Whitney Rose-Colored Betrayal | RHOSLC Recap with Monica Garcia

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

Hey, Raindrops.

On today's episode of Reality with the King, honey, Queen Monica and I are recapping another episode of Salt Lake City. First of all, listen, I need to tell you guys, subscribe to my Patreon because Monica be looking the fuck good.

Monica, this hair.

Thank you. You always make me feel so good, Carlos. Thank you.

It looks amazing. Balls.

I'm so.

Thank you.

No, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it so much.

So look, I love how you look, but unfortunately we have to talk about some breaking news. That is so beautiful because this is a friend of yours. And one thing about me, I, of course, don't like to see anyone get a divorce unless it's something that needs to happen.

Right.

Salt Lake City star Whitney Rose has officially filed for divorce from her husband, Justin Rose, after nearly 17 years of marriage.

Okay.

In Utah, many other documents filed within a divorce case are classified as private and But page six can confirm that Whitney submitted a proposed parenting plan as well.

Wow.

As we saw at the top of this season, yes, we're going to get into that too.

As we saw at the top of this season, we know that Whitney has said that they're living separate lives and that they're never together, even when they're in the same place like the gym.

What are your thoughts on this, Monica?

It sucks. Like, honestly, there's no other words for it other than it sucks. I actually, I love them together. I love their family. I really do. It's like I'm shocked, but I'm not. And that's kind of like sad to say, but unfortunately these rumors have been swirling for a long time. But I am shocked. I'm so sad because I really thought they were just the cutest couple. He adored her.

Yeah.

I mean, he's so great. He was the nicest person to me. I'm so sad. I'm so sad. This one hurts me. This one hurts me. It really does. I hate it. I love them together.

Can I ask you this?

Cause listen, obviously the beautiful thing about having you on is.

Obviously, you know, these women, right.

And we are, we're only, listen, even as a producer, I'm aware that we're only seeing an edited version of the lives.

Um, but like you, I always thought like great couple. He adores her. They're very like sexy together.

Um, Yeah.

She's her friend. And I don't want you to say anything.

Not that you would, but I just want to go on record saying I'm not asking Monica to reveal tea to me that she doesn't want to. I'm only asking for context in terms of.

Did. Did you see this coming just based on. They're. where his wife is now a housewife.

And the reason why I'm asking you this is only because Alexis Jansen and I just recapped Orange County. And there's a cast member named Emily married to a guy named Shane, her husband.

Oh, yes. Emily Simpson?

Yeah.

Yes, yes, yes.

Are they getting divorced? No, no, no, no.

Oh, okay.

If you're watching this season or not, but... No.

Okay, so girl, this season... Honey, she's talking about like how he's always with the kids. He talks about like, you go out and work and we know her job is a housewife. Her job is, she has a law degree, but she doesn't practice law.

She literally practices being a housewife, right?

Okay, got it.

And he's like, I watch the kids while you go work. And she's like, oh, he resents me.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the girl said, well, because you look hot now, does that have anything to do with him trying to throw this in your face? And she's like, I haven't used... I mean, he hasn't used the divorce word, but I have. And I'm like, girl, I literally said this to Alexis. I said, Monica would say, you're pulling a Bronwyn. Oh!

You're letting us know the divorce is imminent. So my question to you is this. Say what you want like you always do.

Okay.

These divorces, to me, are happening because the ladies are housewives and.

Some of them, not all, some of them change.

Right. I.

Look.

What blows my mind is Justin lets Whitney... Okay, I have to preface this with saying, of course, outside looking in. No one knows what happens inside someone's marriage, okay? This is just my outside looking in perspective. Justin lets Whitney, Whitney, honey. And what I mean by that is she can... seems to have still been able to be a free spirit, to evolve, to digress, to become a housewife, to not be a housewife, to wild rose, to this, to that, whatever, whatever.

It set, it seemed, okay, outside looking in, that she could be anything and he would still love her and stand beside her, right? That's how it felt like he realized he was with a free spirit. And he was letting her fly in whatever way she wanted to fly. But again, I say that saying, I feel like he wouldn't care if she was a housewife. I feel like he loves supporting her in it. I feel like I'm almost like, is this, I mean, I guess she did file for whatever reason. This feels more like Whitney's decision. Like, I think Justin would have stayed beside her. I really do.

I think she could have been... Angie Kay delusional and putting the show first. And I feel like he would have stayed for her, for the kids, for whatever. And I think there's just stuff we are missing or don't know or aren't seeing or something. I don't know! Because it just seemed like he... loved her and would have just like rode off into the burning flames with her if that's what she wanted. So I don't know. This one really baffles me. It does.

It's the reason why, again, I'm only speaking as a viewer. Yes.

I don't know these people.

I'm only talking as a viewer, but also as a producer who has been doing this for 20 years and have witnessed divorces through my tenure as a producer.

I want to start.

Off by saying, and these are facts, I'm not throwing shade, to remind the audience that Whitney and Justin were both having an affair with each other while both married to other people.

