794. Indy Pederson

0:20 Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host, and we've got a great show for you this evening. You're going to be hearing from a remarkable guest that had, he went from actually from a UFO skeptic to having an encounter that changed everything that he knew about reality. My guest is Andy Peterson, and he's the author of Sacrificing Humanity. The UFO is a potent, sorry, a portent of nuclear war. So again, he was once a UFO skeptic.

0:51 He purchased a property in Patagonia, Chile, and we're going to be talking all about that because it supposedly was purported to have a UFO base.

1:01 And anyway, a lot of things happened to him.

1:04 So it's going to be a great, great conversation this evening. So next Tuesday on the, at the, geez, I don't have the date right in front of me. Next Tuesday, 8 p.m., we have Brad Olson.

1:16 He'll be joining us here.

1:18 So make sure you stop by for that. PodcastUFO.com is our website. You can check out this week's blog and that is a Iranian jet fighters chase a UFO in 1976. And so I want to say a big thank you to all of us, all of you out there that are joining us tonight.

1:35 Thanks so much. And it's time to bring in my guest. Welcome, Indy. Glad to have you.

1:43 Thank you for having me. Yeah.

1:45 So you have quite a story and we were talking a little bit offline. about what's, it's kind of weird how things can happen in South America.

1:54 And it appears to be our government, the U.S.

1:58 Government that gets involved. And this is really strange, but we're going to be talking about all that. But as I said in the beginning, you were basically a skeptic to begin with, even when you bought the property and people were talking about it being a UFO base. What did you think when you first heard that?

2:15 I was more than a skeptic. I was an adamant skeptic. I did not believe in UFOs at all because no one could get a decent picture of one. And even though there's pictures of everything else, and they supposedly travel light years only to crash here, so they're not very good pilots. So there were the two objections which have since been answered quite sufficiently in the congressional hearings and in the Age of Disclosure film, with 24 plus of our officials in there. including Secretary of State Rubio and NSA and CIA and three physicists. So it's quite a remarkable stellar cast. So any doubters out there, they just need to go watch the congressional hearings because we had a Galileo moment, as I call it. So yeah, I

3:07 was a complete skeptic. And I didn't believe when the locals told me, this island you're buying nine miles of is a known UFO base. And I laughed. I said, and I ignored them. Much to my chagrin now.

3:25 Yeah.

3:26 Now, how long?

3:27 Why don't we just, I'll just have you tell the story about how you bought it and what the first thing that happened that was unusual and things like that.

3:35 And the purpose for buying the land and all that. What was the whole thing?

3:39 Okay. So the purpose, I was building a $ 60 million resort project, a boutique resort. up over top of a waterfall that's a hundred feet falls, the waterfall falls directly into the ocean shore. There's a picture of it on the cover of my book, Sacrificing Humanity, with a hundred foot waterfall. It's taken from the air, so it doesn't look a hundred feet from way up above, but it is, and it falls directly in the fjord. So we were going to have Antoine Predock, who in my opinion is the number one architect in the world, actually a lot of people's opinion, It's kind of like the Frank Lloyd Wright of today. There's my waterfall right there. You can see it on the screen.

4:20 Oh, it looks beautiful.

4:21 Isn't that beautiful? It's a hundred foot right into the ocean fjord. So we were going to massively cantilever out over that. I had the $ 60 million contracted investment with a corporate jet and everything else. I was set for life and yeah, but it didn't work out so well. Matter of fact, I, If I could, I'd have to go back and rewrite the bio on my book because at the time I wrote all this, I still owned it.

4:50 But anyway, it didn't turn out so well because for a number of reasons. The main reason, it literally was a known UFO base. And it was like what I called a fed fly trap where I had them coming in from all directions. CIA, a military intelligence. I am, I'm Jacqueline. I'm a military intelligence interrogator. Oh, you really, you just introduce yourself like that right off the front to someone you were going to interrogate. And she'd have this line out of her mouth. It's a professional, very fast. Yes.

5:21 Because every statement you make has a pretext and based on the pretext I can, and she goes on anyway. Yeah. Yeah. All these people showed up because it was a, it is a known UFO base. And she actually called me, Years later, when she couldn't figure out why there was so much attention on me, she called me back and left a really short phone message in code. And she goes, I understand why everyone is so interested in your island and you. Look up Google. She's like, Google cattle mutilations of Bermuda Triangle. Click. So she timed it so that I guess the NSA doesn't pick it up or something.

