe 18 and a two-way player per all-star count? You know what I mean?

No.

All my tears and sweat out there at the corner, nigga.

Niggas out here can't breathe.

What's the most you made? Fuck that.

I bust my ass.

All your blood, sweat, and corn on your chin.

I'm like Martin Luther King out there.

I laid the foundation.

That's why you're the Martin Luther King of corn on your neck.

Yeah, man. Laid the foundation. Took the lashes, the whoops.

110. The high-pressured hose.

Yeah.

I'm looking at it like.

I understand where you're coming from.

Your max number is.

360, 70. Like, that's, nigga, you are far off.

You're not even close to, you know what I mean?

That's a big jump.

I just wonder how it was maybe, obviously the media didn't cover it as much, but it was so effortless for him to get 110. And then Kaminga, like one of your top picks, there was no type of.

150.

Turn that down.

Oh, I forgot about the turn out hundred people.

His people said that they never offered the one his people said Would it took you to have the one thing?

Oh, he did that bro.

Yeah, you're gonna take it now that you didn't get it. I got You know, he got off he got When you're looking for the max, you're you're looking at a certain number. So when you don't get that it was just like the Jalen Jalen, right and We know they offered you $ 200. If you said, no, I'm good, you can't go back late and say, well, they didn't even offer it to me.

We know what the number was. He took it.

He's like, you know what? I'm going to take my $ 200.

But he also had the three for $ 75. I think he signed the two for whatever, $ 48. Goddamn.

What I'm saying is you're jumping. It's hard to tell someone that put yourself in the owner's.

Shoe, right?

And what I mean by that is, I'm giving you this three-year 75. You want to sign a two-year opt-out to try to dig more in my pocket.

Yeah, that was just crazy.

You know what I mean?

You're trying to dig more in my pocket. You want to come back and re-up.

Right? It's like, yo, I gave you a three-year deal. Like, I'm giving you a three-year deal for a reason.

You want to be like, oh, yeah, let me get three, and I'm going to opt out of the first one so I can re-up and get back in your pocket again.

Right?

Like, you're... What's wrong with that? Like, what's wrong with believing in yourself?

It ain't believing in you. Like, I'm a human, too.

And we trying to build something for the future.

I'm giving you this pack and I'm like, yo, settle like this. You Nicky Barnes. You don't have to do this. If I want to break it down and that's what it really is. I'm giving you this because I believe in you. You're like, nah, fuck all that. I'm a scientist, but I'm trying to come back. I'm going to try to hit you again next year. I'm going to try to hit you again.

A year after that.

Like, you're literally telling me you want to keep trying to put the gun to my head.

What would you tell your son to do if he was in that situation? Like, just in general. I'm wondering where the parents is at.

At the time, you're 20 years old when they offer this?

Yeah.

Same thing I told Darren.

Yeah. I'm going to look at your skill set.

I'm going to look across the board, and I'm going to say, this is what you're worth compared to them. So what is your number going, and what is the number that makes you cool? If you say 25 a year, all right, 25 a year.

You ask them for 50.

If they start off at 27, how long are you going to keep fighting? before the 27 becomes nine years. I mean, nine billion.

But do we know if that happened, though? Did that happen? Did they offer him that?

Yeah, but he said it for no reason.

Shit, man.

He said they didn't. Where are the parents at, G?

I don't even want to get into that. Let's just say he might be by himself in this.

Oh, no. You know what I mean?

It might be a rigged system. It might be. Well, good. We know the game is always rigged.

No, no, no, no.

I mean, on the side. You ever went to a lockout?

Yeah, I was in a lockout.

Yeah.

Let's just say if you're going into a lockout and I'm the owner, I mean, I'm the commissioner.

Yeah.

Whoever's speaking on the player side, we're making a deal before we even get to you. We're going to have to have an understanding.

Yeah. Right?

What you need. What you need to get your boys.

Derek Fisher.

I ain't throwing no.

Names out there. You want to be cold? You want to be in a big city? What do you need to make this happen? I'm not going to go into a lockout not knowing the results.

Yeah.

I know, okay, this is what you're going to say. Okay, we're just going to punch back and forth, get everybody excited.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I know, I already know what's going to happen.

Yeah.

Right?

And that's... You got to understand sometimes, like, you, the game is bigger than you. You got to understand where you fit in. And sometimes you want the whole loaf. Maybe you just got to take half this loaf right here. Another loaf is coming.

Later, right? But don't get left with no loaf.

Yeah, you're not lying.

You know what I mean? Don't be that guy, right?

Because you got to remember, they offer me this.

150, 110.

They're giving it to someone. I want that someone to be me right now. And then we can move forward. Remember I said that? I said, hey, it was three of them was up. You remember that? It was the Giddy or Cam or somebody. And I said, if you can look it up, I said, they all wanted what, 125?

What did they want? All of them wanted the same number.

