796. Lorien Fenton

0:20 Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host. And I have a great guest tonight, Lorian Fenton. I've known her for a number of years. I've been out to her conference out there. I had a wonderful time. She does great work. And she also has a show that she does. I've been on her show a couple of times and it's been really nice. And she's had a near-death experience and all kinds of things. A black triangle UFO incident. encounter. And we'll be talking about all that.

0:48 So I have to tell you next week, I'm actually going to be out of commission. So you won't see me in the chat, but I do have a show ready to launch. And that's this one right here. And it's a real good one. You don't want to miss it. So that's Tuesday, November 3rd at 8 p.m. Eastern. And the two guests that we have is filmmaker Adam Pilon and the Costa Rican attorney and UFO researcher Esteban Corenza and he speaks perfect English now he's been looking into this I've been very intrigued by this photo for many years it's called the Cote UFO photo right it was taken right over Lake Cote in Costa Rica Rico and it's just an amazing image as you can see here a lot of people have tried to debunk it but

1:33 it's passed the test of all these different things that could explain it so it's they're not saying in this film I've watched the film it's great they're not saying at all anything they're claiming it to be. They're just saying they don't know what it is. And I think that's always a very healthy approach to take. Anyway, it's a great video and this will be a good show next week. Following after that, I have a gentleman named Tony Woody, who had an amazing encounter in the Azores.

2:02 And I did a really nice in-person interview with him. So that's going to be our next show after that. And you don't want to miss that one either. That's a great one. And so, About the Allagash, the two, Jim Wiener and Charles Foltz, that I did their interview in my home also, boy, that has really gotten a lot of attention on YouTube. If you haven't seen it, it's chilling. It's a great encounter to check out, and that's here on the YouTube channel or in the podcast archive.

2:30 So be sure to stop by podcastufo.com and check out this week's blog by UFO history buff Charles Lear. This week is Views of the 1975 New Jersey Earthquake. North Hudson Park incident. And finally, a big thank you to all of you. Thank you all in chat. You've always been a great, great questions. And it's always nice to see this, the same suspects in here often, and always good to see you. Thank you for all you do and being here. And thank you everyone who supports the show and listens to the show. I've had some people, I met this guy contact in the desert and he said, I love your show. And I don't think I can go to sleep without listening to your show. Oh, So I'm putting some people to sleep. I think that's great.

3:13 And so anyway, I loved hearing that. But anyway, the people that come up to me in those events that have been listening for 10, 15 years and 15 years, it is coming up in just a few weeks. It's been a great pleasure. I love doing this show and I have no intention at all to quit. I want to keep going as long as I can. As long as I make sense, I should say. That's all I want to keep going. And enough of me blabbing away here.

3:41 It's time to bring in our guest. Welcome, Lorian. So glad to have you.

3:45 Hi. It's good to see you. It's been a while.

3:48 It has. Yes. I think I was on your show not all that long ago.

3:52 Yes, a couple months ago. But we didn't get to see each other because my show is just audio. I haven't made it to the leap of video yet.

4:01 It's just more things. I don't laugh.

4:02 I got a laugh about your story about the guy that some contact in the desert. Cause I was on the elevator at contact in the desert. And I was talking to Melinda Leslie. Who's one of my best friends. And this lady goes, she starts, she goes, Oh my God, she goes, are you Laurie and Fenton? And I said, yes, I thought it was a stalker, right? I'm like, what's going on here? And she goes, Oh, I listened to you all the time. I think you're so amazing. She was funny all over me. And I got so embarrassed.

4:32 I was like, I'll get me out of the elevator, but it was very sweet of her. Very sweet of her. I'm yeah. barely recognized anywhere i go i've been doing my show as you and i both figured out the same year i started my podcast that's right my radio show yeah so yeah we've been both doing this like what 16 years.

4:51 Now yeah mine's coming up on 15 mine's coming up on 15.

4:55 Just two weeks yeah i think mine is september or august of 2011 is when i started.

5:03 So I got to tell this story because I think some people get a kick out of it, of how I started this show. First of all, I had my studying in 2007 and I kind of put it away like I wasn't going to talk about it. I didn't want to tell anyone because I did get a little bit of ridicule right off the bat. But I was actually doing a show where I was interviewing comedians. I started out doing an antique and art podcast, which is still going today. And then I started actually doing some stand-up myself and got to meet all these comedians and thought, hey, I'll do a podcast today. And actually interviewed a couple of really good names in that world. Someone interviewed me and he asked me basically, he was a comedian in

5:41 Southern California. And he asked me, Ed Krasnick, that's his name, Ed Krasnick. And he asked me, what is the weirdest thing that ever happened to me? And so I did have a poltergeist experience, but I think I just said, oh, I had a UFO go right over my head in Carmel Valley. And then he started teasing me about getting probed, all the stuff they generally do. Trying to be funny.

6:03 So then he told me afterwards, hey, this podcast, this word UFO gets a lot of attention on the internet. I guess he was doing a lot of research on keywords all the way back in 2011. And so I was doing the comedy show with another person. I said, hey, let's switch over. Let's try UFOs like everyone's doing today.

6:24 Everyone's searching over the UFOs today, all the influencers and all that. And so I tried it, and I tried reaching out. I started really researching into the topic, reached out to everybody that I could find. And finally, Stephen Bennett, not Stephen Bennett, Bassett. Stephen Bassett said, I knew someone named Stephen Bennett. Stephen Bassett said, sure, I'll come on.

6:46 And so he was my very first number one out of 796 episodes. He was number one. No kidding.

