NICK CANNON'S 12 KIDS, TODD’S DRAMA & MORE! | Reality News with Claudia, Dustin and Blue

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. We got to get to Nick Cannon.

Oh, man.

That was fun.

That was a good segue.

A good segue.

God wrote that joke. His last name is Cannon.

Yes.

You know what I'm saying? Yes.

No, I've heard the stories. No, I've heard he's blessed.

I heard he's, I mean, listen, 12 kids later, 10 baby mamas, you know, I definitely think he is.

I told him the pull-out game is trash. His pull-out game has to be trash.

He's not pulling out.

I don't think he wants to pull out.

Yeah, but like all of a sudden, he went all those years without it, and then he just, he laying it down.

Well, I believe he said, and you tell me if I got this wrong, Blue.

The reason why he has so many kids now, he does have lupus.

He does.

And he felt that life was too short, so he wanted to spread his seed in order to.

Leave a legacy.

He's a whole tap.

He definitely did just that.

Yeah.

There was some seed spreading going on.

Okay.

My thing is just like, can you imagine making that much oatmeal? You know what I'm saying? How many damn eggs you got?

Oh, I thought you meant something else when you said oatmeal. I am so sorry.

I went to another place.

But that's like all the different houses, so it's not all on his roof.

Yeah.

But them two Saturdays a month. You know what I'm saying? That much toast. You know what I'm saying?

How about Christmas, Dustin? Spoons.

You know what I mean? He goes to everybody's house. Yeah.

Yep.

By the way, he doesn't have 10 baby mamas. He has nine baby's mothers.

Okay.

And a Mariah Carey, an ex-wife.

Okay, my bad.

Yes, because, listen, the woman who celebrates anniversaries and not birthdays, she is nobody's baby mama. The Aries of all Aries.

Yes.

Put some respect on Mariah's name.

So, no, we definitely have to.

So, listen, Nick Cannon is in the news because his baby mama and star of Selling Sunset, Brie, okay, She recently did an interview where she said that it's not her job to keep the 12 kids connected, that Nick has to step up. Listen, I'm a product of having nine siblings. It's 10 of us total.

Same house? Same house, same parents.

There's only.

We got the same parents, right? Married for 50 plus years. It's a whole thing. So I don't know this idea about... putting the blame just on one person. But Dustin, starting with you, does Brie have a point or is she batshit crazy to believe that you have a child that has 11 siblings? And is it also her job as this boy's mother to make sure that he has a connection with his siblings too?

Yes, it's quite literally her job. What's the alternative? Right?

Well, just willfully be estranged from your siblings because that ain't my job.

Let's see how that goes once he gets old enough to reason. You know what I'm saying? That's very immature.

It sounds like it's coming from a place of, like, it's an emotional reaction, and that's not the route.

Look, wrong road.

Wrong road as a parent.

You know what I'm saying?

You have to get your emotions out of that and make sound decisions, and that sounds stupid.

So, no. Claudia.

Claudia.

I kind of disagree a little bit. I do feel like it's a, I think it's his responsibility, but a courtesy for her. Because he's the one that decided to have 12 kids. And so I feel like it's more on him. Like, I'd be like, okay, I'll do my best.

I'm not going to push against it.

But that was his legacy that he wanted to do and make all these kids. And I feel like, you know, she should go along with it because he probably takes care of them really well. But that was what he wanted. He wanted 12 kids in all these different homes. Your parents had it all in one home. Well, your parents had them all under one roof.

Yeah, mine too.

It's a lot different. Oh, yours are too, right?

They're both from the Michigan area. You know how they are, wholesome.

My father had my brother and I, and then I found out that I wasn't the oldest later on.

And my mom was still solid. She went out and sought one of my siblings in Italy and found him for us.

And my father never did. And I always thought that should have been his job to do that because he was the one planting seeds all over the place. But my mom, because she's such a, she's a good woman. So she was like, you should know.

Who your brother is.

But I don't think it's her, she had to do that. I think my father had to do that.

Yeah. Yeah. Blue?

My daddy was a hoe. And because of that, I know what it's like when Papa was a Rolling Stone. I told you, I recently found out about a sibling like six to eight months ago at my big age. And unlike Nick Cannon, my father was discreet. I think I believe that Claudia and Dustin.

Are both right.

On one hand, if you are the one who's out here running these streets, you have to make sure everybody knows each other. But on the other hand, I watched the show. I've seen Brie. She's a very prideful, smug girl. And I think the fact that she's sharing space with so many fellow baddies and Mariah Carey, I think she doesn't want to feel like she has to ask for their approval. And so there's some pridefulness in there very specifically with her. So I agree with Claudia in general, but with her, she a little stank.

She's a little stank. I watched Selling Sunset, and although I enjoy her as a character, I think she's a bad bitch. And listen, this makeover she has, And I'm only saying that because she's admitted to it.

New face. She has a new face who this. Yeah.

Okay?

She has a whole new nose, teeth, lip, face, hair, I mean, body.

A remodel.

She has a remodel, you know?

A fixer-upper, if you will.

A reboot.

Yes, no.

Brie is the human form of HGTV.

Okay.

Okay? It's definitely a remodel. Is there a button for that, Carlos?

Do we have something? I mean, you know.

I mean, outside of Mariah, I mean, when he started, you know, when your baby mama, number six, seven, eight, nine, there is a little bit of accountability you're going to have to have because you know what you're walking into.

You opted in. Well, and I think that's the reason why I agree with all of you guys because like Blue said, there's space and room for that in a general form.

I think when it comes to Brie particularly, she.

Does have this sort of smugness about her.

It's nasty.

I will go on record forever saying I am team Chelsea Laskani.

Same.

The only black girl on Selling Sunset. And the way Brie, in my opinion, Brie is somebody... who wants the rhythm and not the blues. And I think because Brie dyed her hair dark, went to the Kim Kardashian University of, you know, trying to, like, become her.

Ethnicity?

Yes, I think... Listen, I think.

She's a blackfisher, Claudia. She wants to be biracial.

She wants to be.

Yeah, so... Oh, no. I.

I literally wish, and Jamie, see if you can find this so we can give it to Chris to put it up.

Get the before and after of Brie. It's jarring.

Yeah.

Hillary Duff to Claudia Jordan. It's a huge jump.

So what did they name their baby? Finally?

Legendary Love.

She had a black baby. Finally. This is finally canon.

She's one of those white girls who wants to be biracial but thinks she's better than black girls. The whole thing is confusion.

Got it.

And you're up against Mariah Carey.

Sit down.

That's irritating.

Yeah, you're up against Mariah Carey.

I've never seen the show.

Once you have it, Chris, show it to the audience.

And again, I think this. Um, this is no shade to her because I watch the show.

No, Carlos.

We can't get that off the person, Carlos.

We can see you.

Oh, after we done writing it down.

No shade, no teeth.

She sucks at life.

Everything she does is trash.

Oh, I know you fucking love her. No shade. Oh, wow.

I know.

Come on.

I'm saying it's Hilary Duff to a biracial girl. She wants to be mixy.

Yeah, they be thinking they mix.

And doesn't she look doofy in the first one?

Like, come on.

She does.

She looks like she snorts and she laughs.

Yeah.

I thought you.

Wow, wow. Yeah, she looks completely different.

But the second version of her does not like black women. She's very... She has this whole, like, she's going to call you girl. Like, hey, girl, you need to... Like, neck swiveling. Every stereotype you think a black woman is. And her adversary was a very, you know, lovely, contained black woman.

I've seen her. The Chelsea girl from Silly. I don't watch that show, but I've seen her.

Yes. She's stunning.

Didn't you interview her?

I interviewed her.

You did? Yeah.

And she... She.

Is from Nigeria.

I mean, I'm sorry. She's Nigerian. Lived in London. Very British.

Survived an abusive relationship. Her husband that she brought on the show cheated on her. She was the only black cast member on the show. She got removed from the show and Brie got to stay. And I think when it comes to Brie, Brie just reminds me of those white girls who... who dip in black spaces. And again, she wants the rhythm but not the blues. And that's why I understand that when it comes to her, and I didn't clock her. You probably did instantly. I didn't clock her until she started to challenge Chelsea in a way that I felt like.

You want to be Chelsea. Yeah.

You know where that comes from? I think in my experience in Rhode Island, we have a lot of girls like that.

And also I saw that a lot in California because once they started wanting black dick, They started to adjust a little bit and simulate and try to take on the characteristics and some of the looks of black women, right? Or biracial women, right? And they're laying up with weak-ass men a lot of times.

Not saying naked. but some of the black.

Men are allowing them to be disrespectful to black women and also telling them they're better than.

That's the part.

You don't give me as much trouble as them. and that's why they get this arrogance about them.

I blame the men.

Thank you for saying that because I have a white guy that I know and he said that black men are constantly giving him permission to disrespect black women and it makes him uncomfortable. There's a lot of black men in this world. Let's be honest. Heteronormative straight black men, the higher they get on the food chain financially, they think, oh, I'm white adjacent. So if I'm talking to a white woman or any other man, I'm going to almost cannibalize black women and say, see, here's an offering about how much I don't.