I said, the first one to take 100, congratulations, the other.

Two are going to get fucked.

I don't even know if it was a week later, Giddy took that deal.

You give it to Pies. It wasn't y'all summer.

You give it to Pies. Your time is everything.

That's what I'm saying. They wasn't paying nobody that summer.

It doesn't feel like it's going to be anybody's summer for a long, other than just the big guys.

Put it like this. If those three guys was up this summer, they're all in the 200s. Gideon's signing the 200.

You think so? No.

I don't know.

The Bulls don't fuck up again.

I'm just saying the money wasn't available.

I don't feel like that money is like that anymore. It was like, Kat, you got to take $ 200, Carl Anthony. No, that's that team.

All right, but who's going to give you the $ 271?

But what I'm saying, that's that level.

But that Giddy level, he could have scored a 190 or 200 out of somebody. Today, not then. Nobody was getting more than 100. I already got the word. That's why I publicly said it. Hey, first one to take the 100, y'all good.

Other two going to get four.

Nobody go back and look at some of the shit I done said. I said, averaging 24, you get traded. You got released.

They tried to trade for you. They didn't want you.

They released you. Then you go another release you again. You won't be on the team next year. I'm back. I said it publicly.

Huh? If he was Paz.

I said it publicly.

Hey.

You got to be Caucasian. Man, if he was Paz.

That shit was smooth, though. What? If he was Paz. Paz Wade.

Very smooth. I don't mind it. But no, no, no, no. It ain't Paz. You take the money. Like, think Paz is going to take that money. Yeah.

And sometimes, too.

Like, now, if Paz was asking for $ 200 million. Oh, yeah.

You're going to get the fuck. If he's asking for $ 150. Now, you're going to get the fuck out of here.

$ 110 million.

All right, well, let's keep this moving.

You think Kamingo wanted 110?

No.

He wanted Max.

Name everybody who signed. Look at the deals they signed so you know what he wanted. That's K's, right?

Is that K?

That's Barnes.

That's Jalen. Yeah, that's that group, right?

Let me see it.

Either he's with Sangoon or he's the next year.

Let me see. Kaminga came in. You know I don't like doing work. 2022.

He came with Jalen Green, right?

It's a 2022 class, right?

He's on that G League team. Wasn't it? Together?

He came in 2021. 2021. So that's the Cade, Mobley, Scottie Barnes, Jalen Green, Suggs, Giddy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Giddy, like, so you... So that's what I'm saying.

So the money those guys is... What was he drafted at?

What number? I think it was taking seven. Yeah, lottery pick. So you're looking at everybody maxing out.

So you're like, I want max. You're not hearing nothing less than max. But he was averaging a dub, too, though. And he's your future.

I think you got to treat him a little better.

Yeah, Franz got the five for 224. So now, Franz got what? Five for 224. So do you really think he turned?

So do you really think 150 was good enough for him? I'm trying to tell you. You think 150 was good enough? At that moment.

Not at that moment. Giddy, who was the 6'5, got the 4 for 100, so I'm just saying. But that's before. No, but that's before.

I don't know.

They turned the money down already.

Giddy was turning his down because the rest of his class was two-something.

You might know, but.

So I'm like, $ 175, 000, $ 200, 000. If everybody signed $ 200, 000, $ 100, 000, $ 200, 000, $ 300, 000, $ 200, 000.

Shit, $ 200, 000.

At least $ 200, 000.

I don't think.

So $ 150, 000 is like, nah, man, we'll sign a smaller deal.

We're going to re-up.

I just thought around that time, the Warriors, everybody was kind of arguing about their contract. It was kind of tricky around that time. So... I mean, they offered Clay around, what, two years, 50? I just thought they were just tricky with the bread in general. They were screaming, we got to buy a new arena. Like, they was just.

Seated right on the wall.

And they just talking about, what about stat? Like, it was just all this stuff they were bringing up. So I was just like, hey, young fella, you like fifth in line. And Draymond ain't finna let you cut him for no bread. Hey, I'm taking that bread. I'm taking that.

You say what?

150, 125? I'm going to stay there right now. Can you throw in a house paid for in two little cars? In two little cars? I'll take that real quick.

Not in the San Francisco real estate economy. We cannot.

What?

We cannot. We get you some in Antioch. I don't give a fuck where you give it to me. Just give it to me.

Yeah, that was crazy, man.

Because that house money don't go in these books, and all you care about is the books. You don't actually care about the real money. You don't care about the.

You care about.

Tell this man he wasn't offered $ 150, 000.

I don't think he was offered anything. Turn that down. You're not right.

All right.

Todd, you always think you're fucking right. Shut the fuck up, Todd. Be wrong.

Was I right when I said whoever does the 100 is good?

The other two is going to get fake.

Then I said that because what were they all asking for? They all was publicly asking for what? They was asking for 30 something million a year.

He said he never got it.

I know he didn't get it.

He never was offered that.