6:55 I can't even remember who my first person was. It might've been like Laura Eisenhower, Andy Bishago were one of those guys. Cause those were the only people I had contact with early on. Cause my show started out as a conspiracy show. I was into JFK. I'm into JFK. I was producing JFK conferences back then. So it was like, yeah.

7:16 And I still up until 2016, I produced JFK conferences in Dallas. I still speak at the grassy knoll every year. I haven't, I spoke last year. I didn't speak the year before. Anyhow, it's just a two or three minute thing. And what my big stick is at JFK conference now is don't forget the women of JFK world, because we're the people, the women are the people that started it out.

7:40 Mary Farrell and made Brussels. And I can't remember all the other people's names, but it was like a handful of women and a guy named Penn and another guy. That really got the JFK conspiracy really going in Mark Lane, of course. But anyhow, long story short, that's what my kind of my show is about that. And then I got into spirituality and psychics and all that. Then the UFO thing just crap up. The next thing I know, I'm doing UFOs most of the time. I still do conspiracy.

8:11 I still do JFK. I still do ghost and Bigfoot when I can. But and oh, remember Jerry Pippen?

8:18 Yeah, I know that name.

8:20 Well, he was over at IRN and he wanted to interview me. I met him at a conference somewhere and I interviewed with him and the producer at the network said, oh my God, you're great. We want you to come over here and do a show. So the next thing I know, within six months of doing the show that I still have to this day on Revolution Radio, I am out at IRN and the next thing I know I'm doing a Mufon show and I'm like three shows a week. And I just got to the point where one night I fell asleep at the very last five minutes of the show.

8:55 And I haven't done that yet.

8:57 Yeah. Oh God. It was scary. I was working like 19, 25 hours a day, literally. And I just fell asleep. But I said, you know what? I can't do this many shows. I can only do one a week. That's it. I don't have time to work a full-time job, do this too, whatever. Anyhow. So here we are. Yeah.

9:14 Oh, fun. So I know you had, someone's already asking a question about your near-death experience. So you became involved following a near-death experience in the UFO world. You had that in 2009. Can you tell about that and what happened? Oh, sure, sure. I'd be happy to. Well, I'm sorry. It's basically that, yes.

9:37 Yeah, that's cool. In 2009, I contracted what the doctors thought was H1N1 or HN9 or whatever was going around in 2009. And I'm sorry about the lighting, folks. I've tried everything. I think my camera is kind of dark today. So there we go. But in 2009, I got sick. I got really sick. sick. And I'll kind of never forget it because the next thing I know, it started out on a Monday. I'm really sick. So I go to the clinic, the whatever clinics they have back then.

10:13 And I go in, they go, you probably got the flu. Go home, get some rest, whatever. And they checked my lungs to make sure because I've had pneumonia before. And so they were worried about me getting pneumonia again. And I said, OK, fine. So I go home and by Wednesday, I'm really not well. I've got 102 fever and I'm really sick. And so I go to the ER and they say, oh, you've got pneumonia. And but your lungs are clear. You're probably just starting in. Take antibiotics. You'll be fine. Blah, blah, blah. By Friday, my roommate finds me.

10:48 laying next to my bed i've got about 104 105 fever i am really sick and i'm telling him to tell the babies to stop crying and the geese and i said the geese are flying out of my chest and he's like what are you talking i was delirious and i kept seeing geese flying out of my chest i was hearing The sound of the raspiness that comes when your lungs are full. And it was sounded like geese honking. So I was imagining geese flying out of me.

11:22 And I kept hearing a baby crying next door. And I kept telling him, tell the baby to stop crying. So he knew I was in trouble. He helps me up and we get in the car and we get to the ER. And the only place to park that night was where the ambulance went. So he pulls in to where the ambulance is and there's all glass at this hospital. And the doctor that saw me on Wednesday, I could see him. He looked up from what he was doing across the whole ER thing and he started running towards the car. And I thought, oh, this is not good. And he runs up, they grab a wheelchair, they throw me in the wheelchair, and they get me on a bed, and my pulse ox is down to nothing.

12:04 I think it was five or something horrible. And he yells at my roommate and says, she's going to die if I don't do something quick. Do I have permission? Does she have a, what do they call that, a health directive, whatever? My roommate said, I have no idea. He goes, that's fine. I don't care. The next thing I know, he goes, this is going to hurt. And I'm like, okay. And because I'm so out of that, I don't even know what's going on. And this is not to be graphic folks, but they took a needle or a knife and they cut into my jugular vein and put a tube down to my heart. I can't remember the name of the tube, but they put a tube directly down my main vein into my heart and it had three port and they sewed it in. And

12:46 then they put three, it had three little prongs off of it where you could plug in liquids. So the next thing I know, I've got this thing sticking out of my neck and there's three nurses come running in and they each have a different bag and each bag has a different antibiotic in it. And they range from light, medium to dark. So I always called them my beer antibiotics because they had different shades. Anyhow, and they're standing there pumping all these antibiotics into me. And within five minutes, I started feeling a little better and my fever started going down. So they knew that one of them was working.

13:24 They just didn't know which one yet. So they piled them. And here's the funny part of the story. They pile all the antibiotics on me and put a blanket on me and the whole bit. And they take, they're taking me up to ICU because they're not sure I'm going to make it through the night. But so I, they put me on the elevator and there's a, and the girl just hits the button and it goes up by itself.

13:47 No one's in there with me, which is kind of weird. I always thought that was strange. But I get up to the next floor and the doors open and there's Jerry Garcia. And I'm like, oh, Jerry, am I dead? What are we doing here? And he's laughing and he goes, oh, no, you're in Marin County Hospital in Novato. No, you're fine.