Care about niggas because I'm one of y'all.

And so those girls, like Brie, to your point, they think they're better than actual black women while trying to make other black women with them. What happens if you are Danny Lay and you're talking shit about black girls and then you end up birthing one? Who looks like the lady you're talking about? That's the thing that's awkward. Luckily, she has one of them J-Lens, so she's going to have an asymmetrical bob and he can play football and do the whole NFL thing. But the world has enough white women who are presenting biracial who love black men but hate the black women who birth them. And she makes me sick. And I do think that feeds a little bit. Because one thing I will say about Nick, I see him a lot when I'm in Jason Lee

spaces because his sister is a casting director, I think, for Wilding Out. And she's always at the Hollywood Walk Awards. You've probably seen her there. She's very lovely. And his baby mamas are all very low-key and chill. Brie is a hood rat outlier. She is not like the rest of them. And so because she's a bit of a white hood rat, we used to call them wiggers back in the 90s and early 2000s. As a female wigger who was at the bottom of the food chain and has an actual biracial woman at the top of the food chain. Shout out to Mariah once again.

And Aries.

I can see why you salty and don't want to take the kids out to play. So to me, it's bigger than it's not my responsibility. She's mashed at the bottom of the totem pole. She's not even the cutest one. Even with the new face, she's not the cutest one. She's somewhere in the lower middle tier.

The most beautiful one to me is my girl, Lanisha Cole. The chocolate girl.

Oh, she's gorgeous.

She was a Price is Right model and also Deal and O'Deal. And she was in that Pharrell video with Mimi.

Oh, her? Yeah, she's gorgeous. That's when the baby mama is?

Yes. The baby's name is Ani.

Brie is low on the roster, baby.

But she's not hanging.

Around to be with Nick. She has a guy that helps her take care of the baby. She's, when I say, one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life.

An actual black woman.

Chocolate, beautiful.

Her features, just her aura, how she carries herself.

She's a great photographer.

She's dope. I'll take that, Brie.

Well, all right.

Get her again.

Okay.

Take that to the black team. Okay. So next we're going to get into Dean's.

Is my mic as low?

Claudia's mic is low again.

My voice is low.

I had the, yeah, my voice is very raspy.

That's okay.

We're going to pull it up.

Doing a lot this week.

Claudia had a busy weekend. She was in D.C. at the Black Caucus.

Yeah.

Caucus.

CBC. That's right.

Isn't that a freak nick for smart people?

Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

I was like, why are we not saying the elephant in the room?

It's very classy, though.

Classy freak nick.

Wait, I don't even know.

That's what I thought.

I lived in D.C.

For 12 years. I thought it was classy freakness. My sister lives in D.C.

Too.

He's very respectful, very honorable.

Was Mr. Luke there?

Sorry. It was amazing.

I had a great time.

Good, Claudia.

I had a great time there.

Come on, baby.

Sorry.

Not Luke Campbell, honey. Yes, we can see your comments. Yes, we can see your comments.

Okay, so the next story we have, because I want to read this, is Dee Smith. So Dee Smith is a former love and hip-hop Atlanta reality star who announced recently that he's living as a man again after 12 years as a transgendered woman.

I want to make sure to.

Read exactly what... He, because I want to make sure I respect the pronouns. He's going by he right now. I'll read some of it. He's pretty much saying that for most of his life... He's followed his heart, but over the past several months, he's begun a new chapter in his life. He'll be living and presenting as a man and using the he, him pronouns. This is not about erasing my past. Living my life as a woman for 12 years showed me the man.

That I wanted to become. Dustin, what are your thoughts on that?

Listen, man. First of all, shout out to D. Smith for living in his truth, right?

Just as I respect somebody's transition, I'm going to definitely respect somebody's detransition. And listen, Donald Trump got prices so high, makeup has skyrocketed.

Oh, my God.

Wait.

You know what I'm saying?

This is not where.

I thought this was going.

Hair products have gone through the roof. You have a point. So, look.

You know what I'm saying?

Right. No, but much respect to D. Smith. Do your thing. Live in your truth.

And it was very easy to say she when she was presenting as a male, as a woman. Now that he's presenting as a man, you just call him he.

It's simple. Okay.

One of the things that people are saying, and I'll go next to you, Claudia, there are people who are saying that, well, Dustin said, okay, if that's what you want to do, fine. However, they feel that what Dee Smith is doing is causing some of the right-wingers who believe that being gay is a choice. Yep. And that by you choosing to now detransition, although that's your right, your choice, your body, you being a public figure, they do feel like you're now going to sort of take the movement backwards and cause the right winger to say, see, I told you so.

That's the first thing that came to my mind. I felt like this will be great fodder for the right to use, especially in an election year with the midterms coming up. They already tried to put that entire movement on the Democratic Party and use it in a negative way and really blow up the spot and really exaggerate greatly about kids are just going to school and transitioning and getting picked up from school and they're a different sex now.

That's what they've been doing, right?

They've been just really putting 10 on 20, 20 on 10, whatever the goddamn phrase is. And I feel like, I almost wish he would have, I hate to tell someone to keep it on the low for just a little bit, because I feel like they will make him be the face of, well, see, like you said, it's a choice, A, and bringing it back to the forefront in a negative way.

You know what I mean? Because they will make an example out of someone and say, yeah.

You can just go back and forth, and this is a voluntary thing, as opposed to, I mean, I first was introduced to my trans friend in 1990. And we had really long conversations about how she felt like she was born in the wrong body and would cry to me about it, saying, I really feel like my spirit and my soul is woman. And so from 1990, that was really unheard of.

It was very rare, you know?

And so I just don't want them to hijack this moment and make it a, you know, put that on the whole community.

And Blue, when he said, look, I lived my life 12 years as a woman, and it made me understand what life is like living as a man. What were your thoughts on that particular story?

12 years as a slave child. Well, my first reaction, I'm so sorry.

I tried, okay? These spanks hurt.

My first thought was what Claudia said, and I had a quick moment of panic, right?

I lived in D.C.

For 12 years. And when you work in politics, you know exactly what those dog whistles are. What calmed me down, funny enough, is a quote that Bill Clinton said to Oprah years ago. He said, when it comes to politics, the pendulum always swings far left, then it swings far right, and then it finds the middle, and then it starts swinging again. So which means that we had the Obama years, and it swung far to the progressive. It was inevitable we were going to be in whatever the fuck this is, right?

The pendulum always does that politically. And I realized this is no different than when Jackie Perry and them all decided they didn't want to eat cooch no more. This is nothing different than the former gay movement. You know what I mean? And when I remember that, it made me calm down because I was like, if we were really going to use one person to represent a whole...

That means all white men are school shooters. It means all Republicans are gay because every time they come into town, Grindr shuts down. Did y'all see that story? How they came to town, had a little convention, Grindr couldn't keep up with all the dick pics.

Sorry, the dick pics. It actually happened for real.

It's very true. Every city.

Every city, Republicans have conventions, Grindr has to shut down because they don't have enough streams for the stream.

Yeah.

So if we really want to be talking, let's talk. You're talking about one body from ATL somewhere. Let's talk about all of y'all in the log cabins.

Yeah.

Stooping each other. We can do this all day.

And my thing is they're going to say whatever they're going to say anyway.

Exactly, because they're dumb.

People who have those residual feelings of life.

You probably can now.

People who are transphobic and shit. You know what I'm saying? They're already transphobic.

Exactly.

They're going to say that shit anyway.

That's true.

It's also not fair to pin the whole entire responsibility of representation on one person in any marginalized group.

True. So, like, again, I really.

It's tricky, though, because to your point, you know when you start making money, so now you have to lie to your broke friends because you don't want them to ask you for money?

No.

Carlos, I'm looking right at you.

I'm looking right at you, Carlos, right?

In the same way, it's kind of like that same personal discernment, right? If you're someone who's detransitioning in a time like this, you have to decide, even though it's my personal truth, how much do I want to share because of the climate? And so it's like, you don't owe us this and you got a little bit of discernment. Like, so I understand like, it's not wrong that he's doing it I also wonder about the need to make a public statement because I don't know who you are it's.

A statement I've never heard of you it's a statement right now yeah just handle your business do what makes you feel good but just be mindful of of the climate that we're in.

There's certain jokes you can't make and there's certain things you can't say during a certain time.

And yes, the pendulum, I always say that it swings both ways and it goes hard right and it goes hard left.

Carlos, calm down. Carlos, are you ready?

I'm mature.

I'm being mature right now.

Carlos is like having flashbacks.

And it is not his fault.

It's not his responsibility to be, you know, the forefront of this. But I'm just saying what the right will attach themselves to and what they will jump on. They will see this as And never in history have we been at this point where they are turning whites back.

Exactly.

That's a little bit different. Like, they are.

Looking for any excuse to demonize marginalized communities already. I mean, they've shown successfully that they can take away women's rights, including white women, so you don't think they'll do it to us.

To black trans folks?

Mm-hmm.