He was offered it. He said he wasn't.

How you going to tell a motherfucker that was.

In it, in the room? Let me try this. You're Kaminga. Offer me the money. Offer me the money. Nah, we good.

Hey, man, they didn't even offer a shit.

Yeah, because he probably was so confident. He like 150. That's negotiated. That's the bottoms, probably.

Yeah, yeah.

He didn't hear the number because I didn't tell a nigga the number.

Yeah.

You see how that works?

And his agent known for tweeting him. Oh, you're saying they didn't tell him. His agent.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. Before we keep this thing moving, shout out to everybody in our chat. Appreciate you pulling up Gil's Arena five days a week. We're trying to give you all this all week long. But show your support. Show your love. Make sure you hit that like button right now.

Stop what you're doing. Hit that like button real quick. Trying to make sure it's still working. YouTube's been glitching lately. We're trying to check to see if that like button's still good to go. But let's keep this In the Warriors world, in other Warriors news, after being away from the team for the past few weeks while dealing with an undisclosed illness, Chris Stapps Porzingis returned to the Warriors facility Tuesday to meet with team doctors, with the team announcing he will remain out indefinitely due to the same health-related matter, but will be around the team. So Porzingis has missed training camp in the Warriors five preseason games because of his health issue. He broke his silence Wednesday

with the following post on the app formerly known as Twitter. Let's see what the unicorn had to say. He said, hello, people. I'm working with doctors and experts to figure out how to be fully back to good health ASAP. Honestly, I'm getting better and better. I just have to stay patient, and I believe I'll be feeling great again soon. It has definitely been frustrating dealing with some health stuff that you can't exactly pinpoint on top of injuries throughout my career.

So it's added up for sure, but we will get through it. Health is wealth. Thank you all for the support. He also added, I appreciate all the internet doctors trying to diagnose and help, but I'm in the best hands so everyone can relax now. And I don't have HIV or AIDS.

The fact that you got to say that. You said that for the work, not for the fans.

Anytime they don't disclose and you just come in and out, that's what they think.

Letting it be known, he does not have AIDS or the virus that causes AIDS, HIV. Porzingis previously diagnosed with POTS, an autonomic condition that can lead to extreme exhaustion or dizziness. Warriors still decided to give him a two-year $ 40 million pension last summer. But out of that $ 40 million, only $ 6 million guaranteed, with $ 3 million guaranteed for the second year prior to the 2027 deadline, which gives the Warriors cap flexibility. But knowing all this, along with how NBA-ready Yaxwell Lindenburg looks thus far, If I were to come to you, you're a resident Warriors expert. It seems that you are very, Caucasian Warriors getting bread that you should have gotten. Your reparations.

Went to a pause.

Pause and present.

I should have come into the arena with needles in his arm.

Hey, man. You still want some? You want 240?

240? Yeah, I take that.

Hey, Doc, give me that shit, though.

Now I'm dizzy signing deals and shit. I'm signing this shit.

Not AIDS or HIV. You got to let it go, man.

Nah, he said I ain't got AIDS and you still pay him.

Like, what the fuck is going on?

Stop. He had to say I don't got AIDS. Because people think he has a thing, man.

In fact, you still pay him after that, though.

I paid him before that.

No, what's that?

I got doctors, I take them.

I ain't got HIV.

I mean, if you have to walk into somewhere and be like, by the way, I don't have AIDS.

Because when you go into that contract room, I understand swag. Man. out of everything and told me. What?

My behavior issues and shit and I can come in there dizzy with needles and a fucking IV thing and you still pay me?

I ain't showed up in two weeks. I come back with an IV like this. Hey, man, I ain't got that shit. I want a couple dollars and you still give it to me? I'm done with this shit, man. I'm quick. I don't want to talk about sports.

You don't want to talk about sports anymore. I played two games swag. You got paid. I got the max.

You just got to hit them when their pockets is open.

You got to hit them. You got that deal June 30th, 2026.

You didn't come back.

Huh?

Yeah.

You didn't come back on IVs and go missing. You didn't come back with IVs.

And needles and shit. I just lived for three good weeks. I got 32 good minutes, boy, to get this next.

I remember that. But that's crazy. You don't have to show up.

Hey, Doc. Hit him with the numbing shit.

We're thinking, does that have HIV?

I got 30.

It's the first game. 30, second game. I'm cool. You could have won if I was healthy, though. Give me my money. Give me my money.

You could have won if I was healthy. In the middle of the playoffs, hit half court.

Oh, my God. I'm about to get paid.

Next game. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good.

You could have won if I was ready for next game.

Damn, we can beat LeBron. You keep playing?

I'm good.

You already tricked me last time. So, bring it to my question. How should the Warriors handle this poor Zingas?

Mystery this is crazy it ain't no mystery to them they wasn't they got doctors motherfuckers they.

Wasn't answering their phone calls and nothing.

