Behind Closed BeaDOORS: Alexis & John RHOC Recap Reveal

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. All raindrops on today's episode of Reality with the King.

Listen, I am so blessed. I love my life. I love my job.

And I love recapping this show with Alexis Jansen because, you know, it's moments like this when Alexis Jansen activates an episode that I have the privilege of of getting the exclusive because she's my co-host, as you all know.

And Alexis, in.

The words of Ramona Singer, formerly of the Real Housewives of New York City, wow, Bethany, wow.

Okay, well, I'll start with this part. It was hard for me to watch. There's a lot left out, but that's okay. We'll get to that point. But it was, yeah, my poor kids, I'm like, okay, they have to, like, this is why they come to me and they say, mom, we want nothing to do with your entertainment world. And I'm like, yeah, you don't.

So good.

I'm glad y'all have different career paths.

Look, it's funny, like with parents, do, don't, what was it? What's the, what's the, what's the, the, the phrase, Alexis? Do what I say, not what I do.

Do what I say, not what I do.

That's the Alexis Jackson model as a mommy.

So true. I mean, like, honestly, Carlos, what's so weird, I've never been in a position where I'm recapping about an episode that involves me that I know the emotions I had at the time that now I have to clarify and I feel like I have to defend myself, but I don't really have to defend myself because that was pretty, you know, I was emotional, but it's like, I definitely overreacted.

Okay.

I'll give you that.

I overreacted.

I was, here's the entire thing that was going on in my mind. Didn't want to be there. Felt like they were looking to pick a fight for, you know, the camera and needed a moment to make the season somewhat pop.

Okay.

Fine with that. But then what they didn't show, and I don't know where you want to go, Carla. Like, we don't talk. So I don't know where you want to go.

We don't talk, right.

So what I was going to say, and tell me if I'm going too soon and you want to back up about it, but where they didn't show a lot of it was the talk between Heather and I.

Okay, so let's start here then because what was interesting.

As I was watching... was part two.

Not part two of the episode, because it was a continuation from last week.

I mean part two of y'all conversation.

Because y'all had one at the top of the episode, and then y'all had a second one. So before we get into that, because again, like you said, don't know where you're going with it, but I do want to start at least with how the episode began. And what was so interesting is you and Heather... are having a standoff.

It gave like one of those old school cowboy movies where you're like, and you're standing with your harness and your weapon.

So in this moment, Alexis, we have.

You know, you're telling Heather she's insecure. Heather is saying she's not insecure. And she says, bye, bitch. Which I thought was.

So... Good TV.

You think I'm Heather and I think good TV. So it's okay.

Which goes hand in hand.

It does.

It works.

It works. I... I couldn't even form words because I was so hurt by even her, like, I thought she'd come out and be like, oh my gosh, I can see you're upset. Like I was visibly like trying to hold back tears that whole time. I thought she'd come out and be like, oh my gosh, you're actually upset because I thought we were friends, right? Like still kind of whatever, somewhat friends. And I still think, I don't even know. We'll get into, we'll unpack all that as this episode goes on. But, um, it was just so much because I didn't want to go. I felt there was something in my gut saying, this is going to happen.

Something's going to happen. They've got something up their sleeves. And it did. And I didn't have my composure. I was emotional. I had PTSD from season 18. And I just, I did lose it. And I'm okay with that. You know what? I live in the, because this is what I've always taught my kids. is you don't hold your feelings back because if you do, then it's all going to be inside and you can't get it out. Well, guess what I've done? I've withheld a lot of moving forward to the inside scene. I've held a lot in about how I feel about what Heather did to me after season 18. So yeah, I did have a moment on camera and it was real. And this is the thing about reality TV, Carlos, that's so interesting is that

It is real time. And they don't, they can cut and edit it however they want it to be portrayed or whatever they want it to show. But it's real. You're not on a script. It is real TV. So if I would have known, you know, looking back that I would have behaved that way or had those emotions just come overflowing to where my husband couldn't even calm me down, then I would have said no. But that's what I felt in the Uber on the way there.

So why didn't I say no then? But when we move inside and you want to talk about inside, then we can talk.

So let's talk about the fact that, you know, Heather says that you're mad because she told Shannon about the footage that.

John had of the crash.

And Heather said you nor John told her not to tell Shannon because And that even if you did, she would have done it anyway. She would have told Shannon anyway. How did that make you feel?

Well, you know how it made me feel because I looked at the cameras and said, thank you for capturing that. Because it shows you exactly Heather's, Heather had no point. Okay, so let me back up real quick. When John and I, it was John, by the way, that disclosed this information to Heather because it was not mine to share with her.

Okay.