6:01 I don't know. Really short. She said it in two seconds and hung up. But there's a puzzle for your listeners to try to solve. I've been trying to solve that myself, but I know that the one thing that the two are related to each other is UFOs. So basically she was saying that's why there was so much interest in my project, which attracted all these people. But that's what I was doing. I was building a resort project and had a number of things that completely changed my, blew up my paradigm of the world. I had my own Galileo moment. Yeah. Yeah.

6:38 So let's talk about, so.

6:40 You bought the property, were you like preparing it and were you living there at the time? Was there a place for you to live at that time or is this all raw land?

6:48 It was, it started off, it's an island the size of Maui. So it's massive. And I had nine miles of it. I think the best nine miles, which included the waterfall going into the ocean. And we were, building right up directly above the waterfall. There's a platform, not on the waterfall, but literally up above it. So the waterfall's here and I was building up above it. So it would have literally been falling water. My architect said this, he said, first he said, how did you, a gringo, find this place out in the middle of absolutely nowhere?

7:24 Because we had to, I had to fly him in. I'm a pilot. So I had to fly him in. We flew in under the clouds because there's no instrument systems out there. We're going up the fjord at a hundred and something miles an hour in a little plane, twin engine, under the clouds, like barely off the ocean, going up the narrow fjords. It's really dangerous. And I never told this story on the air before. And Antron Predock was loving it because he races motorcycles and he goes, oh, this is awesome. And my investor, the one funding all these projects, he's building a a half a dozen of them simultaneously just before the subprime crisis. And he went bankrupt.

8:07 I didn't, but he did. So put my project, that was the end of it right there. Yeah. And so he's behind me and he's tugging on me going, this is dangerous. Anyway, that's the only way we could get in. And we had to get the architect there. We had a very limited time. So we flew in under the clouds. Clouds barely off the ocean, up the fjords, and to the airstrip. We have an airstrip that can land even corporate jets. It's not owned by us, but it's owned by Chile, but I got them to pave it long enough for widening it. It was dirt initially until we went through it. So yeah, so we flew him in.

8:49 And that's where the experiences all began, starting with the largest cattle mutilation in world history. Would you like to know about that one? That's the first part where I started to question maybe these things really are real and maybe the locals who are telling me this is a known UFO base. No one buys property on this island and no one gets near it. Wow. It's now a national park but there's no entrance. It's a national park with no entrance. It's a really unusual national park but in that you have no way to get into it.

9:28 It's literally a wall of jungle. You can't take one step into it without cutting the wall of cubic wall and then taking a few steps and then it collapses in triple canopy of jungle and it collapses. It's temperate rainforest, but it's one of the thickest jungles, literally a jungle in the world. The first experience was the world's largest cattle mutilation. I didn't know at the time it was the world's largest. My earliest interviews I was giving, I said it was the largest in South America. which ChatGPT initially told me. But ChatGPT, if you've ever used it, I use it hours every day. The first answer it gives you is the public consumption answer, always. And then you have to probe with all these different questions and

10:17 then it will go, oh, You're right. I looked a little deeper into this and I realized.

10:23 Yes, I've had to do that a few times. Yeah, something similar. Yeah.

10:26 Yeah. And then and you keep on probing it and probing it with from multiple directions with multiple questions and it keeps on revealing more and more. So I initially thought this was the largest cattle mutilation in South American history. But I have since learned what I witnessed there on the site. was the world's largest by far. Nothing even comes close. It included three countries, 1,500 cows in Argentina, hundreds in Chile that haven't even been counted yet because a lot of them are the gauchos that roam with their herds in the upper Camino Austral in the middle of where really remote areas. And then an unknown amount in Uruguay because it was investigated by the Uruguayan Air Force UFO Division. Cattle mutilation investigated by the Uruguayan Air

11:24 Force UFO Division.

11:27 Crazy. So how many in total, approximately?

11:30 1,500 in Argentina, hundreds in Chile, and undisclosed. The number in Uruguay would be higher because they've got a lot more cows than Southern Chile, Patagonia does. So it would be a higher number. And, but the chat GPT said that the Uruguayan air force locked up the file after they did the investigation and it's not available.

11:58 So in what type of time span was this?

12:02 Oh, within a few nights, all in one month, June. Wow.

12:06 That is amazing.

12:07 Yeah. Thousands of miles, three countries. All within June, mostly on a few nights. Yeah, it was massive. So I was there on the site. It was June 18th, 2002. And that was the first thing. I bought the property in 1999. So I've been down there 20 years. And I've since learned that I'm on the front lines of, I'll just put it bluntly, an invasion of And they're a landing and aliens are coming into that territory as the first kind of like we settled on the with Plymouth colony. It's a rerun except for the Indians this time. Yeah.