Either though he showed up to the facility yeah they weren't communication with him i think but.

No not at first all right i'm gonna lie bro if i'm damn when i if i'm damn near dying i'm not picking up the phone for like that's what i'm not trying to speak hoop like fuck what y'all talking like i'm trying to live and just like that this That's what it basically seems like he's on, bro.

He's dizzy.

He's exhausted. Like, you trying to hoop? Shit, I'm dizzy and exhausted, too.

But all he did was he came there. He worked out at his speed.

I'm ready to sign. They signed him? Woo! All right.

Hey, you know that pod?

Uh-uh, I got that pods.

Hey, man, yeah, some shit got into me about that.

Pods. Pods.

Pods. Pods is a player.

But this is like the second time something like, well, Wiggins went missing, too, but he wasn't sick, though.

Remember?

He just connected. Yeah. Pods.

Pods. What's the realistic, like, how do you handle that? Like, what's the realistic return date? Like, can you play 30, 40 games a year? Like, how can you approach it, like, Last year, they were excited about the Steph Curry-Kristoff Porzingis two-man game and just having the opportunity to space the floor. So, it's like, is this an April thing?

You know what I mean?

Will he be around for that?

I mean, I don't know.

I really don't. Like, I'm too afraid to call anybody over there.

Yeah.

Right? Like, but....

You have your own medical staff. Y'all run all y'all tests, right? So the fact that you sign them. And you remember, when you sign a contract like that, you still got to get insurance and all of that.

Yeah, like all those tests.

Yeah, yeah.

So the fact that he has to come out, he's only coming out. To say this because the public thinks it.

Yeah, yeah.

There's nobody in the doctor's just like magic. You do your blood test, nigga, they're catching it.

Yeah.

Right?

So... I don't feel that bad.

You know what I mean?

Because you got to take certain tests now.

You say, Doc, I don't feel that bad.

But just so.

Doc, I don't feel that bad. Just so the public knows, if you have AIDS or the HIV, it has to be publicly known in the NBA because everybody has to sign off on it. So it's not something you can secretly play with. You got to, you got to, you got to.

You can play with it. If everybody votes.

You can't play with it secretly.

You can't play with it secretly. So if you have it, they got to come out there. Everybody got to be like, hey, are you going to wheel in the plane? You got to check it off. But he does not have AIDS or HIV, the virus. People don't know that. You got to publicly say it. If you're in any combat sport, any sport that has to do with other people.

But football, anything. You don't find out until you do the, like.

You get tested at the beginning of the season. Oh, you do do that. Oh, that shit.

Yeah, I forgot.

Remember, you got to do insurance every year.

The heart and all.

That. June 30th, 2026. Warriors say here's two-year $ 40 million. Obviously has some built-in protections. I think only $ 6 million of that $ 40 guaranteed. What did he say again? Only $ 6 million of that $ 40 guaranteed.

That's crazy. That's just enough to get our apartment. Wait, wait. How much is on the guarantee?

Six million of that 40. But if he stays the same, I think they got to give him the 20, and then next season, they only have to give him. That's a great signing, then.

Yeah. Yeah. You're going to get him for the right amount of games?

You're signing a nigga if you don't even know he's going to be able to play. For six million? With Steph Curry on your roster.

But you saved 40, though.

For six million?

You know he fucked up, though.

For six million?

But you know he fucked up.

No, I know I'm betting on myself. If I know I can go out there and play, then I'm going to get the 40, so I'm not worried about it.

Betting on you.

Worst case scenario, I get six. What's happening? This brings me to my larger discussion point. Are the Warriors tricking off Steph Curry's championship window?

They already had it, right?

They did it. What do you mean they got the four rings?

You don't want to keep trying to do it?

You can't.

This is Steph Curry, the greatest player in your franchise history. And he got four rings for it. The face of the light-skinned NBA. He got four rings for it. So just over here, take your breath, Steph.

You just want me to do the Wizards, Michael Jordan?

I'm confused on what you.

In whose history have the older guys went off into the sunset and the team was competitive at the end of their career?

Well, it was supposed to be for MJ, but then he wanted to play again.

No, but that was... But their team... There was no building. The team was... That was the window already. It was a championship window. There's six, seven years. So the Warriors, their Warriors window was the six, seven years.

They pulled four rings out.

Steph's got a lot more in the tank.

He got a lot more.

But the franchise being a dynasty the whole fucking 15 years is not even possible.

And Steph can't even get nobody to come play with him either. Besides Jimmy Butler, they got that trade from the Heat. He tore his knee up. That kind of set him back. He still kept Draymond for that chemistry, but what you have to do in order to keep Draymond, you give up a lot now in this day and age.

And it's just like, you can't get no free agents. You're paying for Zingas.

Couldn't get AD, couldn't get LeBron.

You're paying for Zingas.

AD said I'm cool too. I'd rather just be in DC.