I did know about the videos. I do know about the whole incidents. I have watched it all. I know it all. However, it's not mine to share. It's John's. But yet I'm the one that's the TV character and trying to live a reality life. So it all kind of came to a head. We told Heather in confidence. And yes, she did know it was in confidence. And by the way, Carlos... She told us, do not ever tell anyone this information. You cannot share this with anyone.

This is you guys need to go twice. She told us that on the phone. And then when we were at Rare Society Restaurant, she said, do not ever share this information, Alexis. You guys cannot. And John always said, what's wrong with the truth? My truth is not bad. You know what?

Hey, John.

Hold on a second.

Hold on.

Hold on. Johnny.

Raindrops.

I think she's getting John. We're about to get an exclusive.

Here's the problem, Carlos. I'm about to start. I don't even know if he's going to do this.

Okay.

I have a favor and we can, I know we can cut all this. I'm so mad and my heart's racing, but here's the deal. There was never honey.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

He's dressed in pajamas. I don't even know.

Okay.

We can cut Carlos. We can cut.

Good morning, John.

Okay. I'm about to say the truth and I don't want to speak for you, but here's the thing we were just talking about and we have a flight to catch. So you've got to make this quick. If you even want it, this is the problem. We have 44 minutes to get through this whole episode.

Go ahead.

I feel if I'm, I'm about to, you're on the whole Heather. I'm talking about the, what happened last night when Heather said, okay, here's, let me back up real quick. So when we went inside and I'm talking to Heather and, They cut out like 12 minutes of our conversation. I was actually telling Heather, my beef with you is that after season 18, you disclosed that John was physically assaulted by Shannon. Never Heather's to share. That's when they picked cameras up after the reunion. That was the nail in my coffin.

Okay.

I was still upset about that. They cut all that out.

Okay.

They then cut to when Heather goes, oh, but John heard the crash. Okay.

Okay. OK, I get.

OK, so.

So, John, first of all, good morning. You guys have a flight to catch and I appreciate.

Going on the flight in pajamas. That's why you only have 44 minutes. I can't.

I know.

So so I want to make I want to make sure I understand why you brought him in. So, John, Alexis, your beautiful wife, was telling us that when you and her were with Heather, I'm assuming Terry was there, that when you spoke about having the footage of the crash, Alexis said that Heather told you guys, do not tell anybody this information and keep it to yourself.

Well, Yeah, what she told people not to tell anybody about was that I heard the crash. And here's the part like.

But yet then she goes back on national camera or national television and lets everyone known unbeknownst to us and also private information that we did never want to share with anyone. We were going to take... Hold on. Now I'm regretting inviting you in.

Okay.

We told each other we were going to take this to the grave.

Okay?

Okay. John had every opportunity to share this with America. All of the season 18 that the footage we had and all this, we decided, you know what? We're going to protect Shannon and not tell anyone. Well, Thank you, Heather, for giving us this platform because now we have to and we don't even want to. But guess what? I was going to do it. And then I'm like, you know, and in my mind just now, Carlos, I'm like, everyone's going to beat me up because I'm speaking for John again.

He happens to be packing, taking care of our dogs, getting us out of this house. So guess what? Now he can tell us. Finally tell. Thank you, Heather, for your un... thoughtfulness of sharing information that was never yours to share. John, please tell Little Kate.

The problem, Carlos, is, and I mean, you know this as a producer more than anybody, that reality TV a lot of times is not real. And what I mean by that is there are so many lies by omission. And the Heather comment, I mean, even the way it came out where they said, Heather told Shannon that that, you know, I had disclosed that he hit me. You know, and I never wanted to talk about this, but I'm so sick of being the bad guy. Let me talk.

So I'm so sick of being the bad guy and this false narrative that's out there about me that is so unfair. And I like Terry and Heather, and I don't know why she's doing this, but she keeps bringing this up that John heard the crash as if it's some kind of a smoking gun. And that comment by itself does kind of make me look bad. So the audience is left thinking, wow, he heard the crash and he didn't do anything. So here's the truth, is that that night was a horrible night. And everybody talks about Shannon got in her car because she was so upset by this horrible fight that she had. There was no fight on my side. Shannon showed up. We were broken up.