Could it be a cop chase, though? A part of me is wondering, if you're a Z-list... Oh, sorry. If you are someone who is known only in certain silos and it's not necessary to make an Obama-like statement, is there some.

No, everyone has a brand and everyone's... Yeah, is there.

Some sort of ploy for relevance here? That's what makes me nervous is the ploy for relevance.

I will say this. So, listen, I... I watched the season that Dee Smith was on.

I'm happy for that.

Okay.

Somebody did in the room.

No, no, no.

I'm only going to say Tama Rivera. You know the scene I'm talking about, Dustin?

Yeah, where she did the gesture.

Yeah, she did the gesture, pretty much inferring that, you know, these are my... I'm going to speak for Tami, but Tami did a moment where she kind of like motioned to her titties.

You know, okay.

I don't know. Finish the sentence.

That's the sentence.

That's what happened.

Well, that's what she did, but it was left for interpretation. D.

Smith and Tammy were arguing as Tammy was exiting the argument. They were insulting each other. And Tammy did like this.

So if, oh, mine are real.

Whatever. We don't know. She didn't say anything.

She just made that joke. She made that movement. But she did leave a comment. I believe if I don't got this wrong. And Tammy, I love you if I got this wrong.

I know what it said.

It was something about.

I know you fucking lying. Thank you.

I was just about to say that. I know you fucking lying. I will say this. I agree with all of you guys in terms of, again, D Smith, his body, his choice.

Yeah.

As a gay person, I was, I'll speak for me.

I'm not going to speak for the community. I'll speak for myself as an individual. I was born gay. I knew at five. My daddy said four.

I said, well, you should tell me something.

Hey, so you can get back to moving back. I knew you was four. I said, well, nigga, you should have.

Right.

Girls came on like, wham.

Well, damn.

Okay. I love it.

No, my mom, rest in heaven. I would read bridal magazines. Oh, damn, Carlos. Okay, you know what? Wow.

I wasn't even doing that shit.

You were gay in the Lutheran parties.

Oh, my God, that's gay.

I was playing, I was in the woods playing, building forts, reading bridal magazines.

I was reading books. I had two moments. I'm a stereotype in some instances.

Okay. No. Shut up.

You don't say.

Shut up.

It's a high-pitched voice. This guy was dating once. He said, you know, you mind me up? I said, Marlon Wayans. He said, no, Gilbert Gottfried. Damn.

If Gilbert Gottfried put his hand up, Marlon Wayans is like a puppet.

Check, please. I hope you said check, please.

No, I literally said, you're not attractive to me anymore. I was like, I know who this is.

It's the iconic boy.

You should be like Beast. But no, so I, as a kid, I would do this.

Hey, mom.

So like, I'm thinking, and she would do this. She said, do this before your father gets home. And I would read right on magazine. She would say, put that away before your father gets home. I said, what about the tabloid? She said, read that. And look, a whole career. Look at that. And I would, I maybe was seven or, no, I was 10 when I tried on my mother's heels.

I was waiting for that, like a bingo card of gay stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Bingo.

Because, you know, but my point is from my experience as a boy, boy, as a person born male, I know that I'm different. I'm trying to figure things out.

I never thought, this is me though, that's why I'm not saying this is for everybody.

Right, right.

I didn't feel like I was in the wrong body, but I felt like I'm different. I'm not like my brothers.

And then although I did all those things, I never wanted to be a woman.

And that's why when it comes to the trans movement that I love so much, I appreciate De Smith's honesty. But I do agree in a sense that I wonder if, okay, did it have to be a public declaration only because... No disrespect to Dee Smith, and I would love to talk to him. It's not like T.S.

Madison, Dominique Morgan.

Exactly.

You know, like these extremely famous, popular trans activists who have notoriety. He was a cliffhanger, Carlos.

You know.

He put a cliffhanger after two pages. You could have just got to the point. That made me feel a little clout-chasey, like a teaser. He was like, hey, I did it because I had to do it because I did it.

Because I did it.

I had to do it.

By the way, come back later for the reason why. By the end, it felt like a commercial.

I read the whole thing.

Two pages of WordTube, and then at the end you say, come back to figure out why I did it. That feels like a rollout.

This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

I really liked life a lot better, and I'm the oldest one here. I liked life a lot better before social media.

I loved it.

The 1900s, I miss them as well.

I have a 50-50 love.

I wouldn't be as rich without social media. Can we all just say that?

I like money.

So let's be careful.

I mean, interpersonal relationships.

I know what you're saying. Career-wise.

Relationships. And, like, I get sick of people.

Everyone's a goddamn model and a rapper and has a brand.

And a brand, yeah.

And all that.

I'm like, you don't. You're not.

Knock it off.

But filtered social media and attention makes you feel like you are.

A teaser.

And I remember back in the day when models had to, like, look like something when they showed up to the go-sees.

And they had to show their real face.

You know, if anybody deserves to be put in front of the firing squad, it's whoever invented the comment section.

That mother... Yeah. How can we talk? You can... Go ahead. Well, that person. Whoever that was.

Whoever the miscreant is that invented the comment section.

Isn't that Mark Zuckerberg?

If it is, then much like the sound of the letters in the middle of your name, Zuck, you.

Well.

Okay.

Because you have ruined it for all of us, man.

It's the fucking comment section that makes people feel like what they have to say matters.

And it might some places, but not over here.

It carries too much weight now.

People in the.

Comments trying to out-common each other. Like they're having a separate show there.

Oh, they are.

But that's why I will always admit my fault in it. I will always admit that I will see a post, have intrusive thoughts, and go straight to the comments.

And see them.

To see if they're saying what I'm thinking. Oh, wow. Which is not, listen, as somebody who gets dragged on a regular basis. So how do you feel, friend?

Well, that's why I can't, I'll say this. I no longer have the disdain for comments that I do anymore. Dustin Ross actually changed my mind when it came to comments. I will never forget when he said this to me two years ago. He said the comments section is for them. It's for them to have conversations about the art that you put out. It is not your job to see what people are saying about your art.

I live by that.

He said that's for them to tussle, get into it, drag each other. He said, it is not your job as the creator of art to see what they're saying. And it changed my life. Like it really did. So my point is, I know that I have this life because of social media and this privilege because of comments. It's quite nice. But I also know that I can't be a prisoner to.

It can be a slave to the comments yeah a slave to the comments.

That's even better well I haven't reached that level of enlightenment yet.

It's coming Claudia as you were talking I can feel her booty she's crunching you know.

I used to work with Jamie Foxx and them on the radio like we would be firing back all the time and that was what helped me actually on Housewives and all the other shows like my quick comebacking it's a great muscle you have like it's kind of a thing that I just it's part of my personality like I it's hard for me to just.

Be like can you find someone else can you like go to the debate club or something No.

She's here. I'm here.

That's true. This is the debate club. Well, speaking of debate, our next topic, listen.

Nice segue.

We did talk about this last.

Night, but I know that Monday Night Live audience, you know, we have thousands of people tune in.

Thank you to the people who showed up last night.

But I know that you guys have been asking since last week because Claudia and Blue were.

Off last night.

Week and the comment section... Sorry, Dustin, I read something bad. Oh, so you did read it.

Dustin changed my life. But last week, though, y'all had me fucked up.

Hear me out.

My YouTube strategist said I have to comment within the first... like hour.

Okay, for the algorithm.

About 30 minutes, yeah.

Let's say 30 minutes. I see you in there sometimes.

Hey, girl.

Love you.

Thanks.

He puts a lot of hearts and smiles. I see that.

Can you see it?

Okay. So a lot of people said, we cannot wait to hear Claudia and Blue's commentary on Todd and Candy. So obviously, Dustin, we're going to chime in too, but Claudia and Blue.

So as you all know, Todd....

Todd Tucker has a divorce movie series. What's a movie? What's a series?

What do these words actually mean?

Look at Kandi's face. She's like, no.

That's my face.

Me and Kandi look kindred right now. What do we call.

So everything's a movie now. Well, out of his.

You get a movie.

It's a series.

So he's Todd partnered with. I guess he going to cut this too and put this in his next commercial, huh?

He is. I don't even want to fucking.

Say it, Todd.

Anyway, Todd partnered with- Hi, Todd. Hey, Todd.

Hi, Candy.

Hello, Candy. Hi, Don Juan.

Hi, Candy. Don Juan, my boy.

Anyway, so Todd partnered with AMC to do a screening of his film, Don't Bring Your Man to Atlanta.

A one-time show?

No, it's like 10 different cities. In the Tin City tour, right?

A tour? So we're using words loose today.

In the Tin City tour.

Nothing means anything.

He is also screening an episode of his new series. It's a docu-series, right, Carlos?

Yes, sir.

It's a docu-series called Till Divorce Do Us Part. And that is what everybody is getting that clip from where he was talking about the personal matters.

What's the movie called?

Don't Bring Your Man to Atlanta.

Oh, the one when Shamia had her legs out?

No, I think that was the past.

No, no, no.

I saw the video. It's like Cinemax.

It has since been deleted.

With Bolo and his face in her.