14:07 But I go, yeah, that's right.

14:09 You live there. That's right.

14:10 Yeah. That's right. And I had met Jerry and I knew Phil Lash. And so this was, I hadn't seen him for 20 years before he, or 10 years before he died. And it'd been like 20 years since he died. So anyhow, point being, I'm like, Jerry, are you sure I'm not dead? I kept arguing with him. And he takes me into my room and he says, do you need to go to the restroom? And I said, not with you watching, I know. And I said, I don't care if you're dead or not. You're not watching me pee. Yeah.

14:38 So I go to the bathroom, I get in bed and he goes, okay, you have a good night. And I said, okay, I'll say hi to the angels for you, Jerry. Anyhow. So the next day, here's the weird part. They start coming in hazmat suits. They're all covered in bubble stuff. And I'm like, what? I guess I triggered a CDC protocol because they could not figure out what I had.

15:03 And this is the weird part of the story. So I'm in there. I finally get better. It turns out this guy is a Jerry Garcia lookalike. And he makes his living on weekends in a cover band for the Grateful Dead. So I wasn't imagining he's a dead ringer for him. And they say that everybody in Marin County that ends up in the ICU thinks they're dead because Jerry's there. So it's like a common occurrence. I just laugh.

15:30 It's so funny. So, okay, to finish off the story about the near-death experience, while I was in the hospital, a lot of things, I kept seeing things and having weird visions and stuff. But here's the kicker. They said, if you ever get pneumonia again, you've got to go straight to the ER because your lungs are really trashed.

15:48 And I knew that. I've been sick off and on my whole life with my lung thing. So finally, about a year later, I start getting sick again. And I go to the hospital. And I've been telling people that I thought it wasn't pneumonia. I kept saying that for the whole time it was happening. I kept saying, I don't think it was pneumonia because... They never did figure out what it was. They kept me isolated from everybody in the hospital. I was in a room by myself with four beds and that never happens in the hospital.

16:21 And I was like, why did they leave me alone for two weeks? I was stuck in there for two weeks with a bag hanging out of my arm. And so finally they let me go. They say, okay, if anything happens, come back. So I went back. And I'm in the ER, and the nurse that came in, I'd never seen her before, and I was a frequent flyer to this ER. And I said, oh, where are you from?

16:41 She goes, oh, I'm a traveling doctor. I'm trying to figure out where I want to land my career, blah, blah, blah. She goes, oh, let me go look at your chart from when you were– I saw that you were here last year, and you were here with us for a while. I said, yeah. She goes, I'm going to go look at it. So she looks at it. She sits on the end of the bed. And she opens up the chart and she looks at the paper print out of the x-rays. They don't do the x-rays anymore. They print them out. Right. So she's looking at it and she goes, Oh my God. She goes, look at this. And she holds it up to me. And it looks like little cotton balls all throughout my, like popcorn piled on top of each other in my lungs. And it's perfectly circular. Okay.

17:20 And I'm like, okay, that's really weird. She looks at me and goes, it is very weird. She goes, that's not pneumonia. Yeah. Because when you see pneumonia on a lung, it's black because it's water that's in there, usually. But these were solid white. They were masses, like a bunch of tumors in there. And she goes, I don't know what this is. And she goes, oh. And she had told me, I just got through working at Fort Detrick.

17:45 I'm an army doctor. And I said, oh, that's cool. She goes, I'm transitioning to personal life. I'm like, okay, cool. And she goes, God, if I didn't know better, I'd swear that's a man-made virus. Then she said it under her breath. And I was like, oh, that was weird. And then she slams the thing shut, says, you'll be fine and walks out of the room. And I'm thinking, oh, that was so weird. I don't even get it. A year later, I'm still complaining that something's not right with what I got. Okay. And a friend of mine that used to work at the Presidio army base said, Thought I was crazy for two years. He calls me one afternoon.

18:25 He's out of breath. He goes, I just came from my hairdresser. I said, who cares? And he says, no, you got to understand. I now believe you. He goes, I think you're onto something. I go, what do you mean? He goes, I was talking to my hairdresser and she used to date a guy that was black ops that used to stay in a trailer with his partner at the Presidio several times a year. And she slept overnight one night there. She wasn't supposed to. And he goes out into the kitchen to start talking. And the door was open to the bedroom so she could hear him.

19:00 And he's talking to this guy and they're talking about, he said he was in air conditioning. He was doing an air conditioning job for the military to her. They had a van that said air conditioning. He had an outfit that said air conditioning, the whole bit. And he's talking to the guy while they're having coffee and they're talking about spraying the substance into the air conditioners and hoping that it works and that the military will be happy with the outcome, whether they live or die. Something to that effect. Now, she's laying there awake hearing all this.

19:37 She totally freaks, but acts like nothing's wrong. Gets up, gets a cup of coffee, says, I'll see you after work, honey, blah, blah. She never went back again, never talked to the guy, ditched his number, whatever. and turns out these guys were spraying substances from the military into air conditioning units a la legionnaire's disease action And that the military was behind a lot of this. And who knows what part of the military and anybody that might even know about it, right?

20:09 It may have just been a sanctions black operation going on. Who knows, right? But now my friend is like, do you have an air conditioner in your room? And I said, oh my God, I do. And he goes, do you remember anything weird happening? And here's the kicker to this whole story. About a week before I got really, no, four days before I got really sick, I had turned on the air conditioner for the first time that year.