She showed up at my house uninvited and inebriated beyond belief and had lost her phone. And I'm always the person that solved her problems. And so I helped her find her phone, but I didn't bring it back to my house. I left it on the front door of the house she was staying at, which was 150 yards away from my home, because I didn't want her to be staying at my home. I wanted her out of my home. When she realized I didn't bring the phone back, she went into a Tasmanian devil-like craze and physically attacked me, not hitting me once, but just a barrage of scratches and punches and kicks and And all I was doing is trying to just back away and prevent myself from getting hurt. I never put a hand on her. Okay,

so that's important that I was physically attacked for about five minutes. Then my daughters show up and the thing goes out front and I tell my daughters what's going on. Shannon comes out, she's screaming and yelling in the neighborhood. Lights are going on. People are waking up and she's trying to get in her car. I am physically preventing her from getting in her car. And other people don't know this. I was trying everything I could in my power without putting hands on her to not have her get in her car and drive. I offered Ubers. She could walk home easily. And finally, Because people are starting to come outside, I step aside and I remember saying, Shannon, you're a drunk idiot and you're going to be arrested tonight. Ominous,

you know, prophecy there because she was in fact arrested. She pulls out of my driveway, like floors it backwards. Ominous? Literally comes within a half an inch of hitting one of my daughters. And it blows me away that the Bravo audience just kisses that off as no big deal. If anybody in the audience that hears this had their daughter almost hit by a car by a drunk maniac, would they blow it off as, oh, no big deal?

It was a big deal.

So.

So when I was trying to prevent her from getting in the car, she attacks me again. Again, lights are going on. People are coming outside. I'm being physically assaulted again. So I stepped aside and I said those words. She got in, pulls out, goes around. Of course, I hear the crash. My instinct is to go run to the crash.

I start to do that. Both my daughters stop me and say.

Dad, you can see they yank on his shirt and say, no, dad, don't go. We'll go.

So they wanted to prevent me getting near her where she attacks me again and there's another big scene. So they said, we will go. They immediately went to check out on my behalf to see that Shannon was okay. That when they go around the corner, Shannon is pulling away from the scene of the crime. So we are left to assume she must be okay. She's drove away from the scene of the crime.

But then an hour later, Archie shows up. Okay, we gotta go.

So I'm almost done with the story. So basically then the police arrive at my house an hour later with Archie. And so I took Archie in and took care of him. It was obvious to me what had happened. She had been arrested. I was on the phone with Shannon's daughters literally all night long. I did not sleep. I was there at the jail to pick her up the next morning. Remember, we're broken up and she had attacked me and done all this stuff. I put it all aside. And in her darkest moment, I took care of her. I picked her up. I picked 10 days. I picked her up from jail. I took her home. I went and got her groceries. I fed her. I bathed her. I took her to her doctor's appointments. I took care of this woman and then delivered her to Vicki Gumbelson's house on

the 10th day. At that point, there's some other things that happened that I finally called Shannon and said, I can't be in your life. It's too chaotic. There's too much negative that comes with it for me and my family. And that's when I completely cut ties with Shannon. So back to the lie by omission. I don't understand Heather Dubrow isolating this one comment. John heard the crash.

By the way, Heather heard all of this. John disclosed and was so thought like, like thought he was sharing it with good.

Friends to be short. Let me make it short. Cause I'm, I'm wrapping this up. A lie by omission is that, you know, all the information, and you choose to disclose one piece of it that leaves a very false impression. So saying John heard the crash without the before of the physical attacks and the after of my daughter's immediately going to see that Shannon was okay, leaving that out is a lie by omission, and it's unfair, and I'm sick of being the bad guy. I'm not. I was a good guy on that night. And I was a good guy for 10 days afterwards for Shannon. And that's the story.

And John, first of all, thank you for that. I know you have to run. I just want to say, because the audience will ask me to ask you this. And for the record, you told Heather all of this.

I told Heather. It was a moment. We were friends. I mean, at least we thought we were. And we thought we could share in confidence. It's hard to have all this information and people have all these things they're thinking out there. And you kind of want some people to know, even though I wasn't prepared to go completely public with it because I wanted to protect Shannon and her daughters.

Why?

But it is not. You do want some people to know just so, you know.

Well, we also thought they were our friends. And so Heather and Tamara both knew all of this information. They knew about everything. We thought we were going to friends who could help guide us through this because I said, how am I supposed to film Shannon now, knowing all of this, knowing she almost hit my stepkid? How am I supposed to film the rest of the season? And I've seen it.

I watched a lot of it.

How am I supposed to film?

Carlos, anything else you want to ask me before I go?

No, I appreciate your ability to speak on this, because I know that it was hard to watch last night.

So thank you for your... story and i'm not afraid that needs to be heard that's the.

Thing literally i'm not afraid of the truth the truth is not bad on my side it doesn't look good for shannon but i'm not afraid of it and by the way good to see.

You good to see you john safe travels.

Our now we're 15 minutes behind schedule so you that was a long thing we gotta go no by the way go ahead lexus Well, I was just going to say none of this would have been talked about today. None of this would have been talked about last week if Heather Dubrow had not shared information that she then goes on a confessional and says, well, I would have told Shannon anyway. Okay, well, that shows also the kind of friend you are. So people do not tell Heather things that you want close to your heart because she obviously isn't going to be a vault. That's all I'm going to say. And this is the other part that sucks. Carlos, is I do care about Heather. I do like her.