Yeah.

These aren't just facts. They exposed it. I'm not revealing tea. These are facts.

No, they've been very open about it.

Yeah, just in case people are like, nope, they've said this. They were both married at the time they had an affair, and they both left their partners to be married in November of 2009.

They do share two children together.

One is 16, one is 13, and Justin has three sons from a previous marriage. What is interesting is Whitney worked as an employee for Justin at the time of the affair. The reason why I wanted to bring this up is to offer context, okay? I agree with Monica that from my purview, it does appear Justin, and this is no shade, he left his wife for her. Which means that he chose to be with her. And she left her husband for him.

All good.

The....

Idea of them not being able to work it out to me seems one-sided. I think these are the thoughts of Carlos King, on Monica Garcia. I believe that Justin would have done anything. I mean, he was shirtless on camera doing sexy time with her.

He lost his job. This man lost his job. Yeah.

Yeah. He lost his job.

And I don't have the exact verbiage that he said, but didn't he intimate that he lost his job because of the show?

Yeah, because of that scene.

That scene.

Right.

He lost his job because of that sexy time scene. So he's given up a lot. And what I will say, because we don't see everything, when a man loses his job, he loses his identity.

Because for most men.

Their occupation lies within their identity, excuse me, lies within their occupation. So maybe he was different. And maybe because he wasn't the breadwinner anymore, things were different.

Who knows?

We know that she resented him because she said those words because of the debacle of her business. But I just think we can't ignore the fact that these housewives are getting divorced. We now have Bronwyn, Whitney, and now Angie, three women within one calendar year, all filing for divorce. The entire cast of Beverly Hills Housewives divorced, right? Besides Bronwyn, who just got married. I mean, not Bronwyn, Bose, who just got married. All of the original New York City Housewives divorced.

It's wild.

All of Atlanta divorced.

Yeah.

Phaedra, Cynthia, Portia, Nene remarried. Um... Candy, all divorce. We're not going to ignore the elephant in the room that what is happening where these women, and this was crazy, besides Portia, the women all filed for divorce. Wow.

Yeah.

It's, my advice to the girls is this, And this is the thoughts of Carlos King.

I want to hear this.

Ladies, I get it. You have a new lease on life, right? Yeah.

You spent your life perhaps being in the shadows of your husband, being a stay-at-home.

Mom, or whatever.

And at that time, you enjoyed it. I understand that the moment you're on this show... You're infamous.

I mean, Monica, right? You are.

Overnight, a bitch can go to the grocery store without being stopped.

It's Monica Monroe. It's literally... The.

Day it airs, the day that shit airs, your life has changed forever. Even if your office show is still like.

Hey, bitch. You're like, hey. Yeah.

You're like, hey.

Hey, you know?

So I get it. I get it.

But ladies, I feel like you're the only person I can talk to about this.

I love it.

Because I know you'll keep it real.

A hundred.

I feel like the women start to change their look, get the GPL shot, facelift, and they feel themselves.

They're like, I'm hot. I look good.

And they desire another interest from another man. And they're on this high. And my advice to you ladies, because I've seen it, I understand all of this. But for some, not all, because some of the divorces are warranted. And I'm not saying this one isn't. But what I'm saying is be very careful because nothing lasts forever.

No, bitch.

And when you wake up from the clouds of fame. You're going to look around.

And to me, there is something about the man that was with you before Housewives that will stay with you after.

That's all I'm saying.

That part.

That's all I'm saying.

Yep. Yep.

You know, I also, I. Look, I'm going to play devil's advocate here too, okay?

Love it.

Let's go.

I love it.

I'm going to play devil's advocate too.

You're the only one. Let's go, baby.

Let's go. I'm going to hit you back, okay, with the men also get an inflated ego. They have people sliding in their motherfucking DMs. They be playing like, oh, I'm somebody now too, walking around BravoCon, like, strut, strut, strut. I am making money now as well. I be on Watch What Happens Live, sitting in the crowd, talking to my wife. I'm on the show. I have my own salary.

I'm famous too, you know? And I have girls waiting and la, la, la, la, la. And, you know, it's a. It's an internal war for both parties. It's like... Oh my God, I just blanked on his name. Mauricio on Beverly Hills. Perfect motherfucking example, honey, okay? He wasn't the wife, but bitch... Don't tell me that that fame didn't do something to that and he's out here with 20-something-year-old girls now, okay?

So I think that sort of stabs both ways. And I think that these men also get better looking, get a little hair transplant, get a little top row of veneers, okay? And they start feeling themselves as well. And they start fiddling, diddling with the little DMs too, okay? Yeah. I think it goes both ways. And I think people just lose sight.

I think they get clouded by the fame. They get clouded by the paychecks. They get clouded by filming. Inflated egos on both sides. And that's my two cents. I think it goes both ways. I think, listen, I'm in Salt Lake. And Justin been in that gym, honey, okay? So let me tell you, he's getting that divorce bod ready, okay?

It goes both ways. That door swings both ways for both of them. That's my two cents.