12:57 And so.

13:00 How long had people been the locals when you investigated this from what you could tell, how long had people been talking about this?

13:09 Situation happening.

13:11 Is it cattle mutilation?

13:13 No, I'm talking about when they were calling it a UFO base or whatever. I just wondered how long.

13:18 I don't know. I arrived in 99 and that's when I bought it. And they were talking about it in 1999. And that's why I use this analogy. People say we've had UFO encounters for 80 years. And my response to that, yeah, you haven't been on the front lines like I have. And Plymouth Colony... If you take the time it was from Plymouth Colony until we had the bloodiest conflict in American history per capita, that was 50 years. And if you go from Columbus's landing, it's 187 years, I think it is. Yeah. And we're shooting them, we're blasting them out of the sky with EMP. That's why they're crashing, by the way. That was emitted by the director that you met personally. the director of Age of Disclosure film

14:08 on Rogan, he said when he was interviewing all these top officials, the 24 people and officials in that film, that they told him that they were blasting these UFOs out of the sky with EMP. And what's his name again, Farah?

14:28 Oh, Dan, Dan Farah.

14:30 Yeah, Dan Farah. Thank you for reminding me of his name. So Dan, so he, in front of millions of people on Joe Rogan, he said this, you can look it up. Anyone can look this up. So think about the audacity and the hubris of that. The director said the same thing. He says, this is arrogance on a level that is hubris beyond all hubris because to knock out of the sky, a vastly superior race in history that is never, ever worked out well. Never.

15:03 No never no no.

15:05 No and how long will they put up with us the the you know when we landed you know when we start shooting at them they'll shoot back with their bow and arrows but which which will be like yeah trying to respond the sticks yeah yeah so but i.

15:25 Want to also talk to you because i know you had a personal encounter or you've had a number of them but this was an orb that's One of the things that a lot of people were interested in, that you had an orb experience that kind of transformed. I don't know if this is, did this happen like soon after you got there?

15:44 Or was this, did this take a while? And did you see how?

15:46 No, this happened in February 16, 2015 at 3 a.m. Oh, wow.

15:53 You documented the whole, exactly what happened.

15:56 Yeah. Yeah. It's literally in my journal. It was a pretty remarkable event that, blew my paradigm of the world completely to shreds like like Humpty Dumpty and I've never been put back together the same again it was completely a life-altering experience.

16:14 Now up to this point were you so you bought in 1999 and you were involved in ever since and then up to 2015 did other things happen along the way or was this the first thing that changed everything.

16:28 Now, the first part time I started to question things was with the cattle mutilation. And I went through the following questions. And I can literally go through these with your listeners. So if there's any doubters out there, these questions will disabuse you of any notions other than UFOs. Because the Patagonia example of the cattle mutilation is very illustrative.

16:54 And it answers a lot of questions. that cannot be answered in places like Colorado. Can I go through those?

17:00 Sure, yeah, go ahead, yeah.

17:02 Okay, so the common explanations I had, which ran through my mind because I was an adamant disbeliever. Number one, I always thought these cattle mutilations like Linda Moulton Howell had talked about in Strange Harvest, although I didn't watch it at the time, I since watched it and she really proves, I think, and for doubters out there, go watch that. She proves it's coming from UFOs. Especially the studies that she did on the lasers that are cutting, how they burn multiple layers, burn, not burn, is something that our technology can't even do. You have to look into the details of that. So the explanation I always had was in Colorado, it must be our military testing radiation exposure to the cows or something like that. And

17:49 that explanation does not hold in Patagonia because the few times when I've been down, I've been down there 20 years. And the few times the U.S. military has come down to Chile or anywhere near there, their ships are off out on the sea on the coast of Chile, and everyone knows they're there. And the gringos with their short haircuts are in Starbucks drinking caramel macchiatos. So that wasn't one of the years. It wasn't one of the years.