KD said the same. You're paying pod. Clay said I was cool.

I'm out.

You're paying a nigga that got the pod.

But I'm saying it's really over. Even with Draymond, Draymond's contract was so good. Like, There's no point in trading him. You're not going to get nobody for that number that do what he does. But trying to build another dynasty?

It's over.

When you got the top two, seven picks and everything in that draft and you got lucky with that, they literally missed the mark.

Even just getting rid.

Of Jordan Poole.

You had the window open up a lot, but you missed the mark. You missed the draft. Steve Kerr, you didn't give no rope to the guy because you were still stuck in his window not realizing.

Today you need him.

You need the Jordan Poole, Wiseman, and now think about you need them today.

So those three years Those three.

Four years, they're ready now to add and help Steph. So you missed the window because you fucked up in the draft and got rid of those players.

And they didn't develop or treat them right. They were just like, yo, y'all ain't ready yet. Y'all ain't as good as these guys yet. And it was just, anytime a dynasty gets two top ten picks, that's just unheard of. You gotta trade away. You did all that. You pissed off Clay. There was just a lot that occurred.

Crazy, bro.

Yeah, now you got Shout out to POTS, but now he got $ 110 million as opposed to Jordan Poole.

Kaminga, $ 40 million, but does not have an HIV rate, so he got the $ 40.

What do you got, POTS, right? It's POTS?

POTS.

POTS, oh.

Where can you see Steph.

Go, though, if he wasn't playing?

Okay, look. Miami?

Can you go to Miami?

Like, Steph being Jordan is when he won a championship. He retired right there.

That's what Jordan did. But Steph wants to keep playing. The following year, y'all know what the Bulls did, right? They lost, yeah. Because they had to, we're breaking this up.

Like, we can't afford, we can't, y'all are champions. I can't afford Michael Jordan again, 30, 35 million. Dennis Rodman's going to want money. Pip's going to want money. Right, what was, didn't Pip sign a big deal going somewhere else?

Yeah.

They're not going to pay Pip his money. They didn't want to pay Pip.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was that, 100, what was that deal? Let me pull it up. Was it 100?

Wasn't Pip in like, they had to pay him because they were like, I've been doing all this work. Bad ass deal.

He was like the 10th paid person on there?

He was like the 72 Houston. Did he go to Rocky first?

No, I wasn't 10. His first contract.

It was terrible. 5 for 67?

Yeah.

They finally got some breath.

He couldn't get that with the Bulls.

Think about it.

All those guys were up as free agents, and you couldn't afford them anymore.

And everybody knew it was the last dance. It was over.

But it wasn't the last dance.

It was the last dance because I can't afford y'all. So you're talking about a team that was back-to-back, three-peat, knowing that there was nobody structurally ready to win yet. Like the only team that would have been close would have been because they got favored.

Was the Lakers.

Because Shaq and then Kobe was coming. Because you had, what, Glenn Rice.

So, yeah, Glenn Rice. Eddie Jones. So you had them.

And then that's where San Antonio pulled it out. But you would have beat San Antonio that year.

That was after the lockout, right?

Yeah, that was the lockout, yeah. So they would have beat San Antonio that year. So it's over.

And then they end up winning what?

Who won in 97?

13 games the next year, 17, 15, 21.

First win in 97?

Who won in 97? The Bulls. The Spurs started winning in 99.

Bulls won in 97, 98. Yeah.

And then after when Jordan retired.

That's what I'm saying.

Lakers was favorite, but San Antonio won. So Lakers was favorite, I think, seven straight years.

Really?

Yeah.

Yeah.

But Spurs won and then Lakers.

It was Bulls, Spurs, then Lakers.

Huh?

It was Bulls, Spurs, then Lakers.

Bulls, Bulls, Bulls. Bulls, 6-7-8.

Bulls, 6-7-8.

Spurs, 99. Lakers, Lakers, Lakers. Spurs again. Pistons, Spurs. Heat, Spurs. Celtics, Lakers, Lakers, Mavs. Heat, Heat.

Spurs, Warriors.

Do you want to see Steph on another team, though? I want to see whatever step. There has to be a fucking age where you don't question the shit they do.

I get it. Everybody's legacy.

Was some bullshit at the end. I ain't going to go besides MJ because he left after a championship, but Tim Duncan's last couple years, sadder than a motherfucker.

Man.

Right?

You're talking about Kobe, sadder than a motherfucker.

Right?

So everybody who stayed on one team, those years were sad. Because the team, my best player is old. My best, but the guy who's held to that is old and I got to rebuild. Dirt in the whiskey last couple years. That shit wasn't... Oh, my God. You know what I'm saying? And he retired. Like, Lord, but think about the years before he got to this shit.

Yeah.

He could have went and held the team, won the championship, put him over the top.

Well, shit. Before, probably, I wanted to see him team up with LeBron.

I did.

Who? Steph. Probably the Celtics. Maybe go to Boston. Me?