I love it.

Raindrops, don't you love Monte Carlo? Listen, that's why I said you're the only one.

I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.

And I have to say, Monica made some great points because she's not wrong at all. It does go both ways for sure. So Raindrops, let us know in the comments your thoughts on this. What is happening to where these housewives are getting divorces? At great volume. And it's something that needs to be studied. But as we get into this episode, speaking of divorces, Monica, Angie Kay cries to Heather that she's going through a hard time in her marriage. Now, this was the part that I was like... Yeah.

I'm so interested to hear your thoughts on this.

So, we're trying not to break the fourth wall.

Right.

Okay. You caught that too, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

So Angie says when she met Sean, she was like a child. Yeah. And now that she's been hanging out with these women who are her friends, some new, she's now more vocal, right?

Yeah, she said, I used to just go along with what Sean said, wherever he wanted to eat, wherever he wanted to go, wherever he, you.

Know, yes.

And how she's more outspoken and she's more of an adult and how he doesn't like it. And I said, okay, Monte Carlo called this months ago when we first heard.

Yeah.

When we, not heard, when y'all first heard.

Yeah, exactly. Right.

Me and Monica knew before that child.

Yep. Y'all first heard that they were having marital problems. Yes. Monica and I, unbeknownst to each other, at the same time, we both said what we heard, and it was definitely the same thing.

It was the same exact thing.

That word on the curb was that Sean allegedly felt like Angie changed because of the show. And she was unrecognizable, whether it's appearance, personality, or both. And that was the main cause of it. So as I'm listening to her do the word salad... Yes.

I was like, you're confirming Monte Carlo.

100%.

That was such bullshit. That was such bullshit to me. Like, I'm like.

Uh.

you never have made it seem like this like ever that you just bend down to Sean and now it's a problem that has never been what I took from that and you tell me your thoughts that was a very victim way of putting I want to put the show first and this is my life now and I am putting the show first and my fame first and my career first and And Sean not liking that. And that's where the head butting is happening. Perfect example is, you know, she calls them and he's driving Electra to her horse stuff. And I know that they used to always do that together. I'm never going to take away from Angie that she is an amazing mother. She loves her daughter fiercely. No one can take that from her.

She's an incredible mom. and would do anything for her daughter. But she used to be with them doing all of that. So I could see, based on what we heard, the show, the schedule, all of this has been a lot for Elektra, has been a lot for Sean. They're not as on board, allegedly, with it. And she's 100% about it. And I think that's where the whole... I'm not bending to Sean, is maybe coming from. I don't think it has to do with where you want to eat. It has to do with a much bigger reason as to what you guys are not agreeing on, in my opinion.

This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

Let's get back into the show. Yes, and I will add to that.

And again, I'm telling y'all this based on my experience working with housewives. The husbands do feel like we were a team.

And we had a routine.

Yes.

Right?

We were a team. We had a routine.

And then one husband, I'm not going to mention their names. He said to me once, all of us, before this show came along, Carlos, my wife was like stringent upon like the schedule and I would come home from work, hot meal. And we will talk and we'll put the kids to bed together. And he said, the moment the show came about, when I would ask what's for dinner, she would say to me, figure it out. And he said, I now have to not only stick to my routine, I now have to take care of the kids, feed the kids, and I don't mind doing that because I'm their dad, but you're always out. And there's not a conversation about their scheduling because you know this filming, and I know this being a producer, your schedule fluctuates every

motherfucking day.

Every day. It's different.

It's different. It's different.

Yeah.

And I think to your point, because Elektra.

Is not like a toddler or, you know, a kindergartner, she more than likely is also used to a certain routine that she doesn't have. And I think it's hard when you join.

This show, the schedule's crazy.

Yeah.

And there's no conversation amongst the family about maybe not be able to do this anymore, but how can I make it up in other ways? And that's when I brought up Emily Simpson because her husband says, you're never home.

Yeah, there's a difference with that. Yeah.

Exactly.

He said to her, you're never home.

And one of the cast members said as well, Even when Emily is free, they wonder if she even hangs out with the kids.

And I think that's the difference. And you're right, Angie's a great mom.

And these things, I just, Angie, if you're listening, I really do hope that you and Sean maybe have a conversation because if you're putting the show first before him and it's unwarranted, if he's not doing any bodily harm to you, cheating on you, disrespecting you, I would hope that after 30 years of marriage, we.

Can figure it out.

30 years and a fucking show comes along and Angie's been on what, four years?

Right?

Well, she was like in the background. She was like, no, that's no shade. No, for real. No, that's like no shade. Like, cause she, I'm saying she's been there, I think for since season one. I don't know, but like not really.

Yes. Well, it would change drastically.

Right? Like, yes.

Like she became a housewife season four.

Yes.

And this is season seven.

Yeah.

So three years, a housewife.

You mean to tell me you've been married to a man for almost 30 years and after being an official housewife for three years, all of.

A sudden a divorce is imminent? I'm sorry. I'm not buying it.