18:19 So that explanation's out. Okay, how about the Chilean military? No, they're massively underfunded. They're clear off in Balmaseda or Coyhaique. And I've never seen them beyond that because they don't have the money. And I've never seen them in our region. So that's out. What about the typical explanation? These are the things that me and two investors, because I was with two investors when this happened. And we're up to 3M just talking about it, trying to figure out what could this possibly be. So what about predators? or Satanists or pranksters, all those are out because this happened in June, which is their winter, in a rainforest where it's torrential rains all the time. And any single day, you can't

19:07 take a step out there without sinking this deep in the mud and creating little rivulets running everywhere. And so on the scale that this happened, right there across from my island project, Across a narrow fjord, there was dozens of cows mutilated in one single night. And they're cored out, their eyes perfectly, like you do to a geological core sample, with laser precision, their genitals and their anuses are all cored out. And yeah, we were literally crossing that place to over to the island when just the morning after it happened. So that explanation's out. There's no tracks at all, not of humans, not of predators, nothing. And then the other common explanation that we thought of, because in Colorado,

20:01 you see this. And that's why this is so illustrative, because If these are happening in places where the typical explanations don't hold, then you have a case that says it can't be this probably in other places because the explanations don't hold at all. And so the other one, the other explanation that went through our head and we discussed was in Colorado, you always hear about helicopters flying when these incidents happen. I think now after the fact, that's probably because it's our military coming in with their dark colored helicopters and looking for craft because they want to reverse engineer the things because they're associated. But down there, that explanation does not hold because we tried to get

20:56 a helicopter down there. Helicopters don't have a long flight range, by the way. I'm a pilot. I'm not a helicopter pilot, but they don't have a long flight range. And so we tried to get a small helicopter down there for a TV show. We had a big budget one with lots of money. And we spent several days with them all out trying to get one helicopter, because there wasn't any down there, down to there to be able to film the show. And yeah, I don't think anyone would go through the effort that they went through and the money to try to get one down there. But the clincher of all this is that at the time that all these things were happening, there were hundreds of cows throughout all Patagonia, Chile, and 1,500 in Argentina, which I

21:44 found out about afterwards, and then an unknown amount in Uruguay, all at the same time, simultaneously. While all that was happening in Chile, at least, I don't know about the other places yet. I will find out. I'm digging into that. There were UFOs in the sky, described as orbs, as lights, as UFOs, various things. And they were sucking their cows up and exsanguinating them. And the locals all call them chupacabras, which are what they call for UFOs, which means blood-sucking goats. Goat-sucking, goat-sucking, blood-sucking goats. Suckers of goats. In Brazil, they call them chupa chupas, which is suck. So they got different terms and depending where you're Argentina, Brazil, or Brazil is Portuguese,

22:32 of course. And then in Chile and Argentina is Spanish. And they had a, una psicosis collectiva that was caused in Espanol in, in Chile, where the, the locals were in a mass panic because when there's UFOs are flying around in the sky, their cattle. which weren't just cows, but they were goats and sheep as well, were being exsanguinated.

23:00 Their blood was sucked out of them, which is, that's the term blood suckers. And these Chupachupas or Chupacabras, depending on which country you're in, in Chile, they describe them as box-like craft, triangular or box-like, which is strange because Jay Stratton just in his recent book talked about one of these giant cubes in the sky. And Locals have seen those, the boxes, flying boxes that make no noise.

23:28 They say they make it sound like a refrigerator and they make zero noise and they exsanguinate their cows. So it's not good. So at that time, I still did not believe in UFOs, but I was going through all the, up to 3 a.m. with two other investors going through what's the possibilities of how this happened. And we couldn't come up with anything Other than UFOs. And that's where I started to go. Maybe there's something really here. That was the beginning of it. But the orb experience, which came later, was case closed. Yeah.

24:07 Before we go there, there's a couple of questions in chat about the mutilations. This one's from T-Bones. And he wanted to know what do you think they do the mutilations for?

24:21 Food, fuel, something else?

24:24 People believe that they're drinking the blood because they're exsanguinating them and that they're feeding off the blood. And they're quite hungry, apparently. And there's quite a few of them because those are pretty large numbers. It's massive.

24:41 Pardon?

24:43 That's one thing you do hear a lot, that there's no apparent blood left in these.

24:48 None. Yeah, I actually experienced in Washington State in the near Boeing. I used to work at Boeing. When I was younger, a cattle mutilation happened at the end of the dead end road where I lived. It was only like 400 yards away. I ignored it because I didn't believe in UFOs. So I just ignored it. But it was in the newspaper. And apparently the Sheriff investigated, turned white and there was no blood and all the typical things.

25:21 There's just one cow and it was our neighbor's cow and they weren't too happy about it because it's lying there. And no, again, it was in the snow and there was no tracks. And so that's why the sheriff turns just white. They said he was just white as the ghost because he's looking at it going, oh my gosh, there's no tracks. This cow's lying here and there's no blood at all. Yeah.