Oh, man.

If I'm them, listen, if I'm Katie, LeBron, and I'm going to team up together, why not? Let history talk about it.

Why not? Get it worse. Think about it.

I know people can't see it, but.

Think about it in 90.

It can't be 90, but it could be 90, but because Michael Jordan was just taking his reign, but if Bird and Larry didn't play together, like that's why the dream team was so fucking special.

That's why we love.

The dream teams and these redeemed teams because we.

Get to see the elite, elite, elite together.

Sometimes at a certain age, like right now, they, hey, y'all ain't gonna do it by y'allselves. Team up, let us come watch the three, the people who held the bitch down for the last two decades play together.

And they also really need it too because even, These young niggas ain't playing, bro. Edwards, like I said, during that finals run, how confident he got where he pushing Brown, he pushing KD. I'm like, bro, like, don't get distracted. Like, I didn't like seeing it. But it was very impressive because for the longest time, you didn't think you could see anybody touching those individuals.

So, like.

I just don't know how the game's evolving, but I would love to see those dudes just partner up.

And go crazy. Just be on the court. Like, be on the court.

Y'all was enemies.

Y'all was competitive this whole time.

It ain't y'all time no more.

This is the win bees. This is the shades. Y'all that old, that grown-ups. That grown-up movie. That grown-up movie. Do that one year. Go out there and feel good.

The Olympics when you said KD.

That Olympics was fucking great.

What?

The one I watched, I ain't... That shit was hard.

That shit was hard. I ain't gonna lie. Las Vegas.

Remember the footage of Kobe when they were playing versus Thunder, and I think James Harden, KD, and Russ was surrounded around him, basically telling him, like, bro, this shit over. It's our shit now. They kind of wanted Kobe to have somebody else, and they go, fight with him, but they surrounded him, like, taking out the king.

That shit felt... He did have meta....

No, no, yeah, but again, he's your bodyguard, but it's you. We together is about to take the crown from you, then we'll figure out how to finish it up later.

And Kobe was kind of like, you talking, but it's just like, damn, G, look. You outnumbered G.

It's not that I stop you right now, I'm going to stop you right now. You can't stop us all with your energy.

That's kind of like LeBron. He needed another two. KD the same way.

He's got Maxie, Jay LeBron.

I figured it out.

I figured them out.

I figured them out. Self went to work that second half. I said, you figured him out.

All right?

Good job. Yeah, he figured your ass out, all right?

He figured out your figure out. He figured you ain't 26 no more. It's time to try and finesse some bread on Polymarket. This is Put That on Something. We're going to give you a trade on the Polymarket app. You've got to pick a side and put that on something. So week six of the NFL season kicks off with a Thursday night football matchup between the Seahawks and Broncos.

Both squads finished in the top spot of their respective conferences last season with the Seahawks going on to win Super Bowl 60. Both teams off to a 3-2 start this season in need of a win. So 57% of traders are rolling with the Seahawks. to pull off the road upset while 43% are taking the Broncos. But let's take it to the couch. Swaggy, we'll start with you.

Who's winning, Thursday Night Football, Seahawks or Broncos?

I'm kind of undefeated on this. I'm going to go Denver.

Swaggy going Denver.

You owe me some money, don't you?

No, I just copied.

You, bro.

Well, don't copy me this time because I really think Seahawks are going to win.

Yeah.

I'm going Seahawks.

Yeah, I'm going Seahawks. I'm going Seahawks.

I'm going Seahawks.

I'm going Seahawks. I'm going Seahawks. Yeah, I'm going Seahawks. And you know what? No, no, no. Chat.

Yeah, I'm going to chat. I want my... Can y'all put a poll up? Let the chat get... Yeah.

This is tough.

The poll functionality... They playing in Denver, too, so... Playing in the Mile High City. Okay, he said Seahawks. Seahawks. Give me the Hawks.

Give me the Hawks.

I'm going Seahawks, too.

Give me the Seahawks. All right. So, Swaggy, you picked the Broncos.

I'm going Broncos, then. All right, but.

But working in your favor, you have been strategically.

We should have a poll.

Is it Broncos missing three or four secondary? Okay. What happened?

Starters.

It's like that Cowboys-Bucks game.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody thought Cowboys was going to smack them. Then you had employees telling Dak in the team. I got 10K on the Seahawks then. All right, well. Put that on something. I'm putting it on it. Sign me up. Put the number in. You've already signed up for a Polymarket account. You've already downloaded the Polymarket app.

I know, but I'm saying.

I told you, you got money on it.

I can't do that for you. That's not how this works. You got to put in your own work around here.

You can see who wins a lot.

You got to put in your own work around here. I'll be doing it. You got to put in your own work around here, Gil. That was Put That On Something presented by Polymarket. Download the Polymarket app. Use code ARENA to get $ 25 in bonus funds. We deposit just $ 10. Make your next move your best move. Join the revolution. Polymarket.