I'm not buying that he doesn't like the fact that you choose different restaurants.

It's something deeper and it's unfortunate.

And that's not... I'm so sick of that too. oh, she doesn't clean enough or she doesn't cook enough or.

Da, da, da, da.

It's like, that's petty ass shit. You guys can work through that shit. That's nothing. That's fucking nothing. It's not. And like you said, 30 years, however long you have with a person, you know, I will say she actually, it makes me emotional. I'm going to start crying. She did get me to cry this episode in her confessional.

when she was talking about Electra. And, you know, as parents, you have this hope and this vision of your family and what you're going to give your children. And she pretty much broke down in her confessional talking about, we've been able to give her this life where she has enjoyed her mother and her father in the same home her whole entire life, holidays, vacations, trips, her horse stuff, whatever it is, I can't imagine breaking that and not being able to continue to give her mother and father to her. She was just like, I don't know if I can continue to do that. And it really is, it's awful. It's so sad. I mean, you look at Justin and Whitney, they have young kids too. I mean, it's just, It sucks. It sucks. It really does. It's awful.

No, it's bad.

And even when the producer asked her in the confessional if they were intimate, she said, let's just say we're not acting like a couple.

That's, listen.

That means no.

And if y'all not intimate and y'all don't sleep in the same bed and all of those things, You know, something's going on.

Heather then asked, and I want to get your thoughts on this.

Uh-oh.

I'm about to cry.

Heather asked.

If there's anyone else. And after a long pause, it could have been editing.

Right? But Heather then asked if there's anyone else. It was a long pause. And Angie said... Awkward.

Oh! Oh!

Not, no, not, no, not, I'm not, no, not, not, not me.

She's like, me? Yeah, no.

Bitch, I'm like.

Angie sat there looking like, oh my God, she knows.

Bitch.

Did she not have the face of like, she, she knows? Bitch, stop.

She knows about me or does she know about Sean? Because we know Heather finds the tea. Yep.

I'm not saying it, but I am saying it. I thought it was very interesting.

It was a weird, obvious moment.

Yeah. Maybe everybody wants a hot supermodel as their post-divorce boyfriend.

Or some motherfuckers be out here downgrading to hell. They will have everything that they prayed for and step off that motherfucking ladder in heaven and take it to outer fucking darkness with their troll. Who knows? Downgrades are real.

I've seen it. So, moving on.

Anywho, so.

Moving on.

Listen, I feel like this is divorce court because now I'm transitioning into brahman so brahman's um hanging out with the girls and um is britney heather and i think somebody else was there so brahman's eating with them and she's talking about todd the divorce and britney's asking her like okay i'm I like real estate. So you're talking about- Oh, yeah.

He came, you know, you got to sell the house. And she asked if they own everything together. And Brahman says that everything they own is in a trust. And when it comes to the house proceeds, they split it 50-50. Brittany was still interrogating. And Brahman says, I will send you a picture of the cashier's check.

Like, bitch, get out of my business.

So much so, in her confessional, she says, maybe Brittany wants to know how much money Todd has so that she can go after him next. Implying that only women who want his for his money wants Todd.

But go ahead, baby.

I mean, not everybody is like you, Bronwyn, but anyways.

Goddamn.

Brittany catching strays for no reason.

Why?

Because she found out the truth? Please, Bronwyn. Look, If there was one thing that this episode did, it was really expose Bronwyn and her bullshit over the years with her little lies. They are coming for her.

Neck, man.

Those flashbacks, it was like lie after lie after lie after lie. Like, it was crazy. Production said.

Yes!

Oh, my God. Production said, let me run this. Who'd she piss off? I want to know. Who did she piss off in production that they were like, let me run it back to every motherfucking lie this bitch has been saying over the last couple of years. Because ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ping pong ball. And I will say this, though. These women really just have the time because not Britney with the deed on her motherfucking phone. I cannot.

I mean, WTF.

What the fuck? It's giving... Who was that? Was that Joellen?

Yes, yes.

Yes.

It was fucking Joellen. Oh, my God.

I have the court documents. I got the police report.

She said, that's not the day you were married. That's not the day he was divorced. That's not the day you gave birth, Phaedra. Wait, that's not how far along you are in your. When are you due? Oh my gosh. I can't. She said, here's the deed. Here's this. But she did catch Bronwyn in a lie. Yet again, she said, oh, you signed?

She said, yeah, I signed. But then on the paperwork, it was only Todd's signature.

Which, here's the deal.

What?

You can say what you want about Todd, right? I get it. He may not like you. I'm sorry.

He may want to eat your cherry. You know, like he may talk to you in a way that's very stern.

I get it.

I understand it. Todd is not a stupid businessman.

No.

And I think Todd, I'm going to go out on a limb.

Okay.

I think Todd did what he met Bronwyn. She's not with me for my looks.

No shade.

There's men who exist in this world that have a lot of money, not a lot of appeal. They go for it by knowing I'm going after the hottest girl because I'm able to satisfy her in ways financially.