25:45 Christopher O'Brien was a friend of mine. He did a lot of work on, I'm trying to think of the name of his book. He had a big book on cattle mutilations. Thinning the Herd, I think. No, that was Linda Moulton Howe. I can't remember the name of his.

25:57 I'll look it up.

25:58 But anyway, here's another question here in chat. And then I want to get into your encounter.

26:03 Why should we.

26:03 Dismiss the possibility that mutilations and extenuating, however you pronounce it, I'm sorry, have everything to do with the scientific research? have everything to do with a scientific research mission.

26:17 Why should we dismiss the possibility of mutilations and exsanguinating have everything to do with a scientific research mission? So that person's suggesting that there's a scientific research mission going on in remote Patagonia?

26:34 I don't know. We can just move on.

26:36 Christopher does have a lot of questions. Let me answer that. I do know when scientists have been down there, I met them coming from other countries, like when they were studying global warming. I met them and had long conversations with them, which would also corroborate my point I made earlier. But I knew when scientists were down there, because they can't come to that remote region without being known. And yeah, I met them. But there weren't any people doing the type of studies that this last questionnaire asked.

27:10 Okay. All right. Sounds good.

27:13 So let's get into what happened in 2015, 3 o'clock in the morning.

27:19 Yeah, this was the thing that changed my life. I was coming back with my business partner. There's two things that happened simultaneously. The JP Morgan Bank family members were looking at investing in my island project. It was a $ 60 million project. And so we're going to the island in a boat. And on the way out to the island, he's asking questions that investors normally don't ask. And by then, I knew what the questions normally were because I had quite a number of years of experience dealing with investors of that caliber. And he wasn't asking any of those questions.

28:04 He kept on asking questions about caves. And I got upset. And I said, why are you so interested in caves? And he knew there was caves on the island and there are large ones, like massive. And he looked towards space and in a very serious tone that body language communicates everything. So you have to be there. He looked towards space and said, because we have a lot of friends returning. And then it was three days later, because I wasn't there frequently. So a lot happened in the short times that I was there. So I had to have everything coordinated. Vestors come in and they leave. So I took them off to the airport in Balmaceda. And I was driving from Balmaceda through Coyake, through Port Assisness,

28:57 and up towards Parque Pumlin. So like right past, coming back past where my island project is. And it was 3 a.m., Hadn't seen another car for hours on a dirt road in a place where there's probably no human being within 100 miles of us in any direction. And so I pulled over at 3 a.m. to sleep. My business partner is in the back. It's a club cab.

29:28 I have my pillow next to the passenger window. And she's in the back. And she's going, look, look at that. And then just like something right out of tranches four or five that anyone should go out there and look at the exact identical type of flying where it's doing that, especially tranche six, or they're doing this really erratic flying right angle turns. Or how about the one on the moon where there's two of them and they do a right angle turn And notice that they always, whenever they're on camera, as soon as the gun camera locks onto them, or any camera for that matter, they instantly accelerate out of the camera. It's very common in all these Tronch 4, 5, and 6, right there. There's a site that anyone can

30:14 go to right there. They know when they're on camera. That's very observable. And so like the one where there's two on the moon, the two red orbs, and one's materializing, dematerializing, with the moon right there in the background. The other one does a right angle turn right in front of the camera to distract you. So that's the two things they do. They either instantly accelerate out of the camera or they'll have another one come in and distract you right when you're trying to lock onto the other. So they know when they're being filmed, which is the same thing that happened to us. So we're watching it zip around, doing the flight patterns right out of Trump 6. And she's pointing it out and we're both watching it. And

30:56 us seeing it, it sees us watching it. And so they are highly intelligent. They know when they're being watched. It's almost like they have telepathy and they know when the camera's on them. They know when your eyes are on them. It's really incredible. So it comes down to the top of the tree right next to the truck and it's hovering there for a while. And we're looking at it. And this whole thing takes 15 minutes. So that rolls out. ball lightning and it rolls out the piezoelectric effect. Physicists say that's impossible that this length of time that either of those things could be explanations. Not even close. Then it navigates intelligently the space between the truck and the tree and comes down right to where

31:45 my head is next to the passenger window because I was lying down like this and about to put my pillow there. And so my face is now up against the glass. And so the glass is here and the orb is right here, right in front of me and right next to the glass. So it was only the glass side passenger window between me and it. And I'm looking inside this churning orb and it's just about the size of a bowling ball, which is about an inch smaller than a basketball. And it's got this motion, I don't know if you can see that, going with two leading edges. like an infinity symbol, I don't know if that's where the infinity symbol comes from, going on inside of a fluid electrical fusion, I don't know how to

32:36 describe it, reaction, but I can tell this is a powerful engine right in front of me. So I'm staring inside of this going, wow, this is amazing. I'm just looking inside of it. I was just, I was stunned in amazement. And it's making no sound, it has no effects on me thus far. But then it started to grow. Now, I'm going to preface this because I wrote about this over a year ago in my book, Sacrificing Humanity. I talked about it for much longer than that since the event happened. And people have always said, and my publisher went, just said, you can't. He didn't want to do this.