I saw it. Yes, Shamia unfollowed Todd. Todd, welcome to the unfollow club.

Aw. No, if I was Shamia, I would have unfollowed Todd too.

I wish everybody not talking about Shamia. I just wish that the audience would grow up because Shamia's acting.

Yes.

She's acting.

What the fuck?

But have you seen the clip?

Y'all act like She is cheating on her husband. She's fucked. She's acting.

Dustin, I understand.

I understand. But when Bolo.

I'm sorry.

But you know when Bolo has your.

Nears to your ears.

Yeah.

And, you know, maybe it's flesh panties, but it looks like he's giving back shots.

It should.

And also, Bolo has some.

It's supposed to be a sex scene for him.

But it felt like sex because it's Bolo.

It should.

It's a horse penis. You can't tuck that so far.

I do not like how she was demonized and vilified for playing a role in it being good acting.

Thank you.

It was great acting, yeah.

Listen, ask someone.

Who's done sex scenes in movies and all of that. There's all kinds of tricks. It's so not a sexy environment when you're doing it.

It's really not.

There's more people in the scene that are in this room right now. You have, like, there's all kind of privacy guards. You rehearse.

An intimacy coordinator.

Yes, there's an intimacy coordinator.

Does Todd have all that? I don't know, but there's.

Someone usually there that you can talk to about it, right? And it's just like, I just feel like because of what happened, like, the villainization of Shamia this season, anything she.

Does, it's like, oh, she's this, she's that.

Oh, look at her.

Look at her cheating. She's an actress.

And I would be damned if I'm in a... Just because I'm in a relationship, I can't take certain roles because... You guys are going to really be dumb enough to think that I'm cheating on my husband. I'm on set with 20,000 people.

You shot a kid in a Tubi movie.

I shot several.

Damn, Dustin.

You feel me?

No, here's the thing.

I shot kids.

I don't fuck people in movies.

I cheated on my husband in the kitchen with a handyman. Watch The Handyman on Amazon and Tubi.

Please watch it.

Please watch that, girl.

The issue isn't her, though. It's Todd.

I actually believe she means an actress. I don't think Todd knows how to spell intimacy coordinator.

What?

My issue is not Shamia and her acting. I think Todd had her ass out with Bolo saying, and action.

But so what, though? I don't think it's the intimacy.

Not so what, regarding her. I'm just saying, like, what is the... I just don't understand what everybody is.

We don't trust Todd.

The answer is we don't trust Todd.

Now, the thing is that.

It's a movie.

Movie.

So how is Shamia, like, what happened... How was she wronged?

She was not wrong. I'm saying it's Todd.

How did he wrong her? That's what I'm saying.

I'm going to tell you because Shamia.

He cut the clip now.

He does have a choice of cutting the clip.

He did her dirty.

It's Todd. It's not Shamia.

It's Todd.

Of course, as a producer, you would do that if you want people... We're all talking about this movie that we would not have probably seen.

But he cannibalized her after what she'd been through.

Of course.

I actually feel bad for Shamia.

I agree with that.

He threw her under the bus.

I agree with that.

Todd threw Shamia under the bus.

Let me tell you what Shamia did. She did text Todd and told him to take it down.

Oh, yeah.

Her text to him was, first.

Why would you add the Real Housewives of Atlanta clip to it?

That part.

After that, she told him to take the post down.

Oh, he tied it to the shit on the show.

He played the clip first. And she unfollowed him to my team.

Yes.

Did Todd take the pose down?

Oh, no, I checked myself. You can ask me. He took it down.

He took it down.

I want to send it to my friends.

So Todd did take it down.

And then Todd did apologize to Shamia. It was nasty work on Todd's behalf.

On the radio.

If I was in a relationship where I was like, you know, all this drama is already happening. People are questioning my marriage. And then I happen to do a movie probably six months prior or however many months prior. And then that's the clip you chose to use?

Yeah. During this week of hell that I'm going through?

Exactly.

I get why you're doing it because you want attention.

But as my friend, I would hope you'd have a little bit more care. Because I don't think she did anything wrong. I do think the choice of that, again, for me, it's always timing.

It's Todd.

Todd is the problem, as usual. As a producer, listen, Todd's job is to get the most reaction out of the audience.

And it worked.

I disagree with him for adding the Housewives of Atlanta clip. You could never do that to Claudia. I could never see you doing that to Claudia.

No, no, no.

I would never.

Exactly.

As a producer. No, no, no.

She and I, she knows that.

Todd was 1,000% wrong for adding the housewife's clip.

Right?

Wrong.

That's why it's inflammatory. It sensationalized the moment. And I think it should be his defense. Like Claudia is saying, look, this woman has been dragged through the mud, the coals, this entire season. So to know that they are filming season 18, a lot of things that are going to happen this season is residue from last season. And from the mental space she's in filming, and you know that she's filming a reality show, that's the last thing she wants to deal with. So listen, Todd, I respect the trailer that I want to talk about with Apollo, Peter, and stuff. But in all fairness, adding the Housewives of Atlanta clip was not finishing me up.

Too much. Now, help me understand. What was going on that week? with Shamia, why was this a tough time for her?

Well, no, no.

I think what Claudia was saying, a tough time because she's back filming the show. It was the week she started filming.

It was the week she started.

It was the week she started filming.

And look, as a former producer of Atlanta Housewives, that first week, the ladies are nervous because they're sort of like, Who's going to come at me? And I just think you don't. And let's be clear. These, I know how this game works and so do you. These girls are going to watch that clip and use it against her as they're filming.

And she just came off the reunion, which wasn't that long ago, where there was allegations that she cheated on her husband.

And you saw the clip. And if you're not selling the list, we watch these shows, right? But there's a lot of people that don't.

I'm happy you get in there.

I'm not crazy. And then you see this.

And if you're just like a casual watcher of these shows and you see Shamia's legs up in a clip, Oh yeah, no, I saw her cheating. Not everybody is thoroughly watching these shows and really paying attention. And it's just, it's piling on when she's already kind of like got the weight of the Real Housewives world on her.

Back, I think. Yeah.

I just want to say one last thing back to the original point. The man who would do that might have your coochie out on set. I still think that I question Todd's discernment. I question how safe, because here's the thing, not to name drop. But many moons ago, Lena Waithe wanted me to be an intimacy coordinator for her team. As someone who almost went into.

I think she's so beautiful, by the way.

She's very swaggy.

Shout out to Lena. Is she your type?

I'm not doing that right now. Oh, my bad.

Hold up, we talking about... Blue.

We talking about Dustin's dick. We talking about Carlton's titties.

We talking about my weekend in DC. The black hawk kiss. Yes, the black hawk kiss. Freak Nick, conservative Freak Nick. We can talk about... You and Lena. Oh, no.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

I went to the African American Film Critics Association. And Lena Waithe was there. And she follows me on Instagram. But I got a chance to meet her.

What are you flicking? Because Barbara Brocker kills being honored. And you know, that's Lena's mentor. Long story short. Ty Young, you ain't got nothing on Lena Waithe, baby.

I agree.

Lena Waithe, I was like.

Lena can pay her bills.

Lena Waithe got that money too. That's Lena Waithe. Waithe. Lena can pay her bills.

Lena Raith.

Lena Waithe is the reason why I met.

Don't give Ty no ideas.

What's the name? The one from Cruel Intentions.

Reese Witherspoon.

Lena Waithe, the Jewish woman, Reese Witherspoon. She's that kind of famous.

Reese Witherspoon smiled like Eve, like a white Eve.

She is a whitey. And also, she was the only white person at the function. We were having a Hillman grad production party. She was the only white person. She showed up with her white husband. They were at the cookout. But back to the point. As somebody who almost went into intimacy coordination, I literally sincerely believe somebody who would cannibalize Shamia, who was a friend and an actress who trusted you in that way in this season, I also don't trust the parameters that you had on set.

But Shamia I don't either I'm going there I'm going there I'm going there What does that say About Shamia though What does that say About Shamia.

Right Nothing about Shamia My people with Todd But this is what I'm saying I don't think Shamia I don't think that Shamia Would even allow herself To be in an unsafe Environment on set Right?

It's not like Shamil would just sit.

Back and allow... How many movies has she done? That's a real question.

Allow that to happen, right?

Movies, how many movies?

Well, how many coochies does she have? It only takes one to know that.

Oh, yeah, we can.

It only takes one to know, like, I don't want my coochie out unless I want my coochie out, right?

So I don't think that.

She was vulnerable for.

He was saying it's art for my movie with AMC. Yeah, it's coochie. I don't think Todd would do that, and I don't think Shamia would allow that. I don't think nothing. She was compromising that way on set.

No, I think we all can agree respectfully.

No, I think all of us agree that respectfully, Todd showing the clip, adding the hospitals of Atlanta to it at this time was wrong.

And then knowing her husband has a problem with that and using that as the promo for the movie, again, makes sense business-wise. But it doesn't make sense as a friend.

Gerald, fight him.

Gerald, fight that man.

It's not compassionate.

Sometimes as producers, we have to use our sensibility.