We're not going to act like this doesn't fucking exist, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So I think he knew, bitch, you ain't going to be put on no name. No. Because I'm pretty sure.

You may eventually love me the way I love you, but just in case you don't, you want to marry, not marry, divorce me, be with a hot supermodel, do reality.

Which by the way, I just found out what I'm from from my friends.

What?

Who got married recently.

Okay.

A rich man.

Uh-huh. Come through with it.

And the prenup. He said, you are not allowed to do reality television.

No!

Yeah. And she signed it.

Yeah, in the motherfucking prenup, bitch, it says you are not allowed to do reality TV.

Yeah, because I think men know.

Never heard of that.

It was the first time I've heard of that. You're not allowed to do it. And I think men nowadays, like in this... Because she's not a reality star.

She has.

She's in proximity with the world by her girlfriends.

Got it.

And it has been approached. And I think he... You know, men.

Hmm.

Is it wrong of me to say, though, that he's so smart for that? No, because look at what we were just talking about.

I know.

I'm the motherfucker who's a... Listen.

I can even.

Listen.

I can even admit.

Smart move.

100%.

I get it. He's like, I'm just not. You're not about to get up there and do all that shit.

You're not about to expose me for farting on television, bitch. You are not about to expose me for freaking looking at pictures online. Like, I'm not... Like, I get it. For real. We just said, like, 99.9% of the time, these people end up in divorce. I totally... Look. That's wild though. I don't think I would sign.

Would you sign?

No, bitch.

I'm not signing that shit.

That is, isn't that fascinating? I think it's, I was, I was, I was fascinated by that.

That's so intriguing.

Yeah.

You know what, that kind of like opens up my mind in a way I never thought. Like, you really can be out here like, Everyone looks at a prenup financially, right? Like, money, house, cars, whatever assets you're bringing, and da-da-da-da-da. Bitch, I'm finna put in there, look, if you are watching porn, these are the reprogram... You are not allowed.

To do this.

You can only da-da-da-da-da. Like, people can really put whatever the fuck they want in there. Whatever you want.

I know, listen....

There's things in prenups that you would be surprised. Besides the reality thing, there is stuff in there in terms of. And this was more favorable towards the woman. But there was something in there where she said, if you do cheat... Yes. You have to move out within a certain amount of days.

Oh!

I'm telling you.

No, it's stupid.

And I know a guy who said, I'm sorry, a woman, it was penalties per woman he cheated with.

Like, she had her lawyer.

Count her and say, if she finds out you cheated and have proof, first of all, to say per woman lets me know you staying a bitch. She said there's a fee per woman she gets. And he signed it.

Signed it.

Bitch, this shit is more interesting than the last episode, let me tell you. Because now I'm really gonna, I'm gonna have the craziest motherfucking prenup, bitch. Let me tell you, this shit has been going through. I'm gonna have the craziest fucking prenup. You can't press charges on me for any shit if you find an air tag in your car.

Come on, air tag!

You can put shit like that in there.

You could do it.

You literally can do whatever you want as long as the person agrees to it.

If they sign.

It literally can be whatever you want.

That's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. So no, she signed it.

She couldn't do it. No, no.

And. Wow. The other thing that we learned this scene though, Monica, was she said, Brahman, that Todd gets mad. whenever he sees her with Brandon. And Heather, you know, I don't give Heather much. I'm going to give her this one, where she said, well, bitch, no man would like to see a press release of his wife, because they're not divorced, canoodling with her new boyfriend.

And the fact that y'all have a handshake agreement... you're not they.

Don't have a prenup though right.

No prenup which goes against my point earlier.

That's what i mean i'm like wait a second yeah wait this goes against everything we're saying what the fuck Why is she trying to keep him happy then? If there's no pre... Bitch, there's shit we don't know. I'm telling you right the fuck now.

This is my opinion. My opinion.

This is not adding up.

I think Bronwyn, based on what she told us was her experience, when she was in college, she got pregnant, and how she had to move, leave, you know, drop out pretty much, was struggling, boom, boom, boom. I think she met Todd and was like, hallelujah. And I think she wrote it out, pun intended. She wrote it out, pun intended. And I think when the opportunity came for the show, I'm telling you, I think Ms.

Mama said. Finally. Two years.

She said no to the show for several years before saying yes. So that's interesting too.

She wasn't. I don't think she was ready.

The thing is this.

The thing is this. Brahma's smart, which is why she's on Traders. The thing is this, because she's a strategist. I think she had to.

They need to get her out night one. If you guys are listening to this right now, get her ass out night one, bitch.

Monica, they don't have any balls with us.

She's going to take it home, bitch. She's going to win that shit. Listen to me.

She is.

Yes.

You need to vote her ass out.

Yes.

Because she will take it home.

She will. This is not shade. Whatever.

She's conniving.

No.

I think she turned it. Listen.

One or two things happened. Either Todd said no. And she's like, I can't do it. And I think after some affair could have occurred, I.

Think he said, fuck it. I'll do it.