20:36 And I thought to myself, oh, I got to get out of the room while it's blowing the air for the first time because there's going to be dust and all kinds of stuff blowing in here and I don't want to breathe it in. So sure enough, as soon as I thought that, I turn it on and I take a big, deep breath and I feel something hit the back of my throat. I thought it was a bug.

20:56 And it felt like it was burrowing into the back of my neck. And I thought, that's really weird. I kept coughing and trying to get rid of it. And then I'm sick four days later. And then I find out they've got these nanobot things that they can put around and infect people and kill them. I'm like, oh, my God. So I'm not saying this is real, folks.

21:17 I'm just saying. It was just so bizarre that all those pieces laid out over a three-year period and that I got so deathly ill. And then I get... things in my lungs that are just not normal for pneumonia. And they isolate me in the hospital. They've got CDC protocol going on. And I'm like, okay, something's really wrong here.

21:38 And they wouldn't talk to me in the hospital the whole two weeks. It was almost like I was like, not there. It was like, we don't even want to talk to her. The nurses won't come near me. The guy's taking my blood. They were like, they were afraid of me. I couldn't figure out what was happening. It was very strange. Anyhow, that's the one near-death experience because I was very sick. But I've had near-death experiences where I've actually, and I don't know if they were near-death as much as angels taking me to meet God. So I've had that experience. When I was a child, did I tell you this story when I was 18 months old, what happened? No, no.

22:15 The reason I just initially asked the question was, I thought I read somewhere that that got you interested in the UFO topic, but I may be totally wrong on that.

22:28 Because of that illness, another thing happened while I was in the hospital. I got radiation poisoning from one of the tests they did to me. And my hair fell out and I got really muscular. I couldn't move very well. And I had three months where I couldn't work at all. I lost all my clients. I lost everything. And the church was paying my rent, actually, at the time. And I was going to be homeless because of this. So it was crazy. And I thought, you know what? What do I like more than anything else? I'm going to work, too.

22:59 But I'm going to pursue something I truly love and want to do. And my... My angels that I deal with are my aliens that I deal with because they're white light beings. They're not necessarily the little greys or the reptilians or anything like that. Mine have always been white light beings. I just consider them angels. I don't know what else to call them because they haven't given me a name yet. So anyhow. Long story short, I just decided at that moment, well, I'm laying in bed for four months practically. Yeah, if I'm going back to work, I'm going to do something else I love too. I'm not going to sit here and just do bookkeeping for the rest of my life. So that's how the podcast happened.

23:38 That's how everything started for me. It's because of that illness.

23:42 How about that? Wow. So I just thought of something that I should probably mention here. It's rather sad. The last couple of days, we've lost a couple of Star Trek people. George Takai and Patrick Stewart from the second generation or whatever, all within just a few days. And here we have William Shatner, 95, going strong as can be.

24:05 It's amazing.

24:07 I know. It's pretty mind-boggling. You know the one I'm very upset about is Mario Woods. I know. That one really got me.

24:14 I brought him up the other day. Yes, Mario and I became friends. Here we are in Savannah, Georgia. We met up last year.

24:22 I love it.

24:23 He was such a wonderful man. And his funeral was yesterday. And I didn't know that I would have gone. I just found out today because I'm only an hour and a half away from where he was. So I would have gone. But anyway, yeah, it's very sad. He was such a gem, that guy. He was supposed to.

24:39 Speak at UFOCon this year. Yeah, because, you know, he just retired back in April. Yeah. Yeah, he said he couldn't do it. I've been asking him for four years, right?

24:51 Yeah, I remember you actually connected through me the first time with him. I think so. I remember that, yes. So it's really too bad. And I was really glad, though, that he got to meet up with Michael Johnson. I believe his name is the person he always talked about. And that's thanks to Jesse Michael and people that helped him out. got the word out and they finally tracked him down and got him. And I was really glad that they got to a little reunion.

25:20 That is so wonderful. And Mario thought he was dead. I really did. He really thought he was dead. Yeah. I'm just so thrilled about that. That's one great thing in ufology. I got to say, there's a lot, there's a lot of really good things in our community. There's some bad things in our community too. It's just the way it is. And I find it fascinating. Are we going down the disclosure path today?

25:44 We can. I will tell you there's one person that seems to know you that's been putting a lot of questions in there for you that he wants me to put up. Oh, great. Who's that person?

25:52 And I'd love to answer their questions. Let's do that.

25:54 Okay, let me make sure I didn't miss any here. I think his name is Roger Murray.

26:00 Hi, Roger. Where do I go?

26:01 Anyway, he asked about the Phoenix Lights, the black triangle UFO that you have.

26:06 Oh, yeah. Okay, my great story about my black triangle. You guys will like this. I think you'll like it. I don't know. It's shortly, it's about a year after that illness. No, not a year. It's five years after the illness. And I'm now going through another bout of, now I've already started my MUFON group. It's going strong in Petaluma. I live in Petaluma now. Oh, you do?

26:29 I know Petaluma very well. I used to live in Hebron and San Rafael. I used to live in San Rafael.

26:35 I lived in San Rafael too. All of us, we kind of go up 101 as you get older. It's kind of weird. Yeah.

26:42 Petaluma used to be the chicken capital of the country at one time. That's right.

26:46 And the wrestling capital, arm wrestling capital.

26:50 Never knew that.

26:50 That's right. Or some thumb wrestling. I can't remember. It's either thumb wrestling or arm wrestling. Okay. So I'm driving to Petaluma to the community center. It's a senior center where we used to have our meetings and And I'm in the car. It's bad money month. Things are not well. And I'm thinking to myself, that's it. I'm not doing this anymore. You guys, I'm telling them telepathically. It's not, I can't do it anymore. It's not making any money.