33:21 And they said, orbs can't do this. And I said, there's two of us there. We witnessed it. And orb did do that. But I've been vindicated twice just recently. Just days ago, Jay Stratton, the highest ranking military person to ever investigate UFOs, released a book. And although he can't talk because 21 agencies have gone through this thing and he's got an NDA, so he can't talk about lot of things I talk about in my book. So I talk a lot more in my final chapter than he talks about in his entire book. But he did vindicate me on two things. One is that he saw on camera, a security camera, he said, he doesn't say it was a military camera, but I assume it is, where an orb comes down to the ground and a quote,

34:14 he says, a bipedal being walks out of the orb. So That's exactly what I witnessed. It didn't get that far. And another case that vindicated me recently is a military file that came out from a military whistleblower out of a. mil file. And it is called anamorphousuap.mov. And in that file, it shows a UAP materializing like in Star Trek, which is exactly what I saw. into a torso and a head.

34:53 And the reason it's called, and the arms and legs aren't there yet. And the reason the file is called anamorphism is because it's a biological term. You can look it up. It's not amorphism, it's anamorphism. It's a biological term that means the arms and the legs are born or grow last. In this case, they materialize last. That's precisely what I witnessed. So when I saw those two things, especially the first one, I mean, I said, that's what I saw. I wrote about this a year ago and finally I've been vindicated. It's real. I knew it was real, but there's someone else saying it. I can prove it now.

35:37 And so that's exactly what I saw. The orb starts growing in size. and the torso and the head starts coming in and it starts materializing just like in Star Trek and the legs and arms haven't come in yet. So they're materializing last. But I didn't wait around to see this thing completely take form so I could become like one of those cows, which is now happening to humans.

36:03 I've seen the blood curling pictures out of Brazil shown to me of humans. that this is the exact same thing that's happening in cows is now happening in Brazil, which is on the front lines. We're on the front lines of this invasion in Brazil, Argentina, and Chile, Patagonia. And I jumped in the passenger because I was about to lie down. I had my face glued to the passenger side. I jumped in the driver's seat and I was out of there with that truck at a speed that You couldn't think you could drive on that dirt road with cliffs on the side. And my partner was screaming, thinking we were going to die from going off a cliff. Wow.

36:46 And has she talked about this also? Is this something she would actually talk about?

36:52 Yeah, we talked about it. We didn't say a word on the whole drive until we got to the next ferry crossing. I was just stunned. And I stopped at the ferry crossing where you can't go any further. I went as far as I could possibly go. And so there's another ferry crossing and there's a couple of cars sitting there waiting to go to the next ferry when it comes in. Because in Patagonia, when they put in the Camino Austral, they called it Pinochet's Folly. They don't pronounce it like the French Pinochet. Pinochet. Because it's Andy's Mountain Fjord, Andy's Mountain Fjord. And you can't even get down there without ferry crossings and this unbelievable road. So we pull over and to answer your question, And we

37:36 talked about it at length there when we finally stopped. And she said, we probably should not. She said, I didn't agree to this, but she said, we probably shouldn't talk about this to anybody because no one will believe us. That was how she put it.

37:52 Yeah, no, I understand that. When you first were seeing this orb next to you. Was it something that was transparent? You mentioned the motion. Was that external motion or internal motion?

38:04 No, it's all internal motion. So inside this orb, which is a glowing white ball of light, it doesn't have a hard surface. It's not like glass. It's amorphous. The edges of it are amorphous. And inside, it's got a fluid motion going on inside of it. like an engine. It just gave me the impression it was like a fusion reaction or some powerful engine running inside of this thing.

38:33 So see this image I had made?

38:36 That's probably not really representative because I could see the arms and legs.

38:39 Yeah, it's not very close because the being never appears like that. It comes in. I had a real hard time creating. My book opens on page 14. page one with an image of one of these orbs taking over the command and control of our nuclear weapons, which has happened way too many times, 20 times, a Korean chap, GPT, could have caused nuclear war, potentially, 20 times. That's frightening. Yeah, they're taking over our command and control systems of our nuclear weapons, which is shocking beyond belief. Go ahead. Yeah, so page one of my book of Sacrificing Humanity, I've got, I spent a long time with chat GPT to try to draw, it created a lot of things really easily.