He was in the doghouse, maybe. Doghouse.

I'll do it. That's one theory.

Yeah.

Kelsey Grammer told the world the reason why he, this is his word, he allowed Camille to do Housewives.

Yeah.

He said she've always wanted to do reality.

He would say no, but he had a girlfriend.

As a married man.

And he said, he told her, like, This is my parting gift. After you get on this show, I'm leaving you. I will set you up for success. This is what you always wanted.

Here you go.

I'm not with this world. I can't.

No, I'm telling you, Monica, this world is very fascinating. That's why reality TV is interesting when it's real.

Okay.

Thank you for that little bonus addition. A little bonus for you guys.

Yes.

So the girlies are at dinner. And Monica, I'm not sure how you feel. And I will take control of this conversation. It's a little uncomfortable.

Okay.

Whitney Rose, what type of friend are you?

So Ashley gives Whitney a ball gag because, you know, the girls went to a vibrator museum and she brought.

Her a ball gag.

Gagging gif because Whitney obviously, you know, from last week's episode, told the story.

She wanted to gag a bitch. She wants you to gag and shut the fuck up.

Shut up about the whole two-bush flaming incident. And Whitney tried to play innocent, like, what do you mean?

It's not that serious.

And then says, well, you were cozying up with Meredith who you know I have problems with. And I thought that was interesting because you talk shit about her. And then all the girls, Heather Brown, when it was like, bitch, at the biker bar, bitch, you was talking shit about Lisa and everybody. And Heather's like, yeah, it's weird that you didn't talk about Meredith at biker bar, but you did before. And she's like, I never did. And Whitney says, you don't remember what you said at my foyer?

I said.

She said, foyer.

Foyer.

And I'm like, Monica, I'm like, Whitney, what the fuck did Ashley do to you, bitch?

Like, the woman hasn't been on the show for 48 hours.

Yeah.

I'll say, Monica, I like Whitney. She's a Libra like me. Happy birthday, Libra. Bitch.

Whitney, you, bitch, you are a friend to none. I don't understand. Unless you could tell me something different and I can't wait to listen to it.

That gagged me.

Let me tell you.

Look.

Yeah. This can't be defended in any way, shape, or form. The only thing that I can think is What the fuck else is going on? The only thing I can think is there's nothing the fuck else going on. They are having to grasp at straws and pull shit out of their foyer asses to make something happen. Like, look, that's the nicest way to put this. They are sacrificing the lamb Ashley, because they ain't got shit else to say or do or anything. And so let me pull from this private conversation that they probably had, which lucky Ashley, I never got to have a meeting like that, but you know, where you get to sit down with the other housewives on this show and shoot the shit and have them kind of give their input. Cause it's, Whitney said,

they said, said themselves, we talked about the women. We talked about the dynamics in the group. We talk about how they are in the group. What the fuck is this little like pregame? Like she's so lucky she got to have that, but it sounds like it also worked against her because she probably went into this little hoorah huddle thinking I have support. I have people in my corner.

They're on my side. And unbeknownst to her, And that's exactly what bit her in the ass. And she learned real quick, just because you were invited inside the den doesn't mean you were sitting with a bunch of foxes, bitch. And they took that shit and ran with it and sacrificed your ass for a scene. That's exactly what happened.

Ain't got shit else.

It's bad.

And it was so cringe because I do like Whitney.

I think she's fun and bubbly.

Oh, I love her, but that's exactly what happened.

No, no.

But again, we only recap the episode. We're sticking to the episode. And that's why I'm like, like you said, this was indefensible. And it's so bad that I want to read to you what Whitney posted on her thread account.

She said, damn.

It's painful watching me having everyone else's back and not my own. Thinking I'm protecting people, but really, I am just hurting myself. No more of that. She continued, Monica, zero context given. Three-fourths of the story left out.

Keep watching.

Okay, I'll give her that. I'll give her that because I experienced that.

So.

But do you mean she's saying that editing or... It.

Could be both.

Okay.

It could be... I mean, you know more than anyone else that was probably a very long dinner and we see five minutes of it. You know what I mean? So it could have been both. It could have easily been editing, stuff was left out. It could be context. It could be the conversation, whatever. It could be, you know, continued into next week's episode. Keep watching, whatever. We're going to see.

I will say, though, that look between Whitney and Kwai, where they were just staring deadlocked at each other, it was giving to me, it was giving, we agreed we weren't going to fucking talk about this. Like, Ashley's face was like, you promised me we would never get, this was to the grave shit. That's what it was giving. Like, Ashley could not believe, like, You fucking promised me this wasn't coming out, and you're sitting here outing it.

I don't know. Or a storyline, because I actually can see your point in terms of, in Whitney's defense, nothing was happening, and she's like, bitch, I gotta sacrifice you.

For a good season.

I know I look like a terrible friend and in that moment when I said you're so right because Ashley is new you can tell Ashley is looking like is this what the fuck like You mean to tell me nothing is sacred in conversations? You have Heather saying, well, I heard you said that narrative change and that- She said, I heard.