27:16 It's costing me money as it costs a lot of money to do this. And I'm just like, I can't feed my cats. I can't buy cat food. I barely have gas to get to the meeting. Right. So I'm thinking, that's it. I'm done. We're not doing this anymore, you guys. It's over today. And it was November. And I said, I'll do the December meeting and that'll be the end of MUFON for me. OK, we're done. And I made a really conscious, very solid decision driving up there. So I get to the meeting. Everything goes fine. We go to dinner like we usually do. And I'm kind of sad because I'm looking at everybody going, oh, this is probably one of the last times I'll be able to have dinner with all my friends. I'm getting remorseful about

27:59 making that decision. But I'm sticking to my guns. Right. So one of the guys says to me at dinner. I just bought a night vision goggle and a camera set up where I can actually attach the night vision goggle to the camera and film the skies. And I'm like, oh, that's really cool. And he goes, I'm going to go out after dinner and we're going to go back to the parking lot at the senior center. And we're going to film UFOs tonight. And I said, oh, no, don't do that. I said, we had a homeless problem. And the police were going around every hour just to kick them out of the parking lot. And there's a big pond there and trees. And they were all hiding in that area. And I said, don't do that. It'll just

28:42 get me in trouble. Because I signed a contract with these people, with the city, to have you guys have the meeting in the senior center, blah, blah, blah. I said, it'll just get me in trouble. And they said, then you come with us. And I'm like, oh, shoot. OK, OK, I'll go with you guys just to keep the cops away from me because I they all know who I was.

29:03 So there you go. So we're in the parking lot. There's about five or six guys all looking down into this camera lens.

29:10 Right.

29:11 And my friend Diana and I are all bundled up because it's freezing cold. It's November 1st of 2014. It was the first Saturday of the month meeting. So whatever day that was, I think it was the first, yeah. So we're bundled up and we're shivering and I'm looking down and I'm thinking, oh, this is really sad that I'm never going to see these guys after the next month.

29:33 And I said to Diana, or Diana said to me, wouldn't it be interesting if we saw a UFO tonight? And they caught it on film. And I looked up and just as I looked up, I swear to you guys, a giant triangle, black UFO with lights on in each corner and kind of an orange glowing thing in the middle.

29:53 Wow.

29:55 Right above our heads. I mean, at a 25 degree angle above my head.

30:01 I've heard that exact triangle with the amber or the thing glowing in the center, like larger than the corner lights. Yes, absolutely.

30:12 Probably five times larger. Yeah.

30:15 It's so weird to hear the same thing repeatedly.

30:18 I know. That's why at the end of the story, I'll tell you what I think it is. But anyhow, long story short, It's wobbling. And I think, and now I've been told later, and I'm sure Martin, you know this too, the plasma field around it makes it look like a mirage. So it's kind of, it looks like it's wobbly, but it's actually not. It's just the plasma field you're looking through. So I'm thinking, here's what I'm thinking in my head. oh my God, the guy doesn't know how to drive the thing. It's going to fall on us and squish us. We're all going to die.

30:47 But while I'm thinking that, I'm screaming UFO. And Diana's looking, she's looking off in all weird directions. And I'm thinking, why aren't you looking just straight up? And I turn around and the guys are all looking in the camera. They're not looking straight up above. They're all looking up into the atmosphere where they got this thing pointed. So I'm thinking to myself, oh my God. So I look back and just as I look back, all the lights and everything turn off and the thing goes totally black.

31:16 And then I blink my eyes, which were having a big thing about my, that time I blinked because in the time I blinked the ship completely shifted directions and pointed North. The point was North. It was more of a, a long sided two sided with a shorter sided back triangle, not a perfect triangle. And a little bit of a Chevron, long story short, in a blink of an eye, after turning off the lights, it slid sideways and pointed in another direction. And then within a half of a second, it took off so fast. Like nobody can see it as it was turned as it, after it had turned, Diana actually saw it. So I do have a witness to it that it was there and it was fairly large and fairly low, probably a thousand feet, maybe if

32:08 it was 200 feet across. type of thing anyhow long story short everybody wonders what happened between the time i blinked it and it moved directions and did its maneuvering because i don't know if it can maneuver that quickly when it's got its engine turned off and it's just black like that maybe it can i don't know But to this day, people that were there wonder if we weren't all taken or one of us was taken or two of us were taken or none of us were taken.

32:42 That they may have just talked to us in our heads and we don't remember it. We don't know. But very interesting. And I went home that night. Here's the kicker for the whole story. Oh, by the way, I believe it's one of ours. And I believe it's one of ours that we worked with the ETs on the ship in that craft mission. I believe it is our sequence.

33:03 There's definitely a lot of speculation about that.

33:07 Yeah, go ahead.

33:08 I understand. I understand. Are you more or less done? Because I have an encounter to tell you about in San Rafael.

33:13 Yes, I'd love to hear it.

33:15 And I would like to connect you to the woman, actually. Now, I knew her years ago, her and her husband through the antiques world. I was been in the antiques and the auctions and stuff. So I knew both Dave and Melinda for years. And Dave, unfortunately, passed away a few years ago. But they have a house on Grand Avenue in San Rafael. And it's right next to Third Ave and Grand Ave.

33:41 Oh, sure.