Can't be all business, right?

No, you got to use your sensibility in terms of like, I don't want to have this woman have this case.

But again, that's why, listen, Todd, I will say this to your face. Like, I just.

think that, I understand as a producer, you're trying to promote this movie, but adding the Housewives of Atlanta clip was wrong.

And in Todd's defense, he did apologize to Shamia.

Yeah, publicly.

And publicly.

But once it's out, the scandal is out.

He got the view.

The scandal is out.

After y'all started calling.

His shit a movie.

Okay.

He did.

Okay. I do want to get into this moment.

I do have a strong feeling we're going to disagree on this like we did last... Is there any more water?

Okay, let me do that now. Okay, get the Saratoga, baby.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

We got money, friend. That's their token, honey.

A little blue bottle. Not blue light. So....

The Black Hawk is all I got.

Conservative freak.

The Black Hawk is.

I'm never going to get invited. Okay, it's all good.

I'll bring you next year.

Ooh.

You would love it.

You would love the Black Caucus.

DC is one of the best places to meet.

It's great for a live show, too.

DC, Howard Theater. I did get a text from Claudia saying, look, and I said, Claudia, you are a hot mess.

Oh, shut up, Claudia.

Oh, Yo, the daggers that just came out of his puss in boots eyes.

Okay.

Cole did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong.

Well, I thought you started this.

He didn't. He's innocent. In case he's, you know, significant others watching. I was at the after party.

Oh my God, we're doing this right now.

It was like New York. It was like, you know.

She really telling it.

She really talking it.

Someone came up to me and they said.

I love.

You keep going.

Yeah, yeah, I am. Listen, you think I have guardrails?

Have we met? What is this show? Have we met?

We're worse live.

Oh my God, we're worse in person.

I love it. He came up to me and said, I love Carlos King. I think he's so beautiful. And he's like, I love him. And I said, what's your Instagram?

And I got his information and I just sent it to Carlos. And I don't know if he's probably not going to do anything with it. But I just want him to know that he has love out here in these streets.

It was nothing more than that. I didn't get his phone number. It was just his IG. Nothing ever happens from an IG.

Nothing.

So Todd did.

This on Instagram.

Do you regret having us all in the same room or you love it here?

You love it here? No, somebody had to comment that Carlos loves sitting next to Claudia.

He's having a good time.

I want to stop patting your nose like CBJ did to Duff.

Oh my God! Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you, baby.

And Mimi's like, fuck. And I'm in the back like, Mimi.

Okay.

So, thank you, Claudia, for all this.

Black Caucus.

Make that a drinking game. Every time you hear Black Caucus this episode.

Okay.

Take a sip.

All right.

Deke. Deke.

Sponsored by Deke. Deke. Deke.

Okay, so.

That's from the T-shirt, by the way.

D-I-Q-E-E. Todd and Kandi are divorced. We know that they had threesomes, right? It's not a surprise. Todd is catching a lot of controversy and strays for mentioning in his trailer when Peter Thomas asked him, if they had threesomes in their marriage, and Todd responded by saying, in most of our marriage, we did. A lot of people feel like Todd is being disrespectful to Kandi. Kandi's team released a statement where Kandi, the statement was on behalf of Kandi, in her defense, I don't know if she approved it, but it was on behalf of her. And I think all of us in media and I want the audience to understand that when things are saying on behalf of Kendi Burris, that could be her.

Publicist, her manager.

She did not post it on her Instagram or her Twitter account, but it did say that Todd is trying to extend support. His five minutes of fame.

She deducted the 10.

She can count.

Money, time, she can count.

Could he be on the next 15 or would you make the next five? Yikes.

Next two and a third.

The next five could be a show.

Is that a movie or a series? Because I want to know what are these words?

People's attention span is a lot shorter now. That's all.

The next five. I want to be corrected. He actually said, thank you, Jesus, girl behavior. He actually said throughout their marriage. Thank you for correcting me.

Look, she said he's trying to extend his five minutes of fame, intimating that, you know, when it comes to her reasoning for divorcing him.

This proves why she had to.

And she did start off the statement by saying that after much heartache that she experienced and how Todd hurt her to her core. And last but not least, mentioned that this was a private moment between them. There's people who think, well, Candy, you told everybody on a show that is the biggest show on Bravo that y'all had threesomes.

Where was Todd's privacy then? Todd did say on the radio show that he didn't like that Candy would talk about that. So starting with you, Dustin, do you think that Todd has a fair assessment of you talked about it first.

I didn't like it.

I'm only answering a question that Peter asked me based on what you put out there already.

No, I felt like when Candy talked about them having threesomes, that was she was speaking for both of them.

And she was protecting the information. I even remember her saying in.

The clip that was shared amongst us, she said, literally, I don't know how much I should share, how much I should tell.

Kandi protected that information. So I want to make, the.

Clip you're talking about was a conversation between her and DJ A1 that was aired months before she filed for divorce.

So this is like 2026.

Yeah.

Or something like that.

And so when Todd talked about it, I think it was post-divorce. Again, we just got through talking about Todd having an understanding of how to sensationalize things to make them appeal to audiences. I think that's what he was doing. It made the edit for the trailer. So that was intentional. And I think it's a clear difference in the two statements.

So I get what people are saying. But again, everybody needs to grow the hell up. People have threesomes. So really, y'all are the ones giving it gas by making.

It like, he said this, he said this, he said this. Okay. You have them too.

Yeah, I don't understand the backlash personally. And I want to hear from you too, because the audience has been waiting a week to hear from you guys.

No pressure.

Okay. You know, yeah, I will say this.

As somebody who has watched every single episode of Atlanta Housewives, obviously I produced nine seasons of it. Kandi has been very open about her sexuality, which has been empowering for her. She's been very open about, you know, being with women out of her own admission. she has been open about having threesomes out of her own admission. I do think what I believe is fair is the fact that Todd saying that, okay, we had threesomes throughout our marriage, I did not take that as a numerology statement in terms of the amounts. I took that as him co-signing that, yes, we had... threesomes throughout our marriage. Candy, the interview me and Dustin referring to, that happened months before she filed

for divorce and she said out of her own mouth that within the last six months they had a threesome and she mentioned people signing NDAs.

So it's something that I agree with Dustin. And when I agree with Dustin, I agree with Dustin in the sense of.

Everything I said.

You know.

That part.

The totality.

That two adults in the same marriage, to me, I thought they said the same thing.

I don't understand this backlash.

Go ahead, Blue.

Oh, light work. Okay. That was a question?

Okay.

So here's the thing. It's no secret what I think of Todd.

What do you think?

I think Mama Joyce was disrespectful, but not inaccurate. And I do think that the scheming that she saw in him, we're now seeing what it looks like. Here's my thing. Something being accurate is completely irrelevant when it comes to weaponizing. In fact, weaponizing accuracy is the best way to be manipulative.

So it being accurate actually means absolutely nothing to me. So that's irrelevant. What's relevant is consent, timing, and intention. When I'm in a relationship, perfect example, if I'm sitting here and I have me a little man friend and I say, you know, sometimes we do fun things on vacation. It is what it is. And you say, well, Blue, how many times? You're like, I don't want to say too much. I don't know how much I want to say, but it's been within the last six months. And I still think that even with an open relationship like this, there's still ways to cheat if you go outside of our covenant. That's very different than you in a car with Patricia that you probably rented talking about, yeah, you know,

all throughout that bitch, we were doing it. Uh-huh. And Patricia's like, oh, I'm innocent.

I'm innocent.

No, you're not.

You broke.

But anyways, like, it's a lot going on. It's a different timing, different intention, lack of consent, and the fact that he's weaponizing her truth. It being true doesn't make it okay to weaponize it. And what I say... coyly, before I'm in a relationship with you, about who I am open sexually, and then say in shades about us in a relationship is very different than you using it as a promo. Because it'd be one thing if you said it in the episode and somebody in the comment section, like we were talking earlier, pulled it out and made a big deal out of it. He chose it for the trailer of his movie, series, Instagram reel, whatever we're going to call it today.

Not Instagram reel.

Right?

Making it part of the trailer tells me everything I need to know about the intention. So yeah, I think he's whack.

So, okay.

So you believe because he put it in the trailer, his intention was to do what exactly?

To leverage her once again to pay his bills. As a woman who knows what it's like to be up while your man is down, you know what it's like when you are choosing. And Claudia, I think we can both agree with this. You know what it's like when you are doing really well at life and you really believe in the person that you're with and he's still in between blessings? And so you give him a layup, right?

Candy knows what it's like to give Todd a layup. Most of what we know about Todd and his relevancy is because of Candy giving him a layup. Now that we're no longer together, you can't keep on going to the bank to make withdrawals like that. And I think she's sick of being took from even after they've separated.

She's like, you broke my heart. I kept the cue for us to raise the kids. And I did my best to give you some sense of dignity because I want my children not to be embarrassed by their father. And you're still trying to put your gourd into the well and take from me. Enough. I think she's tired of being took from.

Claudia.