On the streets, bitch, what streets? She heard on Whitney Rose Road and Angie Katanavis Lane, okay? Fucking streets, the streets. Okay, girl, fuck off.

The streets.

Yes, yes.

I'm like, wait, what?

And in that moment, I remember looking at Ashley and you could tell she.

She's not.

And it's funny because I'm also thinking to myself, because I think you and I both said this at the top of our recaps when we first started doing the premiere. Ashley, from our sources, was positioned to be a full-time housewife.

Yeah.

I don't know what happened with that. Yeah.

My point is, and we, again, I don't know the answer, so I am guessing. We'll see more episodes. I would not be surprised if she's like, doing this moment, I'm good. Like, this shit, like, literally nothing is sacred. You have Lisa doing her lip liner the whole time, like, bitch. Look, Lisa's like, I ain't saying nothing because I told you not to trust these bitches.

I told you.

Because even when they said, you spoke about Lisa, Lisa's like, I don't believe it.

You did the best impersonation. I tried to copy. But the fact that Lisa was like.

She was sitting there in real time, like, watching herself seven years ago. Like, yep, that's, yep, this is welcome. Welcome, bitch.

Hey, this is what this is what it's like. And Ashley, you could tell she was like, this cannot be happening. And welcome to Salt Lake City, bitch. Don't spoil your bitch. These bitches will gather you. Bronwyn, Heather and Whitney are team and Angie. You have four of these girls teaming up on you. And Lisa Meredith is like, I don't trust anything that bitch Whitney says.

So whatever. Whatever. I will need to go to therapy the moment I trust her ass.

Yep.

And we will see what happens, but.

I mean, it's exactly... Look, I've been exactly where Ashley is at, and unfortunately, they will sacrifice you in every possible fucking way to make something for themselves so that they keep their job without having to bleed for it. So they'll bleed you dry... and cut your ass up before they ever cut themselves. And they're gonna make a whole season out of it, and that's how they stay fucking employed without having to give a fucking damn thing of their own. That's how SLC rose.

What advice, so my final thing is this, what advice does Monica give Ashley after watching this recent episode?

Girl, you need to hold out for a shakeup. Because the only way that this changes or gets better is a cast shakeup. I'm serious. This cast is like, look, this is no shade to the cast. The alliances are too thick. That's all. That's my opinion. My opinion is the alliances are too thick. You're never going to get in like Heather and Whitney are with each other. You're never going to get in like Meredith and Lisa are with each other. It's not going to happen. You're going to have to ride it out until there's... Carlos, tell me I'm wrong.

You're not wrong. You're not wrong. And I'm going to go even further and say I agree with you. Apparently.

The audience at large on social media agrees with you. And listen, once again, I've always say, take social media with a grain of salt. So I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is people are saying like, I don't know. It needs to be a shakeup. And I know it's early in the season, but I, Carlos King, am exclusively giving Monica Garcia my cast shakeup wishlist. for season eight of Salt Lake City that I would like to see.

And this is not me being biased. I love all the girls.

And if your name is not included, it's not because I don't love you. It's because I just think some people have to maybe be on pause.

Yes.

Okay. Because I am loving this season of New York reboot. It's great.

Now. Okay.

And Atlanta is doing good.

Okay.

This is Carlos King's list.

I love it.

The cash shakeup that should stay.

Okay.

And be added in as housewives. Okay, you ready?

Yes.

Lisa Barlow stays. Yes.

Agreed.

Mary stays.

Obby, yes.

Bronwyn stays.

Woo!

Hear me out.

I'm going to hear you out. I think she should stay.

I do.

Okay.

Bronwyn stays.

Yeah.

Jen Shaw comes back.

I agree.

Monica Garcia comes back.

Oh, Lord.

Promote Ashley Kwan.

Yes, AQ.

Whitney's a friend of.

Okay. I'm writing these down.

And one newbie.

Ooh.

Seven snowflakes total. With one being a newbie, Whitney Rose as a friend.

I like it. I like it. Let me tell you, because don't tell me now, for one second, you wouldn't love to see Jen Shah run in there and eat Angie alive and be like... My man stood beside me through prison, bitch. Yours won't even stand beside you through three years on a reality show. I'm telling you, not Jen Shah and Sharif Shah out here outrunning everybody with some real motherfucking problems. Meanwhile, Michael Jackson in her confessional.

Tee hee.

I'm not doing a joke. Now, I will say this. It's true.

No, you're right, though, because tell me right now, Carlos, when at that dinner table... Heather and Whitney, they had a fucking plan. They always fucking everybody. I'm telling you, they went into there. They had each other's backs. I can hear the conversation. Okay, we're going to have it. This is what we're going to do. Okay, we're going to have. Okay.

Okay.

I got you. I got you. I got you too. Okay, let's do it. And then they go in there and they're backing each other. You don't remember. You didn't tell Whitney. You didn't say this. You were that, that, that, that, that, that, like they were just, I mean, that was orchestrated to a T a hundred percent. And I hate it. I hate it. I want Whitney to crawl away from fucking Heather, man.