33:41 I know exactly where it is. And a big backyard, big house, big backyard. She was like something caught her eye. I'm hoping I can connect you with her and she'll talk to you about exactly what happened. I may have this a little bit wrong. But from what I recollect, something caught her eye in the backyard. And this thing landed in their backyard. And she drew a picture of it and the lights and where the lights were on the corners and all that. And then it took off.

34:08 So yeah, I'm going to connect you with her.

34:10 And do you remember what year that was?

34:13 I don't think it was really that long ago. I'm going to say five or six years ago, maybe a little bit longer.

34:19 That's amazing.

34:20 She never reported it. So that's why I think it would be good to connect you, but I will do that.

34:27 Yeah.

34:28 So that right, right there in that area, I always thought now, I had my sighting in 2007, and I was in California until 2011, the summer of 2011. But I always thought the beautiful skies, you get so many months of beautiful, blue, clear skies. Gorgeous. And the amount of sightings that happen, it must be, I know California is one of the highest. I know a lot of it has to do with the population. But still, the beautiful, clear skies most of the time there.

34:59 So it's pretty mind boggling. California has, I think the reason California and Nevada and Arizona probably have the most sightings of all the states right now is because of the fact that we have the most secret bases and the most military bases. I mean, I remember California's got great weather, so we have a lot of military bases out here.

35:23 That's right. That's right. Just looking to see if we have another question coming up here. I want to say happy Halloween to all Love you all out there. Have some fun during that. Let's see. That's not a question.

35:34 Oh, I just wanted to finish up the story, you guys. When I got home that night after seeing that triangle UFO, I was cursing the skies in my ETs because I was like, oh, you had to show me a triangle on the day I was going to quit.

35:47 Oh, that's funny.

35:50 I was laughing. I thought, oh, God, what if I decide to just quit everything altogether? Will they take my house? Like in The Wizard of Oz? What are they going to do to me?

36:00 That would be interesting.

36:01 There's no retirement from ufology, apparently.

36:04 Yeah, that's right. That's right. This person is wondering if your NDE seemed to correlate with alien contact, in your opinion.

36:13 I think so. And the reason I think so is because when I was 18 months old, it's a long story, but my grandmother, I was in the hospital dying and my grandmother saw an angel over the crib in the hospital. And she said it was the same angel that came to her when she was 13, dying from rheumatic fever back at the farmhouse in Idaho. And she told me I was a lot older. I was like 15 or 16 when they finally told me this story. And no one thought about it, that it was important, right? But so my grandmother tells me, yeah, I saw the same angel over your crib that came to me when I was dying. And it told me I had work to do.

36:56 And it said that your granddaughter has work to do, so she's going to live. And my grandmother fell asleep after that in the hostel. And my dad was furious with her because he told her to stay awake because they thought I was going to die. So yeah, absolutely. family story about my grandmother not caring about me, but that wasn't the truth. My grandmother totally cared about me, and cared about me enough that she asked God to keep me alive, and the angels show up. And to this day, I still believe that these angels are actually, they're an alien form, and they're a very... They're white light beings to me and my grandmother. My grandmother said, yeah, it was all full of love and light. It had wings for my grandmother. They never had wings for me.

37:41 So I thought that was interesting because my grandmother obviously read the Bible and all that. And I'm not a big Bible person. So they didn't have wings. Mine have just been white light beings. So it's very interesting.

37:54 Here's a question going back. Why do you think that UFO in particular that, Craft was one of ours. What is your opinion on that?

38:04 Because I felt it. I don't know how to describe it to you guys. I've seen probably 12, no, is it eight different crafts, different styles of craft, pretty low and pretty close to me. I've seen a green teardrop. I've seen a black triangle. I've seen three orbs in the shape of a triangle. I've seen orbs. I've seen one that looks like a big plasma ball. That's five.

38:30 What was the other ones?

38:31 What colors?

38:34 Oh, the plasma ball. The first one was a bright orangey white. The smaller ones are they have this reddish tint to them. I don't know what that's all about, but. And then I've seen a chevron. Now, I didn't see it really close up. That one was at a sky watch, and we could see it, and we could see the lights, and we could barely make out the shape. And a person got a picture of it, actually, on his cell phone, and we blew it up, and we could see it really clear then on the cell phone. So that was the one I didn't see really close. But I've seen a chevron. So what is that, six? And, yeah, the teardrop-shaped ones were the wildest ones.

39:13 I've never heard anyone saying they've seen like an orb in the shape of a triangle. That's the first time I've ever heard of anything.

39:21 Oh, no, it was three orbs.

39:24 Oh, in the shape of a formation. formation i see yeah i got it yeah that's many times yes okay and.

39:29 They seemed like they were kind of going around each other in a weird pattern but staying together so i consider that a different kind of movement of plasma or whatever oh and the last one that i saw so this is number six i think or seven on a spectrum of shapes I saw with 62 other people during the sky watch a horseshoe-shaped tube. So you think of a tube, and then it's bended into a horseshoe shape, and there's your ship. And it's flying flat, and the back two tube holes that would be on the tube were glowing this deep amber red like a fireplace coal.

40:13 And it was being chased by an F-16. Wow. 20 feet behind it. Oh, my God. It was the wildest experience I've ever had. It's been on Discovery Channel. They've even done his whole story on it.

40:26 Wow. There's so many stories that I've heard over the years that are being chased by a military jet. I've had two friends in particular. Both of them are also antique appraisers, art appraisers that both have seen that particular thing being chased the afterburner and chasing after all that stuff. My friend up in Canada, he can't believe that everyone was watching it at a party out on the deck and watch this thing chasing it. And he kept getting the paper and he said he couldn't believe it was not all over the newspapers and why it wasn't everywhere.