I do have this weird love in my heart because I thought we were friends. Why else would my husband only tell two people in the entire world that true story from everything? Because I was pent up not knowing where I was going to take this information. Where do I go with this information now that I've just... I found this out when I'm already filming, Carlos.

So.

I was just like, oh, my gosh, you could have told me this a couple months ago, John. And so we were going to people that we thought are in the entertainment world that would be able to help navigate me how to film with someone as a cast mate, as an employee. And so this is the reality. So you're welcome at Reality with the King. Well, I did not know.

Also.

I feel not well, right? This is a lot of living that night again, because I can see it all playing in my mind again is very difficult. So this is going to be a really hard pod to do.

Well, listen, first of all, and I have to catch up. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

And listen, I feel like when it comes to all of that, we can move on to the other scenes because I feel like there's nothing else that needs to be said based on what.

The audience watch.

Um, And I thank you and John for.

Discussing this with me because at the end of the day, like he said, he's only talking about this and so are you because.

Of what y'all filmed.

If that moment, in y'all defense, right? Heather was the one that said it out loud, right?

We would never.

Have done- John told me, Lex, I'm going to take this to the grave. And I said, it's really hard because I know. And by the way, it wasn't the only time she physically assaulted him. There were four others and he had to put or five and she had to put makeup on him. Never apologized to him. Never talked about it. So my husband put up with a lot.

So for now, it all to be coming out. And I didn't know it was going to be on Carlos King. He had that interview. The last interview he was ever going to do with Bryce.

Yeah.

That was his last, he hasn't spoken. He has been in the back, you know, but here you go.

Yeah. Now listen, totally get it. Totally get it.

This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. So raindrops, you have it. So we can move on Alexis.

I know. Again, there's nothing else needs to be said after that.

But thank you.

I think your.

Opinions, I mean, you can talk. It's just, it's, I feel.

No, no, no, no, no. I will say this. I will say this.

When you have a second conversation with Heather, is there anything that you want to disclose that we did not see in terms of why you wanted it?

Because, listen, I know the audience. And I haven't read any comments, but I know them.

The audience will more than likely feel like, okay, Alexis, when she said bye, you can go. they would want to know, why did you stay? Why did you want to have another conversation? They think, they think, you know, some, not all, some people, Alexis is thirsty. She wants camera time. She could have left.

Why stay? Why are you there?

Why do you want another conversation with Heather? Why did you want to have another conversation with her?

That is so, that's such a good question. And I never would have even thought to ask that, but that's why you're good at your job. Um, Because we were outside and I had been crying. You saw how emotional I got like that. But then I shut the tears off and Heather, you know, walks off and I'm like, bye.

And Joe, my husband, Tamara, producers, everybody were saying, go back in. Like, dry your tears. Just go back in.

Like, you know.

My makeup artist did a great job, like I told you, because you couldn't even tell. I kept looking at my compact. They don't show this, but it's funny. Because I'm looking at my compact, like, do my tears, can you see streaks? There was nothing. Thank you, Jennifer, for my makeup. And so... everyone's like, you are friends with most of those people in that party. Why are you letting certain ones? And then I know that the housewives, when you're a cast member, you're going to be glue. You're going to do what you have to do. I'm not a member.

I get it.

I get the whole scene and the way that they all were talking bad about me in there and oh, this and that. But I'm still friends with most of those girls and I don't even blame them for it. I don't blame them for it. I know it's like, oh my God, now she's coming over here. We don't want the drama. I went back in Because of the fact that everyone said, don't, it's going to look real bad if you leave right now. My gut again, sometime my gut said, oh, my Uber had pulled up. We paid that Uber to leave. You know, sorry, we're not getting in. Went back in the party. I did get to hug and see a bunch of people and take a bunch of photos with friends that I actually missed.

I hadn't seen Fernanda in forever. I hadn't seen a lot of the people forever. So it was really nice. And then Joe, as you saw in the scene, is real, pulled me over and said, you need to go talk to Heather. You guys are friends. This is ridiculous. Well, then when I go talk to Heather, I didn't know she was when I said we do have a beef, Heather.