Again, I agree with a lot that Blue's saying. I think it's a timing thing as well. It's one thing when things are good. Oh, you know, last night on Black Caucus and then say we get in a bad place.

Everybody drinks Black Caucus.

So say we're in a bad place and we fall out, right?

And then you're with them and you're like, you know how she gets down at Black Caucus.

Thank you.

It's like it hits differently than when we were saying it when we were like in a good place.

Right?

And that's where there's a difference. And also.

We're hearing allegedly that she was cheated on. I'll be damned if I gave my man all this rope to have threesomes with me.

And that's consensual.

And then that's still not enough where you still go outside of that and you cheat on me. And I know people that I've never had a threesome. And so that's not my world. But I have friends that are in relationships that do that. And they explain to me how there's still rules on that. And the cheating probably hurts even more when you give all this rope and they still cheat on you. And you're like, damn, I'm not enough. And then a plus one bitch is not enough.

And that's still, like, you still go behind my back. So I think that because of the timing, there's more of a betrayal thing about this than when we were in a good place saying Black Caucus.

Ooh, drink again. Well, I think at this point, listen, there has been this... conversation that a lot of women have been having about men being the new bitches. And the first time I.

You mean me and Claudia on the couch?

Well, you know what's so funny? You don't have to be obtuse.

I'm right here. I think you'll probably remember this too.

The first person in my memory that I heard say this was Toni Braxton. When she talked about this with her ex-husband, the first... Well, she's only been married twice. From Nick Condition.

Yes, Carrie.

The little pretty nigga from Nick Condition, yeah.

Carrie, because she had to pay him alimony.

Oh, yeah.

And she did an interview saying, men are the new bitches.

Just be a man about it was her song, remember?

Yeah, just be a man about it. So the thing is this, there is this conversation. We talk about Peter on my podcast saying that Cynthia.

Cynthia.

Okay.

To Cynthia.

About how Cynthia, he wanted Cynthia to take over his condo. He mentioned how he took Cynthia out to dinner and she said yes at dinner. And then she left to dinner. And when he tried to contact her, she didn't answer the phone. And he was hurt by that. And then, Peter, I love you. 100% of the audience was not on his side.

Mm-hmm.

We know that Ralph is being, Ralph Pittman, Drew Sedora's estranged husband.

From the basement?

The one in the basement who recently got custody.

He's on the ground floor now.

Well, he got the house. He got the house.

Handed him from the ground up.

Look at that.

Started from the bottom, now we're here.

Yeah. Brownstone for the bottom up album.

Shout out to Nikki Gilbert, Dustin's favorite lead singer in Brownstone.

Oh, wow.

So, the thing is.

Are there others?

Wait a minute.

I was there. Side joke. Now, the thing....

My mouth's the bullshit. Okay.

I'm sorry. Me and Dustin have the same kind of tism, y'all.

Okay?

So.

Wait a minute. Okay.

Do you?

I took no tests. I think I'm the test. Who said that? So the thing is this. Why is it that men... Here we go again.

Cancel it.

Someone's going to be mad again.

Why is it. Why is it that some men on reality television Dustin yes cannot.

State how they feel without being called a.

Bitch the way they say it Todd could have had that conversation a totally different way Peter could have kept his mouth closed about personal matters.

Well, things that really aren't even matters.

Because Cynthia got on in the car and went on down the road and said, the hell with all that.

You know, I'm about to go do the trade.

This nigga got me completely fucked up.

You know what I'm saying?

You're a bad bitch.

She's like, I done been married, got a.

Divorce, got a new boyfriend. You're my ex-husband twice removed.

You're not even the best one I had, Leon.

Are you crazy?

What are we saying?

Like, So yeah, it's the way they do it, man. Come on, it's a way you could tell your story without trying to disparage the woman or without sounding like the woman.

You could just tell your story.

Not a woman, a bitch.

Yeah, because I resent when people say they're acting like it's feminine because actually.

The women aren't even doing that anymore.

Yeah, we're real niggas now.

Women are like, we're like manning up now.

Yeah, we're real niggas.

It's not even a thing you can say.

Like when people say, oh, they throw like a girl. They talk like they're being like a girl.

I don't know.

What is this new thing? It's a new subcategory.

Yeah. It's a bitch assness category and I don't subscribe to bitch assness.

Bitch is gender neutral, guys.

Yeah, bitch ass is sure gender neutral.

Yeah, bitch is gender neutral.

But Blue, you are a woman who strongly believes that everybody should have a voice, whether you are male, female, a they, no matter your identity. Why is it that black men, straight black men feel like the moment we state how we feel, it's an issue with women?

I'm also an ego death coach, so I can call the bullshit out.

Okay.

So what you're saying is happening. What's actually happening, there's a disparity there, right? If you are speaking your truth with the intention of creating a bridge between you and others to have further understanding, that is honorable, and I will always defend that, and that's the only thing I defend.

Once you take the truth and shank people with it like a knife, that's no longer honorable. And so I'm never going to tell black men, black dogs, Chinese men, Asian trans people. I'm not going to tell anybody to shank people with the truth and weaponize it.

And so that's bullshit, right?

And what's actually funny is, It's actually really dangerous in a new form of misogyny to flatten the female experience, flatten the woman experience into its lowest, nastiest, most scheming parts, and then cosplay as the worst parts of flattened womanhood. Women are more than being flewed out. We're more than men paying the bills. And here's the thing, too. Women had to do those things back in the day because up until 1974, we couldn't even have our own bank accounts.

So when we did it, it was a response to misogyny. Y'all built that shit. You don't need to respond to it.

You built it.

And so to flatten us down to city girls, uh, and then cosplay as city girls and have us pay the bill, that's whack to me. And that has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. That has nothing to do with therapy speak. And I resent men who weaponize therapy speak and emotional intelligence as a new way to still cause harm to women.

It feels bitch ass.

Did I answer your question?

It does.

Okay.

I think the bitch assness argument, I think there's a difference between a woman just shutting a man down when he expresses himself and saying, oh, you're being a bitch.

You shouldn't have feelings. Men don't cry.

I think that's a big mistake to say men shouldn't cry. I think that's bullshit. I think that's why we have a lot of our problems, right? This is different because it's a category of women. that are all alphas, got their money and put their men on their platform. So it just hits a little bit different when you're kind of biting the hand that kind of fed you. And even though these men had things going on, let's not sit here and act like being on The Real Housewives of Atlanta did not elevate Ralph Pittman, Peter Thomas, and Todd Kerr.

Well, let's not also act like them being married to this man did not elevate their storyline.

But they still got the show without.

That's icing, not cake. You can't eat icing by itself.

But I'm saying, let's call a spade a spade, right?

So, I do agree with you.

The show definitely brought these men notoriety and fame. But again, when I interview Peter Thomas, listen, I.

Know that I'm out here.

You insist on reminding us.

You insist alone.

But I will say, the men that's been on my podcast, I've had Peter Thomas and Apollo.

Mm-hmm.

I'll stick with Peter because he's most recent. Peter did say... And Cordell Stewart said this.

That's not helping.

What a line of winners.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

So many winners on this list. Win, win, win, win. All we do is win, huh?

I'm trying to have your back, man.

I got you.

Two L's make a W, huh, Carlos? Two losers make a W.

I want to be clear when I say this.

I'm on no one's side. I'm here as the moderator to give you guys all sides, right?

Yes, yes.

So....

These straight men who come from Real Housewives, they have said this show inevitably ruined them because they felt like they're now only seen as you're the husband of dot, dot, dot.

You're the ex-husband of dot, dot, dot.

And the reason why they feel like Cordell made a very public statement, and I talked to Porsche about this in our interview.

He said, I'm a Heisman Trophy winner.

Mm-hmm.

And I've been reduced to being introduced as Portia's husband.

In that demographic.

No, no, no.

I know, I know, I know. But these men do feel like I helped these housewives that I was married to get ass back season to season because of our relationship.

And that's true. Okay. But let me get in. That's true.

Okay.

They did help the women's storylines who are the stars. But like, we can interchange the husbands and those girls still have the personality.

Bingo.

Of course, she's still going to have her personality. Nene Leakes is still going to have her personality. You know what I mean? Like, you can put any man.

In their storyline and we're going to still care because the women are the stars. Yes, they did hell.

Agreed.

They're supporting cast. And guess what? Supporting cast members can be replaced.

Right. And they literally were replaced. They got fucking divorced. And the show still went on.

They left the shit out of all of them. Cynthia left the shit out of Peter. Portia left the fuck out of Cordell.

Left them hard.

You know what I'm saying? NeNe and Greg got divorced. You know what I'm saying? Rest in peace to the one and only Greg Leakes. But NeNe divorced Greg.

And it didn't take away from her storyline.

He wasn't there.

And these women continued on the show. So that's always been a really weak argument to me, you know, for them to say that. I've never understood why they... And even if we were to accept that as truth, then what?

I have a question.

So what do you want from that type? What do they want?

Based on what I did listen to Todd's interview on B1 on 3.

Yeah.

Todd feels like.

I did too, by the way.