40:59 He just thought the whole world would know about it. I thought that was pretty funny because that's what happens. A lot of people, I've heard people say, I felt like it was the end of the world or what is happening and all this. And then it's not on the news and no one's reported it. And it gives that type of situation.

41:16 Well, Martin, that goes into the whole thing. I've got a great story. How much time do we have left?

41:22 Yeah, we're moving right along here. And we want to make sure we talk about your, let me just pop this up and I'll take it back down. But we'll be talking about that next. Yeah, okay, great.

41:33 I just want to tell you guys a quick story about what I consider the holy grail of ufology. And I haven't, I don't think I've even told Martin this. I believe that mind control over human beings is the holy grail of ufology. And here's why. And I'll make this story as short as possible. I'm woken up by my ETs. When they talk to me, it's in that space right before you're awake and when you're coming out of a deep sleep. They always do it there. Because they show me movies or they give me downloads or they talk to me, they give me orders and I always fight with them and tell them I'm not doing it.

42:11 I'm Italian on half of me and the other half is Irish and Scottish. No one's telling me what to do, right? Not even ET or God, right? So I'm fighting with my ETs. One day I wake up and they go, you got to go watch the Stan Romanak story again. I'm like, no, I'm not watching it again. I've seen it 13 times. I'm not watching it again. So another week goes by and I wake up and they go, you got to go watch the Stan Romanak story. I go, no, I'm not doing it. And now by the third time I said, okay, I'll watch it. So I watched it that night. And while I'm watching it, there's a scene where there's an alien at the back porch and Standing there, they call him Grandpa Alien or whatever because he's kind

42:51 of wrinkly. Or Stan did. I can't remember the story now. But long story short, he's not there. But I don't know he's not there. But I know something's wrong. And I can't figure out what it is. And I'm really confused, right? And it's bothering me, but it's not bothering me too much. So a week goes by and they say watch it again.

43:11 So I watch it again. And again, no alien in the movie. He's not there anymore. It's just black. And now I'm upset because I know something's really wrong and I can't figure out what it is. And it's really bothering me. I was really upset. It was emotional for me. And the next day they said, go watch it again.

43:32 I'm really getting mad at them now because I'm like, why am I doing this? And why are you putting me through this? So I watch it again. And now the alien is back. He's right where he was the first time. And my memory of it being there is back and all of it's back. And I'm thinking to myself, why are you guys doing this? This is just stupid, right?

43:52 What difference does it make? And then they said to me, call Jack Roth. And I said, why do I have to call Jack? Jack made the movie. What he knows about the movie. No, call Jack Roth. And I said, what am I going to tell him? They go, we'll tell you what to say when you call. I'm like, okay, fine. So I call him and they say, tell him, Ask him about what happened at the premiere in Florida. And I'm like, OK. So I see Jack. My ETs have told me to call you. Now, Jack has been through a lot. So he knows when my ETs are telling me to do stuff that it's important and we got to pay attention. So I said to Jack, they told me to ask. He goes, OK, you know what was weird about that whole thing? He goes, nobody came running

44:35 out of the theater going, oh, my God, I've seen an alien for the first time. Not one person. He goes, I thought it was so weird. And I said, Jack, you know what? They just told me and showed me what was going on. I said, Jack, there is such mind control over the planet by the, the other side of the ETS. If you want to call them that the dark side or whatever, or the people controlling our minds, because right now what their main focus is controlling us to the point where we do exactly what they tell us, whoever they is. Right. And basically, we realized that the people that went in to see that movie that weren't contactees, or even if they were, some of them could not see that alien. Just when you're standing in a group

45:28 of people out in a parking lot, and you look up and you see a ship, maybe three of those people don't even see the ship.

45:35 I hear about that a lot.

45:37 Yeah.

45:38 You hear about that.

45:39 So I'm thinking... Where does this mind control take place in certain individuals where they cannot see the reality of what's right in front of them? And so my whole thing has been mind control is truly the holy grail of this whole adventure we're on. Because if you're up against a being that can take things out of your brain completely and put something else in it or nothing at all, they're really controlling you and then where does it become a spiritual thing and where is god playing to all this if you're looking at it from a truly esoteric point of view the mind control is truly the holy grail of ufology in my opinion so there you go that's my story around that that was a lesson for me from my et about how much mind

46:30 control is going on this planet whether it's from them or our military or the remote viewing crowd or God knows who, the DARPA, who knows? We got that whole thing going on with Havana syndrome right now. Yeah. Yeah.

46:44 Yeah, absolutely. So let's talk about your, let me just turn this off here. Let's talk about this coming up and you put on a great, I know how much I've put on events before. I know how much work they are, how many moving parts, how many things you have to get together. to make it all happen. And, and I hope to be coming out there this year. Again, I really enjoyed myself when I was out there before it's in Burlingame, which is right near the airport, by the way, and right South of San Francisco and so much to do out there. And it's a time of year, which isn't too bad. The end of February, the weather isn't what I remember.

47:22 60s. We could have some rain, but yeah, not a big deal. We're not a snowy country at all.

47:30 That's right. I don't think I ever saw snow the whole time I was out there. So you have 119 days until that happens. And you have a little countdown. So, yeah. But anyway, I highly recommend. It's a really fun one to go to. And it's always, I say this about these conferences. It's the people in the halls, that whole situation.

47:52 When you meet up with people in the halls, not necessarily if you can't make some of the talks, it's okay. It's still all the connections you make and so much fun to.