She knows we have a beef. She has said things and she can't blame it all on me that I went on this podcast. I only went on the podcast and called her feckless, which means lack of character because of the fact that she couldn't come. She wouldn't choose. You know, she was talking on Watch What Happens Live about how they're not real friends with John and I as a couple. And I was a hard, hard ask to go to Alexis's wedding. That is why I went back in. And when we were having that talk with her, I had no idea she was then going to, I started saying in that talk, I said to Heather, you know, my biggest beef is that you, what you did after season 18. And I started talking about how she threw John under the bus about the fact that John had

been physically assaulted by Shannon. And the way that the girls all behaved, like it was no big deal that a woman just physically assaulted a man. It, is beyond me. But so she disclosed that after season 18, but then Carlos, the kicker to all this is at that party outside of Tamara's Vena party. When we're talking, they, they cut all that part out. She then goes, but let's get to the real Alexis. John heard the crash. And I'm like, Oh my God. Now you're even giving more information that is like he said, I never looked at it like that, but there you're giving more. So the reason I went back in was simply to have fun. and not leave the scene being like, oh, she stormed off and it backfired again on me. And I'm okay with it because

I did go in with good intentions. I did get to hug some people that I hadn't seen for a while. I didn't know Heather was going to go below the belt again and talk about a second thing was not hers. I just do one and talk about the physical abuse John suffered for the relationship. She then talked about him hearing the crash. But now at least you guys know the truth. Moving on.

My last question about this. Shannon confronted you and says you want a storyline and to keep her name out of your mouth. Why did you feel the need to walk away and not address it head on?

Well, they didn't air it, but I said, shut the fuck up, Shannon. So they didn't show me saying that. But I don't know why. I mean, that would have been, I said, shut the fuck up, Shannon. Tamara judge heard it and was no, I said, shut the fuck up, Shannon. So, you know, keep my name out of your mouth. You know, what's funny is that I said that, like I said that comment in the press, like two months in when she kept talking about how John was this and John and Alexis and this and that. And I was like, she just needs to keep my name out of her mouth.

And so she took my line. So you're welcome, Shannon, for that. So good. I'm glad that you got to use some of my, my material. That's not scripted and not thought of until the moment of. You know, I'm sitting there watching the party and I'm like, she's sitting there saying, keep the name, my name out of your mouth about me. And I'm like, she can't stop talking about John and I, the whole party. And then she's like, when they're getting ready to like roast me, she's like, oh yeah, come on, come on. And I'm like, oh my God, you, you're talking about me. You are so cringe by the way manless still I mean oh god I just feel it's horrible so I you know part of me part of me is like yeah it was really hard for me to watch that episode and I

I do do I regret it or not that's a really good question do I regret being that emotional I'm not sure I do because it was authentically in that moment, having those feelings that I've been keeping built like inside, just keep building up. And this is why you tell your children, don't hold your feelings back. If I had expressed my feelings before, I wouldn't have reacted that way at the party.

Yeah.

No, I agree. I agree.

And I believe in telling people how you feel in the moment too. So Thank you for that. I know we're on limited time because you got to run and catch a flight, but.

We have 16 minutes. We're good.

Okay.

The rest of this out in 16 minutes.

No problem.

No problem, girlfriend. Let's get.

So the girls are in Tokyo. They arrive in Tokyo. Tamara and Jen are sharing a room.

Shocker.

In the words of Jen, hell half froze over. So happy that the dynamic duo are there. So while they're sharing a room, Tamara says that on the car ride there, Emily was complaining about Shane saying that he makes her feel like a bad mom because when Emily asked Shane, like, what are you going to do while I'm in Tokyo?

He told her the same thing I always do, take care of the kids.

Well, first of all, when I saw this scene, I was like, Carlos was right last episode that Emily wants to make it look like Shane's the bad guy. I think it's too tango in this relationship. I think they're both kind of burnt out. I think you were right about what you said about Emily wants out and she wants to make it look like so she has a scapegoat when she does file that it's like, okay, he was the bad guy. I don't think Shane's the bad guy.

I just don't. I don't know why. I know people love to hate him too and people do love him. He's polarized. However, I just like him. And I think he's funny. I think he's doing the best he can. I think he gave up his career so that his wife could flourish and have her career. That's just my two cents. And you know, the only way we would know is if we would get one of them on the pod to tell us the truth. They ain't coming on your pod after all this.

Shane goes rogue. I don't want to talk to Emily. I'm good. Jamie reach out to Jamie let's try to get.

Shane on the show I would love to talk to Shane DM him please thank you okay here's the deal even when the girls were at dinner and thank you for that because I thought about our conversation last week too um.

I was like, I was like, oh my gosh, Carlos was right. She's going to paint him as this bad guy so that she gets out of the marriage easier. And it's like, oh, he's been abusing me. I was like, she literally is doing exactly what Carlos predicted. And you and I don't get that. We don't get the episodes early. No, we have time.

We watch it in real time when it comes on. No, the thing is this.