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Instant cash outs. The most accurate sports odds and forecasts in the world. Top flight of the world, Craig. Now it is time for Mostly Fans. Our final question of the day. Let's get the green screen going. We spend all this money on this green screen. We're going to use it every day.

You did this, the Shea Shea Man, you did all of the.

Oh, yeah.

I'm famous. I'm famous.

Was the wine good?

Yeah, that shit was good.

Shea Shea Man. Did you steal a bottle?

Yeah, I took like three of them, bitches. My dawg.

My dawg. As soon as you turn this back. You ain't got enough around there. They got enough.

Man, it's everywhere.

I know.

You did it, Shay Shay?

Huh? You ain't doing that club, Shay Shay? Yeah.

You did? Yeah. Who did it better? You did it for real?

I didn't know you was that famous. I thought you was just like Gil's Arena's famous.

Local famous. I did Shay Shay back when it was Shay Shay.

What is it now?

It's Cliff Shay Shay.

Episode 12.

It's before the liquor company come in. It's before the drinking.

Damn, back in 2020? Yeah, 2020. COVID. Shay Shay. I ain't get a real Shay Shay.

Yeah, you need to go. Get the real one. It's nice, man.

It's nice in there. A lot of people can't experience it. You got to be on a certain level.

I was like a founder. I was like, you know what I mean? It's kind of like how niggas did the COVID interview. I did COVID, baby. I was COVID. You was looking a little strung out. Like a lockout.

That's like a lockout, yeah.

I'm glad you're seeing better times now, Gil.

I was fat.

You was looking a little strung out.

Strung out.

All right. Well, let's get to our mostly fans. I got to put my reading glasses on. Give us none of my vision. I think it's a strong.

Yeah. You can use all the words.

It wasn't HIV or AIDS. OK, so first comment from Vito, the Phoenix that shout out to the ones really trying. Shout out to you as well, Vito, because we're trying out here trying to go home. Got a. No, B-Mac, hold on. We got a question from Aunt J7 said, what's good? Gills arena crew. Did any of you ever have a foreign teammate or someone with a strong accent speak to you and you unintentionally responded back to them, but in their accent? You said, LOL, I'm guilty. So Nick started speaking that foreign shit. Did you start shifting your accent to sound foreign too?

I've never done that, but when the homies stutter, I somehow will always like, what you doing? But other than that, nah.

I did. Zaza. What'd he do to you?

He'd be like, when he get rebounds and shit.

So I used to mess around with him a little bit. Jeremy Lin. I mean, not Jeremy Lin, but Yee.

Remember Yee?

Jeremy Lin, not Jeremy Lin.

One of them Yees. One of them Yees. God bless Gil Zerino. I had the early fours. The early fours? Yeah, I had. You foreign.

Of course, like, Duolingo type shit.

Shooting guard.

Shooting guard.

Yuri.

Was it Yuri? I had a Yuri. Yuri.

I had a Prejovich.

Oh, yeah. You remember him? Yeah.

Yeah.

Golden State, I had one. Oh. Oh, oh, oh.

The old Andre Burra.

No.

No. You had Kevin and Seraphim. Remember you used to fuck with him a lot?

Is that the black dude?

Yeah, Big Shitty.

Big Shitty, yeah.

Call him Big Shitty.

Big Shitty, yeah.

Seems like a big dude, man.

Yeah.

No, yeah, I used to, when I had to talk to him, talk to him in their language.

You would talk to them in their language?

Nah.

Mine was Uri. Uri Welsh? Uri Welsh, yeah. That's Oscar Torres from Venezuela. You had a Donald Foyle. Oh, wow. It's a habit. It is. Like stunting. That's my wife.

She's French.

Looking right at you right now.

Yeah. I'm a little French, a little bit. Oui, oui. Can I have a sandwich?

Sandwich. So we got a comment from Crown. Hey, he said, Mitch Johnson has to be held blame too. He did nothing to stop the Knicks runs. No clutch timeouts. Pop would never. We were talking about Spurs analytically. Winning the finals. Low key, he did.

He did. No, no, no.

He was smart.

And one thing that he did, he always challenged a perfect challenge.

With the little bench thing they were doing. No, no, no.

What happened was every time Cat got one of those weird fouls on Wimby, that would have set Wimby down. Like you're talking about like when Wimby has four and that fifth foul right there at the top of the fourth would get his ass set down. And he challenged it, always challenged it right, and it ended up sitting Cat down, and Wimby stayed. So that's why Cat was in foul trouble.

It was those challenges that they were doing. They called it every time. Got called on Wimby, got reversed, and got put on Cat. So those are, I think it was like 10 of them, 10 good ones.

So we have a comment from Life of Dwight3968, question actually. So you were talking earlier about awards and going back and awarding finals MVPs and other things like that. You said, how do you keep them from hindsight bias if they go back and add awards in history? Hindsight bias, not living in the moment.