Yeah. Todd did say at the end of the day, because they did ask him like, what do you want out of this?

He said, I do want my wife back.

Todd.

Well, that's not the way to go.

As a tourist and a chance at hell.

Oh my gosh, she would have pissed on you if you were on fire.

I don't get the Todd Tucker's and the Michael Blackson of the world that have sexy, successful women in their lives that have given you the rope to have other women in your life and still squander that. I don't understand that. Because my brain doesn't work like that.

I'm like, what?

That's still not enough? And then you regret it later because you realize you had one that did hold you down.

And let's say this. Candy, for many, many years, was very quiet and very protective of time.

To the point of even having issues with her own family over it, like having smoke, right? She protected him all those years. So that's when cheating hits even more. Because then you've got to deal with the I told you so's and Mama Joyce is right and it was a scheme. And I'm sure that feels like shit.

I think he enjoyed that. I will say this, and I love this conversation. Carlos, you realize that every single thing you said that those men say that we're supposed to play the world's smallest violin for is what women have been saying for centuries. And so what they're really saying is how dare you put me in the place that I wanted to put you in first. And that's why that argument is bullshit to me. Women for years have helped men build their careers, be the one who helps their storyline by being the pretty trophy on their arm, be the one who supports them on their way up, makes them substantial because they have a family to come back to at home, and they're expected to eat shit and be quiet. And the men are saying, how dare

you do the thing to me that I was allowed to do to you instead?

Drake even had a whole line about it. You wasn't with me shooting in the gym, right?

Women haven't seen that for centuries, so that argument is tired and means nothing to me. That sympathy you feel for them is them projecting what they wish they could do first. It's like when white folks try to use reverse racism.

I would also like to add that the show is called The Real Housewives.

Yeah, not the real niggas.

Not the real niggas of Atlanta.

My thing is.

Like, so what are you even speaking up to.

Have a say in this for? We don't care about how you even feel. This show is called The Real Housewives.

You're her husband. It's a subordinate role in its entirety.

In this show.

How dare you? I'm speaking up.

How do you make a man subordinate?

Hearing that is just wild to me.

Imagine someone bringing you on a show that they're eating off of, and your bookings go up, your quote goes up, you're getting all these things, and at the end, you have all this shit to say. Now, I do think men's feelings matter as well. Y'all's feelings do matter.

They should be able.

To express themselves. My feelings definitely motherfucking matter.

You know what I'm saying? They matter. They matter.

These househusbands' feelings do matter, but again, it's the way you do it.

The way you do it. That's why there was so much respect. For Greg Leaks.

Absolutely.

Because he found a way to, you know, state what he had to say. From what I know of.

No, no.

He probably had... Well, yeah, I don't want to.

I'm going to rewrite that. We remember that radio interview.

You learned the hard way.

You remember that, Carlos? I was actually.

I was there with season three. And this is the reason why, listen, I want to make it very clear. I love this conversation because... Listen, there isn't a Real House Husband who's here to defend himself. And I'm basing my statements based on conversations I have with these guys on my podcast.

Fraudulent masculinity, by the way. The next time they say that, tell them that they're fraudulent masculinity. Their slip is showing.

Okay, but the thing is... Okay, okay. But to what Dustin is saying, season three of The Real Housewives of Atlanta... I mean, by that point, NeNe Leakes was the biggest reality star in the world. And their lives changed overnight. Greg, unfortunately, was being recorded where he thought he was having a private conversation with a friend. And he said things like, you know, rest in peace, Greg. He just said things like, I made her. I invested all this money, blah, blah, blah, blah.

300,000.

Yes. And Nene was devastated.

And I had to be there that moment. Nene took off her eyelashes. You know, that's in the kitchen.

And she was devastated.

And the next season, they divorced. And Greg had to win her back. And one thing that he said through therapy is, And I will never forget this. And I think maybe the reason why I do, I will admit, I do have a little, not a little, I'm not going to denounce it. I do have sympathy for these men who joined the show because I think it's easy to say, yeah, but you're the husband of, right? I think based on what Greg Leakes experienced early on in our conversation, he just felt like, What is my identity outside of this? And I think because we do live in a patriarchal world, right?

Where men were raised, and especially Greg's generation, especially his generation.

It should be him.

Right?

Where I'm the breadwinner and I help you.

Yep.

And when the roles are reversed, I do want to know to the four men watching on Monday Night Live. Oh my God, here we go.

You know, that we saw in the audience last night.

I do think there is a conversation that needs to be had with straight men being like, what is it like being married to a Kandi Burris?

To a NeNe Leakes? To a Cynthia.

You know, what is that like? So I understand that.

Man, Carlos.

I understand.

No, no.

I understand that, yes, there's a lot of privilege there. But I think when you are raised to be the man to provide, what is that like when you feel like, I don't have a voice anymore because the public doesn't want it.

So to me if you are a person who governs yourself that way if you're a man that has those sorts of thoughts and feelings those sort of perspectives on relationships and who's doing what that should motivate you to be up so high That your woman can be just as high and as successful as she wants to and it won't affect your ego. If that's the case and that's how you find your self-worth, then you should be that driven in your career to where you're.

Satisfied. Your ego is satisfied. You know what I'm saying? I'm happy you said that.

You're not looking for that from her. To me, that would be the only way to hold fast to those types of views.

It's quite literally the only.

You know what Carlos said?

He said therapy, right? Here's the thing. If you are a man, I'm going to keep on saying this because just because something is sympathetic doesn't mean it's right. And if you are a man whose entire identity falls apart, if you cannot rely on the privilege of patriarchy, that has nothing to do with your wife. What you're saying is you feel bad for men who can't benefit from patriarchy in the way that they thought they were promised.

I'm never going to have sympathy for that. I understand why you do. But as somebody who does the work that I do, that means they need an ego death. That means the part of you that needs to be superior to her in order for you to be a man.

Is already weak.

That's already a weak stance to have to begin with. There's something in you that was broken before she got there and will be broken with your next wife. Because there will be another one, right? Because women like that tend to leave men like you. And so what has to happen is, like what happened with Greg is, you have to go to therapy to realize you thought your heart was breaking the entire time your ego was just dying.

So the woman has no fault in this.

It's not about fault.

It's about responsibility. No, I don't think so.

So the answer, I will answer that. I will answer that directly.

Because the thing is this. Because listen.

I will answer that.

I do believe. Responsibility. Thank you.

I do believe that there's a responsibility that women should have when it comes to making sure that their man feels valued. And Kandi did that.

And look what happened.

I'm not saying she didn't.

Right, you're just talking about women in general.

I'm talking about women in general. I do think, one thing Todd did say, he said, I have lived my life under her shadows for so long, and now that I'm out of it, I'm just living my life, right?

And I'm not saying he's right or she's wrong. I'm not saying that.

But what I am saying is, I do feel like it's a lot of men, men, men, men, men, and what I haven't heard yet is, we are all imperfect people. You mean to tell me that these women, and I'm not talking about anyone specifically, because I wasn't in their marriage, right? I do believe strongly that when it comes to successful women who are married to men that make less than them, that are more famous than them, I do feel like there needs to be some sort of responsibility to them that they must do better when it comes to making sure your man feels like he's still a man. Pause, pause, pause.

You guys, he asked me a question. I would like to just land this, because he was looking directly at me. And I want to address it directly because there's a real answer because that was a great moment. And there's also a very clear answer. It's not actually a mysterious answer. The direct answer is people have to be responsible for themselves.

Statistically speaking, women already are the breadwinners. So this whole patriarchy thing is a facade that we put up for men's egos. Any woman who's a strong woman, I'm included, Claudia's included, we understand this. We all know to play the game about how to stroke your man and make sure that he feels like a man, even if you're the one who can pay the tab, technically speaking, right?

That's the thing that women have actually mastered. The issue with all the women in this situation, whether it was Nene or Candy or anybody else, most women in their position do their best to uphold their man's dignity when it comes to their family, when it comes to their children, when it even comes to the audience. What ends up happening is, as a woman who's dated men not for money, When I date men who don't make as much money as me, no matter how much of that I do, and I do it a lot, if a man doesn't respect him, he won't respect you for doing it either.

Because if a man doesn't like himself, he will always find a way to sabotage the relationship. So the real answer is, even if I did everything you said, the work still has to come from you. It's not my fault or your fault. It's your responsibility. Nobody can fill that hole in you. And so a lot of men are so busy feeling sympathetic to themselves, like, I feel bad because I lived in her shadow. And the thing is, if she was in your position, women for centuries have figured out how to figure out how to still have their own lives outside of their partners, even when they're in a shadow. Todd needs to go to therapy. Greg had to go to therapy. Ralph had to go to therapy.

And if you spend all your time worrying about what's not her fault, and I will also say this, a lot of you believe that all women who make a lot of money are ball busters. And that's actually not the truth.

I agree with that.

That's a fallacy of patriarchy.

I agree with that.

Most of us will actually bring up, we're submissive breadwinners.

We'll give you the big piece of chicken.

I want to know what you think that looks like. Yeah, what does that look like? Oh, easily.