39:26 And a lot of pictures in my full-color book are from ChatGPT of things that I saw. But the orbit had a hell of a time, excuse my French, to get that picture right. And I kept on redoing, no, that's not right. That's not right. And I got it as close as I could get in my book. But the being doesn't appear in there like what you just draw.

39:49 Is that a GPT version? Yes.

39:53 But can you actually hold up that picture? You have your book right there where you can actually hold the picture.

39:58 Up to the camera?

39:59 Yeah. Actually, I do have my book right here.

40:01 So while you're doing that, I have a story to tell you. There it is right there.

40:06 Yeah, right there. So that's the closest I could get it. And on page one, it's taking over the command and control of our nuclear weapons. And it has a nice prophecy that goes with it there. As you can see with the key, the launch key, the prophecy. Because I use, I'm showing that there's a script that's playing out. Not a good one. We don't want to follow. We do not want to follow. It's in all the ancient texts of the world. All of them. I literally quote from every Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharata, the Bible, the Revelation, Dead Sea Scrolls, Enoch.

40:46 Hopi Indians, all of them. They're culminating on this, their description of this, this cataclysmic future event that they've all described. It was so important that they talked about it thousands of years in advance. So this one opens up with a fifth angel sound. And I saw a star fall from heaven onto the earth. Stars can't fall from heaven onto the earth. That's physically impossible because they have much greater gravity. And, but these things look like a star.

41:15 That's what it initially looked like when it was zipping around far away and doing all this crazy. It looked like a star, but it's not flying like a star or anything, any aircraft we know. Then it comes down to the earth and unto him was given the key to the bottomless pit. Most people think these things, the nukes are launched with a button because it's popular. That's not true. They're launched with a key. So I show the key right there. There's the key. That's the one that launches it. And then, and they look like bottomless pits if you look down the silos. And in the day that they had John the Revelator was in Patmos and had this vision of the distant future, not in his time, but way off in the future. When you

41:57 dug pits with shovels, that pit, one of these pits must look bottomless because when you look down them, you can't see the bottom. You can't see the bottom of them. And then there rose a smoke out of the pit of a smoke of a great furnace. So you see the smoke. coming out. And then the next thing it describes is the fire coming out. It follows in just that pattern. And there's a hail from heaven of every stone about the weight of a talent, which is the heaviest weight amongst Hebrews and it's used for metals. And it's a hail of fire, not of snow. And heaven's roll up as a scroll, which is mushroom cloud and elements melt with fervent heat, et cetera, et cetera. So it's a script that we don't want to play out.

42:41 And it starts with these orbs, I believe, because they're literally taking over our command and control systems of our nuclear weapons right now.

42:52 One of the things you were talking about that was mentioned about a being getting out of an orb. Now, when I was doing this show back in, I think it was 2012, I was speaking to an elderly woman at the time. She was like in her late 80s, if I remember right. And she claimed that in her backyard... She was looking out and she saw this orange orb and it just came down to the ground and floated just about above the ground and a being stepped out of it. And then the orb disappeared and the being just walked, was walking.

43:27 Yeah, that's what Jay Stratton just described, highest ranking military person to ever, a two-star admiral who was in charge of this UFO investigation. And he spent his entire career doing that. It's about his most credible person you could have speaking on the subject. I didn't see the alien walk out of the orb. I saw it materializing like in Star Trek. You remember Star Trek, how you see the coming together and the glittering? And I would have done.

43:58 Exactly what you did. I would have been out of there right away as fast as I could.

44:02 Yeah.

44:03 So it went around.

44:04 When it's all these particles are doing this glittering and it's coming together and there's and it takes the torso and the head come in first, and then it's starting to become a being, you know what comes next. And the reason it's called anamorphism is because the arms and legs come in last. If anyone wants to see it, when I was talking about this to a physicist friend of mine, he said, go watch the movie, They Live.

44:34 Have you seen that movie? No. Oh, yeah. You all should go out and watch They Live. They stand with their suitcase on this pad, and then they dematerialize. They go the opposite direction. They go into a ball of light, and they go off to their planet. In that movie, they're here walking amongst us. There's a title of a book right now of David Jacob's. where they're literally, he claims they're here, they've landed and they're already amongst us.