48:01 Go to those. I do have to toot my horn about this conference. It's what I call a boutique conference. There's only one speaker an hour and that's it. We do have some fun events like on Saturday and Sunday night to close out. We'll try to do some kind of fun thing with somebody. We do have special guests.

48:20 We sometimes play movies. But the most important thing is there's only 300 seats. That's it. This is not out of control conference. 150 people that are there have always come. They all know each other. They're lifelong friends. People fly in from Australia because all their friends are there. And it's really a very small knit group. And we try to bring in here's something I've always said, and this is really important. I hope people understand that I'm not bashing the other conferences because they're all wonderful and I go to them. But the thing that makes my conference unique is that I try to have 85 to 90% of the speakers that are on that stage are contactees.

49:03 Because my problem is I go to a conference and I'm having a guy stand on the stage telling me about ufology who hasn't even ever seen a UFO. I'm like, What are you doing on the stage here? I can never quite figure that out, but different people want to go down different alleys that surround ufology and contact these aren't their main focus and i get it and that's important too but what i really try to do is i try to even have scientists and military guys that have all had contact And or at least seen a UFO, at least if you've seen one, so you know that they're real. There's this thing that happens to people who know it's real as compared to people who don't know it's real. And those are the people I want on

49:47 my stage. And I try to. Yeah, go ahead.

49:51 Just a little pushback. I personally have had a UFO sighting, but I think of I can't help but think of Stanton Friedman, how great he was, who never had a sighting. You know what I mean? So there are people, there's a place for everyone, but I understand where you're going too, because there's a connection that people have that'll come up to you afterwards and say, I had a sighting too.

50:13 Can I talk to you about it? So I get that part of it as well.

50:16 Yeah. There's lots of other conferences that will have those kind of people. And I think that's great. And I still have Danny Sheehan and Steve Bassett. And I still have some of the guys that are my friends.

50:27 Steve Bassett's another one. He's never had a sighting either.

50:30 Yeah, that's right. And so Michael Shratt, of all people, has never seen a UFO. And he's one of my best friends. I'm sitting here and I do have those people speak for me. I'm not saying they aren't invited. I'm just saying I really try to bring you as many contactees as I can. And here's something else I do that nobody else will even touch is I try to bring people up that have never spoken before in their life and tell their story for the first time on stage.

51:00 I've cut it down.

51:02 To only three or four people. And some people that are out there, Jason Quitt and a few others, have all made their first appearance at my conference. Vivian Chivay made her first appearance at my conference. And here's the funny part. Paul Andrews, who used to own Contact in the Desert, I used to consult for them when they first started. And he used to come to my conference to find new speakers for Contact in the Desert. So that's how important the contactees are in a strange way.

51:33 And like all new people that you've never seen before. And I find that very refreshing in a weird way.

51:39 Oh, I do too.

51:40 Yeah. Yeah. I think it's important because where else are we going to see new people?

51:45 That's right. And I've got some, I've got some people I'd like to talk to you about off the air, but I just realized that one of the things I said to in the text of this show is that I did want to talk a little bit about disclosure. And so why don't we wrap the show up by talking about how do you feel the people, how do you feel disclosure is going these days?

52:10 I think it's going in. It's for me, it's a push pull because when I say that, what I mean is one part of it's doing great work and the other part of it seems like it's stumbling in the dark. And I'm just like, whoa. For example, the stumbling in the dark part. I think Rush went a little far on Rogan because I've already had people that are normies, I call them, at work come up to me because I'm the UFO lady and my computer's covered with UFOs and they're everywhere and I wear my antenna on Fridays and that kind of stuff. So long story short, they've come up to me going, what was that guy talking about?

52:49 He's crazy. I go, what do you mean? They go, oh, he was talking. I hadn't seen it yet, right? He was talking about fighting aliens and stuff, and I go, oh, no. So I watched it, and I was somewhat mortified, but really happy. Go ahead.

53:03 Here's my take on that. I think that people are feeding him things to discredit, because I think he totally... I don't believe he's a BS-er in any type of way.

53:19 Exactly.

53:21 And I think people are feeding him things to... Get out there. I think this has happened in the past. And get a little good information out with the bad information. And now we got this guy discredited. Look at Paul Benowitz. There's so many different cases where similar things have happened. And that's my take on it. I don't know.

53:39 No, Martin, that is exactly what I was just going to say. That someone's handling him and feeding him information. And he thought it was important to say this. And he thought it was time to say it. They told him, oh, it's time. Go on the biggest podcast ever and spill your guts. And bad advice. What can I say? It really turned off a lot of my friends at the office that were really starting to get on board with this whole thing.

54:06 Yeah. And I'm glad you feel the same way because I think he's totally sincere. I got to meet him. I never had a conversation with him, but at least I met him and I just felt. I just felt like he was a solid guy.

54:18 When I was writing. I've never met him, never talked to him, but I believe that he's doing basically, as you say, God's work in this field. He really is because the scrutiny, the attacks.

54:33 So I am, hopefully we'll see you in February. You bet.

54:37 It's been such a pleasure.

54:39 I'm having a little bit of internet issues, which I've had last week as well. I'm not really sure what's going on. But anyway, I don't know if you can hear me.

54:49 I can hear you just fine. Oh. Okay, guys, it looks like we've lost Martin. I wonder if he can hear. Martin, can you hear me? No, he can't. He's gone, I think. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to hopefully we've got another minute and a half in the show. Hopefully he'll be back before then to take us out. And, oh, the website. I wanted to tell you guys this is important.

55:20 The website is ca, for California, caufocon.com. C-A.