Oh, yeah.

Not making decisions fueled by race. Yeah, because if you have, no, no, if you have like, let's say Bill Russell, right?

And he's won 11 rings and the bias would be not giving him six finals MVPs to pass Michael Jordan.

So you're that.

Okay.

I think that's what he's saying. It's shit like that, yeah.

But it's weird that you win an MVP and you're on second team All-NBA. That's crazy. Like, nigga, you ain't good enough to win to be on first team.

So we have a.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

No, but the person that's in.

Front of him is black. So you got Wilt. I mean, yeah, you got Wilt.

So it was like, yeah, we know he the best nigga to leave, but we're going to just give it to winning.

Just say, fuck it.

Wilt was 50 and 25, right? He didn't win MVP that year, right?

No, but he was the best. So they have him as the best player in the league. He's first team center. Bill Russell, second team. So three MVPs of Bill's. He was second team all NBA. So they didn't even consider him top five. Final question from a friend of the program, Gerald McCoy. Shout out, Gerald McCoy. Shout out to everything you're doing. Geraldini93, feel free to pull up. Talk your shit whenever you want.

He said, better suited for Rockets at PG, a pass-first playmaker like Van Vliet or Hallie, or a score-first playmaker like Kyrie or Ja? Which one is better suited for the Rockets? A pass-first playmaker or a score-first playmaker?

Well, I'll say Hallie because he can do both. He's going to have those boys running and moving, and then if shit gets tight, he can put the ball in the basket too. Hallie can go to any team and instantly make them over the top because his skill set, he can turn into both.

He can lead at both. Including the Indiana Pacers this season. trash.

All right.

I'm saying going somewhere where he actually can. Go somewhere else. You know what I mean?

Like, if you put him on any team outside of, like, his own team.

His own team.

Because his own team, like, he's doing so much heavy lifting on his own team.

He has that team.

You telling me, nigga? I agree with you. Imagine you as the number two option. We see Jalen Brown. We know what it looks like when a star lead. We know what Russell look like when KD left, one turns into a star. You're telling me everybody else on the team couldn't do nothing?

Like, y'all just accepted. Like, y'all just accepted the role. I'm the sixth man.

And I'm not going to bump into five.

I'm going to just be six while starting.

That's crazy.

Y'all be trying to.

Get paid, buddy.

That's real.

A whole nigga left. He gone. Y'all not trying to win. I'm out here.

What?

Yeah, that's crazy.

Larry Hughes got hurt on our team. He was the third option. Somehow, him leaving made me number one.

You ain't kidding.

I realized y'all not going to start Larry no more because y'all don't want to pay him the money. So y'all have to. Slow fucking down.

Slow down. Catch up.

Catch up.

They can't stop.

Me.

They can't stop me.

Ladies and gentlemen, that was 50-50. Look, if y'all think I'm bullshit, look at this stat.

Tell me if I was.

Now, you telling me they're going on some bullshit?

This is me.

Watch this. Y'all going to laugh. This is who I was. We got to go. Just watch.

This is about to be funny.

Look at this stat.

All this extra shit.

Look at this stat.

Here we go.

Wait, hold on.

You need your glasses or something?

No.

Hold on.

I can't wait until you get glasses, motherfucker.

What do I need glasses for?

All the shit you talked about my son.

What do I.

Need glasses for?

You look like you need it. Your eyes squinching and shit. You're always in front of a screen, so.

You don't have to wait.

That man had 39 and 13. Damn.

The next night, zero.

I had him in smash.

He had 39 and zero.

We played Portland, right?

And I got. You got hot. You hit your first couple shots.

I got.

No, I got.

What's the name on me? Who was it?

They put bigs out there. So it was like Derrick Anderson, Scottie Pippen, and Bonzi.

Oh, wow.

Because they didn't want to put the little guards on me because I just kept going.

Last time we played them, I'm just.

Going 1-4 flat and shit like that.

So they put a big lineup.

Yeah.

Fast break the whole time.

Zero points. Slow down.

Slow down. You know what, nigga? You're going to get two shots tonight.

Zero points is sick.

Lady Jump, that was mostly grand.

39.

He took two shots the next night.

Coach, he ain't got it. He ain't got it tonight.

I know his agent was mad. What?

He already got his money.

He already got his money. Get off the glass. Shout out to our amazing crew. Shout out. Glad to have you back in the country. Safe and sound.

I mean, I had my 22. Hey, man.

Shout out Jalen Dern getting his bread. Shout out to everybody in the chat. Chat, before you go for today, make sure you hit that like button one more time. If you have not done so already, we are keeping our eyes on you, monitoring who's liking, who's spiking the show. And shout out to the chat. A lot of interesting commentary today. We appreciate y'all for all your love and support showing up every day for this show. This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Polymarket and powered by Playmaker. We will see y'all tomorrow.

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