45:12 He said that they've gone through three phases. The first phase was they were testing us. That was decades ago. And then, cause he's been writing about this for that long. And then second phase, they take sperm from males and eggs from females and they created hybrids and they showed them their hybrids. And he says, now they're at their third phase with their, they're literally putting these beings that look human because they're hybrids, but they're hybrids. So they look human. They put them amongst our society with other human beings. I don't know what to think about that.

45:49 That's like the darkest book I've ever read in my life. But I know that I interviewed Sarah McCarthy, who wrote Julia Bryant's book. She's one of the Epstein victims because she was with my publisher. And she spent five years writing this book. And Sarah McCarthy told me that she got death threats. She spent five years writing this book and she got death threats about it because there's a connection between Epstein and UFOs, a really big one, because Juliet Bryant saw UFOs, a big triangular craft practically landed right there at Zorro Ranch that she saw. Maria Farmer painted a UFO in her famous painting that has unbelievable symbolism.

46:40 You can study that and you can learn all about Epstein and everything he was doing, which is horrible, all in that giant painting. Just look it up online. It's available. And so Juliet wakes up naked on this high-tech table in this really high-tech operating room with a tall female, the glossy dark hair, flawless luminescent skin like what you'd see in These hybrids. And she tries to reassure Juliet, who sees all this strange medical equipment hanging over her, suspended above her. And this is her quote. She says, figures standing on either side of me watching, six giant figures in white hazmat suits. Hazmat suits. Yeah, so why?

47:24 Why would you have hazmat suits? Black visors watching in silence. Who were they? Were they even humans? And she answered that question on several radio shows, one which has millions and millions of viewers. And she said that she believes they were not human. And so she believes that they were creating alien-human hybrids there and clones. And she said she saw more scientists than anything. So it's not just a blackmail operation. It was much more. I've read all the horrific Epstein files. That were published and they're shocking beyond belief. They were, a jerky was not jerky. They're flying in from London for 20 ounces of jerky. And his actual emails were, I'm delivering to you three babies,

48:17 two boys and a girl. Do you want any more? or the email where, I can tell you more. Your listeners probably don't want to hear this.

48:26 Yeah, they're here for UFOs.

48:27 They're here for UFOs. But there's a direct correlation. I've never heard that part at all.

48:34 That's really very interesting.

48:35 Yeah, if you look at Zorro Ranch and you draw a straight line from Dulce, which is one of the hottest, hot places there is, to Roswell, out in the middle of nowhere, there's nothing there but desert. and Zorro Ranch is dead center between those two on a straight line. You could literally have a tunnel going from Roswell to Dulce, and it would intersect Zorro Ranch.

49:03 That's bizarre.

49:04 So I've got to ask you one last question, because we're about ready to wrap it up here. So if you could go back to where that orb was formulating into something, if you had a second chance to do that, would you want to see what happened, or are you just glad you got the haircut?

49:20 Of there? No, no. They're killing humans. And I believe Jay Stratton said in his book, he proposed the theory that these are delivery vehicles. And I've been saying that in my book, Sacrificing Humanity for quite some time now, that these orbs are delivery vehicles. And we're witnessing the first landings of them in Patagonia, southern Chile and Argentina, and in Brazil. And the massive cattle mutilations, the attack on Colores, a whole village of 400 people island, just like mine, was attacked with 40 with serious burns and puncture wounds and sucked and radiation exposure and two dead.

50:01 So there's humans dying from this. They're going after our nuclear weapons. This is a very serious existential threat. And the problem is that those, because they've lied to us for 80 years, they either lied to us then or they're lying to us now. They lied to us before for 80 years. And because they've lied to us, they put the public that they're supposed to protect in existential peril.

50:24 So the government's in a trap now because the public, the majority, don't believe them because they've lied so many times. It's like the wolf crying wolf. They don't believe them anymore. And now we're literally in an existential threat. And this should be like a global state of emergency because we've got a landing coming in on Patagonia on the front lines.

50:48 And sure, it might be a while before we end up like the bloody battle with the Indians, but it's headed that way. And it never, ever works out well for an inferior species, technologically inferior, ever. Right.

51:04 It hasn't. That's what history has told us.

51:06 So the book, Sacrificing Humanity, a UFO Portent of Nuclear War.

51:11 And thank you so much for being here. It was a pleasure.

51:14 Thank you for having me.

51:16 You bet. All right. Take care. All right, everyone.

51:19 So we'll be back next Tuesday. That's the 27th with Brad Olson. Thank you all for being here. Thank you all and chat for and all the people being here watching it live as well. And all who listen, take care and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.