Because Kenny did it, child.

I'm going to have Claudia go first, and then I'll answer your question after her.

I've been in this situation a couple of times and yeah, like where the man makes less. And I was very conscious of how I'm allowing people to treat him and how I was in my mind, like being overly concerned with not emasculating him and making sure he doesn't feel emasculated. So I agree with some of the stuff you're saying.

I agree with a lot of what all y'all saying, but like being in that space, right? I would try extra hard to like not ever let him be in a place where he would.

Ever get embarrassed.

Like say my car is better than his and we take my car. I give him the keys so he can look like he's driving the car and it's his shit. And I'm like, that's my shit. We're not doing that. That's a surface thing I'm saying, right? That's just an example, right? I would be, I would always have to be thinking about not like just being so aware of people not disrespecting my man. Cause sometimes a richer man sees you with a guy that they know is blue collar or whatever.

They'll try it. And it is a lot of work. And I will say I didn't mind doing that because I love the person.

Right.

I think there's a difference between women that, um, actively emasculate their men, yes, there is a responsibility on those women.

They should not do that.

And there have been examples on that show of women who I think who have done that. And I think you're right about that. And I think that's fucked up. I don't think a man or a woman should do that to their partner. It's your job to protect your partner. You're right about that. I do agree with that.

But in my case, and probably Blue can agree with this.

You're the norm.

That's the thing. She's the norm.

But I think the beautiful thing that I love that she said is she can also admit that I had to get it right. Yeah, I did.

Because I had to really think about it. Things that you think is no big deal because you're operating in your boss space, I had to be a little bit extra conscious.

And aware of the situation. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. And some men, no.

Matter what you do and how much you go out of your way to make sure everything's right, if they're not right within, like what she's saying, they will resent you for it later on and they will blame you. You know, like I remember being with the one guy that lost his job and I did all the things, like I tried to be the crutch and the cover and provide cover for him. And at the end of the day, I got dropped over that, really, because he didn't feel good about himself. He did not like me trying to help him.

Exactly. Listen, you do not get away with it.

We care about men's dignity. The thing is, no matter how much we care, you still have to do the work.

No, I know, but I also think, in all fairness, women also have to do the work, though.

Absolutely.

Did you hear the word she had, Marge? It's a lot of work. And to answer Dustin's question, my example would be this.

I'm not going to sit up here and spill anyone's tea. One of the beautiful things about my privilege of being a producer is is I worked on shows where women were the stars, the breadwinners, et cetera. And I have seen women emasculate these men. They're toxic. I have seen it.

And I don't like that.

And they're not all women.

In all fairness, you've seen it. And they're not all women.

Yes.

I've seen it.

And they're wrong as hell for that.

They're wrong as hell.

I know, but let's have a conversation. We all agree that they're wrong as hell, right?

Yeah.

God forbid, though, these men then go on the platform to talk about it.

He's a bitch.

If he weaponizes it, he's a bitch.

You can't weaponize your truth. Yes, you can, actually.

No, no, no.

I mean, I mean, I mean. That's the best thing to weaponize. I mean, I do agree.

When you said that, I actually like that smart.

Some people do have the intention of weaponizing the truth, but all men do not have the intention of weaponizing the truth. Of course not. When I look at Todd Tucker, for example, so we're talking about him. I think Todd is hurting. I think Todd is sad.

Me too.

I think we have to look at it that Todd doesn't have his mother anymore.

Mm-hmm.

Okay?

He doesn't. Todd has no one.

Mm-hmm.

He has nobody. I'm not trying to get sympathy for Todd. No, he's a human being.

He can have sympathy.

When I look at what Todd is doing, I see a man who is lost without candy. Whose actions are those, though?

He's free-falling a little bit.

I see a man who's trying to.

I see a man who's trying to pick up the pieces of what my life is post-Candy. Because for the past 12 years, all he knows is his life with. He knew who he was pre-her.

Yep. Okay?

And I think what Todd is doing that a lot of men do resonate with is, what was my life like before you? We talked about the Beyonce-Jay-Z situation when Beyonce talked about, courtesy of Lemonade, what happened to her marriage. Halle Berry, Eric Benet.

What?

You?

Beyonce? Halle Berry? They're still people. They're still just people. Because they're human and they're imperfect.

My thing is this.

We are living in a world where Black women are the largest entrepreneurial group in the world and they deserve it and they work hard for it.

Okay? I want a Black female president.

Me too.

My doctor is a Black woman.

Okay? That's right.

The woman who runs my company is a Black woman.

Okay?

I have Black women surrounding me because they make me a better human okay even within that even within that I can also see okay babe And K says, you kind of, you know, coming down your man and emasculating him. And my last point would be this. I did an interview with Mona Scott Young. And Mona Scott Young is a multi-gazillionaire. And Mona's so rich, y'all.

Are you hanging around thinking about how rich Mona is?

Oh, my God.

I think the hickey got bigger.

Mona, man.

I've had a missy since day one, Claudia.

My fellow Haitian sis.

That's all I gotta say. If Mona had no other clients, just know Mona did two things. She managed Missy since day one and still does. And Mona was a part of the violator with 50 Cent, Spiderman.

And we also have the same politics on men, ironically.

And she's your big Haitian sis.

Okay.

I did an interview with Mona Sky Young.

I know what you're about to say.

I do too.

Because I agree with Mona. That's why it's funny. And I said, how does your husband... take you being the breadwinner. And she said, what are you talking about? And I said, well, you know, like your husband stays, stood home all those years to take care of the kids while you're out there working.

She said, who told you that?

She said, let me tell you something about Sean.

My husband.

Okay.

It's we.

It's us.

This is our company. It's not mine.

She said, everything I do is a we. The conversations, the deals, he's included. She said, the difference that you don't get, right, is I may be the front-facing person. But what we're not going to do is not give this man the props for being a part of everything I've done. He allows me to do that. He's the one who said, I'll take care of the kids. You go out there and work. She said, I get offended when people call me Mona Scott. She said, bitch, add back young. You're not going to disrespect my husband. She said, so thank you for the question. And it's not for you, this energy I have. She said, but I need the world to know that just because I'm seen as Mona Scott Young... we're never going to negate what Sean Young

did for me and what he continues to do for me and what he continues to do for us. And in that moment, I said to myself, I do wish more women, when given the opportunity, can do that.

If you're a woman that is the financial red winner, the front facing person, you definitely do need to be on that type of energy.

You should.

And I highly recommend it because once you start letting interviewers, people in the public, the social media, disrespect your dude, it becomes a thing. And then that creates a problem at home.

And that's why with Todd, the situation, we're going to move on to love and marriage.

By the way, you just came.

To my point though. The irony is you just agreed with me after all that, that, that debate. Oh yeah. No, we actually agree a hundred percent because here's the thing that, that is being missed here. Mona is the statistical norm, but because you're in a space where you are dealing with a vocal minority and And so the vocal minority feels like a much larger majority to you. The average woman moves more like Mona than what you're used to.

You're in rarefied air. So you're seeing a woman that is actually not the norm, but you're seeing her.

More because you're a producer. Yes?

No air quotes like a movie.

No air quotes. He's a real producer.

As a producer, you're seeing a vocal minority that is toxic. The average woman, I believe like Mona.

But here's the thing.

If Mona's husband sabotaged the relationship and was free-falling, Mona didn't do that to him. So every time we're talking about Todd and you bring it back to the woman, that's where the conversation gets lost because he had it. And to me and Claudia's point, he didn't think he deserved it and he sabotaged it. The only person who has to work with on that is Todd. The man who sabotages that is the only person who's at.

Fault for that.

Let's also be clear when we talk about what Mona said. Mona didn't say... I want everybody to respect my husband who's at home.

Not doing nothing.

Mona was like, no, actually my husband is an integral part of my company.

Amen.

He worked and earned the respect that she demands for him.

So that's totally different than someone being upset because they're not getting a piece of the pie of the fandom that these housewives get. And further to my point, Mona's husband ain't said shit. Even after her saying that, we still ain't never heard nothing from him. He's not seeking validation from Mona's celebrity.

Amen.

And I think that's what the difference is.

Okay.

All right.

That felt good.

Okay, Oprah. How do you feel, Carlos?

How do you feel?

I love this conversation.

By the way.

I can talk about this for another two hours.

Same. Do we have it?

No, we do not.

Look at Claudia. You know what? There's a healing in this.

Because I think because of the work that you do and you hold space for so many people who are powerful but have blind spots, I think me and Claudia are reminding you, even Dust is reminding you, in the real world where everybody's not so rich and famous... we're actually doing the thing that you're seeking.

It's actually happening.

Yeah, no, I agree with that.

And that's why for me, my lens, and I want to be very clear on this, the lens in which I speak was solely on the reality space because we're talking about Todd, Peter, and Ralph. But hey, Raindrops, we will see you guys next Monday.

I love you all. Give it up for Blue, Claudia, and Dustin.

Yeah, we love y'all. We love y'all, Raindrops.

We did it, loves.

We did it!

Live, too.

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