I even said last week, which is so funny, so as the girls were having dinner, it was so interesting because, you know, she once again is complaining about Shane. She reveals that they sleep in separate rooms. They barely say good morning to each other. But this is the part that got me.

I was like, yeah, I know what you're doing.

So when, I believe it was Tamara or Jen, who were like, you're smoking hot now. Do you think he's insecure? You're always outside. You look great.

And she's like, well, I don't know. You have to ask him.

And I'm like, I said last week, because Emily, and more power to you, girl. Emily looks amazing. And she looks like a completely different person than she was when she started the show. Obviously, she looks different than she was when they were married. Emily looks amazing right now. And what I know from my experience being a producer in this business for 20 years, the reason why housewives divorces are at an all-time high is not always about what the man did.

The majority is, right?

But there's a sector of the population of housewives where The woman wants something else. I believe because Emily looks so fucking good. And listen, this is no shade to Shane. Shane is not the most attractive guy in the world. And I think at that time in their marriage, I think Emily thought that was the best she can get.

And on top of that, he has a lot of money. Now that she's who she is now, I think she wants something different. And I think she's setting up the divorce. The way Bronwyn on Salt Lake City set up the divorce with Todd.

Like Dorit set up the divorce with PK.

All of a sudden, we're hearing PK's the biggest alcoholic in the world.

And I'm like, I might think it's not true.

But shit, none of this was even introduced to us. And now we understand, oh, you.

Want a divorce.

I think Emily is setting up a divorce and I will go on record saying, and I don't care who gets mad at me, I feel bad for Shane. Wow.

Well, you did say this last week before we even got to this part of it where she's saying she doesn't know if divorce is in the future. All I want to say is I do feel bad for Shane. I do think he doesn't have the voice that the Housewives have, but he, you know what? Unfortunately, you can crash and burn because look at what happened with Vicki Gumbelson.

She's sitting there saying it's not better. The grass isn't greener on the other side. Like, try to stick with it. So you may think you're hot as, you know. looks fade is all I'm going to say. Stop the GPL ones and life's going to be different.

Okay.

You know, stop, stop being able to go to the gym so much. Life's going to be different. Um, um, you know, I'm just saying looks fade family doesn't. So at all costs, I would try to stay. Should Shane, maybe now that he's seen this episode, should he curb back a little bit on his, you know, dry humor towards her?

Yeah.

That would be easy for him to do.

Right.

Um, should she maybe help out more at home to where he feels like he's being heard too and not so run thin? I'm not, I don't think Gina was, I don't think Gina was bad to try to give information or like advice about, Oh, get, get someone to do your laundry, get this help Shane out. I don't think that was bad information to give her bad advice. However, you know, maybe both of them just need to give a little bit more and then you'll be back in the same bedroom. But I will tell you one thing, Carlos.

When you start sleeping in separate bedrooms, it's the kiss of death. And my ex and I, for three years, it was like I would be on one side of the bed and I would put pillows down. I'd be like, we were like, and then I would, he would go to, it was, it's the kiss of death. It is, it is when you finally have gotten to the indifferent phase that she said, which is also scary. It is almost impossible to get back from the indifferent phase. I got indifferent within five, like five years before it actually happened.

I started to just be this shell of myself. So I, I think, I think it's, it doesn't look good, but you know what? Here's the one thing I will say. I know we're podcasting. So we're here for entertainment also, but I don't care how mean someone's been to me, Emily. However, I don't like, she called my husband a trash can and I'm the lid.

Okay.

So fuck you bitch. But here at the same time, I'm, My heart does still hurt for them. Are you kidding? Like, I don't want them to go through a divorce. Their kids are not going to want this. If they think raising Luke is hard now, try it when you're in separate households and you're sharing him 50%. It's going to be hard as the F-bomb.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I do put them together.

I don't think I'm going to. I agree. I agree. I agree. I don't wish this on anybody.

And the thing is, I'm not going to name a housewife who I know experienced this, but I worked with a housewife who thought the grass was greener and realized that it wasn't.

And I.

Understand that when you get married so young... You get married to the person at that time in your life that you think is the perfect guy for you, and I get that. The one thing that I think Emily is doing that I don't like is the fact that Shane, unless she's telling me something different, based on what she's saying to me, Shane hasn't done anything to deserve the treatment she's giving to him, especially when Jen even said, I hate to say this, this is what Jen said to Tamara, But I wonder, even when Emily has free time, if she's hanging out with the kids and helping.

That's the thing. And that's why I said, I don't hate Gina's advice about, okay, if Emily doesn't have the energy to do it, because by the way, filming Housewives, I'm going to stick up for Emily right now. God, thank you for giving me a soft heart. But filming Housewives is not easy. It is not an easy job.