Break the barbed wire fence that she's got around you. And I mean, she would be incredible without that dragging her down.

You got to break it up. You got to break it up. You got to break it up. She would be much stronger without Heather. And I will say this. I will say this. I made an error.

I don't.

Because you made a good point with Jen and Angie. I forgot to mention Angie.

Oh, I forgot about her too.

You know what? Ain't that fucked up?

I forgot about her.

I forgot.

Okay.

Do we think she should be main cast or friend with Whitney?

I think she should be a friend of and save her marriage.

If it means saving her marriage, be a friend.

Yes. That way she can have the both worlds. Maybe you can find a compromise with Sean. You guys have been together for so long. You guys are incredible parents to Electra. I want to see I'm done with this shit. People think in the grass is greener. Everything else is better. No, you guys have, you guys have built businesses together. You guys have a child.

Come on.

So take the demotion, have a compromise with Sean. See if that helps the marriage. And just be a friend of for a minute and just see. Maybe that'll help them.

What is so interesting to me is, not to pat myself on the back or anything, Monica, my wish list, I know for a fact, I will go on record saying the ratings will skyrocket.

Bitch.

Do you know how something can be so obvious?

But you got to have Heather Gay there then.

You're right.

You gotta have a look. Look, look, I can sit here and hate everybody, bitch, but I know what makes a good show. You've got to have Heather Gay. You've got to have... You have to.

I removed Ashley from the housewife, and I gave it back to Heather.

Okay.

If you're going to bring back Jen Shaw, yes.

And you did Heather.

Yeah, 100%.

So my revised list, final main cast, Lisa Barlow, Mary Cosby, Bronwyn Newport, Jen Shaw, Monica Garcia, Heather Gay. That's six snowflakes with Whitney and Angie being friends of, and I don't mind a new woman coming along. Yep.

That's something like a refresh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree.

Heather.

Bitch.

Jen, Monica alone. Lisa in that motherfucker.

You got me always just being like, hold on, bitch, what's going on?

In her rainbow shoes, bitch. Her 10-inch rainbow boots looking like a lucky charm. We need Bronwyn in there and her little quirkiness. I'm telling you, it'll never happen, but it would be insane. It would be insane. We can dream. As viewers, we can dream.

I want this dream to come true.

Could you fucking imagine? I honestly... Carlos, I would be like, my deal breaker is Carlos has to be here because I would need you to witness the first time all of us walk in the same fucking room. Like, you just have... You know, as a producer... Bitch, the BTS is better than the fucking show.

It's better. I'm telling you.

It's all of that.

Yeah.

At the end of the day, Jen paid her dues. She paid her dues. Like, I'm not going to talk about what she did. She paid her dues. Full stop. Even if, even if, even if, even if, even if, even if you want to make her a friend of for.

What happened, fine.

Bring the bitch back because I do feel like this, even as a friend of Jen Shaw's giving you main character energy anyway. So bitch, if you don't- She'll be a friend of.

But she'll be a housewife.

Yes, exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah.

If you don't.

Want that because of whatever reason, fine. Bring her back in some capacity.

And we're not saying that that doesn't exist. We acknowledge it. But we're talking about ratings. Ratings in a dream cast, that would be fucking insane. You would have to film 24-7. It would be old school reality TV. You would have to. You....

Bitch. It's so interesting because on other shows, I think besides Atlanta, because Atlanta's another show we kind of have a good idea of like the dream cast that will never... I'm not going to say that we know will make it good, but whatever. This one makes the most sense because Beverly Hills... We'll see what happens with the addition of Leah Remini and Tracy Tudor from Million Dollar Listing.

I'm excited.

I'm not going to lie.

Oh, no, bitch. I'm so thrilled.

I have not watched it in so long, and I'm fucking tuning in for Leah, bitch.

Yes, because of their star power.

The theme with Salt Lake City is there isn't this big-name celebrity you could throw in and be like, ooh. So we have women that are amazing activators that are just waiting to be like, tap me back in, coach.

Let's go. Let's do this.

And I just think now with a new clean slate, I think people can come.

In and be told work. And they're like, all right. Because now it's a psychology of they let these bitches go. Okay, let's go.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Yep.

Let's rock and motherfucking roll, bitch.

I mean, I could not imagine. You would have to, you know, before you start filming, you have like a meeting with everybody, right? Production, crew, cast, bitch. You're going to have to do that on Zoom. You cannot have the first. Me on zoom over here over there you cannot have the first time you're together not filmed you can't it's just.

It's obviously obvious i'm just saying so All right, so Raindrops, let Monica and I know your thoughts on this all-star dream cast of mine. Give us your thoughts, your takes. Do you want to add, remove? Let us know in the comments. Yes.

We love you guys. Monica, I love you, baby girl.

I love you.

Have a good weekend, babe.

I'll see you next week.

Okay, bye.

Bye, babe.

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