You are so stressed out. You are so tired because you're running ragged. You get back from Tokyo and you have an interview the next day that you have to be in glam for. You don't get to breathe. So your kids do not see you for those months. So yeah, if Emily isn't helping out and is not able to when she gets home, I think what Gina said is right.

Why not get a little bit more help around the house? You know, they can afford it because Shane's parents have money growing on trees, apparently. So- Go to them and get a little bit more and figure it out. I don't know. I still feel bad for Shane and I still don't want them to. I hope what we're saying is not true and that they work it out by the end of the season 20.

Yeah, yeah. No, same, same, same. Okay, so I want to get into the fortune part before I let you go. They had a fortune reading.

I want to read you each person's reading and you tell me whether you think it's going to come true, okay?

Or if it was accurate, okay. Gina's, when spring comes, all trees and grasses.

Are in full bloom.

Wealth will grow large. Marriage, employment, and starting a trip are all right.

Okay, well, first of all, can I ask you one thing, really, truthfully? Sure. Per person, were these just randos?

Okay, you're asking me if you think a producer wrote this or do you think it was random?

I wonder if it was set up. Was this set up in any way? Or even Gina wrote them? Or is this real? Because you know why when you read all of them, you'll know why. Because they sound like. I'm like, this is just... I open a lot of fortune cookies because we love Chinese food. I don't eat the fortune cookie because I don't like the taste of it. However, I open my fortune... And I never get a fortune like this. It's never this close to me. My best one might be like, your luckiest numbers are six and nine.

I'm like, okay.

Yeah, six and nine.

I'm like, I don't know where these fortunes came from.

Because.

too many of them were like not good. And then a couple of them were so good. And I'm like, okay, this has got to not, this could not be.

That's my experience too. So here's what's funny. I think because what they were doing, I, when I did a housewives and the, and my raindrops would know this season four, we're in Africa and long story short, they had like this profit psychic type of individual read each girl.

And, um, We did not produce that.

And he said things that were, that was kind of pertinent to their storyline.

And we thought that was so funny.

And on Ultimate Girls Trip season four, when the girls went to the Philippines, another prophet, psychic type of person told Portia, I see you're a lesbian and I see you with a woman.

And four years later, she's with a woman.

So that's why my mind goes to, I would hope that, gosh, that did not happen.

So I'm going to believe that it did.

Plus, plus, plus, plus, I know the producer, the showrunner, and he wouldn't do that because he was actually with me when we were filming these moments. And he's all about the authenticity. So no, I thought it was convenient. But that's the question.

Okay, so now go back. I loved Gina's. I do believe it. I think that... I do think marriage will be... I think they might get married in the next.

Year or two. I do.

I don't know.

We'll see.

And I think wealth is coming towards her because she is good at all those commercials and she's got some charisma on camera.

She's good. I really do love Gina. And I want you guys to stop giving her a hard time. I love Gina.

There's a freshness about her. I'm not sure what it is. But there's something fresh and just. I don't feel like she picks a bunch of sides. I think she's really good at not being, not Switzerland like Heather Dubrow is, but, like, she's good at picking, not picking sides, but, like.

Heather Dubrow's not even Switzerland. She's Antarctica.

Like, she's... Well, you know what I get from it now after seeing her sit there and say, well, I was going to tell Shannon anyway. It's like, yeah, I trust her as much as I trust that tree branch I can see out there. But... With that said, I do care about her.

I do like her. Because you're a good person. You're a good person.

Speaking of Heather, hers was everything does not go smoothly.

Where does that even go?

It was so random. I was like, is that it? Did we miss more of this?

There's so many. Like doesn't go smoothly in life. Doesn't go smoothly with your not being an authentic friend and a trustworthy friend. Does it go not be smooth in your finances? Like where does that even go? I don't even know.

Okay.

That was, I wish she would have had a little bit more on hers. Darn it. Okay.

It was strange. Okay.

James was marriage and employment are both bad.

Well, I don't even like that one because I don't wish bad on anyone in this thing. I've been divorced. I, gosh, and they do have a date set, right? She said that on one of the, I just, I hope that's not right. I'm glad they burned that one.

What do you think? Oh, I'm like you. I don't wish bad on anybody.

I just don't want. I mean, she's great on the show. She brings a lot to the show. Like, I don't know. So employment, I would hope, is not bad. And if they are getting married, let's not even speak that in the universe. Like, burn that sucker.

Really fast.

Burn it.

Double burn it.

Shannon's was, good luck will come to you from the heavens. The person you're waiting for will come.

God help him.

Tamara's was, talk with tongue entangled by your getting drunk. Gives no unpleasant impression. There may be a little trouble in your family, but when you believe in God and ask for happiness, you can get calmed down.

The person you waited for will come late.

Do you see why I feel like these are all scripted?

I know!

When you go down it and you're doing this, I'm like, this was frickin' set up. I'm sorry. There are times on national television where some things are done that aren't real. I feel like this is a non-real moment. Whether Gina did it or the producers or someone in the restaurant, there is just no way. Because that is exactly what Tamara needed to hear. And she even got a real tear.

It wasn't a crocodile tear. She even started to tear up. Okay, so there you go. That's my true sense about it.

As I'm reading, it's funny.

That's why, to your point, to your point, as I'm reading this, even I'm like, why are some longer than others?

But whatever. I agree with you.

And why are they so curved and cued just for that in some way? How did out of all.

Okay, hold on.

Question for you. How did out of all six housewives that went, how did the two that are proposed to and engaged have marriage in their okay those odds carlos hello the wheels are turning those odds are like this you and i are there and yours says marriage and we know you're not supposed to marriage what if mine said marriage and i'm like dude i'm already married and you throw it away you're like okay marriage isn't coming around the corner well you're in a year late people like there's just the odds of that are just way too i'm sorry not buying.

It how much time I can understand your skepticism. I actually can.

Well, you didn't at first. You defended the production side first.

No, I'm still defending it.

I'm just saying it's not like you're coming out of thin air with this thought.

I understand. Because even I'm like, Alexis' argument is very strong. We saw raindrops.

Our poll for this week, do you believe the fortune was written by the producers, or do you think this really happened the way it was?

Producers or Gina?

Do you think the fortune was written by the producers slash Gina, or do you think this really happened?

Okay.

Up next, Vicky.

Your mind.

I have five more minutes, so I packed you on the time just so we would stay on. Okay, so what's your... Keep going. And I love the poll. Okay.

Okay, so raindrops, Spotify comments, tweet us, all the things. YouTube comments, leave us.

Okay.

Vicky, your mind is unsettled, wondering to leave or stay. By the way, I'm going to finish the rest. I thought of her leaving or staying on Housewives immediately.

Okay.

Immediately.

That's why I'm like, these not seem. Like it's just too good to be true. One of them, if these fortunes were true, one of them would have said, Vicky or whoever, you're about to pop out another kid or we see kids in your future. That's what would have been on because it's like, okay, I am 60. I've already been through menopause.

This isn't happening. Okay, no.

So I'm just saying when you get a fortune cookie for real at.

A Chinese restaurant or a Japanese establishment, you are going to get something that's that out of sync with what's really happening in your life.

And not one of them did. All of the fortunes aligned with what's going on in those women's lives. So is that all of them or do we have it? They should have drawn one for Carmella.

That's right. They did. And that's so interesting.

Okay.

What were you going to say now?

Okay.

So finishing Vicky's, hers goes, I mean, hers continues as all your deeds and work, all your deeds and work, your mind doesn't stay still and will lose right away. Stop marriage of any kind.

I totally forgot that part of it.

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, I love my Vicky and people can beat her down all they want, but I love Vicky and she's, she deserves to be married if that's what she chooses and her mind doesn't stop. So that's very true. And she does a workaholic. I mean, if there's any kind of a holic on her, it's workaholic.

I'm not touching that one. Okay. Okay.

Last but not least, Emily's. Your gym has no flaws, and it will glisten better when you polish. Your hope will become true. It is good for you to make a trip. Both marriage and employment good.

See? Now we know her marriage isn't good.

See?

That's production or Gina trying to say Emily... don't give up on your marriage because the people that are divorced in this unit of women know that divorce is not greener. The grass is not greener when you're divorced. Sorry. I got to keep it real, Carlos. I can't, I can't buy into all of it. Someone wrote those. I'm not going to claim who somebody put those in the canisters before they pulled them out. And, but by the way, it's good TV. That's all I'll end with.

It's good.

It was good. No, it was good. It was good. It was good. It was good.

All right.

So listen, next week, the ladies are still in Tokyo.

And Alexis, next week, Tamara Judge versus Vicky Goverson on comments that Vicky allegedly made about Tamara's relationship with her daughter, Sydney, and why they're not speaking. Whoa.

I will have a lot to say about that. And by the way, Carlos, I am so glad that we don't have to talk about me ever again on one of these episodes. Thank you. You're welcome, everybody, for the entertainment. I am going to go in therapy to learn how to move past the PTSD so I don't cry on TV like that again.

It was a joy to watch you with the girls. I will say that.

I will say that.

It was good. All right.

So rain gobs, let us know our poll again. Do you think the fortune was written by Gina or producers? Or do you think it was real? Let Alexis and I know.

Alexa, I love you. You and John say travels. Bye, babe.

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